Re: User Agent location
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:09:12 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: »Q«: FWIW, my useflags for thunar are dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev -xfce_plugins_trash. I have duplicated this Calculating dependencies... done! [...] [ebuild N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0 USE=dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev XFCE_PLUGINS=-trash Emerging thunar would still get me 14 new packages i do not want. I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker. I'm sorry, I gave bad info. With the dbus flag, thunar does still pull in gvfs, and I still had gvfs. I don't actually use thunar, so now I've uninstalled both thunar and gvfs. SeaMonkey still opens dolphin as the file manager. I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker. Not the *picker* -- SM can only use the gtk picker or the Mozilla one. But I do have SM using the file *manager* that I want, to open directories either from the download manager or about:support. All of this has much to do with Gentoo but little with SeaMonkey and i believe we should stop discussing this on mozilla.support.seamonkey. ;) I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, if you want to take it there. But now I don't even know if there's anything else to explore about this. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
»Q«: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:09:12 +0200 Emerging thunar would still get me 14 new packages i do not want. I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker. I'm sorry, I gave bad info. With the dbus flag, thunar does still pull in gvfs, and I still had gvfs. With -dbus -xfce_plugins_trash installation of thunar is bearable. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/th120810.png (32 KB) I don't actually use thunar, so now I've uninstalled both thunar and gvfs. SeaMonkey still opens dolphin as the file manager. So gvfs is expendable. But dolphin is out of the question. That would result in 'Total: 78 packages (74 new, 2 in new slots, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 320,255 kB'. *g* I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker. Not the *picker* -- SM can only use the gtk picker or the Mozilla one. But I do have SM using the file *manager* that I want, to open directories either from the download manager or about:support. My thunar is not used by either. That may be because i do not use any desktop environment. thunar settings fails with hafi@i5_64 ~ $ thunar-settings Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files Maybe inter alia the revenge for emerging thunar with -dbus. ;) hafi@i5_64 ~ $ cat ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc TerminalEmulator=Terminal MailReader=sylpheed-claws FileManager=custom-FileManager hafi@i5_64 ~ $ cat ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/custom-FileManager.desktop custom-FileManager.desktop [Desktop Entry] NoDisplay=true Version=1.0 Encoding=UTF-8 Type=X-XFCE-Helper X-XFCE-Category=FileManager X-XFCE-CommandsWithParameter=thunar %s Icon=thunar Name=thunar X-XFCE-Commands=thunar I do not have sylpheed-claws and TerminalEmulator should probably be xterm, but thunar-settings points to another problem. All of this has much to do with Gentoo but little with SeaMonkey and i believe we should stop discussing this on mozilla.support.seamonkey. ;) I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, Well so far nobody has complained. if you want to take it there. But now I don't even know if there's anything else to explore about this. You could suggest what i should do so that about:support works with thunar. :-D Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Hartmut Figge wrote: I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, Well so far nobody has complained. I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words? are completely meaningless to me : thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*, gtk, picker, How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them, I am forced to ask ... Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Philip TAYLOR: Hartmut Figge wrote: I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, Well so far nobody has complained. I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words? are completely meaningless to me : thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*, gtk, picker, You do have a point. 'filepicker' btw. 'picker' belongs to all SMs, the rest to Linux. You are using Win, so there is no need for you to know the others. But, SM is not *only* used on Win. ;) How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them, I am forced to ask ... The problem discussed is 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory' under about:support. That works for Win, but not for Linux. So it is necessary to involve Linux. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Hartmut Figge wrote: Philip TAYLOR: Hartmut Figge wrote: I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, Well so far nobody has complained. I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words? are completely meaningless to me : thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*, gtk, picker, You do have a point. 'filepicker' btw. 