Re: [biofuel] RE: air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
An EV's has a far greater potential to leak acid or short and make the vehicle into a rolling welder or elephant sized cattle prod. Gelled or solid electrolytes can solve this problem. (I can provide pictures at request) Please. I also would like to see some of these pictures [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] the story on dyno-jell
I'm still looking for more details on the company but here is the script This is copy of a script on the dyno-jell story. I hope it is what you are looking for. I could not find the other story. (nats) Cordani-As soon as the powder gets out there it will turn into a gel until it grows and grows until its a thousand times its own size... THIS IS THE CHEMICAL. A SPECIAL POLYMER WHCIH ABSORBS MOISTURE. IT HAD BEEN TESTED IN THE LAB...NOW CAME TIME FOR THE REAL WORLD EXPERIMENT. (nat boat) (sot) We're hoping they'll spray it over the cloud and it will dissipate over the cloud. THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE A PLANE DROP OVER TWO THOUSAND POUNDS OF THE CHEMICAL INTO THE CLOUDS. IF IT WORKED, THE CLOUD WOULD BE CUT IN HALF, AND ALL ITS MOSTURE WOULD FALL INTO THE SEA. (sot) It'll be the first time in history a cloud will be dissipated or be absorbed. THIS WAS THE FIFTH TIME THESE RESEARCHERS HAD SET SAIL FOR THE OPEN SEAS. PETER CORDANI HAD BEEN LOSING SLEEP...HIS BUSINESS NEEDED A SUCCESSFUL RUN...AND LATELY, THERE HADN'T BEEN A LOT OF CLOUDS. (sot) Cordani - A little bit frustrating, it's been five days, and mother nature has been taking us apart. SO THE DYNO-MAT TEAM GAVE IT ANOTHER RUNTHEY HAD TO COORDINATE BETWEEN THEIR BOAT AND A CROP-DUSTER TAKING OFF FROM THE PALM BEACH AIRPORTAND ONCE THEY SPOTTED THE PLANE..THE RUN WAS ON...ALL THEY NEEDED WAS THE PERFECT CLOUD. THE PLANE DID SEVERAL FLY-BY'S BUT FINALLY SETTLED ON A CLOUD IT COULD HIT. (nats) THE PLANE DUMPED SEVERAL LOADS..AND THOUGH HARD TO SEE..YOU CAN TELL THE CLOUD IS SLOWLY BEGINNING TO DISSIPATE. AFTER ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, THIS IS ALL THAT'S LEFT. SEVERAL DARK CLOUDS, FLOATING REMNANTS OF A ONCE MIGHTIER PIECE OF SKY...THE TEAM WAS ECSTATIC. (nats) the clouds are gone, aren't they? THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THIS CHEMICAL CAN BE USED IN STORM CLOUDS, IDEALLY THOSE FOUND IN A HURRICANE. THE TEAM STILL HAS PLENTY OF TESTING LEFT TO DO...BUT THEY HAVE GRAND GOALS FOR THE CHEMICAL WHICH THEY SAY CAN CUT THROUGH CLOUDS. (sot) dutton - With testing like this, we're all very excited...coastlines around the world. Assistant News Director WAVY-TV/WVBT-TV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Microprocessing of soybean oil to biodiesel
Sorry for all the questions I'm an engineer not a farmer. I'm trying to gain a better understanding of the governments role in preventing food surplus and trying not to affect gross market value in the process. Cheers, Cordain Dulles, VA Okay I'm stupid but with people starving how can we have a food surplus? presumably you are referring to a marketing surplus of food which drives the prices down. Christopher S Weller Norfolk VA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Sierra Club Mutal Funds (thought Ya'll might like to see this
July 20, 2001 Sierra Club Considers a Mutual Fund By JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr. ASHINGTON, July 19 - The Sierra Club, the oldest, largest and most influential environmental advocacy group in the country, wants to start a mutual fund using its well- known name to attract individual investors' money into the shares of companies that meet the club's strict standards for environmental performance. The move would open a new front on Wall Street in the club's efforts to fight industrial pollution and could raise significant amounts of money for its operations, like lobbying the government for policies it supports. The fund's manager, an outside financial firm yet to be selected, would choose stocks from a list of companies that the Sierra Club already uses for its own multimillion- dollar portfolio. The club's investment screen uses criteria that are more restrictive than those commonly used by other mutual funds marketed as being environmentally responsible, said Carl Pope, the club's executive director. For example, the fund would probably not invest in an oil company that was working hard to comply with all