Re: [Biofuel] Cars and Biofuel
Hello, I'm not sure exactly what info you're looking for, but perhaps this link will help. http://www.gobiodiesel.org/diesel-vehicles.html It's just a list of manufactured diesels since 1960. Nothing about what measures are needed to run BioD with them tho. Hope it helps, John Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:59:26 +0200 From: ReZn0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Cars and Biofuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Hi all, This is my first mail to the list, so hello everybody :) I was looking in archives and arround the web for a list of tested car engines with and I can?t found it. Is there any list or web where this appears?? Many thx in advance Regards REZn0r ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] info needed
Dear Rumen, I believe the link you're looking for is: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2005/050824.htm I found this to be very interesting as well but unfortunatly not enough so that I found out anything more (yet). If you do find out more specifics, I, as well as others in the list I'm sure, would appreciate your letting us know. G'luck, John Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] info needed To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, Dear Keith, There was a message in the list about a scientist,who patented a process to produce bio-plastics from glycerin.I think it is very important discovery regarding environmental situation and therefor,with my deep apologies,could you point me to the link,please? Another one:Has anyone worked with carbonated lay?I know,I have to make test batches,but any working results will be welcome. Best Regards, Rumen ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Keith, Thanks for this answer and all the other information/answers you seem to find the time to provide everyone (how did you manage to get 36 hour days to get done all that you seem to accomplish?). You hit the nail on the head, I wasn't picturing 2 tanks for the methanol process. Here goes the setup and hopefully with success on this something a little more permanent. Regards, John Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:33:09 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Hello John Greetings, I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself hanging on a couple of points. First off I'm just going with something that resembles the 5gal processor listed on JTF to start. The problem is that I'm not grasping the process in handling the methanol and lye properly. The idea of forcing air into the methoxide tank thus forcing methoxide out other tube into processor makes sence. I just dont see where/how the methanol and lye are measured and placed into mixing container to begin with. Use translucent HDPE containers for mixing methanol and mark them at the required volume. Use the air pump to pump methanol out of the container it comes in into the mixing container to the required volume. Weight out the lye (or KOH), we measure it out into plastic bags on the scales (adjusted for the weight of the bag) so that there's minimal exposure to the air and moisture in the air. Then add it to the methanol mixing container. Opening the lid for this purpose won't expose you to fumes as the methanol is at room temperature and it's not being agitated. We use a funnel made from the top of a 2-litre PET bottle (the kind you buy water in) to pour the KOH in from its plastic bag. Mix it this way: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Then pump it into the processor with the air-pump. So, I'm looking for pointers on how others measure and handle these to get them into mix tank. Additonally, I'm not sure what to use for heating element (electric at this point) so would appreciate any insight on this as well. With the 5-gal processor type you're more or less confined to electric heating, those cans don't last very long with an open flame under them. You can only use an open heat source for pre-heating the oil anyway - no more open flames as soon as there's any methanol involved. Maybe a heat exchanger would do, but that would probably be a bit of a hassle in only a 5-gal can. Get a submersion heating element, stainless steel, about 1.5 kw should do or maybe less. Try to get one that fits (unlike ours!). Best wishes Keith Thanks, John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Greetings, I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself hanging on a couple of points. First off I'm just going with something that resembles the 5gal processor listed on JTF to start. The problem is that I'm not grasping the process in handling the methanol and lye properly. The idea of forcing air into the methoxide tank thus forcing methoxide out other tube into processor makes sence. I just dont see where/how the methanol and lye are measured and placed into mixing container to begin with. So, I'm looking for pointers on how others measure and handle these to get them into mix tank. Additonally, I'm not sure what to use for heating element (electric at this point) so would appreciate any insight on this as well. Thanks, John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada's secret biological weapon WAS Iran's Nuclear Program
