Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

It was meant sarcastically.

On 5/29/2017 10:38 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> Snopes?  How would snopes know?  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:37 PM
> To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Darrell Bowles'
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
> 
> Has anyone checked Snopes for verification of these anecdotes?
> 
> On 5/29/2017 4:07 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
>> JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
>> favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more 
>> profit. The
>> venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the 
>> top of
>> their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. 
>> As an
>> example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was 
>> on the
>> list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
>> recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
>> and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor 
>> that
>> she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no 
>> point
>> in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, 
>> Ontario.
>> Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and 
>> that she
>> had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got 
>> Window-Eyes
>> with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
>> version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
>> version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only 
>> lasts 6
>> months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told 
>> by the
>> venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders 
>> favored JAWS
>> because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
>> Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
>> gbow...@msn.com]
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm UK Time
>>
>> Let's hear it, why is that?
>> And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole 
>> control+y to
>> go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
>> messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm UK Time
>>
>> I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
>> the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is 
>> not just
>> my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
>> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm UK Time
>>
>> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; 
>> however, I
>> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
>> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>>
>> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
>> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
>> it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
>> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than 
>> I at
>> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping 
>> hand with
>> smiles.
>>
>> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can 
>> understand
>> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be 
>> done, a
>> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
>> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>>
>> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for 
>> transitioning to
>> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
>> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't 
>> have
>> answers to particular questions, I'll go find 

Re: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Oops, replied to wrong msg. Last reply was meant for brian hartgen thread.
I have no issues donating to nv access. I just bought there basic training
audio tutorial a few weeks back actually.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 29, 2017 9:18 PM, "Reeva Webb"  wrote:

Like has already been said nothing is forever. The kindness of strangers
can only do so much. Who knows, third party windows screenreaders may not
exist in 5 years. As far as op business is business. Even if i was going to
jaws, i personally wouldn't spend the money but if you are making the
switch and think it will help, go ahead.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 29, 2017 8:37 PM, "Tom Kingston via Talk" 
wrote:

> This is the first I've heard of the "highly debated" topic of VFO
> acquiring NVDA. To me it sounds more like a blogger trying to get more hits
> on his site.
>
> NVDA has long had funding from government, corporate, and charitable
> foundations. But the more users donate the more progress will be made.
> Unfortunately I doubt that many who can well afford it give anything in
> this shameful me me me world of today.
>
> Just my politically incorrect two cents worth.
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/29/2017 12:35 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Russ.
>> Chris G.'s point is an excellent one, though, i.e., NVDA needs bucks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists.window-eye
>> s.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>>
>> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bhavya shah
>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
>> To: blindt...@groups.io
>> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>>
>> Dear all,
>> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
>> blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
>> inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
>> may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
>> new blog post.
>> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
>> will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
>> reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
>> screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
>> its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
>> absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
>> Post URL:
>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acqu
>> ire-nv-access/
>> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Snopes?  How would snopes know?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:37 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Darrell Bowles'
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
7pm UK Time


Has anyone checked Snopes for verification of these anecdotes?

On 5/29/2017 4:07 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. 
The

venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As 
an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on 
the

list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor 
that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no 
point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, 
Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that 
she

had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by 
the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored 
JAWS

because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
gbow...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y 
to

go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not 
just

my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand 
with

smiles.

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, 
a

download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning 
to

Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help 
with

Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Scott Wheat via Talk]

You are right Tom.
Mr. Hartgen has every right to charge for something he is spending time and 
effort on. And, of course, each person has the right to decide if it is worth 
the money or not. Some people such as myself are very comfortable learning JAWS 
on there own, but for those who want the extra training and are willing to pay 
for it, I say go for it!
Very few things in life worth having are free. The fact is that WindowEyes is a 
thing of the past and each person needs to make there own decision as to how 
best to move forward.

Scott


> On May 29, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. How 
> many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?
> 
> On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
>> 7pm UK Time
>> 
>> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
>> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
>> 7pm UK Time
>> 
>> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I 
>> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the 
>> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>> 
>> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
>> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for 
>> it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists 
>> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at 
>> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with 
>> smiles.
>> 
>> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
>> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
>> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it 
>> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>> 
>> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
>> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
>> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
>> answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
>> workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely 
>> to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with 
>> Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for 
>> transitioning!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>> 
>> 
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Re: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Like has already been said nothing is forever. The kindness of strangers
can only do so much. Who knows, third party windows screenreaders may not
exist in 5 years. As far as op business is business. Even if i was going to
jaws, i personally wouldn't spend the money but if you are making the
switch and think it will help, go ahead.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 29, 2017 8:37 PM, "Tom Kingston via Talk" 
wrote:

> This is the first I've heard of the "highly debated" topic of VFO
> acquiring NVDA. To me it sounds more like a blogger trying to get more hits
> on his site.
>
> NVDA has long had funding from government, corporate, and charitable
> foundations. But the more users donate the more progress will be made.
> Unfortunately I doubt that many who can well afford it give anything in
> this shameful me me me world of today.
>
> Just my politically incorrect two cents worth.
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/29/2017 12:35 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Russ.
>> Chris G.'s point is an excellent one, though, i.e., NVDA needs bucks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists.window-
>> eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>>
>> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bhavya shah
>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
>> To: blindt...@groups.io
>> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>>
>> Dear all,
>> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
>> blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
>> inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
>> may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
>> new blog post.
>> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
>> will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
>> reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
>> screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
>> its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
>> absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
>> Post URL:
>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-
>> acquire-nv-access/
>> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything. 
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?


On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I will 
say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the United 
States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it.  
Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists frequented 
by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at just about 
everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with smiles.

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it till 
I have learned enough to get stuff done.

