Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/26/13 8:56 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/23/13 5:45 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

...but how does
one unpack the .xpi?


It's just a zip archive. Stuffit Expander unpacks it in the proper
folder structure by default.


holy crap, there is a looot of stuff in there.

GW


LOL - I thought the same thing when I had a look around. :)




...ok...cue the evil laugh...I can see myself creating a *whole* world 
of chaos in there...not knowing anything about what I'd be doing.


Haven't found anything that looks like a global color code...and all of 
the icons for the buttons, etc. seem to be individuated.  But it's an 
interesting set of files to poke around in!


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/26/13 8:56 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/23/13 5:45 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

...but how does
one unpack the .xpi?


It's just a zip archive. Stuffit Expander unpacks it in the proper
folder structure by default.


holy crap, there is a looot of stuff in there.

GW


LOL - I thought the same thing when I had a look around. :)

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/23/13 5:45 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

...but how does
one unpack the .xpi?


It's just a zip archive. Stuffit Expander unpacks it in the proper
folder structure by default.


holy crap, there is a looot of stuff in there.

GW
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/23/13 5:45 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM
Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar
hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it
would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even
select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and
it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a
Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package -
if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and
look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this
file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." . From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which
may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to
see
the same. All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine. 2.1+ is like Trane says in the
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said

GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)



Ok...at least it's all consistent...I know stuff has been changed
around
substantially!

but the original question if how this file relates to userChrome.css is
still out there - which is what, and what or which has to get hacked?



I took his response to mean, if we unpack the XPI, and study it for many
hours, we will understand all the parts and colors definitions of the
Modern Theme, and we could then change a color by putting a different
definition in userchrome.css.



Yes, that was my initial thought and that it would be simpler to just
change the color constant in the .xpi and leave it there...but how does
one unpack the .xpi?


It's just a zip archive. Stuffit Expander unpacks it in the proper
folder structure by default.


I'm fine with gray, but might try to unpack and read the XPI anyway, to
learn some more about how all this works.  It might be easy to find,
since it's likely the ONLY color listed in the Modern theme's XPI.

GW


Yes...I'd make a copy out of the Package and fool around with that.  If
it were a straight grey or silver-grey like my Mac OS window frames then
I wouldn't even be thinking about it...it's more of a blue-grey, and
that sort of separates the SM frame from the uniformity of the OS
standard.  What I'd do is simply match the colors and probably never
change it again.

Not really an annoyance for me, just more of a curiosity.



Another option for you /might/ be to replace the Default theme's
graphics with those from the Modern theme. That might net you nice
colours plus the buttons you prefer. I don't know whether it would be
all that simple, though it's possibly worth the few minutes to give it a
whirl.



I think I'd loose the grippies on the Sidebar pane edges if I did 
that...which reminds me, is yet another reason I prefer SM Modern.


But I could certainly get the color reference info to hack into SM 
Modern from there.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/23/13 5:45 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM
Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and
it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a
Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and
look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this
file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." . From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which
may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see
the same. All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine. 2.1+ is like Trane says in the
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said

GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)



Ok...at least it's all consistent...I know stuff has been changed around
substantially!

but the original question if how this file relates to userChrome.css is
still out there - which is what, and what or which has to get hacked?



I took his response to mean, if we unpack the XPI, and study it for many
hours, we will understand all the parts and colors definitions of the
Modern Theme, and we could then change a color by putting a different
definition in userchrome.css.



Yes, that was my initial thought and that it would be simpler to just
change the color constant in the .xpi and leave it there...but how does
one unpack the .xpi?


It's just a zip archive. Stuffit Expander unpacks it in the proper 
folder structure by default.



I'm fine with gray, but might try to unpack and read the XPI anyway, to
learn some more about how all this works.  It might be easy to find,
since it's likely the ONLY color listed in the Modern theme's XPI.

GW


Yes...I'd make a copy out of the Package and fool around with that.  If
it were a straight grey or silver-grey like my Mac OS window frames then
I wouldn't even be thinking about it...it's more of a blue-grey, and
that sort of separates the SM frame from the uniformity of the OS
standard.  What I'd do is simply match the colors and probably never
change it again.

Not really an annoyance for me, just more of a curiosity.



