[SWCollect] The Onion

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

Not software related but you have to check out the latest edition of The
Onion.

A silly story, but that's The Onion's forte:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3741/spaghettios_discontinued.html


My favorite Onion of all time is "Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeros".
Absolutely hysterical:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html

Runners up:
Species of Blue-Green Algae offers IPO:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3542/bluegreenalgae_ipo.html

Bill Gates Grants Self 18 Dexterity, 20 Charisma:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3121/billgates.html


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Re: [SWCollect] Anybody know these games?

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

I've been looking for Shuttle. It's a Space Shuttle sim (I'm really into the NASA
legacy).
Can you pick it up for me? How much?

As for Enigma, it's a cheesy pinball game. Pass on it, it's pretty lame,
particularly when
there were shareware pinball games released during the same era that blow it away.

"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:

> I went to a couple thrift stores today and came across these games.
> Anybody heard of them?  I'm not sure what platform they're for.
> (They're in a case and I didn't ask to see them.)
>
>  Enigma (by B&W Software)
>  Shuttle (by Virgin)
>
> Also, is Sargon III for the Apple II worth anything?  (I'm guessing
> not.)
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[SWCollect] Anybody know these games?

2001-11-14 Thread Lee K. Seitz

I went to a couple thrift stores today and came across these games.
Anybody heard of them?  I'm not sure what platform they're for.
(They're in a case and I didn't ask to see them.)

 Enigma (by B&W Software)
 Shuttle (by Virgin)

Also, is Sargon III for the Apple II worth anything?  (I'm guessing
not.)

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Re: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock)))

2001-11-14 Thread Lee K. Seitz

Jim Leonard boldly stated:
>
>My early batch file experience was making batch files to save, load, and
>restore my Hack save games.  Trust me, I am intimately familiar with
>this.  Of course, it's cheating -- you weren't a real man unless you
>beat it without backups ;-)

Yeah, well, I did the same thing with NetHack and X-Wing.  It's
interesting that iRogue (for the Palm OS) actually includes restoring
saved games after you die as a feature.  But you have to make sure you
save the game yourself, as the automatic one does get deleted.

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Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

What's the story? Is MS abusing its relationship with NBC? Where'd you hear the
rumors?
Yes, I'm very interested in that. Gates is part snake oil salesman, part gangster,
and all
opportunist.

Jim Leonard wrote:

> Chris Newman wrote:
> >
> > Voice on TV: [Person on talk show in sitcom] "Sure, Windows XP will make your
> > computing experience easier"
> > Me "Jesus Christ, Bill Gates [Lucifer himself] is on a TV sitcom. And of course
> > he's plugging Microsoft."
>
> While nobody wants to talk about it, this was the result of some pretty
> hefty favors exchanged between Microsoft and NBC.  I have heard fairly
> unsettling rumors.
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Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-14 Thread Jim Leonard

Chris Newman wrote:
> 
> Voice on TV: [Person on talk show in sitcom] "Sure, Windows XP will make your
> computing experience easier"
> Me "Jesus Christ, Bill Gates [Lucifer himself] is on a TV sitcom. And of course
> he's plugging Microsoft."

While nobody wants to talk about it, this was the result of some pretty
hefty favors exchanged between Microsoft and NBC.  I have heard fairly
unsettling rumors.
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Re: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock)))

2001-11-14 Thread Jim Leonard

Hugh Falk wrote:
> 
> I don't know about any of you, but I've always thought Rogue
> (at least ST version) is impossible to win without making backups.  Just too
> many random bad things can and do happen.

My early batch file experience was making batch files to save, load, and
restore my Hack save games.  Trust me, I am intimately familiar with
this.  Of course, it's cheating -- you weren't a real man unless you
beat it without backups ;-)
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Re: [SWCollect] Re: OT: Douglas Adams (was: New SKUs)

2001-11-14 Thread Jim Leonard

"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:
> 
> just need to get Starship Titanic.  (Anyone got a spare?)

