t-and-f: Runner killed
In Ellicottville NY for the week-end. They have a road race in conjunction with a fall festival on Can Thanksgiving. Went for a 10 miler encompassing part of the route, a route I've run hundreds of times, in order to watch the leaders. No sign of the leaders. Couldn't figure out why until I came upon the following scene which had just happened. The race was postponed. Very sad. http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20011007/2020286.asp Regards, Martin
t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
The men's winner pulled the same trick that was pulled at LA a few years ago by an American whose name escapes me right now. Women:One week ago, Nakao Takahashi shocked the sport with the first women's sub two-twenty marathon, when she ran a 2:19:46 marathon at Berlin. Running much the same way, actually charging into the lead at ten miles, in 54:18, then hitting twenty miles in 1:46:12 - 51:56 for her second ten miles, Catherine held on and demolished not only the course record at The La Salle Banks Marathon, but broke Takahashi's record by one minute, with a final time of 2:18:46! Catherine Ndereba is the new world record holder in the women's marathon with a time of 2:18:46! http://www.runningnetwork.com/features/chicagolive2001.html Regards, Martin
RE: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
Yeah, the the ultimate rabbit-steals-the-show is still Tom Byers win at Bislett. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: British track and field mailing list; Track Field List Subject: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR! The men's winner pulled the same trick that was pulled at LA a few years ago by an American whose name escapes me right now. Women:One week ago, Nakao Takahashi shocked the sport with the first women's sub two-twenty marathon, when she ran a 2:19:46 marathon at Berlin. Running much the same way, actually charging into the lead at ten miles, in 54:18, then hitting twenty miles in 1:46:12 - 51:56 for her second ten miles, Catherine held on and demolished not only the course record at The La Salle Banks Marathon, but broke Takahashi's record by one minute, with a final time of 2:18:46! Catherine Ndereba is the new world record holder in the women's marathon with a time of 2:18:46! http://www.runningnetwork.com/features/chicagolive2001.html Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
malmo wrote: Yeah, the the ultimate rabbit-steals-the-show is still Tom Byers win at Bislett. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: British track and field mailing list; Track Field List Subject: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR! The men's winner pulled the same trick that was pulled at LA a few years ago by an American whose name escapes me right now. Women:One week ago, Nakao Takahashi shocked the sport with the first women's sub two-twenty marathon, when she ran a 2:19:46 marathon at Berlin. Running much the same way, actually charging into the lead at ten miles, in 54:18, then hitting twenty miles in 1:46:12 - 51:56 for her second ten miles, Catherine held on and demolished not only the course record at The La Salle Banks Marathon, but broke Takahashi's record by one minute, with a final time of 2:18:46! Catherine Ndereba is the new world record holder in the women's marathon with a time of 2:18:46! http://www.runningnetwork.com/features/chicagolive2001.html Regards, Martin The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin
RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!
Better start believing, Ed. I've seen many sub 2:15 types do their long runs at a 6:50 crawl. Many run them at 5:30 pace. Some have dark hair some have blond hair. Some are tall some are short. You get the picture. Mr. Eckmann, any thing to reveal about Tergat's training? malmo No, of course I don't believe that. Any more than I believe that many sub 2:15 marathoners do a lot of long runs at 6:50 pace as someone earlier suggested they should. Given the various contradictions, I don't think we know what Tergat is doing. - Ed Parrot
RE: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
Unfortunatly, even the Zelig-like malmo wasn't there for that one. I'll bet that Garry-two-Rs was? malmo The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
John Liccardo wrote: I think Paul Pilkington is the name you're searching for. John The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Right. Thanks. Bob had his own claim to fame. Afghanistan is being hit as I type this. Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
I think Paul Pilkington is the name you're searching for. John The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
t-and-f: Rabbit Turned Winner
I believe the men's LA marathon rabbit you're referring to was Paul Pilkington, who decided to finish up what he started and won decisively. Brian McGuire
t-and-f: WOMEN's 2:20 BARRIER