Another option for you /might/ be to replace the Default theme's 
graphics with those from the Modern theme. That might net you nice 
colours plus the buttons you prefer. I don't know whether it would be 
all that simple, though it's possibly worth the few minutes to give it a 
whirl.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM
Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and
it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a
Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and
look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this
file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." . From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which
may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see
the same. All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine. 2.1+ is like Trane says in the
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said

GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)



Ok...at least it's all consistent...I know stuff has been changed around
substantially!

but the original question if how this file relates to userChrome.css is
still out there - which is what, and what or which has to get hacked?



I took his response to mean, if we unpack the XPI, and study it for many
hours, we will understand all the parts and colors definitions of the
Modern Theme, and we could then change a color by putting a different
definition in userchrome.css.



Yes, that was my initial thought and that it would be simpler to just 
change the color constant in the .xpi and leave it there...but how does 
one unpack the .xpi?



I'm fine with gray, but might try to unpack and read the XPI anyway, to
learn some more about how all this works.  It might be easy to find,
since it's likely the ONLY color listed in the Modern theme's XPI.

GW


Yes...I'd make a copy out of the Package and fool around with that.  If 
it were a straight grey or silver-grey like my Mac OS window frames then 
I wouldn't even be thinking about it...it's more of a blue-grey, and 
that sort of separates the SM frame from the uniformity of the OS 
standard.  What I'd do is simply match the colors and probably never 
change it again.


Not really an annoyance for me, just more of a curiosity.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM
Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and
it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a
Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and
look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this
file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." . From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which
may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see
the same. All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine. 2.1+ is like Trane says in the
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said

GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)



Ok...at least it's all consistent...I know stuff has been changed around
substantially!

but the original question if how this file relates to userChrome.css is
still out there - which is what, and what or which has to get hacked?



I took his response to mean, if we unpack the XPI, and study it for many 
hours, we will understand all the parts and colors definitions of the 
Modern Theme, and we could then change a color by putting a different 
definition in userchrome.css.


I'm fine with gray, but might try to unpack and read the XPI anyway, to 
learn some more about how all this works.  It might be easy to find, 
since it's likely the ONLY color listed in the Modern theme's XPI.


GW
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM
Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and
it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and
look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." .  From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see
the same.  All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine.  2.1+ is like Trane says in the
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said

GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)



Ok...at least it's all consistent...I know stuff has been changed around 
substantially!


but the original question if how this file relates to userChrome.css is 
still out there - which is what, and what or which has to get hacked?


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." .  From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.

I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see
the same.  All of my installs have always been obtained directly from
the SM site.



sorry, Ruf, that was on my 2.0 machine.  2.1+ is like Trane says in the 
other responseand it's an XPI like CHEE said


GW
(who is usually on his beloved PPC)
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/22/13 3:51 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging
over the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows?  It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


In Finder, go Applications -> SeaMonkey. Right-click (Ctrl-click) and
show package contents. Then go to Contents/MacOS/extensions. The theme
is there.

trane



uggg.  I forgot that  2.0 is fundamentally different than 2.1+

here with 2.23 it is like you say T.F.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would
be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the
things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed
info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." .  From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which may
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to
tweak inside.

GW



Interesting...in my SM 2.13.2 install Package there isn't a Chrome 
folder anywhere within the Package itself, only in the user Profile 
folders in my ~user/Library/Application Support/Seamonkey folders.


I'll take a look at my SM 2.23 install sometime, but I'd expect to see 
the same.  All of my installs have always been obtained directly from 
the SM site.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/22/13 3:51 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows?  It makes no sense on Mac.

GW

In Finder, go Applications -> SeaMonkey. Right-click (Ctrl-click) and 
show package contents. Then go to Contents/MacOS/extensions. The theme 
is there.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing. Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that. Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with
SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows? It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a Mac
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and look in
Extensions you can find a file that looks like
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi". That's the only way I could find
anything like.

My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this file,
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own. Somehow...



a, yes "Show Pack.." .  From there I see
Contents/Mac OS/Extensions/modern@

and inside that folder is a Chrome folder which has modern.jar which may 
indeed be the prize, but I can't open that to see if there is CSS to 
tweak inside.


GW

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows?  It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and it's
not a Mac sort of path-spec.