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with Jaws. 
 Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

This is the first I've heard of the "highly debated" topic of VFO 
acquiring NVDA. To me it sounds more like a blogger trying to get more 
hits on his site.


NVDA has long had funding from government, corporate, and charitable 
foundations. But the more users donate the more progress will be made. 
Unfortunately I doubt that many who can well afford it give anything in 
this shameful me me me world of today.


Just my politically incorrect two cents worth.
Tom


On 5/29/2017 12:35 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Russ.
Chris G.'s point is an excellent one, though, i.e., NVDA needs bucks.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

-Original Message-
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
Post URL:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
Thanks.


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Re: Tutorial Question

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Raul,

While listening to your very useful tutorials, I noticed that when you 
are arrowing through the Desktop icons, the voice is announcing the 
index number of each icon.  e.g. 8 of 27


Where is the setting located so I can change Jaws to do the same on my 
system?

Thanks
Neville.


On 30/05/2017 4:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
Hi Ted and all, the link is http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ 
Once you go there, use the navigate by headings quick command, H, to 
reach the tutorials. These are free tutorials meant as quick migration 
steps with some of the basic differences between Window-Eyes and Jaws 
ways of doing things. I hope this helps.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
David Thornburg


On 5/29/2017 12:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it 
in the

myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and 
those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out 
which

one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

If there were no other options, maybe it would be a disgrace.

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> 
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
> UK Time
> 
> Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
> UK Time
> 
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I 
> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the 
> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
> 
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it. 
>  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists 
> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at 
> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with 
> smiles.
> 
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it 
> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
> 
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
> answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
> workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
> Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with 
> Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for 
> transitioning!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

If you are a true supporter of capitalism, then you don't necessarily in 
a silly catch phrase like "America first." Protectionism has no place in 
a truly free market.

That said, we don't have a vruly free market, and the reality is, if we 
did, we might not have many of the technological advances (geared toward 
the blind) we do have.

On 5/29/2017 3:45 PM, Mike Pietruk via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> Ditto to your comments.  That'swhat "free enterprise" is all about.
> NO one is forcing anyone to buy anything; and if you think you can do it
> better, go ahead and try.
> The more resources available the better.
> c
> Long live free enterprise, capitalism, and the traditional American way.
> 
>>From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
> President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17
> 
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Has anyone checked Snopes for verification of these anecdotes?

On 5/29/2017 4:07 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
> JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
> favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
> venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
> their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
> example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
> list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
> recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
> and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
> she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
> in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
> Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
> had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
> with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
> version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
> version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
> months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
> venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
> because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
> Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
> gbow...@msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm UK Time
> 
> Let's hear it, why is that?
> And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
> go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
> messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm UK Time
> 
> I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
> the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
> my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm UK Time
> 
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
> 
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
> it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
> smiles.
> 
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
> 
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
> answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
> workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
> to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
> Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
> transitioning!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
> 
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

I have to admit that while I've been connected with Rehab Services in 
several states. They have always pushed Jaws. I didn't learn much about WE 
until myself and a friend were building a website back in 2004. There were 
several things that I just could not do with Jaws, but he was able to do 
with WE. So I became a WE user in 2004 and haven't used Jaws again untill 
now.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:07 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
gbow...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  

RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top. 
gbow...@msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Tutorial Question

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Ditto to your comments.  That'swhat "free enterprise" is all about.
NO one is forcing anyone to buy anything; and if you think you can do it 
better, go ahead and try.
The more resources available the better.
c
Long live free enterprise, capitalism, and the traditional American way.  

>From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17


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Re: Tutorial Question

[Terry Chaney via Talk]

Once again, thanks for a great job.

Terry Chaney


On 5/29/2017 2:19 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
Hi Ted and all, the link is 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ Once you go there, use the 
navigate by headings quick command, H, to reach the tutorials. These 
are free tutorials meant as quick migration steps with some of the 
basic differences between Window-Eyes and Jaws ways of doing things. I 
hope this helps.


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On 5/29/2017 12:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it 
in the

myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and 
those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out 
which

one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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RE: Tutorial Question

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

What Brian is doing is part of our wonderful free interprise system.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:16 PM
To: 'Dave'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Tutorial Question

I agree it's reasonably priced.  He could charge $500 for it.  He's charging
$38 that's it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Tutorial Question

Hey, if Brian wants to create and sell a Jaws Tutorial, he should be allowed
to do it.  There is a Need, and Brian is only providing a solution for those
willing to pay for the Help.  

No one is forcing anyone to buy Brian's work.  If a person has no interest,
then do nothing.  Ignore Brian's Post, just as you ignore the many Ads that
are heard on Radio and TV.  

I am not sure why there is such outrage that someone would see a need and
then offer a paid solution for those who wish to pay.  

There are other sources of Jaws Help that are Free.  Everyone has choices.  

So why protest another' person's attempt to  make a little extra cash?
As I said, there are several Sources for Learning Jaws, some for Free. 
Others are sold for a Price.  

This attitude of everything should be Free to those who might need it,
is wrong thinking.To discourage and to Warn others from buying
Brian's Jaws Tutorials is the Real Wrong.It is You who should be
Ashamed.  

This is just more "Entitlement" thinking. An I would guess you have
no idea what is meant by "Entitlement Thinking".   This too is something
for which to be Ashamed.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: Tutorial Question

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree it's reasonably priced.  He could charge $500 for it.  He's charging
$38 that's it.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Tutorial Question

Hey, if Brian wants to create and sell a Jaws Tutorial, he should be allowed
to do it.  There is a Need, and Brian is only providing a solution for those
willing to pay for the Help.  

No one is forcing anyone to buy Brian's work.  If a person has no interest,
then do nothing.  Ignore Brian's Post, just as you ignore the many Ads that
are heard on Radio and TV.  