With 2 women running sub 2:20 in as many weeks, will we see a new found flurry of such activity as happened when Bannister first broke 4:00?? And, while we're at it, where would Nedereba's time be ranked amongst US men this year?? Mike Fanelli your San Francisco Bay Area real estate resource Pacific Union Real Estate Group Ltd. (415) 447 - 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.SFabode.com www.MarinHouseHunting.com
t-and-f: Conversion the key
Netters: Conversion was the key to success for several teams at New Jersey's mammoth Shore Coaches invitation meet yesterday at Holmdel Couny Park This meet is the annual preview to our state championships which are held on the same course. Like the state meet, there are six races for boys and six for girls, but the marchups aren't quite the same because public and non-public schools are lumped together and the draw decided strictly on school size. The two fastest team times of the day were posted by Gr. II schools, Haddonfield for the boys (in a driving rain) and Moorestown for the girls. The fastest boy individual was Marc Pelerin of Cherokee at 16:00 and the fastest girl Jesse Mizzone of Passaic Valley who posted an 18:22 in the same race won by Moorestown which came in lighter rain but after the couirse had been thoroughly drenched by the earlier downpour., (By day's end, it was a sublit sky with 70-degree temeperatures). Haddonfield had a 1-2 photo finish from Chris Platt and Skip Stiles, a senior in his first CC season (he played football last year), in 16:21 and a third from ex-soccer player Breton Bonette. They are missing the 4th member of their crack 4MR team from last spring, but he should be back soon. Old Bridge almost matched their team time winning the A race, but has no aces ion the hole. Moorestown was led by the Hughes sisters, Megan and Colleen, with the usual lead runner, Kelsey Rinehart, running in the 5th slot yesterday. Southern Ocean took the girls' A race with two soccer transfers, Kegga Schaffer, who ran 2nd to teammate Kathryn Wardenski, and Lauren Lewis, who finished 12th. Lewis was one of the state's top 800 runners last spring, but this is Schaffer's first second in the sport. Voorhees, whcih finished 2nd to Moorestown and had the 2nd best team time of the day, also had a soccer convert in its lineup, Elizabeth Wort, who finished 5th just behind teammate Sara Best. Christian Brothers, which has won the last six NJ AG titles, won the boys' B race, but its team average was more than 30 seconds behind Haddonfield and Old Bridge. This is obviously a building year for the Colts, who had sophs as its 2nd and 3rd men. The Colts also won big in the frosh race and may promote at least one of those runners to the varsity before season end. Cheroke chose to run its top frosh, Sean McLaughlin in the class race, which he won handily, and was only 3rd in the A race to Old Bridge and Hunterdon Central. Even with McLaughlin it has obvious 5th man problems, though its top pair of Pelerin and Keith Krieger were the fastest on the course by about four seconds over the Haddonfield duo. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!
No, of course I don't believe that. Any more than I believe that many sub 2:15 marathoners do a lot of long runs at 6:50 pace as someone earlier suggested they should. I guess my 2:09:57 doesn't count since the bulk of my runs long and short when not in a race or during the 10-15K of speed work I did per week was at 6:45-7:00 pace. I wasn't just guessing the pace either, I ran a measured mile every so often just to see. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Gebrselassie and Radcliffe win IAAF half-marathon
Haile Gebrselassie defeated the best half-marathon field ever assembled in Great Britain to win the IAAF world title in Bristol today. In only his second race over the distance the 28-year-old Ethiopian waited until the final 100m before powering away to win in the unofficial time of 60mins 3secs,ahead of team-mate Tefaye Jifar who was a second slower. Tanzanian John Yuda, who had led from the start until just over a mile was remaining, finished third in 60:00.12. With Ethiopia's third counter Tesfaye Tola finishing fifth, they won the team title for the first time ever. Briton Paula Radcliffe clocked the second fastest time ever to retain the world women's half-marathon title today Radcliffe, the world long-distance cross country champion, took off on her own after 15 kms of the 21.1km race to clock one hour six minutes 47 minutes in cold, windy conditions in Bristol. The race eventually developed into a gripping battle between the British world long-course cross country champion and Kenya Susan Chepkemei. As the field approached the city centre for the last time, Radcliffe drove on, finishing 49 seconds clear of Chepkemei with Ethiopian Berhane Adere third in 1:08:17. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!
