Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
--- goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:Has anybody got any ideas or designs for more efficient mixers fro large scale production? I was thinking of some kind of multi-stage mixer in smaller modules to decrease mixing times ... paddy I think the batch technology is the best for little and medium scale. I belive that you can«t produce no more than 45.000 tn year (in efficient way). This plants do 3 batchs/day of 50.000 kg every batch, and the batch is divided in 10 mixers of 5.000 kg. This 10 little mixers are more efficients than 1 big mixer. This plants SHOULD have Methanol Recovery, and the transesterification it«s in 3 steeps. With this equipment this plants can have a good efficience. For more capacity of production you have to talk about continuos process. Capacities between 20.000 and 150.000 tn./year, with today«s technology. Regards. Mauro Ariel Knudsen. _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: cost
Hello Huseyin, I see the address. I don«t know if some body tried with this equipment, but I know some one that designed reactor like that, I think that is VERY INTERESTING. Look at this: http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/groups/polymer/Main_research.html And tell me, what you think? Mauro Ariel Knudsen. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Dear Biodieselers, From the cataloques and web sites of some lab. equipment companies i read about pipe , tube and sanitary mixers which enable the mixing of slurries in a pipe, while pumping. What i want to learn from you if it is possible to get continous biodiesel process by the help of these kind of mixers and reduce the cost. Here is the web site of Cole parmer from where you can get detailed information about mixers. http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/0102_pdf/U-1066_67.PDF http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_index.asp? cls=3224par=3129,3219,3220cat=1 http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp? sku=cls=par=3129,3219,3220cat=1sch=242sel=0466828lstBool=true Best Regards Huseyin TURCAN --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got any ideas or designs for more efficient mixers fro large scale production? I was thinking of some kind of multi- stage mixer in smaller modules to decrease mixing times ... paddy Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biobased Information System Web Site
Biobased Information System Web Site, useful new Biobased Information System (BIS) site from AgroTech Communications, Inc. features news articles from around the world on new uses, new crops, ag fibers, and bioenergy issues. http://www.biobased.org/ Biobased Information System: Headline Stories Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...
Hello Jan and Pedro, In Argentina the situation is diferent. Our fuel tax is law called ITC. This law was made when no body know the biodiesel and for this reason don«t biodiesel don«t have fuel tax, the problem in this situation is that we don«t have security in the comming year. So, we are pulling a law to create a Tax Stability (to continue with out tax). The ethanol, don«t have tax by law. Th ethanol production start in Argentina in the 70«s, from sugar cane (like Brasil). The first idea was a straigth blending (Gasohol = 82%gasoline + 18% alcohol). But our lands and climate are not enougth tropically (like in Brasil). So the production go down. Today we had a very little production, and the goberment is not interested in replace MTBE by ETBE. The biodiesel production don«t exist (less than 10.000tn year), but have a big future, because Argentina is the biggest Vegeable Oil Exporter in the world (we export 4.000.000 tn/year). In this moment in Argentina Biodiesel (without taxes) can be soo much cheaper than diesel (0,35 US$/lt vs 0,55 US$/lt). So I think that we can have a market of about 1.200.000 tn/year (this is the volume of imported diesel per year). In today we have in Argentina 3 project to build biodiesel plants. In Santa Fe, BioFe project 5.000 tn/year, in Cordoba, Monte Buey«s project 30.000 tn, in Buenos Aires province, in Tres Arroyos city 40.000 tn (I«m the principal in this project), this project maybe will have a Continuos Process plant (ultra efficient) with glycerine refination (99.7% purity, Farmacopea quality). Some questions for Jan, What means PLN 900 or PLN 2200 to 2300? Best Regards. Mauro Ariel Knudsen. Argentinean Biodieseler --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Hi Jan Didn't you mean to send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Hi Pedro and Mauro, Maybe this is good point to exchange information how thing go in different countries I can say few words on Poland and the situation of biofules: Bioethanol : We have two big producers (refineries) of petrol in our country. They used to produce leaded fuel among others. Now the leaded fuel is on the decline. And as they say the bioethanol was most suitable to mix with leaded fuel. Because of that many producers of ethanol are on the virge of bankrupcy since the refineries reject to buy ethanol. And despite the law regulation that benzines that contain at least 5% of bioethanol are exempted from the excise tax there is no demand for bioethanol. This is simply because refinery prefers to add several cents to the price of one liter of the petrol and have this problem off their head. Who pays for it ? Of course all motorists. Biodiesel: No excise duty (or tax if you will) for biodiesel but. Poland used to be rapeseed superpower (almost 5% of worlds crop were located here) and almost 100% of rapeseed was used to produce vegetable oils and derivatives (margarine and the like). Farmers had contracts with vegetable oil companies (very much the same as sugar beetroot farmers with sugar refineries) and were paid rather good price. Today this price is about PLN 900/metric tonne i.e. US $ 225/tonne of rapeseed. This can be a hindrance to further development of biodiesel Petrodiesel cost on the wholesale market PLN 2200 to 2300 i.e. $525 to $575/tonne. The petrol stations belong to refineries and they...are not interested in biodiesel because this could take away profits from their owner (at least they think like that). Maybe giants are the same everywhere ? Of course official argumentation is that e.g. bioethanol is not suitable to mix with high grade benzines or that biodiesel does not comply with the quality requirements of standard diesel. This sounds very professional - but is it true ??? That is another story. Does it contribute a little to the whole picture ? Does it supplement the Spanish case ? Awaiting your opinions jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: cost
dear Huseyin TURCAN This was something like what we imagined . mixing veg oil and methanol in a long cylinder with some kind of multi-staging set-up so that the mix is pumped thru continuously. I have been playing around with some ideas on autoCAD and may make a prototype in a few months time, in the meantime will look at all relevent articles/catalogues ... thanks for your interest paddy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: cost Dear Biodieselers, From the cataloques and web sites of some lab. equipment companies i read about pipe , tube and sanitary mixers which enable the mixing of slurries in a pipe, while pumping. What i want to learn from you if it is possible to get continous biodiesel process by the help of these kind of mixers and reduce the cost. Here is the web site of Cole parmer from where you can get detailed information about mixers. http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/0102_pdf/U-1066_67.PDF http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_index.asp? cls=3224par=3129,3219,3220cat=1 http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp? sku=cls=par=3129,3219,3220cat=1sch=242sel=0466828lstBool=true Best Regards Huseyin TURCAN --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody got any ideas or designs for more efficient mixers fro large scale production? I was thinking of some kind of multi- stage mixer in smaller modules to decrease mixing times ... paddy Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom
Hi Mauro Please translate your numbers? Does this - 4.000.000 - mean four thousand point zero, or four million? Thousand I think, but just to be sure. Thanks Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom
Hello Keith, I write 4.000.000 that means four millon. My country suplied large quantities of vejetable oil to China, until 1.999 when China decided to put high tax to vejetable oil importations (to produce more vejetable oil inside China, with imported grains like soybean, and building Crushing plants, creating new jobs). So, the Vejetable Oil Industry, in Argentina had a lot of problems (really big problems). So, in my country, biodiesel could be a really important bussines, like I saided, today we had a posible market of 1,2 millon of tonnes of Biodiesel per year, because our Vejetable Oil Industry don«t know what to do with soo much oil. Best Regards. Mauro Ariel Knudsen. Argentinean Biodieseler --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Hi Mauro Please translate your numbers? Does this - 4.000.000 - mean four thousand point zero, or four million? Thousand I think, but just to be sure. Thanks Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] New List Gives away $100 per Newsletter!
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Re: [biofuels-biz] brain stoerm-situation in different countries....
Hello Jan, In Argentina, the produccion had changed soo much this last year: Year 1998: Sunflower 6,1 millon of tones. Soybean16,0 millon of tones. Year 1999: Sunflower 7,0 millon of tones. Soybean18,0 millon of tones. Year 2000: Sunflower 5,0 millon of tones. Soybean20,0 millon of tones. Year 2001: Sunflower 3,0 millon of tones. Soybean25,0 millon of tones. Thank you about for your clarification about PLN. Best regards. Mauro Ariel Knudsen. --- Jan_Surwka [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Hi to all, Mauro, thank you very much for the Argentina info. It sounds like a paradise for biodiesel. I must admit that I envy you in a way. By the way what is the major source of vegetable oil produced in your country ? Do you grow rape or it is sunflower ??? or something else ? Clarification: PLN 2200 means 2200 Polish zloty i.e. Polish currency. Current exchange rate is 1US $ = about PLN 4 (four Polish zloty's) all the best jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ems-energy.pl Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] brain stoerm-situation in different countries....
Hi to all, Mauro, thank you very much for the Argentina info. It sounds like a paradise for biodiesel. I must admit that I envy you in a way. By the way what is the major source of vegetable oil produced in your country ? Do you grow rape or it is sunflower ??? or something else ? Clarification: PLN 2200 means 2200 Polish zloty i.e. Polish currency. Current exchange rate is 1US $ = about PLN 4 (four Polish zloty's) all the best jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ems-energy.pl Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
my barrels were free, but shouldn't cost more than $20 my oil is free. the energy used is negligible (heating and stirring) the chemicals are a tad expensive, but not much is needed. I figure about .75 / gallon Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David CruseP.S. Congrats on the new site. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom
Thanks Mauro Maybe it'll turn out to have been an opportunity rather than a problem. Good luck! I never managed to get to the bottom of it, but while we were still in Hong Kong I was told the crime fringe in South China (and Hong Kong) was very active in reclaiming waste cooking oil and recycling it back into supermarkets as cheap food. Yuk. Imagine what that'll do to your arteries! For starters... Best Keith Hello Keith, I write 4.000.000 that means four millon. My country suplied large quantities of vejetable oil to China, until 1.999 when China decided to put high tax to vejetable oil importations (to produce more vejetable oil inside China, with imported grains like soybean, and building Crushing plants, creating new jobs). So, the Vejetable Oil Industry, in Argentina had a lot of problems (really big problems). So, in my country, biodiesel could be a really important bussines, like I saided, today we had a posible market of 1,2 millon of tonnes of Biodiesel per year, because our Vejetable Oil Industry don«t know what to do with soo much oil. Best Regards. Mauro Ariel Knudsen. Argentinean Biodieseler --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: Hi Mauro Please translate your numbers? Does this - 4.000.000 - mean four thousand point zero, or four million? Thousand I think, but just to be sure. Thanks Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
imápugn (m-pyn) tr.v. imápugned, imápugnáing, imápugns To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument: impugn a political opponent's record. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hey Pedro, What does 'impugned' mean? Mike -Original Message- From: Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum companies ??- In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this exemption to the enterprises . Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are ) enough incentived ???. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!! This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important to separate the forums occuped in topic like do it yourself (home made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting brain storm. Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start? Regards Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Related: :Handmade:ibreve.gif:00074793::69A8854A:69A8854A Related: :Handmade:oomacr.gif:00074794::2B2FD679:2B2FD679 Related: :Handmade:prime.gif:00074795::20CDFFC6:20CDFFC6
RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Thanks, I was always better in maths. Mike -Original Message-From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 4:06 AMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetingsimápugn (m-pyn)tr.v. imápugned, imápugnáing, imápugns To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument: impugn apolitical opponent's record. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htmRenewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.comPalm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palmX10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10[EMAIL PROTECTED](212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/faxWe do not inherit the earth from our ancestors,we borrow it from our children.--- Original Message -From: "Mike Brownstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:10 AMSubject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hey Pedro, What does 'impugned' mean? Mike -Original Message- From: Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum companies ??- In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this exemption to the enterprises . Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are )enough incentived ???. Pedro. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!! This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important to separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm". Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do you think we should start? Regards Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] mixing
Make your own continuous reactor! Oscillatory Flow Mixing (OFM) provides highly effective mixing in tube reactors by the combination of fluid oscillations and baffle inserts ... OFM is particularly suited to continuous processing. How it works, Research, Technology, Publications, and more, with diagrams and photographs. http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/groups/polymer/OFM_page.html Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bubblewash alternative
Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode, make the jets from 15mm copper pipe .05mm diam 5mm apart, really straight, Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial holes. :) If the pump is too strong and youve got mini whirlpools, dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerine as a fuel.....