I am not sure why there is such outrage that someone would see a need and
then offer a paid solution for those who wish to pay.  

There are other sources of Jaws Help that are Free.  Everyone has choices.  

So why protest another' person's attempt to  make a little extra cash?
As I said, there are several Sources for Learning Jaws, some for Free. 
Others are sold for a Price.  

This attitude of everything should be Free to those who might need it,
is wrong thinking.To discourage and to Warn others from buying
Brian's Jaws Tutorials is the Real Wrong.It is You who should be
Ashamed.  

This is just more "Entitlement" thinking. An I would guess you have
no idea what is meant by "Entitlement Thinking".   This too is something
for which to be Ashamed.  


Grumpy Dave


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Re: Tutorial Question

[Chris G via Talk]

Thank you for this.  I was writing somehing but you said it better.

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On Mon, 29 May 2017 11:56:34 -0700
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hey, if Brian wants to create and sell a Jaws Tutorial, he should be
> allowed to do it.  There is a Need, and Brian is only providing a
> solution for those willing to pay for the Help.  
> 
> No one is forcing anyone to buy Brian's work.  If a person has no
> interest, then do nothing.  Ignore Brian's Post, just as you ignore the
> many Ads that are heard on Radio and TV.  
> 
> I am not sure why there is such outrage that someone would see a need
> and then offer a paid solution for those who wish to pay.  
> 
> There are other sources of Jaws Help that are Free.  Everyone has
> choices.  
> 
> So why protest another' person's attempt to  make a little extra cash?
> As I said, there are several Sources for Learning Jaws, some for Free. 
> Others are sold for a Price.  
> 
> This attitude of everything should be Free to those who might need it,
> is wrong thinking.To discourage and to Warn others from buying
> Brian's Jaws Tutorials is the Real Wrong.It is You who should be
> Ashamed.  
> 
> This is just more "Entitlement" thinking. An I would guess you have
> no idea what is meant by "Entitlement Thinking".   This too is something
> for which to be Ashamed.  
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Dave via Talk]

Hey, if Brian wants to create and sell a Jaws Tutorial, he should be
allowed to do it.  There is a Need, and Brian is only providing a
solution for those willing to pay for the Help.  

No one is forcing anyone to buy Brian's work.  If a person has no
interest, then do nothing.  Ignore Brian's Post, just as you ignore the
many Ads that are heard on Radio and TV.  

I am not sure why there is such outrage that someone would see a need
and then offer a paid solution for those who wish to pay.  

There are other sources of Jaws Help that are Free.  Everyone has
choices.  

So why protest another' person's attempt to  make a little extra cash?
As I said, there are several Sources for Learning Jaws, some for Free. 
Others are sold for a Price.  

This attitude of everything should be Free to those who might need it,
is wrong thinking.To discourage and to Warn others from buying
Brian's Jaws Tutorials is the Real Wrong.It is You who should be
Ashamed.  

This is just more "Entitlement" thinking. An I would guess you have
no idea what is meant by "Entitlement Thinking".   This too is something
for which to be Ashamed.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: Tutorial Question

[Dennis Long via Talk]

If VFO pays him for doing them I'm sure there will be more.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:34 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Tutorial Question

Hi Raul,

The tutorials have been very helpful.  Thanks for doing them.  Will there be 
more, I hope?

Dave


At 11:19 AM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
>Hi Ted and all, the link is
>http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ Once you go there, use the 
>navigate by headings quick command, H, to reach the tutorials. These 
>are free tutorials meant as quick migration steps with some of the 
>basic differences between Window-Eyes and Jaws ways of doing things. I 
>hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA 
>Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 
>Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work
>Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any 
>teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
>David Thornburg On 5/29/2017 12:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote: > 
>First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in 
>the > myriads of postings. > > Second, What are the differences between 
>Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those > mentioned in the end of life 
>announcement?  I am trying to figure out which > one to start out with.  
>Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson > > 
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello Dave, I don't know if there will be more. If you or anyone else 
have other categories or topics in mind regarding the migration, I 
suggest contacting VFO Group support, or maybe post it here and I'm sure 
that someone like Doug Geoffray and/or Aaron Smith will see that and 
relay it accordingly. It's not up to me. *smile*,.



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On 5/29/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Basden wrote:

Hi Raul,

The tutorials have been very helpful.  Thanks for doing them.  Will 
there be more, I hope?


Dave


At 11:19 AM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ted and all, the link is 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ Once you go there, use the 
navigate by headings quick command, H, to reach the tutorials. These 
are free tutorials meant as quick migration steps with some of the 
basic differences between Window-Eyes and Jaws ways of doing things. I 
hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - 
RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com 
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/29/2017 
12:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote: > First, what is the link to Raul 
Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the > myriads of postings. > > 
Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and 
those > mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to 
figure out which > one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted 
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Hi Raul,

The tutorials have been very helpful.  Thanks for 
doing them.  Will there be more, I hope?


Dave


At 11:19 AM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
Hi Ted and all, the link is 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ Once 
you go there, use the navigate by headings quick 
command, H, to reach the tutorials. These are 
free tutorials meant as quick migration steps 
with some of the basic differences between 
Window-Eyes and Jaws ways of doing things. I 
hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive 
Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice 
and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work 
Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and 
@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg On 5/29/2017 12:19 PM, Ted Larson via 
Talk wrote: > First, what is the link to Raul 
Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the > 
myriads of postings. > > Second, What are the 
differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and 
those > mentioned in the end of life 
announcement?  I am trying to figure out which > 
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted 
Larson > > 
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Re: End of Life Message

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello Pam, I disagree. Remember, not all Window-Eyes users are 
subscribed here or to the various news and announcement lists. So, if 
they didn't do that as you suggest, how would those users know that 
Window-Eyes will no longer be updated? I know it must feel like a slap 
in the face each time you see that message, but trust me, this is to 
reach those people who don't get the announcements in other ways.