and is widely favored by most in the US. In fact the US is still willing to pay well for his departure but Tony Orlando is holding out for a better rate on his shoes. Many view the proposed export of Mr. Cruise as nothing more then an evil ploy by a people desperate for revenge to the attempted Canadian musical invasion of the 80's and 90's (note: the 70's are exempted from this as it's known worldwide that Rush and Neil Young were fantastic). While nobody is sure what turns these interesting stories will take, it is clear the US is still not massing troops near the US/Canadian borders but rather favoring it's ongoing economic and socialogical approach to northern domination (French excluded). Actually, much 3 for Canadians, John John I wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:02:34 -0400 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:37:35 -0500 From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a fellow human being. Put yourself in their place for a second (empathy). They are pleading for help even though you think they might not deserve it (have mercy). That's what drew me to this list in the first place; sharing information freely to help each other. We generate a synergy of ideas here greater than any one person. If my reactor catches fire because I made a stupid mistake, should I be dropped from the list? What I feel when I read your posts doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry. I also find it hard to critisize someone for not planning contigency meals (or more) in case of an emergency when they may have a tough time planning or providing the very meal they'll eat tonight. As it's been said, it's hard to go when you have no means to go, so you're stuck. It's horrible and I can only imagine that fealing of helplessness. That being said, I find it hard to catagorize all the victims as victims. There is something to be said for the idea that most have chosen that's where they'll live rather then being forced by virtue of economics or other. It's been said more then a few times in the list on this subject how questionable it is to live below sea level next to the sea... and in a known hurricane area to boot. Past that, I think it's quite reasonable, and should be encouraged, to present contigencies or various ideas in this group. I suspect that many of the affected by this storm will not approach life in the same way just as do many who survive a disaster of this sort. Then again, many just rebuild and continue as they were and hope it doesn't happen again, complacent per the norm. I commend Greg for trying to be prepared and looking after the wellfare of himself and his family. I suspect that he's shared his views of survival with others, others that may well be saved by such advice. It's only too bad such a voice hadn't been heard by more of the affected. Either way, whether by their own fault or not, my heart goes out to the many who are suffering over loss of home, life, certainty. I'd like to wish that a storm like this will never happen again, but we all know it will... somewhere, sometime. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and April Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and the like ), and make preparations for them. Like I said in another post: I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them selves and still got into trouble. BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone else to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a case of beer, than a bus ticket.. Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 min warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not live below a dam. If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to find out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then take the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a million chance actualy happens. If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have a chance of getting flooded.If you live within 50 ft of sea level near a coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. Empathy?My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed.Not for someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water that could save their life. 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as a case of beer. If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect help after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off putting the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer. With a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to put together, I have put several together for my family. If I had to leave the house: I can with 5 min
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 03:02:27 -0400 From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed In captions on news photos of Orleans: White people who were carrying boxes were 'scavenging'. Black people who were carrying boxes were 'looting'. It's theft no matter who's doing it... I haven't noticed any difference in coverage between which race is stealing. That's not to say you haven't or that there isn't something wrong with it when you have. Both the white scavengers and the black looters were collecting stuff that was certain to be a complete write-off for whomever owned it before. Who cares if a wet TV ends up in someone's new cardboard home? I care on several levels! If it goes to that persons insurance when it wouldn't have then it affects all other insurance ratepayer(of that company/govt). Despite what the anarchists may say, there is something to be said for the rule of law. If it was your store or home being looted I doubt we'd see you there handing the stuff out since it's covered anyway. Robert Heinlein (I think) once said, The punishment for stupidity is death. If you're seeking consumer electronics instead of water, food, and medicine, the Darwin effect is sure to get you. When some poor fool gets caught with a few joints, more than once, we toss him in prison for a long mandatory sentence, often evicting some rapist or murderer who wasn't mandatorily sentenced. When some rich fool gets caught defrauding 300 million people, we re-elect him. No doubt! It sickens me to see that rich get a slap on the wrist or evade prosecution all together. When fined only a small percentage of the take so when that 1 yr stay at club fed is over it's back to the Ritz disgusting. Ok, that's my rant for the evening, g'night all. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 10:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim, You and Greg are not the only ones who feel that way. I am just getting caught up on the day's email, and I found that I agree more with you two that most of the others on this particular topic. If I lived in a disaster-prone area, like Southern Louisiana, Florida, Southern California or even Seattle/Tacoma area, I would certainly prepare for the worst. I also do not condemn the people who attempted to help themselves. In fact, I do feel sorry for those souls who did evacuate (or tried to) and now do not know where their homes are still standing or have been stripped clean by selfish looters. I would gladly open my home to someone in that situation, whether I knew them well or not. For those who stayed behind against the warnings of the weather experts (including the non-governmental ones), state and local governments, don't worry, the Fed's will come in and bail you out as they always do. I just hope that the local police get a copy of the news tapes showing the faces of those looters carrying TVs DVD players out of the abandoned stores. What do you need a TV for when the power is expected to be out for weeks or months? It would be nice to see some prosecuted. Thanks, Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today. - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have
Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:49:17 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Frieda, There are lawyers out there that HAVE worked with the little guy/girl against the big renderers. You may talk to one. I learned that the restuarant should give you a receipt for the grease you collect. In some states, it is illegal for anyone who is not a (state) registered renderer to collect WVO. ie Michigan. Hello, I've been searching through the State (of Michigan) License Search d'base and I can't find any such license requirements. Could you please shed some light on the specifics for me as that's my state. The closest I could come up with was for a Rendering Plant: Required State License(s): Any establishment that reduces dead animals to tallow and meat scraps, cracklings, or other items unfit for human consumption by cooking or processing must be licensed as a rendering plant by the Department of Agriculture, Animal Industry Division; (517) 373-1077. Revised: 12/2002 This specifies animal products (allbeit I dont know what a crackling is besides what's seen on certain Detroit corners) so I dont see this as pertaining to WVO collection/processing. I see another regarding liquid industrial waste, quite broadly stated as: Liquid Industrial Waste Hauler Required State License(s): When transporting liquid industrial waste from the premises of another contact the Department of Environmental Quality for further information (800) 662-9278. A Motor Carrier license is required with the Public Service Commission, Department of Labor Economic Growth at (517) 241-6030. However, hazardous waste transporters who have appropriate authorization may transport liquid industrial waste without obtaining a license. Revised: 5/2005 Since this is exempted by a hazmat license and seems to cover general transportation rather then rendering issues it doesn't seem to be applicable either. Past that the only other license I can see that would be even remotely conected to BioD production is: Diesel Fuel Dealer Required State License(s): When involved in the business of selling and delivering diesel motor fuel to the supply tanks of motor vehicles in Michigan should be registered with the Department of Treasury, Motor Fuel, Cigarette Miscellaneous Taxes Division; (517) 636-4630. Diesel tanks also should be registered with the Department of State Police, Fire Marshall; (517) 322-1924. Revised: 4/2005 It's 2nd paragraph that's of more particular intrest since they want the registration of tanks. I assume this whole lincensure is specific to petrolium based diesel but since it is broadly stated I dont know that as fact. Any legal insight to this or other BioD/WVO related issues (even if not specific to Michigan) would be of great intrest. Thanks, John Perhaps you could become a blue ribbon licensed WVO renderer on the state books? Check into what it would take. The renderers should have a contract with the restaurant maybe? Otherwise they are way out of line. The restuarant owner should tell the renderer to take his grease bin and stick it where the sun won't shine. For the renderer to claim that the restuarant is helping you cheat fuel taxes, is bizarre, but it's even more bizarre that in the same statement that the renderer would claim that the restuarant is responsible for your fuel road tax is the stupidest thing that I have heard of well, since this Pat Robertson thing just popped up... Just my two cents... Good