Re: Jaws discussion list?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Thanks for the info Dennis and Ashley.  I havve subscribe to the 
groups.io list, but I haven't heard back yet.



Thanks again!

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On 10/21/2018 3:24 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Yes subscribe by sending an email to this address.
jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io

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On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:21 PM
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Subject: Jaws discussion list?

Is there a Jaws discussion list like this list for Window-Eyes?

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Jaws discussion list?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Is there a Jaws discussion list like this list for Window-Eyes?

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Re: How do I change the reading of progress bars?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Rod,


Thanks very much!  I forgot that the progress indicator was an app

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On 6/30/2018 11:23 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bob,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, open the Apps menu with Alt-A, and arrow down 
to Progress Indicator.
Open this and choose Options.
This displays a dialog where you can choose your preferences.
Also, the hot key for reading the current level of the displayed progress bar 
is Ctrl-Insert-B.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Subject: How do I change the reading of progress bars?

I know that I've done this before, but I can't find it in the settings.
Where do I find the progress bar settings for Window-Eyes?



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How do I change the reading of progress bars?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I know that I've done this before, but I can't find it in the settings.  
Where do I find the progress bar settings for Window-Eyes?


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Re: JAWS question

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I agree with you.


Jaws reminds me of bloatware instead of a simple screen reader.

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On 5/23/2018 9:04 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I'm certainly with you when it comes to being reluctant to use JFW.
I don't like having it installed on any of my machines, which is why I don't 
have it on any of them.
It made me feel sick to have it on my machines, and so I got rid of it.
In a pinch, if worse comes to the worst, I will install it and use it.
However, I find using NVDA very pleasurable.
It feels so light when loading Windows screens and web pages, in contrast to 
JFW which feels like dragging a net of fish up on the beach.
Probably there are other metaphors, but I'm trying to point to the fact that it 
just feel super sluggish, not to mention the fact that it is over-engineered, 
that is, way too complicated, and so it got in the way of my work.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:11 PM
To: geodom--- via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

I use window-eyes 90 percent of the time.  IT is still my favorite.
When window-eyes doesn't work, I load n v d a.  I won't run jaws.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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23 May 2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:


Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you?  I
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can still
use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

  Hi Kevin,

  Yes, that is possible.

  The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
  %appdata%
  Here you find a folder freedom scientific
  In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
  In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
  with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
  folder to the same location on the other computer.
  I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
  jaws will not lock files.

  Regards, Marten


  On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk
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  Hi:

  My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
  Kevin Huber
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Re: I'm beginning to notice new features that Window-Eyes does notg support

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Thanks, Larry,


The bypass key worked.  I didn't know that control shift n was a 
window-eyes key.


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On 5/11/2018 10:56 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Sure it does. Use your WE bypass key and try it.


On 5/11/2018 9:26 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
I just noticed that WE does not support the new folder feature when 
you want to create a new folder by hitting control shift n. NVDA and 
Narrator do support this feature.




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I'm beginning to notice new features that Window-Eyes does notg support

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I just noticed that WE does not support the new folder feature when you 
want to create a new folder by hitting control shift n. NVDA and 
Narrator do support this feature.


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Re: Windows 10 Update

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I have also updated to Windows 10 version 1803 and have no problem using 
Window-Eyes.



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On 5/2/2018 6:42 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I just updated to Windows 10 version 1803.

It works well with Jaws.

  


Pastor Gil

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Re: window-eyes still working.

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Window Eyes still works for me, I have Jaws, but still like WE.

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On 2/22/2018 9:51 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Are you a part of the windows insider program?

-Original Message- From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:44 PM
To: wi...@win10.groups.io
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: window-eyes still working.

I just did that major update and window-eyes still is working using
Becky! email.

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CHRISTMAS!

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We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!

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CHRISTMAS

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We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!

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Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it 
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually 
install it on my windows 10 machines.


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On 11/22/2017 3:19 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the front. Is 
this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C

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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Chuck,


I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I have 
to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.


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On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Firefox 56.0 does not work with W E

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Net Bat,


Thank You Very Much for the link!  I first tried to download the 64 bit 
version of firefox 52.4, but the arrow keys did not work. So I 
uninstalled that one and installed the 32 bit version, 52.4.0.  This 
version works very well with W E.



Thanks Again, Net Bat!


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On 10/5/2017 1:44 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

download the extended support for businesses.
at least it will work until about march of next year. this version is 
upgraded once a year not every 6 weeks and you get all of the same 
security updates the consumer version gets.

its on version 52.3

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
you have to figure out the layout of the web page though.
w e reads the version list first then it will say download, download etc.
you have to count down the list  for your version then count down to 
the same number count on download to get the version you want.


-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Firefox 56.0 does not work with W E

I guess that I'm gradually being forced to Jaws.




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Firefox 56.0 does not work with W E

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I guess that I'm gradually being forced to Jaws.


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Re: App updates

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Rod,


I still prefer W E until it stops working.  I'm still interested in app 
updates!



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On 9/5/2017 5:52 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO is 
no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set up 
an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support for 
Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes users you 
know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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Re: ot: major outlook problem

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I'm having the same problem with thunderbird and gMail.


First, I backed up my thunderbird directory and deleted my gMail 
account.  When I tried to resetup that account, I got the same message 
about varifying my cradentials.  I had to reinstall my old thunderbird 
data to get my gMail account back.


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On 7/19/2017 11:08 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Hello,
I have been having this problem with outlook for a while now.
When I go to set up mail accounts, the first progress window comes up telling 
me that the program is connecting and trying to get the information from the 
server.
Then not long afterword's, a window that just simply says, "Microsoft outlook 
Credentials, (not Responding) comes up. I just reinstalled windows 10, cleanly, and 
that was the reason why I did a clean install.
Any ideas on how to fix it?
Thanks,
Darrell

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Re: battery info.

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

It works on my laptop with windows 10 creator.


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On 7/9/2017 11:27 PM, michael's mail via Talk wrote:

Hi guys I have noticed on the last win 10 creaters update that I can no longer 
see the remaining time.
Only the battery percentage.
I thought it was my new machine playing up.
But I checked all them and all can no longer see the battery remaining time.
Cheers Michael.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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windows 10 updates

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I just checked for updates, and I haven't had a major one for over a week.

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Re: Learning Jaws

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I just installed Jaws 18, and I ended up with 9 programs! Bloatware to 
be  sure!


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On 5/16/2017 5:17 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

FS stands for Freedom Scientific.