I hope this helps clear it up.


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On 5/25/2017 4:53 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Yesterday, the window eyes thing came on that tells you there are new 
aps to download.  It surprised me.  After I told it to download, I got 
that message.  So, I guess they sent an ap with that.  They really 
didn't need to do that!  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

How are people getting this end of life message to come up?

On 5/25/2017 4:10 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
You would be smart to learn Jaws or brush up on it so when you need it 
isn't

as frustrating just my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:03 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

Hi.
remember, no one is saying you have to stop using Window-eyes.  If it 
works,
keep right on using it as long as you can!  I also have JAWS once 
again on
this machine but very rarely do I ever use it. it's there if I ever 
need it.

Window-eyes is going to be my primary screenreader until it doesn't work
anymore.




On 5/25/2017 11:48 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hello List,

I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost
died due to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes
End of Life Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just
said window-eyes Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less
ominous.

Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes
still works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I
just can't bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs
like Vipre and Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which
makes it work in safe mode and Jaws doesn't.

Brenda
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi Ted and all, the link is http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/ 
Once you go there, use the navigate by headings quick command, H, to 
reach the tutorials. These are free tutorials meant as quick migration 
steps with some of the basic differences between Window-Eyes and Jaws 
ways of doing things. I hope this helps.


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On 5/29/2017 12:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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jaws settings

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

Is there a way to move jaws settings to another instalation of jaws?
I was hoping for something like the default folder in window-eyes which can be 
copied to another instalation of jaws.  I looked in the users section under 
freedomscientific/jaws but even after making changes to my settings, the 
personal settings folder seems to be empty.
any help appreciated!

Jeff Weiss

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RE: Tutorial Question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi again:

Since you are coming from Window-Eyes, I would start with Raul’s tutorials on 
the page I gave you.

It’ll get you through the major things you do.

Here’s a list of the topics covered:

• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Audio]
• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Transcript]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Audio]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Transcript]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Audio]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Transcript]
• Outlook Tutorial [Audio]
• Outlook Tutorial [Transcript] 
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Audio]
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Transcript]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Audio]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Transcript]

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:19 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: Tutorial Question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Short answer is that Raul's tutorials come from the perspective of a 
Window-Eyes user where Jaws tutorials give the impression that you might 
be a beginning non-screen reader user.



On 5/29/2017 1:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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RE: Tutorial Question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Ted:

They are one in the same.

Here is a link to where you’ll find them:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate

Hit H for headings until you come to the heading that says, “Tutorials/Podcast” 
and you’ll find them there.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:19 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
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RE: Tutorial Question

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I don't know because I haven't listened  to the end of life announcement, but 
please for the love of all that is good, do not, I repeat do not by Bryan's 
course!
 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:20 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those 
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which one 
to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Tutorial Question

[Ted Larson via Talk]

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

It saves to rtf and txt, so I would imagine it would be the same types.

Carol


On 5/29/2017 9:40 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

What files will hj pad open?

-Original Message- From: David Moore via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:18 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Hi,
HJ Pad is a lot like Wordpad, but it has classical menus instead of 
ribbons.
The spell checker by just pressing F7 works very well, just like in MS 
word earlier versions.

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Easy and convenient.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:53 PM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or 
Wordpad

you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so! Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's 
search

engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I'm not David, but I just checked and the default is your documents 
folder.  You can change it, but it didn't make my change permanent.  In 
other words, it saved where I asked, but when I opened it again, it 
would have saved in my documents.  I will look to see if there is a way 
to make the change permanent.  I prefer another folder.


Carol


On 5/29/2017 9:35 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
David, when you save  the file using HJ pad, does it go into the doc 
folder?


On 5/28/2017 8:18 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi,
HJ Pad is a lot like Wordpad, but it has classical menus instead of 
ribbons.
The spell checker by just pressing F7 works very well, just like in 
MS word earlier versions.

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Easy and convenient.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:53 PM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or 
Wordpad

you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so! Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's 
search

engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Zoomtext fusion (we version) acting strangely.

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Ok, it's been a week or two since i've turned on my laptop. Had to do
business on laptop a hour or so ago. Turns on laptop and has updates from
app central, ok installs updates. All of a sudden i hear we start up sound
and any time i do anything speech is talking random letters and numbers at
me. Shuts down zt fusion and restarts computer. After restart, hears we
start up sound again but i have enough vision to tell the zt fusion graphic
is on screen still. Graphic goes away and now all my settings for
magnification and the we based screenreading side are back at default. Um,
wtf is going on? Did the update for the windows enhance app do this? I was
expecting end of life msg. but not for everything to be reset. Using hp
laptop running windows 8.1 64 bit.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva
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RE: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Exactly without that it won't last.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Thanks, Russ.
Chris G.'s point is an excellent one, though, i.e., NVDA needs bucks.

Best,

Rod

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Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?’
Post URL: 
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Reg Webb via Talk]

It's Control+x to cut to clipboard.  The file won't move until you paste
it.
If you don't want deleted files in the recycle bin, hit shift+delete and
they're permanently gone.

-- 
Reg


On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:44:28 -0500
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> I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight the 
> file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press CONTROL+C to 
> copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the directory in which I 
> wish to place the file or files. I then paste them there with CONTROL+V. 
> Next, I go back to the directory where the original file is and delete it. 
> This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there is a way to actually move 
> a file, but at least this way, I am assured that my file is not lost or 
> destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to worse, I can restore 
> the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am totally satisfied, I 
> empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows keystroke that should 
> work with any screen reader.
> 
> -Original Message- From: mcleod stinnett via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
> To: talk
> Subject: how do you move a file with w/e
> 
> I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
> move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
> that with latest w/e, thanks
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I will 
say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the United 
States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it.  
Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists frequented 
by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at just about 
everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it till 
I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with Jaws. 
 Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Russ.
Chris G.'s point is an excellent one, though, i.e., NVDA needs bucks.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

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From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
Post URL: 
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UKTime

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hmmm.  JAWS is telling me my balance is minus 18.50 .  I’ll try it with 
WE and see if it’s still negative.

