[biofuel] Re: Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide efficiant mixing method
Dear paul, the methoxide prep stage is my greatest concern It sounds like you have a good solution(no pun intended lolol) with the aqueous solution. please confirm your statement. can you say with impunity that you have had no problems with this? what is the shelf life of the aqueous solution? you mention solidifying at temps below 20 c... if kept above that temp does it remain in solution? the safety of our personell and students is of paramount importance. also what respirators can anyone reccommend for this task.any other safety issues that need to be adressed besides ventillation and protective clothing? we will eventually be making up to 2000 gallons per batch in our reactor vessell so we want the best possible advice before we get to that point and ive found that bench scale testing doesnt generally hold true when scaling up to production levels.. any suggestions will be appreciated.. marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "gobie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > have to agree with you that the preparation of the methoxide can be a > dangerous step. > There are some good methods mentioned on JTF, but most of them take time. > To get around the NaOH dissolving in methanol problem I have developed a > method of using NaOH in the form of a concentrated aqueous solution. The > NaOH dissolves readily into the water and is available as a stock solution > when needed. To make methoxide the Conc Aqueous NaOH is measured out and > poured slowly with stirring into the methanol. Result a crystal clear > methoxide prepared in a minute or two. > Dissolve 100g of NaOH (flakes, pellets or pearls) in 90ml of distilled > water. Some stirring will be needed and the solution will get very hot. Mix > in a heatproof non metalic container and avoid breathing the fumes. This > will give you 1200ml of solution. Store in an airtight plastic bottle at > ground level away from children. > When making up the methoxide multiply the grams of NaOH/litre required by > 1.2. > If the ambient temperature is below 20 deg C the conc NaOH solution will > tend to solidify and may need to be shaken or warmed. > > One of the "golden rules" of biodiesel making is to avoid water at all > costs. In this case however the small ammount of water in the Conc NaOH > solution does not seem to have a detrimental effect. > > The above advise is offered as asistance, not to prove a point or promote a > particular way of making methoxide. Try it and if you like it great I have > been of help. > > There are sure to be a few comments from the detractors of this method. > I'm flying out this evening, not back till Monday, so will not be available > for comment till then. > > > Regards Paul Gobert > > > - Original Message - > > From: Kevin Shea > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to agitate the Lye powder > into the methanol? I use a type 20 Lightning mixer (with small propeller > agitator), but have problems with the dissolving of Sodium Hydroxide > > > > I mix 3.75 liters of methanol to the appropriate amount of sodium > hydroxide in a 5 gallon carboy (with small hole drilled in cap) and let mix > for 15 minutes. My problem is that the sodium hydroxide fails to dissolve > completely with the methanol. I can see lots of clumped Lye! > > > > I hate this part of the process!!! and it is the most dangerous!! I > take as much precaution as possible not to expose myself and wear proper > safety protection. I'm not crazy about mixing for longer period with an > electric mixer or have something happen to cause a catastrophic event, so > I'm trying to minimize this danger window of this process > > > > Most likely I'll mix the next batch of Sodium Methoxide in a smaller > carboy (HDPE), and that should hopefully help. Maybe the propeller shaft > should be a larger design?? Anyway, I'm interested in the most efficient > (Safe) methods and how long agitation should be? > > > > I use the Red Devil powder Lye. > > > > > > Thank you, > > Kevin Shea > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > [Non
[biofuel] Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question
-- Dear Kim... we have built several digestors one is part of our closed loop ecosystem and handles the waste stream from our distillery- biodiesel plant...the latest unit is the simplest and most effective it is a poly digestor many of this type are used in se Asia.. they are cheap and simple ...go to our website and go to methane digestors...also you can see pix of a similar unit on our ecogenics website "California power solutions" we sell the kit to make that unit. it is expandable to meet the needs of farms and feedlots the length of the digestor depends on the amount of feedstock.. we will also be conducting trainings on methane here at ecogenics center this summer marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't anyone have an answer for Kim? > > Keith > > >Okay, I have read what is available in the journeytoforever library on > >biogas. My question: Has anyone on this list ever built a biogas > >digester? I have no problem finding the material to feed one, but I will > >admit to be less than confident with the instructions given. > > > >Bright Blessings, > >Kim > > > >At 12:47 PM 4/8/2004, you wrote: > > >Keith, > > > > > >I am pleased to see you joining in on this discussion because I think > > >this topic is right down you alley. > > > > > >I would like to suggest that the biogas energy be recovered in a small, > > >slow speed, long life diesel generator such as a "Lister Engine" rather > > >than a steam engine. Diesel engines deliver about three times the KWHr > > >per /BTU than steam engines due to higher operating efficiency. Biogas > > >needs to be combusted in a diesel engine rather than a gasoline engine > > >because the diesel has a higher compression ratio (biogas needs about 12 - > > >14:1 compression ratio for best combustion). The waste heat from the > > >water jacket on the Lister engine is more than sufficient to maintain > > >thermophilic temperatures of the biogas reactor and you still have the > > >heat from the engine exhaust for other higher energy uses as well. About > > >25% of the biogas energy will be recovered as electricity and the > > >remainder as heat energy at various temperatures. > > > > > >It is important to look at the monthly and seasonal energy consumption > > >profile to determine how much energy should be recovered in each form > > >(summer vs winter usages). Do you need 5 KWHr per day as electricity and > > >50,000 BTU's as space heat and 6,000 BTU's for cooking gas and 30,000 > > >BTU's for hot water, etc. Then you can lay out the size of each the > > >components necessary to convert the biogas into the appropriate form of > > >energy. Perhaps some of the biogas will bypass the diesel engine and be > > >fed directly into a water heater burner because your needs are for greater > > >amounts of hot water for example. > > > > > >One of the nice features is that the biogas system produces energy fairly > > >uniformly 24 hours per day. So with a small amount of batteries and > > >insulated tanks, you can easily handle typical surges in demand > >during the day. > > > > > >Of, course it also helps if you have a way to continuously supply the > > >wastes needed to feed the biogas reactor. Having a herd of pigs, cows or > > >horses helps alot. You might find yourself supply limited and need to > > >import other wastes such as grass clippings or grain wastes or food > > >wastes, etc to make up for a feedstock supply deficiency. > > > > > >One thing is certain - ALL of these efforts should be made to maximize the > > >return of organic matter to soil as a mature soil amendment. Then the > > >discussions about sustainability can begin. > > > > > >Art Krenzel > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Keith Addison > > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Rejoining list with a question > > > > > > > > > Hi Kim > > > > > > Good to see you back. > > > > > > >Keith, I told you I would be back > > > > > > I thought it was going to be a year or two, glad you made it sooner. > > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > > > >I was a member of this list for several years, but quit to have time to > > > >learn other things. I hope all the regulars are doing well, > >and I hope to > > > >get to know all the new people. > > > > > > > >My husband and I own 20 acres in Texas and we are trying to > >live and farm > > > >sustainably. For now we are on the grid, but hope to change that one > > > >day. We practise alternative building, such as paper adobe > >and cordwood. > > > > > > > >The question: This months issue of Backwoods Home Magazine has an > > > article, > > > >by Rev. J.D. Hooker, on burning manure. It states that they > >get 'somewhat > > > >greater heating value than seasoned hardwood.'By using the ashes > > > in the > > > >
[biofuel] Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question
- By the way guys, I too asked a question.. I am confused by all the arguing back and forth as to which is the best and SAFEST method to produce the methoxy Im leaning to a totally enclosed reactor vessell I need to know by concensus which is the best one,,, although I have an extensive background in alternative fuels, I am fairly new to biodiesel processing so I am asking you all for the best possible advice in this matter.. keep in mind that this facility will be dedicated to "Green job" training programs...besides providing biodiesel at cost to our community. Ill be greatfull for unbiased and realtime advice on this safety related issue.. thanks Marc-Ecogenics -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- >Dear Kim... > we have built several digestors one is part of our closed loop > ecosystem and handles the waste stream from our distillery- biodiesel > plant...the latest unit is the simplest and most effective it is a > poly digestor many of this type are used in se Asia.. they are cheap > and simple ...go to our website and go to methane digestors...also > you can see pix of a similar unit on our ecogenics > website "California power solutions" we sell the kit to make that > unit. it is expandable to meet the needs of farms and feedlots the > length of the digestor depends on the amount of feedstock.. we will > also be conducting trainings on methane here at ecogenics center this > summer > marc > > > > > > > > - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doesn't anyone have an answer for Kim? > > > > Keith > > > > >Okay, I have read what is available in the journeytoforever > library on > > >biogas. My question: Has anyone on this list ever built a biogas > > >digester? I have no problem finding the material to feed one, but > I will > > >admit to be less than confident with the instructions given. > > > > > >Bright Blessings, > > >Kim > > > > > >At 12:47 PM 4/8/2004, you wrote: > > > >Keith, > > > > > > > >I am pleased to see you joining in on this discussion because I > think > > > >this topic is right down you alley. > > > > > > > >I would like to suggest that the biogas energy be recovered in a > small, > > > >slow speed, long life diesel generator such as a "Lister Engine" > rather > > > >than a steam engine. Diesel engines deliver about three times > the KWHr > > > >per /BTU than steam engines due to higher operating efficiency. > Biogas > > > >needs to be combusted in a diesel engine rather than a gasoline > engine > > > >because the diesel has a higher compression ratio (biogas needs > about 12 - > > > >14:1 compression ratio for best combustion). The waste heat > from the > > > >water jacket on the Lister engine is more than sufficient to > maintain > > > >thermophilic temperatures of the biogas reactor and you still > have the > > > >heat from the engine exhaust for other higher energy uses as > well. About > > > >25% of the biogas energy will be recovered as electricity and the > > > >remainder as heat energy at various temperatures. > > > > > > > >It is important to look at the monthly and seasonal energy > consumption > > > >profile to determine how much energy should be recovered in each > form > > > >(summer vs winter usages). Do you need 5 KWHr per day as > electricity and > > > >50,000 BTU's as space heat and 6,000 BTU's for cooking gas and > 30,000 > > > >BTU's for hot water, etc. Then you can lay out the size of each > the > > > >components necessary to convert the biogas into the appropriate > form of > > > >energy. Perhaps some of the biogas will bypass the diesel > engine and be > > > >fed directly into a water heater burner because your needs are > for greater > > > >amounts of hot water for example. > > > > > > > >One of the nice features is that the biogas system produces > energy fairly > > > >uniformly 24 hours per day. So with a small amount of batteries > and > > > >insulated tanks, you can easily handle typical surges in demand > > >during the day. > > > > > > > >Of, course it also helps if you have a way to continuously > supply the > > > >wastes needed to feed the