- Original Message - From: Jan Surwka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information for Paul, Maybe instead of bothering with glycerine as fuel one could use it as a...fertilizer . I have heard that glycerine after diluting with water can be used a soil nutrient jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ems-energy.pl Thanks Jan but to do that I would prefer to use KOH so as not to salt up the garden. This would also increase the cost of raw materials for the BD. Have made a few batches using KOH and either ethanol or methanol. At the moment indications are that I can treat the glycerine and markety it to local speciality soap makers. Thus reducing costs. Thanks, Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
- Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Alternatives, 1). Antipolution air injection pump from 70's vehicle. Use one at work to supply air to multiple fish tanks. Good volume low pressure though, may not like too much of a head. Has carbon vanes very reliable this one is driven by electric motor and has been running continuously for over a year. 2). Compressor unit from low pressure spray gun unit (rubber diaphram pump) Bought one secondhand for under $40.00 gun and all, owner used to pump up tyres with it occasionally so should have enough pressure. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. To reduce posibility of emulsification ( a big problem with the cottenseed oil I am using) I would suggest large drops instead of a fine mist. To compensate for reduced area of contact the washing time can be extended. Obtained a pump from an old Simpson washing machine. Alloy construction and held together with a clamp so that it can easily be taken apart for problems/cleaning etc. About to trial a minature wash setup made from a plastic soft drink bottle and a windscreen washer pump. Bottle is inverted,pump inlet jammed into neck, bottom cut off bottle, holes drilled in it and repositioned in base of bottle. Water from pump is delivered to this seive. If the pump is too strong the water will pool on the surface (not good). Dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Electronics kits and complete units for controling the speed of simple elect motors are available from electronics stores. Regards Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not just use a 5 micron diesel fuel filter to clean up your biodiesel? Sounds nice and simple but I don't think it would remove the water soluble contaminants that water washing achieves. Regards Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PrePost Filtering was Re: bubble wash alternative
Is anyone using a boat filter equipped w/oil-water seperator for their pre-ester and post-fuel treatment. I understand these filters have the 5 micron treatment as well as a water seperation reseviour in them. Would this be more effective for pre and post WVO water removal treatment? (In the plant design phase) regards, c. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:15:48 - Why not just use a 5 micron diesel fuel filter to clean up your biodiesel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
Anyone give me a contact within the Green Party Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally
Anyone making biodiesel or any of the other sustainable energy sources is already doing their bit to save the world. The next step is to shout about it and make yourself a damn nuisance. Like me, but it works. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode. Make the jets from 8 - 15mm copper pipe, drilled .05mm - 1mm diam, 5mm apart, in a really straight line. Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial entry holes. :) If the pump is too strong the water will pool on the surface (not good). Dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative
Why not just use a 5 micron diesel fuel filter to clean up your biodiesel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes
Hello, This Canadian company BIOX (http://www.bioxcorp.com) claims they can make biodiesel in 10 minutes using additional ingredients. Does anyone know any other possible process to speed the reaction like this company? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] anyone have detailed pictures of a biodiesel making setup??
Check out www.homepower.com They have an excellent article on making biodiesel. I subscribed to the magazine after downloading their magazine free for a few months. Greg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biobased Information System Web Site
Biobased Information System Web Site, useful new Biobased Information System (BIS) site from AgroTech Communications, Inc. features news articles from around the world on new uses, new crops, ag fibers, and bioenergy issues. http://www.biobased.org/ Biobased Information System: Headline Stories Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] mixing
http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/groups/polymer/Main_research.html Oscillatory Flow Mixing Research http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_index.asp?cls=3224par=3129, 3219,3220cat=1 Cole-Parmer: Product Index Mixers Static Mixers In-Line Static Mixers Pipe Mixers Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: IMPORTANT HOAX virus alert
DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT REMOVE THIS FILE IT BELONGS THERE. IT IS VITAL TO OS OPERATIONS. THIS IS WORSE THAN A VIRUS IT IS PPL DESTROYING THEIR FILE SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF MISINFORMATION. THIS IS A HOAX AND I WILL MUTLIATE THIS MESSAGE TO PREVENT THE FURTHER SPREAD OF MISINFORMATION. THIS FILE IS A PART OF THE WINDOWS INSTALLATION AND PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR BACKING UP LONG FILE NAMES, AND SHOULD NOT I REPEAT NOT BE DELETED. THIS IS NOT AN INFECTED FILE BUT A RATHER IMPORTANT ONE. YOU WILL LOOSE ACCESS TO ALL FILE NAMES LONGER THAN 10 CHARACTERS. THIS ONLY AFFECTS USERS OF THE MICROSHAFT OPERATING SYSTEM. THIS FILE MAY BE ABLE TO BE DOWNLOADED FROM THE WINDOWS INSTALL DISK IF DELETED BUT DO NOT REBOOT YOUR MACHINE BEFORE YOU REPLACE IT. SERIOUSLY, Cordain Wan Engineer/Computer Geek dulles, va (usa) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:39:49 +0800 Dear Friends, Since i replied to more than once to this egroup. I think almost everyone could have been infected. I searched by HD and surely enough, it was there. Pls. follow the procedure and get rid of this virus before you infect someone else. Thanks, Opps and Sorry Ken C. Subject: virus alert I HARDLY BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS, OR DO ANYTHING, BUT I TRIED, AND FOUND, THE CRITTER IN MY HARD DISK AND THE JUNE 1 THING SOUNDS REALLY SCARY SO JUST GIVE IT A SHOT. BASTI -Original Message- From: ISIDRO, Paolo R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: FW: virus alert To find it and get rid of it off of your computer, do the following: Go to the START button. Go to FIND or SEARCH Go to FILES FOLDERS Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. Type in; CENSORED BECAUSE IT IS A HOAX Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends!!! DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Have a great day. I'm passing a virus notice which is supposed to wreck mass destruction on your hard drives come Friday and thought that it may be applicable to you since I have sent you an e-mail in the past couple months and may have inadvertently sent the virus to you. Just follow the instructions below. Please also forward this message to others you have e-mailed recently. Thanks and cheers, Anton *Please act URGENTLY. VIRUS could be in your computer files now, dormant * but * will become active on June 1. PLEASE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS BELOW TO * CHECK IF YOU HAVE IT AND REMOVE IT NOW. I FOUND IT AND REMOVED IT * TODAY. * Mazen * It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation * via * email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. .. * please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!! * I do not know how long it has been on my computer, but no Virus software * can * detect it. It will become active on June 1, 2001. It might be too late * by * then. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus * travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command' folder. To * find it and get rid of it off of your computer, * do the following. * Go to the START button. * Go to FIND or SEARCH * Go to FILES FOLDERS * Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. * Type in; SULFNBK.EXE * Begin search. * If it finds it, highlight it. * Go to 'File' and delete it. * Close the find Dialog box * Open the Recycle Bin * Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin * You should be safe. * The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you * have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies * have * found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends * DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT * IT * BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. * WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! * Have a great day - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at
Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
Hi Ken, To find out what a MIL-MAC is and so we dont become a nuisance to others go and do a search of the Archives by going to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages and typing in MIL-MAC or by-pass filter in the search box and hitting the Search Archive button. All the info you require is there. If you need further info feel free to contact me direct by sending me a private e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] B.r., David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering What is a MIL-Mac Fuel Filter? Where can you buy this? Is there a generic name for this or is it used specifically by any vehicle? What really is the mesh size of this filter, we maybe able to use filters for water with the same mesh size... any comments to this Ken C. At 10:17 AM 5/31/01 +1200, you wrote: PROOF THAT MIL-MAC FUEL FILTERS WORK Further to my earlier e-mail below following are the results of fuel filter tests conducted on diesel fuel untreated (direct from pump at the local service station) and the same fuel after being run through a MIL-MAC fuel filter. The tests were conducted by IPL (the laboratory attached to the New Zealand Refinery Co refinery at Marsden Point the sole refinery in New Zealand and the provider to all the 5 major oil companies and over 95% of NZ fuel and oil requirements) an independent laboratory which does all the analytical work for the refinery. The tests were paid for by BP who were also interested in the results and there is no way the results can be misrepresented or misconstrued. As people may be aware we have a major fuel problem in NZ at present with about 350,000,000 litres of diesel, which has been prepared for the winter season with the addition of a polymer additive, which is now distributed throughout the country, and which is now causing rough running, some engine stoppages, some injector pump fouling, and heavy fuel filter fouling. The oil companies have all said they will pay for filter relacements. The problem is a lot of filters are fouling quite rapidly. The problem is caused by the additive which is not dissolving into the fuel properly and remaining in suspension but separating out and clumping together blocking up filters etc. As a result the fishing industry has been unoperational for a week now, it being considered too unsafe to let fishing boats put to sea. Also a number of freight operators have pulled vehicles off the road and quite a lot of private motorists have been affected at the same time. The tests conducted were a rather simple one which appears to be a fairly universal one, filtering 500 ml through a certain screen size in 3 minutes or less. If the filter passes the 500ml in under 3 minutes then it is an automatic pass, and if the amount is under 500ml then it is an automatic fail. In this case the size of the additive particles can be up to 8 micron in size going down to virtually zero or dissolvement. Test 1: Untreated diesel direct from pump. Time: 180 seconds (3 minutes) Passed: 355 ml Result: Failed. Test 2: Diesel filtered through MIL-MAC Fuel filter. Time: 47 seconds Passed: 500 ml Result: Passed As can be seen from the above results all filtered diesel passed in under one minute at the average rate of over 10 ml per second. whereas with the untreated diesel only 71% passed in the full test period. In this case the filtered diesel passed at over 5 times the speed of the unfiltered diesel. I believe these filters have direct application to the Biofuel industry and would advise all end users to fit one or an identical similar type filter that will filter to the same degree to all vehicles using biodiesel or standard filtered vegetable oil. B.r., David - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative
Im working on building a new machine to process and sort out the soap from the bio fuel.could the soap be used for any more then just hand soap or could it some how be altered to be used for other methoods... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally
Ian, It is a longwhile since I was in the UK but suspect the situation is the same there as here. Here in NZ to have a car on the road you must have either a current W.O.F. (Warrant of Fitness. for a private car) or a C.O.F. (Certificate of Fitness. for a commercial truck) and the vehicle must be currently registered (which is done by prepaying the govt tax for 6 months or 1 year. On top of this if you have a diesel vehicle you must pay mileage tax which you also must prepay. While there is a small tolerance or leeway going past the limit you have prepaid for entails a fine with the vehicle not allowed back on the road until the back mileage tax is paid for. It makes no difference if the vehicle runs on dino diesel or biodiesel road mileage tax is payable regardless. The thinking behind this is that all road users must pay for the use of the roads. In the case of an electric car there is no mileage tax but again it nust be warranted and registered. At times the motorist feels a little bit hard done by here but compared to the rest of the world we are exceedingly well off in the minimum amount it costs to keep a car on the road. Where we pay for it is in the high cost of imported and replacement parts plus the high insurance rates. B.r., David - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally Prob is, most people prefer clandestine production. What is needed is a test case for the person who cares for their family, people and environment, making a small amount of fuel to fill his/her own car up. He/she lives in fear of being caught, but at the same time he/she pays the taxes on raw materials, pays it regulary on his/her wages (dohh, this his/her thing) ok, it, it -pays the road tax on its car. How can it be, a road taxed electric car can run on a british public road and pay no duty? or am i wrong here? But for oil you pay the duty, but this oil isnt fossil. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Ian, et al, Are you aware that there are sintered stainless steel air stones used by the beer and fermentation industries available. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative
Because these block up very quickly if you are talking about cartridge type filters. B.r., David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:15 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative Why not just use a 5 micron diesel fuel filter to clean up your biodiesel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
Here are a few email contacts - Craig Simmons is County Council green councillor, Paul Ingram is Oxford Central (City) green councillor and Mike Woodin is also a central Oxford green councillor and ex-spokesperson for the green party. All other green councillor email contact details can be found on www.greenoxford.com Craig Simmons - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Ingram - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Woodin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if you need any further information. - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus Anyone give me a contact within the Green Party Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472
Hanns, The only way you can change things is to get out and do them. If you wait for others you will still be sitting there talking about it in 10 years time. The problem is not that people think differently to you but that most of them dont think fullstop. I am often reminded of an old teeshirt saying which use to say We are not Yes men we say No when the boss does. So typically true of most of us. Go to it and you will have a vastly greater affect than anyone philosophying about it. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Keith, Harry et al, Have been reading this stuff with great interest. Am wondering if there is some way all of us likeminded people could pool ideas and come up with something practical that just might begin to make a difference. In my opinion as long as our young keep on getting fed with all this materialistic image/gadgets/fashion/video hits/yuppie crap that is dished out by the media industry each day so that the mega conglomerates can endlessly increase their markets, we will remain in a no win situation all round. What happened to the great movements of generations past? Where people for right or wrong reasons stood by the courage of their convictions and were prepared to suffer for them if necessary. The Boston Pilgrims, the Boer Trekkers, the Mormons just to mention a few? Today all we seem to do is talk, Phillip Adams calls himself and us the chattering classes. Sure the Green peace activists play Russian roulette with fuel tankers, tie themselves to trees etc., but at the end of the day we all go home watch the telly, eat a Japanese restaurants and wear Calvin Klein clothes. Sorry to sound like a wet blanket, but I wish there was something we could do that would just make a little bit of real difference. I bet the CIA is busy lurking on this list ;-) Hanns -Original Message- From: Gary and Jos Kimlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2001 4:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Now you have made me think!! Naturally I don't mean to support the global free trade push, rather I support regulation at the national level, but it is the mechanism of that regulation I am struggling to identify. I like your point about real capitalism as opposed to the corporate way. Unfortunately the pooling of resources may be a characteristic of modern man in that it gave a selective advantage to the tribes that employed it best. I am not convinced that this is intrinsically evil. Even at a village level those who benefit from working together need a way to demonstrate a social conscience, in the absence of a spiritual incentive, taxation seems appropriate. ---profits are privatized, but costs are socialized. The attendant repair and maintenance are left to succeeding generations if possible, if not, to present low and middle income taxpayers. I agree that socialised costs, either infrastructure or environmental, are paid for by taxes. There are more low and middle taxpayers and therein lies the democratic possibility of shifting the tax burden to where it belongs. And yes it may well be a trickle down effect but without some mitigating mechanism the efficient capitalists tend to condense to corporations. A classic criticism of taxing wealth is that it removes the incentive for economic advancement, that of course is the idea, by providing incentive for the poor and removing the incentive above some point we may reduce the gap between the rich and poor. It also caps the local capitalist. If we can't do that in developed countries what chance else where. The poorer they are the more children they have. I know of no instances where the Green Revolution reduced infant and mother mortality rates, many instances of it doing the opposite. Population would not have increased without a higher survival rate- naturally the population expands to meet another (or the same) limiting factor. If we rationalise the obvious- that the children we help to survive will contribute to further population pressure- we are on dangerous ground. The best way I can detect to prevent this is to properly educate the children and provide them with social (including food) security by taxing those who accumulate the wealth. ( Increases in productivity do produce wealth and it does accumulate some where.) This is improving my expression but I am still waiting for mechanism. Come the revolution is no longer good enough, nor can we wait for some genius, we need to find ways to turn the tide ourselves and use the expanding environmental movement to affect the democratic system. Our green platitudes work on the converted, pragmatic sustainability and transparent mechanics of change may work on the majority. You have offered some insight
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Ian, et al, Are you aware that there are sintered stainless steel air stones used by the beer and fermentation industries available. B.r., David http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#wash High-quality bubble stones for biodiesel washing -- instead of plastic these are sintered bronze and won't be affected by alcohol. Listed as sintered bronze muffler filters 40 micron. Sized form 1/8 to 3/4 pipe size fitting, $1.62 to $5.24 US plus SH. MSC Industrial Supply Co. Phone 1 800 645 7270. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for technical enquiries. (Found by Gene Hoxie, Sheridan Wy.) http://www.MSCdirect.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubblewash alternative
Air brush compressor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Standards - was Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Standards - was Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering I agree with you anyway, but my lamentation over filtering didn't refer to the need to filter the biodiesel, and the main problem in this case is that it's not biodiesel anyway, but that's what they're calling it. ** At the end of the day there will probably be several forms of biodiesel. Not sure I would have called the Russian petrol or gasoline I got in Afghanistan years ago either but at the end of the day that was its generic name and what I ran the vehicle on even if it didnt look like or smell like these. When you first start using biodiesel, even excellent biodiesel, you have to check the fuel filter often at first because the stuff loosens up all the gunk previously laid down by the dinodiesel. These people clearly aren't being told that - but I don't know if this mixture of coconut oil and petrodiesel (blend might be stretching it a bit) has the same detergent effect or not. ** Anything with a slightly different chemical formula frees up and releases a lot of caked on or built up carbon, varnish, sludge etc. When a by-pass filter is fitted you would be amazed at how much this quickly pulls out of the system because instead of letting the carbons and other contaminants to circulate these are immediately pulled out and the oil which then retains its initial viscoscity and most of its additives can quickly get at the deposits rather than having a barrier between them. When fitted to a new engine you would be amazed at the amount of metal filings and other rubbish there is in a motor. After looking at the ones I have already seen the terms exacting automobile engineers and precision engineering are a bit of a joke and appear to be a complete contradiction of my understanding of the terms. Coco-diesel might indeed work as claimed, if made to standard, I don't know that either, but it seems clear there aren't any quality controls at work in this case. ** This is why I believe minimum standards are very important and need to be implemented quickly. As an analogy Would you visit a brothel if you knew all the girls working there had aids? In the end shoddy standards reflect upon the others in the industry and drive away those people wishing to enter. I'm not knocking it - as Terry says, any petrodiesel replaced is good petrodiesel! But I haven't seen any reliable test results. The whole thing seems to be a sloppy mess that won't do anyone much good except maybe a few quick-buck artists. Keith, You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale production as I see this area being of most help to the initial producer and being able to quickly feed back the benefits to those it can most benfit. I do not wish to see the industry concentrated into the hands or as an adjunct of the big oil companies whose record over the last 100 years speaks for itself showing a history of exploitation, abuse, and denial of the rights of the individual and minor countries. At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and onselling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That would take time, and wouldn't be easy. I'd like to see an international association of biodiesel and biofuels producers who developed and upheld their own standards among themselves, for their own good and the good of all. ** Quite agreed. I believe the easiest way to do this is for every country to implement its own standards. Generally the easiest way to do this is to pay attention to what has gone before and implement those standards as ones own or make the necessary minor adjustments based on experience and requirement. ernational Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements. None of it was legally binding (until the gummints came along, and messed it all up many say), but it worked well. There'd be a case for saying that small-scale local producers might need less regulating than monstrosities like Big Oil - we all know what self-regulation means to them! When you're part of a local community you're dealing with people who know you, your reputation really matters and it can't be rigged via a bit of spin and some loot slipped to the politicians. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith
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Re: [biofuel] Engines
Ok I pulled this off another list this explains the engines combustion process better than I can. http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/01-01/0016.html David: There are a lot of myths floating around regarding the Multifuel engine. I will try to help you. In the late 1950's the decision was made to adapt the G742 series vehicles (as well as many other tactical vehicles) to run on diesel or gasoline or various other fuels. Fitting the Continental LDS-427 turbosupercharged, multifuel engine did this. This engine built under license from M.A.N. (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nurnberg) uses the Hypercycle combustion process. Into the top of the piston of this engine is machined a spherical combustion chamber. During operation the injector sprays 95% of its charge onto the wall of this chamber in the form of a thin film. The remaining 5% is atomized. The compression stroke, which generates temperatures in the 900-1000 degree range, ignites this atomized charge, and the main portion of the charge is gradually vaporized by an air swirl created during the intake and compression strokes. Since the air swirl removes only the top surface of the fuel sprayed on the walls of this combustion chamber during the power stroke combustion is even and there is no detonation knock. Unfortunately, the LDS-427 was not entirely successful, and this led to the development of the LD-465 series of engines. Whereas the LDS-427 was turbo-supercharged, the LD-465 was a naturally aspirated engine. If you ever convoy behind someone driving a truck with one of these engines it is a memorable experience, as there is a voluminous cloud of black smoke at virtually all speeds. It is this smoke cloud that led to the development of the LDT-465-1. While the LDS-465 version of this engine was from the beginning turbosupercharged (as well as other internal changes) for additional power and used in 5-ton trucks, the turbosupercharger on the LDT was applied to reduce this exhaust plume. The LDT-465 produces only 4 horsepower more than the LD-465, but the power comes on quicker, and the exhaust plume is not as pronounced. At this point I will mention that I have seen it said in various books and articles that the LDS-427 were multifuel engines, but the LDT-465 series were not multifuel engines. I have not been able to find any information to support these statements. The nameplate on the engines say Multifuel, both series were produced under the M.A.N. license, the Technical Manuals all say multifuel, and the block, head, and piston designs are essentially the same. Therefore I believe both the LDS-427 and LDT-465 series to be Multifuel engines. The injection pumps on all of these engines except the early LDS-427 were originally equipped with a fuel density compensator, which varies the fuel delivery rate as fuels are changed or mixed. As built, no adjustments are changes are necessary to change fuels, and mixing of various fuels is permissible. In recent years, the fuel density compensators have been bypassed, and they are now tagged diesel fuel only, but instructions are included to reconnect the compensator. In practical terms, it is generally considered unwise to operate these engines on gasoline, and under no circumstances is av-gas permitted. I have burned diesel, kerosene, and Jet A in my trucks at various times, and can note no difference in engine or vehicle performance. Hope this helps, David Doyle From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Engines Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:48:37 -0700 Harmon Seaver wrote: I was amazed to see that they could run gasoline at all, so checked for compression ratio and the only spec I've found (and that not from a really authoritative source) for that was that it was 7.2:1 which seems entirely out of line. I'm amazed that they could run diesel with such low compression. Does anyone have any explanation of how this works at all? It seems like it would be an extremely inefficient diesel, even with the turbo. In fact, it might be even more efficient *with* a gas/diesel mix at that low of a compression ratio. Compression pressure is more important than the compression ratio. Adjusting the valve timing and turbo boost are two relatively simple ways of creating more internal pressure for autoignition, even with a low static compression ratio. Although it would be easier to crank when starting, 7.2:1 seems terribly low for a diesel, even with high turbo boost and little valve overlap, so I wonder if your spec wasn't a misprint. 17.2:1 sounds more appropriate, but I think it would probably grenade with gasoline in high concentrations. robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
They are certainly not cheap but then again they are permanent. B.r., David - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative The ones ive seen so far have been expensive, but that was a different route than brewers. Thanks for that David. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Keith, These are certainly cheaper than the ss ones. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative Ian, et al, Are you aware that there are sintered stainless steel air stones used by the beer and fermentation industries available. B.r., David http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#wash High-quality bubble stones for biodiesel washing -- instead of plastic these are sintered bronze and won't be affected by alcohol. Listed as sintered bronze muffler filters 40 micron. Sized form 1/8 to 3/4 pipe size fitting, $1.62 to $5.24 US plus SH. MSC Industrial Supply Co. Phone 1 800 645 7270. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for technical enquiries. (Found by Gene Hoxie, Sheridan Wy.) http://www.MSCdirect.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes
Corrected Web link: http://www.bioxcorp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:18 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes Hello, This Canadian company BIOX (http://www.bioxcorp.com claims they can make biodiesel in 10 minutes using additional ingredients. Does anyone know any other possible process to speed the reaction like this company? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim
Mike, When I purchased the methanol it was 99 , I used it a few times for one litre batches doing it the old way from the book From the Fryer to the Fuel tank. It worked fine for that.Then I read about this procedure and re-read and re-read until I felt comfortable enough to give it a go. During first stage I added just methanol after the initial heating of WVO. 1100 ml. first mix for five min. then added the 11 ml. sulfuric acid, mixed for 45 min. settle overnite. Next day heated first stage mixture added 1100ml methoxide and mixed for 45 min. I am not sure what you mean , did I stop reaction by adding methxide. exactly when do you mean add methoxide to stop reaction? Thanks for any help you can give so I can remediate . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [DIESEL] Engines
Nope, no ignition system. I had a couple of crawler tractors (IHC TD-9's) that started on gas, then switched to diesel once warmed up, but the M35 is straight compression ignition AFAIK. Nate Wall wrote: Possibly its a spark ignition w/ some type of fuel preheater that will vaporize heavier fuel. I've actually run a lawnmower on straight diesel after it got up to temperature on gasoline. It would not start again untill all the diesel was drained and gas put back in. --Nate -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engines
Check out this web site. Good luck. http://www.drms.dla.mil/ Jeremy --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't quite on-topic, but hopefully someone here might know: I'm shopping for a mil-surplus M35 6x6 truck. These have engines made by various truck engine manufacturers (but to the same specs) like White and Continental. They are turbo diesels, but called multifuel snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
Dear Friends, Since i replied to more than once to this egroup. I think almost everyone could have been infected. I searched by HD and surely enough, it was there. Pls. follow the procedure and get rid of this virus before you infect someone else. Thanks, Opps and Sorry Ken C. Subject: virus alert I HARDLY BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS, OR DO ANYTHING, BUT I TRIED, AND FOUND, THE CRITTER IN MY HARD DISK AND THE JUNE 1 THING SOUNDS REALLY SCARY SO JUST GIVE IT A SHOT. BASTI -Original Message- From: ISIDRO, Paolo R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: FW: virus alert To find it and get rid of it off of your computer, do the following: Go to the START button. Go to FIND or SEARCH Go to FILES FOLDERS Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends!!! DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Have a great day. I'm passing a virus notice which is supposed to wreck mass destruction on your hard drives come Friday and thought that it may be applicable to you since I have sent you an e-mail in the past couple months and may have inadvertently sent the virus to you. Just follow the instructions below. Please also forward this message to others you have e-mailed recently. Thanks and cheers, Anton *Please act URGENTLY. VIRUS could be in your computer files now, dormant * but * will become active on June 1. PLEASE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS BELOW TO * CHECK IF YOU HAVE IT AND REMOVE IT NOW. I FOUND IT AND REMOVED IT * TODAY. * Mazen * It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation * via * email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. .. * please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!! * I do not know how long it has been on my computer, but no Virus software * can * detect it. It will become active on June 1, 2001. It might be too late * by * then. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus * travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command' folder. To * find it and get rid of it off of your computer, * do the following. * Go to the START button. * Go to FIND or SEARCH * Go to FILES FOLDERS * Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. * Type in; SULFNBK.EXE * Begin search. * If it finds it, highlight it. * Go to 'File' and delete it. * Close the find Dialog box * Open the Recycle Bin * Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin * You should be safe. * The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you * have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies * have * found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends * DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT * IT * BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. * WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! * Have a great day - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1714636915-991205317=:99363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii FONT size=2 PGreetings everyone, /P PI'm passing a virus notice which is supposed to delete your files from your hard drives come Friday and thought that it may be applicable to you since I have sent you an e-mail in the past couple months and may have inadvertently sent the virus to you.nbsp; Just follow the instructions below.nbsp; Please also forward this message to others you have e-mailed recently./P PThanks and cheers,BRAnton/P P==/P PPlease act URGENTLY. VIRUS could be in your computer files now, dormant but will become active on June 1. PLEASE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS BELOW TO CHECK IF YOU HAVE IT AND REMOVE IT NOW. I FOUND IT AND REMOVED IT TODAY.BR/P PMazenBRBRIt was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation via email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. Please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!!BRBRI do not know how long it has been on my computer, but no Virus software can detect it.
Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally
We also have to make it in a certain level of quality for biodiesel to become acceptable. Ken C. At 03:22 PM 5/31/01 +0100, you wrote: Anyone making biodiesel or any of the other sustainable energy sources is already doing their bit to save the world. The next step is to shout about it and make yourself a damn nuisance. Like me, but it works. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Ian, How about attaching shower heads for nozzles instead of drilling holes. You can control the flow from the shower head. Ken C. At 05:30 PM 5/31/01 +0100, you wrote: Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode. Make the jets from 8 - 15mm copper pipe, drilled .05mm - 1mm diam, 5mm apart, in a really straight line. Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial entry holes. :) If the pump is too strong the water will pool on the surface (not good). Dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally
Ian, Depending on the country. If the country has a VAT(value added tax) system. Everything will be taxed from the source. Customs for imports and Manufacturers. Ken C. At 05:42 PM 5/31/01 +0100, you wrote: Prob is, most people prefer clandestine production. What is needed is a test case for the person who cares for their family, people and environment, making a small amount of fuel to fill his/her own car up. He/she lives in fear of being caught, but at the same time he/she pays the taxes on raw materials, pays it regulary on his/her wages (dohh, this his/her thing) ok, it, it -pays the road tax on its car. How can it be, a road taxed electric car can run on a british public road and pay no duty? or am i wrong here? But for oil you pay the duty, but this oil isnt fossil. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
Bravo! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel David Reid writes: ...At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do that, they're going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel
he wasn't discussing biofuel for resale. astm standards are difficult for home made fuels, and certifications are expensive. home made fuel made to our directions will not hurt an engine. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel Ken, I dont agree. The manufacturing process is fairly simple and is not expensive to set up. I believe all biodiesel that is being SOLD should be filtered and to an acceptable standard. What I wish to see here is not the exclusion of the small person but the exclusion of substandard manufacturing plant such as rusty drums, laundry tubs, and other grossly inferior equipment and materials which will lead to greatly inferior standards. For the sake of the industry some minimum standards are required. How would you feel if you just bought an expensive vehicle (remember vehicles in third world countries while they may be cheap by standards in developed countries still represent a heavy investment), and you then used biodiesel you purchased in good faith but which was grossly inferior which lead to the breakdown and damage to the motor? If the seller was able to walk away saying its not my fault he shouldnt have bought it in the first place I can tell you that you would feel pretty ripped off. For this reason minimum standards are required. I agree with you when manufacturing for your own use the standards dont have to be as high, but for onsale an acceptable standard must apply. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Standards for Biodiesel David Reid writes: ...At the same time I believe anyone who is manufacturing and selling for profit should have a moral and legal responsibility to produce and provide biodiesel to an acceptable standard. This is why I would like to see any manufacturer anywhere bound by minimum legal standards which can be upheld and enforced. That's why I'd rather not go for profit -- let the corporations do that, they're going to make the government regulate the hell out of it anyway (for their own benefit, of course!) We little people can stick with co-ops, pooling our own resources and labor to get cheap fuel for our own use. Any bigger than that and we'll be squashed.-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
I have contacts in the US version, not UK. Sorry. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus Anyone give me a contact within the Green Party Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
NO NO NO don't do it. that file is a necessary windows file. this is a hoax1 Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert Dear Friends, Since i replied to more than once to this egroup. I think almost everyone could have been infected. I searched by HD and surely enough, it was there. Pls. follow the procedure and get rid of this virus before you infect someone else. Thanks, Opps and Sorry Ken C. Subject: virus alert I HARDLY BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS, OR DO ANYTHING, BUT I TRIED, AND FOUND, THE CRITTER IN MY HARD DISK AND THE JUNE 1 THING SOUNDS REALLY SCARY SO JUST GIVE IT A SHOT. BASTI -Original Message- From: ISIDRO, Paolo R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: FW: virus alert To find it and get rid of it off of your computer, do the following: Go to the START button. Go to FIND or SEARCH Go to FILES FOLDERS Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends!!! DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Have a great day. I'm passing a virus notice which is supposed to wreck mass destruction on your hard drives come Friday and thought that it may be applicable to you since I have sent you an e-mail in the past couple months and may have inadvertently sent the virus to you. Just follow the instructions below. Please also forward this message to others you have e-mailed recently. Thanks and cheers, Anton *Please act URGENTLY. VIRUS could be in your computer files now, dormant * but * will become active on June 1. PLEASE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS BELOW TO * CHECK IF YOU HAVE IT AND REMOVE IT NOW. I FOUND IT AND REMOVED IT * TODAY. * Mazen * It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation * via * email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. .. * please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!! * I do not know how long it has been on my computer, but no Virus software * can * detect it. It will become active on June 1, 2001. It might be too late * by * then. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus * travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command' folder. To * find it and get rid of it off of your computer, * do the following. * Go to the START button. * Go to FIND or SEARCH * Go to FILES FOLDERS * Make sure the find box is searching the C: drive. * Type in; SULFNBK.EXE * Begin search. * If it finds it, highlight it. * Go to 'File' and delete it. * Close the find Dialog box * Open the Recycle Bin * Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin * You should be safe. * The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you * have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies * have * found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends * DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT * IT * BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. * WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! * Have a great day - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1714636915-991205317=:99363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii FONT size=2 PGreetings everyone, /P PI'm passing a virus notice which is supposed to delete your files from your hard drives come Friday and thought that it may be applicable to you since I have sent you an e-mail
[biofuel] HOAX!!! - SULFNBK.EXE
As per McAffee, the SULFNBK.EXE file is a requisite to operate MS Windows. All messages regarding the necessary deletion of this file relative to a June 1 activation date, or any date for that matter, is a patent mis-statement of truth (some may call it a lie). Again, this comes from McAffee themselves, not from some hippie dippie weather man lost in the ozone. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Doing what comes naturally
We also have to make it in a certain level of quality for biodiesel to become acceptable. Ken C. Used with care, the methods we have available now can produce a high-quality product. There are various test procedures in the archives. So, as Terry says, do and shout! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ At 03:22 PM 5/31/01 +0100, you wrote: Anyone making biodiesel or any of the other sustainable energy sources is already doing their bit to save the world. The next step is to shout about it and make yourself a damn nuisance. Like me, but it works. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
NO NO NO don't do it. that file is a necessary windows file. this is a hoax1 Hey, a spammer and a virus hoax all on the same day. All we need now is an unsuscribe. First solution: GET A MAC! :-) Second solution, gleaned from Windozers on other lists: Here's the info on this from Symantec. Check the whole thing out at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html The following hoax email has been reported in Brazil. The original email is in Portuguese; it is followed by an English translation. SULFNBK.EXE is being potrayed as a virus which the programs cannot detect. It is a Windows file that aids with long file names. Yes, as an exec file it COULD become infected someday. If yours gets infected, through careless or accidental behavior, likely your virus program will tell you, THEN. Do not delete this file. The effect will likely not be catastophic. But it's one more chore to have to take care of if you do. Fix for the virus hoax: (See www.mcaffee.com to verify this fix) In the event that the SULFNBK.EXE file was deleted erroneously, the following method may be used to restore the file from backup: -- Windows 98 Instructions -- 1) Click START - RUN, type SFC and hit ENTER 2) In the Specify the system file you would like to restore field, type C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\SULFNBK.EXE and hit ENTER 3) In the RESTORE FROM field, type in the path to your WINDOWS CAB files (ie. C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS) (ie. D:\WIN98 where D is the drive letter assigned to your CD-ROM) 4) Click OK and continue with the restore function -- End Windows 98 Instructions -- -- Windows ME Instructions -- 1) Click START - RUN, type MSCONFIG and hit ENTER 2) Click the Extract Files button 3) In the Specify the system file you would like to restore field, type C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\SULFNBK.EXE and hit ENTER 4) In the RESTORE FROM field, type in the path to your WINDOWS CAB files (ie. C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL) 5) Click OK and continue with the restore function Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert Dear Friends, Since i replied to more than once to this egroup. I think almost everyone could have been infected. I searched by HD and surely enough, it was there. Pls. follow the procedure and get rid of this virus before you infect someone else. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubblewash alternative
Simon Wells's airstone made from an 8-inch grinding wheel. http://veggiepower.org.uk/bubblewash.htm Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode, make the jets from 15mm copper pipe .05mm diam 5mm apart, really straight, Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial holes. :) If the pump is too strong and youve got mini whirlpools, dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] It Gets 78 Miles a Gallon, but U.S. Snubs Diesel