Luck Frieda and keep us posted on how this works out. Surely we will be seeing more run in's with renderer in the near future. Best Regards, Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) -- next part -- Hello all, The rendering company (company that collects used restaurant fryer oil), issued angry verbal threats to the Mom and Pop burger joint that gives me their used fryer oil. The restaurant puts their used fryer oil into my buckets, and I schlep it away. The renderers told the restaurant that it was illegal for them to give me their used fryer oil. They demanded that the restaurant give them my name and phone number. The renderers said that it was illegal for people to use fryer oil, or any other non-petroleum product, for fuel without paying a fuel tax to the state and feds, and that the restaurant was responsible to see that that tax is paid since it is their oil that is being used as a fuel. They also said there is legislation about to go through the California senate that supports their allegations. Thoughts? Thanks, Frieda
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:20:41 -0500From: Garth Kim Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowedGreetings,If you can tell me how to educate people who do not want to learn, I will do so. I was extremely active in Literacy Volunteers of America for 12 years. I worked as a trainer in the Brazos Valley and I tried to run a literacy council in Bedias, where the illiterate rate is over 40%. We had free tutors available to anyone who wanted one, guess what? No students! The bank and the post office were telling people that free lessons were available, but still no students!We live our philosophy, in big letters and out front. We are trying very hard for a truly sustainable life and hope that as our place comes together, people will ask how we are accomplishing this, but you can not make people with no interest learn. We are slowly getting questions about the health of our animals and grass, but when we explain, they laugh and tell us that won't work. The evidence is in front of them, but we must be lying or something.I am on-line, and although I haven't had time lately, I do regular rants about sustainable living, especially about sustainable farming on this list. Look in the archives. I own and run 2 yahoo lists, both of around 400 people. One on sustainable building and one on renewable energy. Plus the 20 other lists that I am on and active, sharing what I know and have learned and learning from others. If that is not being out there trying to teach, I don't know what you want.Bright Blessings,KimHello all and Kim, If the sustainable building list is open I would be interested in joining. Please send along more info. Thanks, John__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re: The New Blue States/Country
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 3Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:45:33 +0200From: Hakan FalkSubject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowedDale,It is difficult and 2% is a very high value. European countries have a 1 %goal and several of them give around 0.8% of GDP. For most Europeancountries, it is a true 0.8% with little hooks, like that they have tospend the money in purchases from the donor Country.US give 0.2% of GDP and have spending rules, which forces US purchases.Even if you consider that US GDP is 1.5 to 2 times higher than manyEuropean countries, the US aid is less than half of most European Countriesper capita. In real term it is larger than any other individual country,but significantly lower than! EU together. US have the advantage of its sizeand population, when they say that they are the largest contributor andEurope do not yet count as a nation in this respect. --I want LESS tax in the US not more! A "world tax" might perhaps end up getting some good done but at a very low rate of return I would expect. I could only imagine the amount of corruption that would feed on such a tax. This government, your government, any government is subject to corruptive influence.Where there is massive money there isbound to be corruption. Additionally, we've seen at best questionable returns off many foreign aid programs thus far. To be able to get a more peaceful world, it helps if the nations recognize, respect and obey international law. It would help a lot if US recognized and participated in the International Court. US says that they do not wantto give anyone else the right to judge US citizens than US courts, the rules for the International court give however the members preferred right to persecute any crimes. It is only if the member do not do this, that the International court can come into play.We all know about the UN problems and the food for oil scandal etc., inwhich many US corporations were the real beneficiaries. I like very muchGalloways speech, when the US called him to testify and announced that hewould be harshly interrogated. The reality was that the US representativesand US was truthfully exposed in all their own corruptness. I saved thespeech and it is great, brought it up on my server for a while, if someonemissed it,http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmvBig file 2.5 Mb, but really worth downloading and look/hear at. It is notoften the US representatives look like disoriented school kids.