The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the name 
of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the first 
time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for Henter-Joyce. 
 When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they kept the name 
HJPad.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
sells JAWS?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book):

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

  


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Re: switch to Jaws

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better 
and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!



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On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will do 
much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop selling 
and developping it.

73
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Re: Synthesizer question

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Thanks for the info, David.


I'll look through my old disks and hopefully find it.  The speech Works 
versions of Eloquence is a little faster and louder then the we version 
of  eloquence.


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On 4/21/2017 6:22 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Unless memory should fail me totally, Eloquence was in its SAPI version,
way up to WE6.2. When WE7.0 came out, the dedicated version of Eloquence
was the rule of the day.


If you will happen to have an installation CD for any version prior to
WE7, you will find the Eloquence files there.


When inserting the CD, let Setup start. When prompted to choose your
method of installation, you have to go under Advanced. I seem to
remember you had to press V, or maybe Alt-V. There you would find the
voice installation, which could be run without having to install the
whole screen reader, which of course would overwrite your current
version and cause you a rather heavy headache.


The above is all taken from memory, so forebare with me, should any of
it be slightly out of range.



David

On 4/21/2017 11:08 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

These used to be included in older versions of Window Eyes, I don't remember 
the version of WE where the Eloquence voices were changed to WE only versions.
- Original Message -
    From: Bob Tinney via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 5:00 PM
Subject: Synthesizer question


Hi,


On my desktop computer I have some Speech Works Eloquence voices.  They
are sapi 5 voices and I like them.


I don't remember downloading them, and they are not on my laptop.  Where
can I find these voices?


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Synthesizer question

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


On my desktop computer I have some Speech Works Eloquence voices.  They 
are sapi 5 voices and I like them.



I don't remember downloading them, and they are not on my laptop.  Where 
can I find these voices?



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Re: Found another change with the creaters addition

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I was looking in the windows X menu and saw the apps and features menu, 
but it is still called "programs and features in the control panel.


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On 4/14/2017 10:31 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
The program and features link in the control panel has been changed to 
"apps and features".  Big DEAL!




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Found another change with the creaters addition

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The program and features link in the control panel has been changed to 
"apps and features".  Big DEAL!


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Re: Windows ten creators' update issues.

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I installed the creater update yesterday and did so using narrator.  The 
install went quickly in about 20 minutes and had no problem with the 
update.  Everything was spoken by narrator and I did have a keyboard 
hooked to my desktop computer.  I was actually surprised by how fast the 
upgrade went.



Now my question is what has changed by the upgrade?  The only thing that 
I've noticed is that narrator now must be started by Control windows enter.


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On 4/13/2017 1:05 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I had about 3 or 4 major options.
(1) when the last screen came up, of course there is silence and your
computer is waiting for you to press the "next" button from within the
"welcome to windows" screen with your name on the second line.
I had no keyboard, therefore no way to call narrator, and no way to see
the "next" button, and no way to activate it, no how with an absent
keyboard.
(2) I had no sound, since unbeknownst to me, my sounds had been
redirected to my headphones output of my sound card, not speakers which
is the default and (formerly set up) condition.
What to do?  Without a mouse connected to my computer, without sight
available at the time, I determined with "be my eyes," that the
condition of "welcome to windows" was happening and my name were on the
screen, and the "next" button, my wife saw with KNFB reader with her
phone.
I had to find a USB mouse, get my neighbor to come in here and press the
"next" button with the mouse, and, of course, we had no keyboard so he
had to use the "virtual" keyboard available in "ease of access center,"
to tap in my PIN which I used at that time to log onto my machine,
because I used my Microsoft account so, in case I had a future machine
identified with my Microsoft account.
My neighbor, then, with very little computer experience, had to find a
way through all of the activity happening, (finishing the update,
downloading fixes to creator edition), and, then, since I was talking
with the Microsoft representative connect my computer to his for fixing.
We found out that on my machine, when the Microsoft account was having
to be logged into, with my pin being requested, I had no keyboard since
the default after the update was with "filter keys" turned on, and
though the Microsoft rep turned them off more than once, they got turned
on again before my PIN was requested every time a re-boot occurred. So,
his solution was to set me up with a local account for now.
The "no keyboard" situation was ugly, imagine a blind person without a
keyboard, and no way to call narrator during the update because of that,
and then, sounds being redirected somewhere else.
I did, while my computer was silent, plug headphones into my computer,
but with no activity, hung on the welcome screen, there is no potential
for sounds to occur, and with no keyboard, how was I to know if my
silent narrator was approaching the "next" key with the mouse. Narrator
did not stay with me after the last boot, and with no way to invoke it I
was hung.
So BE WARE! On your machine all may go swimmingly, but it sure did not
on mine, and I still do not know if I can re-invoke my Microsoft account
with it's PIN used to log into my machine.


-
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WB6HEF
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Re: makeing the switch

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm not making the switch.  I use WE, NVDA, and Narrator.  I'm also 
waiting to see what WE will do with the Creators edition.


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On 4/4/2017 10:17 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
The big test will be when windows 10 Creators update is released.  
Will window-eyes work with it?


-Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:16 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: makeing the switch

WE is not dead yet. It still works great for me  and they still 
respond to a support question, although this is not as good as it used 
to be.

 - Original Message -  From: Tony C via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:04 AM
 Subject: makeing the switch


 Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for 
several years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent 
demise of Window Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to 
be making the switch. I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it 
seems that it’s time to teach an old dog new tricks. lol. I can take 
my I phone or my I pad mini and have no problem using programs like 
Netflix, Slink, and other websites using Voice Over, that WE and Jaws 
say hey can’t because the sites aren’t accessible. I think I’ll keep 
one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it just so I can look back and think 
of all the money I spent just to be left with my thumb up my nose. 
When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a screen reader, and 
now the built in screen reader with the IOS works great with all those 
websites that were called by tech support for Jaws and window eyes 
“inaccessible”.. I know I may catch some flack for this, but it’s the 
truth none the less.I guess VFO thinks they’ve cornered the market on 
Screen readers, but I refuse to do business with them, because of who 
they are and who they are connected with. I started out with Windows 
95 and JFW back in 1995, and I used Jaws up untill 2004 when a friend 
of mine and myself started building a web site, he was a WE user and I 
a Jaws user. I couldn’t do some of the thing with jaws and Freedom 
Scientific’s tech support told me it was because the page builder I 
was usin was “inaccessible”, but my buddy with Window eyes could do 
it. I started using WE to work on the website and as I got used to it 
I began using is more and more for other things. I found that WE 
worked “out of the box” with more programs than Jaws did. So, in 2004 
I became a Window eyes user. now I’m sad to say that the same type of 
thing has happened, except this time is between Window eyes Windows 
and Voice Over and Mac. I will be buying my first Mac in a couple of 
months and telling WE and Windows goodby.