I've got a spare you can have.  It's missing some materials (no 3D
glasses) but should be playable.
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

It took a little while, but once I was past the cheesy effects I found the movie
to be
pretty enjoyable. I though Ford Prefect was hilarious. The actors who played him
and
Arthur Dent *nailed* their roles. I wasn't too impressed with Trillian, though
Zaphod was
funny at times. Marvin was, well a real Marvin.

I actually find myself humming the theme song to myself now and then. Also, the
ending music
to the series ("What a Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong) was *PEFRECT*. I can't
explain
why but it conveyed the semi-melancholic yet hopeful tone of the plot (Arthur and
Ford hopelessly stuck
on Earth 2 million years ago) beautifully.

However -- I did NOT need to see Douglas Adams' bare butt. As Arthur would say,
"How revolting!"

Hugh Falk wrote:

> Agreed (sorry for continuing the tangent but I'm passionate about HHGG).  I
> have everything from the paperbacks to the hard-cover, leather-bound
> compendium.  I have a couple of audio tape versions and the "movie."  I
> would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with cheesy
> Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  The audio tape is actually the original format
> for HHGG and highly recommended.  The books are also excellent reads
> (especially the first two).  If you're into English humor (like Monty
> Python), they are a must.  If not, this may convert you.  HHGG has shaped my
> sense of humor since I first heard/read/saw it in college.
>
> Hugh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
> Side note:
>
> The Hitchhikers' Guide series is one of the best written sci-fi humor epics
> of all
> time!
>
> I've noticed that the hardcover compliation (w/all five books and an extra
> short
> story) has been in the bargain books racks at B&N for the past 2 years. It
> is a
> steal at $15. I've a suspicion that the "bargain" status is a marketing
> ploy, and
> the book is a consistent seller.
>
> If you've never read the series pick it up! (Or, you can download the
> complete
> works from many places).
>
> The author, Douglas Adams, died a few months ago. I think he was only 50.
> 50!
>
> "C.E. Forman" wrote:
>
> > Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
> >
> > >
> > > About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> > > well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book
> yet
> > > (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever
> read
> > > tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
> > >
> > > Pedro R. Quaresma
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   "Lee K. Seitz"
> > >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > >   13/11/01 22:52
> >
> > >
> > >   Solicita-se resposta a
> > >   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >   A/C:
> > >   Ref:
> > >   cc:
> > > Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New
> SKUs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> > > >
> > > >Chris Newman wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> > > >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> > > virtually
> > > >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
> > >
> > > >> Am I being too harsh here?
> > > >
> > > >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> > > >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> > > >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> > > >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included
> a
> > > >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> > > >game.
> > >
> > > I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> > > qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> > > step before I got the hint book.
> > >
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Jim Leonard

Hugh Falk wrote:
> 
> the "movie."  I
> would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with cheesy
> Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  

Hey, what's wrong with Dr. Who cheezy effects?  :-)

You have to admit, though, that the voice for Marvin was perfect.
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Re: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock)))

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

You're dead on. I had a magical two-handed sword, potions, plate mail, good hit
points and strength. Everything was going fine, so much so that I decided not to
save along the way with my excellent character.

What happens? Troll, 12th level. Whap, whap, whapwhapwhap. Five rounds, I'm dead.
Game over, no recourse. G.

I also cheated by using my identify scrolls to ID everything and then restore a
saved game. It was much easier than trying to carry everything and discover their
uses the "right" way.

Once you're past the 20th level the game gets exceptionally tough. Between the
vampires that drain your hitpoints, medusae that confuse you, and griffins that
are almost impossible to kill without wasting scads of magic charges, you're
chances of surviving to 26 is difficult.

I once had a super-character that went down to level 50. I kept building up levels
by hiding in a maze to recoup my hit points (I had a ring of slow digestion) and
venturing back out to whack Jaberwockys and Griffins. I also wanted to see all of
the level titles, i.e. hero, Rogue, etc. At the very high levels the titles became
sarcastic; namely "Schmendrick", "Time Waster" and so on. After a certain point
the hero titles would recycle and you'd be back to "Apprentice" with 400 hit
points.