[biofuel] Methoxide - was Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question
Thanks for the answers they are helpfull im very impressed with what I see on the"journey" website (always have been).Yes Im a "newbie" to processing biodiesel but an oldie on algaeculture technology for oil production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology. and..Of course, im an long time time distiller.. having produced ethanol for fuel and then organically certified pharmaceutical U.S.P. Grade ethanol... also.. im no stranger to methane digestors and gasifiers. My bioregion is one of the most polluted in the U.S., my county and three cities cities in it, are very proactive and are using all sorts of afv's and hybrid electrics.. The ethanol industry is dominated by the big guys but I see a great opportunity to use our ethanol distillery to make a fair amount of Biodiesel (up to 7000 gals per week eventually) and in fact we are prepared to do so Immediatly. I have relatively close ties with some biodiesel experts who are going to assist us in start up.If our facilities were not also training facilities, I would not be so concerned about how I go about handling hazardous chemicals as we are well equipped with hazmat protection having done a good deal of acid hydrolysis, but we are visited by a good many people here and expect that our "Green Job" training programs will be very well attended ..so god forbid that we make errors in our process that could cause a disaster. I am one who always beleives in learning all I can from as many sources as possible that is why I am on various related lists and this is one of the best ive found on biodiesel..there are others that I feel are a disgrace, carrying on like a bunch of brats. but here on this list that kind of banter seems less frequent thank god...my website can be found on google simply search for ecogenics or go to www dabney.com/ecogenics/... again thank you please keep the suggestions coming well appreciate all the help we can get... Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By the way guys, I too asked a question.. I am confused by all the > >arguing back and forth as to which is the best and SAFEST method > > to produce the methoxy Im leaning to a totally enclosed reactor > >vessell I need to know by concensus which is the best one,,, > > I haven't seen much arguing back and forth. Paul proposed his > water-based system, I critiqued it, which has happened a few times > before. Basically, I can't see any point in adding water to a > water-sensitive process, it just adds another variable. To each his > own, as Paul and I usually end up telling each other. But I don't > think that's the way to go for a newbie (you are a biodiesel newbie, > aren't you?). As for safety, well, look at what I said: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33499/ > > This is the best and safest way, and I think it's also the most > popular way, as far as I can tell (I do have quite a good vantage > point): > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix > Mixing the methoxide > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth > Methoxide the easy way > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methadd > Adding the methoxide > > >although I have an extensive background in alternative fuels, I > >am fairly new to biodiesel processing > > Have you made any yet? > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > > > >so I am asking you all for > >the best possible advice in this matter.. > > keep in mind that this facility will be dedicated to "Green job" > >training programs...besides providing biodiesel at cost to our > >community. > >Ill be greatfull for unbiased and realtime advice on this safety > >related issue.. > > thanks > > Marc-Ecogenics Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
Hi. We have done extensive r&d in algae production for food fuel and fertiliser... go to our website for more on this topic. click on the "tour ecogenics" and youll see various fuel grade algaes being propagated... also, we have one of the most comprehensive manuals on the topic. there are two algaes in particular that we favour for biofuels... Dunaliela, and butyrococcus.as to living fuel cells .. chlamidomonas ,under the right conditions ,can produce more hydrogen than any other media but our work in that arena is limited to bench scale and we're not sure how that will translate into full scale as of yet though the potential is staggering.. Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "wwschnabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have any information on extracting oil from algae? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- Sorry about that the website is www dabney.com/ecogenics/ scroll down to the list of dabney's hosted websites.. or just write in ecogenics on google or aol.. no .com or anything im sure youll find it.. the skin care people are in germany and have nothing to do with us... we dont mind thier using the name because they are not in a related industry. and we like what they do..maybe theyll buy glycerine or pharmaceutical grade alcohol from us someday lolol...by the way this is our twenty fifth aniversary making alcohol in the U.S. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Lowe wrote: > > > Marc Orion Cardoso wrote: > > > > > >> Hi. > >> We have done extensive r&d in algae production for food fuel and > >>fertiliser... go to our website for more on this topic. click on > > > > > > And your web site is where? > > Replying to my own email, from some references in other emails from the > same person > > http://www.dabney.com/ecogenics/ > > > > > > > > > >>the "tour ecogenics" and youll see various fuel grade algaes being > >>propagated... also, we have one of the most comprehensive manuals on > >>the topic. there are two algaes in particular that we favour for > >>biofuels... Dunaliela, and butyrococcus.as to living fuel cells .. > >>chlamidomonas ,under the right conditions ,can produce more hydrogen > >>than any other media but our work in that arena is limited to bench > >>scale and we're not sure how that will translate into full scale as > >>of yet though the potential is staggering.. > >> Marc > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Andrew Lowe > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Test Batches
I was looking over some surplus veggie oil today it was peanut oil blended with vegetable oil(no specific type indeicated).. I noticed that it also had a silicone based antifoaming agent in it.. what consequences are faced in the biodiesel process because some of the oils used by restaurants apparently hacve this silicone anti foam agent in them could this explain the clouding and the fibrous looking layer some of our folks have described?? Kieth,, is this additive a problem??? Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "biobenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I have successfully acheived seperation into two distinct layers > three times now. The first time is was with 500ml of new canola, > 100ml mathanot and 1.75gr sodium hydroxide without heating it and it > hasstayed somewhat cloudy even after three days. The second batch > was with the same canola oil, 1 liter this time with 200ml methanol > and 3.5gr sodium hydroxide and it sepearated fine and went cloudy (I > hadn't heaed this one either) but now after two days it is like > apple juice but not quites THAT clear. The third was today with > 500ml same new canola oil, 100ml methanol and 2.5gr potassium > hydroxide and this time I did heat it to 130F before mixing. The > blender times for the 500ml I cut to about 8 minutes and 16 for the > full liter. > Today's batch seperated and is clearer than was the first sodium > batch at the same stage, but it is still cloudy and the glycerine is > of a lighter colour than with the sodium. > I am of the opinion that things went well, and should I wash it I > would most likely get a nice crystal apple juice looking result. Am > I mistaken ? > Next stage is to build a cabinet that will house the processor and > wash tank along with the methoxide tank and pump. I live in an > apartment building and need to have it compact and somewhat discreet > so as not to cause anyone's ire to get up. > > Thanks for all your help and encouragement. > PS: I am stillusing the Grolsch bottles to mix methoxide for the > samll teast batches and they continue to be a GREAT solution,no > escaping fumes, and clear enough to see if everything disolved > completely. > > Have a nice day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
dear Dr. Jaya, we build our own laboratory equipment except of course, for digital temp measurement instrumentation (Cole Parmer). we use regular cool white flourescents for illumination.ph paper ,analog thermometers to back up the digitals.we do very little bench scale work the conditions found in a laboratory usually dont prove out in the field ...at least that is my experience..we do have a very nice laboratory with all kinds of pretty glasswork and lexan tanks for growing shrimp larvae but most of our algae work is done int he closed loop ecosystem and in two 15 ft. dia above ground pools. you might want to look up COLE PARMER for biotech equipment, SHOTT and KIMBLE for glassware..Fischer is also a good source for supplies and equipment. hope this helps. Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jprada chunduri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everybody, > I am Dr.Jaya. My post doc project work is based on finding out local strains of algae - as a source of bio fuel. I require help to get price quotations for the euipment such as luminometer, Fermenter,Lumination chamber for culturing microalgae. I will be greatly obliged if you can give me information in this regard. > Thanking you, > jaya > > Marc Orion Cardoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - > Sorry about that the website is www dabney.com/ecogenics/ scroll > down to the list of dabney's hosted websites.. or just write in > ecogenics on google or aol.. > no .com or anything im sure youll find it.. the skin care people are > in germany and have nothing to do with us... we dont mind thier > using the name because they are not in a related industry. and we > like what they do..maybe theyll buy glycerine or pharmaceutical > grade alcohol from us someday lolol...by the way this is our twenty > fifth aniversary making alcohol in the U.S. > Marc > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andrew Lowe wrote: > > > > > Marc Orion Cardoso wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Hi. > > >> We have done extensive r&d in algae production for food fuel and > > >>fertiliser... go to our website for more on this topic. click on > > > > > > > > > And your web site is where? > > > > Replying to my own email, from some references in other emails from > the > > same person > > > > http://www.dabney.com/ecogenics/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>the "tour ecogenics" and youll see various fuel grade algaes > being > > >>propagated... also, we have one of the most comprehensive > manuals on > > >>the topic. there are two algaes in particular that we favour for > > >>biofuels... Dunaliela, and butyrococcus.as to living fuel > cells .. > > >>chlamidomonas ,under the right conditions ,can produce more > hydrogen > > >>than any other media but our work in that arena is limited to > bench > > >>scale and we're not sure how that will translate into full scale > as > > >>of yet though the potential is staggering.. > > >> Marc > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Andrew Lowe > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Using Prius as an electric car