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Disk cloning software?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Anyone have recommendations for disk cloning software that works well 
with W E?



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Re: Java script message on bootup

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Larry,


I'm still getting the Java script message on boot up, but I have solved 
my sound card problems by uninstalling and reinstalling Window-Eyes.  I 
also uninstalled the Java access bridge cause I don't use it, but that 
made no difference.



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 12/23/2016 10:17 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well Bob, I'm certainly not an expert on these things by any means, 
but I really thought that the only times one would come in contact 
with JAVA Script was while in a browser, not at boot up or anything 
remotely relating to the rest of the system. Maybe someone who is much 
better versed than either of us could explain just why this should 
even be happening at all.


On 12/23/2016 7:54 AM, Bob Tinney wrote:

Hi Larry,


I can just hit the control key and stop the message, but I don't know
where its coming from.  I can't really restore this computer, cause I
just made a lot of changes that I don't really want to do over, but I

m still hoping that it will go away soon!


This is an MSI motherboard with a SkyLake processor and its really fast,
but I'm getting pauses in the sound stream cause the system is putting
too much emphasis on the video stream, but I

'm working on adjusting things.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 12/22/2016 7:03 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Bob, this behavior is definitely kind of weird. I had the same thing
happen after allowing an update for my Adobe Flash Player from a Web
site. The only way I managed to get rid of it in that instance was to
do a system restore. About the only advice I got from anyone was to
the effect of just waiting it out and it would/might eventually go
away, but it was just too annoying, and I thought that some kind of
malware might be involved, so I took the above action, and it did the
trick.

Why this should happen after installing a motherboard and a processor
is a real mystery, but I don't know what else to suggest.

On 12/22/2016 4:15 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
I just installed a new motherboard and processor in my computer, 
and now
when the computer either restarts or boots from shut down, I get a 
java

script message that mentions Active x and shell along with a lot of
random letters and numbers.

Does anyone know how I can get rid of this annoying behavior? I'm
running Windows 10 pro.









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Java script message on bootup

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I just installed a new motherboard and processor in my computer, and now 
when the computer either restarts or boots from shut down, I get a java 
script message that mentions Active x and shell along with a lot of 
random letters and numbers.


Does anyone know how I can get rid of this annoying behavior? I'm 
running Windows 10 pro.





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Re: Window-eyes is still great

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I also agree!

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On 12/22/2016 2:01 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Me too, Chris.  Window-Eyes is my dailey product as well.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:54 AM
To: Kim Lingo; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-eyes is still great

The future of Window-eyes may be in somewhat doubt but as
long as they're still selling it and as long as people are using it it's
still alive, and it's what I use on a daily basis. lets stop being so
negative.  The very moment I get official word from either VFO, or
  someone from AI Squared, i'm going on the idea that Window-eyes
is still alive and kicking.




On 12/22/2016 1:05 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,
I think general opinion is right here.  Let's all start coming up with
original subject lines, unless some one has the power to resurrect
things. I realize that this is a little more time-consuming than
pressing control-r, but there's nothing wrong with a little creativity.
Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:49 AM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: We should stop using this subject line it only hurts
WindowEyes:Window-Eyes is Dead!

Amen to this.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 10:11:56 -0600
via Talk  wrote:


And, my delete finger is getting tired.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: We should stop using this subject line it only hurts Window
Eyes:Window-Eyes is Dead!


   - Original Message -   From: Jim via Talk
   To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:16 PM
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!


   I agree!

   There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO
regarding
   this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA.
So I
   think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally
   unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to
   discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting
and
   spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.
PLEASE
   folks!  Have A Great Day! de

   .


   On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
   > I agree.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
   > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
   > To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead.
it's the
   > thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
   > friends...
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
   >> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
   >> selling it?  Pam.
   >>
   >> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
   >> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >>
   >> And lets add to that.  How about several employees
leaving Ai
   >> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling
Window-Eyes.
   >>
   >> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
   >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
   >> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >>
   >> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I
sent
   >> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What
does
   >> this tell you?
   >>
   >> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
   >>> Hi there FOLKS!
   >>>
   >>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago,
as far
   >>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or
intermediate
   >>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called
about
   >>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to
for
   >>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
about
   >>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
   >>> APPRECIATE!. 
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
    Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a
very
    good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a
better job
    than Window Eyes.
   
    But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
    and they always wa

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

If VFO decides to stop  selling and supporting Window-Eyes because 
JAWS cost more,they will lose me as a customer as I can not stand JAWS 
at all!  I have Narrator and NVDA as backups and WE until it won't work 
anymore!



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On 12/18/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...






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Re: stable version of thunderbird

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm running the latest version of Thunderbird, 45.4.0, and have had no 
issues with Thunderbird and WinEyes.


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On 11/14/2016 12:39 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys

Does anyone know of a stable version of thunderbird and where to find 
it?  I'm just so baffled.  2 different computers, the latest 
window-eyes, and the latest thunderbird, and i spend time literallye 
very day for hours fighting to get through the day just to compose 
email.  It's a huge waste of time.  How can this be happening. 
Something had to have changed in terms of thunderbird. it makes no 
sense whey there is no clear cut solution to this problem.

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Windows10 update Good News

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

The latest windows 10 update finally fixed the favorites problem that 
Microsoft created about six updates ago.  Update kb3197954 finally 
removed the security warning from any url that you opened from the 
favorites folder.



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Another Windows10 security update!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

The latest windows10 security update, KB3194798, did not fix my 
Favorites folder security warning issue that Microsoft knows about.  
Will they ever get their act together?



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Re: favorites in IE

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Since the last three updates for windows 10, when I use favorites in IE, 
I get a security warning.  Microsoft is aware of this problem and 
hopefully this problem will be fixed soon.


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On 10/12/2016 8:42 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Running Win 10 and latest version of WE.
When using the favorites menu on IE 11 quite often when you arrow down 
to a favorite in the favorites list and hit enter nothing happens.  In 
other words the favorites don't work.  Only way to get them working 
again is a system reboot.  Anyone else experiencing this or have a 
solution?

