Re: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Actually, I think Bush must have gotten the idea as to how to explain the reason that it was still the right thing to have gone to war in Iraq, even though no WMD have been found, from Senator Kerry's speech in Congress of Oct. 9, 2002, in which Kerry said, I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavioris cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary... (Complete speech can be found in the Congressional Record) And to bring democracy to Iraq, of course. Bush simplified the words a lot: Bad guy, good war, bring good democracy to Iraqis. Or something like that. No wonder Bush snickers every time Kerry says he was tricked into voting to authorize the use of force. Hello All ; Congressman Ron Paul, in Ron Pauls' Freedom Report, March 2004 : Since no weapons of mass destruction or link to al Qaeda have been found in Iraq, the explanation given now for having gone there was top bring democracy to the Iraqi people. Yet now we hear that the Iraqis are demanding immediate free elections not controlled by the United States and our administration says the Iraqi people are not yet ready for free elections. THE TRUTH IS THAT A NATIONAL ELECTION IN IRAQ WOULD BRING INDIVIDUALS TO POWER THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT. Democratic elections will have to wait. Cheers. --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Email sent using Grand River Mutual's Web E-mail (http://www.grm.net) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] learning and connecting in the eco-fuels ind.
Hiya. My name is Yossi and I live in Vancouver. I am interested in getting involved in the bio-deisel industry. My strengths and experience include, networking, marketing, organizing and Co-operating. Specifically, I am interested in helping to produce and distribute bio-diesel in Vancouver, BC and learning as much as I can about the process and business of it. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Eventually, I hope to get funding for something like this or something related. I am currently involved with the Vancouver Re-newable Energy Co-op who are presently concentrated on Solar, but I think I would like to go more the eco-fuels route. I also have a vested interest in biodiesel. I have a big, very useful deisel van, Betsy, who is dying get some vegi oil into her. She already has two tanks with a switch, but I am not a mechanic so I need some help to complete the work and get her running clean and smelling like a chip truck. If anyone knows someone who can help me, I'd be grateful. Thanksh. I can also donate cargo service (ie picking up waste oil) Yossi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 604 254 0009. 604 779 8807. Have a great day. _ Enjoy 25MB of inbox storage and 10MB per file attachment with [1]MSN Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENCA/2746??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
I don't know whether there is actually going to be such a sale. It does strike me as strange that Iran should need NUCLEAR power when it has all the oil it needs for pennies on the dollar for its power needs. The U.N., not the U.S. or Great Britain, gave Israel to the Israelis in 1948. In fact, I'm not sure the U.S. even recognized this transaction. I don't know how much, if any, compensation was given to the Palestinians who got relocated. I am not even sure I agree that the U.N. should have given the Israelis this land. However, when you think about it, Israel is just a very small place on the map, yet all the Arab nations claim to fear them and their power? Why did, within a week of Israel's creation, did Arab armies defy the U.N. and attack Israel? You tell me; I don't know. What did the Arab nations have to fear from this one little colony in 1948? That is kind of like the rest of the United States fearing a little state like Rhode Island! Of course, Arab/Jew fighting wasn't anything new. It had gone on for centuries. And the British had been using their Mid-East colonies to defend and buffer them from Russia for centuries. But these Muslims didn't have to choose hate. They could be flourishing countries now if they hadn't succumbed to the lure of hate, using the unfairness of Israel to bring war and accumulate an expensive stock of weapons. They could have spent all their oil money on making their countries a paradise, instead of war-torn, hostile catastrophes. I can see why the Israelis would want to acquire the bombs. After all, doesn't Iran want Nuclear weapons? Didn't Iraq want them, too? Didn't Iraq lobe scuds (not true scuds, but they were made from Russian scuds) at the Israelis in Desert Storm? Yeah, I can see why the Israelis want bombs. And maybe the US isn't selling the bombs to Israel because it favors the Jews. Maybe it's because these Arab countries refused to take down their terrorist networks. srael also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures
[Biofuel] Biodiesel coop advice, excise taxes, EPA
Listers, This is my first posting to the list. I have been watching the list for some time and searching the archives. I need some help with a few questions. We are preparing to launch a small local Biodiesel co-op. We have made small batches of Biodiesel but a number of us have decided to combine our resources and make larger, more efficient batches. A 600 gallon mixing/washing tank will be delivered on Monday. We plan to use Methanol, KOH and a two tank method initially. A few questions: 1. If we produce Biodiesel for personal use do we still owe Federal and State excise fuel tax? 2. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of a co-op agreement that works? 3. Does the EPA monitor high volume users of Methanol? Thank you, Dan in Tulsa ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
Hi group. I noticed a posting from someone using SVO and Kerosene in a Genset. Anyone out there have info on WVO and Kerosene for vehicles? I have access to waste aviation kereosene unsuitable for use in turbines (has had water in it at one time) and easy access to WVO. The water can be easily separated from the kerosene, which makes it suitable for heating oil and hopefully, a replacement for diesel if it's lubricity could be inproved with WVO. Thanks Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] learning and connecting in the eco-fuels ind.