- as I understand it, the prius is a hybrid gas-electric car. In which case it recharges its batteries with its own mnotor.. No?. If I am correct ,then the only thing I see that should change (since it is not a diesel motor )is that the fuel air command module should be changed so it can run on E100 or... better yet, 190-195 proof ethanol. which anyone can make... marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Busyditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideally, one should be able to charge their battery using a biofuel powered > genset. Not a reality for most, but imagine someone setting up an urban > "regeneration station/parking lot" to charge your vehicle overnight using > such a generator. The ideas are boundless, just enough inspiration to make > them work. > busyditch > - Original Message - > From: "Michael" <> > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:56 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car > > > > I hope everyone realizes that the energy comes from a dirty power plant, > and > > then loses energy traveling down the power lines, to their plug, and then > > loses energy in the rectifier, and in charging the batteries, and in > > discharging the batteries.Very Respectfully, > > > > Michael > > http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- Hi, go to ecogenics for info on oil from algae. www dabney.com/ecogenics/ we work with algae extensively.. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "wwschnabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on Oil from algae. > > What I would like to do is an experiment. > > Does anyone have any info on how exactly to extract the oil from algae? Could I do it in a home lab? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- Dear Kieth and lowell. We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to grow algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of climatic and geographic conditions in that, we succeeded... we have been growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research pond here at ecogenics center.. although we have been producing ethanol and methane for many many years and were well aware of the potential of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we have now reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now prepared to enter a new phase in our development program... that is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel from those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to go slowly and deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one can see that we have touched upon many areas of R&D over the years.we expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the algae to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so we can do this... Marc... -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lowell > > >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" which is U.S. > >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want info on are > >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which you and I call > >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the microalgae search > >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on this is under > >program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 1985 reports. > >Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in Golden > >CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from > >Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to buy quite > >a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some pretty > >exotic. If you want to look at "houses" for your critters search on the net > >for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and daughters > >saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this one day when > >I get some space out of the house but am more interested in finding cheap > >sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck. > > You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list > member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam but we > never heard any more about it. Another list member researched the > subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that it's a > waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not at a > doable small-scale level. > > Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on the > subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of "Algae production for > food fuel and fertiliser", "algaeculture technology for oil > production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology", and > referred list members to his website for further information. > www.dabney.com/ecogenics/ > > I didn't find much information there, maybe I should have looked > harder. I saw some photographs that looked to me like water hyacinth > and duckweed, nice for greywater/blackwater treatment systems. I > guess there's something I'm missing. I'm not being sceptical, just > need more info I think. What's not clear to me is whether Marc has > actually succeeded in producing lipids from algae in usable form and > quantity. When last we heard Marc hadn't made any biodiesel yet but > would be doing so soon. I don't know if Marc has made yet biodiesel > from algae lipids. Can you tell us a bit more Marc? > > Meanwhile, personally I take your view Lowell, cheap sources of oil > seeds are more interesting. There's huge and very largely unexplored > potential in oil-bearing plants, as well as in productive and > efficient ways of producing them. For instance, a quick search of > James Duke's Handbook of Energy Crops finds 62 legumes, both plants > and trees, either of which can be fitted to the cropping and growing > patterns on integrated sutainable farms in a variety of ways, perhaps > as cover crops, interplanted or undersown, for forage or green
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- thanks for your good wishes, so far Ive had really good results with four consecutive litre batches of new canola oil using the usual 200 ml methanol and 3.5 grams of lye, agitating it for fifteen minutes with great results, a brandy coloured layer of glycerin and a layer of soap with the rest being fairly clear biodiesel, but yesterday afternoon I used wesson brand soybean oil (new) and found a clear layer at the bottom about 1/4 inch deep and the rest of the oil is cloudy it just doesnt seem to be a complete reaction. can you tell me why the canola worked and the soy didnt seem to? MARC -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Marc > > Glad you've passed the first hurdles with making biodiesel, good for you. > > Thanks for the information, and please do keep us informed of your > progress, especially with extracting oil from the algae for biodiesel. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > > > Dear Kieth and lowell. > > > > We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of > >years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into > >algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to grow > >algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that > >would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of climatic > >and geographic conditions in that, we succeeded... we have been > >growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research pond > >here at ecogenics center.. although we have been producing ethanol > >and methane for many many years and were well aware of the potential > >of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had > >not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we have now > >reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now > >prepared to enter a new phase in our development program... that > >is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent > >production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon > >embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and > >after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel from > >those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that > >goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to go slowly and > >deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one can > >see that we have touched upon many areas of R&D over the years.we > >expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will > >successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the algae > >to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our > >progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from > >wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so > >we can do this... > >Marc... > > > > > > > > > >-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Lowell > > > > > > >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" which > >is U.S. > > > >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want info > >on are > > > >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which you > >and I call > > > >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the > >microalgae search > > > >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on this > >is under > > > >program called "Aquatic Species Program". Try to get 1987 and 1985 > >reports. > > > >Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in > >Golden > > > >CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from > > > >Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to > >buy quite > > > >a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some > >pretty > > > >exotic. If you want to look at "houses" for your critters search > >on the net > > > >for "photobioreactor" . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and > >daughters > > > >saw no humor in growing "pond scum" in the house. May try this one > >day when > > > >I get some space out of the house but am more interested in > >finding cheap > > > >sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck. > > > > > > You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list > > > member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam but we > > > never heard any more about it. Another list member researched the > > > subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that it's a > > > waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not at a > > > doable small-scale level. > > > > > > Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on the > > > subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of "Algae production for > > > food fuel and fertiliser", "algaeculture technology for oil > > > production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology", and > > > referred list members to his website for further information. > >