In theory you could go deeper and deeper into the dungeon, but the game's routines
would increase the monster power proportionately, such that a Medusa on level 40
would kill you, while the same on level 20 would be physically unable to breach
your armor.

The hall of fame had a limit in storing high scores. My best score was around
45,000 but Rogue would crash when trying to process the score into the scr file.

A great game.

P.S. VIRTUAL SOUND BITE FROM LAST NIGHT

Wife -- "Chris! Chris! Come here, hurry!!"
Me [Run run run]
Me "What's wrong, are you okay?"
Wife "Looks who is on Frasier!"
Me [Watching silly sitcom carefully]
Voice on TV: [Person on talk show in sitcom] "Sure, Windows XP will make your
computing experience easier"
Me "Jesus Christ, Bill Gates [Lucifer himself] is on a TV sitcom. And of course
he's plugging Microsoft."
Wife "Hahahahahahahahahahaha -- can you believe it?"

I wonder why that happened. Gates' publicity department must have convinced him a
folksy appearance on a popular sitcom would give him free positive exposure. I
would have made it more realistic: Gates comes in, assumes ownership of the
network through use of monopolistic influence and under the table threats, fires
the leadership, and starts plugging XP and X-Box 24 hours a day.

Hugh Falk wrote:

> Well I couldn't find one for the Pocket PC, but I did find one that works
> right with my ST emulator.
>
> I beat it for old times sake...of course I had to "cheat" for old times sake
> as well.  By cheat, I mean make back-ups.  For those that don't know or
> remember, Rogue exits the game every time you save.  And it deletes the save
> file every time you load.  So the save feature is more for convenience when
> you're getting tired and not helpful at all in winning the game.  I would
> always back up the save file so if I died, I can always restore (the way
> most saves work...just more cumbersome).  Even still, it took me about 4
> days to win.  I don't know about any of you, but I've always thought Rogue
> (at least ST version) is impossible to win without making backups.  Just too
> many random bad things can and do happen.
>
> Hugh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))
>
> Hugh Falk boldly stated:
> >
> >Is there a version [of Rogue] for Pocket PC  I haven't
> >investigated yet...I'll have to!
>
> Since I don't own one, I don't know.  But let me know what you find
> out.
>
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Jim Leonard

Hugh Falk wrote:
> 
> That's one I figured out on my own.  I didn't find HHGG as difficult as
> other Infocoms...but plenty of other games stumped me...the first stumper I
> remember was my first Adventure game...Scott Adams' Pirate Adventure on the
> TI-99/4a.  I couldn't figure out how to get past the alligator without a
> hint book...wow lots of nostalgia for me today.

Actually, I think this was due to the fact that nobody likes to admit
that Scott Adams adventures were poorly constructed at times. 
Spider-Man requires you to do all sorts of non-intuitive things to win. 
Another problem with Spider-Man is that you can do things that prevent
you from finishing the game; at one point, you have to stop a fan by
throwing something into it.  If you throw stuff you really need, the fan
destroys them permanently.
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RE: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock)))

2001-11-14 Thread Hugh Falk

Well I couldn't find one for the Pocket PC, but I did find one that works
right with my ST emulator.

I beat it for old times sake...of course I had to "cheat" for old times sake
as well.  By cheat, I mean make back-ups.  For those that don't know or
remember, Rogue exits the game every time you save.  And it deletes the save
file every time you load.  So the save feature is more for convenience when
you're getting tired and not helpful at all in winning the game.  I would
always back up the save file so if I died, I can always restore (the way
most saves work...just more cumbersome).  Even still, it took me about 4
days to win.  I don't know about any of you, but I've always thought Rogue
(at least ST version) is impossible to win without making backups.  Just too
many random bad things can and do happen.

Hugh

-Original Message-
From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))


Hugh Falk boldly stated:
>
>Is there a version [of Rogue] for Pocket PC  I haven't
>investigated yet...I'll have to!

Since I don't own one, I don't know.  But let me know what you find
out.