Thanks
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Re: The future of Window-eyes

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

If Window-Eyes is rolled in to Jaws, I will stop using W-E and go with 
NVDA and Narrator.



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On 10/3/2016 8:29 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Keep this stuff up, and they'll drive more people to the Mac. I've 
never liked FS's attitudes regarding marketing and quality 
control.--Matthew Chao





On 10/3/2016 8:22 AM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
Welcome to the world of being a customer of a private equity firm, 
nothing

good.


On Monday, October 3, 2016, Martin Brown via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello Sky.
I have listened to both podcasts, and would not be optimistic about the
survival of Window-Eyes.
I found very little about either podcast to give me even the smallest
twinge
of excitement about what will be new in JAWS 18 either. Audio 
Ducking would
seem to be the revolutionary new idea for which I will be expected 
to give
eternal thanks for. The software engineers must have lost a lot of 
sleep in
order to come up with that 21st century break through. Good enough 
idea and

useful, but come on chaps, not really worth the price of an SMA

To be fair, there was also mention of further development in the 
support of

complex web pages, whatever that means. Oh, and work is to continue on
support for the Edge browser. In recent years, the only thing that I 
can

say
about Freedom Scientific, is that they no longer fail to disappoint me.
Martin

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4 =
gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: The future of Window-eyes

Hello Window-Eyes users.  Sky here.  I wanted to update you guys on 
What's

been happening at VFO Group, Particuarly in regards to Zoomtext, and
Window-eyes. In September, 2 editions of FSCast came out regarding 
JAWS 18.

One of the features that will be in JAWS 18 will be a talking mouse
support.
The guys at VFO group has said that They have plans to put the talking
mouse
support in Zoomtext, and make JAWS work with it. This made me laugh, as
first of all, Zoomtext already has Window-eyes in it, called Fusion,
secondly, Zoomtext, from my understanding, already has built in mouse
support already with Fusion. No menschen of Window-eyes or even 
Fusion.  In
the next FSCast, VFO went into more details on JAWS 18 and Zoomtext. 
What

is
going to happen is that in Zoomtext 11, JAWS and Zoomtext will be 
working
together. I can honestly tell you that they also plan to put in a 
talking
mouse support for MAGic, which will be released in 2017. This is not 
a good
sign, and besides, Zoomtext and JAWS, would cost a lot more to buy, 
than it
would cost to buy Zoomtext Fusion. At no point in the two FSCasts do 
they

menschen what's going to happen with Window-eyes.



If you guys would like to take a look at the two FSCasts, go to





http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast131-JAWS_18_
part1
.mp3







and







http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast132-JAWS_18_
part2
.mp3







I also want to hear what the senior management from AI Squared have 
to say

on the future.

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Re: The last three security updates still causing problems

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


Its not Windows Defender.  If I uninstall the last security update, the 
security warning goes away until the security update reinstalls itself.  
Remember, these security warnnings only happen when your using Internet 
Explorer and its favorites feature.


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On 10/2/2016 12:03 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

could this be a setting in the windows defender thats doing this?

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 8:23 AM
To: Richard Jarvis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The last three security updates still causing problems

Well, I'm one who is, and I hope for Bob's sake that this can be
resolved, but I guess it really doesn't bother me since my natural
inclinations is to just use the favorites option to access them. I will
agree though that this behavior is really mystifying.

On 10/2/2016 9:37 AM, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:

Hello Bob, I don't understand why some people have your problem, and
others don't.  I have windows10 anniversary edition,and window-eyes
9.5.3.0 and I do not get those security messages.  I am not sure why
not, but it does seem to be a hit and miss problem for sure.  I hope
that your problem gets solved soon, and that I don't start getting this
problem.  Rick

On 9/30/2016 7:30 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I just talked with a Microsoft rep who finally admitted that there is a
problem with the last series of security updates causing unnecessary
security warnings when opening links from the favorites folder in
internet explorer.  He advised that one way to solve this problem is to
downgrade to the 1511 version of windows 10 until the problem is fixed,
but I like the new anniversary update, so I don't plan to do that, I'll
just put of with the unnecessary security warnings and keep bugging
Microsoft.




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The last three security updates still causing problems

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I just talked with a Microsoft rep who finally admitted that there is a 
problem with the last series of security updates causing unnecessary 
security warnings when opening links from the favorites folder in 
internet explorer.  He advised that one way to solve this problem is to 
downgrade to the 1511 version of windows 10 until the problem is fixed, 
but I like the new anniversary update, so I don't plan to do that, I'll 
just put of with the unnecessary security warnings and keep bugging 
Microsoft.




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now, another security update for windows 10 is causing the same problem

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


Yesterday I had to uninstall cumulative update kb3189866.  That stopped 
the favorites security warning.  Today I got another security update, 
kb3193494 and id did the same thing causing any link in the favorites 
folder to give a security warning when trying to open it.  I also 
uninstalled this latest update, and again, the security warnings are gone.




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Re: weird issue with apps after rebooting

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I haven't had this window eyes app problem with all of the Windows 10 
updates.  As I said before, the last security update caused unnecessary 
security warnings until I uninstalled the update.



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On 9/21/2016 3:07 PM, John Covici via Talk wrote:

I think that the wineyes.ini file in your default folder gets
corrupted, keep a copy around and if this happens replace the one you
have and that will recover all your apps.  I have not had this lately,
but I have had to do that.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:05:16 -0400,
Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

 Hi guys


I've seen this happen in older Window-eyes versions before, and
it just happened to me a couple days ago. I've only just got
things back to the way I want them.  For some inexplicable
reason, after I rebooted due to a Windows 10 update, I noticed
that all of my Window-eyes apps had been uninstalled?  removed?
changed somehow?

   The only way I knew how to fix it was to download everything
again.  I had to first re-install GW Toolkit, which then allowed
me to re-install AppGet, and then I was able to get all the other
apps I use pretty easily.  But the better question is, why is
this happening?  I would think after something as simple as a
reboot, the apps should all stay working, right?  I shouldn't
have to re-download them every time a new version of Window-eyes
is released.  Oddly enough this only happens one time, so it
looks like the first time after you reboot after installing a new
version of Window-eyes, this is what happens.  Anyone else know
what i'm talking about?  Has anyone else experienced this after
installing 9.3.5?


 Thanks.





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Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Thanks for that info, Russ!