Just kidding—I hope.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UKTime

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to go 
to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014 
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know the 
whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just my 
opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I will 
say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the United 
States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it.  
Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists frequented 
by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at just about 
everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it till 
I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with Jaws. 
 Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Is the price lower than you expected?

Just kidding.

While I am curious to hear Mr. Hartgen’s approach, my curiosity isn’t enough 
for me to plop down $38.50 or whatever the exchange rate is—I’m still coming up 
with the money I hope to have to migrate to JAWS in the first place, and that 
isn’t a done deal yet.

Not to mention I get all the use I need out of Window-Eyes, and JAWS that I 
need right now.  I’m pretty much self-taught.  I’ve never paid for computer 
instruction.  I’ve even helped one or two sighted people out of jams.

No, I don’t think I know it all.  I can always learn something new—that’s why I 
like lists like this one.

I, also applaud Raul’s work in helping folks transition.

I even think the folks at VFO are trying to put as good a spin on it as they 
can.  The lady I spoke to at VFO was quite nice, and they seem willing to work 
with us on our problems.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm UK 
Time

The cost of the course is a surprise. 
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Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

In window eyes, you don't have to hear that letter b, either.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:50 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List

Subject: Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?


I like using NVDA in win amp. When your playing music and hit B to play
the next song, you don't hear the letter B blast through your speaker.
So far I find that Jaws sucks in Thunderbird! Window eyes isn't much
better as it usually repeats lines already read. But at least it lets
you know where in the message count your at. NVDA works okay in TB.
On 5/29/2017 6:59 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.


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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

-Original Message-
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all 
the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I 
explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will 
the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, 
after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, 
venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open 
source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as 
far as Windows screen readers go?’

Post URL:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
Thanks.

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Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	I like using NVDA in win amp. When your playing music and hit B to play 
the next song, you don't hear the letter B blast through your speaker. 
So far I find that Jaws sucks in Thunderbird! Window eyes isn't much 
better as it usually repeats lines already read. But at least it lets 
you know where in the message count your at. NVDA works okay in TB.

On 5/29/2017 6:59 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

-Original Message-
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?’
Post URL:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
Thanks.

--
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Bhavya Shah

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to go 
to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014 
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

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Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know the 
whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just my 
opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
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Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I will 
say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the United 
States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it.  
Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists frequented 
by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at just about 
everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it till 
I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with Jaws. 
 Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight 
the file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press 
CONTROL+C to copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the 
directory in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them 
there with CONTROL+V. Next, I go back to the directory where the original 
file is and delete it. This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there 
is a way to actually move a file, but at least this way, I am assured that 
my file is not lost or destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to 
worse, I can restore the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am 
totally satisfied, I empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows 
keystroke that should work with any screen reader.


-Original Message- 
From: mcleod stinnett via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
To: talk
Subject: how do you move a file with w/e

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Wow!  I wish I had dived more in to basic actually.
73
Darrell Bowles
KI4AUY

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: Re: How to learn to use n v d a

I agree and the same here.  It always cracks me up, so many blind people think 
their way is the only way.  If you aren't doing what I'm doing you are notat as 
"smart"  I don't even have windows ten.  I'm sure some how inferior.  I still 
have and enjoy my dos computers and I still prgram in gw basic and love every 
minute of it.  I've been doing this stuff since 1983, so I think I can make a 
decision on whether or not I want to run jaws.  Note, this decision is good for 
me, ot necessarily any one else.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Mon, 29 May 2017, Ivan Cribb via Talk wrote:

> I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to 
> resort to another screen reader I want one that does not belong to 
> VFO. NVDA seems the obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use 
> it..
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Ivan Cribbb
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Re: How to learn to use n v d a

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I agree and the same here.  It always cracks me up, so many blind people 
think their way is the only way.  If you aren't doing what I'm doing you 
are notat as "smart"  I don't even have windows ten.  I'm sure some how 
inferior.  I still have and enjoy my dos computers and I still prgram in 
gw basic and love every minute of it.  I've been doing this stuff since 
1983, so I think I can make a decision on whether or not I want to run 
jaws.  Note, this decision is good for me, ot necessarily any one else.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Have you tried your beloved JAWS with Microsoft edge? And, I can tell you that 
NVDA works very well with it. Also, has anyone tried and seriously played with 
Narrator in windows 10? While far from perfect, I've tested it on some complex 
websites, and it works quite well, though there are some features missing.  
Also, narrator works with braille. Part of your problem with internet explorer 
may just be internet explorer. I can't tell you the number of times that IE 
wants to lock up just because it's  that outdated and messed up.
Thanks,
Darrell

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:37 AM
To: 'Chris G' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I agree.  One reason it is not as good there aren't nearly the number of 
add-ons it has trouble with internet explorer  when set to a specific home 
page.  Do I hope it becomes  a viable solution yes are we there currently no.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

One thing to keep in mind, if users and agencies don't donate to NVDA and can 
go away just like Window-eyes.

Nothing is for sure accept death and taxes.

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Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

> All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
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> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
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> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
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> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
> 
> Dear all,
> 'Will VFO Acquire NVDA?' has been a highly debated topic in the 
> blindness
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
> 'Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form - 
> will
the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared's Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?'
> Post URL: 
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RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.  One reason it is not as good there aren't nearly the number of
add-ons it has trouble with internet explorer  when set to a specific home
page.  Do I hope it becomes  a viable solution yes are we there currently
no.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

One thing to keep in mind, if users and agencies don't donate to NVDA and
can go away just like Window-eyes.