you can play in the big time, Ha! http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Tells you how to do it and also how to get started. Start at the top in order to get the gist of the process before moving onto full sized batches. If you don't understand why right now, you will. Do not cut corners on good equipment either. Get a good electronic scale and method of meassuring PH ( I prefer an electronic PH meter). You will need other thigs also: 99%pure methanol, Naoh or KOH as a catalyst. Isopropyl alcohol ( I use 99% from a pharmacy but apparently the rubbing stuff at 70% works.) Anyway, you get the idea. There are other things you will need as part of the set-up costs. The reactor system you decide on should be fumeless (no escaping methoxide fumes during processing). There are examples at the link above. Another consideration is the size reactor and wash system that will serve your needs. Things to consider. Luc - Original Message - From: Yossi Rouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] learning and connecting in the eco-fuels ind. Hiya. My name is Yossi and I live in Vancouver. I am interested in getting involved in the bio-deisel industry. My strengths and experience include, networking, marketing, organizing and Co-operating. Specifically, I am interested in helping to produce and distribute bio-diesel in Vancouver, BC and learning as much as I can about the process and business of it. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Eventually, I hope to get funding for something like this or something related. I am currently involved with the Vancouver Re-newable Energy Co-op who are presently concentrated on Solar, but I think I would like to go more the eco-fuels route. I also have a vested interest in biodiesel. I have a big, very useful deisel van, Betsy, who is dying get some vegi oil into her. She already has two tanks with a switch, but I am not a mechanic so I need some help to complete the work and get her running clean and smelling like a chip truck. If anyone knows someone who can help me, I'd be grateful. Thanksh. I can also donate cargo service (ie picking up waste oil) Yossi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 604 254 0009. 604 779 8807. Have a great day. _ Enjoy 25MB of inbox storage and 10MB per file attachment with [1]MSN Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENCA/2746??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel coop advice, excise taxes, EPA
Dan/All, Regarding taxes, as of today the word on the street is that the US Federal Excise tax incentive package just passed both houses so the industry is moving quickly these days for biofuels. That's the word on the street. Now seeking references. P. Wolfe --- holded [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listers, This is my first posting to the list. I have been watching the list for some time and searching the archives. I need some help with a few questions. We are preparing to launch a small local Biodiesel co-op. We have made small batches of Biodiesel but a number of us have decided to combine our resources and make larger, more efficient batches. A 600 gallon mixing/washing tank will be delivered on Monday. We plan to use Methanol, KOH and a two tank method initially. A few questions: 1. If we produce Biodiesel for personal use do we still owe Federal and State excise fuel tax? 2. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of a co-op agreement that works? 3. Does the EPA monitor high volume users of Methanol? Thank you, Dan in Tulsa ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio fuel replacement for heating oil
useful. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ Luc - Original Message - From: Simon Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio fuel replacement for heating oil Hi OK my self and my wife own a small holding in Somerset, we are trying to reduce our costs of living and reduce our impact on the enviornment at the same time, so making use of waste oil to run the Aga seems like a good idea if it can be done. We currently run our central heating on pallet wood that we get from the local plumbers merchant who gets a large number of one way only pallets that would otherwise end up in land fill. We also have a solar water heater and have made wind generators. At the moment our biggest non controlable (if we want hot water and cooking) cost is running the Aga. I have made biodiesel using the various recipies from the net but am trying to find out if anyone has any experience of making a replacement for heating oil (sec28 ). The problem I am facing is getting a fuel that is volatile enough to vapourise of the top of the concentric wickes used in the aga without geing so volatile that it burns down the wick. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Simon *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please contact the Wessex Water Support Centre email :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com *** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol
could get was 4.5 liters and I still have PLENTY of that left. I transfer it to a smaller (500ml)bottle and keep the bulk in a cool dark place. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've run into some trouble finding affordable sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol of 99% purity. Can anyone share some sources with me. I'm also researching opening a BD fueling station, or delivery service. I'm conducting this research for my Undergrad Thesis and hope to begin to supply BD in the DC metro area if it is feasable. Let me know if you have any valuable resources for me. Thanks David Hello David Why do you need bulk isopropyl alcohol? A 500cc bottle should last you a while, any chemical supply house should be able to provide you with that. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
diesel fuel?. Unisol. Tks, F. ~Leif --- Leif Forer Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop (919) 542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot
Florida's Secretary of State is beta-testing the online ballot for this year's election. The State of Florida is asking for volunteers to test the system to be sure it works right. To take part in this pre-election experiment (and roll on the floor laughing, maybe crying), go to... http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
kerosene (it also works with filtered WVO). Actually any diesel engine can run on kerosene since it is almost the same substance as diesel. From some workers at the airport here I heard several of them drive even on pure kerosene. For every four tanks of kerosene they haven driven they just fill up one time with diesel. Yves. At 01:19 15/10/2004, you wrote: Hi group. I noticed a posting from someone using SVO and Kerosene in a Genset. Anyone out there have info on WVO and Kerosene for vehicles? I have access to waste aviation kereosene unsuitable for use in turbines (has had water in it at one time) and easy access to WVO. The water can be easily separated from the kerosene, which makes it suitable for heating oil and hopefully, a replacement for diesel if it's lubricity could be inproved with WVO. Thanks Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Iodine Value
Hello Everyone, Is there any information on the Iodine Value of Corn oil anywhere in the archives? I've found the I.V. for other oils, but corn (miaze) wasn't among them. Help! Sincerely, Gregg Davidson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
the Zionists could set up their own state. Read the Balfour Declaration, as that is what that is all about. The UN, rather after the fact, ascended to an already-in-effect possesion of this land by the Zionists, and so, in May 1948 the political state of Israel was officially open for business. History then has recorded how that these same Zionists have not adhered to, or followed the guidelines set out by the Balfour Declaration but have encroached upon and outrightly stolen land and have been on a campaign of extermination of the Palestinian population that originally welcomed them. The Un sort of weak-kneed tried to stop this by formulating and adopting nearly 60 resolutions (the kind Saddam was sopposed to have broken) aimed against this Zionist barbarism only to see the USA step in as a permanent member of the Security Council and VETO EACH AND EVERY ONE of those resolutions making them nothing more than a paper record with no teeth. Thank you USA ! The US Congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC money (the guys involved in the latest spy scandal) in the form of campaign contributions, which in fact is nothing more than all those BILLIONS the US sends to Israel each year to help prop up this criminal venture coming back home to roost ensuring that Israel's future endeavours of continuing their quest for more and more land and less and less Palestinians goes unhindered. The US has also recently fitted Israeli submarines (Dolphin class)with nuclear cruise missles making it's public stand against WMD's in the middle east a sham and gross hypocricy, AND THAT IS WHY THEY HATE the US, it has nothing to do with freedoms (of which there remain precious few after Patriot 1-2). The US is hand on glove with the Zionist venture in the middle east and the only people who seem not to get it are the Americans themselves, but the rest of the workd isn't kept that mind-numbingly ignorant of what is really going on. The recnet oil grab in Iraq was not a uniquely American venture, especially when one looks at the cabal that is surrounding the White House's top echelon, all Zionists with duplicious loyalties and how that The Office of Special Plans (Douglas Feith at the helm, notable Zionist) was yused in conjunction with it's counterpart in Ariel Sharon's office to subvert normal intelligence channels and keep a steady stream of disinformation flowing back into the WH about WMD's in Iraq ect encouraging and formulating strategy for a criminal and murderous invasion of sovereign territory. The US has become a pirate nation, and no longer enjoys the legal or moral high road to anywhere. They are now exposed as puppets of the Zionist cabal (not the other way around) who do with them as they will. American blood flows so Israel can continue killing the innocent with the blessing of so-called christians in America. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see light, and the state of denial that has overcome a great portion of the American populace is slated to wake up only when it has ecome innexcusably too late. This idea that poor Israel is the world's geatest and only legitimate victim is also a sham. They are the world's geatest and most proliferate abuser of the innocent that has ever come along, and that is not IMO either, it is documented for those caring enough to do the slightest modicum of research. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel I don't know whether there is actually going to be such a sale. It does strike me as strange that Iran should need NUCLEAR power when it has all the oil it needs for pennies on the dollar for its power needs. The U.N., not the U.S. or Great Britain, gave Israel to the Israelis in 1948. In fact, I'm not sure the U.S. even recognized this transaction. I don't know how much, if any, compensation was given to the Palestinians who got relocated. I am not even sure I agree that the U.N. should have given the Israelis this land. However, when you think about it, Israel is just a very small place on the map, yet all the Arab nations claim to fear them and their power? Why did, within a week of Israel's creation, did Arab armies defy the U.N. and attack Israel? You tell me; I don't know. What did the Arab nations have to fear from this one little colony in 1948? That is kind of like the rest of the United States fearing a little state like Rhode Island! Of course, Arab/Jew fighting wasn't anything new. It had gone on for centuries. And the British had been using their Mid-East colonies to defend and buffer them from Russia for centuries. But these Muslims didn't have to choose hate. They could be flourishing countries now if they hadn't succumbed to the lure of hate, using the unfairness of Israel to bring war and accumulate an expensive stock of weapons. They could
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot Florida's Secretary of State is beta-testing the online ballot for this year's election. The State of Florida is asking for volunteers to test the system to be sure it works right. Whahahaha! Actually they had a monkey (a real live hairy one, not Bush) hack into the Diebold machine during a news conference lately, but the Orwellian controlled media didn't think it was note worthy enough to make any kind of splash about. It apparently is a fairly simple matter (evidently) of tapping two stealth spots on the screen and that opens up the program to tampering. Nice move Diebold ! And of course this wasn't built in by the makers of ultra secire ATM's and other secure systems taht actually DO leave a paper trail as backup. Of course this could be, from a staunch Republican supporter (Diebold), intentional for deniability's sake. Bush loses the election and claims the machines are faulty and cancels them, but that is only if he can't get away with outrightly stealing it again. Third option ? Another fake terror attack and the whole thing is off. National emergency and all that. What are the real world possibility that there will be an legitimate election in the US? Very slim.After all, there is that agenda to keep. Luc To take part in this pre-election experiment (and roll on the floor laughing, maybe crying), go to... http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] World Food Day: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [New from GRAIN] World Food Day: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating World Food Day: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating NEWS RELEASE For immediate release http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=253 When the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) celebrates biodiversity on World Food Day on October 16, Iraqi farmers will be mourning its loss. A new report [1] by GRAIN and Focus on the Global South has found that new legislation in Iraq has been carefully put in place by the US that prevents farmers from saving their seeds and effectively hands over the seed market to transnational corporations. This is a disastrous turn of events for Iraqi farmers, biodiversity and the country's food security. While political sovereignty remains an illusion, food sovereignty for the Iraqi people has been made near impossible by these new regulations. The US has been imposing patents on life around the world through trade deals. In this case, they invaded the country first, then imposed their patents. This is both immoral and unacceptable, said Shalini Bhutani, one of the report's authors. The new law in question [2] heralds the entry into Iraqi law of patents on life forms - this first one affecting plants and seeds. This law fits in neatly into the US vision of Iraqi agriculture in the future - that of an industrial agricultural system dependent on large corporations providing inputs and seeds. In 2002, FAO estimated that 97 percent of Iraqi farmers used saved seed from their own stocks from last year's harvest or purchased from local markets. When the new law - on plant variety protection (PVP) - is put into effect, seed saving will be illegal and the market will only offer proprietary PVP-protected planting material invented by transnational agribusiness corporations. The new law totally ignores all the contributions Iraqi farmers have made to development of important crops like wheat, barley, date and pulses. Its consequences are the loss of farmers' freedoms and a grave threat to food sovereignty in Iraq. In this way, the US has declared a new war against the Iraqi farmer. If the FAO is celebrating 'Biodiversity for Food Security' this year, it needs to demonstrate some real commitment, says Henk Hobbelink of GRAIN, pointing out that the FAO has recently been cosying up with industry and offering support for genetic engineering [3]. Most importantly, the FAO must recognise that biodiversity-rich farming and industry-led agriculture are worlds apart, and that industrial agriculture is one of the leading causes of the catastrophic decline in agricultural biodiversity that we have witnessed in recent decades. The FAO cannot hope to embrace biodiversity while holding industry's hand, he added. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: From GRAIN Shalini Bhutani in India [Tel: +91 11 243 15 168 (work) or +91 98 104 33 076 (cell)] or Alexis Vaughan in the United Kingdom [Tel: +44 79 74 39 34 87 (mobile)] From Focus on the Global South Herbert Docena in the Philippines [Tel:+63 2 972 382 3804] NOTES [1] Visit http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6. GRAIN and Focus' report is entitled Iraq's new patent law: a declaration of war against farmers. Against the grain is a series of short opinion pieces on recent trends and developments in the issues that GRAIN works on. This one has been produced collaboratively with Focus on the Global South. [2] Patent, Industrial Design, Undisclosed Information, Integrated Circuits and Plant Variety Law of 2004, CPA Order No. 81, 26 April 2004, http://www.iraqcoalition.org/regulations/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_La w.pdf [3] GRAIN, FAO declares war on farmers, not hunger, New from Grain, 16 June 2004, http://www.grain.org/front/?id=24 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Let's see, October 9, 2002. That would be when the phony intelligence still said that we would find WMD? Sure, nothing has changed in the two years since then, so you can still use that to explain anything, right? Bush--Stands firmly by what he believes, no matter how wrong he is proven to be. Brian Actually, I think Bush must have gotten the idea as to how to explain the reason that it was still the right thing to have gone to war in Iraq, even though no WMD have been found, from Senator Kerry's speech in Congress of Oct. 9, 2002, in which Kerry said, I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavioris cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary... (Complete speech can be found in the Congressional Record) And to bring democracy to Iraq, of course. Bush simplified the words a lot: Bad guy, good war, bring good democracy to Iraqis. Or something like that. No wonder Bush snickers every time Kerry says he was tricked into voting to authorize the use of force. Hello All ; Congressman Ron Paul, in Ron Pauls' Freedom Report, March 2004 : Since no weapons of mass destruction or link to al Qaeda have been found in Iraq, the explanation given now for having gone there was top bring democracy to the Iraqi people. Yet now we hear that the Iraqis are demanding immediate free elections not controlled by the United States and our administration says the Iraqi people are not yet ready for free elections. THE TRUTH IS THAT A NATIONAL ELECTION IN IRAQ WOULD BRING INDIVIDUALS TO POWER THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT. Democratic elections will have to wait. Cheers. --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Email sent using Grand River Mutual's Web E-mail (http://www.grm.net) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