These guys just don't get it, do they? Coming to NYC marathon? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Benji Durden Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 1:34 PM To: tf list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!! No, of course I don't believe that. Any more than I believe that many sub 2:15 marathoners do a lot of long runs at 6:50 pace as someone earlier suggested they should. I guess my 2:09:57 doesn't count since the bulk of my runs long and short when not in a race or during the 10-15K of speed work I did per week was at 6:45-7:00 pace. I wasn't just guessing the pace either, I ran a measured mile every so often just to see. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
I was in Oslo for the Byers ultimate rabbit stealing the race story. Tom (Byers) was signed up to rabbit the first 1200 of a World Record attempt (can't remember if it was a Mile or 1500). Anyways, it was the final, featured event in Oslo, and the field was great. I remember Walker, Wessinghage, perhaps Ovett, and several other of the World's best at that time. We had lunch with Tom that day, and he was saying his running was going very well, and to quote, if those guys aren't with me, I'm going for it. The race startedthe crowd was into it, and Tom was doing his job very well. But the racers were watching each other.no-one wanted to be the guy behind Byers, and thus the leader after Byers dropped out. So, as these guys were busy watching each other, and Tom was out front doing his job, a gap gradually opened up, and increased with each lap. So with about 300 metres to go, Tom looked around and was maybe 40 or so metres in front of the pack, and a big pack it was. Rather than step off the track, he gunned it down the backstretch, and for those of us who knew what Tom wanted to do, it was incredibly exciting. The crowd figured out very quickly what was going on, and completely forgot about the World Record attempt, and started to scream for Tom. Finally, with about 200 metres to go, the real racers figured out what was happening, and set out after Tom. He was still moving well through the corner, and they were gaining, but not that much. Then, coming out of the corner into the stretch, Tom was tiring, and about 10 guys were trying to find a lane to sprint home in.I'm sure the outside guys ended up in lane 5 or 6. With each step in the last 50 metres, the pack got closer to Tom, and the crowd was in total I'm cheering for the underdog mode. Unbelievable drama, almost like it was being played out in slow motion. About 4 guys passed Byers..unfortunately, that was in the metre or so after the finish line. One of the most exciting events I've ever seen. Ron Bowker At 12:51 PM 10/7/2001 -0400, Martin J. Dixon wrote: John Liccardo wrote: I think Paul Pilkington is the name you're searching for. John The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Right. Thanks. Bob had his own claim to fame. Afghanistan is being hit as I type this. Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Women's AOY
Catherine Ndereba's Chicago effort has really thrown the cat amongst the pigeons... does Takahashi fall off the radar as a chance for AOY now? How does one compare two WR, both of which are seen of greater value/merit than Dragila'a and Menendez'? We've had to add Ndereba to our list of AOY candidates despite the poll being have way thru... Andre Sammartino A cog in the wheel of the Bayside machine Come vote in our Athlete-of-the-year polls http://surf.to/bayside
RE: t-and-f: ANOTHER WOMAN MARATHON WR!
It was a 1500 http://www.michtrack.org/past/articles/century/century9.htm I was in Oslo for the Byers ultimate rabbit stealing the race story. Tom (Byers) was signed up to rabbit the first 1200 of a World Record attempt (can't remember if it was a Mile or 1500). Anyways, it was the final, featured event in Oslo, and the field was great. I remember Walker, Wessinghage, perhaps Ovett, and several other of the World's best at that time. We had lunch with Tom that day, and he was saying his running was going very well, and to quote, if those guys aren't with me, I'm going for it. The race startedthe crowd was into it, and Tom was doing his job very well. But the racers were watching each other.no-one wanted to be the guy behind Byers, and thus the leader after Byers dropped out. So, as these guys were busy watching each other, and Tom was out front doing his job, a gap gradually opened up, and increased with each lap. So with about 300 metres to go, Tom looked around and was maybe 40 or so metres in front of the pack, and a big pack it was. Rather than step off the track, he gunned it down the backstretch, and for those of us who knew what Tom wanted to do, it was incredibly exciting. The crowd figured out very quickly what was going on, and completely forgot about the World Record attempt, and started to scream for Tom. Finally, with about 200 metres to go, the real racers figured out what was happening, and set out after Tom. He was still moving well through the corner, and they were gaining, but not that much. Then, coming out of the corner into the stretch, Tom was tiring, and about 10 guys were trying to find a lane to sprint home in.I'm sure the outside guys ended up in lane 5 or 6. With each step in the last 50 metres, the pack got closer to Tom, and the crowd was in total I'm cheering for the underdog mode. Unbelievable drama, almost like it was being played out in slow motion. About 4 guys passed Byers..unfortunately, that was in the metre or so after the finish line. One of the most exciting events I've ever seen. Ron Bowker At 12:51 PM 10/7/2001 -0400, Martin J. Dixon wrote: John Liccardo wrote: I think Paul Pilkington is the name you're searching for. John The name I was trying to remember was Bob Kampenian(sp???) I think. How about retelling the Byers tale Malmo. Regards, Martin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Right. Thanks. Bob had his own claim to fame. Afghanistan is being hit as I type this. Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: WOMEN's 2:20 BARRIER