environmental laws, even if its operations were cleaner than all other oil companies, because the best oil company is not very good, Mr. Pope said. We have a reputation for being pretty hard line, he said. The club is adopting an approach pioneered last year by the Humane Society. The society joined Smith Barney to set up a fund that would exclude meatpackers or other companies that sell animal products, manufacturers of hunting equipment, and pharmaceutical companies or others that use animals in laboratory testing. But the Sierra Club exerts its influence over a much broader political landscape, and its move raises several intriguing questions. Would the club's board, which is elected by its members, be able to veto the fund's holdings? (Yes, for example if a company previously on the approved list was named in litigation brought by the club.) How many of the club's 650,000 members would invest substantial amounts in such a fund? (The answer will help determine the club's income, which would depend on how big the fund gets.) And, finally, how would the club spend its earnings? Mr. Pope said the money could pay operating expenses like salaries, rent and phone bills as well as some of its political activities. It could lobby Congress with the money, but not contribute it to candidates' campaigns; it could advertise in favor of energy conservation or against oil drilling in wilderness areas, but not advocate voting against candidates who disagreed. A recent tax court decision allows the club to earn royalties tax free under Section 501(c)4 of the tax code, which governs its operations. After a year of internal discussions, the club's board in May ordered its staff to solicit proposals from Wall Street fund managers to operate the mutual fund. The fund would charge investors the customary fees and pay royalties to the club for the use of its name and its proprietary investment screen. The club would not have to invest money in the fund, and would be guaranteed an income whether the stocks held by the mutual fund went up or down. But several board members remain hesitant, according to minutes of their meetings, and the board will not grant its final approval until it sees what terms financial firms are willing to offer and it surveys members on the idea. Louis Barnes, the club's chief financial officer, told the board that the fund might earn the club $1 million a year within five years. The club's budget this year is about $60 million, about a third of it spent on influencing public policy. In the year leading up to the 2000 election, the club mounted an $8 million campaign called its Environmental Voter Education Fund. The club, whose offices on Capitol Hill have become so crowded that the staff is spilling into temporary space nearby, is stepping up its lobbying in Washington to defeat the environmental proposals of President Bush. The club endorsed Al Gore in the last election. While it focuses on lobbying on energy, forests and similar issues, the club has also been pouring money into lobbying Congress to pass campaign finance legislation that has passed the Senate but stalled last week in the House. The preliminary work on the new mutual fund was done by the firm Harris Bretall, which manages the club's own substantial portfolio using the same screening criteria that the mutual fund would employ. Another firm, Investment Counseling Inc., prepared a draft request for proposals to circulate on Wall Street. Several investment firms have emerged as potential managers for the fund, staff members told the board. At a May 2 meeting, board members said they saw several advantages to the fund. This can influence corporate behavior, and some corporations might want to change their policies to be part of the fund,
[biofuel] Dyno Jell
I Know that this is not a biofuel but I thought some of you might want to hear about this. Fox 43 (WVBT) in VA Beach Va just ran a news article last night about Dyno-Jell (sp)this is a powder that the company Dyno-Jell (sp) from Florida is make that absorbs moisture out of the air (i.e. clouds)they want to use it on tropical storms to take a pie shape piece out of the forming TS so that it folds in on it self (no moisture no strength) supposively the material dissolves in salt water and is totally biodegrade able. More to come as soon as I find the company and or a contact with said company. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model American.........