Of course, they don't realize, or don't mention, the damage they are doing to their injectors and pump . Think lubricity! = = = Original message = = = On the journeytoforever website you will find info about mixing svo and kerosene (it also works with filtered WVO). Actually any diesel engine can run on kerosene since it is almost the same substance as diesel. From some workers at the airport here I heard several of them drive even on pure kerosene. For every four tanks of kerosene they haven driven they just fill up one time with diesel. Yves. At 01:19 15/10/2004, you wrote: Hi group. I noticed a posting from someone using SVO and Kerosene in a Genset. Anyone out there have info on WVO and Kerosene for vehicles? I have access to waste aviation kereosene unsuitable for use in turbines (has had water in it at one time) and easy access to WVO. The water can be easily separated from the kerosene, which makes it suitable for heating oil and hopefully, a replacement for diesel if it's lubricity could be inproved with WVO. Thanks Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
We are running almost straight wvo, with a bit of kero added on cold days to keep it from gelling. Your waste kero seems like a winner if it can be dewatered. Don't use a lot, just enough to thin the wvo somewhat. The injection system determines the amount needed. Our Detroit Diesel with it's pump within injector is very happy on cold veggie, but it has to be able to move in the hose. = = = Original message = = = Hi group. I noticed a posting from someone using SVO and Kerosene in a Genset. Anyone out there have info on WVO and Kerosene for vehicles? I have access to waste aviation kereosene unsuitable for use in turbines (has had water in it at one time) and easy access to WVO. The water can be easily separated from the kerosene, which makes it suitable for heating oil and hopefully, a replacement for diesel if it's lubricity could be inproved with WVO. Thanks Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Oct 20 Auction in Buffalo. Biodiesel ss tanks/ags.
Hello All ; Please see : http://www.henrybutcher.com/en/saledetails.asp?SaleID=4127 Bakery auction in Buffalo on Oct. 20. Several VERY nice stainless tanks 100 gal-850 gals with agitators and diaphram pums, controls. Check out site ref #39 (gorgeous), #97, #161 for starters. Wish I was local. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Partial-Birth Abortion President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand Asking for God's blessing on America President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Federal Judges President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. Overall Record President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton.
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Senator Kerry's speech in Congress of Oct. 9, 2002, in which Kerry said, I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavioris cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary... After he had outlived his usefulness in making war on Iran, murdering the local Communists, suppressing the Kurds, etc. Saddam must be feeling the force of the Earl of Strafford's exhortation, as he was about to have his head chopped off for outliving his usefulness to Charles I: Put not your trust in princes. Rumsfeld, Reagan and company were probably as guilty of the crime under the Nuremburg principles, of waging aggressive war on Iran in the 80's, as Bush, Rumsfeld and company are for waging aggressive war on Iraq. But, then, Nuremburg was for losers. Anyone who reads the Federalist Papers, the writings of Thomas Jefferson, etc,; will be aware that one reason that the U.S. Founding Fathers wished to avoid foreign entanglements and foreign wars, was that they thought that a constitutional republic could not not long exist in a state devoted to self-aggrandizement by war (except against the Indians). They were wise. As Jefferson put it, I tremble for my country, when I reflect that God is just. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
All I can say is that they are going to have parts breakage ( fuel pump, injectors, and anything else that is mechanical and deals with fuel moving through it). At very worst, they should use a mix based on 5 parts Diesel#2 to 1 part Kerosene. I never use more that 10% kerosene with Diesel #2 and I use about 1 qt SVO with the mix to help the lubrication.. Even my owners manual says that 30% kerosene should be used as a last resort, and 30 % kerosene should be the maximum amount used because it does not have the lubrication ability to prevent serious wear to the mechanical parts. I only use kerosene because I can not get Diesel #1, and I am at higher altitude with a naturally aspirated engine, so using strait Diesel #2 causes all sort of soot problems, due to the longer carbon chains, and lower Oxygen available at altatude. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Yves vd hoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 00:33 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene Actually any diesel engine can run on kerosene since it is almost the same substance as diesel. From some workers at the airport here I heard several of them drive even on pure kerosene. For every four tanks of kerosene they haven driven they just fill up one time with diesel. Yves. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot
A terrorist attack would be too risky for the Bush campaign, as the ONLY point that they have is that they have kept us safe. The real terrorists are too scared of what would happen if we had someone intelligent in office to do anything to mess up Bush's reelection, and the Bush campaign knows it wouldn't help them, so I don't expect anything to happen until after the election. I'm flying the week before the election, but sure won't travel anywhere in November. My prediction, someone who looks a lot like binLaden will be paraded in front of TV cameras on 10/30 or 31. On November 3, we find out that his identity couldn't be confirmed, Whoops, wrong guy! Of course, by then the election is over. Sorry America, you've been misled again. Brian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot Florida's Secretary of State is beta-testing the online ballot for this year's election. The State of Florida is asking for volunteers to test the system to be sure it works right. Whahahaha! Actually they had a monkey (a real live hairy one, not Bush) hack into the Diebold machine during a news conference lately, but the Orwellian controlled media didn't think it was note worthy enough to make any kind of splash about. It apparently is a fairly simple matter (evidently) of tapping two stealth spots on the screen and that opens up the program to tampering. Nice move Diebold ! And of course this wasn't built in by the makers of ultra secire ATM's and other secure systems taht actually DO leave a paper trail as backup. Of course this could be, from a staunch Republican supporter (Diebold), intentional for deniability's sake. Bush loses the election and claims the machines are faulty and cancels them, but that is only if he can't get away with outrightly stealing it again. Third option ? Another fake terror attack and the whole thing is off. National emergency and all that. What are the real world possibility that there will be an legitimate election in the US? Very slim.After all, there is that agenda to keep. Luc To take part in this pre-election experiment (and roll on the floor laughing, maybe crying), go to... http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iodine Value
Try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Under: Oils and esters characteristics Greg H. - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 03:40 Subject: [Biofuel] Iodine Value Hello Everyone, Is there any information on the Iodine Value of Corn oil anywhere in the archives? I've found the I.V. for other oils, but corn (miaze) wasn't among them. Help! Sincerely, Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Oct 20 Auction in Buffalo. Biodiesel ss tanks/ags.