I did not have the update mentioned on that web page, kb3185319.


But I did have security update kb3189866 that was installed on 9/14 and 
when I uninstalled that update, my favorites problem was solved!!!




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On 9/20/2016 9:58 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

I saw the following about this issue on another list:
This link leads to a page where a solution is discussed.  The first 
two messages should be read.  The others are discussion of the problem 
but reading them is optional.
https://techtalk.groups.io/g/main/topic/windows_sept_13_2016_update/2750145?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,internet+explorer+favorites,20,2,0,2750145 



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 6:53 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

The security warning continues whenever I open Internet Explorer from a
link in Favorites.  I've looked in IE settings, but can't find anything
obvious there to change.

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On 9/19/2016 10:49 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

I'm told there is an Internet Explorer setting that allows this.  People
need to check their Internet Explorer settings.  Sorry I don't know 
which

one and my husband wasn't specific on that either.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.5.3  on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and
I.E. 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running 
Windows 10
with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus 
on boht

machines.

Join me in supporting the Illinois Council of the Blind through our 
GoFundMe

page at www.gofundme.com/icb2015.




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Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I've turned smart screen filter on and off and it did not make a difference.

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On 9/20/2016 9:59 AM, Davy Cuppens via Talk wrote:

Karyn

Could it be smartscreen filter? I put it off and I cannot confirm all 
these complaints about the new security warnings.


Regards
Davy from Belgium


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:49 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

I'm told there is an Internet Explorer setting that allows this. People
need to check their Internet Explorer settings.  Sorry I don't know which
one and my husband wasn't specific on that either.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.5.3  on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and
I.E. 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running 
Windows 10
with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on 
boht

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Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

The security warning continues whenever I open Internet Explorer from a 
link in Favorites.  I've looked in IE settings, but can't find anything 
obvious there to change.


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I'm told there is an Internet Explorer setting that allows this.  People
need to check their Internet Explorer settings.  Sorry I don't know which
one and my husband wasn't specific on that either.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.5.3  on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and
I.E. 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10
with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
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Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Last week Microsoft pushed out a Cumulative update to Windows 10.  After 
I installed this update on both my desktop and laptop, I now get a 
security warning on any link that I open with internet explorer in my 
favorites folder.  Has anyone else noticed this?



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Windows 10 pro vs pro versions

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


On my desktop, I'm running the pro version of Windows 10.  On my laptop 
I'm running the home version.  I've noticed that the task bar looks 
different between the two versions.  On the home version on my laptop I 
can find a mike button to press if I want to ask cortana a question.  
This button is not on my pro machine?  Has anyone else noticed this?




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Re: Thunderbird and it repeting the first few lines of A message

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


Rather than restarting Window-Eyes, I just stop W-E from reading the 
message and restart reading with control-shift-R.  That works for me.  I 
hope that this thunderbird problem gets fixed soon!



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On 8/18/2016 11:45 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi thanks to another Lister hear.
I tried the suggestion of when I open Thunderbird and after right is 
open.

Hit my ALT control w and of course window-eyes reloads again.
But yes the repeating the first line or few words in an e-mail message 
is gone.

So why is this?
And maybe in the next release of window-eyes Thunderbird can be taken 
A look and at and find out why it is doing what it does.

And maybe we will get A fix for it.
Thank you all and hope this can be corrected soon.




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Re: Windows Software, WE and Updates And Upgrades

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Rick,


My Windows 10 pro desktop did not get the update, so I downloaded the 
media creation tool and started the upgrade that way and I'm using the 
upgraded system while writing this email.  By the way, the next 
cumulative update that came out out on August 8, seems to have really 
improved windows 10 speed.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


On 8/16/2016 5:19 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod:
I was doing some general reading about how Microsoft pushes out upgrades and
updates.
It appears, the article was confusing, that MS may hold off pushing out
upgrades and updates, other than critical ones, for about 4 months after the
initial rollout to folks like home users to ensure there are no glitches and
that any necessary fixes are in place before the pro users get the update or
upgrade.
There are also other schedules they use for Enterprise and some specialized
users.
There is a check box on your computer you can check that would, I think,
defer installing of updates and upgrades for 8 months, not sure how it would
impact home users.
I have the default automagic install of updates and upgrades and have not
changed this setting as I was not sure if it was a good idea at the time.
I forgot to save the url to the article or would put it here for all to read
but can try to find it again if anyone is interested and cant find it.
I wonder if this is what is going on.
I wonder if MS is just waiting 4 months to push the windows 10 anniversery
edition to the Windows Pro users.
They did say that pro users could download updates and upgrades manually but
I don't recall any setting to allow automatic download and install for pro
users as they are rolled out.
This may be why we have not received the new upgrade on our windows pro
machines - fingers crossed they get it right.
As for the Office 365 updates I will look into that via the link you
provided and perhaps upgrade there but because of the problems I see others
having with the 2016 Outlook version I will need to do some homework prior
to getting off into that mire, sigh.
That's all I have this early morning to report as I am really, really busy
trying to repair my investing platform after some changes Yahoo has made to
their website and I have to switch to pulling down data from the NASDAQ now.
Later and thanks for the help.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:03 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Windows Software, WE and Updates And Upgrades

Hi Rick,

If you type update in the search edit box in the Start menu, Check for
Updates will appear.
If you press Enter on this, you'll be taken to the Windows Update dialog.
If you tab to the Check for updates button and Press it, you'll activate the
manual download of available updates.
Once downloads are available, tabbing to the Install button will actually
install them, and you'll be asked to restart your system when installed.
Now, if you don't manually install updates, this will normally be done
automatically if you leave your system on overnight.
I manually installed updates on my Windows 10 Pro virtual machine twice over
the last week, the last time being today.
Now, even though the Windows Update dialog continues to report that my
Windows is up to date, the current build of my Windows version is still
1511.
I'm starting to be convinced that the anniversary update is either only for
Windows 10 Home, or it will be rolled out to Pro later.
Perhaps Home users are the guinea pigs while the advanced Pro users remain
happy go lucky with their stable 1511 build. Grin

All the best,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Windows Software, WE and Updates And Upgrades

Hi:
I don't think I have ever gotten any updates or upgrades for office 365 and
now have not gotten the upgrade for windows 10 anniversery edition.
I have received the automatic updates like for windows defender loaded
automatically.
  I am wondering if I have not registered my software correctly or something
and don't know what I don't know so cant even check things out.
Also, WE does not work correctly  when searching for features in the start
box.
I hit enter to open it, type something then have to hit the down arrow key,
tab out and back in to read every entry, not very good and not sure if this
is normal WindowEyes behavior.
There are other things I am noticing but these 2 are a good starting point
to start trying to figure things out, learn what I need to and or request
fixes as I move through trying to figure out what is going on.
I run a Dell Desktop Optiplex, windows 10 pro and the latest WE.
My Outlook in the start list and on the desktop reads as Outlook2013 but in
the properties window the executable is Outlook15 so I don't have a clue as
t

Anniversary update to Windows 10 is working even better after the latest update

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I noticed that after the latest cumulative update that was pushed out 
starting on August 8 to windows 10, the Windows 10's speed seems to have 
improved on both of my machines.  Has anyone else noticed this speed 
improvement?




