OT.Re: [biofuel] Request: Rice husk fuel, Cuba, Fidel
Hi David, Keith and All, --- David Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I agree with Keith and find this diatribe attacking Castro sounds like many a western government's foreign policy towards Cuba.I find it offensive and racist to attack another group like this and I think Jerry's been reading too many Reader's Digest stories (propaganja). At least Castro did'nt suck up to the Americans to get the embargo lifted so round one to him I think. FTW This group is no place for such off topic discussions so if you cant keep it shut, f..k off and have a go at Castro to his face if you've got the balls. mad dave Dave, I don't like being called a racist, Castro is the same race as me so how can that be racist? I've fought for 35 years against racist and for human rights. If you want the real facts about Fidel and Cuba check out Amnesty International's reports on them. Keith, I only mentioned that the benifits would go to Fidel and his party members, not the general Cuban population. If you don't want to believe what I say, fine. But attacking me was rude. But I will always stand up for human rights. You are the one who brought all the off topic stuff into it. You seem to do this to me all the time. I won't post anymore on this subject. Please remove me from the list. jerry dycus -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Request: Rice husk fuel, Cuba, Fidel
Hi Keith and All, Which of these facts do you despute? The embargo is still there because of Fidel keeping it in place with killing people, do you understand that? Every time we have tried to normalize relations he does something like this to stop it. This is a fact. Everyone and thing in Cuba is owned by the state, I like how you ignore that. This is a fact. Why does most of the population want to leave Cuba? This is a fact. Can you be equal and be owned by the state? Equal slavery? Would you like to be owned by the state? All the good stuff goes to party members who make sure there is no freedom of speech, movement, land ownership, ect. This is a fact. Living most of my 48 years amoung the Cuban refugees in Tampa and Key West, actually being in Cuba, and following Cuba closely gives me much more insight into the workings of Cuba. BTW I'm not fond of the refugees either. They are either the elite from the Batista regime or the criminals he let out of jail so he wouldn't have to feed them to a large degree. I'm comfortable with my facts because of first hand experence with Cuba and it's people. What experence do you have? You don't think that they can con people that are there for only a short time and are limited on who they can talk to? If you don't you are more niave than I thought. Hell, the media even in free countries have a hard time getting things right. If you went there for a while you would know. My mind is open which is not in your case. I wish for a free Cuba, do you? Just because they grow organicly doesn't mean they are good people. They grow organicly because the regime is bankrupt and can't afford any other way. This is a fact.. Have you seen what Fidel has done to the ecology of Cuba. He destroyed it by turning much of the land into sugar fields. Very little of natural Cuba is left and the fields are so bad that they hardly grow sugar. This is a fact. Why do all the boats, ships sailing in the windward passage have to hug the Bahamian shore even though it's more dangerous that sailing in the middle of it? It's because they confiscate or/and hold for ransom any ship, boat they can even in international waters. These are facts. Tell your story to the 4 people he shot out of the sky in international waters and the Bahamains in Bahamain waters that he ordered shot and killed to keep the US from normanlizing relations. These are just the tip of their willingest to do anything to stay in power. This is a fact. I can see straight, it's you who is putting your head in the sand. If non-party Cubans in Cuba would see your post they would laugh at the foolish gringo. They know the true meaning of hunger and lack of freedom. This is a fact. Again it's mostly the party members and tourist hotels that get the produce, not the regular people. BTW they do have a ministry of propaganda directly under Fidel, check it out. My facts are verifiable, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same ol' story, eh, Jerry? What makes you feel comfortable is facts, any other view is propaganda. BBC? Propaganda. Oxfam? Propaganda. Fact-finding missions by delegations of __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- StartMeUp jump starts your car's battery using only the cigarette lighter. $24.95 at Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/qbucSA/LTTDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [biofuel] Request: Rice husk fuel, Cuba, Fidel]
Hi Joel and All, --- Joel Bellenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, You also left out the facts that Cuba has long been recognized as leading Latin America in: 1) Literacy rates True, about the only good thing there. 2) Healthcare You've been listening to Fidel's propaganda too much. Check with any human rights org for the real facts. Compared to what? Medicine is not available to treat anything. They have little equipment. While they do have doctors they have little to work with. 3) Women's quality of life While women are more or less equal, The way they have to live with nothing makes it a pertty hollow equality. How can you be equal if the gov won't let you own land, travel abroad, find meat to eat,ect. I wish you would go live there with what the Cuban people have. You'd change your story quickly. Did I mention no free speech? No freedom of movement, no freedom for most everthing we take for granted? They don't have much to work with, but they make it go a long way and distribute wealth less unequally than most countries. Regards, joel That's a pretty hollow equality, jerry dycus PS Please edit your posts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- StartMeUp jump starts your car's battery using only the cigarette lighter. $24.95 at Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/20gskB/LTTDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Request: Rice husk fuel, Cuba, Fidel
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, If the people of Cuba really wanted to help themselves they would overthrow Fidel and the communist. I've watched as the US has 5 times tried to restart relations with Cuba and each time Fidel has done something like murder people in international waters and other such acts to stop it from happening. I live in Fla amoung the early refugee Cubans, the Batista's generation, which I can see why they would want to kick them out. Which, like Fidel, they are no better than the other dictators of past of central and so America and worst than many. So I don't want them to take power back either. Until Fidel and the Communist are gone things will not get better there to any degree worth mentioning. Having visited Cuba in 1979 and following the situation all my life the lives the people have to live is very sad. They have less than nothing most of the time. Just so you know whom you are helping, it's Fidel Castro and the commustist, not it's people who get nothing but some beans and rice but not even soap. jerry dycus Hm. No soap, even, eh? Now are you quite sure about that, Jerry? I mean, considering the following (which puts them somewhat ahead of the US), they probably don't go short of soap either: Yes Keith, they have little soap. You are assuming based on propaganda. Cuba was forced to find alternatives to petrol by the American embargo on trade with them. They caught onto the idea of using second hand oil that had already been used for cooking. Collection vans visit houses and business to take away their waste oil and turn it into biodiesel. Castro blames everything on the trade embargo rather than on himself where it belongs. There is 140 plus nations he can trade with. Why doesn't he? Because he and his regime is morally and economiclly bankrupt. As for used cooking oil for biodiesel, there is no such thing as waste cooking oil in Cuba. Every bit is used for food. To make biodiesel from food when his people are very underfed is criminal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/scienceshack/backcat/adamexp/wlbiodiesels.shtml BBC - Science - Science Shack - Biodieselsr ... nothing but some beans and rice you say, you're sure about that too? Yes. Almost all the good stuff goes to the tourist hotels and the high party members. There's a new revolution on the island nation of Cuba; this time in the production of food. The collapse of the Soviet Union forced Cuba to turn to small-scale organic farming and urban gardens. This dramatic agricultural transformation is unparalleled in the world today. American agricultural experts, including some Minnesotans, are taking notice... You sound like they do this for enviromental reasons. Either they do this or starve. They do organic because they have nothing else. There is like many other thing in Cuba there is no choice. Since Fidel owns all the land he only lets his favorite people, party members, do this. ... Nowadays, most Cubans have enough to eat. Urban gardens produce more than half of the fruits and vegetables consumed in Cuba. By law no chemicals can be used on any urban gardens The law is to prevent dollars from leaving the country, not for any other reason. The gardens produce so much of the crops because the communal farms are such a failure. ... In Havana, a city with slightly less population than the Twin Cities, 26,000 people work urban gardens. And so, the experts are asking, is Cuba's system of urban gardens worth exporting to the U.S. and other countries? Does it make sense that valuable urban land be used to grow food? Oxfam's Minor Sinclair says yes... Again these are there because of Fidels failure to feed his people from his failed regime. In 1990 Cuba's cheap supplies of grain, tractors and agrochemicals were cut off with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Pesticide use halved overnight, as did the calorie intake of its citizens. Strapped for cash, Cuba was forced to embrace low-input farming or starve. Today, oxen have replaced the tractors, and farmers have adopted organic methods, mixing maize with beans and cassava and doubling yields in the process, helping average calorie intake per person rise back to pre-1990 levels. -- An Ordinary Miracle, New Scientist, 3 February 2001. The Pre 1990's levels were some beans and rice, but not enough to have good health. This is the time I was there. The stores were empty. Were you there? I wish you had to live there under those conditions for a year, your tune would change. Despite the US embargo, Cuba has turned a severe food crisis into a sustained recovery in food production... Some have called Cuba a national laboratory in organic agriculture... Imports of pesticides
[biofuel] Request: Rice husk fuel, Cuba, Fidel
Hi All, If the people of Cuba really wanted to help themselves they would overthrow Fidel and the communist. I've watched as the US has 5 times tried to restart relations with Cuba and each time Fidel has done something like murder people in international waters and other such acts to stop it from happening. I live in Fla amoung the early refugee Cubans, the Batista's generation, which I can see why they would want to kick them out. Which, like Fidel, they are no better than the other dictators of past of central and so America and worst than many. So I don't want them to take power back either. Until Fidel and the Communist are gone things will not get better there to any degree worth mentioning. Having visited Cuba in 1979 and following the situation all my life the lives the people have to live is very sad. They have less than nothing most of the time. Just so you know whom you are helping, it's Fidel Castro and the commustist, not it's people who get nothing but some beans and rice but not even soap. jerry dycus --- cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See website of a company called BC International (www.bcintlcorp.com). Sounds like they might be able to help. - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fw: VITA Request: Rice husk fuel -Original Message- From: Bienvenido Sarria [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: information request November 13, 2001 To Whom It May Concern: My name is Bienvenido Sarria, I am a professor and researcher at the Center of Energy and Environmental Studies, at the University of Cienfuegos, Cuba. Our center is responsible for the development and implementation of alternative technologies in the area of energy and management in rural areas of the country taking into consideration the characteristics of the area and its natural resources. In various parts of our country we have several kinds of biomass available to use as a energy source for different process and the communities. Recently, we were given a task to develop a Pilot Plant to burn rice husk using Fluidized Beds technology. The intention is to use the rice husk available in the area to reduce the consumption of conventional fuels in the drying process of the rice and to produce electrical energy for the community where the rice plantations are located. Besides reducing the environmental impact this will also increase the employment positions available and will improve the living conditions of the area. This technology could be introduced in several communities in Cuba and Latin __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- StartMeUp jump starts your car's battery using only the cigarette lighter. $24.95 at Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/mNb7gB/LTTDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices/an alternative
Hi Dana and All, If there ever was a use for producer gas this is it. The ineff of the heat lost to make producer fuel gas isn't a problem because it can be put to use drying the crop too. Use the leftover biomass for the fuel and the ash for the new crop. As processed SVO as bioidiesel is worth $1.50 a gallon, it's most cost effective use would be motor fuel or use it in a straight svo fuel system with only filtering. jerry dycus --- Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about using SVO for other uses than reciprocating engines? In many areas crops must be dried after harvest. The usual setup on farms in my area (MN USA) uses a massive propane burner. This would be simple to switch over to SVO and void no manufacturer warrantee. We also have a large number of (hog) farrowing operations __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices
Hi John and All, WVO conversion is the best way to make money at biodiesel. If you don't want to collect it many people already do. Just buy it from them. It's cheap. For those who just want to make a living, collecting 200 gallons a day of WVO , converting it for about $.50 a gallon and selling it at $1.25 a gallon would make a reasonable living of $100 to $150 a day profit for about 6 hr work a day. If you are set on using virgin soybean oil it's currently priced at $.15 a lb in 60,000 lb lots for soybean oil. YMMV They sell biodiesel in quanity here for around $.99 in quanity and making a profit at it from WVO. These I believe are the first people to make biodiesel commercially, they have been making it for at least 6 years. There are US gov incentives that help pay for virgin feedstock. Does anyone know where to find out what these incentives are? Does anyone know where to find the prices of other virgin veg oils like corn, canola/rape, sunflower or peanut oil? If one wants to farm the oil costs are reduced by selling the meal for feed or raise animals yourself to feed it and the straw to. Use the manure for gas and/or fertilizer. The farmers just selling soybeans are losing a lot of profit. That's why farmers go broke. Making biofuel on a farm is a multi- product operation if you want it to work profitably. jerry dycus --- John Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am trying to figure out is if there is a reasonable business case to produce BioD to supplement farm income, not just to supply fuel for the farm __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] running a house from a generator
Hi Harmon and All, You can use 12vdc for most things and an inverter for most of the rest with a biofuel ICE gen as backup and for those really heavy things most of us will never use. With the right 12vdc units the difference is about nil. I've lived happily with 12vdc for 20 plus years. jerry dycus --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: Hi Ed and All, Running a house 24/7 from a generator su--s. I tried for a few days and the generator drove me crazy. Well, yeah, if you're just talking about a little air-cooled genset. No, you don't want to do that -- not only will it be costly and noisy, but it won't last very long at all. You have to have a nice water-cooled engine to start with, then you enclose it with about 1 foot or better of insulation all around, and a very long, water cooled exhaust system. Done right, you'll never hear a sound. And if the engine is sized right, it will just sit there spinning away at 1200-1800 rpm, it'll last forever. The best way is to run everything from a battery system charged from wind, solar, hydro or for last resort a generator a few hrs a day. Unless you make it a cogen (heat and power) unit running on biodiesel or woodgas (or both). Almost all the household needs can be met with 12vdc. Any that can't can be run from an inverter. A good way to make a 12vdc refridgerator is to make a top openning box or take a well insulated regular fridge and turn it on it's back and put in a 12vdc boat conversion unit to cool it. I like to use norcold 12vdc rv/boat fridges that the box has rusted out, take the working parts out and install them into the well insulated top loading box. I pick these rusted fridges for $25 all the time at flea markets, ect. That takes care of the most problematic load. A fridge is fairly easy, but a real freezer -- I mean one big enough to seriously put away a lot of your garden and a deer or two -- isn't. If I was going to try to run a freezer off of batteries, I'd build the whole thing from scratch, big super-insulated box, and a compressor unit from a commercial unit with a DC motor. But probably 24vdc. 12vdc lights, fans, stereos, tv's, pots and pans,ect are availiable at RV and boat stores everywhere. This kind of system will cost less in the long run and be much easier to live with. Well, except you still have to heat and aircondition your house, run aircompressors and welders, and all that stuff. So, for me, that makes a cogen unit seem a whole lot more practical. Do it all with power to spare. I lived for awhile with a 12vdc system, but it was pretty limiting, especially with the price of 12v tools, and all the rest. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] running a house from a generator
Hi Ed and All, Running a house 24/7 from a generator su--s. I tried for a few days and the generator drove me crazy. The best way is to run everything from a battery system charged from wind, solar, hydro or for last resort a generator a few hrs a day. Almost all the household needs can be met with 12vdc. Any that can't can be run from an inverter. A good way to make a 12vdc refridgerator is to make a top openning box or take a well insulated regular fridge and turn it on it's back and put in a 12vdc boat conversion unit to cool it. I like to use norcold 12vdc rv/boat fridges that the box has rusted out, take the working parts out and install them into the well insulated top loading box. I pick these rusted fridges for $25 all the time at flea markets, ect. That takes care of the most problematic load. 12vdc lights, fans, stereos, tv's, pots and pans,ect are availiable at RV and boat stores everywhere. This kind of system will cost less in the long run and be much easier to live with. I lived for 20 years on a sailboat with only 12vdc without a problem, generated by wind and tidal/ sailing speed powered generators. While Real Goods does have some good stuff I call them Real Pricy Goods now. For the original poster do you have any good wind, hydro or solar potential at your site? If you do I'd go for that. Ed's extra insulation trick really works. Put the most on the bottom like 3, 2 on the sides and 1 on the top will really decrease the time it runs and power consumed.If building one from scratch put another inch on the bottom and sides. Little cool escapes the top. Urethane foam is twice as good as styrofoam. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggest adding lots of insulation around the standard (cheap) freezer. Locate in unheated outbuilding or garage so it does not have to run much in winter. Same space should have lots of insulation in summer. Reflective insulation and 2 stryofoam works well to add insulation to a freezer, BTW. On the outside. Worked well for the fridge on my boat, at least. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel prices
Hi Ronald and All, The local Tampa bus line buys their B100 at $.99 a gallon from the company that used to be named NOPEC. Using free WVO it should be able to be made for $.50 a gal and sold for $1.50 at most. Anyone selling for more than that isn't doing it right or screwing people. jerry dycus --- Sharon Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the current price per litre of B100 and for comparison that of petro diesel ?( in the USA that is ) regards Ronald. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Does all forms of power generation kill things?
