[Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul A beautifully formulated response teeming with evidence to substantiate the notion that burning oil is a vital requirement for life to continue(if we were in the 5th grade). I really don't think I should spend the 2 minutes it takes to research and acquire facts to refute your ridiculous testimony of, oil, it does a body good. But I will anyway. http://www.offshore-environment.com/abandonment.html http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/threats.htm In particular, observations in the Gulf of Mexico revealed a strong positive correlation between the amount of oil platforms, growing since the 1950s, and commercial fish catches in the region. It became one of the reasons to suggest the positive impact of offshore oil and gas developments on the fish populations and stock. Wide popularization of this fact led to the mass movement using the slogan From rigs - to reefs in the USA in the mid-1980s. However, further analyses of the fishing situation in the Gulf of Mexico showed that the growth of the fish catch in this case was connected not with increasing the total stock and abundance of commercial species but with their redistribution due to the reef effect of the platforms. A critical point here was the use of static gear methods of fishing (e.g., lines and hooks) instead of trawl gears. Besides, the areas around the platforms became very popular places of recreational and sport fishing. This also made a significant contribution to the total catch volumes.. Pursuant to the Sustainable Fisheries Act of 1996, the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov) must publish a Report to the United States Congress http://www.gulfcouncil.org/downloads/Status%20of%20Fisheries%202001a.pdf on the status of our nation's fisheries resources. This report assesses the condition of the 905 managed fish species in U.S. waters. Of these 905 species, the report finds that 72 are being taken at a rate that this higher than can be sustained (overfishing), 92 are below a level that scientists consider healthy (overfished), and the status of 709 species (78.3 percent) is unknown. Thus, for the species on which we have scientific information, about 50 percent are either undergoing overfishing, currently overfished, or approaching an overfished condition, meaning that they will become overfished in two years if no action is taken. In the Gulf region, the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council http://www.gulfcouncil.org has 57 species under its direct management. Of these 57 species, over half of the species we have information for (6 out of 10) are considered overfished. This list includes red snapper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper%20FS.PDF, red grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Red%20Grouper%20FS.PDF, red drum, Nassau grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/NASSAU%20GROUPER%20FS.pdf, goliath grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/GOLIATH%20GROUPER%20FS.pdf and greater amberjack http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Amberjack%20FS.PDF. Gag grouper is considered approaching an overfished condition. Furthermore, four out of eight species in the Gulf region are also subject to overfishing. These include red http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper%20FS.PDF snapper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper.pub, red grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Red%20Grouper%20FS.PDF, gag grouper, and vermilion snapper. The majority of Gulf species (47) are considered of unknown status. NMFS http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov also directly manages a number of species in the Gulf region including sharks, tuna, and billfish. Of these species, all of the billfish for which we have information are overfished, including blue marlin, white marlin, and sailfish. Three out of the four tuna species in the Gulf are overfished, including bigeye tuna, albacore and bluefin tuna. Finally, 16 out of the 22 shark species for which information is available are considered overfished. These include sandbar, blacktip, dusky, spinner, silky, bull, Caribbean reef, tiger, lemon, sand tiger, bigeye sand tiger, nurse, scalloped hammerhead, great hammerhead, whale, and white sharks. Thus, of the 29 fish species for which scientific
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul Sorry if I'm taking the above out of context, but the above could be comparing apples to oranges. I have to believe the planet evolved with the petroleum that is released naturally into the seas. I also have to believe it's a safe bet that the planet didn't evolve with made releases of petroleum into or onto the seas. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul Actually, Farmer Paul, your original post (below) was simply a bunch of opinionations that lacked both substantiation and substance. You've since had some responses that did not lack substantiation. Sneers and more unsubstantiated opinionations are not an acceptable response. The List rules, which you're obliged to read, and which you've been referred to before, say this, among other things: If someone questions you, don't just ignore them. You should be prepared to substantiate what you say, or to acknowledge it if you can't. The List rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Respond to the replies your post received in a reasoned manner to support your views, as you would have to do in any normal discussion. Respond by return please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Please do not Quote items form THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Please do not Quote items form THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul/ / Heeere's some more EXTREME hog wast for ya, FArmer Paul, from the US Fish Wildlife Service(surely they must be incompetent scientists/conservationists.as you so vehemently pointed out to us). http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/ANWR/anwr_fws.htm /Although the population of caribou (Central Arctic herd) in the vicinity of North Slope oil fields increased in the early years of oil field development, the herd has declined since 1992. The Porcupine Caribou is expected to decrease in the face of 1002 Area development. There are fundamental differences between the calving areas of these two herds. In the case of the Central Arctic herd, there is a greater amount of alternative calving area available for displaced cows to move to because the mountains are much farther from the ocean. The 1002 Area is only one-fifth the size of the area used by the Central Arctic caribou