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- Hello All, I asked some questions in my last post but didnt get any answers but Ill ask another one anyway and maybe someone will answer it. Im assuming that when the unwashed biodiesel stratifies, that pretty much all the Glycerine-methanol and soap has settled beneath the biodiesel and that can be decanted. The washing process to meet astm seems to take up a long time .. Is it feasable to distill the water-methanol mix out of the biodiesel rather than wait for it to separate and stratify?? or will trace elements of soap screw things up..?...any thoughts on this??? Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - > thanks for your good wishes, so far Ive had really good results > with four consecutive litre batches of new canola oil using the > usual 200 ml methanol and 3.5 grams of lye, agitating it for fifteen > minutes with great results, a brandy coloured layer of glycerin > and a layer of soap with the rest being fairly clear biodiesel, but > yesterday afternoon I used wesson brand soybean oil (new) and found a > clear layer at the bottom about 1/4 inch deep and the rest of the > oil is cloudy it just doesnt seem to be a complete reaction. can you > tell me why the canola worked and the soy didnt seem to? > MARC > > > > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Marc > > > > Glad you've passed the first hurdles with making biodiesel, good > for you. > > > > Thanks for the information, and please do keep us informed of your > > progress, especially with extracting oil from the algae for > biodiesel. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > Dear Kieth and lowell. > > > > > > We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of > > >years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into > > >algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to > grow > > >algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system that > > >would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of > climatic > > >and geographic conditions in that, we succeeded... we have > been > > >growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research > pond > > >here at ecogenics center.. although we have been producing ethanol > > >and methane for many many years and were well aware of the > potential > > >of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel. we had > > >not, untill very recently ,actually produced biodiesel.. we have > now > > >reached that goal with a fair amount of consistancy and are now > > >prepared to enter a new phase in our development program... that > > >is.. the extraction of oil from our algaes and the consequent > > >production of biodiesel from the resulting oils. we are soon > > >embarking on a program of study involving extraction techniques and > > >after that will undertake the necessary steps to make biodiesel > from > > >those oils.We are taking very cautious baby steps towards that > > >goal.financial constraints have made it prudent to go slowly and > > >deliberatly in all our endeavours one look at our website and one > can > > >see that we have touched upon many areas of R&D over the years.we > > >expect that with some wise investment of time and money we will > > >successfully adress the extraction and production phase of the > algae > > >to biodiesel program..we will of course keep you posted as to our > > >progressin the meantime we are ready to produce biodiesel from > > >wvo...we have made the necessary modifications to our distillery so > > >we can do this... > > >Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Lowell > > > > > > > > >A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on "NTIS" > which > > >is U.S. > > > > >gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want > info > > >on are > > > > >called "Microalgae" not algae and they produce Lipids" which > you > > >and I call > > > > >"oil". If you want info about getting the oil out of the > > >microalgae search > > > > >on the net for "Lipid Extraction". Most of NTIS research on > this >
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- Thank you for your reply ... yes that is what im referring to,I can throw a vacuum on my column and bring the temp down well below boiling.. just trying to cut down on dwell time.. thanks again for your quick reply.. any clue as to why I had trouble with the soy oil whereas the canola did so nicely?? (referring to the prior questions that went unanswered) thanks again Marc. -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Cardoso, > > It is presumed that the "water-methanol mix" that you are referring to is > the microscopic residue after the washing stages are completed, as there is > no water in the biodiesel prior to washing. > > If that's the case, you'll find that there is no need to elevate the temp > much above 120*F in order to get the the microscopic water droplets to > coalesce and fall out. > > Going beyond the 120* range and trying to distill the water out would > generate a needless expenditure of fuel and the high heat - somewhere in the > realm of 230* F - would begin to degrade the fuel unnecessarily. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:39 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... > > > > - > >Hello All, > > I asked some questions in my last post but didnt get any answers but > > Ill ask another one anyway and maybe someone will answer it. > > Im assuming that when the unwashed biodiesel stratifies, that pretty > > much all the Glycerine-methanol and soap has settled beneath the > > biodiesel and that can be decanted. > > The washing process to meet astm seems to take up a long time .. Is > > it feasable to distill the water-methanol mix out of the biodiesel > > rather than wait for it to separate and stratify?? or will trace > > elements of soap screw things up..?...any thoughts on this??? > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > - > > > thanks for your good wishes, so far Ive had really good results > > > with four consecutive litre batches of new canola oil using the > > > usual 200 ml methanol and 3.5 grams of lye, agitating it for > > fifteen > > > minutes with great results, a brandy coloured layer of glycerin > > > and a layer of soap with the rest being fairly clear biodiesel, > > but > > > yesterday afternoon I used wesson brand soybean oil (new) and found > > a > > > clear layer at the bottom about 1/4 inch deep and the rest of the > > > oil is cloudy it just doesnt seem to be a complete reaction. can > > you > > > tell me why the canola worked and the soy didnt seem to? > > > MARC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Marc > > > > > > > > Glad you've passed the first hurdles with making biodiesel, good > > > for you. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information, and please do keep us informed of > > your > > > > progress, especially with extracting oil from the algae for > > > biodiesel. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kieth and lowell. > > > > > > > > > > We have been growing algae of various types for a good number of > > > > >years starting with Spirulina as a food and then venturing into > > > > >algaes suitable for lipid production.. First we had to learn to > > > grow > > > > >algae and came to the level of designing a closed loop system > > that > > > > >would allow the production of algaes under a broad range of > > > climatic > > > > >and geographic conditions in that, we succeeded... we have > > > been > > > > >growing dunaliela and butyrococcus with success in our research > > > pond > > > > >here at ecogenics center.. although we have been producing > > ethanol > > > > >and methane for many many years and were well aware of the > > > potential > > > > >of algae for the production of lipids (oils) for biodiesel.
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
- hm. very strange, totally unexpected. but the matter seems to have settled itself... literally,, the soy finally stratified...-looks like good separation.. took a lot longer though ..this was new soy oil. anyone have experience with lecithin? will it turn to biodiesel? thanks for your input... Marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Cardoso, > > None too sure as to the why of your previous problems. They've never > happened here, where the cleaner oils are primarily soy and hydrogenated soy > and the dirtier oils combinations of both and animal fats. > > Canola isn't predominant in this region. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:58 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... > > > > - > > > > Thank you for your reply ... yes that is what im referring to,I can > > throw a vacuum on my column and bring the temp down well below > > boiling.. just trying to cut down on dwell time.. thanks again for > > your quick reply.. any clue as to why I had trouble with the soy oil > > whereas the canola did so nicely?? (referring to the prior questions > > that went unanswered) > > thanks again > > Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mr. Cardoso, > > > > > > It is presumed that the "water-methanol mix" that you are > > referring to is > > > the microscopic residue after the washing stages are completed, as > > there is > > > no water in the biodiesel prior to washing. > > > > > > If that's the case, you'll find that there is no need to elevate > > the temp > > > much above 120*F in order to get the the microscopic water droplets > > to > > > coalesce and fall out. > > > > > > Going beyond the 120* range and trying to distill the water out > > would > > > generate a needless expenditure of fuel and the high heat - > > somewhere in the > > > realm of 230* F - would begin to degrade the fuel unnecessarily. > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:39 PM > > > Subject: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... > > > > > > > > > > - > > > >Hello All, > > > > I asked some questions in my last post but didnt get any answers > > but > > > > Ill ask another one anyway and maybe someone will answer it. > > > > Im assuming that when the unwashed biodiesel stratifies, that > > pretty > > > > much all the Glycerine-methanol and soap has settled beneath the > > > > biodiesel and that can be decanted. > > > > The washing process to meet astm seems to take up a long > > time .. Is > > > > it feasable to distill the water-methanol mix out of the biodiesel > > > > rather than wait for it to separate and stratify?? or will trace > > > > elements of soap screw things up..?...any thoughts on this??? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Orion Cardoso" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > - > > > > > thanks for your good wishes, so far Ive had really good > > results > > > > > with four consecutive litre batches of new canola oil using > > the > > > > > usual 200 ml methanol and 3.5 grams of lye, agitating it for > > > > fifteen > > > > > minutes with great results, a brandy coloured layer of > > glycerin > > > > > and a layer of soap with the rest being fairly clear biodiesel, > > > > but > > > > > yesterday afternoon I used wesson brand soybean oil (new) and > > found > > > > a > > > > > clear layer at the bottom about 1/4 inch deep and the rest of > > the > > > > > oil is cloudy it just doesnt seem to be a complete reaction. can > > > > you > > > > > tell me why the canola worked and the soy didnt seem to
[biofuel] Re: ethanol
Dear jonathan, If only it were so.. almost though as cars now can handle E85..and there are some that are set up for E100 the fuel air module is not adjustable however...performance would be erratic. the ethanol fuel air modules are however available but its either - or...at this time..unless there have been developments I am not aware of... Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "j_schearer2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own > alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle. If the vehicle is running > straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you needed > to? Example: If you go on vacation and you have a full tank of > alcohol to start, but you need to fill up(obviously) while on the > road with regular gasoline. Will this have adverse effects on the > engine? I know with diesels, you can switch back and forth from > biodiesel to petroleum diesel if you need to in a pinch and it will > not have a lasting effect on the engine. Jonathan. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: ethanol