--You are approaching this whole email with your very "anti-US" view, which tends to limit what you see and how you present it. To say "the whole Oil for food scandal in which many US corporations were the real beneficiaries" is perfect example of this. Besides Bayside Oil and perhaps one other US outfit, who was involved? The largest broker was the former head of the Russian Central Bank. Therewere English traders, French traders, and even an outfit from Spain if I recall correctly. I know that list of mine doesn't even come close to identifying all the crooks that were involved in this but it certainly shows it wasn't just a few greedy US (or as you say MANY US) corporations. This is further exampleof why such a "world tax" (the UN dues are such a tax of sort) is too subject to corruption. I could even handle that the corruption happened if there was any sort of remedy rather then the whole affair being pushed under the rug (or like you do just blame it on the US).Talking about corruption,http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004US is today talking a lot about UN reforms, but show no signs ofwillingness to deal with its own corruption problems. It is quite telling,how Bush appointed the new UN ambassador, by in a calculated mannerutilizing an emergency rule instead of going through the process. I cannotimagine that this rule was created for this purpose and it looks as acorruptive way to do it.Hakan--Well, it is a slippery method he used but so is deadlocking the nominee in hearing via a filibuster for over a month. That's all time in which a yea/nay could have been arrived. The vote would have been yea of course and that's why the minority had to take it's approach (the filibuster) and that's why Gee Dubyah had to take his. Now it really isn't quite telling of any sort of corruption tho since this is only a temporary appointment and is still subject to final confirmation when they come back to session in 01/06. I know that many anti-US minded people, like yourself, would really enjoy seeing aspects of the US government grind itself to a halt but this is just one example of the process of checks and balances in place. I dont wish to carry water for Bush but let's look at the notion that he has done something unusual, or as you say corrupt.Using the four most recent presidents, here are the numbers of recess appointments
[Biofuel] re: re: tragic abuse of corn
Message: 4Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:00:20 +0900From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of CornTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, thenthe question becomes "is this chick legit?"She's just fooled by the "current data" bit, like everyone else is. It is not current data, see the message I posted yesterday:http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-July/001738.html[Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencieshttp://snipurl.com/ghththe blurb about corn syrup ispretty over the top.Not really, the stuff is a disaster. HFCS certainly has much to do with the rising plague of obesity, and worse. "... introduced into the food system in the early 1980s", not quite accurate, as others are saying about corn as food, and it was really the trading system that it was introduced to, worldwide. This was just after sugar farmers among others in many 3rd World countries had been pushed by the World Bank et al into capital-intensive methods on the assurance of US market prices for sugar of around 25c, which dropped to 6c when HFCS got a foothold. Exit several 3rd World rural econonies, with resultant famines in some cases. Indeed HFCS has little merit and is a problem. While it sure has put a crimp on the profits of sugar industry, that isn't all bad. As you mention the World Bankpushed a sugar intensive farming practice into many underdevolped countries and now those farms are in some economic jeopardy. In the case of at least Trinidad and Tobago the large blocks of WB and IMF money didn't go to small time individual farmers but rather large corporate intrests which then bought up much of the farmland. This mass purchasing (at 3rd world pricing to be sure) resulted in the displacement of many of these single skilled people to city life and little prospect. This has resulted in a huge shift in economy for these citizens and thus aren't directly affected by HFCS as such as they are no longer involved. The biggest problem to these farms as such is actually overproduction! Non rotation of sugar crop has left staggering amounts of land unusable (I believe it's a problem of nutrient depletion as well as nematoad).Corn still requires crop rotation but it isn't as often nor as vital as sugar. My family has some farmland which it leases out and typically goest with a 2-4 year rotation between soy and corn (dependant on pricing to some extent). This rotation is to guarantee the longterm production of the land and not so much to capatilize on market trends. It becomes harder and harder to escape the grasp of HFCS but at least through awareness people canlearn to try and avoid it. Then again if I'm going to have a sweetener addative I'll choose HFCS over aspertame, saccarine, and the like... but this is a matter of lesser of evils. This is one product on the long list ofuseless addatives one can try to avoid (MSG really comes to mind) Thanks for the list, I've enjoyed much of what I've read so far. John You should perhaps have a look at what Surgeon-Captain Cleave has to say about refined carbohydrates, and this was before the rise of HFCS:http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#cleaveBest wishesKeith__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