heated space. Luc - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Oct 20 Auction in Buffalo. Biodiesel ss tanks/ags. Hello All ; Please see : http://www.henrybutcher.com/en/saledetails.asp?SaleID=4127 Bakery auction in Buffalo on Oct. 20. Several VERY nice stainless tanks 100 gal-850 gals with agitators and diaphram pums, controls. Check out site ref #39 (gorgeous), #97, #161 for starters. Wish I was local. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Trade in your bicycle on one of these
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/ New Navistar pickup towers over offerings from Hummer, Ford - Sep. 13, 2004 Truck maker will sell giant pickup Navistar starts marketing cement mixer-based truck that dwarfs the Hummer and the F-350. September 13, 2004: 3:07 PM EDT By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - For the driver looking for more in a pickup -- one that dwarfs the Hummer and the Ford F-350 -- Navistar has just the ride for you. The new CXT -- short for commercial extreme truck and built from the same platform as the heavy-truck maker's typical tow truck or cement mixer -- will be sold starting this week by Navistar's International Truck Engine subsidiary. At 258 inches, or 21-1/2 feet long, the CXT is about 4-1/2 feet longer than the new Hummer H2 pickup, and about 2 inches longer than the F-350 Crew Cab. But the way it really towers over what's on the road now is in height. At 108 inches, or 9 feet, the CXT stands only a foot below a basketball rim and more than two feet above the Hummer or the F-350. It's not going to fit into the standard garage, said Mark Oberle, a spokesman for Navistar, based in Warrenville, Ill., outside Chicago. We can see it as a vehicle for business people who want to make a distinct impression. For personal use, it's for people who want to make a statement. One statements: The buyer has a great deal of money to spend. The price for the CXT ranges from about $93,000 to $115,000 fully loaded, with such creature comforts as a DVD player and leather upholstery. Buyers will also have to have a fair amount of money to fill it up -- it's projected to get between 6 and 10 miles per gallon of diesel fuel. The vehicle weighs about seven tons empty and can carry another six tons in its truck bed. What Navistar doesn't see is the vehicle being mass-produced. It expects to sell only about 50 this year, and it doesn't expect the CXT to challenge the market niche of the H2 sport/utility vehicle, which saw sales of 34,529 units last year. By comparison, the Ford F-series, which includes everything from the nation's best-selling vehicle, the F-150, up through the F-350, had sales of 845,586 vehicles last year. Navistar first showed the CXT in March at the Mid-America Trucking Show, the industry's premier event. It has sold a few already and starts marketing the vehicle to the general public this week. But Oberle said he doubts the marketing effort will include television ads or other mass-market efforts. The vehicle will be available through International Truck's 345 dealerships, which operate 850 locations nationwide. Oberle said he couldn't say how many dealers will be ordering the vehicles. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Trade in your bicycle on one of these
LOL! Good one... Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:(...joke) http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/ New Navistar pickup towers over offerings from Hummer, Ford - Sep. 13, 2004 Truck maker will sell giant pickup Navistar starts marketing cement mixer-based truck that dwarfs the Hummer and the F-350. September 13, 2004: 3:07 PM EDT By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - For the driver looking for more in a pickup -- one that dwarfs the Hummer and the Ford F-350 -- Navistar has just the ride for you. The new CXT -- short for commercial extreme truck and built from the same platform as the heavy-truck maker's typical tow truck or cement mixer -- will be sold starting this week by Navistar's International Truck Engine subsidiary. At 258 inches, or 21-1/2 feet long, the CXT is about 4-1/2 feet longer than the new Hummer H2 pickup, and about 2 inches longer than the F-350 Crew Cab. But the way it really towers over what's on the road now is in height. At 108 inches, or 9 feet, the CXT stands only a foot below a basketball rim and more than two feet above the Hummer or the F-350. It's not going to fit into the standard garage, said Mark Oberle, a spokesman for Navistar, based in Warrenville, Ill., outside Chicago. We can see it as a vehicle for business people who want to make a distinct impression. For personal use, it's for people who want to make a statement. One statements: The buyer has a great deal of money to spend. The price for the CXT ranges from about $93,000 to $115,000 fully loaded, with such creature comforts as a DVD player and leather upholstery. Buyers will also have to have a fair amount of money to fill it up -- it's projected to get between 6 and 10 miles per gallon of diesel fuel. The vehicle weighs about seven tons empty and can carry another six tons in its truck bed. What Navistar doesn't see is the vehicle being mass-produced. It expects to sell only about 50 this year, and it doesn't expect the CXT to challenge the market niche of the H2 sport/utility vehicle, which saw sales of 34,529 units last year. By comparison, the Ford F-series, which includes everything from the nation's best-selling vehicle, the F-150, up through the F-350, had sales of 845,586 vehicles last year. Navistar first showed the CXT in March at the Mid-America Trucking Show, the industry's premier event. It has sold a few already and starts marketing the vehicle to the general public this week. But Oberle said he doubts the marketing effort will include television ads or other mass-market efforts. The vehicle will be available through International Truck's 345 dealerships, which operate 850 locations nationwide. Oberle said he couldn't say how many dealers will be ordering the vehicles. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Hallo , Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote: TW Election Voter Guide TW Depending on the way you lean, the following information TW could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. TW Issues of Importance? Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion. What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort. Happy Happy, Gustl TW Gay Marriage TW TW President Bush is opposed TW John Kerry favors TW TW TW Partial-Birth Abortion TW TW President Bush is opposed TW John Kerry favors TW TW TW Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools TW TW President Bush Favors TW John Kerry is Opposed TW TW TW Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout TW Leaders TW TW President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand TW John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand TW TW TW Asking for God's blessing on America TW TW President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches TW John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often TW TW TW Federal Judges TW TW President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our TW rights TW are derived from God. TW John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, TW anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking TW President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. TW TW TW Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ TW TW President Bush supports Gibson TW John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting TW possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the TW film. TW TW TW Overall Record TW TW President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on TW his TW publicly stated positions, would receive an