Hi, They are painting eyes and putting on reflective strips on the blades to cut bird strikes down. It's an overblown danger I believe. Of the 30 small windgenerators I've built and installed non have killed a bird that I know of. Here in Fla we have a big problem of buttheads letting cats breed and turning them loose to be ferral. They kill a lot of squirrels and birds but nature has come up with a solution. We have large owls here and I've seen them catching and eating the ferral cats. Talk about loud in the middle of the night!! I'm currently working on non-dam hydro electric generation systems that have the eco impact of a rock the same size. A 10 kw unit is in the design stage now for home and small businesses. A 100kw module for utility use will be next. They will help replace the dam hydro units that may be taken out of service because of eco reasons and the stretches that run at 2mph or more. These will produce serious power with almost nil eco impact. I'm going to test the big unit for eco impact by swimming through it while running. And no I'm not crazy, well at least not about this! ;-) jerry dycus --- light as a feather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't there anyway to shield? Some sort of enclosure or something? It seems an awfully sad reason to blow off wind power all together... sarah ~ You gotta be crazy Its too late to be sane... -Robin Williams ~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] E85
Hi Steve and All, Thanks everyone for the E85 vehicle info. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see www.e85fuel.com __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question
on non-dam hydro making electricity for 1 to 2 cents/kwhr. Add to that biofuels from waste, energy farming we can create many jobs here instead of shipping our money and jobs overseas. Write letters to papers and congress now. I do. That is an outline of how hydrogen can become competitive with energy from oil. Please feel free to disagree with any of the points I've mentioned (they are not mine, I'm merely repeating what I have read and heard in over 30 years of interest in hydrogen), but don't compare electrolytic hydrogen from coal or oil fired powerplants (or worse, from photovoltaics!) with solar thermal electrolytic hydrogen. The key to effective H2 production lies in using hot, concentrated solar processes that thermodynamically favor electrolysis and answer the exergy issue. We have the technology to do this right now--not in thirty years. Not without wasting a lot of money. Whenever I mention this over at sci.energy.hydrogen the silence from people whose education and experience far exceeds my own simply astonishes me. Now, can we return to talking about biofuels? We are. jerry dycus robert luis rabello __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel, Biofuel workshop in Sacramento 9-25
Hi All, Running through the Cal Energy Commission website I noticed that there is a biodiesel/biofuel workshop they are putting on in Sacramento, Cal on 9-25 at the Hyatt Rengency Hotel. It's under Alt Fuel Vehicles on their website. If someone goes could they let us know if anything worthwhile is said? jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How do you convert a fuel injected vehicle?
Hi All, Most newer US cars can use 25/40 ethanol/gas mixture if you have 100% alcohol. Many flexible fuel cars are already out there mostly running straight gas but will run E85/ M85, 85% ethanol/ methanol and 15% gas. Many owners don't even know they are. Look for the FFV logo on the front side of the car. Detroit built a lot of them, I think 200,000+. Anyone have better details and which model years/ makes and are they still doing it? jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are serious about this conversion, you should contact Power Chip of Orlando Florida they will make custom chips for computer controlled vehicles __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question
Hi Bob? and All, Could the people on the list please edit your posts. 15K to 42K just for 1 or 2 lines isn't cool. Always edit the trailers/ signatures because they are about 4K+ each. Many posts lately have had as many as 8 of these . Also if you edit well listees will be able to read it easier and figure out what you are talking about. On H2 go for it if you want but because of storage problems and energy wasted when making it make it a net energy loser. Using high value electric energy to make H2 is a real loser. Steve is right about it and if you are smart you'll listen to him. jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we don't have enough low cost energy to free the hydrogen from the water. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bio diesel in lanterns, Heaters
Hi Todd and All, Needing a heater for this winter would a multi-wick floating on WVO with a 1/2 inch rise work? Kind of like the VO floating candles but with larger wicks. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, We've tried blends of biodiesel with distillate lamp oil and found the result to be the same as with straight biodiesel - insufficient wicking properties. Have not tried any other dilutants as of yet. Biodiesel will dissolve in large amounts of methanol. It might do the same with ethanol. It would certainly alter the combustion and safety properties to somewhere between a Bunsen burner and an oil lamp. I don't know if ethanol's hydrophilic properties would begin to pose problems with a lamp left idle for long periods or not. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Kissick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bio diesel in lanterns Thyanks Todd I thought as much.Is there a process to bring down the specific gravity for biodiesel.For example cutting it with ethanol perhaps. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bd 2 stroke, caster oil warning
Hi All, Beware about breathing the fumes of castor oil in 2 stroke exhausts. It will cause your bowel to forcefully evactuate making a very embarrassing mess. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update
Hi Keith and All, CRC is selling gallons of diesel fuel garrentied to make a diesel pass emissions test where they have them. Could this just be Biodiesel? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Well some said no and some yes , I'm here to say that it dose work as 2 stroke oil and quite well at that , at first I was hasades to use it in my chain saw but after a while and having given it some thought, I used a 20 to 1 mix and it worked fine the smell is some what that off a high grade synthetic 2 stroke oil that I have used in the past , after using the saw for 2.5 hours in one go on dead Australian hard wood with no hick ups I was very impressed to say the leased So there you go, you can use it as 2 stroke oil and don't let any-one tell you other wise until they had tried it for them selfs Martin R. Good on you Martin! I felt sure that'd be the case, but nothing like knowing, eh? Wonder what would happen if you changed the gasoline for ethanol? By the way, not sure about it, but I've been told synthetic oil more or less IS biodiesel, with lots of processing and no-doubt well-additived. Thanks! Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update
Hi ED and All, CRC is a company that makes lubs and other things. Mostly known for it's consumer spray can oils, lubes and solvents but has many other products. I use them a lot. jerry dycus --- Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is CRC? - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update Hi Keith and All, CRC is selling gallons of diesel fuel garrentied to make a diesel pass emissions test where they have them. Could this just be Biodiesel? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Well some said no and some yes , I'm here to say that it dose work as 2 stroke oil and quite well at that , at first I was hasades to use it in my chain saw but after a while and having given it some thought, I used a 20 to 1 mix and it worked fine the smell is some what that off a high grade synthetic 2 stroke oil that I have used in the past , after using the saw for 2.5 hours in one go on dead Australian hard wood with no hick ups I was very impressed to say the leased So there you go, you can use it as 2 stroke oil and don't let any-one tell you other wise until they had tried it for them selfs Martin R. Good on you Martin! I felt sure that'd be the case, but nothing like knowing, eh? Wonder what would happen if you changed the gasoline for ethanol? By the way, not sure about it, but I've been told synthetic oil more or less IS biodiesel, with lots of processing and no-doubt well-additived. Thanks! Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ]- Perko lamps- wick heaters
Hi Todd and All, Try boat supply stores for the Perko brand of lamps and others with circular wicks. Can someone with experience with wick heaters on filtered WVO and biodiesel. Winter is coming up and I want to heat with WVO this winter. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have accurate idea as to where one can find a contemporary supplier of Argand style oil lamps? These are circular wicked, with a draught tube running through the center of the wick to oxygenate the combustion process. The flame burns on both the interior and exterior of the circular wick, providing considerably greater candle power than the traditional raw oil lamps. The same tube transfers heat to the oil in the fuel chamber, pre-heating it, permitting greater wicking properties for oils that normally do not wick well. Chimney is the norm. Circa 1784 is when the patent was filed by Ami Argand. US Patent Trademark Office only has records on line back to 1790. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/zoU8wD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New here, have questions
Hi Walter and All, --- walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! This is the best response to a question I've ever gotten in any group! Thanks! Your welcome, it is a good group. If I had a MG with the motor already out I'd go 1 of 2 ways. As Ed said, a Kabota 3 cyl 18 hp diesel would get you about 80 to 100 MPG. The car Ed was talking about is on the Robert Q Riley website. Many good homebuilt cars on this site including the Doran, the Urba series and running on electric, diesel and gas. Good design papers on small and 3 wheel cars too under downloads. Making biodiesel from waste veg oil will be a lot easier and cheaper. The other way is electric. There are several on the web. Check out the EV Photo Album for some MG's and put in EV MG in yahoo and you will find others. There's one website with a complete photo series of the whole process from SF. Look around EV on yahoo and you'll find it. If you make your own alcohol I'd use it 80 to 90% with the rest water. You really need to raise the compression ratio to at least 12-1 to get better power and mileage. I wouldn't make alcohol unless you have something like cattle or pigs to use the leftover mash. The most difficult thing for making alcohol is getting the last 10% of water out of it but if you use it straight some water is no problem. It will take a lot more than 4 apple trees to make enough alcohol for it. For making electricity a wind genorator or hydro is a more cost effective way. EV range can be increased by charging at work or other places or making a fueled genorator to run while driving and/or parked. A 3kw genorator will give unlimited range. But the eventual goal I have is power self-sufficiency, hopefully within five years. With electric, I think I can produce enough solar source? Does this sound like the impossible dream? No it's not, many have already did it. jerry dycus thanks walter __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Hi Harmon and All, --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that's not true --- a number of states have actually legalized some pilot plots to be grown, not just a *study* of whether or not to do it. And the LaKota Souix tribe (a sovereign nation) in the Dakotas has fully legalized the growing of hemp on tribal land. True, the fedz have raided and destroyed their plot last year and this, but the court action has begun, and, it is highly probable that the tribe will prevail --- their treaty gives specifically spells out the right to grow whatever crops they wish. I heard that the governor of Kentucky after the raid loaded up a truck load of hemp and drove it to the tribe. Hemp has always grown in the US. It's all over Missouri, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky growing wild in large quanities left over from the WWII Hemp for Victory program. The armed forces needed good rope for the war and hemp doesn't rot or melt. The weird thing is most is on federal properties like national forests. It's sad that a plant loved by our founding fathers, Washington and Jefferson amoung others, could end up being so lied about by the feds. The feds have no shame. As will the states, eventually --- the fedz are going to end up looking pretty stupid trying to defend their policy in light of the commercial farming of hemp all around the world. Not to mention the increasing legalization of marijuana itself in so many countries -- Canada being one of them shortly. The only reason it isn't legal completely in many countries is the US threatning them with anything they can like trade, aid, ect. They have went as far as to force scienctist to change their research when hemp, marijauna was looking good. Others intimidated by the US are the AMA, US Center for Disease Control, UN panel on Drugs, ect. jerry dycus Richard J Laue wrote: Todd says: Several states have enacted legislation to study industrial hemp and or to permit farmers to grow it. I was informed last week that Montana has just joined this list. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Hi Steve and All, In 10 or so states it's legal now for industral hemp. Most of these states allow medical marijauna too. The Feds are still pissed about it though. But it's hard to make a federal case from something that the states say is legalin their state. Let's hope they come to their senses and legalize it federally. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car primer
Hi Dick, Pedro and All, Pedro, thanks for the URL. The tanks are huge and wouldn't be practical to change though with a cooling system, more weight, they could be filled fairly fast, 10 minutes from very large storage tanks at even higher pressures. To quote their figures it takes 3.5 hours at 5kw to recharge them from their compressor. This is 17.5 Kw. How much does your electricity cost? Here it's about $.10 a Kwhr. Also in the last 1/3 of the tank power will go way down to nothing at 1/8 tank pressure, under 400 lbs, because of the way the strange motor works. At 50 mph or stop and go, hills at 35 mph, range would be about 20 miles. So that's $1.75 for 20 miles realilisticly is $.0875 a mile for fuel. Quite high vs $.01 to .02 for EV's. That's assuming he didn't use selective, unlikely satistics like in the other stats he uses in other places. For instance he does max range at 20 km/hr. Not very practical. I can build an EV to beat these easily, cheaply. In the same car using EV tech would weigh the same or less. To claim 300km at 20 kmhr to prove it will run for 10 hours says it all. --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negre's aircar is an urban, repeat, urban vehicle. it is not designed or meant to travel on i-95 from boston to ny. it is meant to travel within an urban environment, moving driver plus four passengers. it uses 70 % of the road space, and costs 25 % of what the selectra costs. it weighs 700 + pounds less than the selectra. While this is true the Selectra will go 400 plus miles at these speeds, 35 mph. I would not want to be in any kind of crash in the air car because you will be history from it's bad space design. That doesn't include the problems of the dangers of the huge tanks that have NO crash, crush space. Even crashing into a small, 2000 lb steel car at 25 mph would be disasterous. The composite EV I'm building will be 10 times as safe at 300 lbs less including batts. Of course it's only 2+2 but still. Another problem is stabilty if you put more than the driver and even with just the driver it will roll faster than a Ford Explorer. Loaded to what the designer says it will carry it will be dangerous. It's called Center of Gravity. Another thing is the exhauts is - 30C. That's a hell of a lot of heat lost which cost money, eff. with a full charge of air the range varies between 62 and 186 miles, depending on how fast, or uphill, or heavy, you travel. At 20 kmhr , 15 mph that range is a joke. Expolating it the 62 mile range would be at 35 mph on flat with steady speed, again a joke. A good EV will beat the crap out of that. My EV can get 250 miles+ with golf cart batteries at 35 mph. it can re-charge to 100 % in less than three minutes, which neither the solectra, or any other electric car for that matter, can do. (100 %, not 80 %) True but for less cost and weight than the onboard compressor you could have an APU to charge while you drive at 1/3 the energy cost of the air car. 80% charge in 15 minutes is good enough for me. Ni-cads can go 100% in 20 minutes now. it is an alternative, not a magic bullet. just as the selectra, or the think, are alternatives. But comparitively not a not very good one. A 1909 Baker Electric will beat the pants off the aircar in range at the same speeds. The car companies seem to want EV's to fail and are making it happen. Here in the US there are thousands of people converting gas cars to electric that are very sucessful, why can't the car companies? the aircar is 100 % privately funded, and has no direct or indirect connection to any car manufacturer. And I think now that I've seen the website I know why, it's I believe a scam. Why else would they use such unrealistic satistics. If the truth came out no investors would bite. and the more the market knows about alternatives, the wiser the choice it can make. But unless you are technical you wouldn't know how bad the air car is. As a car designer it's easy for me. berating somebody's effort, or ideas, just because they don't coincide with yours, is not my idea of progress. and using information out of context -- as when comparing apples and pears -- is like cheating at solitaire. imho. It was the closest thing I could find. Other than being 25% heavier but proporionate it is a good comparision even with lead batteries it beats the pants off the air car. Cost in production wouldn't be that different considering the greatly higher performance. It also has the benifit of being independently tested, something I didn't see on the website of the air car. . I would love to see it succeed but I don't see it happening. You can't change phyics. jerry dycus '...or close up the wall with our english dead...' (again, ws) ? cheers, dick
Re: [biofuel] Millennium Cell
Hi Keith and All, Before you get to enthusiastic find out how much energy it take to make this stuff. It may not be eff. Also many catalyst use very expensive materials. That's the big hangup with fuel cells now. jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.millenniumcell.com Millennium Cell is a development stage company focused on the generation of a new, clean, abundant and renewable source of energy. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why biofuels ???