Nothing is for sure accept death and taxes.

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On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:59:29 +
Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

> All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
> 
> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: blindt...@groups.io
> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
> 
> Dear all,
> 'Will VFO Acquire NVDA?' has been a highly debated topic in the blindness
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore
all the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
> 'Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form - will
the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader,
after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared's Window Eyes screen reader,
venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open
source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far
as Windows screen readers go?'
> Post URL: 
> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-acc
> ess/ Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> 
> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
> Thanks.
> 
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> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> 
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> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> 
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Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Chris G via Talk]

One thing to keep in mind, if users and agencies don't donate to NVDA
and can go away just like Window-eyes.

Nothing is for sure accept death and taxes.

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On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:59:29 +
Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

> All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
> 
> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: blindt...@groups.io
> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
> 
> Dear all,
> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
> community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
> cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
> the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
> VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
> phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture 
> out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA 
> screen reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows 
> screen readers go?’
> Post URL: 
> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> 
> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> 
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> 
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RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

NVDA will never be as good as Jaws.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

-Original Message-
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?’
Post URL: 
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
Thanks.

--
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RE: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.


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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

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From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?’
Post URL: 
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
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Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

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From: Bhavya shah

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
To: blindt...@groups.io
Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
Post URL: 
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/

Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

What files will hj pad open?

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From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:18 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Hi,
HJ Pad is a lot like Wordpad, but it has classical menus instead of ribbons.
The spell checker by just pressing F7 works very well, just like in MS word 
earlier versions.

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Easy and convenient.

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:53 PM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

David, when you save  the file using HJ pad, does it go into the doc folder?

On 5/28/2017 8:18 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi,
HJ Pad is a lot like Wordpad, but it has classical menus instead of ribbons.
The spell checker by just pressing F7 works very well, just like in MS word 
earlier versions.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
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To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Easy and convenient.

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:53 PM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: move to jaws

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I agree with Tom, window eyes works much better with wlm2012.  Jaws doesn’t 
say things like read, replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing up and down 
the wlm message list.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:20 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: move to jaws

Jaws has scripts for winamp.  You would be smart to learn Jaws.  Window-eyes
will not always work properly.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:19 PM
To: Butch Bussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

No WindowEyes is not a disease we must get rid of. I will keep both screen
readers as long as I can. Window-Eyes works much better with Winamp and
Windows Live Mail. Additionally with JAWS, I could not copy text from the
internet into Windows Explorer to name a file or folder. I can do so with
Window-Eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:25 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: move to jaws

Window-eyes isn't some disease we all have to get rid of.  I plan to use it
for as much as I can for as long as it works.  If necessary, I'll switch to
nvda.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 28 May 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:


I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since
getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.
For me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to
use NVDA as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things
come up that NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Did the instructions that I gave you work?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 9:20 AM, brice Mijares via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, a simple editer is all it is. Like I said, all I was trying to  do was 
> follow along with the learning material and  the instruction given to open 
> hjpad didn't work.
>> On 5/28/2017 6:52 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
>> Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
>> you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
>> with it and enjoy the new treat!
>> Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
>> Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
>> engine; so, why the duplicity?
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
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Re: Is it possible?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I press insert+control+f4 to shutdown window eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:05 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

all you have to do is press control backslash then alt f4.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

The Easist way to close Window Eyes is to Press CTRL-Backslash which
brings up the Control Pannel.  Press Alt-F to bring up the File Menu.
Then up arrow twice to get to  Exit Window Eyes, and Press the Enter Key.

Then Press the Enter Key once more to go with the OK Button.


Grumpy Dave


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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, a simple editer is all it is. Like I said, all I was trying to  do 
was follow along with the learning material and  the instruction given 
to open hjpad didn't work.

On 5/28/2017 6:52 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

The cost of the course is a surprise.
If I say anything more, I may hurt myself.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi list:
> 
> Any of you seen this?
> 
> I won’t comment either way on it, just forwarding it.
> 
> 
> New Training Course. Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS!
> 
> Introduction.
> 
> It's no secret that sales of the Window-Eyes screen-reader have ended. The 
> owning company VFO are offering JAWS for Windows as a replacement for 
> Window-Eyes users. But how do you get started with JAWS? How easy is it to 
> transition from one screen-reader to another? How do you accomplish some of 
> the most basic tasks you would want to do with your screen-reader?
> All these questions and more will be answered in our training course, Over 
> Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS. 
> During the session, lasting approximately 90 minutes, Brian Hartgen will show 
> you the basics of how to use JAWS for windows and give you plenty of useful 
> tips and tricks along the way. Best of all, you'll be able to keep a 
> recording of the Webinar and get a text document containing keystrokes and a 
> summary of essential points for later reference. The Webinar will also give 
> you plenty of opportunity to ask questions.
> 
> Brian Hartgen has been using JAWS for over 20 years. He is also a beta tester 
> for JAWS, MAGic and ZoomText Fusion, has completed the advanced JAWS 
> scripting course at VFO's Headquarters in florida and has completed JAWS 
> certification in 2017. So not only is his knowledge of JAWS as current as it 
> can be, but he came to the JAWS screen-reader from a Window-Eyes background.
> 
> The course will be delivered online via our accessible Talking Communities 
> server. If you have not used this conferencing software before, you will 
> receive instructions prior to the commencement of the course. This software 
> allows for the delivery of the presentation, including the output from the 
> screen-reading software in high quality audio.
> 
> What Will I Learn?
> 
> The cool thing about courses from Hartgen Consultancy is that to some extent 
> they are tailored to the user's requirements. So topics can be quickly worked 
> through if you ask. However, you will learn:
> • How to use the JAWS Startup Wizard.
> • Adjusting the rate of speech and typing echo.
> • Getting help.
> • Keystrokes to get information quickly.
> • Reading documents.
> • Useful JAWS features in Microsoft word.
> • The basics of browsing the internet.
> • How to get more help.
> 
> Costing.
> 
> The Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS course is priced £30 which 
> is currently $38. It will be held on Thursday 1 June at 7 PM UK time which is 
> 2 PM US Eastern.
> If you cannot make this date, don't worry, you can still obtain the archive 
> shortly after the event.
> Payment should reach us by the morning of Thursday 1 June.
> Purchase Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS Online.
> Alternatively, anyone who would like to take part in the course should 
> register their interest by sending an Email to j...@hartgen.org, whereupon a 
> fully accessible electronic invoice will be sent to you which can be paid 
> through PayPal or any major credit or debit card. Orders can also be placed 
> by telephone:
> • Call us (from within the UK): 02920-850298.
> • Call us (from the United States): 415-871-0626.
> • Call us (from any other country): (+44)2920-850298.
> If you would like to read the views from participants of our previous 
> courses, please Visit our Training area.
> The Talking Communities chat room and recording of the Webinar, made 
> available after the event, can be accessed through a secure area of our 
> website which is only available to course participants.
> 
> Summary.
> 
> For some people, it can be hard to move from one screen-reader to another, 
> particularly if you've been using Window-Eyes for very many years. But here 
> is a chance to get your skills to a point where you can work with JAWS 
> effectively, and use that knowledge to learn more as you go. Join us to find 
> out what JAWS can do for you! 
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FW: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm UK Time