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Terry, This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes to solve their fossil fuel dependence. Where your posting goes awfully wrong is when it does a direct vote solicitation to the list, which actually upset me a great deal. It is also wrong to solicit active participation from list members to work with spreading political propaganda. It is also quite stupid and humorous to do it on this list, when the majority of the members are from other countries than US, but I will not hold that against you. LOL Hakan At 03:43 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote: Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Partial-Birth Abortion President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand Asking for God's blessing on America President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Federal Judges President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. Overall Record President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute 25,000,000 of these Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. If you want to help, please pass this on. If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Terry, This list is refreshingly open for all opinions and beliefs, therefore I am reading this with interest and have no issue with that the writer says what he believe in. It have some interest and can work the issues in both positive and negative way, assuming that the reader form his/her own opinion. This even if I think that Bush is the worst US president I have seen in my life time, 63 years, and have a track record that make more than 5,6 billion of the worlds population to hope for a refusal to give Bush a second term. I long for a more cooperative and reasonable attitude from the US government and would have hoped that enough Americans would feel the same. The world have quite substantial problems that must be worked on, to have a US president that show imperial attitudes to them and energy policies that would bring US to the edge of disaster. I think that US is going to have very large problems, stemming from their apathy when it comes to solve their fossil fuel dependence. Where your posting goes awfully wrong is when it does a direct vote solicitation to the list, which actually upset me a great deal. It is also wrong to solicit active participation from list members to work with spreading political propaganda. It is also quite stupid and humorous to do it on this list, when the majority of the members are from other countries than US, but I will not hold that against you. LOL Hakan At 03:43 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote: Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Partial-Birth Abortion President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand Asking for God's blessing on America President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Federal Judges President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. Overall Record President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute 25,000,000 of these Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. If you want to help, please pass this on. If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers
Appeal to Engineers - by V.K.DESAI We are living in the era of engineers. Progress of science and technology has created innumerable amenities for happy life. Much of the comfort and luxuries created by industrial progress is due to the dedicated efforts of thousand of engineers, technologist and scientist. Hence, there is no exaggeration in saying that we are living in the era of engineers of which Africa will come out as the strongest continent. But the industrial development as seen today is not so innocent. It has its black side also. Present industrial progress is associated with exploitation, disparity, unemployment, poverty, centralization, urbanization, pollution and wars also. Moreover, it makes our life more and more complex which gives rise to tension in our routine life. In fact, it encourages materialism and greed for luxurious life at any cost. So if we assess the industrial progress in totality, we have to come to the conclusion that its debit side far outweighs its credit side. This is particularly true for a country like India. Since centuries, we had the most scientific and well organized economic structure based on self reliant villages. Crores of people were living their simple life peacefully in villages. Most of the people had their own occupation. We have damaged this sound structure heavily in the name of industrialization. We have disturbed entire village lifestyle by exploiting masses by breaking their occupations and by concentrating wealth into handful of industrialists. This has created unemployment, poverty and disparity. At present our 50 crores of villagers are living miserable life worse than animals . They are so unfortunate that they have to sleep with their hungry stomach every day. They are victims of our so-called industrial development. I feel that real reason of undesirable consequences of industrial progress is because engineers are helpless to work for greed of money. We give more importance to our salaries and to our prospects for our personal happiness than to consider the impact of our work on society. I admit that after putting in hard labour for years together to achieve degree of engineering, we have right to expect something which may provide us comfortable life. But I have painfully observed that matter does not end there. Every type of greed has no end. Once engineer gets comfortable life, he expects more and more comfort and luxuries. We engineers, never think of the result of our work on society. We conveniently ignore the consequences of the industrial progress which we are making even after knowing that our efforts to manufacture certain machinery or goods or services will result in increasing exploitation, unemployment and poverty of masses. We are not paying any attention towards it. We are not accepting any responsibility of increasing evils of the industrial development. This leads to the conclusion to me that we are selfish for our own comfortable and luxurious life. To accomplish it, we are dedicating our entire intelligence and perseverance to foster the centralized industrial structure, sole purpose of which is to make profit by exploiting masses without any consideration of morality. In this way we are cooperating in the advancement or evils in the society. It is really deplorable that not a few engineers are found who will deny to work where their work is ultimately going to result into evident exploitation of masses. We must ponder over this horrible situation. We must try to find out why industrial progress results into horrible disparity giving handful of people too much luxuries and to millions of people only miseries. We must try to find out why the centralization of wealth and power takes place due to industrial progress. But I know that many engineers are not satisfied with their jobs. They know that their hard labour put for earning their livelihood results into the exploitation of masses. So they have discontent for their work. They feel pity for masses. They have sympathy for them. But they feel themselves helpless in the matter. They do not find any alternative. They desire to come out of the present situation. But they do not know how to do it. They feel some vacuum in their life. They feel lack of morality in their work. Hence, their conscience always rebel against their job. They are eager to help the poor people either by changing their job or by starting their own business. But they do not know how to do it. I have to specially appeal to such engineers. There are hundreds of scopes in the present day society for earning your livelihood and helping the poor people. These vast scopes are in villages. Although our decentralized rural economic structure has been severely damaged, it is not completely ruined. It is still living. It is repairable. I am optimistic that if thousands of Engineers pay enough attention to the real needs of villages and they vow to work for villages, within two decades only, entire village based