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/27/business/27DIES.html May 27, 2001 It Gets 78 Miles a Gallon, but U.S. Snubs Diesel By EDMUND L. ANDREWS with KEITH BRADSHER FRANKFURT, May 26 - To judge by the mileage it can get, the Audi A2 sounds like just the kind of exotic hybrid-fuel car that President Bush would want to promote with his new energy plan. The sporty new four-door compact has a top speed of 100 miles an hour. It can travel 78 miles on a single gallon of fuel and emits fewer greenhouse gases than almost any other vehicle on the market. Yet the A2 has at its core a technology that generates scorn in the United States: the diesel engine. The A2 is part of a powerful movement in Western Europe, where gasoline prices are often three times what they are in the United States. Diesel engines burn as much as 30 percent less fuel than gasoline engines of comparable size, and they emit far less carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, which have been implicated in global warming. After being disparaged for years because they were noisy, smelly, smoke-belching and sluggish, a new generation of much cleaner, more nimble diesel-powered cars is suddenly the height of fashion in Europe. Diesel engines powered 32.3 percent, or nearly one-third, of all new cars sold in Europe last year, compared with 21.7 percent in 1997. Analysts predict the share will rise to at least 40 percent by 2005. The contrast with the United States could not be more stark. Fewer than 1 percent of new American cars have diesel engines. And the gap is likely to widen, because American antipollution regulations severely restrict the sale of diesel engines, and American environmental groups are adamantly opposed to relaxing them. European environmentalists, while pressing for tougher standards, are far more accepting of the new diesel technology. A report commissioned by Congress and being prepared by a panel of the National Academy of Sciences bluntly suggests that the United States may be missing a big chance. According to a person familiar with the draft report, which is due in July and is being prepared with considerable secrecy, the panel will suggest that the surest, fastest way to improve the fuel efficiency of the American fleet would be to allow diesels to be a greater part of the landscape. President Bush has said that he is waiting for the report before deciding what, if any, changes to make in American fuel-efficiency standards for automobiles. But the panel is not expected to call for a change in the environmental rules. The person close to the panel said a shift toward diesel would require gigantic investment and would probably be a foreign- dominated technology. Harry Pearce, a vice chairman of General Motors until Friday, when he becomes chairman of its Hughes Electronics unit, said the company had no intention of investing in more diesel engines for the American market unless the air pollution rules change. We're denying ourselves the largest incremental step we could take to reduce American emissions of global-warming gases, he said. In Germany, home of Mercedes and Porsche and unlimited speeds on the autobahn, the average new car has improved its fuel efficiency steadily since 1990 and now gets about 32 miles a gallon. The average diesel car gets about 40 miles a gallon. By contrast, the average efficiency of new vehicles in the United States has deteriorated steadily over the period as ever more sport utility vehicles have been sold, and was just 24.5 miles a gallon last year. By all accounts, diesel technology has made a series of major advances in the last 10 years. The days are long gone when diesel engines spewed black smoke. The newest engines are almost as quiet and smooth as their gasoline rivals, and the telltale metallic knocking sounds have almost disappeared in some cars. Performance has also improved. The newest generation of pump-injected and common rail diesels offer better torque and acceleration than comparable-size gasoline- powered cars. The performance is fantastic, said Paul Schrder, a German physical therapist who is trading his old Audi gasoline car for a diesel- powered A2. My main goal was to save on fuel expenses. But I love to drive, and I wanted a car that would be fun. This car has great acceleration, and it is very agile. It really is a lot of fun. Mr. Schrder calculates that he will cut his monthly fuel bill by about half, partly because diesel fuel is cheaper and partly because of the new car's extraordinary mileage. Engines emit carbon dioxide and other gases implicated in global warming in direct proportion to the amount of diesel or gasoline they burn, so vehicles with more efficient diesel engines emit less of these gases. And today's diesel engines produce far fewer tiny soot particles than just seven years ago. As a result, European environmentalists and government officials have been much more comfortable
Re: [biofuel] Engines
Harmon Seaver wrote: I was amazed to see that they could run gasoline at all, so checked for compression ratio and the only spec I've found (and that not from a really authoritative source) for that was that it was 7.2:1 which seems entirely out of line. I'm amazed that they could run diesel with such low compression. Does anyone have any explanation of how this works at all? It seems like it would be an extremely inefficient diesel, even with the turbo. In fact, it might be even more efficient *with* a gas/diesel mix at that low of a compression ratio. Compression pressure is more important than the compression ratio. Adjusting the valve timing and turbo boost are two relatively simple ways of creating more internal pressure for autoignition, even with a low static compression ratio. Although it would be easier to crank when starting, 7.2:1 seems terribly low for a diesel, even with high turbo boost and little valve overlap, so I wonder if your spec wasn't a misprint. 17.2:1 sounds more appropriate, but I think it would probably grenade with gasoline in high concentrations. robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] US Energy Dept reviewing renewable fuels programs
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11018 Planet Ark US Energy Dept reviewing renewable fuels programs USA: May 31, 2001 WASHINGTON - U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham yesterday ordered a review of Energy Department research programs that promote renewable fuels to find out which ones are most effective. The review was called for under the Bush administration's new national energy plan, and will be conducted concurrently with a review announced last week of the department's energy efficiency programs. Abraham said the move will help determine funding for research programs that have a record of good results and are modeled as public-private partnerships. Environmental and consumer groups, along with many members of Congress, have criticized the Bush administration for proposing budget cuts of more than 50 percent for some of the Energy Department's research programs for energy efficiency and renewable fuels like wind, solar, hydropower and geothermal. A July 10 deadline has been set for the initial phase of the review, with the final phase to be completed by Sept. 1. In a related matter, Abraham announced that the Energy Department will combine resources with states to provide $40 million for 164 energy efficiency and energy renewable energy projects. The funds will improve the energy efficiency of schools, homes and other buildings and support electricity generation at or near the point of use. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cars fouling Asian air but high-tech offers hope
Uh-huh. What a crock of crap! Singapore's not bad, though no mention's made of the now-annual fog from the Indonesian timber industry's forest fires. Hong Kong ahead of the game? Bangkok has the best air quality? Gimme a break! High-tech solutions from those wonderful guys who gave us the problem in the first place. Hey! Hydrogen fuel cells = green vehicle technology. Wouldn't have anything to do with fossil fuels, would it? Biofuels aren't even worth mentioning. Yes, of course they're the best solution, but how do we rich corporations make money out of them? Where's the control? :-( Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11011 Planet Ark Cars fouling Asian air but high-tech offers hope SINGAPORE: May 31, 2001 SINGAPORE - Toxic emissions from vehicles are the leading cause of air pollution in Asia but stepped-up collaboration within the region and new technology for greener cars offer hope for a cleaner environment, experts say. Vehicle emissions pose a greater threat than industrial emissions as they are close to ground level and are constantly swirled in the air by passing traffic, Jitendra Shah, senior environmental engineer with the World Bank, told Reuters. According to the World Health Organisation, four to eight percent of all deaths in the Asia-Pacific region are due to air pollution. Stricter standards and better enforcement have cut airborne industrial pollutants in most of Asia, Shah said on the sidelines of a transport technology conference organised by DaimlerChrysler and Singapore's Economic Development Board yesterday. The number of vehicles has been growing in all of these cities and so the trend from vehicular emissions is generally up, Shah said. Even though the newer vehicles emit less, your base is getting much larger and the number of vehicles that are scrapped is relatively very low. In a bid to address air pollution issues in the region, the World Bank and Asian Development Bank launched the Clean Air Initiative in February with officials from eight Asian cities. Through a series of workshops, the programme strives to share knowledge and expedite pilot air quality projects. Singapore and Hong Kong were clearly ahead of the game, with Bangkok having the best air quality among developing Asian mega cities with more than 10 million people, Shah said. Much needs to be done if you look at the air quality trend in cities of Manila, Jakarta, Dhaka. It's not getting any better, he said. ZERO EMISSION CARS A SOLUTION Vehicle makers have been trying to tackle the root of the problem by creating low-and zero-emission vehicles. DaimlerChrysler, which previewed a working model of its zero-emission car at the conference, expects its new vehicles to land in selected customers' hands in California, Germany, Singapore and Tokyo in 2004. The hydrogen fuel cell uses compressed hydrogen gas and oxygen to produce electricity to power the car and water as the emission. But full commercialisation of the car will not take place until 2010, Dr Ferdinand Panik, a DaimlerChrysler vice president and head of the fuel cell project, told Reuters. To make something of the technology, to get feedback from the field, to stimulate the introduction of this (car) or the building up of this infrastructure - all these things have to go in parallel, Panik said. Building up the facilities to refuel the cars with compressed hydrogen gas will pose a major challenge, he said. DaimlerChrysler's fuel cell car generates 75 kilowatts of power, enough to run 15 households, hits top speeds of 140 km (87 miles) per hour and runs for about 200 km on one charge. But it takes up to three minutes to warm up. Tech-savvy Singapore hopes to drive the adoption of such cars, announcing initiatives to push the private and public sectors together and become a test bed for green vehicle technology. This programme...may eventually go beyond transport applications to include stationary power and other energy applications, Communications and Information Technology Minister Yeo Cheow Tong said in a speech to the conference. Story by Amy Tan REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] IEA says spray can propellant could be future fuel
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11025 Planet Ark IEA says spray can propellant could be future fuel UK: June 1, 2001 LONDON - An environmentally-friendly compound used as a propellant in about 10 billion aerosol spray cans every year could become a significant source of future energy, the International Energy Agency said yesterday. Dimethyl-ether (DME) is a clean fuel that can be made from natural gas, coal or biomass and could be used for power generation, domestic use and transport, the West's Paris-based energy watchdog said in a statement. DME has already attracted fans because of its clean properties. In Japan, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry intends to set an industrial standard that would make DME a fuel option for motorists within five to six years. In January a consortium of oil giant BP and Indian energy firms announced plans to build a natural gas processsing plant in India to produce one million tonnes a year of DME. DME is produced through gas-to-liquids technology and has properties similar to liquefied petroleum gas and can be used as a substitute for diesel and naphtha as it has no sulphur, nitrogen or metals. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels
Duhh... So THAT's what biodiesel really is! Yes, well, all jolly nice, but where are the independent tests that it doesn't cause coking problems, as with other veggie oils? There's the paper Hanns provided, but as he said the guy has an interest. With people using high blends (?) of apparently unpurified coconut and palm oil, we can expect more mechanical problems (see previous), and more manufacturers and insurers to refuse cover for biodiesel, even real biodiesel, since even Greenpeace is confused about which is which. And anyway, if you have to purify it, why not do the job properly and transesterify it? Then you can use any old oil you like and dispense with the expensive dinodiesel altogether, and no problems with breakdowns. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11040 Planet Ark Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels THAILAND: June 1, 2001 BANGKOK - Portraits of Thailand's king, already adorning almost every building in the country, could soon be helping to sell cheap, clean fuel at Thai gasoline stations. When King Bhumipol Adulyadej personally patented a palm oil formula at the beginning of May, many observers speculated a clean fuel craze could sweep Thailand. High oil prices and the lingering effects of an economic crisis were already persuading many Thais to explore palm oil, coconut oil and ethanol as cheap alternatives to diesel. But the highly revered king's stamp of approval could turn royal palm oil pumps into reality, green campaigners say. This is definitely a positive move, said Jiragorn Gajaseni, chief executive director of Greenpeace Thailand. Biodiesel hasn't been promoted by the government or other agencies, which are focusing on fossil fuels. With the king's interest, we will see much more emphasis on clean energies. Palm oil is extracted from the yellow fruit of the palm tree, which grows abundantly in countries near the equator such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Colombia and Nigeria. The oil is used mostly for cooking and making margarine and cosmetics. But the state-run Petroleum Authority of Thailand (PTT), which has been conducting tests for the king, says palm oil, when mixed with diesel, can also power vehicles. MAKE IT YOURSELF According to Sawang Boonyasuwat, executive director of the PTT Research and Technology Institute, with little regulation over what people put in their engines, the Thai public can easily copy the cost-saving formula. Crude palm oil prices are about eight baht (17 cents) at the moment, while diesel is 15 baht per litre, so this will be widely used because it's cheap, and people can make the fuel themselves, Sawang said. But we have to advise the public on the right formula to use. Sawang said research found a formula of one part crude palm oil to nine parts diesel did no harm to engine performance. If purified palm oil was used, its share in the mix could be increased to 30 percent. Some researchers say the petroleum industry is underplaying the benefits of palm oil in order to protect its own fossil fuel interests. Many people in southern Thailand have been using 60 percent palm oil mixtures for years in factory engines and vehicles, said Chatchawal Wat-Aksorn, an independent researcher with links to the king's alternative fuel projects. People respect the king and if he says something is good, they will trust it. It's good that he's coming out to promote alternative fuels, because the petroleum business is trying to protect their own business. Chatchawal said the king's patent would mean the palm oil formula would belong to the people and would help in marketing the fuel. LESS AIR POLLUTION FROM PALM OIL Greenpeace's Jiragorn said palm oil would cut down hazardous exhaust emissions, particularly carbon dioxide - one of the causes of global warming. Tests have shown there's less air pollution from palm oil - almost no carbon dioxide because combustion is more complete, less carbon dioxide than fossil fuels, and no sulphur emissions at all, he said. By reducing dependency on imported gasoline, palm oil also fits into the back to basics self-sufficiency philosophy Thailand's king put forward after a currency crisis rocked the country's economy in 1997. Palm oil is also very efficient because by-products (from the palm fruit) can be used for animal feed, said Jiragorn. And by using local products, we could see an increase in agricultural product prices and less dependence on international markets. The king's move has already brought a reaction from the Thai government, which has said it would ask PTT to assist with mass-producing palm oil fuel. Many politicians are also calling for a complete tax exemption for palm oil fuel. Malaysia, which accounts for more than half of the world's palm oil production, and Indonesia are also developing palm oil fuel. Sweden, Brazil, Australia, Canada and Mexico are using ethanol, which can be produced
[biofuel] Mazda to develop diesel engine for Europe--paper
http://auto.com/targetnews/articles/Automotive/05_31_2001.reutr-story- T135209.html Mazda to develop diesel engine for Europe--paper TOKYO, June 1 (Reuters) - Mazda Motor Corp 7261.T, Japan's fifth-largest carmaker, plans to develop a new fuel-efficient diesel engine for its European-bound mid-sized sedans and other vehicles by 2002, a Japanese newspaper reported on Friday. Mazda, owned 33.3 percent by Ford Motor Co , aims to improve its business in Europe with the new engine, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun said. No immediate comment from Mazda was available. Mazda will invest several billion yen to build a line at its Hiroshima plant in western Japan to produce the engine at an annual rate of 100,000 units, the newspaper said. The engine will be used in Mazda's mainstay Capella and Familia sedans, which are due for full remodelling in 2002, and the MPV and Premacy minivans, it said. Demand for diesel engine cars has been rising in Europe because they emit less carbon dioxide than gasoline engines. Rival carmakers such as Toyota Motor Corp 7203.T and Honda Motor Co 7267.T are also developing their own diesel engines for Europe-bound cars. Shares in Mazda closed at 302 yen on Thursday, after touching a year high of 368 on May 11. Copyright © 2001 Reuters Limited. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Saving energy by the negawatt
http://www.csmonitor.com:80/durable/2001/05/29/p2s1.htm TUESDAY, MAY 29, 2001 USA ENERGY Saving energy by the negawatt * Efficient products would offset need for new plants. But will Americans buy them? By Brad Knickerbocker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor ASHLAND, ORE. Although he wears Birkenstocks now and then, Carl Oates doesn't appear to be your typical eco-warrior. A member of the Greatest Generation, he flew bombers during the Allied invasion of Europe and then was an executive with Pan Am. But today, Mr. Oates is way out there in doing his part to fight the energy crisis. He drives a Toyota Prius with a gas-electric hybrid engine, getting twice the mileage of the typical American car. He takes pride in the fact that when he pulls up to a stop light, his tailpipe adds nothing to pollution or global warming. The national debate over energy policy brings renewed focus on conservation. Does it mean freezing in the dark, huddled in a Jimmy Carter-model sweater while watching your computer monitor flicker and fade? Or does it constitute relatively painless measures that could negate the need for hundreds of new power plants? Recent history shows that Americans - often criticized for being wasteful of energy - have made great strides. Since the first oil shock of 1973, the US economy has grown nearly five times faster than energy use, according to the federal Department of Energy. While gross domestic product (GDP) more than doubled over the past 20 years, energy use rose just 26 percent. Most of this improvement has come through the use of more energy-efficient appliances, buildings, manufacturing processes, and transportation. Much of this was prompted by a stick-and-carrot government approach of new standards and incentives. MAKING A STATEMENT: Carl Oates, of Ashland, Ore., displays his Toyota Prius, a gas-electric hybrid that gets twice the mileage of a typical car. PHOTO BY BRAD KNICKERBOCKER The key here, say energy experts, is understanding the distinction - psychological as well as actual - between conservation and efficiency. There is a stark difference, says Amory Lovins, founder and research director of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Snowmass, Colo. Conservation is a change in behavior based on the attitude, 'Do less to use less.' Efficiency is the application of technologies and best practices to eliminate waste based on the attitude, 'Do the same or more with less.' The big question now is, can the US sustain the recent trend in energy efficiency - producing more negawatts, as Mr. Lovins calls it? It's a question that drives the political debate in Washington, particularly now that Democrats - whose rhetoric, at least, tends more toward renewable energy and conservation - have control of the Senate. And it's an issue that apparently leaves American families conflicted. By a large margin (60 percent to 26 percent, according to a recent CBS poll), they prefer conservation over the increased energy production - coal, oil, and nuclear power plants - favored by the Bush administration. But Americans also continue to demand bigger homes and more electronic gadgets, not to mention those ubiquitous gas-guzzling SUVs. And for all its efficiency, as Nobel physicist Burton Richter pointed out in the Los Angeles Times last week, the US still uses 1-1/2 times as much energy per dollar of economic output as Western Europe and twice as much as Japan. Energy conservation and efficiency improvements are not only economically sound, they also have a huge potential to reduce the United States' long-term energy needs, writes Dr. Richter. After first seeming to downplay energy conservation and renewables, President Bush declared that our new energy plan begins with a 21st-century focus on conservation. Still, Mr. Bush's energy plan calls for at least 1,300 additional power plants - averaging a new one every six days - over the next 20 years. Whether those plants are built depends mostly on state and local politics, as well as public attitudes. Meanwhile, many analysts say there are ways to reduce the number of new power plants, using existing technology and requiring only modest personal efforts. The Alliance to Save Energy (a private research group formed after the Arab oil embargo of 1977) states that a combination of standards, building codes, and voluntary programs in the buildings sector can avoid the need for about 580 power plants. For example, according to the alliance, if each American household were to replace four 100-watt light bulbs with compact fluorescents, the equivalent of 30 new 300-megawatt power plants could be saved. Going ahead with the new 30 percent increase in air-conditioner efficiency standards (recently rejected by the Bush administration) would prevent the need for another 138 power plants. Investing in already-proven designs to make buildings more
[biofuel] Want Fries With That?
http://www.ocweekly.com:80/ink/01/39/a-coker.shtml A CLOCKWORK ORANGE Vol. 6 No. 39 June 1 - 7, 2001 Want Fries With That? by Matt Coker Listen up: the Orange County grand jury came out five weeks ago with a report that blamed restaurant grease for dirty beaches. The reasoning: sewer lines are so choked with greasy buildup that the shit that's supposed to flow through clogs up, shoots out of manhole covers and oozes into creeks, rivers and storm drains that empty into the ocean. Cut to Sacramento, where, in the wake of the energy crisis, Governor Gray Davis just issued an executive order allowing diesel-powered generators to be used in the event of electrical blackouts. Meanwhile, various entrepreneurs want to convert grease into diesel fuel. Such greasy diesel burns cleaner and fills the air with the pleasing aroma of McDonald's French fries. So we can hook the pumps right up to Mickey D's, reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, stave off the energy crisis, clean the beaches and fill the air with the pleasing aroma of McDonald's French fries?! 24-7?! Biodiversity rocks! Of course, someone's gotta, uh, crap on the whole thing. The California Public Interest Research Group (CALPIRG) on May 24 damned Davis for choosing diesel over cleaner alternatives. They apparently have a problem with diesel fumes causing death. Are you damn hippies paying attention? THE PLEASING AROMA OF MCDONALD'S FRENCH FRIES!! ON SECOND THOUGHT . . . CALPIRG took Springfield Nuclear Power Plant owner Monty Burns and his bundles of cash to Century City and Sacramento this week so he could thank George Dubya Bush for whoring nukes. All is forgiven, CALPIRG. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim
According to the formula, you should be adding half the methoxide after you have mixed in the sulphuric acid. Heat and stir the mixture after adding sulphuric acid for 50 min then stop heating let mix for 1.5 to 2 hours. Then add half of the methoxide mix for 5 min then let settle overnight. I believe the methoxide, at this point, stops the esterification process. The next day, heat up to 55 C and add rest of the methoxide to transesterify, turn off heat, and mix for 1 hour then let settle. You will see separation. IF you do not add the methoxide after the sulphuric acid the esterification process will not stop and you might get some reverse-esterification. Not good!! I also understand that the first stage isn't really necessary with pure veggie oil. Only really needed if there are animal fats in the solution (trans fatty acids). Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:26 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim Mike, When I purchased the methanol it was 99 , I used it a few times for one litre batches doing it the old way from the book From the Fryer to the Fuel tank. It worked fine for that.Then I read about this procedure and re-read and re-read until I felt comfortable enough to give it a go. During first stage I added just methanol after the initial heating of WVO. 1100 ml. first mix for five min. then added the 11 ml. sulfuric acid, mixed for 45 min. settle overnite. Next day heated first stage mixture added 1100ml methoxide and mixed for 45 min. I am not sure what you mean , did I stop reaction by adding methxide. exactly when do you mean add methoxide to stop reaction? Thanks for any help you can give so I can remediate . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] LHV of glycerin....