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Re: observations of anniversary win 10.

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I had to use the Microsoft media creation tool to force my older desktop 
to upgrade.  Thanks to NetBat, I was able to install the anniversary 
addition without a problem.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 8/5/2016 6:00 AM, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote:

Hi guys i have noticed in the new win 10 if you press windows key plus I to go 
to settings you have to press tab now to get in to the list of options in 
settings.
And if you click system from that list you have to press tab again to be able 
to arrow through the options.
Before the update you could go to setings and just arrow around.
And i wonder how Microsoft will work out wich computers will get the update 
first.
I found that my new HP notebook wich came with windows 10 it got the update as 
soon as i checked for updates.
But on my Dell notebook and HP desktop that came with windows 8.1 and i updated 
to win 10 are not seeing the update yet.
Cheers Michael.
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the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking installation

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


As I said before, my newer laptop upgraded right away with no problem at 
all.  I haven't seen the update on my older desktop which is running 
windows 10 version 1115.



My question is if I uninstall the WE display driver, what's the easiest 
way to reinstall it?



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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I updated my HP I7 laptop this morning without a problem.  My desktop 
which is running win 10 pro is not showing the upgrade yet.



I did not have to uninstall the Win-Eyes display driver on my laptop to 
successfully install the upgrade.


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On 8/3/2016 1:01 PM, pete gurney via Talk wrote:

hi chris,

unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
you have installed before it will go ahead.
thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
while you get the update started.

pete.


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windows 10 update?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

IS there a quick way to tell when the anniversary update has been installed?


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Re: os for laptop

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm running windows 10 and it is much faster and more secure than windows 7.

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On 8/1/2016 10:45 AM, hui thian via Talk wrote:

Hi, kindly please what os should I get for my new laptop? is windows 10 or 7 
better? thanks
Best Regards
Hui Thian
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Re: new laptop

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi Robin,


I have an HP laptop that I bought last Christmas with an I7 
processor,and boy is it fast!  It beats my AMD quad core desktop that's 
about four years old.  I'm running windows 10 and the i7 is optimized to 
work with that version of windows.  Also I'd get 8 gig of ram, your 
computer will be much faster.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 7/31/2016 11:19 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

I have been looking at the HP models that are a 15 inch screen but also have 
the numpad.  Costco is having some good sales right now with back to school and 
I'm just debatin the price point of whether to go with an i3, i5 or i7 for the 
limited things I do on a laptop. Seems like for one pice point of $399, I was 
finding either an I3 processor with 8 GB RAM or an i5 with only 6 GB RAM.  Not 
sure what it would cost to upgrade the RAM.  I also like that Costco doubles 
the 1 year warranty and gives technical support.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:39 AM
To: hui thian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new laptop

You will probably want one that has a separate number pad so it is easier to 
use the mouse.  I think HP has some nice laptops.  Rick

On 7/30/2016 11:02 AM, hui thian via Talk wrote:

Hi, kindly please advise the specification of a laptop I should get.
my xp system is giving problem so need to get advise of getting a
correct laptop. thanks Best Regards Hui Thian
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W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I always download the upgrade file before I run it as I've always had 
better luck doing that.



W-E seems to load and unload faster and is more responsive in general.  
I can now edit file names on the desktop, but still can't edit file 
names in any windows explorer folder.



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Re: Is There Any Way of Using the New Mail Ap In Windows 10?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm using Thunderbird and I'm very happy with that program.

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On 7/25/2016 5:52 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys,
I’m using the latest Window-Eyes and  brand new Windows 10 laptop.  I’ve been 
able to set up a few email accounts in the Mail ap, but I am unable to get to 
the options, as it is just a picture or something, of something that looks like 
a cog.  Without being able to get to the options, I cannot turn the preview 
pane off, or adjust any other settings.  Has anyone found a way round this?  I 
was informed that Window-Eyes did not fully work with the ap by a Microsoft 
tech, so I would have had to agree to let him take control of my machine, and 
he would do all the adjustments I wanted, not happening, or I could purchase a 
copy of Outlook.  I’ve also tried finding this options cog with Jaws, NVDA and 
Narrator, all without any luck, what email software are folks using on their 
machines?  I have installed WLM, but the tech guy from Microsoft was not happy, 
and made a point of telling me that it was not supported!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards.
Jim.

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Using Twitter with WE

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm just starting to use Twitter again and I'm using the mobile site 
using IE.  Is there a way I can bring up a list of those that I'm 
following?  Is there an app that would work better with Twitter?






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Re: Windows Update Question

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

With all of the problems updating a Windows 7 computer, why not update 
to Windows 10, it might actually take less time!



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On 6/19/2016 6:52 PM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Interesting, on my old windows 7 computer, I could never get any 
windows 7 updates since the first of April.  When I did a check for 
updates, It said progressing and never would do anything from that 
point on.  I even used the Microsoft windows update component repair 
tool with no luck.


-Original Message- From: Dan Rathburn via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows Update Question



Hello,

Two important updates were available for Windows 7 today.  I have the
fastest residential internet service from Comcast.  I am wondering why
downloading these updates has been in progress for several hours. Last
week, thirteen important updates took almost six hours to download and
install.  Could someone offer an explanation for this.  Running WE 
9.4, Win

7 HP 64-bit, I.E. 11 on an Acer laptop with 3 gigs of ram and a dual-core
AMD processor.

Thanks,

Dan


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Two problems with W-E that are annoying!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm running W-E 9.4 and Windows 10.  Sometimes when I load a complicated 
web page, after a considerable pause, all  of my keys will say


"not a valid key press".  If I restart Window-Eyes, things return to normal.