Hi Keith and All, If Chuck is this rude again we should axe him. It's uncalled for. I disagree with Pedro too but would never be as disrespectful as Chuck. jerry dycus --- Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a con job. Are you always going to be stupid? - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car missconceptions, you got that right:
Hi Dick and All, --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the air car is presently manufactured in france. it is a thoroughly road tested vehicle. there is one us franchise already, so local non-believers will soon be able to stand corrected. Do you have an URL for it? How many have been built? it is an urban car. lightweight, agile, easy to fix/repair, crashworthy tested. an entry level urban car, low priced, and versatile (there are delivery van/pick-up/taxi/passenger car versions). What is it's range? Who is using it besides the factory? Who verified the performance? and it is not the 'ultimate' solution. no vehicle is. mtbf, service requirements, topography, user profile, mission profile, opportunity cost, operating cost, are just a few of the variables that should be taken into account when comparing vehicles. as to the ev/air car non-controversy, i go back to my initial statement: we should compare energy densities, and more precisely weight/energy densities. someone posted that rolling resistance was only influential to 25 mph. i would hazard that most urban situations will be well within that envelope. EV's can get over 230 plus mile range verified in an EV traveling on I-95 at 75 mph between Boston and NY. This EV only weighs 2300 lbs, carries 4 passengers and a top speed regulated to 85 mph. Selectra Sunrise is it's make, model. Is that good enough density for you? Can an air powered car do it? What would an air car with these ratings weigh? Could it even be built? With air cars energy/ volume would be the problem too. What is it? The other person was talking about long range. If you only need a 5 mile range air may work. Not good for most people. The one's built in the US were really bad in these points. Some barely went 1 mile and they froze up. Waiting for verifiable facts, I have mine, waiting for yours, jerry dycus once more onto the breach, my dear friends, once more.(ws) cheers, dick __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have we a response for this problem ??. For sure, it´s the question of the future of biofuels Aye. I agree with Pedro. The money will go to the most effective lobbying , more dedicated to nuclear means less for renewables research. Nuclear has had its chance, and share of the public treasury for decades. Time to shift to renewables. Who cares? On this point, at least, we should. And the response is clear. Don't let the $ go there. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca Yea, I'll second that (third it?). Maybe we can shift this discussion from the pros and cons of nukes to how best to accomplish such an aim. There should be no subsidies for any nukes, coal or fossil fuels, that is how we got into this energy mess in the first place. If there were no subsidies for them, biofuels would be cheaper than them, thus used now. Oil is said to be over $100 a barrel ( Wall Street Journal) if the subsidies were not there. I'd guess it's about $60 to $80 a barrel. Biodiesel and other biofuels only cost under $50 a barrel now, if the true cost of petroleum was charged the world would be a better place. Not to mention the increased number of jobs, less pollution, better balance of payments, national security and decentralization of energy sources. I support only a temporary subsidy for RE's to catch up and removal of the present fossil fuel subsidies. I've been in contact with my and other congressmen, no women yet in my area, about RE and stopping corporate welfare, subsidies to the fossil fuel, corporate farms and other industries. In the US it only take a couple of hundred of phone calls, letters to impress politicians enough to do something. They don't get many. I am sorry I posted about nukes and will not do it again. I didn't think it would take up this much bandwidth. Thanks, jerry dycus Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Cordain and All, --- doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that when you wrap a EV around a tree or have a serious accident there is the potential for a Hazmat situation (drip or no drip it's still acid and hydrogen), electrocution or electrical fire. Whereas compressed air is just that. Sweep up the pieces and go. There is little acid or H2 in lead batteries. The acid nowdays will only hurt your clothes unless left on for a while. Gasoline on your skin will burn it a lot faster. These or electrocution hasn't happened in any of the EV's that have crashed. These are not problems in real life. Get over it. I'm still looking for some life span studies on batteries as compared to compressed air. I cannot believe that the manufacture, maintenance and disposal cost for batteries is lower than that of compressed air systems. If so I better go replace my pnuematic jackhammer with one of those battery operated rigs. I'm running Flooded Ni-cads in my E-bike that are over 25 years old and still put out more than rated power. How long do you want them to last? If you include energy per mile Ev's will beat air by several times over 10 years. Let's stop the unrelated comparisions, OK? They only show how desperate you are to prove your point. On another note what is to stop someone from adding a generator/alternator to one of the drag wheels to power a high efficiency compressor? As long as you dont exceed the maximum recovery rate of the compressor, your station refills could be limited to the occasional pressure top off for those heavy loads. This shows you really don't understand energy eff. Join the free energy list. errands. You will never see a practical EV long haul tractor trailer. And I have Unlike cars, tractor-trailers run at max power all the time making them eff. But even there hybird electric is about 25% better. yet to see any EV that will drive straight thru from Virginia to Florida at highway speeds. I like to get there without 8 hour layovers for the car to charge. I've never seen a car that can do it either. Ev's can charge in 15 minutes . They do it all the time at LAX in their airport limo's. They run 24 hr a day just recharging while loading up new passengers. I would like to see your working example of an air car doing the same? Where are they? They don't exist, do they? Until you can show a real working example you are just hot air. So put up or be quite. Compressed air technology has the advantage of substituting liquid gas for compresssed gases for the purpose of increasing the ranges. No they don't. Again this shows you don't know what you are talking about. Just how is liquid air going to increase your range? While it sounds good it has the problem that you have to put energy into it to turn it back into pressure. How you liquidfy air is you take all the energy out of it. Using the heat of the air to reexpand it thru heat exchangers will just clog the HE with ice. Will not work at all in winter. The only other way is to burn fuel to reheat it. EV's stay relativly constant with the amount of charge they will contain and last time I checked they still take several hours to gain a full range charge. Another Apparently you haven't checked around much. advantage is the wasted energy from gas expansion is used to the cool the vehilce. Do they make EV's with AC? Now there is one advantage of air power. And yes they make EV's with AC's. Sure it takes energy to power the compressors. I'd love to see a high compression plant powered by alternative energies. If that where to be the case than IMHO the EV car theory would be put aside as the antiquated technology it is. But you can still go 3 or 4 times as far on the same energy with an EV than an Air car. How eco is that? Please learn some before talking about things you obviously know little about. Take a science course. Good Luck, you'll need it, jerry dycus Respectfully, Cordain Dulles, VA __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Millennium Cell
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.millenniumcell.com Millennium Cell is a development stage company focused on the generation of a new, clean, abundant and renewable source of energy. Millennium Cell's patented boron-based energy technology delivers a hydrogen fuel that is safe, clean and easily transported, without the need for compression or liquefaction. In addition, we are developing longer-life batteries based on boron electrochemistry. Have you folks heard of this before? I guess not actually a biofuel, but seems very relevant. If true could be good. But even if true you still need to make H2 to store. Then you still need something to use the H2. The good thing for us is it's easy to make H2 by heating most biomass to 1600F turns it to H2 and CO, syn-gas. Also isn't boron deadly? What about boron salts? Are they stable enough to keep boron safe? Are they safe? jerry dycus Tim __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: New Paint - Same Nukes was Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Todd, Keith and All, Keith, Inheritly safe reactors are designed so that if the cooling fails nothing bad happens. The nuclear balls are used in a gas cooled reactor. They have small amounts of nuke fuel surrounded by carbon sealed by several layers of nickel carbide. They heat up to about 1800F and stablize. A better nuke is one that will not melt down and burns up the old nuke warheads thus getting rid of them while making energy stopping, replacing the massive radioactivity, heavy metal, acid rain pollution from coal. I believe it will make the world a better, safer place. Coal is a much larger danger to mankind than new type nuke power plants by far. Do you really want all that nuke bomb material lying around? I don't, lets destroy it. The only good way to destroy it is to burn it up. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. U.Jerry, Pray tell...How can you be so up on your efficiency and conversion ratios on so many fuel sources, but not know about the exhorbidantly phenomenal energy input and emissions outputs for processing nuclear fuels? While it does take a lot of energy to make nuke fuel I don't want to make more, just burn up what we have from nuke bombs, a huge amount. I'll feel a lot better when it's burned up. While I don't have the math on producing nuke fuel from scratch I don't believe it's more than it puts out but that doesn't matter as I just want to burn up what we have. At least 100 years worth. In fact, when taking into consideration all mining, transportation and processing / enrichment energies for nuclear fuel, there is a greater consumption than if coal alone had been used to generate the same number of gigawatts. But coal produces many times more high level radiation products than the nuke industry besides other bad things. Tons per year for each coal plant. Not only is nuclear not energy efficient, it is not clean, as disposal remains a problem, water and atmospheric contamination and releases remain ongoing problems and coal is the primary fuel used to process nuclear fuels. In the US hydro is used in the area where the processing is done. The disposal problem is political, not practical. Further more, in these not always so lucid United States, not one single reactor in the nation mirrors another. Therefore, emergency response teams essentially have to learn the individual characteristics of over 100 different animals. Even employees cannot go from one plant to the next without undergoing considerable re-training. The new type plants are to be identical and 1/10 the size of the hot water reactors. They learned their lesson and are changing. Reactors will be built on an assembly line and shipped to the plant site. Kinda' like kicking Henry Ford off the assembly line, bringing in truckloads of tricycle, bicycle, lawnmower, baby carriage, motorcycle and spinning wheels, willy nilly attaching them to Model Ts, with no two vehicles ever ending up the same. See above. At least the Frogs had sense(?) enough to duplicate most of their plants, permitting staff and response teams to operate equally as proficiently in one as in any other. Finally the Frogs get one right!! Thanks for showing the way. The real clincher? The US Department of Energy is perfectly prepared to permit new construction of nuclear plants using the same shotgun method - no mold - no pattern - no conformity in applied technology - and still maintaining an unflinching acceptance of inherantly dangerous Light Water Reactors (LWRs). I doubt this is true as the new plants cost much less to build and run not to mention safer. Clean? Not a snowflake's chance in hell. And no level of cryogenics will make it so. A lot cleaner than coal and what does cryogenics have to do with it? Nothing. Safe? Not much more than the Hindenberg. A red herring if I ever saw one. You probably believe that the H2 blew up. What happened was the material used for the skin was very simular to solid rocket fuel and that static electricity ignited the skin. Did you know 2/3's of the passrengers survived because once the H2 did ignite it carried the flames up saving many people. Glowingly yours, jerry dycus ;-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Chuck and All, --- Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you really this stupid or are you on drugs? Be nice Chuck, he doesn't understand english well yet, but he's trying. This forum is for learning about energy, not calling others names. There is room for all opinions even if you don't agree. It's better to state the reasons you disagree that being hurtful. It doesn't help your case by being that way. Let's teach, learn instead. Some of his ideas are quite good and he seems to care and have a good heart which is what really matters. Your's seems a litte dark. jerry dycus - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@vm4-ext.prodigy.net; Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: [biofuel] Nuclear Does anyone know if there is any anti-nuclear or anti-petrol day ??. I think this is very necessary, because of the Bush Politics. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. All the best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: New Paint - Same Nukes was Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry Hm. I thought Todd might have made a mistake picking the Hindenberg as a metaphor. Not that it's the wrong metaphor, just that it got the wrong response. Okay then, let's pretend the Hindenberg wasn't a disaster at all. Neither was the Titanic, it was the iceberg that was badly designed. I guess your view of nukes fits in quite well with that. You haven't really responded to Todd's letter at all, nor to mine. Disposal isn't a real problem, eh? What've you been smoking? Good stuff!!! ;-) jerry dycus Keith Addison Journey to Forever __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp as Biomass for Energy
Hi Tim and All, Several things jump out to me. You seem to expect 1 crop per year while most areas other than Canada will support 3 to 4 crops per year. Methanol cost well under $1 per gal in industral quanities. Methanol increases the amount of biodiesel by maybe 1/2 the methanol quanity adding value. Anyone care to comment on this? Syntroleum(sp?) Corp process, making a diesel like fuel from syn gas has about 90% of the energy of diesel rather than 40% like you say by some other process? These points greatly increase the cost effectiveness of hemp as a biofuel. Thanks for the good work, jerry dycus --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list, Though I rarely make a contribution to this list, I have learned a great deal from all of your open sharing of ideas and information. A while back I posted a link to a paper I was working on regarding Hemp as Biomass for Energy. Prior to that I asked Keith to look over my work, which he graciously did, thank you Keith. Todd also got a peek at it, but as he was falling off his feet (which I assume means he was really tired) he only took a squint at it and said he would read more later and get back to me. He has not gotten back to me. Now, to the point of this post: Could you all please take a look at this and comment? I would really appreciate your honest, objective comments. http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm Thanks in advance, Tim Castleman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Dick, Harmon, David and All, David, Since you are wrong, who is the wanker? There is an old saying, it's better to let people think you are a fool than to open you mouth and remove all doubt. If you don't know and are guessing it's better to ask. There are no dumb questions, we all have to start somewhere. Harmon, For a given power storage there is little difference in weight needed between air and battery systems when everything is included with the better battery systems like ni-cads. Not much difference with lead acid either. If use the same power source to charge the car the air system will use 4 times the power per mile so which makes more pollution? --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negre's air motor uses compressed air. this could (or not) cause 'centralised pollution. but this also holds true for ev's. But only 1/4 as much, see above. methinks what should be compared is the energy efficiency of compressed air vs. batteries, as storage mediums. Lead-acid batts are 90- 95% eff, air storage is maybe 40% or less eff. Those are really big differences. And that's just the storage, the rest goes down from there. and personally, i'd feel safer riding a windbag than a leadsled. Until you get in a crash and your 3000, 4500 PSI tanks blow up. Have you ever seen one of these blow, not pretty. Plus on an EV the batts can be put to absorb the crash forces like mine does. Battery acid isn't a problem either. How many times have a battery been a problem in an ICE. With as many crashes as they have had I've never heard of a problem. and of course a windbag will need less energy to move itself than an ev will, rolling resistance being proportional to weight. Weight only matters under 25 mph where they are about equal, over that air drag goes up the square of speed. but then, nothing beats a horse and buggy, right steve ? Can you imagine the smell of 100,000 horses in a small city? Really ripe!! You can have my share. ;-) the physics behind this thing are solid. and the marketing is brilliant = 500 factories world wide, all privately owned. the goals are modest = the franchise in spain calls for six factories, each able to put out 8-12'000 vehicles/yr. and the price is reasonable, u$s 8'000 for the unit built in spain. cost per factory, all in, is under u$s 4'500'000. less than what a learjet sells for, or what a full bells and whistle biodiesel facility sets you back, for that matter.. I'm usally impressed by your logic but it fails this time. it's definitely a city car. the taxi version is based on the ubiquitous london taxi layout. and at a penny a mile, it's hard to beat (mexico city is supposed to be getting 22'000 air taxis, starting this year). service stations in spain charge 250 pesetas a full charge (90 m^3) which translates to u$s 1.32 this gives over 130 miles range. Someone's been smoking good stuff!!! we have nation-wide availability of compressed natural gas service stations in argentina. transforming these bi-fuel (gas or air) would be as simple as putting additional filtering in, and a selector valve. the installed compressors are capable of quite a bit more than the 300 bar required for the air car. so re-fueling in argentina (or many other countries for that matter, such as italy) would be instantly available. and the on-board compressor is electric, not ic powered. Have you ever filled a tank to 300 bar,4500psi? Not easy, quick or cheap. With an onboard compressor it would take many hours and it would cost $3,000 plus and weigh 300 plus lbs. Double the cost and weight to cut the time in 1/2. Lead-acid batts can be charged 80% in 15 minutes. Air would take that long plus and need large amounts of cooling at a large air plant. Of course the cooling is more wasted energy. i find the concept and execution to be almost flawless. but then, i'm just a lateral thinker, having flunked 'nit-picking 101' at school. Picking nits is what counts. jerry dycus cheers, dick snip = polite, considerate, thoughtful, thrifty, aok. this is a public service message. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Pedro asnd All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is any anti-nuclear or anti-petrol day ??. I think this is very necessary, because of the Bush Politics. I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. While I'd go for an anti-fossil fuel day most of us on this list want to make fuels like petro from biomass without the problems with fossil petroleum. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are I'm more of an anti greedy, non-caring corporation person. As a general thing gobalization will help people overcome poverty, have a freer, better life if we can keep control of the corporations, corrupt goverments. they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Better to steer them to better nukes to burn up the nasty stuff. ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. I'd really love to see it. But since they are not, we will. People all over the world read this list and are starting biofuel plants bypassing the big corporations. All the best. Same to you, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Harmon and All, --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: For a given power storage there is little difference in weight needed between air and battery systems when everything is included with the better battery systems like ni-cads. Not much difference with lead acid either. Can you give us an example of a 5 passenger, 700 kilo EV with 200km range? How about a 4 passenger, 900 kilo EV with a 300 kilometer range. It has been built, tested and proved but not produced. It's called the Selectra Sunrise. Can use show an air car that has been built that can do, has done what you say? Practical air power cars are vaporware. Just because it's been on the internet doesn't mean it's real or works. I'm presently building a 2 passenger, 700 kilo EV with 200 kilometer range. When I come up with the cash I'll produce it. jerry dycus If use the same power source to charge the car the air system will use 4 times the power per mile so which makes more pollution? Don't know where you're getting those figures from, but my own usage for vehicle would entail the power source being wind, so there's zero pollution. If you use 4 times as much power your pollution comes from the fossil fuels that the extra wind power would have replaced , the larger windplant needed for the same range. Plus you have to figure a major amount of pollution just to manufacture the battery for an EV, to replace it, and to recycle or landfill it. Ev'ers recycle batteries. Done right little pollution happens. I admit outside the US it's not always done right but as more EV's are on the road recycling these dead batteries become more valuable so people search time out for cash. New batteries like lithium are a lot less polluting and will be the future of EV's. jerry dycus -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Pedro and All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I am not sure I have understood all you are saying, because this is not in a plain easy english for me . Sorry, I'll try to be more clear. - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear Hi Pedro asnd All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. Nukes : nuclear . Yes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. You speak about gas. I think you speak about petrol gas. Would you use it better if you can get if from biomass . Me, for sure ;) Helium gas is used as the heat transfer medium to take the heat from the fuel to the boilers to make steam to make power. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are I'm more of an anti greedy, non-caring corporation person. You are speaking about anti-globalization movement, at least, like #antiglobalization channel in the irc-hispano network think of it. I hope so. It´s an anti-oligopolistic movement. It´s very usefull for us, because the great petrol corporations are against biodiesel ( like the international - originally spanish- corporations ). Time for your people to control your goverment. For sure, I agree with you. they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Better to steer them to better nukes to burn up the nasty stuff. A good ecologist it´s against nuclear energy, because Ãt´s danger. Remember Chernobyl. Not in my mind. Nuclear, non dam hydro and and other renewable energy sources are the way to go. Chernobyl was a bad design run by incompetent people and that's why we need inheritly safe reactors. Lots of people, ecologist or not, don´t want nuclear energy. And nuclear DANGER, death energy it´s powered by Bush Administration. The French and many others would disagree. Not really, the Bush administration is powered by fossil fuel industries mostly. I will recommend to antiglobalization movement create a Headquarter near Vienna International Centre in Austria, where the International Atomic Energy Agency has its headquarters ;) If you want but remember, be careful what you ask for, you may get it. ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. I'd really love to see it. It will be some think to ask in the future antiglobalization meetings ;) I have said the idea in the antiglobalization forums and they hold the idea ;) Europe already has embraced the RE movement and we are trying to get it here in the US but the subsidies to the petro industries have kept it down but is changing. I'm very against Corperate welfare here. Without corporate welfare RE would be widespread here now for cost reasons.. People all over the world read this list and are starting biofuel plants bypassing the big corporations. It´s not so easy. Oligopolistic corporations in Spain have ONLY-PETROL laws ( Ley de Hidrocarburos ). For example, to create a petrol company to sell your gasoline to petrol-stations (yes, PETROL-stations ) you need to have 150.000 millions ptas ( nearly 1.000 millions euros ). Sad if true. Time to get your gov moving. I have heard of biodiesel plants in Spain so not sure if the gov stops them. Do you think I really can create a petrol company in my land. IMPOSSIBLE In the US if we don't like what the gov is doing we go blackmarket. A second think. wholesaler petrol companies OWN a lot of petrol-stations. They indicate them the prices and goods to sell ( for sure, they cannot sell biodiesel ). It´s a big problem. We need a law of incompatibility. So, the wholesaler companies COULDN´T HAVE PETROL-STATIONS. For sure, the field to play it´s not clean. I and a lot of people cannot create biodiesel companies in my land :-( All the best. Anyone else from Spain want to comment on Biodiesel industry there. Good luck, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Freedom EV
Hi All, Well I finally have the pics of my EV's male mold up thanks to a kind listee. I decided to offer custom units until I can get the cash up for production. I've decided to name it the Freedom EV. The address is http://homepage.mac.com/mephit/jerry.html Hope you like it, Jerry Dycus Gerald Dycus R+D __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric car design
Hi Martin and All, --- Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are people here experienced with electric vehicle ideas, I have a fairly broad-based question: Do any current electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking, or flywheel braking, and how much energy does this reclaim? Yes, but not worth it energy wise unless you live in a very hilly area. They do help save brakes though which helps because of the increased weight of conversions. Most AC controllers do it but are pricy and a few dc controllers like the ZAPI and some used Curtis controllers do but are rare. No one does flywheel storage I believe. Thanks Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT Saving the whale
Hi All, I figured out how to save the right whale that has a net intangled on it but don't know where to get ahold of the people trying to save it. Any help with this off-list would be greatfully apreciated. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pollution-free car
Hi Marc and All, - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. You'd be darned lucky to actually store 80% of the generated juice in a battery - or rather, you might store 80%, but you won't get that much back and still have reasonable battery life. Yes you will. Even if you only get 80% out at high discharge rates if you wait a while the power comes back as the chems get to the batt plates surface. Battery life of lead batts only gets hurt if you discharge more than 80%. With ni-cads is much better than this and they last 20+ years. That's in addition to the weight and cost penalties of batteries, which still have very low energy storage densities. Have you checked out the weight of fuel cells and NiMH H2 storage? They are not very good, little differance.. 2. Electrolysis units can be run up to .90+ efficiency if the current density is kept low - it's a tradeoff between capital cost of the I've never heard of eff this high. 60% is the best I've seen. electrolysis plant and efficiency, as a more efficient plant is more expensive to build. Of course there's a penalty for compression or whatever you do with the hydrogen (best is a fuel bladder at or near atmospheric pressure, but that appeals only to airship maniacs like myself), but even that doesn't drop you to 30% net. based on heat. If your goal is electricity, you can run hydrogen through a fuel battery and recover as much as 85% of input energy in a practical road machine. I'd like to see this info. Looks much to high. 50% maybe for fuel cell/ H2 production. In terms of capital cost, electrolytic hydrogen makes very good sense as an energy storage medium for power plants with intermittent output (solar and wind) if stored in gasometers or bladders, especially if there's a market or a profitable use for the oxygen (an oxygen-enriched gasifier, for example). With compression ...? How much does your Fuel cell cost? jerry dycus Best, Marc de Piolenc __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Intro
Hi, If you want to be remembered how about a name? If worried about security use a made up one that can be remembered. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY INTERESTS Power production, centralized and decentralized, traditional and non, and as an offshoot of recent studies alternative fuels. With my career in power production, any kind of viable, safe, economical clean power production technology gets my full attention throughout its lifecycle. Cool, you came to the right place technologies. So, my current short-term savings plan is for the building of an electric vehicle. I'm building one from scratch too. Unless you want to put it into production I wouldn't. Converting is a lot cheaper and much less work. What's yours like? MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND 1988-1997 Independent Power Producer - Operated 16MW natural gas fired cogeneration power plant. processing facility/electric to utility, 2 18MW wood-burning power plants selling electric to utility and a 42MW peaker gas turbine plant for Jamaica power utility. I'd like to hear about the wood fired plants. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A Relatively Pollution-Free Car that actually leaves the garage...
Hi Ed and All, --- Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry - See question at end please... Automobile conversion to solar power comes in more forms than just EV, and in the SVO case, the plant oils act as an energy-dense, convenient, safe, renewable, biodegradable, CO2-neutral solar energy capture / carrier that can be packed into a very inexpensive, small tank that is at (more or less) ambient temperature and pressure. All true and a good idea but ICE's only get about 7 to 10% of the fuels energy to the road where as an Ev gets about 20% of the fuel to generate the electricity. You can do it right now, and get on with driving the thing, instead of talking about it. You can buy used factory conversions now for about $3,000. Ford will be selling the Think EV in early 2002. BTW the 1909 Baker Electric got an 80 mile range and did 45 mph. Electrics where here before ICE cars were. But you have to be able to stand listening to a diesel. :-) --- For a limited budget and ease of conversion, it is hard to beat an older VW on SVO. If more to spend, the EV/APU/SVO combo would be very nice. A small diesel in the back, as in GM's concept PNGV car, would be nice, to cut the noise down. Or an APU of 6hp/ 1,000# gets you unlimited range at 100 mpg. Do you do this? Is that 1000 watts? What is the EV system voltage/vehicle type, weight, etc. that you charge with such an APU that you get unlimited range out of it? - It's 6hp per 1000 lbs of vehicle weight. My production EV will have 120vdc, 130 amphr pack with others optional. It's 1300 lbs with 3 wheels and made from composites. You only have genorate the EV's average power use if you have at least a 50 mile range. jerry dycus Ed B. www.biofuels.ca __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp As Biomass
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand ready to be flamed... Burn, baby, burn. ;-) Other than a slanted view and some fudging with the numbers to make his point look better it's not bad. I disagree on his using Canadian crop output numbers to prove things. Here in Fla as much of the world, we would get 3 to 5 crops a year vs 1 in Canada and more biomass per crop. This lowers storeage costs, makes the $ a lot better. Also oil seed yeilds should alway be considered as 1 of the products rather than the only value. I prefer DD gasififying and/ or fiber for the other products. With gasifiying you still have the minerials to fertilizing. jerry dycus http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm Tim Castleman __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Driving Without Gas
Hi Steve and All, --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Driving Without Gas Gasohol Ethanol Methanol Electric Cars Gasogens By John Ware Lincoln I just finished reading this from the Hillsbrough co Fla library. Good info. Best at gasogens,ie producer gas genorators for cars/ trucks. I believe TB Reed from the gasification list was included for his work on mixing methanol/gasoline to extend the gasoline supplies at MIT. It was written in 1980. jerry dycus http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/dwg/default.htm Just started scanning chapters... Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Hi All, For those who are reclaiming methanol what % of the methanol do you get back? I assume vacuum recovery method. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. Notice that they haven't tried the idle method to check if there is a difference. It's easy, cheap and reliable. Come on guy's take your magnets off and see if the rpm falls. If it truely works the rpm will fall 100 rpm and rise when put back on. Maybe they did but don't want to admit it. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] noise cancelling , was Re: DD question
Hi All, --- beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have access to a generator powered with a DD 2-71. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? I have been told it is possible to build a muffler that will work on a DD so the neighbors are not so willing to storm your door with sythes and torches. From my experience a DD is the best way to turn Diesel fuel into noise. True, also put a muffler on the intake as a lot of the noise comes from there. I used to own a british seagull outboard and as a sailor, the real kind , not military, I cut the noise from it 75% by putting a 2' rubber radiator hose on the intake. I have only a little experience with these engines, working on a drill rig powered by one. it was perhaps the loudest engine I have ever heard. It was loud through earplugs. Have you heard about black noise generators? designed to produce sound of a frequency and amplitude which precisely negates the sound your engine makes. They use em on army helicopters. No idea if this is do-able for you. BA. Also called noise cancelling or anti noise. It's done by using a microphone to pick up the sound, amplify it, change it to be 180 degree out of phase then output thru a speaker nullifing the noise, or at least most of it. Having lived aboard a sailboat anchored out for 20+ years the noise from battery charging from ICE gens drove me crazy so I started building wind and tidal genorators for myself and other liveaboards. If you are going to use an ICE to genorate build a noise box to put it in with heavy walls. Hope this helps, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Hi Sam, Warren and All, --- Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam said: I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific properties thereof. clip Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. If they do your magnets are doing their job. If it doesn't you know what that means. Let us know what happens. This is a simple cheap way to test them and other types of 'fuel enhancers'. jerry dycus Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general advancement. You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. -- ...Warren Rekow __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Agualux Fuel plant blows up!