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RE: [SWCollect] Re: OT: Douglas Adams (was: New SKUs)

2001-11-14 Thread Hugh Falk

I promise...last I'll say on this thread

Nope don't have the photo version...I'll have to look for it.  I have the
rest though...except for the scripts...will have to look for that as well.
Yes, the TV Show/Mini-series/Movie...is the same thing.  However, I do have
the commercial releases of both the movie (video tape) and the audio tapes.

I have Titanic...which I reviewed for Gamecent when it came out...but sorry,
don't have an extra.  I also have a copy of Infocom's HHGG game signed by
Steve Meretzky (but not Adams).

Hugh

-Original Message-
From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SWCollect] Re: OT: Douglas Adams (was: New SKUs)


Hugh Falk boldly stated:
>
>Agreed (sorry for continuing the tangent but I'm passionate about HHGG).  I
>have everything from the paperbacks to the hard-cover, leather-bound
>compendium.  I have a couple of audio tape versions and the "movie."  I
>would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with
cheesy
>Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  The audio tape is actually the original format
>for HHGG and highly recommended.  The books are also excellent reads
>(especially the first two).  If you're into English humor (like Monty
>Python), they are a must.  If not, this may convert you.  HHGG has shaped
my
>sense of humor since I first heard/read/saw it in college.

Oh, yeah?!  Well I have at least one copy of all the books, the radio
series recorded off NPR, the TV show recorded off PBS (I think this is
what you call the "movie."), the radio scripts book, and _Don't
Panic_ (a book about HHGG).  Oh, and the Infocom game, of course. 8)
I also picked up the Dirk Gently books (although I still haven't read
the second and didn't care for the first), _Last Chance to See_,
Bureaucracy, and a beat up copy of _The Meaning of Liff_. 8p  Now I
just need to get Starship Titanic.  (Anyone got a spare?)

Sorry.  My competitive nature got the best of me there for a minute.
Do you have the photo version of HHGG?  It was a big hardback and sold
for $42.00.  Came out in the mid-1990s, I think.  I didn't get it as I
was a poor college student or newlywed at that point.

I forget what got me interested in the series, but I think it was
around middle school or high school.  BTW, if you're a Hitchhiker's
fan, you need to read this story at DNA's site:
http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-07-s.html.

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Re: [SWCollect] Re: OT: Douglas Adams (was: New SKUs)

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

The photo version was on sale for $10 in the B&N bargain bin 2 or so years ago.
You might still find it there.

"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:

> Hugh Falk boldly stated:
> >
> >Agreed (sorry for continuing the tangent but I'm passionate about HHGG).  I
> >have everything from the paperbacks to the hard-cover, leather-bound
> >compendium.  I have a couple of audio tape versions and the "movie."  I
> >would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with cheesy
> >Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  The audio tape is actually the original format
> >for HHGG and highly recommended.  The books are also excellent reads
> >(especially the first two).  If you're into English humor (like Monty
> >Python), they are a must.  If not, this may convert you.  HHGG has shaped my
> >sense of humor since I first heard/read/saw it in college.
>
> Oh, yeah?!  Well I have at least one copy of all the books, the radio
> series recorded off NPR, the TV show recorded off PBS (I think this is
> what you call the "movie."), the radio scripts book, and _Don't
> Panic_ (a book about HHGG).  Oh, and the Infocom game, of course. 8)
> I also picked up the Dirk Gently books (although I still haven't read
> the second and didn't care for the first), _Last Chance to See_,
> Bureaucracy, and a beat up copy of _The Meaning of Liff_. 8p  Now I
> just need to get Starship Titanic.  (Anyone got a spare?)
>
> Sorry.  My competitive nature got the best of me there for a minute.
> Do you have the photo version of HHGG?  It was a big hardback and sold
> for $42.00.  Came out in the mid-1990s, I think.  I didn't get it as I
> was a poor college student or newlywed at that point.
>
> I forget what got me interested in the series, but I think it was
> around middle school or high school.  BTW, if you're a Hitchhiker's
> fan, you need to read this story at DNA's site:
> http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-07-s.html.
>
> --
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[SWCollect] Re: OT: Douglas Adams (was: New SKUs)