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi list:

Any of you seen this?

I won’t comment either way on it, just forwarding it.


New Training Course. Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS!

Introduction.

It's no secret that sales of the Window-Eyes screen-reader have ended. The 
owning company VFO are offering JAWS for Windows as a replacement for 
Window-Eyes users. But how do you get started with JAWS? How easy is it to 
transition from one screen-reader to another? How do you accomplish some of the 
most basic tasks you would want to do with your screen-reader?
All these questions and more will be answered in our training course, Over 
Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS. 
During the session, lasting approximately 90 minutes, Brian Hartgen will show 
you the basics of how to use JAWS for windows and give you plenty of useful 
tips and tricks along the way. Best of all, you'll be able to keep a recording 
of the Webinar and get a text document containing keystrokes and a summary of 
essential points for later reference. The Webinar will also give you plenty of 
opportunity to ask questions.

Brian Hartgen has been using JAWS for over 20 years. He is also a beta tester 
for JAWS, MAGic and ZoomText Fusion, has completed the advanced JAWS scripting 
course at VFO's Headquarters in florida and has completed JAWS certification in 
2017. So not only is his knowledge of JAWS as current as it can be, but he came 
to the JAWS screen-reader from a Window-Eyes background.

The course will be delivered online via our accessible Talking Communities 
server. If you have not used this conferencing software before, you will 
receive instructions prior to the commencement of the course. This software 
allows for the delivery of the presentation, including the output from the 
screen-reading software in high quality audio.

What Will I Learn?

The cool thing about courses from Hartgen Consultancy is that to some extent 
they are tailored to the user's requirements. So topics can be quickly worked 
through if you ask. However, you will learn:
• How to use the JAWS Startup Wizard.
• Adjusting the rate of speech and typing echo.
• Getting help.
• Keystrokes to get information quickly.
• Reading documents.
• Useful JAWS features in Microsoft word.
• The basics of browsing the internet.
• How to get more help.

Costing.

The Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS course is priced £30 which 
is currently $38. It will be held on Thursday 1 June at 7 PM UK time which is 2 
PM US Eastern.
If you cannot make this date, don't worry, you can still obtain the archive 
shortly after the event.
Payment should reach us by the morning of Thursday 1 June.
Purchase Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS Online.
Alternatively, anyone who would like to take part in the course should register 
their interest by sending an Email to j...@hartgen.org, whereupon a fully 
accessible electronic invoice will be sent to you which can be paid through 
PayPal or any major credit or debit card. Orders can also be placed by 
telephone:
• Call us (from within the UK): 02920-850298.
• Call us (from the United States): 415-871-0626.
• Call us (from any other country): (+44)2920-850298.
If you would like to read the views from participants of our previous courses, 
please Visit our Training area.
The Talking Communities chat room and recording of the Webinar, made available 
after the event, can be accessed through a secure area of our website which is 
only available to course participants.

Summary.

For some people, it can be hard to move from one screen-reader to another, 
particularly if you've been using Window-Eyes for very many years. But here is 
a chance to get your skills to a point where you can work with JAWS 
effectively, and use that knowledge to learn more as you go. Join us to find 
out what JAWS can do for you! 
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Re: move to jaws

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

As of now, window eyes will be my main screen reader for wlm 2012.  It works 
nuch better than jaws and nvda with wlm2012.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: move to jaws

I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since
getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.  For
me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to use NVDA
as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things come up that
NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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Re: End of Life Message

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just wished the tripletalk driver  for nvda would support indexing.  I'm 
hoping someone will create a keyboard layout for nnvda like the window eyes 
keyboard layout.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:35 AM
To: 'nick danger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Hello Nick.  I am totally behind you on supporting NVDA, and. I just
switched to NVDA from Window-Eyes a couple weeks ago, and it's a fantastic
product!  Like Window-Eyes and JAWS, NVDA now has a certification program so
when can become certified in it and become an NVDA trainer and I hope many
Window-Eyes users who choose to do so will take up this opportunity in
becoming NVDA certified.  I know I am going to be. NVDA has a whole lot of
potential.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of nick danger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:42 AM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Hi,

Oh my goodness Roflol, lmao!  This has got to be one of the greatest wakeup
messages I've ever seen!  Hilarious! I haven't written in quite some time
primarily because when freedom scientific purchased AI squared, I could see
the writing on the wall.  I certainly will miss working with window eyes and
will probably still love it because it gave me something no screen reader
ever did, a career.