- Hi, Ecogenics has been distilling fuel and pharmaceutical grade ethanol for thirty years now here in Sevierville Tennessee and is now producing Biodiesel. At one point we were importing brazilian general motors cars that could run on as low as 180 proof... we have modified vartious cars over the years, my favourite was my 1974 MK4lincoln continental which i ran on ethanol made from apple and even carrots, jerusalem artichokes and various fruits and grains I also ran my ford F150 on alcohol and used to drive it often to National gasohol commission meetings during the heyday of gasohol when I was chairman of the Tennessee Gasohol Commission.. from 1972 till 1989. unfortunatly the big agro industrialists like ae staley dominate the ethanol market and the farmers who started it all couldnt compete... lets hope that the biggies dont take over the biodiesel industry as they did ethanol..see our ethanol- biodiesel plant on our website.. go to Ecogenics on google or go to the original website www dabney.com/ecogenics/ Marc In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > j_schearer2000 wrote: > > > I have a question for anyone who is distilling and using their own > > alcohol in a fuel injected vehicle. > > How many people do you think are actually doing this? I haven't > heard of one, but when I do, I'd sure like to have a LONG talk! > > > If the vehicle is running > > straight alcohol, can you switch back over to gasoline if you needed > > to? > > This would depend on how the system is set up. The E 85 vehicles > use some kind of fuel density sensor to change the computer algorithms > for fuel / air ratio and spark advance. Computers make the job of > switching from one fuel to another less hardware intensive, but the > software has to work, and aside from the Bowling / Grippo system (or the > factory E 85 systems that already exist), I've never seen anyone take on > this problem for fuel injected ethanol / gasoline vehicles. It might be > difficult to do with a single set of fuel injectors, unless they were > more robust at the outset. > > In addition, if I was building an engine whose primary fuel was > ethanol, I would raise static compression ratio and take care to install > a cam that would increase compression pressure. (The last engine I > built used this technique for propane, and it ran very well!) If dual > fuel was necessary for trips, compromises in overall compression > pressure would be essential to avoid detonation. At the very least, > high quality premium fuel is a must. (I run Chevron's 94 octane premium > in my supercharged Ranger, and I've been paying over $1 per liter for > several weeks now. . .) > > Alternatively, you could leave your stock fuel injection system > alone and devise a system (possibly using a vegetherm device?) to > vaporize the ethanol and inject it using propane components. Electronic > systems that allow switching between gaseous and liquid fuels already > exist, and this might be a compromise worth investigating if dual fuel > capability is important. > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing
Dear eva, Actually we were approached recently by a potential producer about doing that very thing... testing.and certifying biodiesel..for small producers who cant afford the exhorbitant testing fees.. We are a nonprofit organisation (501C3) known as "the Ecogenics center for the study of alternative solutions and environmental stewardship".. we envision being able to perform this service based on donations from biodiesel producers.. we have access to a gas chromatograph and have a well equipped testing laboratory. Over the years, we tested alternative feedstocks for ethanol production for growers all over the country and conducted studies in cellulose hydrolysis of woods and rice stalks. and lectured on alternative feedstocks at many National gasohol commission seminars as well as for the Tennessee Valley Authority and most of the community colleges in the south and southeast.and now we are well immersed in biodiesel production technology and have modified our distillery to be able to make up to seven thousand gallons per week of Nafta grade biodiesel. so we are well qualified to undertake such a responsibility.If theres any interest in this we are all ears...any producers out there needing testing services? Marc Cardoso. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Eva Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and the last > post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back at > square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join the NBB > for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right? > > I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires some sort > of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but the test > money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of > alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And provide > that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than the > diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to small > producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations fee. > > P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this? > P.P.S. It's still "free" to sell biodiesel for marine use. > > [original message snipped] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing
thank you well get in touch with you very soon!!! our testing regimen will start as soon as we are in full production so we can supply our county in a program of self sustainable community development based on waste stream and resource recovery all ready, a major fast food franchise is donating its wvo to The ecogenics center for the study of alternative solutions and land stewardship... (Thats us folks)! come one, come all biodiesael producers Impartial... accurate and politically immune testing will be available at Ecogenics..right now though, weve got bigger fish to fry. like turning our county into a sustainable community... we will establish a certifiable testing facility with equal favor for all. no politics .. no B.S.. weve got a gc unit available to us...more later.donate for a sustainable future!!! today! marc... -- biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marc, > > I am currently running a small scale biodiesel project in Eufaula, Alabama. > We will be beginning production inside a month. I would be very interested > in having you test my biodiesel. Please reply to me at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > Bill Clark > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:24 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing > > > > > > Dear eva, > > Actually we were approached recently by a potential producer about > > doing that very thing... testing.and certifying biodiesel..for small > > producers who cant afford the exhorbitant testing fees.. We are a > > nonprofit organisation (501C3) known as "the Ecogenics center for the > > study of alternative solutions and environmental stewardship".. we > > envision being able to perform this service based on donations from > > biodiesel producers.. we have access to a gas chromatograph and have > > a well equipped testing laboratory. Over the years, we tested > > alternative feedstocks for ethanol production for growers all over > > the country and conducted studies in cellulose hydrolysis of woods > > and rice stalks. and lectured on alternative feedstocks at many > > National gasohol commission seminars as well as for the Tennessee > > Valley Authority and most of the community colleges in the south and > > southeast.and now we are well immersed in biodiesel production > > technology and have modified our distillery to be able to make up to > > seven thousand gallons per week of Nafta grade biodiesel. so we are > > well qualified to undertake such a responsibility.If theres any > > interest in this we are all ears...any producers out there needing > > testing services? > > Marc Cardoso. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Eva Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and > > the last > > > post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back > > at > > > square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join > > the NBB > > > for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right? > > > > > > I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires > > some sort > > > of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but > > the test > > > money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of > > > alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And > > provide > > > that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than > > the > > > diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to > > small > > > producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations > > fee. > > > > > > P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this? > > > P.P.S. It's still "free" to sell biodiesel for marine use. > > > > > > [original message snipped] > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Po
[biofuel] Re: Bio Diesel
actually hemp seed is 30% oil and yeilds about 280 lbs of oil per acre and no you cant get high from the exhaust fumes LOLOLOL.. Marc biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, > > Hempseed oil, that was a new one for me. LOL > > Read a lot about him, but not this. Can you give me your source. > Maybe you also can tell me, what the diesel engine was designed > to run on and it failed to do. > > Hakan > > > > At 22:30 13/05/2004, you wrote: > >I wonder how many of us realize that Rudolph Diesel, yes the guy who > >invented the diesel engine, actually utilized HEMPSEED OIL as his > >fuel source and that it wasn't until years later that petroleum was > >synthesized to make a diesel fuel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Wood chipper report
- hi walt. what do you want for the steam engine?? we want to run one as an adjunct to our 25hp boiler which runs our biodiesel plant and distillery.we would love to use an old timey steam motor to run a generator..we want a cogeneration segment as part of our fuel production system. P,S. are you talking about destructive distillation of methanol or using the chips for gasification? we are fitting out six wheel drive duece and a half with a chipper and a portable sawmill so we can implement a resource recovery program here in the Smoky mountains recovering bettle killed trees and recycling them let me know please how much for your steam engine..$$$ thanks Marc In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Long-term readers will recall that Windward's biofuel work is > focused on converting waste wood into methanol. One of the critical steps > on that journey involves the need to convert forest cullings into a > standardized feedstock. > > Late last fall we purchased a PTO mounted chipper for $1950 from > > Tractors-Etc > 83969 N Pacific Hwy > Creswell OR 97426 > Telephone: 541-895-2550, Fax: 541-895-2756 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Here's a url for the importer > http://www.chinadepot.com/woodchip.html > > By the time we got it home and assembled, we barely got to chip > anything before snow settled in for the winter. Fast-forwarding five > months, a spring windstorm brought down a dead pine, and in the process of > cleaning that up we finally got a chance to try out the chipper generating > three 55 gallon drums of chips. > > http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip02.jpg > > We've still haven't gotten the feed mechanism adjusted right yet, > but we're learning as we go and at this point I'm confident that it's going > to do good work for us. > > Here's a picture of the chips we're getting. > > http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip01.jpg > > The upshot is that we're very happy with this piece of gear. > > Walt > http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] some saturday fun for us.. madeour first B20
What a nice way to pass a Saturday! today, here at Ecogenics, we splash blended our first B20.. this is what most of the fleets are starting with although some will start on b5.. hope they go to B100 soon blending biodiesel with diesel is like mixing a good Tatinger champagne with cocacola yuck.. but I suppose we must start somewhere...happy day.. Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Anyone know of a good list for saving energy in the home?