Also, when I want to change a file name, or in other windows explorer 
edit boxes, W-E is silent and I have to switch to either narrator or 
NVDA to fill in the edit box.



If NVDA and Narrator can always read these edit boxes, Window-Eyes 
should read them too!



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Re: David Woo interview

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Why are so many of you list members acting like the end has come.  I'm 
looking forward to the future and hoping for the best in accessibility!  
If you expect the worst, that's what you'll get, I'm expecting a 
positive outcome and I hope that I'm right about that!



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V F O?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

My hope is that this combination of companies will improve 
accessibility and not limit new development.


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Re: reminder Please!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi Jim,


I didn't keep a copy of my original message, but its easy to reset your 
default browser.



First hit your windows key to open a search box.  Type "default browser" 
and hit enter.  You'll find a button labeled with the name of your 
current default browser.  Hit enter on that button and you will then be 
given a choice of browsers listed on your computer that you can make 
your new default browser.



Just hit enter on the button that is the default browser that you want 
and your done.



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 6/4/2016 3:09 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there folks!
It seems to me as though there was a message posted on this list about 
how to change my default browser back to IE or whatever I chose for 
ThunderBird.  I believe that Bob Binny posted it.  I seem to have lost 
it or accidently deleted it.  Could someone please give the steps 
again on how this is done!  Thanks Much de

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Amazon Echo web page

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Amazon Echo is a voice controlled internet connected resource where you 
can ask questions, control internet enabled appliances and get questions 
answered like Cortana in windows 10.  You ask echo a question and Amazon 
Echo responds to you with a voice responce. Both google and apple are 
coming out with similar products soon.



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On 5/28/2016 9:49 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:

What is an amazon echo? I know that sounds like a dumb question, but I
haven't played with those yet.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
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Subject: AmazonEcho web page

If your having trouble changing settings or skills on your Amazon Echo, go
to this page and try it instead.

http://echo.amazon.com/spa/index.html





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AmazonEcho web page

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If your having trouble changing settings or skills on your Amazon Echo, 
go to this page and try it instead.


http://echo.amazon.com/spa/index.html



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Re: Making the leap to Windows Ten!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi Paulette


When you are first setting up your echo, you must use a wifi connected  
computer or phone.  A hard wired computer will not work.  Any windows 
computer will work as long as it is using wifi!



When you start the setup process, you first start entering information 
on the echo.amazon.com website.  At some point, you will be instructed 
to switch to the WIFI connection coming from your echo to enter the 
login information that the echo needs.


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On 5/28/2016 10:34 AM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

When I go to the Alexa website, nothing happens. My husband tried using WE
and not having it turned on. He couldn't do it either. On the Amazon website
it says that my computer must be a wy fi computer. My computer is hard
wired. So, does that mean that it does not have to be wy fi?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Amanda Lee; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Making the leap to Windows Ten!

  I was able to successfully use the echo under both windows 7
and 10.





On 5/28/2016 10:07 AM, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

You may need to upgrade to IE11, if you're only using WE9.0, this mayalso
pose compatibility issues as well.  The Echo is supposed to be downward
compatible to Windows Seven.  Therefore, prior to upgrading to Windows

Ten,

be certain to review the system requirements and other specifications for
the Echo.


- Original Message -
From: "Butch Bussen via Talk" 
To: "Paulette Vickery" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion
List" 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Making the leap to Windows Ten!


I don't know what is wrong, but it works fine in windows seven.  That is
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


how I set mine up, don't have ten on the place.  On Sat, 28 May 2016,
Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:


Hi all,



I know that there has been lots of talk about Windows 10 over the last
year
and that I absolutely have to make the change from Windows 7 before July
29th. But I didn't pay much attention to the conversation because I

wasn't

going to make the change for a long time and I was perfectly happy with
Windows 7. Now something has happened to give me the not so subtle nudge,
or
shove, to make the change, right now! We purchased an Echo, made by
Amazon.
In order to use it and customize it to the way I want it I have to

install

and use a free app that you download to your phone, in my case an iPhone,
and/or a computer. My husband put it on his Android phone and installed

it

on my iPhone. He also installed it on his computer and can use it with no
problems. I am having a great deal of trouble using it on my iPhone, it

is

using IOS 8.2, I believe, but I can get it to work, sort of. I still

don't

know how to move around the Skills section, for example by moving freely
to
the next selection or going to the next page. But the real kicker came
when
I discovered that I couldn't use the app on my computer at all, because

it

does not work in Windows 7! So now I must get Windows 10 this week end
because I want to use this app. The problem is that I am scared to death
to
use it and have no idea how to make it do anything. Could some kind

people

please tell me the best places to get reliable information about using

it,

as well as a few tried and true tips and tricks to keep me from going
stark
raving mad? Is Cortana worth using? What do I have to do to keep

Microsoft

from becoming Big Brother? I am using Internet Explorer 10 and Window

Eyes

9, I think. Thanks so much in advance for your help.



Paulette

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Re: Unexpected upgrade to Win 10, need advice for configuring

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Chris,


To set your default browser, first hit the windows key on your keyboard 
and a search box will pop up.  Type default browser and hit enter.  The 
browser that will show as your default will probably be the Edge 
browser.  Hit enter  or space on that button and you will be given a 
list of browsers that you can pick from to choose your new default.  Hit 
enter on the browser that you want to be your default and your done.




Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/23/2016 1:40 PM, Chris T via Talk wrote:

I had planned on doing the upgrade over a weekend after researching a bit to be 
prepared to customize, but last night, after my mom, who owns the desktop I 
borrow time on while I save for a new machine, told the usual popup not to 
install the upgrade, the upgrade started anyway, although it waited a couple of 
hours to do so. It did not offer any cancel buttons or way she could stop the 
process, so now the computer has Windows 10 and today I am trying to configure 
it so that I can use it with Window Eyes and also so my technophobic mom can 
use it without too much stress. I think that both amount to the same task, 
getting things to resemble Windows 7 as much as is possible.

So, I am looking for tips on how to set things to both be as close to Windows 7 
as possible and so things work best with my Window-Eyes, which is up to date. 
Instructions, suggestions and links to instructional pages are all very 
welcome. I am struggling along, trying to figure things out by poking around, 
but I  haven’t figured a lot out, things like getting the file explorer to more 
resemble Windows Explorer, how to get Internet Explorer back as default browser 
and how to change the color scheme have so far eluded me.