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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
Hi Gerry and All, For many years living aboard my sailboats I just used a kerosene lamp for heat. What are the in's and out's of burning used veg oil in wick type burners to keep soot , other nasties low. Has anyone burned SVO in a Kerosun type wick burner, heater, any problems? Here in Fla the heating season is short and light so I was thinking of how to build a good, simple heater for next year. Maybe using a 3 stove wick or 3 - 1 wicks. I also just bought a propane refridgerator I'm thinking about converting to SVO. Any thoughts? Thanks, jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asians tend to use lamps and burners with wicks. Whether it is kerosene, coconut oil or vegetable oil. Only problem is soot from long term usage. If multiple wicks burner are available and with proper chimney, you can have a heater fire going. I can still remember absorption refrigerator fired by kerosene with wick type burner. Just my thoughts. Gerry __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water vs Energy Importance
Hi All, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whomever this may concern why do I get the feeling that this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of socialists, and communists? Because you don't know much and need to open your mind. We are not going to keep being screwed by big oil or coal, we know there are better ways like biomass, solar, Nuke done right, wind and non dam tidal/ river power. The truth is almost every home has plenty of energy delivered right to it by solar/ wind to supply it's , it's peoples and their transport needs. We should put our money there to make jobs here, true national energy security rather than dependence on opec/ oilies and a bad depression in 5 to 10 years like Bush is leading us to now. We like to be independent of those with their hands in our pockets by not needing them. All isms taken to their end are fatal. What we need is a working blend of capitalism, democracy, socialism with respect for human rights and keeping our planet healthy so we can be healthy too. That's true conservatism unlike what Bush is trying to do which is corporate welfare of the worst kind. I backed throwing the welfare cheats off now it's time to do the same for the corporate version. If they did RE would be viable right away without the subidies that corporation get now. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberial and really don't like either party. Ventrua is starting to look good now. No one believes in communism anymore, not even communist. Stop fighting that war, it's over, they killed themselves. Remember moderation in all things. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] portable elect generators, biodiesel bid
Hi Ed andAll, --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a Little Deutz Coupe, instead, and leave the electric stuff at home? The only problem with that is the little Deutz Coupe only gets about 10% of the fuel's energy to the road and is rather slow while the EV is as fast as it wants to be while getting 20% of the biodiesel's energy to the road. That means you can use 1/2 the biodiesel and either save the rest or sell it. Btw the local bus line here , Hartline, has invited me to bid for their biodiesel needs. Turns out they buy diesel for $.77 a gal on the spot in the fall and spring getting low prices. The local biodiesel maker that was called NOPEC , one of the first since 93 at least, but has another name now has bid biodiesel to them for $.97 a gal and they want as much as they can get. The Hartline guy said they were probably lowballing it to get the account. Gov diesel fleets are required to do something about emissions and biodiesel is about the only thing they can do without large modifications to their existing fleets. Check them out in your area if you want to be a biofuel seller. jerry dycus Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] portable electric power generators
Hi Stuart and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any work to develop a portable biodiesel capable of recharging an electric vehicle? You will have 2 problems, first is weight. Finding a small light diesel engine is the 1st step. I suggest a Duetz( 4.5 hp) or a small Petter( 6 and 12 hp) depending on space availible, power needed. Your other problem is how to make DC to charge the batts eff. Using a 120 vac charger single phase because of power factor you get large current spikes that limit the power you can get out of it to 1/2 the gen ratings and many times burns the gen up even then. A couple of good ways around it would be using a permenant magnet motor as a dc genorator, 85- 95% eff, . This works as a starter too. Next would be a shunt dc gen also making dc direct, 80 to 90% eff. Another way is to use a 3 phase ac genorator and use an H-bridge diode setup to make DC, 80 to 90% eff. These can be bought new with diesels driving them ready for the H-bridge rectifiers, about $1.5k to 4K. A little more info on your EV, like battery pack, weight,voltage, motor, vehicle model, how fast you want to charge( with lead acid batts you can charge 60% in 15 minutes if you want to spend the cash), will it be onboard, will you run it while driving, ect? I'm using a car alt, 65% eff, cheap, for mine but its voltage is low, 36 to 72VDC batt pack. A larger one from a truck( 75% eff, could be setup to work eff at higher volts eff. They are 3 phase ac gens with H-bridges. jerry dycus Let's talk. Stuart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, I'd e-mail the Redroc url that Steve Spence put up a few days ago. It was from them that I found out about it. jerry dycus --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks for the refs. Will look into them further over the weekend. At this stage particularly interested in looking further into these scroll compressors and making up a steam generation unit for glycerine refining and purification if that is possible. Have you or anyone made a unit like this and if so would appreciate any comments, suggestions or advice you, Jerry or anyone has to offer. Was out at Maui (largest camper van rental firm in NZ) trying to sell them on the concept of these by-pass filters today and see the new Mercedes vans have what appears to be one of these scroll compressors fitted. How do you tell it is actually a scroll compressor rather than some other type? Also does anyone have or can anyone provide a list of vehicles with them fitted? Most of them should be reasonably easy to overhaul I imagine with the main things needing attention being seals and bearings. Is there any particular thing one needs to watch out for and to avoid? Also is one brand better than another. From what I can see the Sanden appears to be a reasonable unit and a lot appear to be being used to replace the ones fitted to BMWs when they break down as you are largely paying for the name if you buy the genuine article in this case. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol production/corncobs
Hi Keith, Dana and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our project members has requested that I investigate the possability of methanol production using corn cobs as a feedstock. Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a destructive distillation might be the route to go. Does anyone have a lead for more information on destructive distillation or related material? I am more inclined to use pulverized corncobs as Biodiesel production power myself but a small scale methanol production unit would definately lower our projected costs of Biodiesel production. Dana Linscott Hi Dana Why not go for ethyl esters? Re methanol, there's some information in the message archives. Try a search for Hynol, destructive distillation, DD, should work. We haven't found anything satisfactory. There was a method in a Home Power article mentioned (Jerry?), but I don't think anybody's tried it and I don't have a detailed description of it. Do you need to expend the power pulverising the corncobs for BD production? Couldn't you burn them as-is? The Hynol report wasn't very good. Maybe when they complete their work but right now it's a waste of time. Sounds like someone is milking the gov for grant money. The Home Power Mag DD to methanol article is looking better as I've read other stuff that it will work. How to purify it is another question. It's on their 1st CD. If you just need heat a producer gas unit may be good for you or just burn the cobs like Keith said. Serveral good producer gas units on Keith's and Steve's sites. jerry dycus Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler
Hi Keith and All, Before anyone gets hurt from this let's look at it. Steam is a very powerful explosive. Do not heat a large amount of water over 212F unless you really know what you are doing. That said the safer way is to use a flash boiler with a scatter shield around it. The good thing about flash boilers is the tiny amount of water heated to explosive temps so if it blows not much damage happens. How they work is you heat the boiler tube up and inject just enough water for each piston stroke. The higher the steam temp the higher the eff. If you want 40% eff you need 1100F + steam plus heat recovery. I like the tube within a tube with the inside tube for the steam and the outside tube with the fire/heat going up and the water/ steam going down. The outside tube will help contain any explosion and keep the heat confinded to the boiler tubes. Insulate the outside of the fire tube, the engine and pre-heat the fire feed air and feedwater for more eff. For engines some are using Sanden car AC scroll compressors, others have used A/C piston compressors and 2 stroke ICE motors with new head valving. The scroll compressor if it works would only need a continous water feed pump for it instead of valves. For solar concertrators I like the old 7' to 10' satellite dishes that are now obsolete and are given away free for taking them down. Most of these have concentrations of 10+ of sunlight if mirrored. They come with power tracking that only needs easy electronics to point it for max eff. The boiler for it would be a spiral of tubing. The sun puts out 1kw/ Sq yard/meter with the sun overhead. The hottest temps you can get semi-safely are from solar concentration. Make sure no one can put a body part in the beam or it will be cooked instantly from 5,000F+ temps. Remember what just a 4/ 4 power magifying glass would do to wood? Let's be careful out there, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dana, Ed, Jim and all Almost time to switch off the dark. Anyway. Please don't stop, it's an interesting line you're on. Maybe have a look at this: http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~hvirtane/cooker/ Designing and Building Home Made Focusing Solar Cookers Lots more solar resources here: http://journeytoforever.org/sc_link.html Solar Cooker Resources on the Web Some interesting products here: http://www.cleardomesolar.com/ ClearDome SolarFlex reflective material and SolarFlex reflects an amazing 97.4% of all solar energy! That means you'll now get the fastest, hottest solar heating or cooking possible with our SolarFlex reflective material (see above photo), using your own reflector design made with this remarkable lightweight, nearly untearable, waterproof flexible material. ClearDome Solar BlackFlex Absorption foi - the ideal flexible, thick flat black anodized (both sides) aluminum foil for absorbing solar energy and directly converting it into heat. Use it for solar oven construction or for any experimental solar heating project for very fast heat absorption.It can be formed and folded many times, survives direct flames to over 1,000 degrees F, and is non-toxic and non-gassing. Standard size is 2' X 4', shipped rolled in a durable cardboard tube. Price is only $17 plus S H. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, What exactly is a Sanden car AC scroll compressor? A scroll type compressor used in some cars. Look up Sanden on the web for more info. VW used a scroll for a supercharger called the G-ladder. This idea below sounds good and may be applicable to the refining and purification of glycerine as one of the best ways of refining is with the use of steam especially when combined with vacuum so you drop the boiling point B.r., David The guy's at Red Rock? was using them for their concentrated solar steam projects. Keith, do you have their URL? You put it up a couple of weeks ago. Almost any refridgerator or AC compressor will work to make a vacuum pump from. Keeping oil in them is the only problem. Diesel trucks, cars use vacuum pumps for brakes, ect. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hybrid buses in Tampa, Fla,+ long posts
Hi All, Last night on the local news they showed the newest bus that our pathetic bus service started. It was called an electric but really was a hybrid using the Capstone turbogenorator with electric drive. We will get 9 more over the next year. Now if they would come more often than every 2 hours people might use them. Nice and quite though. I noticed that the posts are getting too long because people are not editing them well. Please edit better and make the subjects match the post contents. 10/ 20k for a couple lines reply is a bit much. Thanks a lot, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jerry, Got any refs, books, or other info sources I can go to or get to learn a bit more about solar energy or alternative source steam generation.? B.r., David Not really other than the URL that Steve put up, thanks Steve. I stopped considering steam a while ago because of danger and low eff in small sizes. They need a lot of other stuff like condensers, feed pumps, airbleed pumps,ect. I like KIS and that's 1 thing steam is not. Biofuel and ICE's have better eff and can be bought cheap. Wind and river/ tidal energy is cheaper, less work, quieter for small amounts of electricity. Very profitable in larger sizes. I might use a propane working fluid version to recover energy from exhaust heat to keep fuel use down. I have designed 2 steam/ propane engines, 1 for a solar concentrator and another for fuel use but both are patentable so I can't tell now. Both use limited liquid volumes for safety and are simplified while staying fairly eff. For most people should stay with ICE's which are easier than steam to make eff and safer. I do have a good description of the solar power plant used in Egypt in the early 1900's. It was about 10% eff. Too long to type. Old engineering texts from 1900 to 1940 have everything you need to know to build steam engines, ect. I use Marks Handbook from 1914, reprinted 1934 with just about everything available then from autos, coal, steam, gas making, hydro, solar, AC, heat exchangers, charcoal, chemicals, ect. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Making power to sell