yes go to yahoo groups and search for living off the grid and living off the grid2 youll find lots of links there. Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Art Krenzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan, > > Have you looked into an evaporative cooling tower to supplement your electric air conditioning. > > It costs much less to operate and can handle the heat loads which are off peak for your electric company. > > Art Krenzel, P.E. > PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES > 10505 NE 285TH Street > Battle Ground, WA 98604 > 360-666-1883 voice > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - R > From: Ryan Morgan > To: Biofuel Group > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 1:55 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Anyone know of a good list for saving energy in the home? > > > Hi All, > > It's almost summertime, and for those of us in the Arizona desert that means > high energy bills for cooling. I am looking for a good list on how to save > energy (mainly to enquire on proper AC control.) > > If any of you can shed light on my problem, it would be much appreciated: > > I have a two story home (3,200 sqft) with two central air conditioning > units. The unit for the second story is smaller and uses less electricity > when in use. I have top-grade insulation and energy efficient windows and > doors. I have just purchased two Honeywell programmable thermostats to > control the units, and am wondering how to set them. > > My electric company offers an on-peak, off-peak plan that I am on. > Electricity costs 0.165 cents per kWh from 1:00PM to 8:00PM and 0.0369 cents > all other times. Therefore, I have set my units to run (for the most part) > before and after 1:00-8:00 PM. Basically the house will be cooled to 77 > degrees in the off peak hours and allowed to warm to 84 degrees in the > on-peak hours. Is this a good plan for efficiency? Can my upstairs unit > alone do the job of cooling the house efficiently during on-peak hours? > > Any ideas? > > TIA, > > Ryan > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
-hi,J.D Ive been pondering the same thing, applications for bd as lubricants. I wonder what the overall effects will be on all the plastic parts such as the tanks and fuel lines .. how many hours have you run that chainsaw ? Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, > and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic > household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar > and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts > are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as > are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > Thanks, J.D. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
- well ,we know that fish oil is used to lubricate precision erquipment and castor oil was a component of aircraft fuel in the early days so why not other veggie oils?? Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo J.D., > > Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > > kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, > kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic > kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar > kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts > kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as > kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > > I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is > just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No > problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the > bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as > possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end > of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars > and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it > goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > > Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > hear the music. > George Carlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
- I believe its a value added product that should be considered even if it blended with regular lube oil... I just blended K1 kerosen in a small amount ( the equivalent of b20 only its k20 so I can test its burning efficiency- heater fuel is a vast arena to explore for biofuels. Marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Gustl, J.D. > > >Hallo J.D., > > > >Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > > > >kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, > >kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a > >good non-toxic > >kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with > >what good bar > >kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > >kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal > >engine parts > >kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as > >kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > >kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > > > >I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is > >just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No > >problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the > >bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as > >possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end > >of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars > >and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it > >goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not > the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do > the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because it's > thinner. > > We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw bar&chain lube > with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, > J.D., even if it self-destructs. > > I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. > > Best > > Keith > > > >Happy Happy, > > > >Gustl > >-- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] another day another blend
well we just blended b100 with K1 kerosene creating what we call K2 it was perfectly miscible.. now ,if only it will burn well..? ahh that is the next step marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Proper & Safe mixer for mixing biodiesel?
Hi, we are using a submersible 3 '' sewer pump which is the same one we used to make our mash, it and 3others like it are our mainstay and last even at the 212 temperatures we need to make mash for distillation ... since they are submerged and totally sealed they will not be exposed to the fumes but to run 2000 and 5000 gallon tanksfull of biodiesel I feel you need a big pump like this. and they run on 110 very economically weve used them for years and years... Marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I have found that US Plastics Company sells nice conical tanks and > >stands and all the other goodies to create my own biodiesel fuel > >setup. They also sell pumps and mixers. I used their online tech > >support today asking what mixer they recommended and their tech > >support said they do not offer "explosion proof" mixers and do not > >recommend any of their mixers for making biodiesel. So, is there a > >mixer on the market that I can buy that is "explosion proof"? Please > >point me in the right direction. If there is not, then can a pump > >circulate/mix the checmicals well enough to make biodiesel? Please > >offer your suggestions. > > > >Thanks > > > >Thomas > > Hello Thomas > > From a previous message: > > >... why not use a pump instead? Aleks Kac did some > >research on this and told me this: "As a rule of thumb you need 1000 > >W of shaft power for pump stirring on a 1000 litre/batch reactor as > >opposed to 3000 W of shaft power for turbine stirring for the same > >volume." I think pumps work better than stirrers, and it's a lot > >simpler to build a closed, fume-free processor with a pump. These 1" > >Clear Water Pumps are cheap and reliable, and work very well. > > > >Harbor Freight Tools -- 1" Clear Water Pump -- Item 1479-1VGA > >http://www.harborfreight.com/ > > > >Northern Tools -- Cast Iron 1in. Clear Water Pump, Model# 109955 > >(Warning -- very BAD at dealing with international orders!) > >http://www.northerntool.com/ > > > >Northern Tool & Equipment Co. (UK) Ltd. -- 1" Clear Water Pump, Item > >No. 109955E > >http://www.northerntooluk.com/ > > This is the pump we use, and that a lot of people use. It's a TEFC > pump - short of explosion-proof, but with a Totally Enclosed, Fan > Cooled motor, and safe. It works well, smooth, quiet, trouble-free, > and does a lot of work, mixing the stuff and transferring the > product. We're very pleased with it. > > Todd Swearingen of Appal Energy has recommended this pump: > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp? UID=2003022719402932&catname=&qt > y=1&item=2-1225 > > >This 115 volt pump will handle SVO or heated WVO, biodiesel and > >water. Originally designed by Little Giant as a solvent pump. > > > >Relatively fast, ~300 gph on veg oil. Best little durable, all > >around pump that your money can buy. Intake and outlets are 1/2" > >NPT, making plumbing into small diameter systems a snap. > > > >Todd Swearingen > > HTH > > Best > > Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: another day another blend
I know it is but i must familiarise myself with evry aspect of biodiesel applications its part of my due dillegence and offering a kerosene blend is something im very interested since i used to heat exclusively with kerosene then experimented with ethanol and now with biodiesel. casll me a doubting thomas but i need to do it myself to really know its potential.. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc, > > You can save yourself some effort. Biodiesel is perfectly miscible in every > ratio with all distillate fuel oils. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:22 PM > Subject: [biofuel] another day another blend > > > > well we just blended b100 with K1 kerosene creating what we call K2 > > it was perfectly miscible.. now ,if only it will burn well..? > > ahh that is the next step > > marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels
I know a few politicians whose brains should be turned into biodiesel- but im not sure theyd pass astm standards... lolololol.. Marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=585&e=3&u=/nm/20040517/sc_nm/madcow_waste_dc > > > USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels > > Mon May 17, 5:36 PM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! > > > By Richard Cowan > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cattle brains and other remains that may carry the deadly > mad cow disease would be turned into biofuels under a plan announced on Monday > by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites). > > Cattle brains, skull, eyes, spinal column, small intestine and other parts > suspected of harboring mad cow disease were banned from human consumption in > December as a safety precaution, shortly after the discovery of the first case > of mad cow disease in the United States. > > > Some consumer groups have called on the Bush administration to go a step further > and ban these "specified risk materials" from swine, poultry and other animal > feed made from ground-up cattle remains. All cattle parts already are banned > from cattle feed to protect against the spread of mad cow disease. > > > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) is considering tougher > regulations on animal feed since finding the brain-wasting disease in the United > States. One month ago, an agency official said FDA was considering banning > specified risk materials from poultry and swine feed. > > > Under the new USDA program, a $50 million loan guarantee program would be set up > to help small businesses in rural areas develop ways to turn cattle brains and > other high-risk parts into a "bio-based source of energy." > > > Bill Hagy, a deputy administrator at USDA's rural development agency, said the > purpose of the pilot program was to gauge commercial interest and to solicit > ideas for alternate energy uses for the cattle parts. > > > "There are incinerating facilities out there that possibility could, with some > retooling, be able to accommodate the need," Hagy said. > > > But Hagy said he did not know whether the pilot program was aimed at finding new > uses for the risky cattle parts if they are banned from all animal feed. > > > A spokeswoman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (news - web sites) > said her organization supports the USDA pilot program. > > > A wider ban on the high-risk cattle parts has been watched closely by the U.S. > soybean futures market. With tight soy supplies in the United States, a > significant change in animal feed rules could have a big impact on products that > could be used as a substitute in animal feeds, such as soybean meal. > > > Currently, the carcasses of cattle slaughtered at U.S. packing plants are > typically sent to a separate rendering plant to be made into food for other > animals, cosmetics or other materials. Last year, the United States slaughtered > more than 35 million cattle. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: bioethanol
- contact ecogenics for ethanol plant design development and construction see our state- of -the -art ethanol plant on www dabney.com/ecogenics/ Marc Cardoso Dear -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "jojosantoni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am interested in obtaining information on the possibilities of > purchasing a plant to produce ethanol from sugarcane. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [WoodGas] Re: -----hydrocarbon cracking
gt; add it to soap, but if the soap already contains the glycerine > content of the oil/fat it was produced from, it probably won't need > any more. There's an upper limit to the glycerine content of soap and > it's not very high - it's an alcohol after all. > > Can you sell it? Yes, in theory - but in the US anyway, only by the > container-load, unless you find a special outlet. > > If it were really pure, 99%+, you might have more luck, but that > means distilling it, and the boiling point is 290 deg C, 554 deg F, > needs lots of energy. Purpose-built solvent purification distillers > are rather expensive. It might though be worth putting this separated > glycerine through a carbon filter. > > As for making soap with any of this stuff, not so easy. The > by-product as-is, the whole cocktail, is a powerful degreaser (remove > the methanol first), but not exactly a soap. Too alkaline, for one > thing, harsh, with all that lye still in there. There are people who > say they make soap out of it, and you can do that, but it's low- grade > soap, not something you'd want to sell. > > The commercial soapmakers make soap out of Free Fatty Acids, but I > don't think you'd have much success on a kitchen or backyard scale - > you might get soap, I suppose, but again, low-grade, and, your > original problem, it'll smell of WVO. In the trade this stuff is > produced by deacidifying virgin oil to meet food-grade standards and > so on, it's called soapstock or foots, and there isn't a very good > market for it. It makes good heating fuel though (in a Turk burner or > something similar), and it can be used for pre-heating WVO for making > biodiesel. > > The third layer at the bottom when you separate the by-product > cocktail, the catalyst, is probably the easiest bit to sell. It's one > of the reasons commercial biodiesel producers prefer using KOH to > NaOH as the catalyst. When you use phosphoric acid to separate the > by-product components, this leaves you with potassium phosphates, > which can be reclaimed and sold as chemical fertiliser. > > The relative value of all of these options will vary according to the > individual operation, and they're worth exploring. > > We don't use any of them, preferring to use the by-product as-is for > heating, complete with the excess methanol. We don't have a disposal > or recycling or resale problem with it, we use it all up. > > >Hope you are well and happy friend. > > Yes thankyou Gustl, I hope you are too. > > >You never cease to amaze me. > >Please keep doing so. :o) > > :-) > > I'll try. > > Regards > > Keith > > > >Happy Happy, > > > >Gustl > > > >This is a forwarded message > >From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Marc Orion Cardoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 19:54:13 > >Subject: [WoodGas] Re: -hydrocarbon cracking > > > >==Original message text=== > >Hallo Marc, > > > >Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 14:09:42, you wrote: > > > >...snip... > >MOC> glycerine is a very valuable by product used in > >MOC> industry,cosmetics,sweeteners, and in the health food business and > >MOC> the soap that also results is also highly valuable especially > >MOC> the "hand made" soaps that are found in high end stores.. , the > >...snip... > > > >This is something I have been wondering about. How does one, or is it > >even possible to, neutralize the odor of french fries, fish, donuts, > >etc. in the end product? I am on some biodiesel lists and so far no > >one has been able to answer this question including Keith at Journey > >to Forever. > > > >If it is possible I would really like to know how to do it. I have > >thought of making soap with the glycerine but can think of only a very > >few people who would like fish or french fry scented soap. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated friend. > > > >Happy Happy, > > > >Gustl > > ===End of original message text=== > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > > Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > hear the music. > George Carlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] new pix of some of our distilleries, our gasifier and some algae
check out the new pix on our yahoo group "living off the grid" theres a nice pix of some of our algae growing as well as some of the distilleries we have built. also you can see the distillery we have modified into a biodiesel plant on our ecogenics website.just google ecogenics. or go to www dabney.com/ecogenics/ Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] some new pix
Ive posted some pix of some of our distilleries and other equipments that we have built as well of one of our gasifiers also some of our biodiesel and a nice pix of our algae in full bloom go to our list "living off the grid" (the original one) and go to photos section , see under ecogenic..you might find these interesting.. Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Bush's Biodiesel Mower
- Cmon.give the Bushman a break fellas, donchya know its election time? he needs that "Green" vote to win and Naderites love biodiesel . heck ive got a picture of George herbert, the senior bushman ,sitting in an ethanol powered car. Bio diesel will be taken over by the big boys just like they did ethanol... its only logical cause they smell the big bucks.. anyhow... any positive biodiesel news is good news. Marc In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exerpt from this week's evworld.com: > > > Bush's Biodiesel Mower > Just so I don't come off seeming too mean spirited, there is this > piece of good news out of Crawford. I don't know if the President > played much of a role in the decision to buy a new diesel mower for > his Texas home, but according to a recent email from an EV World > reader, his foreman, Ken Englebrecht, is burning biodiesel > > And that's not the only alternative fuel vehicle on the President's > retreat. His Ford pickup runs on propane. I had a chance to meet Ken > and see the presidential truck at the 2002 Clean Cities national > convention in Oklahoma City. It's certainly encouraging to see that > someone in the Bush Adminstration takes alternative fuels seriously. > Maybe "Dubya" should consider appointing Ken Englebrecht run the > Department of Energy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
We have been growing fuel food and fertilizer grade algaes for some thirty years, now that we are in the biodiesel rersearch and development business ,we are focusing on oil from algae extraction technology from three algae species that show the most potential yeild. at this time we would welcome financial inputs from any sources so that we can accelerate our development programs.so far the oils we have extracted on a bench scale seem idealy suited for biodiesel production getting the technology up to production scale is all that remains in our NSHO. We know how to grow it, we have the ponds, we have the biodiesel plant capable of 7000 gallons per week capacity, anyone interested in offering venture capital? we are all ears. help us take the r&d to the next step.see one of our ponds in fryer to the fuel tank and on our website www dabney.com/ecogenics/ Marc Orion Cardoso biofuel@yahoogroups.com, John Woolsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is cool, but is it proven? Anyone want to start a algae farm? I am > sure it would be easy to find a patron among the internet millionaires. > > > joeyhundert wrote: > > Lyle, > > Thanks very much, that's a really cool article. Algae for oil, > > that's the first I'd heard of it. > > > > I forgot to take efficiency trends into > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/35405 Oh well. > > > > Has there been any conjecture on the theories presented on Algae? > > > > $287Billion war budget vs. $170Billion Independence? (I know the > > infrastructure re-fit would be huge, but still, that's a pretty > > telling tale) > > > > The latest National Geographic is a must read for everyone here. > > Bronze the cover and put it on the mantle. > > > > Just got the latest from Campbell's stats - Peak Oil Production = > > 2008! Hold on to yer hats! > > > > -Joey > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $
-- we have been growing various species for years under a wide variety of climatic conditions...now we are developing separation and processing technology we do not have cost figures as of yet that are definitive. Marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "John Woolsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay here is a question: > What would the price of the oil be for Algae farmed oil? > Someone here said they had been doing this stuff for years. > What is your price for various quantities? > Is it cheaper than Soy oil etc? > > - bfn - JAW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $
- all indications are that the answer is yes! oil from some of the algaes are extremely suitable for bd. and certainly capable of yeilding far more oil, well beyond 50% yeild our closed loop systems have proven that it is possible to grow algae inexpensively over a broad spectrum of climatic conditions.again i emust emphasize that much work remains to be done in developing a large scale extraction process.we are actively seeking funding so as to develop the process. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, John Woolsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to be agressive but will it be cheaper than soy oil? Or whatever the > leading cheap oil is these days? Depending on who you believe we may not > have much time before a real solution is needed. Will this work today > from an economic perspective. > > - bfn - JAW > > Marc Orion Cardoso wrote: > > -- > > we have been growing various species for years under a wide variety > > of climatic conditions...now we are developing separation and > > processing technology we do not have cost figures as of yet that are > > definitive. > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "John Woolsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Okay here is a question: > >>What would the price of the oil be for Algae farmed oil? > >>Someone here said they had been doing this stuff for years. > >>What is your price for various quantities? > >>Is it cheaper than Soy oil etc? > >> > >> - bfn - JAW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $
-- Dear pieter, we have perhaps the only ,and certainly, the most comprehensive manual on growing algae. $180.00 U.S.. this manual is for the serious person doing due dillegance into the feasability and technology of algaeculture.It covers growing rechniques for various lipid (oil) producing algae as well as growing Tilapia fish which are used to provide nutrients for the algae as well as a highly profitable value added product. see our website for data relating to the closed loop ecosystems in which we grow the algae and tilapia fish in a mutually symbiotic relationship. surprisnigly, the algae manual is our biggest selling manual despite the cost. for more on our manuals go to the product description page on our website just google for ecogenics or go to www dabney.com/ecogenics/ for more on our technologies. Marc - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone give me some more information about growing algae ? > Met dank en vriendelijke groet, > Pieter Koole > Netherlands > > The information contained in this message (including attachments) is > confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) > only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and > notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, > copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be > liable for direct, special, indirect or > consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this > message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result > of any virus being passed on. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:55 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $ > > > > -- > > we have been growing various species for years under a wide variety > > of climatic conditions...now we are developing separation and > > processing technology we do not have cost figures as of yet that are > > definitive. > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "John Woolsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Okay here is a question: > > > What would the price of the oil be for Algae farmed oil? > > > Someone here said they had been doing this stuff for years. > > > What is your price for various quantities? > > > Is it cheaper than Soy oil etc? > > > > > > - bfn - JAW > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd > op virussen. > > Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst > waar op wordt gecontroleerd. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] info on our upcoming seminars
Hello evryone, go to "living off the grid 2" for information on our upcoming seminars. Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Theoretical Question
you can get a small distillers permit if you have no criminal record, it allows you to make up to 10,000 gallons of ethanol for fuel for your own use. the fee is $25.00 of course ,this assumes that you are in the Usa. if you arent, do it anyway as long as you denature it immediatly with lye its no longer potable so it becomes a non issue . there is no law against making ethyloxide at least not yet. marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could make the lye, and then crystallize it, although in some parts of the world, where humidity is an issue, you might need to apply heat, to drive off the water. The only issue I see would be the need to involve the government, due to the ethanol part. > > Greg H. > - Original Message - > From: Kim & Garth Travis > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 16:06 > Subject: [biofuel] Theoretical Question > > > I am wondering if it is possible to make biodiesel completely on the > farm. It is relatively easy to grow the seeds to press, and one can make > ethanol, which will work. The problem is the lye. Now I know how to make > lye from hardwood ashes to make soap, but I wouldn't want the water in a > batch of biodiesel. Is it possible to home manufacture everything that is > needed? > > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Theoretical Question
- I stand corrected on the lye as denaturant. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lye is not a denaturant, the ethanol can still be reclaimed. To denature ethanol, liquids that have similar boiling points condensing points, that even distillation will be hard to remove, have to be used, like methanol, gasoline, and a few other things as well. The denaturant used must not be readily remove from the ethanol, with common tools, You still have to make the ethanol and that requires licensing / bonding even if it is denatured.It used to be that rubbing alcohol was denatured ethanol, but, due to the licensing / bonding cost, it's now more cost effective to make isopropyl alcohol. > > ( From: Make Your Own Fuel ) > > For BATF, to consider ethanol to be denatured, you must use one of the approved formulas, such as: > > Formula #1) To every 100 gal of ethanol add; > 5 gal wood alcohol. > > Formula #3A) To every 100 gal of ethanol; > 5 gal methyl alcohol > > Formula #4) To every 100 gal of ethanol; > 1 gal gasoline > > Formula #18) To every 100 gal of ethanol of not less than 160 proof add; > 2.5 gal of methyl isobutyl ketone ( or compound similar thereto ), > 0.125 gal of pyronate ( or compound similar thereto ), > 0.5 gal of acetaldol, > 1 gal kerosene, or gasoline. > > Formula #19) To every 100 gal. of ethanol of not less than 160 proof add; > 4 gal of methyl isobutyl ketone, and > 1 gal. of kerosene, deodorized kerosene or gasoline. > > Have fun, > > Greg H. > - Original Message - > From: Marc Orion Cardoso > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 17:37 > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Theoretical Question > > > > you can get a small distillers permit if you have no criminal record, > it allows you to make up to 10,000 gallons of ethanol for fuel for > your own use. the fee is $25.00 of course ,this assumes that you are > in the Usa. if you arent, do it anyway as long as you denature it > immediatly with lye its no longer potable so it becomes a non issue . > there is no law against making ethyloxide at least not yet. > marc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel and sunlight question..re solar power
ye we use a hybrid solar -electric generator to power or biodiesel plant all the pumps and agitation systems are 12 volt as are tne boiler and blower.the boiler can run on methane or waste oil. we are planning a wind mill on top of the distillation tower.. marc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Teoman Naskali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cant remember now but i think read that uv light > helps the biodiesel production process, so would it do > any good if the methanol wvo mix was passed between 2 > piesecss of glass (2 old windows with a twisting path > to lengthen the journey). > > > Just a thought. > > Oh and another thought while i am at it, has anyone > used wind and solar power in theri processors? A > windpowered pump could be very usefull and you could > mix for a week for a very complete reaction. > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] introduction of newbie.
hello all, My name is Marc Orion Cardoso. im chairman of the Ecogenics center for the study of alternative solutions.(non profit)... known as Ecogenics. we are heavily involved in biofuels and operate an ethanol distillery which we are modyfying so as to also process wvo into biodiesel. We also do a lot of research in Algae production for food fuel and fertiliser.. you can see some of our work at www dabney.com/ecogenics/ or just go to ecogenics on google. looking foreward to being here.. Marc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Phenolphthalein
- Hi everclear is 190 proof. 200 proof is anhydrous alcohol and is not redily available except at distilleries or pharmaceutical supply houses. marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark McElvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A product called Everclear is a 200 proof pure grain alcohol sold hear in > the States > > -Original Message- > From: gobie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:52 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dermot" > > > Thanks for the help Paul, > > > > Now I can't get ethanol except in 45 gallon drums! > > Is vodka close enough to ethanol and could I mix the phenolphthalein with > > it? > > > > Regards > > Dermot > > Dermot, not being a consumer of things alcoholic I'm not sure of the proof > of vodka. 98% pure alcohol would be almost 200 proof. Don't imaging any > drink for human consumption would be that strong. Whilst working for a > pharmaceutical company once I was analysing one of their raw materials. The > analysis consisted in serial dilutions in pure ethanol with 2% hydrochloric > acid. Sucked a bit too hard on the pipette and got half a mouthful of the > brew. That night whilst eating dinner the 1st layer of skin came away from > the inside of my mouth. > > You could give the vodka a try. Soime brands of methylated Spirits sold out > here in Oz are mostly ethanol could be worth investigating. > Perhaps methanol could be substituted, the phenolphthalein definately > prefers to be disolved in alcohol. Have to be even more careful not to get > this mix on your skin though. > > Regards Paul Gobert. > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