...ok...from what I think I can noodle out (I'm *not* a coder) on a Mac 
you have to fool around with this from within the SM Package - if you 
cntrl+click on the SM app and select "Show Package Contents" and look in 
Extensions you can find a file that looks like 
"mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi".  That's the only way I could find 
anything like.


My thought would be that a user would have to make a copy of this file, 
manipulate it (somehow...), and then either reinstall it into the 
Package or install it as a Theme of it's own.  Somehow...


This is *far* more involved/cmoplicated than simply manipulating a color 
using a userChrome.css hack.


What else ya got?

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern
Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over
the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any
other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows?  It makes no sense on Mac.

GW


Yes - SM is interpreting the *.xpi as an e-mail address here...and it's 
not a Mac sort of path-spec.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Philip Chee wrote:

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil


Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on
the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?


Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey...



Is that on Windows?  It makes no sense on Mac.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Philip Chee]

On 21/12/2013 01:07, Rufus wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:
>>
>>> If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme
>>> it would be dead-solid perfection!
>>>
>>> While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the
>>> blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
>>> nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of
>>> my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
>>> that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.
>>
>> A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.
>>
>> Phil
> 
> Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on 
> the bones of the SM Modern Theme itself?

Well there is:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/themes/modern/

But I'd suggest that you find the modern theme that comes with SeaMonkey
which should be located at:

seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi

Where seamonkey is where you installed SeaMonkey.

Unpack the XPI (It's just a ZIP file)

Phil

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 3:31 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting
a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or
Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search
button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to
Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing









Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to
be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface
is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default
theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely
renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW


I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.

Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:





Can't stand that one...looks PlaySkool.  And cluttered visually, with
all the colors...I'll stick with SM Modern.


Interesting. For me, the coloured buttons don't even strike me as
colours. For me, the predominant colour is "aluminum", matching the rest
of the OS X interface. And the coloured buttons are as colourful as the
Finder icons in Snow Leopard.

I'm on Lion and find the lack of colour troubling. You might find
computing nirvana with the drab grey of Lion and the monotone of Modern. :)

Cheers and thanks for a good conversation. :)

trane


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 12:42 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a
50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search
button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing









Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default
theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



As I type this, I'm looking at the SM Default Theme...and it looks like
crap to me.  Reds, blues, greens, golds...cartoon looking buttons that
don't come *close* to mirroring my OS 10.7.8 interface at all.  Nothing
like the nice uniform look of the SM Modern Theme...which I *LOVE*...

To each their own, but I really hate the Default Theme and will be
changing back to it right after I hit Send.


Reds, greens, golds and cartoon-looking buttons? Seriously?



That is the Default theme. Is that what you think looks so bad? *blink*



Yes - this is the Theme I hate.  It totally blows the feel of the rest
of my generally uniform silver OS X interface.  I don't need color
pictures in my buttons...just a simple iconic indicating function will
do nicely.

Other than being blue vice sliver I find the nice uniform SM Modern
Theme (which at one time *was* the Default) *much* easier to look at.
YMMV.

I don't like it either I am currently SeaMonkey Modern, I don't that as 
well. But Have since my Fav Orbit 3 +1 isn't being updated.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:





Reds, greens, golds and cartoon-looking buttons? Seriously?






um, yeah, that's what the picture shows.  There's also blue and purple.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Philip Chee wrote:

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:


If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme
it would be dead-solid perfection!

While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil



Good point...I'll look into that.  Anyplace I can find detailed info on 
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Philip Chee]

On 20/12/2013 14:38, Rufus wrote:

> If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme 
> it would be dead-solid perfection!
> 
> While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the 
> blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a 
> nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of 
> my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things 
> that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.

A bit of userChrome.css should be able to fix that.

Phil

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[GerardJan]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 3:31 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or
Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing









Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW


I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.

Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:





Can't stand that one...looks PlaySkool.  And cluttered visually, with
all the colors...I'll stick with SM Modern.


Interesting. For me, the coloured buttons don't even strike me as colours. For
me, the predominant colour is "aluminum", matching the rest of the OS X
interface. And the coloured buttons are as colourful as the Finder icons in Snow
Leopard.