Hi David and All, --- david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry D., I like your suggestion about the vegetable oil ! Do you think WVO from the restaurants would do the trick if it was filtered really good ? Yes, and dewatering it, according the multiple people on and off this list. However you won't be able to get enough to make profitable power. You'll need virgin oil for that. How can you sell peaking power straight to customers, Build a power plant on their property or close to it. They go on time of day, shutoff status to the power co to get very low rates then just run your gen when peak use times of about 9;30 am to 4;30pm. Saves them about 1/2 their electric bill, and saves them from brown, blackouts and you make reasonable profit. Power at this time is priced much higher so profits are up and labor is down as is wear and tear and fuel use. It's also when the power co use their most polluting plants. I thought only the utility was allowed to sell directly to customers ? Depends where you live. Here in Fla you have to make it on site or run your own lines. Wow a 1 megawatt facility, now there is some serious power to start with ! Wish I could start at that level. A megawatt is only $100 an hr if you get $.10 kw hr. Hard to make money at less than that. I was planning on using GM 502 hi compression marine race engines at 3600 rpm for 200 kw each using 5 of them. Then run them from DD or producer gas from yard waste. Waste heat would be used to make DD gas or used for process heat, space heating. If they need a lot of heat profits go way up. A neat thing to do would be to run the CO2 into a solar concertrator with steam to make H2 and CO to fuel another gen. David Cruse - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get them interested. You In Jerry D? :) I'd love to sell power to TECO, our local power co, but they won't buy, won't use biomass in their coal plants even though they allready have used it and I arranged for the biomass delivered free. Also tried to sell them tidal genorated power but was turned down again. They own the coal fields too for their plants so don't want anything to replace it as far as I can tell. I was going to start with a megawatt, about 1,000 hp, then add to it. The best way to sell electricity now is to sell peaking power straight to customers. They go on interruptable power from TECO which has a low rate of $.03 kwhr and just genorate for the cut-off hrs with biomass. This makes the biggest amount of money with the least cost in labor and money and gives the customer electricity at about 1/2 the cost per kwhr while replacing the most polluting power TECO makes, ie the Gannon plant. David, if I was going to produce power from a stationary plant from bio-oil I would use heated, filtered veg oil instead of biodiesel for cost/ labor reasons as in a lot cheaper. Maybe make biodiesel as a side business for vehicles. Better money there for biodiesel. BTW the feds have a tax credit program where they buy most or all the bio-oil feedstock for doing this. It's in the tax code as corperate welfare to ADM but you can use it too. You'll have to find it as I don't know where it is. You should look to producer gas or destructive distillation of waste crop biomass as the best, cheapest fuel for an operation like you want if your goal is to make money. Hope this helps, jerry dycus PS, great Flying pigs, King George and Henry stories . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
Hi Jim and All, You were right about one thing, I am fairly weird and proud of it. ;-)) To go against the grain like I do like not working 9 to5, making my own energy/ electric car / fuels because I dislike what's availible, don't drink alcohol because it's too dangerous, help people for fun/ joy, give pols a hard time when they are buttheads does make me different. But I like it, may you become weird too, jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck yes! I'll never claim to be perfect ever again! Anyhow, I think I got a bit too emotional- piratanical roadwarriors gotta have something to bite now and then. Thanks and sorry again, -JIM In a message dated 5/4/2001 2:55:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Strange way of going about it, dubbing it as gossip and lies, and him as weird, without any concrete details, sources, nor even a cursory objective view to support your own opinion, don't you think? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Making power to sell,wasRe: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get them interested. You In Jerry D? :) I'd love to sell power to TECO, our local power co, but they won't buy, won't use biomass in their coal plants even though they allready have used it and I arranged for the biomass delivered free. Also tried to sell them tidal genorated power but was turned down again. They own the coal fields too for their plants so don't want anything to replace it as far as I can tell. I was going to start with a megawatt, about 1,000 hp, then add to it. The best way to sell electricity now is to sell peaking power straight to customers. They go on interruptable power from TECO which has a low rate of $.03 kwhr and just genorate for the cut-off hrs with biomass. This makes the biggest amount of money with the least cost in labor and money and gives the customer electricity at about 1/2 the cost per kwhr while replacing the most polluting power TECO makes, ie the Gannon plant. David, if I was going to produce power from a stationary plant from bio-oil I would use heated, filtered veg oil instead of biodiesel for cost/ labor reasons as in a lot cheaper. Maybe make biodiesel as a side business for vehicles. Better money there for biodiesel. BTW the feds have a tax credit program where they buy most or all the bio-oil feedstock for doing this. It's in the tax code as corperate welfare to ADM but you can use it too. You'll have to find it as I don't know where it is. You should look to producer gas or destructive distillation of waste crop biomass as the best, cheapest fuel for an operation like you want if your goal is to make money. Hope this helps, jerry dycus PS, great Flying pigs, King George and Henry stories . David, feel free to email me directly if you like, I am curious as to what scale, and methods exactly you might be considering to produce the power. -Tim Z ~~still gigglin' over Flyin' Pigs ;) - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hey Todd, That sounds great , and would be fantastic ! Thank you. I am not in a rural area here so we are going to have to deal with that by either leasing , or purchasing a couple of acres to put up a facility. We want to produce power with the biodiesel as our fuel, that way we can have the electricity to use, and put on the grid. The vice president of our local Electric Membership Coop has given me the assurance that they will give us a purchase agreement when we are ready. But that is going to be a rough go getting everything together in the right way so it all works without too many problems. I`m not trying to take too hugh of a leap by skipping the standard methods that can be done on a now basis, but the Ginosar method sounds like a great way to go if possible! I stress possible!! Otherwise it would be dumb not to use what works. Thanks, David Cruse __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] genetic engineering/natural selection
Hi Lee and All, Some fool at I think the U of Fla reengineered a microbe that can live and survive almost anywhere to turn biomass into alcohol. Luckily someone mentioned that if it got loose it would eat all the biomass in the world so they stopped it. Genetic engineering needs to be done only on organisiums that will multiply only in controlled conditions. So lets be careful out there. jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if anyone is working on the genetic engineering of crops to make them more amenable to processing for biofuel production? and is there any information about natural and or genetically modified organisms with for example increased ethanol tolerance, ability to utilise waste as a substrate to produce biocombustibles. I am currently trying to get information together for students studying a biotechnology course specialising in environmental biotech. Any information would be gratefully recieved. Lee Lee Robertson __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Vapour Carburetion
Hi David and All, The only way to get better mileage is to convert more heat to mechanical energy, ie eff.. All a carb does is mix fuel. Fuel injection does this almost perfectly now. There's not a chance in h--- that a vapor/ prouge or other types of carbs will do better unless you have discovered new physics we don't know about. As homey would say, I don't think so. For better fuel mileage you need to change more of the heat into work. You can do this by running the engine at a higher temp, a smaller engine, lower friction bearings, slower piston speeds, use the exhaust to power the water pump and alt, syn engine oils, syn trans oils,turn it off when not needed like while braking or sitting, lightening the vehicle weight, cutting aero drag, ect. There are no secret ways to better gas mileage, in 120 years every thing has been explored that works. As a 200 mile carb would be worth more than a trillion dollars on todays market you couldn't keep it secret for long if true. At 200 mile per gal you would be 300 to 500% eff, not going to happen. jerry dycus --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put the message below on last night to see if anyone would pick up on it but as of yet no one. Ray Covey inventor of the Covey Low Temp.Vaporizer more or less said that some of his inspiration and ideas came from Charles Nelson Pogue inventor of the Pogue Vaporizer in the mid 1930s who mysteriously disappeared after newspaper stories on his invention caused oil company stocks to drop. These stories covered tests conducted by Ford Motor Company of Canada and others in which a 1935 Ford V8 fitted with a Pogue Vaporizer got over 200 mpg. The same vaporizers are reported to have been used by US Tank Corps in North Africa on long range Sherman Tanks, jeeps, and other vehicles. The Sherman was definitely a short range tank. These reports are supported by men who served in the US Tank Corps who have stated that some type of secret vapor carburetor, marked property of a big US oil company, was installed in their tanks and greatly increased operational range. Field Marshall Rommel is also reported to have written in his writings If it had not been for America's long range tanks, the outcome of the desert war would have been different. In the past Ford Canada have denied any knowledge of these tests but there seems to be enough documented evidence from others who conducted the tests as well to more or less prove that the test vehicle did this sort of mileage. Most of the tests conducted involved running the vehicle out of gas and then seeing how far they could drive it on a pint, all of which exceeded 25 miles, and 2 that involved a gallon and exceeded 200mpg. I believe this warrants further investigation. The following Pogue Patent Nos. are probably worth investigating: 1,750,354, 3/11/30; 1,938,497, 12/5/33; 1,997,497 4/9/35; 2,026,798, 1/7/36 Wether all the details are there and anyone would turn up all the information after all this time is doubtful but it is perhaps worth trying. Some of the Covey results achieved in the mid 80s were not too far below the Pogue ones. something like 144mpg with a heavy 400 CID Chrysler B.r., David Which brings me to another point. Has anyone out there ever had anything to do with Ray Covey's Vapour Carburetion Conversion Systems? Do they know much about them and did they ever really work properly? Believe with the Mark 5 system he managed to obtain something like 72 mpg (US gal = 3.785Litres) with a V8. This equates to 19 miles per litre or just over 30 km per litre. Perhaps it is time for people to look at this aspect again. I am sure with the rapid developments in modern computers a lot of these old ideas might enjoy a new lease of life with vast improvements easily obtainable in the right hands. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE hempRe: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
Hi Jim and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An explanation: My post was a response (included below) to someone who, in my opinion, was using the US gov'ment and the DEA in specific as scapegoats in his discussion of hemp's reluctance in becoming a new biofuel. I was aided in this conclusion by the post's lack of concrete detail, sources, or even a cursory objective view. Hell, my response may have been unfounded or spurious (or not), but I was just trying to get a response as to why the information seemed a bit opinionated. It's hard to even start using something as biofuel when it's illegal, I'd think that would be an obvious point why. Over 10 states have made hemp growing for fuel, medicine and fiber legal despite the DEA. I was talking about the potential of hemp. Regretfully way too little of any kind of biofuels are used now. This is because of massive subidies to the oil co both in favorable tax breaks, I.E. corporate welfare and massive military spending to protect the mideast oil supply. It's been estimated in the Wall Street Journal that the real cost of oil is $100 a barrel. If the real cost was passed thru we could have a big tax break and many RE become feasible at $50 a barrel. Hemp is the best biomass per acre producing crop when pesticides, labor are taken into account. We could cut the coal pollution that I now suffer from the local power plants that are the dirtiest in the nation. As for medicine and recreational use the DEA has been lying about hemp forever. It's nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol, has little side effects as a medicine and they know it. They rather destroy lives than admit they are wrong despite overwhelming evidence that hemp is not dangerous because they would lose some of their jobs. It's time for the DEA to tell the truth about hemp instead of jailing and ruining the lives of many good people like they do. It's not the hemp that's bad, it's the hemp laws that destroy lives. It's amazing that the DEA can live with themselves. Were George Washington and Thomas Jefferson wrong? The revolutionary war was won with hemp rope, clothes, sails, tents, paper, ect and the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper. Get your head out of the sand and see reality instead of lying gov propoganda by bureaucrats defending their turf. Love, jerry dycus -JIM Subj: Re: [biofuel] Date: 4/29/2001 10:35:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jerry dycus) Reply-to:  biofuel@yahoogroups.com To:  biofuel@yahoogroups.com   Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian    I'll smoke to that;-)).   But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer.   The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else.   Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat.    It's a great fabric and rope that will not rot.   As to why it's illegal in 1934 a machine was designed to seperate the fibers economicly but had the misfourtune to be at the same time as Dupont came out with rayon, nylon . Popular Machanics declared hemp the next billion dollar crop.   He was worried the hemp would steal his markets that he gave J Randolf Hearst a bunch of Dupont stock so Hearst would put out a bunch of stories in his newspapers that hemp was a bad drug that only, racial slurs for blacks and Mexicans, do it and become crazy, ect.    Then in 1937 their cronies in congress passed the law making it not a threat to Dupont anymore.   So here we are and one of the best , least side effect medicines and the answer to our energy, farmer problems and we can't use it. It shows that politicians care more about posturing than helping our country.   George Washington and Thomas Jefferson raised and praised it , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me.   I'd like to sue the DEA for fraud, the lying scum.           jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the fryer to the fuel tank mentions oil production at 305 kg/hectare, but not the number of crops per season. Is that total for season, or for crop? I think it's per crop but not sure, Anyone? Thanks, jerry dycus Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm -- - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian I'll smoke to that;-)). But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer. The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else. Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian I'll smoke to that;-)). But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer. The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else. Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat. It's a great fabric and rope that will not rot. As to why it's illegal in 1934 a machine was designed to seperate the fibers economicly but had the misfourtune to be at the same time as Dupont came out with rayon, nylon . Popular Machanics declared hemp the next billion dollar crop. He was worried the hemp would steal his markets that he gave J Randolf Hearst a bunch of Dupont stock so Hearst would put out a bunch of stories in his newspapers that hemp was a bad drug that only, racial slurs for blacks and Mexicans, do it and become crazy, ect. Then in 1937 their cronies in congress passed the law making it not a threat to Dupont anymore. So here we are and one of the best , least side effect medicines and the answer to our energy, farmer problems and we can't use it. It shows that politicians care more about posturing than helping our country. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson raised and praised it , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. I'd like to sue the DEA for fraud, the lying scum. jerry dycus - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Richard said: 1 acre of hemp will prouduce more paper, building material,clotfing,ETC than 20 acres of trees. Do all hemp plants contain THC, or are there varieties which do not contain this compound? -- ...Warren Rekow __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Troy? Troy who?