'picker' belongs to all SMs, the rest to Linux. You are using Win, so there is no need for you to know the others. But, SM is not *only* used on Win. ;) How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them, I am forced to ask ... The problem discussed is 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory' under about:support. That works for Win, but not for Linux. So it is necessary to involve Linux. Hartmut All well and good, but shouldn't this have been under a new, Linux-only topic? It is only tangentially related to User Agent Location, and might be better understood to be about Open Directory Under Linux, wouldn't it? Larry S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:31:00 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: »Q«: My thunar is not used by either. That may be because i do not use any desktop environment. thunar settings fails with hafi@i5_64 ~ $ thunar-settings Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files Maybe inter alia the revenge for emerging thunar with -dbus. ;) I think you're right. I just reinstalled thunar with -dbus and now when I run xfce4-settings-manager and try to select the file manager module, I too get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files. Uninstalling thunar makes the file manager module disappear, which at least avoids the error. Since creating those config files didn't work for you, there must be some magic running to make it work for me. I suspect now that at the least, getting SeaMonkey to open a file manager requires dbus and a dbus-enabled manager. I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read mozilla.general as well, Well so far nobody has complained. Once you bring up the idea of complaining, it's guaranteed to start. ;) if you want to take it there. But now I don't even know if there's anything else to explore about this. You could suggest what i should do so that about:support works with thunar. :-D My best suggestion now is to wait for bug 680798. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[linux - bug 680798] was: Re: User Agent location
Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread. NoOp: On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) Works for me: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 The above works for you? It has not for me ever. I am now getting |Timestamp: 08.08.2012 00:42:34 |Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 |(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] |Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js |Line: 555 in the error console for 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/2012080719 SeaMonkey/2.14a1-h' And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798 Hartmut At first I thought that the error might be 64bit related, but after multiple tests between 32bit and 64bit I' stumped. Here are my results (feel free to copy them to the bug report): Firefox - Ubuntu 12.04 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:36:55 PM Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] nsresult: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) location: JS frame :: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js :: openProfileDirectory :: line 469 data: no] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:49:25 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725 Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:43:45 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 Firefox - 11.04 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1 No Errors - works. SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 No Errors - works. SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04 - Clean test profile: No Errors - works. SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04 using the ~/.mozilla/seamonkey folder from the 11.04 install User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725 Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12 Build identifier: 20120725204016 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:44:44 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:49:51 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1 No errors - works. SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1 Build identifier: 20120810003003 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 555 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:26:40 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 Note: same with safe mode and a clean 'test' profile. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120801 Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12 (b3) Build identifier: 20120801223740 Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:40:24 PM Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js Line: 525 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [linux - bug 680798] was: Re: User Agent location
On 08/10/2012 03:50 PM, NoOp wrote: Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread. ... Well I _thought_ I was starting a new there... apologies I'll try again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 02:12:48 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: I have asked my Gentoo about thunar. Emerging this would give me also gvfs, the 'GNOME Virtual Filesystem Layer'. If you disable the udev useflag for thunar, the ebuild won't pull in gvfs. I just noticed that my thunar is built with -udev, and it still worked with SeaMonkey. I don't know if simply emerging thunar will make SeaMonkey use it, but it might be worth a try. FWIW, my useflags for thunar are dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev -xfce_plugins_trash. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