I'm on Lion and find the lack of colour troubling. You might find computing
nirvana with the drab grey of Lion and the monotone of Modern. :)

Cheers and thanks for a good conversation. :)

trane


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 3:31 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting
a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or
Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search
button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to
Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing









Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to
be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface
is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default
theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely
renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW


I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.

Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:





Can't stand that one...looks PlaySkool.  And cluttered visually, with
all the colors...I'll stick with SM Modern.


Interesting. For me, the coloured buttons don't even strike me as
colours. For me, the predominant colour is "aluminum", matching the rest
of the OS X interface. And the coloured buttons are as colourful as the
Finder icons in Snow Leopard.



I find they really stick out and are far too bright *because* of the 
predominant aluminum backdrop.  If you look at Safari it's more 
monotone...*and* the buttons are smaller, which I wouldn't mind them 
being a bit bigger, but the overall effect is less "intrusive"...wish I 
could come up with a better word..."overpowering"?  I find the color in 
the buttons a bit like having a light shined in my eyes.


I've run into a similar problem after being switched to Win7 at work and 
having MS Outlook "upgraded"...the silver and/or blue presentation 
themes are too bright and I have to use black to make Outlook somewhat 
more readable...but even that isn't really optimum for me or many other 
users...must be getting old or something...



I'm on Lion and find the lack of colour troubling. You might find
computing nirvana with the drab grey of Lion and the monotone of Modern. :)



I have multiple machines and use both Lion and SnoLep, and I don't mind 
the Finder icons being colored in the SnoLep Sidebar but I do 
like/prefer the monochrome user buttons I keep at the top of my Finder 
windows.


But I do miss those color Sidebar icons with 10.7 mainly because they 
have/had a direct association with something/someplace on my hard drive 
- that's of far more eidetic use than doing that with nav buttons that 
have no such association...that just becomes eye clutter, for me.



Cheers and thanks for a good conversation. :)

trane



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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/20/13 3:31 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or
Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing








Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW


I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.

Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:





Can't stand that one...looks PlaySkool.  And cluttered visually, with
all the colors...I'll stick with SM Modern.

Interesting. For me, the coloured buttons don't even strike me as 
colours. For me, the predominant colour is "aluminum", matching the rest 
of the OS X interface. And the coloured buttons are as colourful as the 
Finder icons in Snow Leopard.


I'm on Lion and find the lack of colour troubling. You might find 
computing nirvana with the drab grey of Lion and the monotone of Modern. :)


Cheers and thanks for a good conversation. :)

trane

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

PhillipJones wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you
hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing








Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.


My favorite theme  is  Orbit 3+1 doesn't work at all on SM 2.23 did on
2.21.

My absolute favorite was a Theme created by Sailfish called SkyPilot but
when he got tired of messing with themes he sold it to a Fellow That has
no interest in updating it for modern versions of SM. In fact when I
email a requesting an up date for SM he said I m interested %^&$
Seamonkey. Don't contact me again (was my first request). all the built
themes seem too cartoony for me.



If I could customize the color of the window trim on the SM Modern Theme 
it would be dead-solid perfection!


While having the silver-grey OS X window interface bar hanging over the 
blueish SM Toolbar presentation isn't really annoying, it would be a 
nice touch to be able to match their color...or even select any other of 
my own choosing.  Just a thought...that's certainly one of the things 
that makes Thunderbird look so nice behind Safari.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or
Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing








Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW


I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.

Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:





Can't stand that one...looks PlaySkool.  And cluttered visually, with 
all the colors...I'll stick with SM Modern.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 12:42 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in
presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages
are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously
visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if
you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing








Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and
confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



As I type this, I'm looking at the SM Default Theme...and it looks like
crap to me.  Reds, blues, greens, golds...cartoon looking buttons that
don't come *close* to mirroring my OS 10.7.8 interface at all.  Nothing
like the nice uniform look of the SM Modern Theme...which I *LOVE*...

To each their own, but I really hate the Default Theme and will be
changing back to it right after I hit Send.


Reds, greens, golds and cartoon-looking buttons? Seriously?



That is the Default theme. Is that what you think looks so bad? *blink*



Yes - this is the Theme I hate.  It totally blows the feel of the rest 
of my generally uniform silver OS X interface.  I don't need color 
pictures in my buttons...just a simple iconic indicating function will 
do nicely.