herd, but six times as many caribou use the 1002 Area. In the Arctic Refuge, where the mountains are close to the coast, few alternative areas would be available for displaced cows. Therefore, development in the 1002 Area would result in: / * /reduction in the amount and quality of preferred forage available during and after calving, / * /restricted access to important coastal insect-relief habitats, / * /exposure of the herd to higher predation, and / * /alteration of an ancient migratory pattern, the effects of which we can not predict / /Data from the Alaska Department of Conservation show that the Trans-Alaska and Prudhoe Bay oil fields have had an annual average of 409 spills since 1996 of everything from crude oil to acid. Current oil operations in Alaska's North Slope every year emit about 56,427 tons of nitrous oxides, which cause smog and acid rain, and release up to 110,000 tons of methane, a greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming (Boston Globe 2001). The Prudhoe Bay Complex also emits 11,400,000 metric tons of carbon to the atmosphere per year (Brooks et al. 1997). This amount is equivalent to the per capita emissions of approximately two million individuals in the United States. / It is a vast frozen desert Thats too bad that your narrow-mindedness does not allow for life to thrive in an Arctic environment. Such an ignorant view is completely contrary to the truth. Some more hog wast /In fact, according to FWS, the Arctic Refuge coastal plain contains the greatest wildlife diversity of any protected area above the Arctic Circle. //The caribou are by no means the only wildlife populations in the Arctic Refuge. The area's large mammals also include grizzly bears, polar bears, Dall sheep, wolves, moose, and a herd of rare muskoxen./ /The Arctic Refuge's coastal plain provides the most important land denning habitat for the Beaufort Sea polar bear population //135 species of birds are known to use the 1002 Area... //About 250 muskoxen live year-round in the 1002 area of the Arctic Refuge.../ You see FArmer Paul, conservationists and environmentalists are simply fighting to preserve that which SUPPORTS life; a healthy Earth. This is common sense. Why you aggressively disregard this, who knows? Do you not depend on clean air, water, and land for survival? Peace Marc / / ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
My father was a welding inspector on the Alaska pipeline and has told me on many occasions how much care was taken to preserve the environment. He and I disagree on environmental issues and this is an excellent example. I don't doubt the efforts of Bechtel to maintain cleanliness back then. But, even if we assume that companies can remain consistent with such a practice (it only takes one mistake to cause a disaster) there is the more disturbing issue of paying little or no attention to sustainability. There is an abundance of evidence supporting the claim that for every hole in the ground that dries up, the prospect of another one taking it's place is and has been increasingly less likely. As long as Oil remains so important to civilization, we will have wars fought over oil and an untold impact on the environment due to its handling and emissions (in addition to the environmental impact of war). Mike R Marc DeGagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not Quote items form THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul/ / Heeere's some more EXTREME hog wast for ya, FArmer Paul, from the US Fish Wildlife Service(surely they must be incompetent scientists/conservationists.as you so vehemently pointed out to us). http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/ANWR/anwr_fws.htm /Although the population of caribou (Central Arctic herd) in the vicinity of North Slope oil fields increased in the early years of oil field development, the herd has declined since 1992. The Porcupine Caribou is expected to decrease in the face of 1002 Area development. There are fundamental differences between the calving areas of these two herds. In the case of the Central Arctic herd, there is a greater amount of alternative calving area available for displaced cows to move to because the mountains are much farther from the ocean. The 1002 Area is only one-fifth the size of the area used by the Central Arctic caribou herd, but six times as many caribou use the 1002 Area. In the Arctic Refuge, where the mountains are close to the coast, few alternative areas would be available for displaced cows. Therefore, development in the 1002 Area would result in: / * /reduction in the amount and quality of preferred forage available during and after calving, / * /restricted access to important coastal insect-relief habitats, / * /exposure of the herd to higher predation, and / * /alteration of an ancient migratory pattern, the effects of which we can not predict / /Data from the Alaska Department of Conservation show that the Trans-Alaska and Prudhoe Bay oil fields have had an annual average of 409 spills since 1996 of everything from crude oil to acid. Current oil operations in Alaska's North Slope every year emit about 56,427 tons of nitrous oxides, which cause smog and acid rain, and release up to 110,000 tons of methane, a greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming (Boston Globe 2001). The Prudhoe Bay Complex also emits 11,400,000 metric tons of carbon to the atmosphere per year (Brooks et al. 1997). This amount is equivalent to the per capita emissions of approximately two million individuals in the United States. / It is a vast frozen desert Thats too bad that your narrow-mindedness does not allow for life to thrive in an Arctic environment. Such an ignorant view is completely contrary to the truth. Some more hog wast /In fact, according to FWS, the Arctic Refuge coastal plain contains the greatest wildlife diversity of any protected area above the Arctic Circle. //The caribou are by no means the only wildlife populations in the Arctic Refuge. The area's large mammals also include grizzly bears, polar bears, Dall sheep, wolves, moose, and a herd of rare muskoxen./ /The Arctic Refuge's coastal plain provides the most important land denning habitat for the Beaufort Sea polar bear population //135 species of birds are known to use the 1002 Area... //About 250 muskoxen live year-round in the 1002 area of the Arctic Refuge.../ You see FArmer Paul, conservationists and environmentalists are simply fighting to preserve that which SUPPORTS life; a healthy Earth. This is common sense. Why you aggressively disregard this, who knows? Do you not depend on clean air, water, and land for survival? Peace Marc / / ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