2001-11-14 Thread Lee K. Seitz

Hugh Falk boldly stated:
>
>Agreed (sorry for continuing the tangent but I'm passionate about HHGG).  I
>have everything from the paperbacks to the hard-cover, leather-bound
>compendium.  I have a couple of audio tape versions and the "movie."  I
>would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with cheesy
>Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  The audio tape is actually the original format
>for HHGG and highly recommended.  The books are also excellent reads
>(especially the first two).  If you're into English humor (like Monty
>Python), they are a must.  If not, this may convert you.  HHGG has shaped my
>sense of humor since I first heard/read/saw it in college.

Oh, yeah?!  Well I have at least one copy of all the books, the radio
series recorded off NPR, the TV show recorded off PBS (I think this is
what you call the "movie."), the radio scripts book, and _Don't
Panic_ (a book about HHGG).  Oh, and the Infocom game, of course. 8)
I also picked up the Dirk Gently books (although I still haven't read
the second and didn't care for the first), _Last Chance to See_,
Bureaucracy, and a beat up copy of _The Meaning of Liff_. 8p  Now I
just need to get Starship Titanic.  (Anyone got a spare?)

Sorry.  My competitive nature got the best of me there for a minute.
Do you have the photo version of HHGG?  It was a big hardback and sold
for $42.00.  Came out in the mid-1990s, I think.  I didn't get it as I
was a poor college student or newlywed at that point.

I forget what got me interested in the series, but I think it was
around middle school or high school.  BTW, if you're a Hitchhiker's
fan, you need to read this story at DNA's site: 
http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-07-s.html.

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RE: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Hugh Falk

Agreed (sorry for continuing the tangent but I'm passionate about HHGG).  I
have everything from the paperbacks to the hard-cover, leather-bound
compendium.  I have a couple of audio tape versions and the "movie."  I
would save the movie for last since it will likely turn you off (with cheesy
Dr. Who/BBC type effects).  The audio tape is actually the original format
for HHGG and highly recommended.  The books are also excellent reads
(especially the first two).  If you're into English humor (like Monty
Python), they are a must.  If not, this may convert you.  HHGG has shaped my
sense of humor since I first heard/read/saw it in college.

Hugh

-Original Message-
From: Chris Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs


Side note:

The Hitchhikers' Guide series is one of the best written sci-fi humor epics
of all
time!

I've noticed that the hardcover compliation (w/all five books and an extra
short
story) has been in the bargain books racks at B&N for the past 2 years. It
is a
steal at $15. I've a suspicion that the "bargain" status is a marketing
ploy, and
the book is a consistent seller.

If you've never read the series pick it up! (Or, you can download the
complete
works from many places).

The author, Douglas Adams, died a few months ago. I think he was only 50.
50!

"C.E. Forman" wrote:

> Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
> >
> > About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> > well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book
yet
> > (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever
read
> > tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
> >
> > Pedro R. Quaresma
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   "Lee K. Seitz"
> >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >   13/11/01 22:52
>
> >
> >   Solicita-se resposta a
> >   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   A/C:
> >   Ref:
> >   cc:
> > Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New
SKUs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> > >
> > >Chris Newman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> > >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> > virtually
> > >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
> >
> > >> Am I being too harsh here?
> > >
> > >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> > >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> > >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> > >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included
a
> > >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> > >game.
> >
> > I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> > qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> > step before I got the hint book.
> >
> > --
> > Lee K. Seitz  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/
> >Wanted:  Vintage Pac-M*n necktie
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [SWCollect] OT: Douglas Adams (was:New SKUs)

2001-11-14 Thread Pedro Quaresma


Not even 50, he was 49. And he died of a heart attack. :(

I don't know if it's the same compilation, but I recently got from Amazon
"The Ultimate Hitchhiker...". It's the five books of the trilogy (sic) and
an extra story called "Young Zaphod plays it safe". Price was more or less
the one you mentioned and it's hardcover too, so I guess it's the same
thing. Definitely a must.