»Q«: If you disable the udev useflag for thunar, the ebuild won't pull in gvfs. Well, no. Perhaps because i am using stable. USE=-udev prevents gudev, will pull in gvfs and this requires USE=-cdda because of The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied: cdda? ( udev ) I just noticed that my thunar is built with -udev, and it still worked with SeaMonkey. I don't know if simply emerging thunar will make SeaMonkey use it, but it might be worth a try. I suspect that gvfs is part of the reason why thunar works for your SM. FWIW, my useflags for thunar are dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev -xfce_plugins_trash. I have duplicated this Calculating dependencies... done! [...] [ebuild N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0 USE=dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev XFCE_PLUGINS=-trash Emerging thunar would still get me 14 new packages i do not want. I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker. All of this has much to do with Gentoo but little with SeaMonkey and i believe we should stop discussing this on mozilla.support.seamonkey. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Daniel wrote: Philip, have a look at Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings, and select Server Settings for your Email account. On the bottom right, it shows Local directorythis is the location of your profile, so is the location of your prefs.js file and should be the location for any future user.js file. Agreed, this does indeed tally with the location of my profile. But is this sufficiently reliable that we could recommend this route to everyone ? As the local directory can be specified using the browse button, would it not be possible for someone to select a root for other than their profile location for their mail directory ? It seems to me that the alternative (via Help / Troubleshooting) should work in all cases, whereas the mail directory location could fail in some circumstances. Philip Taylor I would suspect that if you used the Browse button to select a different location, SM would expect to find a profile structure at this different location!! If you wanted to locate your profile somewhere else, you would select Tools-Switch Profiles-Manage Profiles-Create Profile and tell it where you want your new profile!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:45:40 +0800 Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:22:17 -0500, »Q« wrote: But I don't understand why SeaMonkey would be using the XFCE setting when I'm running a KDE session. (And I confirmed, using xfce4-settings-manager to change the file manager does result in SeaMonkey using whatever I select.) SeaMonkey doesn't know anything about KDE. As I understand it, SeaMonkey will first try using the Gnome settings, if that fails it then falls back to XFCE if available and if that fails, it gives up. That makes sense. If it reads the XFCE settings directly from the XFCE config files, maybe just creating the files will work for people who don't have XFCE. As far as I can tell from grepping dotfiles, there are two that were modified or created by xfce4-settings-manager: $ cat ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc TerminalEmulator=Terminal MailReader=sylpheed-claws FileManager=custom-FileManager $ cat ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/custom-FileManager.desktop [Desktop Entry] NoDisplay=true Version=1.0 Encoding=UTF-8 Type=X-XFCE-Helper X-XFCE-Category=FileManager X-XFCE-CommandsWithParameter=dolphin %s Icon=dolphin Name=dolphin X-XFCE-Commands=dolphin ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Philip TAYLOR wrote: NFN Smith wrote: It's the same directory as your user profile. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I still don't know where that might be. I have tried about:profile and got nothing; I have looked in all the obvious places in Edit/Preferences, and I still have no idea where my profile is stored. Is there a single file, with a reasonably unique name, that is stored in my user profile directory and for which I can search ? Tools / Switch profile allows me to launch the Profile manager, but not even that is prepared to disclose where my profile is stored. Philip Taylor Philip, have a look at Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings, and select Server Settings for your Email account. On the bottom right, it shows Local directorythis is the location of your profile, so is the location of your prefs.js file and should be the location for any future user.js file. HTH -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Hartmut Figge wrote: Jay Garcia: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) And there is an article on mozillazine about the user.js. http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Hartmut Hartmut, this does not work on Linux, so I discovered a couple of weeks ago, and just confirmed now!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Daniel: Hartmut Figge wrote: And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) Hartmut, this does not work on Linux, so I discovered a couple of weeks ago, and just confirmed now!! I know and there exists already a bug for this. But Philip uses Win. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Hartmut Figge wrote: Daniel: Hartmut Figge wrote: And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) Hartmut, this does not work on Linux, so I discovered a couple of weeks ago, and just confirmed now!! I know and there exists already a bug for this. But Philip uses Win. ;) Hartmut After posting, I realised I was preaching to the converted!! I had read your last line as Does *this* work on Linux, though *?* , hence my reply!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Jay Garcia: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) And there is an article on mozillazine about the user.js. http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Hartmut Works for me: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Daniel wrote: Philip, have a look at Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings, and select Server Settings for your Email account. On the bottom right, it shows Local directorythis is the location of your profile, so is the location of your prefs.js file and should be the location for any future user.js file. Agreed, this does indeed tally with the location of my profile. But is this sufficiently reliable that we could recommend this route to everyone ? As the local directory can be specified using the browse button, would it not be possible for someone to select a root for other than their profile location for their mail directory ? It seems to me that the alternative (via Help / Troubleshooting) should work in all cases, whereas the mail directory location could fail in some circumstances. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