Other than being blue vice sliver I find the nice uniform SM Modern 
Theme (which at one time *was* the Default) *much* easier to look at.  YMMV.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing







Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.


My favorite theme  is  Orbit 3+1 doesn't work at all on SM 2.23 did on 2.21.

My absolute favorite was a Theme created by Sailfish called SkyPilot but 
when he got tired of messing with themes he sold it to a Fellow That has 
no interest in updating it for modern versions of SM. In fact when I 
email a requesting an up date for SM he said I m interested %^&$ 
Seamonkey. Don't contact me again (was my first request). all the built 
themes seem too cartoony for me.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/20/13 11:23 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing







Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".

GW

I'm not talking about running Modern. I used to run Modern on Linux and 
liked it, but when SM 2.0 was released and I saw the revised Default 
theme for OS X, I switched. It looks like a proper Mac app now, whereas 
the Modern theme (to my eye) looks like something you'd find elsewhere.


Different strokes, but I prefer the clean, uncluttered look of Default.

Default for SM on OS X:



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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/20/13 12:42 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing







Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



As I type this, I'm looking at the SM Default Theme...and it looks like
crap to me.  Reds, blues, greens, golds...cartoon looking buttons that
don't come *close* to mirroring my OS 10.7.8 interface at all.  Nothing
like the nice uniform look of the SM Modern Theme...which I *LOVE*...

To each their own, but I really hate the Default Theme and will be
changing back to it right after I hit Send.


Reds, greens, golds and cartoon-looking buttons? Seriously?



That is the Default theme. Is that what you think looks so bad? *blink*

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[GerardJan]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 12:42 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing








Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



As I type this, I'm looking at the SM Default Theme...and it looks like
crap to me.  Reds, blues, greens, golds...cartoon looking buttons that
don't come *close* to mirroring my OS 10.7.8 interface at all.  Nothing
like the nice uniform look of the SM Modern Theme...which I *LOVE*...

To each their own, but I really hate the Default Theme and will be
changing back to it right after I hit Send.


Reds, greens, golds and cartoon-looking buttons? Seriously?



That is the Default theme. Is that what you think looks so bad? *blink*


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay
and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing







Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



As I type this, I'm looking at the SM Default Theme...and it looks like 
crap to me.  Reds, blues, greens, golds...cartoon looking buttons that 
don't come *close* to mirroring my OS 10.7.8 interface at all.  Nothing 
like the nice uniform look of the SM Modern Theme...which I *LOVE*...


To each their own, but I really hate the Default Theme and will be 
changing back to it right after I hit Send.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page. Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing







Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics. Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me. I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!


You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."

It's beautiful.



you need to make a collage of screen shots or something.  I run Modern 
on OSX 10.4, Modern on OSX 10.5, and Modern on OSX 10.6 and they all 
look exactly the same, and they all "fit".


GW
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/20/13 4:17 AM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing






Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.

SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!

You're certainly not describing the Default theme on OS X. The Default 
theme on OS X has the classical Mac app look since SM 2.0. From the 
release notes: "The default theme on Mac OS X was completely renewed to 
better fit with the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard."


It's beautiful.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Rufus]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox
which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing






Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL



I can't stand the Defaut Theme...it looks jumbled, muddle, and confusing 
to me.  I don't need or want to see all those disjointed colors.


SM Mondern Theme forever on my installs - Mac OS and/or Win7!

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[GerardJan]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing





Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is compared
to Modern on OS X. LOL




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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Trane Francks]

On 12/19/13 2:40 AM +0900, EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing





Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?

It sure served up a great reminder of how elegant the Default theme is 
compared to Modern on OS X. LOL


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

EE wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing






Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?

I'm using an Extension to make items more readable for me. "Themes and 
Font size changer". You can increase the Font size, type font used even 
color for the UI. Doesn't affect web pages or fonts used in Emails, news 
post. Works for SeaMonkey, FireFox Aurora, and Yuck (about to Upchuck) 
FireFox UX Autrailis.


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new (OS X) Mavericks...


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks
This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing




Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


worked here, however I noticed that my browser still has me logged-in to
my own Google account.  Maybe it's public to people who are registered
only?


WFM, too, but I wasn't logged in before or afterward (I purposely
cleared cookies before visiting the page). I do have a gmail account, so
I have SM set to accept Google's cookies, and it set seven when
displaying this image.