Hi to all, Does anyone know what is the LHV (Lower Calorific Value) of glycerin ? What is the real composition of glycerin coming from tranesterification process ? (is it pure glycerin or does it contain soemthing else e.g. traces of soap) jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
Keith, I have used my find File Utility to find the SULFNBK.EXE on my Win98SE CD, and its not on there.. care to comment?? John in Australia - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert NO NO NO don't do it. that file is a necessary windows file. this is a hoax1 Hey, a spammer and a virus hoax all on the same day. All we need now is an unsuscribe. First solution: GET A MAC! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
it's a compressed (CAB) file, it's not in that form on the cd. It's supposed to be in your c:\windows\command folder Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert Keith, I have used my find File Utility to find the SULFNBK.EXE on my Win98SE CD, and its not on there.. care to comment?? John in Australia - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert NO NO NO don't do it. that file is a necessary windows file. this is a hoax1 Hey, a spammer and a virus hoax all on the same day. All we need now is an unsuscribe. First solution: GET A MAC! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Another missed opportunity
are all double decker busses diesel (especially that age?) we have a few imported into NYC, and they have gas engines. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: [biofuel] Another missed opportunity As with the Green Party Battle Bus in the UK. This bus should also have taken the opportunity of using biodiesel. We should keep an eye out for these things. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Anuradha Mittal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Food First Anti-Poverty Bus Tour Kicks Off in Oakland Date: Sun, 27-May-2001 00:54:52 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MAY 29, 2001 CONTACT: Nick Parker, (510) 654-4400 ext. 229 Cell: (510) 469-5228 David Lerner/Shona Carter, (212) 260-5000 U. S. Representatives Barbara Lee, Nancy Pelosi, Pete Stark Earl Hilliard to Join Food First's Economic Human Rights Bus Tour Economic Human Rights Bus Tour Challenges California's Growing Hunger and Homelessness I'm a 71 year old disabled veteran and I'm homeless. I served my country well and now I do not have enough income to rent an apartment. I only get $700 per month for old age social security and I get $100 per month for fighting in the Vietnam War. That is not enough money to feed myself every day. - Freeman Davis, 71 Year Old Oakland Resident (Oakland, CA, May 29, 2001): After the country celebrates the Memorial Day on May 28, veteran Freeman Davis will testify on how the U.S. has abandoned the veterans before national and local policy makers on May 29, 2001, as they kick off the Economic Human Rights Bus Tour of California. The distinguished delegation will wrap up the tour in Salinas/Watsonville on May 31, 2001. On May 29, the delegation will visit a soup kitchen at St. Mary's Center; participate in a walking tour of low-income housing in Oakland, organized by Building Opportunities for Self Sufficiency (BOSS); a public hearing at the St. Maryís Center; and a public event, hosted by BOSS at the First Congregational Church. The delegation will explore the nation's growing homelessness and hunger and hear personal testimonies from the working poor excluded from the economic growth of the 1990's. The Economic Human Rights Bus Tour will travel to San Francisco on Wednesday, May 30, and then head to Salinas/Watsonville on May 31. The tour will highlight the dire need of policy initiatives that could have a real impact on the well-being of Americaís poor. Stops will feature personal testimonies around economic human rights violations from veterans, single mothers, immigrant farm workers and members of living wage, workerís rights and health care coalitions. The tour is calling for: 1. Adequate funding for a living wage, child care, health care, and education: 2. A reordering of federal priorities toward meeting the needs of our nationsí poor; 3. Recognition and implementation of economic human rights including the right to feed oneself, right to housing, and the right to just and fair conditions of employment. Supported by over 200 groups across the country and endorsed by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, the Economic Human Rights Bus Tour is organized by Food First/Institute for Food and Development Policy. For more information or to schedule interviews, please contact Nick Parker at 510-469-5228, or David Lerner at 212-260-5000. ### Join the fight against hunger. For more information contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus
Correction to the email that was sent out from here in my name. Mike Woodin is the current Spokesperson for the Green Party. Ray - Original Message - From: Ray Foulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus Here are a few email contacts - Craig Simmons is County Council green councillor, Paul Ingram is Oxford Central (City) green councillor and Mike Woodin is also a central Oxford green councillor and ex-spokesperson for the green party. All other green councillor email contact details can be found on www.greenoxford.com Craig Simmons - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Ingram - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Woodin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if you need any further information. - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Party Battle Bus Anyone give me a contact within the Green Party Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] mixing
Make your own continuous reactor! Oscillatory Flow Mixing (OFM) provides highly effective mixing in tube reactors by the combination of fluid oscillations and baffle inserts ... OFM is particularly suited to continuous processing. How it works, Research, Technology, Publications, and more, with diagrams and photographs. http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/groups/polymer/OFM_page.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A Tiger by the Tail
June 1, 2001 A Tiger by the Tail By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN (N.Y. Times Article) nd now for a wild prediction. Within 12 months President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and all their backers in the oil industry will be begging - begging - to revive the Kyoto protocol on climate change, the accord Mr. Bush yanked America out of after taking office. Why, you ask? Well, look what's happening in England. A group of celebrities there have joined with environmentalists to launch a boycott against Exxon Mobil gas stations, which in Europe go by the name Esso. Bianca Jagger, the pop star Annie Lennox and Anita Rodrick, founder of the Body Shop chain, helped launch the boycott because, as Ms. Jagger said, This is a way to tell Esso that it's not right for them to be claiming that there is no connection between CO2 emissions and climate change. People connected with Exxon reportedly contributed more than $1 million to the Bush campaign. Exxon is a key supporter of research and advertisements that try to cast doubt on the seriousness of global warming and its link to fossil fuel emissions. Exxon was a big backer of President Bush's decision to pull the U.S. out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which called for industrialized nations to steadily reduce their carbon dioxide emissions. Exxon is also a major force behind the Global Climate Coalition, a business lobby that opposed Kyoto. The Stop Esso Campaign is asking British drivers to shun Esso stations until the company supports Kyoto (see www.stopesso.com). The campaign recently spread to France. What's funny is that probably none of this would have happened had Mr. Bush not bowed to the oil companies and pulled the U.S. out of Kyoto. That may turn out to be his greatest gift to environmentalism. You see, as long as everyone was discussing how to implement Kyoto, no one wanted to take any radical steps. Governments could say they were working on the problem, but that negotiations were hard. Corporations could mumble nice words about environmentalism, but not worry anything serious was going to happen. And environmentalists could feel their cause was being advanced, even though implementation was far off. As long as Kyoto was there, everyone could avoid real accountability and pretend that something was happening, says Paul Gilding, the former head of Greenpeace and now chairman of Ecos, one of Australia's leading environmental consulting firms. But now George Bush, by trashing Kyoto, has blown everyone's cover. If you care about the environment you can't pretend anymore. Emissions are increasing, the climate is changing and people can now see for themselves that the world is fiddling while Rome burns. The result: Environmentalists refuse to sit on their hands anymore. Instead, the smart ones are mobilizing consumers to fight multinational polluters on their own ground. You have to admire it. It's so Republican - using the free market. If I were Exxon, I would be worried - especially when U.S. college students come back to campus in the fall. Remember Monsanto? It was going to sell genetically modified food to Europeans. But environmentalists in Europe - worried, rightly or wrongly, about the safety of what they were eating - mobilized the weakest link in the value chain: consumers. Consumers demanded G.M.O.-free food. So supermarkets demanded it from their suppliers, suppliers demanded it from farmers and farmers demanded it from Monsanto. Goodbye, Monsanto. This is real globalization activism. The smart activists are now saying, `O.K., You want to play markets - let's play,' says Mr. Gilding. They don't waste time throwing stones or lobbying governments. That takes forever and can easily be counter- lobbied by corporations. No, no, no. They start with consumers at the pump, get them to pressure the gas stations, get the station owners to pressure the companies and the companies to pressure governments. After all, consumers do have choices where they buy their gas, and there are differences now. Shell and BP- Amoco (which is also the world's biggest solar company) both withdrew from the oil industry lobby that has been dismissing climate change. What Mr. Bush did in trashing Kyoto was to leave serious environmental activists with nowhere else to turn but the market. The smart ones get it. You will be hearing from them soon - at a gas station near you. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert
Hi John Sorry, I know from Macs, I don't know from Windoze - as I said, I picked that stuff up from other lists similarly assailed, or rather worse. Doesn't it tell you what to do? Seemed more to the point was whether you had the file installed or not. Is it on your HD? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Keith, I have used my find File Utility to find the SULFNBK.EXE on my Win98SE CD, and its not on there.. care to comment?? John in Australia - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: FW: virus alert NO NO NO don't do it. that file is a necessary windows file. this is a hoax1 Hey, a spammer and a virus hoax all on the same day. All we need now is an unsuscribe. First solution: GET A MAC! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Virus warnings
Attachments are switched OFF on this list, which should mean you can't pick up a virus here. What you can pick up is a virus hoax. If/when you see virus warnings, usually marked URGENT!!!, don't, in your well-meaning concern, send it to all your friends and all the mailing lists you belong to, as the messages usually suggest. Check at McAffee and/or Symantec. Virus hoaxes seem to be more common than viruses. They waste a lot of people's time and a lot of bandwidth. Thanks Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels
Thanks Keith - Can't understand why the usual organisations and researchers are not jumping in to say not good, not biodiesel, not a good SRO (SVO) method. Everybody afraid to tell the Emperor no clothes? Ed B. PS: They'll need our new filter warmer to keep that stuff moving! Pictures soon, 12V, install on most filters... www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:00:02 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels Duhh... So THAT's what biodiesel really is! Yes, well, all jolly nice, but where are the independent tests that it doesn't cause coking problems, as with other veggie oils? There's the paper Hanns provided, but as he said the guy has an interest. With people using high blends (?) of apparently unpurified coconut and palm oil, we can expect more mechanical problems (see previous), and more manufacturers and insurers to refuse cover for biodiesel, even real biodiesel, since even Greenpeace is confused about which is which. And anyway, if you have to purify it, why not do the job properly and transesterify it? Then you can use any old oil you like and dispense with the expensive dinodiesel altogether, and no problems with breakdowns. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11040 Planet Ark Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels THAILAND: June 1, 2001 BANGKOK - Portraits of Thailand's king, already adorning almost every building in the country, could soon be helping to sell cheap, clean fuel at Thai gasoline stations. When King Bhumipol Adulyadej personally patented a palm oil formula at the beginning of May, many observers speculated a clean fuel craze could sweep Thailand. High oil prices and the lingering effects of an economic crisis were already persuading many Thais to explore palm oil, coconut oil and ethanol as cheap alternatives to diesel. But the highly revered king's stamp of approval could turn royal palm oil pumps into reality, green campaigners say. This is definitely a positive move, said Jiragorn Gajaseni, chief executive director of Greenpeace Thailand. Biodiesel hasn't been promoted by the government or other agencies, which are focusing on fossil fuels. With the king's interest, we will see much more emphasis on clean energies. Palm oil is extracted from the yellow fruit of the palm tree, which grows abundantly in countries near the equator such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Colombia and Nigeria. The oil is used mostly for cooking and making margarine and cosmetics. But the state-run Petroleum Authority of Thailand (PTT), which has been conducting tests for the king, says palm oil, when mixed with diesel, can also power vehicles. MAKE IT YOURSELF According to Sawang Boonyasuwat, executive director of the PTT Research and Technology Institute, with little regulation over what people put in their engines, the Thai public can easily copy the cost-saving formula. Crude palm oil prices are about eight baht (17 cents) at the moment, while diesel is 15 baht per litre, so this will be widely used because it's cheap, and people can make the fuel themselves, Sawang said. But we have to advise the public on the right formula to use. Sawang said research found a formula of one part crude palm oil to nine parts diesel did no harm to engine performance. If purified palm oil was used, its share in the mix could be increased to 30 percent. Some researchers say the petroleum industry is underplaying the benefits of palm oil in order to protect its own fossil fuel interests. Many people in southern Thailand have been using 60 percent palm oil mixtures for years in factory engines and vehicles, said Chatchawal Wat-Aksorn, an independent researcher with links to the king's alternative fuel projects. People respect the king and if he says something is good, they will trust it. It's good that he's coming out to promote alternative fuels, because the petroleum business is trying to protect their own business. Chatchawal said the king's patent would mean the palm oil formula would belong to the people and would help in marketing the fuel. LESS AIR POLLUTION FROM PALM OIL Greenpeace's Jiragorn said palm oil would cut down hazardous exhaust emissions, particularly carbon dioxide - one of the causes of global warming. Tests have shown there's less air pollution from palm oil - almost no carbon dioxide because combustion is more complete, less carbon dioxide than fossil fuels, and no sulphur emissions at all, he said. By reducing dependency on imported gasoline, palm oil also fits into the back to basics self-sufficiency philosophy Thailand's king put forward after a currency crisis rocked the country's economy in 1997. Palm oil is also very efficient because by-products (from the palm fruit) can be used for