NoOp: On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) Works for me: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 The above works for you? It has not for me ever. I am now getting |Timestamp: 08.08.2012 00:42:34 |Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 |(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] |Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js |Line: 555 in the error console for 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/2012080719 SeaMonkey/2.14a1-h' And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798 Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:46:24 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: NoOp: On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) Works for me: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11 The above works for you? It has not for me ever. I am now getting |Timestamp: 08.08.2012 00:42:34 |Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 |(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal] |Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js |Line: 555 in the error console for 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/2012080719 SeaMonkey/2.14a1-h' And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798 It works for me, using a Gentoo x86_64 build of SeaMonkey 2.11. But like other Mozilla apps, it opens thunar, no matter how I have set a file:/// handler or how I have toggled the ui.allow_platform_file_picker pref. (Opening directories from the download manager also gets me thunar no matter what I try.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
»Q«: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:46:24 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798 It works for me, using a Gentoo x86_64 build of SeaMonkey 2.11. Hm. But like other Mozilla apps, it opens thunar, no matter how I have set a file:/// handler or how I have toggled the ui.allow_platform_file_picker pref. (Opening directories from the download manager also gets me thunar no matter what I try.) I am using - user.js - user_pref(ui.allow_platform_file_picker, false); --- since this pref was introduced. I do not like the gnome?/gtk? file-picker at all. *g* I have asked my Gentoo about thunar. Emerging this would give me also gvfs, the 'GNOME Virtual Filesystem Layer'. But trying gvfs requires gudev and would also give me several other packages i do not wish to install. So it is better to remain lazy. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 02:12:48 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: »Q«: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:46:24 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798 It works for me, using a Gentoo x86_64 build of SeaMonkey 2.11. Hm. But like other Mozilla apps, it opens thunar, no matter how I have set a file:/// handler or how I have toggled the ui.allow_platform_file_picker pref. (Opening directories from the download manager also gets me thunar no matter what I try.) I am using - user.js - user_pref(ui.allow_platform_file_picker, false); --- since this pref was introduced. I do not like the gnome?/gtk? file-picker at all. *g* I hate that file picker too, but not as much as I hate the Mozilla one. ;) I have asked my Gentoo about thunar. Emerging this would give me also gvfs, the 'GNOME Virtual Filesystem Layer'. But trying gvfs requires gudev and would also give me several other packages i do not wish to install. So it is better to remain lazy. :) I mainly use KDE, but I also have XFCE installed, which is how I got Thunar. (I do wish it didn't pull in that GNOME stuff, but I live with it.) I just uninstalled Thunar to see what would happen. To my surprise, when I tried Open Directory from about:support I was prompted to select a file manager for XFCE. I selected Dolphin. Now all the Mozilla apps use Dolphin, both from about:support and from the downloads manager. That's what I wanted all along, so I'm happy. But I don't understand why SeaMonkey would be using the XFCE setting when I'm running a KDE session. (And I confirmed, using xfce4-settings-manager to change the file manager does result in SeaMonkey using whatever I select.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:22:17 -0500, »Q« wrote: But I don't understand why SeaMonkey would be using the XFCE setting when I'm running a KDE session. (And I confirmed, using xfce4-settings-manager to change the file manager does result in SeaMonkey using whatever I select.) SeaMonkey doesn't know anything about KDE. As I understand it, SeaMonkey will first try using the Gnome settings, if that fails it then falls back to XFCE if available and if that fails, it gives up. Also see: Bug 528701 - allow KDE filepicker to be used in Gtk2 widget https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528701 [WONTFIX] Bug 298848 - Use native KDE Filepicker because more features https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298848 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 06.08.2012 14:24, Stan wrote: --- Original Message --- Is the User Agent value in about:config? If so, what is it named? How often, if ever, does it need changing? Thanks Stan No, it isn't. Click on Help = About Seamonkey, it's the last line: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 And there is no need to change it unless instructed to do so by someone in support if needed. -- Jay Garcia - www.ufaq.org - Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/ Mozilla Mozillian Member - www.mozillians.org Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Stan wrote: Is the User Agent value in about:config? If so, what is it named? How often, if ever, does it need changing? I don't remember where, specifically, it's set. It's been a long time since I *needed* to change the user agent setting to get a site to work correctly. I forget the specific version of SeaMonkey, but I think it was about the time last year that Mozilla went to Rapid Release with Firefox and Thunderbird, the Seamonkey developers decided to adjust the default user agent string to spoof Thunderbird in a way that most browser sniffers will recognize. If you really want to adjust your user agent settings, there's a couple of extensions out there that can do it. I use PrefBar, but these days, I mostly use PrefBar for other tweaks, rather than having to worry about user agent. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 06.08.2012 15:01, NFN Smith wrote: --- Original Message --- Stan wrote: Is the User Agent value in about:config? If so, what is it named? How often, if ever, does it need changing? I don't remember where, specifically, it's set. It's been a long time since I *needed* to change the user agent setting to get a site to work correctly. I forget the specific version of SeaMonkey, but I think it was about the time last year that Mozilla went to Rapid Release with Firefox and Thunderbird, the Seamonkey developers decided to adjust the default user agent string to spoof Thunderbird in a way that most browser sniffers will recognize. If you really want to adjust your user agent settings, there's a couple of extensions out there that can do it. I use PrefBar, but these days, I mostly use PrefBar for other tweaks, rather than having to worry about user agent. Smith It can be done by an extension. Otherwise, you can edit prefs.js OR better yet, is to create a user.js file and set the UA there which will auto-migrate it to prefs.js. -- Jay Garcia - www.ufaq.org - Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/ Mozilla Mozillian Member - www.mozillians.org Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Jay Garcia wrote: It can be done by an extension. Otherwise, you can edit prefs.js OR better yet, is to create a user.js file and set the UA there which will auto-migrate it to prefs.js. How does one predict the directory in which Seamonkey will look for a user.js file, and is there documentation describing what may appear in a user.js file and the syntax thereof ? Searching for user.js in Seamonkey Help yields [No matching items found.] Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 8/6/12 12:24 PM, Stan wrote: Is the User Agent value in about:config? If so, what is it named? How often, if ever, does it need changing? Thanks Stan In about:config, pieces are scattered among a few preference variables. Normally, it is automatically changed whenever you update SeaMonkey. Otherwise, it only needs to be updated when a poorly written Web site has invalid UA sniffing. See my http://www.rossde.com/internet/sniffing.html for further information about invalid sniffing and how to defeat it. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: It can be done by an extension. Otherwise, you can edit prefs.js OR better yet, is to create a user.js file and set the UA there which will auto-migrate it to prefs.js. How does one predict the directory in which Seamonkey will look for a user.js file, and is there documentation describing what may appear in a user.js file and the syntax thereof ? It's the same directory as your user profile. If I remember correctly, the contents of user.js override what's in prefs.js. Thus, if you save something in a user.js file, then no matter what you do with a prefs.js file, whether direct edit, or updating via about:conf, you get the setting in prefs.js. At least that's the way it used to work. I haven't dug into that area recently, and I'm not familiar with the auto-migrate to prefs.js that Jay mentioned. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
NFN Smith wrote: It's the same directory as your user profile. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I still don't know where that might be. I have tried about:profile and got nothing; I have looked in all the obvious places in Edit/Preferences, and I still have no idea where my profile is stored. Is there a single file, with a reasonably unique name, that is stored in my user profile directory and for which I can search ? Tools / Switch profile allows me to launch the Profile manager, but not even that is prepared to disclose where my profile is stored. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 06.08.2012 18:18, Philip TAYLOR wrote: --- Original Message --- NFN Smith wrote: It's the same directory as your user profile. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I still don't know where that might be. I have tried about:profile and got nothing; I have looked in all the obvious places in Edit/Preferences, and I still have no idea where my profile is stored. Is there a single file, with a reasonably unique name, that is stored in my user profile directory and for which I can search ? Tools / Switch profile allows me to launch the Profile manager, but not even that is prepared to disclose where my profile is stored. Philip Taylor user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. -- Jay Garcia - www.ufaq.org - Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/ Mozilla Mozillian Member - www.mozillians.org Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Jay Garcia: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help-Troubleshooting Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Does not work on Linux, though. ;) And there is an article on mozillazine about the user.js. http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 8/6/12 4:18 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: NFN Smith wrote: It's the same directory as your user profile. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I still don't know where that might be. I have tried about:profile and got nothing; I have looked in all the obvious places in Edit/Preferences, and I still have no idea where my profile is stored. Is there a single file, with a reasonably unique name, that is stored in my user profile directory and for which I can search ? Tools / Switch profile allows me to launch the Profile manager, but not even that is prepared to disclose where my profile is stored. Philip Taylor On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Help Troubleshooting Information]. The 4th line under Application Basics is Application Basics with a button labeled Show Folder. Select that button. It opens the window for your current profile. DO NOT EDIT prefs.js. Only edit user.js, which overrides prefs.js when SeaMonkey is first launched. That is, if SeaMonkey is already running, changes to user.js become effective only when you terminate and then relaunch SeaMonkey. Alternatively, you may make changes via about:config. You enter about:config (without the quote marks) in the address area (URI bar) in SeaMonkey. Changes there become effective immediately. The difference between user.js and about:config is that you can insert comments into the former to remind you why you entered a particular setting. You cannot annotate about:config, which is why I generally use user.js and discuss it first. This discussion started with a question about setting the UA string. To override the default, the preference variable is general.useragent.override Unless you set it to a non-standard value, you will NOT see this via about:config. Some final warnings: Some preferences require more than a single preference variable, and some require some housekeeping when they are changed. Thus, you should first resort to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar before using user.js or about:config. If the setting you want cannot be accessed that way -- and changing the UA string cannot -- you might then consider using a well-tested, much-used extension instead of user.js or about:config. Two such extensions for changing the UA string are PrefBar (my preferred) or UserAgentSwitcher. On the other hand, if you merely want to defeat bad sniffing, try enabling Advertise Firefox compatibility from the SeaMonkey menu bar with [Edit Preferences Advanced HTTP Networking]. Both of these methods (extension or Advertise Firefox compatibility) should handle all related preference variables and housekeeping without terminating SeaMonkey and relaunching it. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Philip TAYLOR wrote: NFN Smith wrote: It's the same directory as your user profile. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I still don't know where that might be. I have tried about:profile and got nothing; I have looked in all the obvious places in Edit/Preferences, and I still have no idea where my profile is stored. Is there a single file, with a reasonably unique name, that is stored in my user profile directory and for which I can search ? Tools / Switch profile allows me to launch the Profile manager, but not even that is prepared to disclose where my profile is stored. Philip Taylor You should never have to update/change your UA string unless you have a reason to spoof it. For that purpose I've found this add-on to be simply the best, easiest way to change my UA string on the fly - http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Don't mind the Firefox ad - it works with SM. And if you need a reference for building or analyzing UA strings, this is a great one - http://www.useragentstring.com/ -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Jay Garcia wrote: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. Only if you have one. As you know, not all users do. For example, I have no such file anywhere on my computer, never have. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 06.08.2012 20:31, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. Only if you have one. As you know, not all users do. For example, I have no such file anywhere on my computer, never have. user.js is not installed with the distro, it is installed by the user afterwards .. if necessary. I use it to make changes where I need to have a history as well as a date that a custom pref was added. -- Jay Garcia - www.ufaq.org - Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/ Mozilla Mozillian Member - www.mozillians.org Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
Jay Garcia wrote: On 06.08.2012 20:31, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: user.js is in the profile root directory, same as prefs.js. Only if you have one. As you know, not all users do. For example, I have no such file anywhere on my computer, never have. user.js is not installed with the distro, it is installed by the user afterwards .. if necessary. I use it to make changes where I need to have a history as well as a date that a custom pref was added. Yep. So the first thing to tell people, if you recommend modifications to user.js, is to create one -- as you did in your post of 8/6/2012 at 6:12 PM US EDT. But NFN Smith wrote, It's the same directory as your user profile, as if it existed by default, and I found that confusing (Philip Taylor seemed to as well). And your reply above, to which I replied, implied the same confusing assumption. Since the user documentation does not mention the file, a link describing the format and syntax would be helpful in these cases. Harmut's link upthread to http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file is a good start; if you have something better to recommend I'm sure users would welcome it. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User Agent location
On 12-08-06 6:28 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: How does one predict the directory in which Seamonkey will look for a user.js file, and is there documentation describing what may appear in a user.js file and the syntax thereof ? Searching for user.js in Seamonkey Help yields [No matching items found.] In info on these pages should help: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/customizing/#userjs http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/ -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
