[Tagging] Ref tag
Hi! What value would you put into the ref tag if national and international reference differs? I seems to me that mostly the national ref is used, which also makes sense imo. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Hi! What value would you put into the ref tag if national and international reference differs? I seems to me that mostly the national ref is used, which also makes sense imo. +1, I'd put the national ref in ref and the international ref in int_ref. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
What about ref:DE= or ref:UK= for the national and just ref= for the international ID? best regards, Chaos 2012/6/19 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Hi! What value would you put into the ref tag if national and international reference differs? I seems to me that mostly the national ref is used, which also makes sense imo. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
The reason why I'm asking is the SS3bis/E45 in Italy: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22873607 It is the first road I've seen where the ref tag contains the international ref and not the national ref (besides int_ref and nat_ref). Martin 2012/6/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: +1, I'd put the national ref in ref and the international ref in int_ref. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: What about ref:DE= or ref:UK= for the national and just ref= for the international ID? I've never seen ref:DE or ref:UK or any ref:country code. For the national reference the tag nat_ref is usually used afaik. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
I think it would be better to have this information in the route=road-relation ;-) You have a relation for SS§ and a relation for E45...why you need the same information at the way? Henning ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: What about ref:DE= or ref:UK= for the national and just ref= for the international ID? This looks like an alternative, but it is not how it is actually done: there are 145428 int_ref 60611 nat_ref 12 ref:de 0 ref:DE also from a practical point of view (e.g. rendering) it would complicate things a lot if all national refs had different keys (due to country codes). Keep in mind that most roads don't have an international ref. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 aighes o...@aighes.de: I think it would be better to have this information in the route=road-relation ;-) You have a relation for SS§ and a relation for E45...why you need the same information at the way? Isn't this a different information? The ref in the relation is the reference of a specific route. The ref on the way is the (main) reference of the way. Am I wrong? Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
The ref tag on a road should indicate what is on the road signs, at least in principle. Even though in practice what you see on the road signs varies considerably from country to country and also inside the same country, I would consider putting the int_ref and the national ref on roads (or route relations) where they also appear on the road signs. In Europe these are the E routes. On 19 June 2012 11:23, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/6/19 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: What about ref:DE= or ref:UK= for the national and just ref= for the international ID? This looks like an alternative, but it is not how it is actually done: there are 145428 int_ref 60611 nat_ref 12 ref:de 0 ref:DE also from a practical point of view (e.g. rendering) it would complicate things a lot if all national refs had different keys (due to country codes). Keep in mind that most roads don't have an international ref. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
Strictly speaking the international E-numbers are routes, not roads. The European Route Network is overlaid on top of the national networks and doesn't bother about international boundaries. In Belgium however it is very common to use the E-route numbers on signs instead of any local A-number where a motorway is part of the ERN. In this case I would say that int_ref and ref should have the same value - ref should be used for what's on the signs. If the motorway has an underlying A-number (purely for administrative purposes) then this might fit in nat_ref. In the UK, the E-numbers are not signed at all, but there are ERN routes there. For example the E20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 which runs from Ireland to Russia. Colin On 19/06/2012 11:06, Martin Vonwald wrote: The reason why I'm asking is the SS3bis/E45 in Italy: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22873607 It is the first road I've seen where the ref tag contains the international ref and not the national ref (besides int_ref and nat_ref). Martin 2012/6/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: +1, I'd put the national ref in ref and the international ref in int_ref. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: there are 145428 int_ref 60611 nat_ref 12 ref:de 0 ref:DE Ok, you are right. I'm just wondering why the country classifier is used on so many other tags and not on this one. I don't think the classifier would make much sense in this case. You want to tag the national reference. In Austria this would be the austrian (and only austrian) reference, in Germany the german (and only german) reference, in the UK ... you got it. You wouldn't tag a ref:UK in France. I think this is the difference compared to tags like name. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
2012/6/19 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: I don't think the classifier would make much sense in this case. +1 You want to tag the national reference. In Austria this would be the austrian (and only austrian) reference, in Germany the german (and only german) reference, in the UK ... you got it. You wouldn't tag a ref:UK in France. I think this is the difference compared to tags like name. I think you are confusing name:de (name in German languare) with name:DE (name in Germany). Tags with country namespace are for instance: school:FR (for a schooltype according to the system in France, note that the school does not necessarily have to be in France, it should be a school type according to the system in France, but could also be a french school abroad). You could tag a ref:UK in France if the UK had their own system for these features outside the UK. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
There is no ferry between Kingston upon Hull and Esbjerg. An alternative ferry is available from Harwich (350 km/220 mi from Kingston upon Hull) to Esbjerg. A well thought out route? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 19/06/2012 11:46 Colin Smale wrote: Strictly speaking the international E-numbers are routes, not roads. The European Route Network is overlaid on top of the national networks and doesn't bother about international boundaries. In Belgium however it is very common to use the E-route numbers on signs instead of any local A-number where a motorway is part of the ERN. In this case I would say that int_ref and ref should have the same value - ref should be used for what's on the signs. If the motorway has an underlying A-number (purely for administrative purposes) then this might fit in nat_ref. In the UK, the E-numbers are not signed at all, but there are ERN routes there. For example the E20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 which runs from Ireland to Russia. Colin On 19/06/2012 11:06, Martin Vonwald wrote: The reason why I'm asking is the SS3bis/E45 in Italy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 It is the first road I've seen where the ref tag contains the international ref and not the national ref (besides int_ref and nat_ref). Martin 2012/6/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: +1, I'd put the national ref in ref and the international ref in int_ref. ___ Tagging mailing list dieterdre...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 ___ Tagging mailing list dieterdre...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
Up to the usual standards one has come to expect from these large international organisations, I would say. On 19/06/2012 13:20, Philip Barnes wrote: There is no ferry between Kingston upon Hull and Esbjerg. An alternative ferry is available from Harwich (350 km/220 mi from Kingston upon Hull) to Esbjerg. A well thought out route? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 19/06/2012 11:46 Colin Smale wrote: Strictly speaking the international E-numbers are routes, not roads. The European Route Network is overlaid on top of the national networks and doesn't bother about international boundaries. In Belgium however it is very common to use the E-route numbers on signs instead of any local A-number where a motorway is part of the ERN. In this case I would say that int_ref and ref should have the same value - ref should be used for what's on the signs. If the motorway has an underlying A-number (purely for administrative purposes) then this might fit in nat_ref. In the UK, the E-numbers are not signed at all, but there are ERN routes there. For example the E20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 which runs from Ireland to Russia. Colin On 19/06/2012 11:06, Martin Vonwald wrote: The reason why I'm asking is the SS3bis/E45 in Italy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 It is the first road I've seen where the ref tag contains the international ref and not the national ref (besides int_ref and nat_ref). Martin 2012/6/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com: +1, I'd put the national ref in ref and the international ref in int_ref. ___ Tagging mailing list dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 ___ Tagging mailing list dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E20 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ref tag
Am 19.06.2012 11:35, schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2012/6/19 aighes o...@aighes.de: I think it would be better to have this information in the route=road-relation ;-) You have a relation for SS§ and a relation for E45...why you need the same information at the way? Isn't this a different information? The ref in the relation is the reference of a specific route. The ref on the way is the (main) reference of the way. Am I wrong? I think it's the same information, because A1, SS3 or whatever are routes, containing ways and a way could contain many routes. Maybe there is a main-route, which you could tag in ref=*, but which route should it be? In some countries several routes are on the signs (international and national route). It's the same problem as we have with cycle-routes. Typical they are only exist as a route-relation. Henning ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