Hi Todd and All, Insight Troy is who. He just mentioned that he belonged to the biofuel list and at about the same time Insight Troy came on this list. He's screwing with us again. Could anyone who knows which lists he's been kicked off of e-mail me direct off list which ones. He's been trying to destroy the EV list with OT's for the last 3 weeks and I need to which one's he's been kicked off from as he's saying he hasn't been. Please help me get him off our EV list. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 billion people on the planet. There is bound to be more than one Troy. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All , Anyone noticed that Troy Heagy is back on the list? jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Troy's back
Hi All , Anyone noticed that Troy Heagy is back on the list? jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi Gary and All, --- Dr. Gary Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a unit with this sort of rotor in a city near Clearwater Florida. Rotor was mounted vertically -- that is axis of rotation was vertical eliminating any wind direction dependence. Where might that one be as I live about 60 mile from there? Looks feasible to me While it may work I have to wonder about it from his power out graphs. At 5 mph he says it puts out 500 watts which is physically impossible. A blade turning and putting out power are two different things. Much of its blade area won't be of any use also because of it's angle. Also centrifical forces on the unit would be great in high winds and the mounts the blade attaches to looks heavy and complicated. A normal 2 blade unit would be more eff and cheaper for the same power. jerry dycus GN __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi Gary and All, --- Dr. Gary Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a unit with this sort of rotor in a city near Clearwater Florida. Rotor was mounted vertically -- that is axis of rotation was vertical eliminating any wind direction dependence. Where might that one be as I live about 60 mile from there? Looks feasible to me While it may work I have to wonder about it from his power out graphs. At 5 mph he says it puts out 500 watts which is physically impossible. A blade turning and putting out power are two different things. Much of its blade area won't be of any use also because of it's angle. Also centrifical forces on the unit would be great in high winds and the mounts the blade attaches to looks heavy and complicated. A normal 2 blade unit would be more eff and cheaper for the same power. jerry dycus GN __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more windpower
Hi David and All, I prefer downwind rotors with rotatable tower foils , I had been building them for 5 years 15 years ago. Your right, most noise comes from the interaction of the blades and the tower. Another source is the blade tips. I solved that by using single thickness blades , ie curved sheets of fiberglass. They are lighter and produce more power becaues of lower blade drag. The good thing about this was by shaping it right the wind pressure caused the blade to feather by bending in higher winds allowing it to genorate power in higher winds without overloading. Too bad the drawings won't come up for me, I'd like to see it. Do you build windgens? If so I have some ideas I'll never use. I'll give you for free offline as I want more windgens out there too. jerry dycus --- David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my patent spec. for noise reduction of wind turbines. I hope this will allow more of them to be used, as it mitigates one of their public acceptability problems. http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=GB2353825CY=gbLG=enDB=EPD David Teal __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OT posts,was: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty
Hi Todd and All, I have to go with Todd on this one. I'm about to have to choose between staying with biofuel and the gasifacation list I need to join. If the OT, political on this list stays as bad as it's been I'll have no choice. I believe it hurts the biofuel cause this list is supposed to want to spread. While humor is good it should be only as an aside on other ontopic posts and if you want to respond to these take them offline. Some of you have very wierd senses of humor!!! At least label them OT- humor or OT-pol for political so those of us who have other lives can get the biofuel info the we and the world needs without the OT's. You can't delete what's not labeled. Over half the posts in the last month have been OT, that's way too much. There are other lists for those who need their humor, pol fixes. Another problem is lack of post editing making what is a 1 line post into a 10kb to 100kb post. If we follow these rules we'll get more members and lose less. What's more important your OT fixes or spreading biofuel as wide as we can? I've been part of the problem too with my wind- water gen posts but at least they are RE in nature and goes to the same goal of renewable energy and are intertwined with biofuel. I'll cut down on them and label what I do post as OT-RE in the future. Thanks, jerry dycus -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:12 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Wet Blanket was Sea shanty Sorry if I appear to be the proverbial wet blanket, but has anyone noticed several unsubscription requests lately referring to excessive correspondence which they are unable to plow through, as well as off topic material? Would it be entirely out of line to suggest that we seriously attempt to limit the lightheartedness, joviality and frivolity of off topic material to off list conversation? Just a purist, die-hard, extremist who would prefer to keep as many people in the loop for as long as possible - all the while attempting to maintain my sanity in an insane world. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Dana and All, --- Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, As long as you do it safely I personally have no ethical problem with running the meter backwards. But I do not hold myself out as a model citizen with unchallengable standards. Technically and more importantly legally doing so is theft and you risk some pretty serious charges by doing so. Additionally the Elec. Co. has some pretty sophisticated software designed to discover line leak and unmetered use that may serve to catch you rather quickly. In the past I have seen some pretty serious charges resulting from relativly minor unautorized electrical hookups which I believe are designed to discourage others from such endeavors. Theft means that I took something. The way I could, would set it up no court in the US would convict me for theft. I'm just genorating a larger share of my own electricity. That's a far cry from theft. There will be no line leak for them to detect. Unmetered use is theft which I very against. Mine is all metered for everything net I use from them. Running the meter backwards by back feeding electricity is very different than hooking the meter backwards, that is theft. Since the value of prime time power is worth 3 times or more than off peak it's pretty hard for them to make a case on theft. That said I'm now leaning towards cutting the line altogether by running everything but AC and heat on 12vdc. I want to get away from their base charge. When heat/ cool is needed I'll just run the gen for them and or burn fat for heat. By changing the gear ratio between the diesel and the ac gen I can run the motor at about 2000 rpm cutting wear, fuel use a lot and charge batts at the same time. Does anyone know what a yanmar L40 spec's are? While I would not encourage you to attempt to run the meter backwards I understand independant and free thinking individuals must do what they feel is right and are not often swayed by the free thought of others. I would encourage you to keep good records and install your own meters so that in the unfortunate event you are prosecuted the Elec.Co.s estimates of the value of the power you misappropriated can be challanged. Their estimates are likely to be much higher than the real value. And remember...if caught you will likely face criminal prosecution as well as civil suit by the power co. I just don't want you to be unaware of the possibility of incredibly unpleasant and expensive results of your plan. Back in the 70's the power co took me to court for power deversion that I didn't do because I happened to be there when they came and had electrial knowledge. I beat the pants off them in court without a lawyer. They did try to charge me for much more than was used though. The judge was very pissed at them and told them so. Best of luck, Dana Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO filtering
Hi Todd and All, Thanks Todd and the others for their advice on filtering cheaply. This sounds good as I can find the filters and they are cheap. Always looking for more methods though. Do you use these a lot and do you know what particle size they let thru? Or have you just used them for a while and haven't any problems? Didn't you mention before you only had a $18 electric bill? If so how did you do it? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Least expensive method to filter WVO is multi-stage. First stage uses standard cotton cone filters used throughout the restaurant industry to filter deep fryer fat - readily available through restaurant supply houses. Use four cones, one placed inside the other. Dispose of the innermost as it becomes impregnated. At the same time, add a new cone to the outside, always having four layers. This results in costs of 10ths of a cent per gallon of filtered oil. Any filtration beyond this is a matter of personal choice. For those interested, the same filtration method works well for molten beeswax, paraffins, rust laden kerosene, fuel oils, diesel, gasoline and similar solvents from old fuel tanks, not to mention any other contaminated liquid carbon chains. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel from horse manure
Hi All, I looked for the windgen but couldn't find it. I believe that .3 meters/ sec is about 1 mph. If that's true then there is no way to extract power from the wind. No wind gen works below 7 mph because there is no power until then, in fact not much until 9 mph. If they tell you otherwise it's a scam. jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Marcelino They are on the web I have found them on WWW.bioflamm.de It looks German But while searching for WVT I found this new wind turbine which is fantastic because it can work in a wind speed of 0.3 meters a second Everyone on this list should see what the Germans are up to. Just look at its wierd shape. Its a turbine like no other. www.wvt.de __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Eric and All, --- Olsen Eric (app1ebo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jerry, Thats helps. Interesting info on the temp vs salt water and temp vs efficiency. Your right. Trace inverters/batteries and the like ARE too expensive. A 2,5 kw trace costs about $2,000. That's 2+ years of electric bills for me. All we need is a power outage disconnect as the gen already does AC. Does anyone know of any on the market? Since 2.5Kw won't run my whole house I was also thinking of just running one portion of the house on the genset. If 2.5 kw won't run your house maybe you should start with conservation. It's much cheaper to do eff before going to RE. It let's you use smaller cheaper RE too. When the genset is not running... my APC 1250VA UPS (900 watts out) would automatically kick in (I would disable the beeping). Of course I would add 2 more batteries to the UPS for longer run time. I figure that if I get another UPS when I have some bucks, add another portion of the house, then another. I paid $103.00 for my used 1250 (with good batteries) from eBay. All the UPS's would be plugged into the gen set to recharge the batteries when they are low, and clean up the dirty electrical output of the gen set while its running. Suggestions/ideas on maximizing utilization of a bio-diesel gen set are welcome. Put fans on them as most are not designed to run long times and will overheat. At 900 watts a 60 lb battery would only last 45 minutes and you shouldn't really discharge it past 50% for long life so about 30 minutes per batt. jerry dycus Eric __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biofuel from horse manure
Hi Marie and All, - Original Message - From: marie miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] biofuel from horse manure Does anyone know of someone making biofuel or electricity from horse manure mixed with wood shavings? There are several ways, one is to build a digester and run an engine from the methane produced. Another is to dry it some and build a producer gas generator to fuel an engine. A good way to get heat for the winter is to build a large compost pile with some pipes running water thru it to collect the heat. One lasts the whole winter. With gas and oil prices going up this looking pretty good. I'm working on ways to make methanol or methane from biomass but I have a long way to go. Hope this helps, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Olsen and All, --- Olsen Eric (app1ebo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, I have a 2.5Kw 120 VAC water-cooled Yanmar Diesel and plan on doing exactly the same as you suggest us northerners do (New Jersey). I plan to take it further than heating the house in winter by preheating hot water in the summer. The work is still on progress, but so far I have built a sound enclosure and exhaust heat exchanger I built from a highway muffler wrapped with 1/4 copper and insulation. I have the copper tube wrapped around the exhaust all the way up to the cylinder head (all insulated), because the heat from the coolant was not hot enough. It was a used marine gen set, the water pump flows too much water, but the exhaust heats it up nice now, but it takes a while. Marine engines that cool from sea water in the engine block instead of fresh water and a heat exchanger to salt water can't go over 135F or the salt comes out and clogs the passages. Put a thermostat or a restriction inline to slow the water down. They will run better and more eff at the higher temps like 180 to 200F. Maybe use a marine heat exchanger to pick up the heat. These are eff, small engines so heat has to be eff tranfered to work well. I would also like to back-feed the 120V to the utility without batteries and inter-tie inverter. If you find a way to do this please post it. I was thinking of just using an inverter without the batteries, but don't know if that can work with something like a Trace inverter. Again, help on this would be appreciated. Eric Olsen I just saw a price for a Trace Sw and it's way out of my price range. Anybody know of the cheapest way to shut down or transfer the gen when the power line goes down? You don't need an inverter, just the disconect. You already have AC. I was thinking, dangerous I know ;-), that if you can run a meter backwards on 120vac then the other 120vac leg could be used to power a relay disconecting the gen to just run your house until the powerline comes back on. If this works it would make tying in cheap and safe. Hope this helps, jerry dycus -Original Message- From: jerry dycus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:23 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat Hi Ratchelali and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: get my feedstock recycled and free, rather than virgin, thanks. Using waste as fuel is eco of the highest order. Besides, I'm cheap. ;-) Fuel consumption should be about 4-7 hr per gal. I just got the engine and I'm still thinking about how to use it. I'm thinking of just running my electric meter backward with it to cut my electric bill to almost nothing. I called Tampa Electric co to sell them electricity but they didn't want it. Has anyone done this with a 120 vac gen? Another way is to charge batteries and run an inverter from them. The problem here is batteries need to be finished charged at a low rate and equalized once a week to have long life. One way around this is to have 2 banks of batts and have one bank equalize the other and the engine just has to bulk charge which it can do fast and eff. The goal is to keep engine time to a minimum, say 2 hr/6 kw/ day avg saving much wear, cost and noise. I'll use engine heat to heat my home next winter too. I don't understand why people up north don't do this. It can cut their heat, electric bill in half with fuel oil or more with fryer oil or biodiesel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Dana and All, --- Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, Are you really considering running your meter backwards? This is not only iilegal(theft) it is dangerous. Powerline crews typically shut off power before working onlines at a substation or line shunt. It's not theft, I want to sell them power but they wont buy so I just cut their share down to a small %. They still get me for some. I'll also run it during peak times giving them electric when they need it most and using their's when load factors are lower keeping their eff higher. It's how net metering works and a very good deal for the electric co. They don't expect to have power comming from the other direction and as such feeding back into the grid can cause injury or death... There are procedures and equipment to sell energy back to the power co. but they are not cheap and of course they buy at a discount. In MN the power co. All the electric co uses is switches for their safety disconnects run by simple circuits. I'm studying the problem now. must buy consumer produced electricity...but it requires safety equipment and the discount is deep. Still may be cheaper than investing in inverters and batterys. Check with your state public utilities commission (PUC) for state laws requiring the power co. to purchase your excess. This is Fla where the goverment is bought and paid for. It'll be at least 3 years before net metering is the law here or longer, probably a lot longer. I plan on doing it safely, I don't want anyone to fry. Thanks for caring, jerry dycus Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Hi Steve, Ed and All, --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bummer. no cogen possibility then. My yanmar is air cooled and I'm going to co-gen heat from it. You can make the engine more eff by eliminating the power robbing fan by putting copper pipe coils in the cooling fins with heat sink compound to heat water then get more heat from the exhaust. From: Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:10:43 -0700 No, air cooled. From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] water cooled? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Ratchelali and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heated centrifuge but maybe not in your scale which poses a problem. How often do you run this engine and whats your fuel consumption. It may be cheaper to use new veggie oil and not bother with the used stuff. The spot market for veggie oil is $1.00 a gal in the US in 60,000 lb lots, way above diesel. I'll get my feedstock recycled and free, rather than virgin, thanks. Using waste as fuel is eco of the highest order. Besides, I'm cheap. ;-) Fuel consumption should be about 4-7 hr per gal. I just got the engine and I'm still thinking about how to use it. I'm thinking of just running my electric meter backward with it to cut my electric bill to almost nothing. I called Tampa Electric co to sell them electricity but they didn't want it. Has anyone done this with a 120 vac gen? Another way is to charge batteries and run an inverter from them. The problem here is batteries need to be finished charged at a low rate and equalized once a week to have long life. One way around this is to have 2 banks of batts and have one bank equalize the other and the engine just has to bulk charge which it can do fast and eff. The goal is to keep engine time to a minimum, say 2 hr/6 kw/ day avg saving much wear, cost and noise. I'll use engine heat to heat my home next winter too. I don't understand why people up north don't do this. It can cut their heat, electric bill in half with fuel oil or more with fryer oil or biodiesel. Another good way is producer gas from woody biomass. Anybody run a small Yanmar diesel on producer gas? But I still need a good low tech/ cost way to filter/ treat it. What the cheapest filter I can get away with? As for filtered motor oil as fuel in a diesel a friend of mine use to mix it with 15% diesel and ran it in his Mercedes. That said motor oil has some nasty things in it like heavy metals. Also has longer molecules that are harder to burn cleanly causing pollution. It's one fuel I won't be using even for free. jerry dycus Now for the question. In the US what's the cheapest way to filter , prepare used fryer oil for running in the yanmar straight other than keeping it warm? What can go wrong? Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Steve and All, Toilet paper now is a lot different than in the past, more glue/ filler than fibers. I'd think that it would clog up. What kind, brand of paper do you use? Would a diesel fuel filter work? Do you do anything besides filtering? Thanks, jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looking for a toilet paper roll type filter used on old tractors. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Andrew and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heated centrifuge?? Tell us more. I filter mine in 20 litre batchs through a 5 micron filter bag and since I use 200 litres a week it becomes quite labour intensive and a bit messy. Cheap enough at $6 per bag per 200 litres but there has to be a better way. I run 2 vehicles and a 2kva genset on straight fat. Where would you buy a filter bag? Couldn't you back flush it for reuse a couple of times. Do you do anything else besides filtering it? Thanks, jerry dycus Andrew. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heated centrifuge but maybe not in your scale which poses a problem. How often do you run this engine and whats your fuel consumption. It may be cheaper to use new veggie oil and not bother with the used stuff. Now for the question. In the US what's the cheapest way to filter , prepare used fryer oil for running in the yanmar straight other than keeping it warm? What can go wrong? Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] membership
Hi Keith and All, When I try to access the oil drum wind gen URL it says I'm not a member, isn't the list Biofuel? What's up? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are now 601 of us. That's quite a lot! Cool!!! Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Hi Keith, ED and All, To quote Keith, Sigh --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and they accumulate in remote areas of the world...an emerging problem as we ship battery banks out with PV panels to remote areas, to be replaced every 3-5 years with new ones, and no incentive or program to recover the old. We are talking about a lot of PV going into service the next few decades in these areas. What will become of the batteries? Ed B. While it's sad that some people do this, what does it have to do with EV'ers who recycle them and even gather others for the cash rewards and to keep lead out of the eco-system. As EV's spread these programs will spring up all over because with more EV's the price of lead goes up. This will give ICE cars a place to recycle there batts. Since there are so many batteries in an EV it makes recycling really worthwhile. A good thing about batteries is the lead oxide tends to stay put, is stable, even when the battery case splits open making cleanup easier. Hi Ed I was referring to EVs though, and Jerry's claims that 97% of batteries are recycled in the US, for which he reffed the Battery Council International (not what one would call a disinterested party), which claimed 96% (Lead-acid batteries are the environmental success story of our time). http://www.batterycouncil.org/ What thing is recycled more than 96%? I want an answer. You keep saying it's not a success, nothing is 100%. EV batteries are recycled almost 100%. So, let's see - if 96% are recycled and seven million aren't recycled, that would make a total of 175 million batteries replaced in the US per year. But Battery Council International claims 81.8 million replacement batteries shipped in the US in 1999, plus 18.7 OE, making a total of 100.5 million: http://www.batterycouncil.org/news-batt.html How many are recycled and not counted? Also EV'ers recycle theirs for cost and eco reasons. You can be put in jail for dumping a battery in the US. still leaves 3.2 million dumped batteries per year in the US alone, not a trivial matter. How many were EV batteries? PVs and EVs en masse will obviously make this a lot worse. Denials and number-massaging instead of acknowledging the problem and dealing with it properly will just mess up something that should be good. I agree we should get rid of all lead no matter how carefully we handle it. So Keith, get rid of your computer, car( besides the battery about 50 lbs of lead filler, electronics lead), TV, stereo, lights, refrigerator, a/c, ect. After all that's your standard you want me to live up to. If you don't get rid of your lead what does that make you? If lead is so bad why do you own so much of it? I'll bet there is more lead in these than in all Lead batteries put together. What's the % of these recycled? I'll bet 20% or much less. If you were smart you would praise the EV'ers for doing as well as they do. If everyone did like them we'd have a much better place to live in. Sniping unfairly at EV's is not a way to increase membership. There are a good number of people on the Ev list on this one and you are insulting them with your comments by saying because they drive an EV they are polluters. Most are working hard to keep their impact low on our planet. Sadly, jerry dycus Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric heat 99% efficent?