Mike I think you are right ; I see lots more to come . The runners now know that it can be done . I see 2hr and 16 min in the near future..go women science says the should be great at distance running. Mike Fanelli wrote: With 2 women running sub 2:20 in as many weeks, will we see a new found flurry of such activity as happened when Bannister first broke 4:00?? And, while we're at it, where would Nedereba's time be ranked amongst US men this year?? Mike Fanelli your San Francisco Bay Area real estate resource Pacific Union Real Estate Group Ltd. (415) 447 - 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.SFabode.com www.MarinHouseHunting.com
t-and-f: British offers incense IAAF
THE IRISH TIMES Monday, October 8, 2001 British government ministers offered to pay for scholarships for athletes from developing nations and to take the wives of senior officials on a shopping trip to top London department store Harrod's if the world athletics governing body would allow them to switch the 2005 World Championships to Sheffield, a senior IAAF official said yesterday. The senior source in the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) said: It was as if they were trying to buy us. Another official who attended the meeting, but who also asked to remain anonymous, said: It smacked of crass colonialism. A spokesman for Britain's Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) later confirmed scholarships had been discussed at the meeting. He said it was also suggested the IAAF might stage its 2005 congress meeting in London, including a reception hosted by Prime Minister Tony Blair at number 10 Downing Street, to enjoy the benefits of being in the capital. The spokesman confirmed that shopping at Harrod's was mentioned, but stressed there had never been any offers by government officials to pay for any items purchased. The IAAF had awarded its 2005 World Championships to London. But on Friday, the British culture minister, Tessa Jowell, announced London would be withdrawn because of concerns over the spiralling price of building a stadium at Pickett's Lock and the costs of staging the event. In an emergency meeting with IAAF officials on Friday, Jowell had offered to take the event to the Don Valley stadium in Sheffield but had the proposal rejected. According to sources who attended the meeting, at one point Richard Caborn, the British sports minister, turned to IAAF president Lamine Diack, of Senegal, and offered to give sports bursaries to Africans. The normally calm Diack, a former Senegalese government minister, was incensed at this attempted inducement. Yesterday, the DCMS spokesman justified the approach by saying, The offer was linked into facilities at the UK Sports Institute - there are countries who do not have those facilities, we could offer scholarships to athletes from Africa. Istvan Gyulai, general secretary of the IAAF, said, We did not pay too much attention to these offers, because we were only interested in staging the athletics in London. There are other stadiums in Britain, and other cities, such as Manchester and Birmingham, which are more suitable for our championships. But it was clear that they wanted Sheffield. Australia may step in with a bid to host the 2005 championships. Simon Allatson, chief executive of Athletics Australia, said yesterday three Australian cities could be contenders. They were Perth, which was already planning a bid to stage the championships in 2007, Sydney, which staged last year's Olympics, and Melbourne, hosts to the 2006 Commonwealth Games. The IAAF was expected to invite fresh bids for 2005, with Berlin, Budapest and Tokyo among the likely contenders. Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: What's Embarrassing?
I know I might be a bit late on this, but I feel I must defend myself. If you think its embarrassing to have Michelle ranked 6th, how about an a guy doing 20 miles per week not 200(k or mi) getting bumped to 8th if you put her into the mix. Yeah, that's right, I'm deeply offended that I'm not more embarrassing than Michelle. In defense of the walk though, I do have to say this, at least the walkers have consistently performed better at the distance events than our running brethren. Adding to another subject High mileage is a myth. Every athlete is different and responds to different stimuli. For some high mileage may work. For others a quality based program is best. I rarely ever did junk miles in my training. Some elite athletes are built like a Ferrari and others are built like say a Range Rover. Both cars have different needs and will respond to different stresses. Maybe the athlete is somewhere inbetween. I guess its kind of funny that I could use an American made car in my analogy and don't make any suggestions that the Ferrari is on EPO and that there are a lot of Rovers in Africa! Allen James yes I'm still lurking Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:33:29 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!! In a message dated Tue, 2 Oct 2001 9:10:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike Fanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact that 2:19:46 would be number 11 amongst American men this year is downright EMBARASSING!! Hey, Michelle Rohl is No. 6 among American men in the 20W. gh