Personally I think the Model American is the keep up with the Jones got to make more money so I can buy more stuff on credit as long as I have my Cable TV and a Full Belly every thing is Fine why mess with the system because they're not messing with me type of person. These are the same type of people who don't vote because it doesn't matter any way then complain about how the gov runs things Instead of trying to change things. I personally am a member of several different groups(numerous) receive about 600 emails a day that I read (not counting the junk and Spam) try to learn as much as I can so that I can 1. be Self Reliant 2. Spread the Word to like minded people 3. ask the right questions to Public Officials (to include my representatives in gov.) and get the ball rolling 4. help teach and guide the young people in my neighborhood 5. keep the bad elements out of are family orientated neighborhood (i.e. no hookers,drug dealers,etc.) 6. Vote knowledgeable [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] UK Duty on Bio ( home made or not)
James wrote I'm a bit confused. In answer to a question about the UK duty on Biodiesel I was told that... Tax will be reduced to 20p below the prevailing rate on ULSD with effect from April 2001. I've since been told however that the law will come into effect in April 2002 and that the reduction will be 25.8 pence. Can anyone please clarify? Are they charging duty on home made or whats made elsewhere and sold at a pump? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] was: Cheek to Complain now :its whosawhatits
ed Breggs wrote You need an updated version of Fuller's Dymaxion with a Yanmar and some electric hub motors. A whosawhatits? are these sold in the US [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO Bandits ; )
K wrote (e.g., anyone with manicured nails and really expensive clothes is NOT going to be cooking up their own biodiesel and DOESN'T need to know the details.) There is a time for revolutionaries to make a big stink, and also a time to band together while still remaining under the radar.now you may all FIRE WHEN READY! :-) I agree with you to a point My wife a receptiontist and full to paralegal student has very nice clothes and mancured fingernails but she'll help me work on the car (grease up the wazu) she works her own garden (about a 1/4 of an acre) and shes not afraid of a hammer and nails. but keep up the the selection process it seems to have worked well so far Christopher S Weller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] House Heater
5.In side the heater the oil flow in to a bowl which we light off with a piece of tissue paper (this is what the instruction recommend) So this is not the type of fuel oil furnace with a pump that atomizes the fuel and sprays it into the combustion chamber? No it just flows into the bowl and is ignited from there with the tissue or the already burning oil The reason I was asking is there is a lot of sot and it can't be good for the Environment Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Not being Vindictive
Keith Addison wrote So anyway, he's realised the error of his ways and successfully unsubbed. But I don't feel inclined to leave it at that. I don't like the list to be threatened that way. He needs a bit of hounding. He'll lose his ISP now, and I'll try to get his ID posted as an abuser. Not being vindictive, but the Internet is an incredible public resource, and users like this who don't know how to behave have to be taught or they'll spoil it for everyone. Bravo Bravo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Commonwealth of Virginia ,US gas tax
The Virginian-Pilot The Road Warrior 4565 Virginia Beach Blvd. Virginia Beach, Virginia 23462 United States E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] June 28, 2001 As per the Virginian-Pilot (local newspaper) people who buy gas in Virginia pay the following in taxes tax breakdown per gallon 18.4 cents federal 17.5 cents state 1/2 cent Virginia Petroleum storage tank fee there are no local taxes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] House Heater
if that melts your butter, but you can use motor oil that comes from oil changes for nothing... even so it still doesn't help me help the environment which is what I'm trying to do with out sending my self to the poor house You see I'm one of those families that where discussed (family 4 9.00/hrs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] House Heater
Hello Everyone 1.I have a gravity feed oil heater (we use no2 dyed kero) (only heater in house besides elec space heaters) 2.My tank is 100 Gal. (approx) and is mounted outside on stilts 3.We use 1 tank per 2-3 months to heat the house 4.there is a flow regulator on the heater it self (settings off 1-9) setting 1 keeps the house hot 5.In side the heater the oil flow in to a bowl which we light off with a piece of tissue paper (this is what the instruction recommend) 6. the heater is only turned on for a few hours a day (winter) because it puts off so much heat 5am -6am (wake up showers kids ready for school etc.) 2:30pm - 3:30pm ( kids come home from school) 11pm-1am (to keep the house warm for the night) 7. we live in south-eastern Va (Hampton roads area) snow whats snow would the type of heater be a candidate for a biodiesel and would there be any thing I should change [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] epa to issue air rules to protect park