In July of last year I started working with NVDA and am contributing as much
of my window eyes knowledge to new users that are making the transition from
Window Eyes to NVDA. I personally would like to invite anyone in this
community to join me and my friends of the NVDA community and help us with
our mission to be the best screen reader not just for a few of us but all of
us users of adaptive technology. Another one of my colleagues has put it
best.  His post follows my signature.
Tony

Many of you may have heard about the end of sales for Window-Eyes screen
reader. In the early 2000's, Window-Eyes was considered a good alternative
to JAWS for Windows when it came to using Microsoft Windows with screen
readers. With the acquisition of GW Micro by AI Squared, which in turn was
acquired by VFO last year, many analysts predicted the end of life for this
screen reader, which occurred on May 15, 2017.
This news has huge implications for the global NVDA community, as well as
opening opportunities for us. As many Window-Eyes users are eligible to
upgrade to JAWS 18, some would choose to switch to NVDA. At the moment
several individuals are producing tutorials aimed at helping Window-Eyes
users transition to NVDA with ease. But users aren't the only members of the
Window-Eyes community: with the end of sales for Window-Eyes, many scripts
(or apps) for Window-Eyes became unsupported, and it won't be matter of time
before they become part of history.
In hopes of inviting Window-Eyes users and developers to join the NVDA
ecosystem (provided they are willing), I'd like to propose a community-wide
initiative under the umbrella of Project Contact Lenses. Although this
project may take different forms, the overall aim is to educate Window-Eyes
community that NVDA is a viable option for many people, and a chance for
writers of Window-Eyes apps to port their code to the add-ons
infrastructure. Other activities may include equipping some Window-Eyes app
developers to contribute code to NVDA Core, producing promotional materials,
organizing online seminars and so on. Although the bulk of this project is
aimed at Window-Eyes users, the ultimate goal is to embrace users of other
screen readers to taste NVDA.
Some of the activities I plan to do include:
. An online seminar or an intensive lab on creating add-ons and/or getting
started with contributing code to NVDA Core.
. Talking to Window-Eyes app writers about possibility of open-sourcing
their code and helping them port apps to the add-ons infrastructure.
Some of the things the global community can do include:
. Producing transition materials.
. Contacting Window-Eyes distributors in your local community and inviting
them to try NVDA.
. Contacting script writers regarding apps and proposing add-ons.
. Holding seminars aimed at users of other screen readers 9mostly
Window-Eyes users) on how to master various NVDA concepts such as object
navigation, browse mode and others.
As for the duration of this initiative, I don't know, but I expect this to
be at least several months or more.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph



To love someone deeply
Gives you strength.
Being loved by someone deeply
Gives you courage.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+danger567=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:23 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I 

Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Carol, I tried that and the search results only listed the MP3 with the 
learning material, plus the web results. Using windows ten.


On 5/28/2017 6:58 PM, Carol and Roger wrote:
The easiest way, for me, using Windows 7, is press the Windows Key) and 
type hjPad in the search box.  Down arrow once and you should hear run 
hjPad.  If you do not, up arrow once and see if it shows up.  Press 
enter and the program will open.


Carol




On 5/28/2017 8:25 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
I was listening to one of the jaws learning moduals in MP3 on my 
digital player trying to follow along. Well it came to this hj pad 
that's suppose to be included in Jaws according to the MP3 I'm 
listening to. Has any one came across this HJ pad? I could not locate 
it. Thanks for any info.

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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

This is a Windows command, so instructions will work with any screen reader:

place your cursor on the file you want to move anc press control plus x 
to cut the file from its current list

move to the place you wan the file and press control plus v to paste it.


If you are not sure, you can always use control-c to copy the file 
instread of control-x and once the file is verified that you have moved 
it, go back to the original folder and delete the original. There is no 
need to have two copies on your drive.



On 5/29/2017 7:25 AM, mcleod stinnett via Talk wrote:

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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how do you move a file with w/e

[mcleod stinnett via Talk]

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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Re: Is it possible?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

If you were on the window eyes window, you would have been asked if you 
wanted to shut down window eyes when you hit alt f4.  Otherwise, it would be 
insert control f4.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'net bat'
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

Not to get into a nit picky argument, but some here say control f4, and
others say control insert f4.  Why? That said, I just tried alt f4 and I
got the promp to shut down WE.

On 5/28/2017 9:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
Control-Insert-F4 is the quickest way to SHUT DOWN Window-Eyes!  However, 
if
these three keystrokes are tough to negotiate, you can change it to 
whatever

works better for you.  I did that and I only use two keystrokes.  I also
changed the Read-To-End keystroke because it conflicts with Outlook 
Express
which I still use in my Windows XP Professional box.  Now, I press only 
ONE

keystroke for Read-To-End.

Sometimes, I wish I were a programmer; I got too dumb to learn before time
slipped away,  at myself!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Is it possible?

[net bat via Talk]

it works better with a batch file because when w e crashas these keys will not 
work.

otherwise i just open the w e control panel and use alt f4 to close it.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:56 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

That's more steps than necessary.  You can do insert control f4.  Then
enter.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 4:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

The Easist way to close Window Eyes is to Press CTRL-Backslash which
brings up the Control Pannel.  Press Alt-F to bring up the File Menu.
Then up arrow twice to get to  Exit Window Eyes, and Press the Enter Key.

Then Press the Enter Key once more to go with the OK Button.


Grumpy Dave


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