I read Adams _after_ finding out Terry Pratchett (some of you will at least
know him from the Discworld games), who is equally fantastic.

Pedro R. Quaresma
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"So long, and thanks for all the fish"


   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
  Chris Newman 
 
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  14/11/01 13:35   
 
   
 
  Solicita-se resposta a   
 
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  A/C: 
 
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Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs  
 
   
 



Side note:

The Hitchhikers' Guide series is one of the best written sci-fi humor epics
of all
time!

I've noticed that the hardcover compliation (w/all five books and an extra
short
story) has been in the bargain books racks at B&N for the past 2 years. It
is a
steal at $15. I've a suspicion that the "bargain" status is a marketing
ploy, and
the book is a consistent seller.

If you've never read the series pick it up! (Or, you can download the
complete
works from many places).

The author, Douglas Adams, died a few months ago. I think he was only 50.
50!

"C.E. Forman" wrote:

> Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
> >
> > About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> > well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book
yet
> > (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever
read
> > tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
> >
> > Pedro R. Quaresma
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   "Lee K. Seitz"
> >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >   13/11/01 22:52
>
> >
> >   Solicita-se resposta a
> >   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   A/C:
> >   Ref:
> >   cc:
> > Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New
SKUs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> > >
> > >Chris Newman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> > >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> > virtually
> > >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
> >
> > >> Am I bei

Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Chris Newman

Side note:

The Hitchhikers' Guide series is one of the best written sci-fi humor epics of all
time!

I've noticed that the hardcover compliation (w/all five books and an extra short
story) has been in the bargain books racks at B&N for the past 2 years. It is a
steal at $15. I've a suspicion that the "bargain" status is a marketing ploy, and
the book is a consistent seller.

If you've never read the series pick it up! (Or, you can download the complete
works from many places).

The author, Douglas Adams, died a few months ago. I think he was only 50. 50!

"C.E. Forman" wrote:

> Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
> >
> > About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> > well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book yet
> > (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever read
> > tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
> >
> > Pedro R. Quaresma
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   "Lee K. Seitz"
> >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >   13/11/01 22:52
>
> >
> >   Solicita-se resposta a
> >   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   A/C:
> >   Ref:
> >   cc:
> > Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> > >
> > >Chris Newman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> > >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> > virtually
> > >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
> >
> > >> Am I being too harsh here?
> > >
> > >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> > >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> > >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> > >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included a
> > >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> > >game.
> >
> > I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> > qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> > step before I got the hint book.
> >
> > --
> > Lee K. Seitz  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/
> >Wanted:  Vintage Pac-M*n necktie
> >(The asterisk is to keep from mucking up people's Usenet search
> > results.  Replace it with an "a", if you didn't know.)
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.salvador-caetano.pt
> > http://www.globalshop.pt
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread C.E. Forman

It's in a vending machine, and you have to solve a series of puzzles to get
it.  Each time, something new happens to make you lose it.  For instance, if
you block a hole that it falls through after it drops out of the machine,
perhaps a cleaning robot will come along and grab it before you can.  So
then you need to think of a way to block the robot.  There are several fish
in the machine, so it's not as if it's totally unfair to the player.

- Original Message -
From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs


>
> Yes, I know that. What happened in the game, then?
>
> Pedro R. Quaresma
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   "C.E. Forman"
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>   14/11/01 13:15
>
>   Solicita-se resposta a
>   swcollect   Para: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>A/C:
>Ref:
>cc:
>  Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
>
>
>
> Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
>
> >
> > About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> > well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book
yet
> > (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever
read
> > tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
> >
> > Pedro R. Quaresma
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   "Lee K. Seitz"
> >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >   13/11/01 22:52
>
> >
> >   Solicita-se resposta a
> >   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   A/C:
> >   Ref:
> >   cc:
> > Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New
SKUs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> > >
> > >Chris Newman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> > >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> > virtually
> > >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
> >
> > >> Am I being too harsh here?
> > >
> > >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> > >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> > >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> > >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included
a
> > >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> > >game.
> >
> > I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> > qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> > step before I got the hint book.
> >
> > --
> > Lee K. Seitz  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/
> >Wanted:  Vintage Pac-M*n necktie
> >(The asterisk is to keep from mucking up people's Usenet search
> > results.  Replace it with an "a", if you didn't know.)
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.salvador-caetano.pt
> > http://www.globalshop.pt
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Pedro Quaresma


Yes, I know that. What happened in the game, then?