E.P.A. to Issue Air Rules to Protect Park Vistas By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE ASHINGTON, June 21 - The Bush administration is preparing to issue rules on Friday to clamp down on old coal-fired power plants that are the chief culprits in the haze that has spoiled the vistas in many national parks and wilderness areas, leaving the worst blight in Acadia National Park in Maine and the Great Smoky Mountains National Park in Tennessee. A spokesman said today that on Friday, Christie Whitman, administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, would issue the proposed rules written almost exactly as the Clinton administration wrote but did not enact before President Bill Clinton left office in January. The rules will be published in the Federal Register, beginning a 60- day period for public comment before they are adopted in the fall. Mrs. Whitman said three weeks ago that she would not oppose the Clinton rules. Part of the president's commitment to protecting national parks includes protecting the views that draw us to these parks year after year, she said then. But over the years, haze and pollution have eroded these vistas. But the White House wanted to review how the rules would affect the nation's energy supplies, and many environmental groups worried that this would give the administration a chance to weaken them. An administration official said today that the Environmental Protection Agency had determined that the effect of the rules on the nation's energy supply, energy prices and reliance on foreign supplies would be insignificant, a conclusion that the utilities are almost certain to challenge as they face hundreds of millions of dollars in expenses to cut their emissions. Environmental groups hailed the proposed rules today as a major step toward helping to improve visibility in the national parks, although they reserved final judgment until the rules are adopted. If they want to do the right thing, they still can, said John Stanton, an air-quality specialist in the Clinton administration and now vice president for air programs at the National Environmental Trust. But if they want to gut the rule, they still can. The rules come at a time when national polls show the public is increasingly concerned over Mr. Bush's commitment to the environment because of what the public sees as his ties to the oil and gas industries and his rejection of the Kyoto agreement, an international treaty on global warming. The most recent New York Times/CBS News poll showed that 46 percent of people disapprove of President Bush's handling of the environment, while 39 percent approve. Environmentalists argue that Mr. Bush essentially had no choice but to adopt the Clinton rules, in part because the national parks are too popular with the public to risk neglecting. They also note that while air quality in some parts of the country has been improving, parks including Shenandoah in Virginia, the Great Smoky Mountains in North Carolina and Tennessee, and Acadia in Maine have had deteriorating air quality. Acadia has recorded worse smog than Boston or Philadelphia. Congress determined in an amendment to the Clean Air Act in 1977 that the national parks deserved special protection. The rules call for improving visibility in the parks by 15 percent per decade for the next six decades and achieving a pristine level of air quality by 2064. The rules cover 26 sources of pollution, including power plants, municipal waste incinerators, copper smelters and pulp mills, but the agency has identified power plants as the biggest source of the problem. The rules cover power plants that were built from 1962 to 1977 and emit more than 250 tons of pollutants like sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide every year. The Edison Electric Institute, which represents the utilities, estimates that 580 units (there may be more than one unit at a power plant) will have to be upgraded. Any plant that meets the other criteria and can be identified as contributing to any pollution that limits visibility in any national park is covered by the rules. Because of meteorologic patterns, the offending plants are all over the country, not just near national parks. Pollution particles can travel as far as 1,000 miles. For example, at Acadia National Park, the view of Penobscot Bay is often obscured by smog that includes particles emitted by Midwestern power plants. There is no state that is clearly out of this program, said John Kinsman, director of air quality programs for the institute. The Tennessee Valley Authority faces one of the biggest clean-up tasks. One of the smoggiest parks is the Great Smokies, the most-visited national
[biofuel] Tom who?
Keith Addison wrote But there are good resources for them now, if they go to the right places they won't go far wrong. When we first made biodiesel about all we had to go on was one and a half pages by Tom Reed (which got us there, us and many others). Things are rather different these days. Okay still playing ketchup to the rest of ya'll Who is Tom Reed and where can I find this page and a half Big City Boy trying to get back to the basic with an 8 year looking over my shoulder telling me what to do [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] program that convert things (ie torr - atmosphere)
example of results for convert.exe 750.062 torr = 1 bar 760 torr = 1 atmosphere 760 torr = 76 centimeters of mercury 760 torr = 1013250 dyne/centimeters2 760 torr =29.92126 inches of mecury [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Automotive Alternator as a Windpower Resource
Sorry I'm behind in my reading kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. Have to finish my paper Automotive Alternator as a Windpower Resource first.Auto alternator will work well if you replace the regulator and place diodes external to unit. If you are going to remove the voltage regulator why not just use a ford alternator (gen) and not add the volt regulator Chris PS i would like to read the paper if at all possible [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Climate Change
With all this talk about different factors of climate change has there every been a study on the effects of black tops (i.e. asphalt roads and parking lots ) on the heat I'm sure all that heat that is put off has to create some kind of thermal daft over a city if nothing else? Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Help!
Where would be a good place for a city boy to start researching this type of fuel as far as getting to they swing of things All helpful references such as books, web sites etc for the beginners is what we need . My 8 (yes I said 8) year old is the person who start this environmentally friendly path my Family has recently started to walk upon and they say that a journey of a 1000 miles begins with but one step Help me PLEASE Newly Recruited Treehugger Christopher S Weller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