It also worked if I truncated the URL thus:



I am not letting Google set cookies, and the image appears for me.

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[EE]

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing





Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.

What I really notice is that most of the text in the interface is in 
italics.  Is that deliberate, or are the fonts not working properly?


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[Daniel]

PhillipJones wrote:

Well that partially but mostly I was showing all the menu bars shown in
SM with OSX.9.1 installed.

Lee wrote:

No problem at this end, it loaded and showed a screen shot of a guy if
that
is what he was trying to send.  Heavy set with beard.

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing






Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


Opened fully tonight, don't know what went wrong this morning!!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 Build identifier: 20131203183810


or

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22 Build identifier: 20131023190942

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new (OS X) Mavericks...


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks
This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing



Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


worked here, however I noticed that my browser still has me logged-in to
my own Google account.  Maybe it's public to people who are registered
only?

GW

 When go to Google and click on item to check it Then click Share.
Usually It owned by the author.
You have a Choice by owner, Public, or only for email sent to. I always 
choose public the saving changes.
At that point a link is provided I copy the link and paste  in the 
email/news posts


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new (OS X) Mavericks...


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks
This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing




Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


worked here, however I noticed that my browser still has me logged-in to
my own Google account. Maybe it's public to people who are registered
only?


WFM, too, but I wasn't logged in before or afterward (I purposely
cleared cookies before visiting the page). I do have a gmail account, so
I have SM set to accept Google's cookies, and it set seven when
displaying this image.

It also worked if I truncated the URL thus:




yeah, it loaded in iCab too, and I've never logged-in to Google with 
that browser, so tis a mystery.  A better mystery is why Raymond Burr is 
on PMJ's website!?!  ;-)


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new (OS X) Mavericks...


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks
This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing



Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


worked here, however I noticed that my browser still has me logged-in to
my own Google account.  Maybe it's public to people who are registered
only?


WFM, too, but I wasn't logged in before or afterward (I purposely 
cleared cookies before visiting the page). I do have a gmail account, so 
I have SM set to accept Google's cookies, and it set seven when 
displaying this image.


It also worked if I truncated the URL thus:


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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Geoff Welsh]

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new (OS X) Mavericks...


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks
This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing


Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!


That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a
Public link.


worked here, however I noticed that my browser still has me logged-in to 
my own Google account.  Maybe it's public to people who are registered only?


GW
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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Well that partially but mostly I was showing all the menu bars shown in 
SM with OSX.9.1 installed.


Lee wrote:

No problem at this end, it loaded and showed a screen shot of a guy if that
is what he was trying to send.  Heavy set with beard.

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing





Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!






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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing




Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!

That's odd I clicked on it and worked fine and its supposed to be a 
Public link.


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[Lee]

No problem at this end, it loaded and showed a screen shot of a guy if that
is what he was trying to send.  Heavy set with beard.

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing




Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!



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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[Daniel]

PhillipJones wrote:

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation
with the new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are
different and most of the page graphics are gone presenting a 50%
blank page.  Log-in buttons no longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and
Images under Google search are not accessible as no search button
shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were previously visible
(Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if you hit
the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes
Seamonkey not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which
still works with Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be
Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing



Phillip, clicking your link basically gets me a blank'ish page!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 Build identifier: 20131203183810


or

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22 Build identifier: 20131023190942

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Re: V2.23 and Macintosh Mavericks OS

[PhillipJones]

gnaan...@gmail.com wrote:

The new SeaMonkey version is totally not compatible in presentation with the 
new Mavericks OS from MacIntosh (Apple) All the pages are different and most of 
the page graphics are gone presenting a 50% blank page.  Log-in buttons no 
longer show up for Amazon or Ebay and Images under Google search are not 
accessible as no search button shows up? A lot of graphics in emails that were 
previously visible (Such as a COSTCO AD) are now blank and can only be seen if 
you hit the forward setting for the email. All this dysfunction makes Seamonkey 
not usable at this time so I am moving over to Firefox which still works with 
Mavericks. Hopefully, the next version will be Mavericks Compatible?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.23 on Mavericks

This is what mine looks like:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ65mKK_cF5eFlNRlMzb3p2U3M/edit?usp=sharing

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