Pedro R. Quaresma
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"So long, and thanks for all the fish"


   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  "C.E. Forman"
  
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  14/11/01 13:15   
  
   
  
  Solicita-se resposta a   
  
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Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.

- Original Message -
From: Pedro Quaresma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs


>
> About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book yet
> (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever read
> tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
>
> Pedro R. Quaresma
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "So long, and thanks for all the fish"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   "Lee K. Seitz"
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>   13/11/01 22:52

>
>   Solicita-se resposta a
>   swcollect  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   A/C:
>   Ref:
>   cc:
> Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs
>
>
>
>
> Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> >
> >Chris Newman wrote:
> >>
> >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
> virtually
> >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
>
> >> Am I being too harsh here?
> >
> >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included a
> >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> >game.
>
> I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> step before I got the hint book.
>
> --
> Lee K. Seitz  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  *  http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/
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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread C.E. Forman

Actually, no.  Ford gives Arthur the Babel fish in the book.

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> About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
> well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book yet
> (or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever read
> tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?
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> Jim Leonard boldly stated:
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> >Chris Newman wrote:
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> >> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
> >> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
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> >> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).
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> >> Am I being too harsh here?
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> >No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
> >of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
> >were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
> >guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included a
> >puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
> >game.
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> I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
> qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
> step before I got the hint book.
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[SWCollect] Ambermoon

2001-11-14 Thread Pedro Quaresma


We were talking about Ambermoon this week, and what a coincidence, I found
the following on the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg newsgroup

"Only the Amiga version was released by Thalion, and then only in German.
(The English version was released later, I believe, in a repackaging with
Amberstar by Epic Marketing.)" --Peter Olafson

So I guess I should find out if this repackaging really exists, and if it
does, I'll try to find one.

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Re: [SWCollect] New SKUs

2001-11-14 Thread Pedro Quaresma


About Hitchhiker... many times the creators of games that are based on
well-known books "forget" that the players may have not read the book yet
(or ever will). So maybe that Babelfish puzzle was clear to whomever read
tHHGttG, but not for everyone else?

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"So long, and thanks for all the fish"


   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
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Jim Leonard boldly stated:
>
>Chris Newman wrote:
>>
>> I think this paucity of physical components falls under
>> the same category as companies releasing barebones documentation to
virtually
>> require that the player buys the strategy guide (aka real manual).

>> Am I being too harsh here?
>
>No, you're being quite accurate.  Many consider Outpost to be the start
>of this downfall; the manual blatantly omits pieces of information that
>were necessary to play the game -- only to be included in the strategy
>guide.  Personally, I consider it to be King's Quest V, which included a
>puzzle so "out there" that you *had* to buy the hint book to win the
>game.

I don't know.  I think the Babel fish in Hitchhiker just about
qualifies. 8)  I managed to figure out everything except the final
step before I got the hint book.

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Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices

2001-11-14 Thread Pedro Quaresma


Jim Leonard wrote:
> Anyway, I won't be bidding on anything from him for the two reasons I
> mentioned in the other mail.

>Go ahead!!  Geez -- I have my own price for these things so it's not
>like I'm going to be mad if you outbid me.  I'm not claiming "dibs" on
>these, just letting you guys know what I'm planning on sniping on.

No no, it's not because of the "dibs" issue. It's for those two reasons I
mentioned on my first reply to Alexander: a) he doesn't want int bidders b)
charging $6 s&h for US shippings is a too much.

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