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Untrue. Kerry opposes gay marriage but favors equal civil rights (like health insurance, life insurance and medical decision making) for gay couples. Partial-Birth Abortion President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Flat out wrong. Kerry opposes a Partial Birth abortion, but believes any law banning it needs an exception for the health of the mother. This was made quite clear in the 3rd debate. Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed The supreme court has been quite clear on the issue of state sponsored prayer. The Establishment Clause forbids state-sponsored prayers in public school settings no matter how nondenominational the prayers may be. Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. Supreme Court 577 (1992). Thus, in opposing state sponsored prayer, Kerry is upholding the constitution he has sworn to defend, both as a navy officer and as a US Senator. With regard to *voluntary* prayer, John Kerry voted NO on an amendment proposed by Sen. Helms that would have cut off funds to schools that deny students the right to pray. This vote doesn't strike me as anti-pray but pro-education. If a local school board chooses to ban prayer in school, isn't that a community standards issue? Funny how states rights and local standards apply sometimes but not others. Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand This is much like the prayer issue above. Kerry is NOT opposed to the Boy Scouts position on homosexuality. In 1992, he voted against a Sen. Helms amendment that would have banned federal employees from giving to any charity that had withdrawn support from the BSA. I fail to see how voting against restraint of an employees choice of charitable giving is an anti-BSA position. Let me put it more simply; not voting to restrict the right of federal employees to give money to a charity *of* *their* *choice* supports the freedom the employee to do with his or her money as they please. It has nothing to do with the BSA. How would you feel if a democratic senator attempted to pass a law that prevented employees from giving his or her *own* money to any charity that supported Operation Rescue? It would be inappropriate restraint of free choice, no? Finally, it was a defense appropriations bill. What in god's name does charity giving have to do with national defense? Asking for God's blessing on America President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Mainstream press examples please. Kerry is a devout catholic; just because catholics tend not
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Greg Harbican wrote: I really hope this is a technology that can be scaled down for home use. I have several trees ( and bushes ) in my yard that are causing problems, that I would like to turn into Methanol. Greg H. I happened to see your reply in the archives. There was something mentioned in Alternatives to Fossil Fueled Engine/Generators by Clifford W. Mossberg http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodfire.html If your goal is to produce methyl alcohol (methanol) somewhere under the heading, Wood Gasification Basics Perhaps this is to controversial particularly regarding Direct Methanol Fuel Cells http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/fuelcells/fc_types.html - Original Message - University of Washington invents process to converts small trees to methanol 12-October-04 Source:The Spokesman-Review http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1289.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iodine Value
Thanks for the assist Greg. I just didn't look far enough. Yesterday was one of THOSE days. Gregg Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Under: Oils and esters characteristics Greg H. - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 03:40 Subject: [Biofuel] Iodine Value Hello Everyone, Is there any information on the Iodine Value of Corn oil anywhere in the archives? I've found the I.V. for other oils, but corn (miaze) wasn't among them. Help! Sincerely, Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iodine Value
I know, after I replied, I found out that something was clogging the sewer line between the house and the street, and so every thing going on upstairs was backing up into the basement.Lucky for me it would still drain even if it was very slow, and I caught it with in minutes of it starting to back up into the house. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:33 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iodine Value Thanks for the assist Greg. I just didn't look far enough. Yesterday was one of THOSE days. Gregg ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? sanctioning loving and lasting relationships President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors saving the life of women with crisis pregnancies President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors barring religious freedom and diversity President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed Federal Judges President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God. the problem is they aren't I. don't depend on mythology for my rights rather the constitution. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. actually, Kerry, like the constitution, favors religious freedom and diversity John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry. highly respected? neutral ? balderdash - Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers
Thanks for that. Mr Desai sent me one too, different, I was just going to reply to him, but this is a good idea, I'll post it here as well. The Tinytech Plants are featured at the Biofuels supplies and suppliers page at Journey to Forever (see Oilseed presses), but I'll beef it up now he's told me more about them, and himself. Below... see especially MY BASIC CONVICTIONS about halfway down. Regards Keith From : TINYTECH PLANTS Tagore Road, Rajkot - 360 002, INDIA Tele # 91-281-2480166, 2431086 Fax # 91-281-2467552 Mobile # 91 92 27 60 65 70 Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Website : http://www.tinytechindia.comwww.tinytechindia.com October 13, 2004 Attn.: Keith Addison / Midori Hiraga, I must congratulate for maintaining very good website with full of information relating to renewable energy. I am working for decentralized technology and also for renewable energy. TINY OIL MILL FOR GREEN ENERGY Our tiny oil mills working successfully in 52 countries (list in the website) for edible oil purpose is eminently suitable for making bio diesel from rapeseed which is grown in almost all European countries. So our tiny oil mill is most suited for all rapeseed farmers to extract oil from their own rapeseed and to make bio diesel from it. We understand that bio diesel made from rapeseed becomes 50% cheaper than fossil diesel in Europe. So our tiny oil mill can play very important role in making bio diesel in every farm and thus promoting green energy in Europe. TINY OIL MILL FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION If you run tiny oil mill with diesel engine instead of electric motor, you can run it with diesel engine in which rapeseed oil can be used instead of diesel. Only 5% oil produced from the tiny oil mill can be consumed in diesel engine to run the tiny oil mill i.e. if you run tiny oil mill for 8 hours time, you will crush one tonne of rapeseed which will give you atleast 300 liters of pure transparent oil out of which you can hardly consume 15 liters of oil for running the tiny oil mill itself. The rest of the 95% oil i.e. 285 liters can be used for cooking or for running the automobiles. Or you can run diesel generating sets which produces electricity by diesel engines and you can use rapeseed oil in diesel generating sets as fuel. So