Hi skaar,Tim and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cause most devices lose efficiency by not burning fuel completely or having most of the fuel lost as heat, since an electric heaters purpose is to make heat, it puts all of it's received energy to its intended purpose. While it's true that electricity to heat is about 100% eff making electricity is about 33% eff dropping eff by 2/3. Tim Castleman wrote: I don't get it, how do you conclude electrical heaters are efficient? Now -- consider this -- your most efficient heat transfer is simple electrical resistance heaters. also the cheapest. and they work very well at 1200 F range. Consider this -- the steam reformation reaction is a method of storing heat as a gas. Beats the hell out of charging batteries efficiency wise. Batteries are 90 to 98% eff. It will be hard to beat that. Have you ever tried to store H2? I didn't think so because if you did you wouldn't say things like that. Why -- because in a reaction chamber heated by electrical resistance elements over 99% conversion of power to heat is realized. There is no flue gas going out at 1200 F -- get it?? You can use the flue gas to preheat the combustion air and use insulation for eff of 80/ 90% in large units. To distill dry biomass takes about 10% of the biomass for process heat in a good unit. jerry dycus Biofuel at Journey to Forever: __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Hi Ed and All, --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, enterprising young person...or dumb? A few hundred at a time is several thousand pounds of batteries to slug on and off per load (careful, don't spill that acid or get any on you!), a 2 ton truck, a couple of hundred miles at maybe 10 mpg...for $35???!!! Federal law requires that anyone selling lead batteries take used cores back for recycling. So take them back where they were bought. Around here you get $2+ for them in Fla. That's $400 per trip. I'd look for scrap yards to sell them to. Auto recyclers are required to recycle them so will have a system set up. Maybe get the 4H clubs to recycle them as a fundraiser. If there are that many batts lying around maybe you should talk to your gov about it. But again an EV'er wouldn't be leaving his batteries, he'd be exchanging them. Maybe you should blame farmers/ ranchers for it instead of EV'ers. Everything can be dangerous,a cup of water can kill you. jerry dycus Have to be the 99 cent Cheeseburger from Wendy's. You'd need a truckload of cheeseburgers to replace the burned calories! (maybe a soyburger is cheaper ?) Of course, if you're in a fishing village, you can just take 'em out and deep six 'em off the square end of the one-lunger some calm night. That way they don't make an unsightly pile by the barn. KIDDING!! Ed B. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling how long do batteries last in the environment before leaking and causing damage? since they are plastic cased they should last quite a while, so i guess the terminal posts would be the first thing to go kaput. an enterprising young person could easily make a few bucks by mining for batteries, broach the subject to the children in your area, give them a few percent less than you would get for them, carry a few hundred at a time and pay for your gas and maybe get enough to buy a cheeseburger. -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Hi Ed and All, --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry - I studied ergonomics a few years back, and the textbook was entitled Fitting the Task to the Man. I think vehicle-nomics, or motive-power-nomics (for lack of a better term!!)is the answer here, where a very similar approach is taken. A great way to look at it. Anyway, I don't want to bother with the many reasons why I believe that, all things considered, an efficient small diesel is a terrific option, people on this list are already aware of that - suffice to say I have owned an electric bike and driven a few EV's (with a view to perhaps owning or building one someday), and do like them for short urban trips where zero local emissions are needed. The best vehicle drive is electric, not even Detroit argues with that. It's why trains and ships use them. I also agree that filtered fryer oil or biodiesel is a very good way to genorate the electricity for the EV. And if the EV has to go a long way a gen run on them onboard is the best way to go right now. So last night I bought a 5hp yanmar diesel to charge my car and house. However, I've found them to be cost effective or practical, so far, compared to the cost/emissions profile of the small-diesel-on-biodiesel option. Combined they have the best of both worlds and few of the problems each has seperately. Electric drive gives good performance and eff and biodiesel gives range and smaller battery pack/ cost. I raise the point on batteries from EV's and PV's simply because it is not considered seriously enough or often enough, IMHO, in the rush to send out yet another supposedly relatively benign technology into the world on a scale that we have not taken proper account of. Don't hold your breath waiting for EV's to overtake ICE's for many years. When it does battery recycling will be right behind. It's so bad trying to buy an EV that you have to build your own or buy someone elses now. On the EV list we have had countries like Nepal contacting us to get battery recycling started. Nepal, because of no oil and hugh hydro electric and high alt where ICE's don't work well they have decided to go electric. There are hundreds of people now on this list, lurking, thinking, planning, and participating. The issue needs some action, so I take advantage of opportunities to do so. But you need to put your energy to where the problem is and it's not with EV's. It's with ICE's, farmers, and all the other lead, lead batt user's. Btw as soon as I can afford ni-cads I'll go with them as they last 20 plus years. I use some 25 year old SAFT ni-cads on my electric bike and they put out more than their ratings still. My folding and my tilting e-bikes are now powered by solar panels. Biodiesel in gensets and vehicles is advantageous for many applications, but this is not to say that there is any one-size-fits-all solution. Room for all, and combinations thereof, with attention to a systems approach for the details of how best to fit them to specific tasks and circumstances. I agree, we will need many energy sources to replace fossil fuels. The nice thing about electric is all of them can be converted to electricity to run it. And as a battery dominated hybrid it gets about twice the mpg for the same performance as a pure ICE. As the fuel sources get tighter that ability to run on anything becomes more dear saving large amounts by using the cheapest method at the time. Direct charging from wind- solarcell- hydro- nuke sources is another advantage that ICE's can't do. Any electric socket becomes a filling station too. Any one source can have hugh price spikes like nat gas and heating oil did this winter and gas is about to do now. By having many sources I won't be standing in lines or be gouged as the future $ of gasoline/ diesel, biodiesel goes skyhigh. Be warned, be prepared, be flexible. jerry dycus Sincerely, Ed B. - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Hi Keith, skaar and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it be a good idea to smelt them in a home foundry? what would a guy do with the acid? is the casing recyclable? anybody found an easy way to reform sulphuric acid yet? While I have recycled battery lead for a sailboat keel I built, I don't recommend it. Don't breath the fumes. This goes for soldering too. The acid is very weak but probably contains lead. It's best to let battery recyclers do it with the proper equipment. I've been studing how to make sulfuric acid. First you roast sulfur with air thru catalyst making sulfur dioxide then you make sulfur trioxide by runing SO2 thru another catalyst. Then you react it with water to make sulfuric acid. Not something you would do at home but a large farm, ethanol co-op might. Hope this helps, jerry dycus Seems it's a no-no - Aleks says not something for the living room. Real pity - if you could concentrate it somehow you could use it to crack cellulose for ethanol. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ does anybody buy bulk plastic of the type in the batteries? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric heat 99% efficent?
Hi Robert and All, --- robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: as a gas. Beats the hell out of charging batteries efficiency wise. Batteries are 90 to 98% eff. It will be hard to beat that. Have you ever tried to store H2? I didn't think so because if you did you wouldn't say things like that. Actually, the message was cross posted to this list from the gasification list at CREST. Destructive biomass distillation results in a combination of hydrocarbon gases and H2, and Peter Singfield, who posted the original message, probably HAS stored it at some point in his long and illustrious career. The other gasses that come from DD are about as hard to store as H2, mostly methane and CO. The carbon reforming with steam produces CO and H2 also known as syn gas. Storage for these are difficult. You can use the flue gas to preheat the combustion air and use insulation for eff of 80/ 90% in large units. To distill dry biomass takes about 10% of the biomass for process heat in a good unit. jerry dycus But he's not talking about combustion. He's referring to steam reformation. Did you not post something concerning the destructive distillation of methanol several weeks ago? The processes appear similar. Peter Singfield promotes low tech biomass gasification and has, in the past, advocated methods that do not require drying--an unnecessary waste of energy that can be avoided by gasifying green biomass and recovering the latent heat of steam vaporization in a low temperature bottoming cycle organic rankine engine. I'm glad to see that the gasifacation list is back up, thanks for the heads-up Keith. Peter's pretty good and I'm interested in his propane steam type engine too. I have a large number of questions for them. I don't intend to speak for the man, but I've been reading his posts for a very long time, and I believe you have misunderstood his assertion because you didn't have the benefit of a larger context in which to frame his remarks. I answered someone elses post about it and didn't know it came from him. jerry dycus robert luis rabello __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] small diesels and filtering fat
Hi Ed, Steve and All, --- Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of that, is a 2500 watt single cyl. Lister genset in good order @ $500 Canadian worth buying? Durable, but load and clunky compared to Yanmar? Opinions? Listers are very good if heavy. The 2500 watt rating is probably at 1800 rpm. You may get more horsepower/ less life by raising the rpm without the gen. Check with a dealer about it. For $500 Can it's a good deal if in good shape. A good choice for continious use as is. I really like yanmars because when I was a boat techn they always started right up new out of the box unlike the other brands. Mine despite sitting 6 months started on the first pull. It has electric start too. The main pain in the a-- for diesels is air bubbles in the fuel line. Yanmars don't seem to care self purging somehow. From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] yanmar was a decent selection. I believe so too. Steve Spence Now for the question. In the US what's the cheapest way to filter , prepare used fryer oil for running in the yanmar straight other than keeping it warm? What can go wrong? Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for Resources on Solar Energy
Hi Skaar and All, Thanks for the info. I didn't know there was any other besides one in Maine? and a really big one in France. Thanks, jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a large reservoir built by closing off a bay, the dam has a piece of the highway on it, there is a small building in the middle. you go inside and there is a bunch of stuff showing how it's built, i took a look a few years ago, like 11-12, the dam has a hole in it and there is a large turbine in the flow, the tide comes in it runs the turbine one way, the tide runs out it turns the other. i guess they get it into phase by braking it till it gets into phase. nothing really spectacular about it, except it's size. jerry dycus wrote: Skaar, how about some details on the annapolis water generator? -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for Resources on Solar Energy
Hi Odin and All, --- Odin Olaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, I'll forward them to you or if jery posts it on the group. I think he has given us a list of materials from scrap... i'll look for it in my inbox All the stuff is in my head, not easy to put online. I build windgens from what I find surplus for the most part. Unless you have a lot of time and money to waste build windgens from published plans or buy one finished. There are at least 10 windgens for sale in the US for under $700 complete. It took me 250 hrs to learn then another 400 hrs to make survivable units. Unless you want to do the same use a plan, kit or buy one finished. Good info is in Home Power magazine's CD's and adds. I will answer questions about windgens but have no plans for them. Good luck, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Methanol and the Hynol process - was Re: [biofuel] keith
Hi Keith and All, Tom Reed did and methanol production was pertty low. Tricks from the Hynol process like running the H2 back thru the carbon and recycling heat might help it's eff. The way is out there, we just have to find it. jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry and Stephen Thanks for your responses. I'll write to Bailey Condrey at the American Methanol Institute, who gave me the link. Nobody's tried the Homepower method yet? Best Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for Resources on Solar Energy
Hi All, I build wind gens by building most of it from scratch. First I find a permenant magnet motor about twice the voltage , amps and the rpm I need. The voltage has to be higher than the batteries at 350 rpm for a 6 ft blades to work well. These are hard to find but I buy them for $5 to $25 surplus. A pm motor rated at 100vdc/ 10 amps/ 1000rpm will put out slightly less than 10vdc /10 amps/ 100 rpm. As long as you don't over amp them past their amp rating they work like this. I build the blades in fiberglass from a fiberglass mold I took off a wooden blade of known power output. Once you have the mold new blades are about $5 each in material. Next there is the gen mount. You either have to put in slip rings to take the power down the mount pole or unwind the power cord every few days. You need some form of overspeed protection to keep the gen from burning up. This could be as simple as a fuse/ circuit breaker, tilting out of the windstream, or blade air/ friction brakes. For those wanting to build units from scratch without my experence would do well to do the Brake drum wind-gen post last week or so. It looked like a good, simple, rugged design. If you find other designs I'll be glad to check them out if you like. Could someone post it's URL? Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Odin Olaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry , how about sharing win gen under $100 ,info and or parts lists I'll be needing that too! At least the parts list, we can scout from junk shops here and we can build it from scrap maybe under $100. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] keith
Hi Stephen and All, --- stephen lakios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I read the entire Hynol site, all 62 pages. It was interesting, but not your ordinary backyard project. They had a lot of shoddy engineering-design,and shoddy fabrication. It states there is not much gain above 10 atm, yet they went with 30 atm's. They would have saved a lot if they stuck with 10 atm's, as the entire shell, tee and reactor could have been much lighter. They would have saved more with a lighter superstructure. Why they first tried greencast is a mystery to me, greencast is used in ordinary 1 atm kilns. The design engineer should have known better. They could use the clinker amalgamated sand,ash and other residues) as an ingredient to make bricks. Thus keeping it out of our landfills. The feeding problem was obvious, anytime you create a shelf, things will collect there. It should have been a tube all the way through. They are useing a woodmeal and not woodchips, so a hammermill or grinders are needed. The soleniod valve in the feed pipe should be placed in a horizontal pipe so green woodmeal will not pack downwards on a closed valve. Five years seems to be a long time for a pilot project. But with all that grant money, I guess they dont need to be in a hurry. stephen I agree with Stephen on this assesment. I'm looking for a 1 Atm pressure unit to keep costs down . Parts of the hynol design like the recycling of the heat to drive the reactions and cycling the H2 back into the reaction chamber to react with the carbon show promise but they are a long way from anything. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