it can be a independent electricity plant. This means that if you have one tiny oil mill, you can produce sufficient rapeseed oil by which you can run the power station of 150 KW capacity by rapeseed oil as a fuel. DETAILS OF TINY OIL MILL Tiny oil mill consists of oil expeller (oil press), electrical cooking kettle with digital temperature controller, filter press, electric motor 10 HP, accessories and spare parts kit etc. It has crushing capacity of 3 tonnes in 24 hours. Only one person can run the entire rapeseed oil mill. Only 20 sq.mtr. space is required to accomodate the mill. Rapeseed can be crushed with cold process without heating it. But European winter is very severe and hence it is desirable to have electrical cooking kettle to heat the oil seeds initially if required. Capacity of oil mill can be increased by multiplying expellers. Oil is instantly filtered to give you pure and fresh transparent oil which anybody will praise as a best quality oil just at a glance. Our tiny oil mill is highly scientific, highly efficient and highly cheap also. So every farmer can afford to install tiny oil mill to crush his own rapeseed to get rapeseed oil which can be directly used in his tractors and automobiles. If the farmer has surplus oil, he can sell out in the market for automobiles i.e. for cars and trucks. Complete mill machinery is sent as a package and you have nothing to buy locally. We provide foundation frame readymade and you have not to make any foundation in the ground. So you can start the oil mill on the same day you receive the machinery (incase of electric motor). COST OF TINY OIL MILL The FOB cost of the tiny oil mill is Euro 5000/- which includes oil expeller, electrical cooking kettle with digital temperature controller, filter press, electric motor 10 HP, spare parts kit etc. If you desire diesel generating set it costs Euro 1200/- extra. We dispatch machinery within 3 days on receipt of payment. SOLAR COOKERS WIND MILLS We also manufacture solar cookers for families and communities. Our community cooker is a Scheffler Reflector of 11 sq. mtr. reflector size and it can cook for 100 people in 90 minutes. We are starting manufacturing of small wind turbines upto 5 kw capacity for electricity generation and for water pumping by compressed air. On our website, full information and photographs of machinery have been given. If you can suggest organizations of farmers who may be interested in making bio diesel by using tiny oil mill, I will be obliged. Regards, V K DESAI Managing Director. TINY OIL MILLS EXPORTED IN LAST ONE YEAR 4 mills to Senegal
Re: [Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers
Yes, I posted MY BASIC CONVICTIONS to our blog at www.green-trust.org yesterday. He's got some good ideals, and he's working them, instead of just talking them. Very admirable. I do like the products, but more so the philosophy. = = = Original message = = = Hi Steve Thanks for that. Mr Desai sent me one too, different, I was just going to reply to him, but this is a good idea, I'll post it here as well. The Tinytech Plants are featured at the Biofuels supplies and suppliers page at Journey to Forever (see Oilseed presses), but I'll beef it up now he's told me more about them, and himself. Below... see especially MY BASIC CONVICTIONS about halfway down. Regards Keith ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ?
Thanks Greg. Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Kerosene while very similar to Diesel #1, but, it is not diesel. It does not provide anywhere near the lubrication that diesel does. You can end up killing a diesel engine if you run it on nothing but kerosene. - Original Message - From: Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 20:31 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Hi Max: I have a few questions for clarification. Are you saying that you are running two of your petron engine cars on kerosine? Kerosene is actually diesel fuel no.1, right? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Part:1
Thanks Max, that is really enlightening. I'm looking forward to your next email. Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gasman Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Part:1 - Original Message - From: Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Hi Max: I have a few questions for clarification. Are you saying that you are running two of your petron engine cars on kerosine? Kerosene is actually diesel fuel no.1, right? And the dino-diesel we usually use is diesel no.2 which is less refined than no.1. So what you are saying is that you are running your gasoline cars on diesel fuel? If it is posible to run a gasoline engine with diesel fuel then it is also posible to run it on biodiesel. Please elaborate some more. I want to learn how you do it. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gasman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? On the 23th of September you wrote: Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown snip on the 3d of October, I among others, responded: Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). Max Gasman 4.10.2004 : Now, are you still interested in some observation I made, or do you want to describe your starting point? Otherwise I will start to respond to others, who perhaps have a different starting point. What am I schoolmastering ? ; first come, first served... Max Gasman Alright, Chris, as Phil seems to not come forward, you will get it! PART: 1 As Petroleum was found about ~150 years ago, one of the first uses was to distil lamp kerosene for lighting. ~100 years ago they started to distil motor kerosene, a distil fraction about 110 - 130¡ Celsius. This was before the Diesel motor had spread into larger acceptance around the world. (And the patents of Rudolf Diesel and MAN had run out). Lamp kerosene is a few fractions higher, and does not include but very little aromatic components, to be able to use it indoors. Motor kerosene, on the other hand includes far more aromatics and light volatiles, which can be recognised by its sweet-sour smell, when burned in an Otto motor. Until the '50ies, motor kerosene had its natural low octane value, and did not allow higher compression ratios than ~5:1. Compare Fordson tractors' 4,5:1 as well as boat motors. Modern motor kerosene was beefed up with lead (MBTE?), and allowed a compression ratio of ~7,5 : 1. One cannot start an Otto motor on motor kerosene, unless the motor is at least 60¡ Celsius. A cold motor has to be run warm on gasoline (petrol), before turning to kerosene. Motor kerosene has NOTHING to do with ANY grade of DIESEL FUELS ! (The nearest comparison would be aeronautic kerosene !) Despite this, some taxi drivers used to mix ~15-25% motor kerosene in their diesel fuel in the winter back in the '50ies and '60ies, before the WINTER GRADES where developed. But this was just an attempt to handle the PARAFFIN FALLOUTS, which stopped the fuel flow by clogging the lines and filters! The winter grades are deprived of sublimating paraffin, so the clogging is not a problem any more, to about -35¡Celsius, (POLAR GRADE goes still further). Now, about car use: In Finland it was allowed, for a brief period, between ~February and 30.6.1982, for a private person to re-register gasoline driven cars to be driven on motor kerosene (paraffin). At that time, two car factories did market motor kerosene driven cars in Finland. (Saab and Talbot). The monopolistic law protecting these factories, was turned over in the beginning of the year 1982, but the parliament re-wrote the law again in May, coming in force from 1.7.1982. Both these commercial car models for kerosene, had their intake air pre-heated by a motor coolant heating element (heating battery, like the heating element for the passenger cabin). The kerosene was also pre-heated by a small heat exchanger from the hot motor coolant. These cars had a compression ratio of ~7,5:1. This had the consequence,