Thanks for any assistance,

Chris T
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I'm trying to keep this discussion  on topic!


As of this morning, Cortana will now only search using Edge on my 
Windows 10 pro desktop.  The interesting thing is that if I search for a 
list of entries, not only can I tab through links, I can also arrow 
through them.  If I bring up a news story or a web site in Edge, I'm 
still not able to use the arrow or mouse keys.



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Re: The Edge browser

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Steve,


I just checked for updates and on my windows 10  pro machine, I still 
search with my default browser.  If that should change, I'll just adapt 
to it and move on.



I have IE, chrome, and firefox installed and I can use any of them 
depending on what I'm doing.



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On 5/21/2016 4:42 PM, Stephen Clark wrote:

Bob,


It also happens on Win 10 Pro with all the latest updates installed. 
So, unfortunately that's not the case.



On 5/20/2016 4:29 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
I think that I've figured out what is going  on with being forced to 
search with the Edge browser.


On my Windows 10 pro machine, search uses the default browser. On my 
and my Wife's laptops which are running Windows 10 home, Edge is the 
browser for searches no matter what the default browser is.


I hope that Edge gets much better soon!  Time and change march on and 
if we want to keep current, we need to adapt to the changes that are 
coming.  Smart phone users have been getting updates forced on to 
them by saying these are security improvements and that same 
philosophy has now come to Windows. For myself, I'm forging forward 
and speaking out for accessibility as I do!




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On 5/20/2016 11:39 AM, Jim wrote:

Hi there BOB & Group!
I have found the same thing. I will continue to use IE as my default 
browser until something better comes a llong.  Yes, I also have 
Chrome and Fire Fox but they still don't really meet my needs 
either.  I will continue to check back with edge from time to time 
to see if and or how much it has improved.  Catch Ya Later! de

.

On 20-May-16 09:29, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I just tried the Microsoft edge browser this morning and found that 
it is starting to work a little.  I can now tab from link to link, 
but the arrow keys still do not speak. The only browser in which 
the mouse keys work is still Internet Explorer and that's why that 
browser is still my default browser.







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Re: The Edge browser

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I think that I've figured out what is going  on with being forced to search 
with the Edge browser.

On my Windows 10 pro machine, search uses the default browser.  On my and my 
Wife's laptops which are running Windows 10 home, Edge is the browser for 
searches no matter what the default browser is.

I hope that Edge gets much better soon!  Time and change march on and if we 
want to keep current, we need to adapt to the changes that are coming.  Smart 
phone users have been getting updates forced on to them by saying these are 
security improvements and that same philosophy has now come to Windows.  For 
myself, I'm forging forward and speaking out for accessibility as I do!



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On 5/20/2016 11:39 AM, Jim wrote:

Hi there BOB & Group!
I have found the same thing. I will continue to use IE as my default 
browser until something better comes a llong.  Yes, I also have Chrome 
and Fire Fox but they still don't really meet my needs either.  I will 
continue to check back with edge from time to time to see if and or 
how much it has improved.  Catch Ya Later! de

.

On 20-May-16 09:29, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I just tried the Microsoft edge browser this morning and found that 
it is starting to work a little.  I can now tab from link to link, 
but the arrow keys still do not speak.  The only browser in which the 
mouse keys work is still Internet Explorer and that's why that 
browser is still my default browser.







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The Edge browser

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I just tried the Microsoft edge browser this morning and found that it 
is starting to work a little.  I can now tab from link to link, but the 
arrow keys still do not speak.  The only browser in which the mouse keys 
work is still Internet Explorer and that's why that browser is still my 
default browser.



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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I have Internet Explorer set as my default browser in Windows 10 pro and 
when I search for a topic, internet explorer comes up with several 
answers.  One place that always brings up Edge is when I try to use the 
Microsoft news app.  I can read all of the headlines, but when I click 
on one, an edge window comes up and I can not read anything with any of 
the screen readers that I currently have.



I contacted the Microsoft accessibility office about this problem and 
was told again, and again, and again that "they are aware of the problem 
and are working on it".


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
Win-eyes. It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is 
going with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with 
in the near future I feel we'll be left behind.


On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
into them?

Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: How Do You Get Narrator To Read More Than Controls and Menu Items

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Narrator is not very good, but its better than nothing!  Roomer has it 
that with the next major update of windows 10 coming this July, narrator 
is going to get a major upgrade.  But that's just a roomer, not a fact!



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On 5/13/2016 9:26 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:

Dear List:
I now have a windows ten computer.  But, since my version 9 window-eyes disk is 
too old for windows ten, I am trying to use narrator untiol payday when I hope 
to get the latest window-eyes.  I can read menu items with the up and down 
arrows and read controls with the tab key with narrator, but that is all.  Does 
anyone know how to read through a web page with narrator?  Thanks.  Regards:  
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Re: Information on Upgrading to Windows 10

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

RJ,


Your right, I don't know what I was thinking of.  Windows enter will 
start and exit narrator.



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On 5/13/2016 7:17 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
Bob, it is windows enter, not the control key. I think you were 
possibley thinking of another program.



On 5/13/2016 6:50 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Jim,


When you start the upgrade process, your current windows version will 
continue to work until the computer is ready to reboot in Windows 
10.  I'd wait about ten minutes or so after that until you try to 
bring up narrator by hitting control enter.  I've had the best luck 
upgrading to windows 10 using Microsoft's media creation tool as the 
upgrade downloads much faster.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/13/2016 12:24 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Can any of the folks that have gone through the upgrade process from 
7 or 8 to 10 tell me if they were able to do it themselves, or if 
they needed sighted assistance?  How did the procedure go, and how 
did you know when it was completed?
After installing WindowEyes 9.4 as the screen reader, what changes 
do I need to make to 10 to make things work as well as Windows 7, 
and where do I go to make the changes?
After the upgrade, is it still necessary to download a full version 
of 10 to do a clean install?
I’m planning on giving the upgrade a go over the weekend, without 
sighted help, so any advice, hints or tips, will be greatly 
appreciated.


Regards.
Jim.

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Re: Information on Upgrading to Windows 10

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Jim,


When you start the upgrade process, your current windows version will 
continue to work until the computer is ready to reboot in Windows 10.  
I'd wait about ten minutes or so after that until you try to bring up 
narrator by hitting control enter.  I've had the best luck upgrading to 
windows 10 using Microsoft's media creation tool as the upgrade 
downloads much faster.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/13/2016 12:24 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Can any of the folks that have gone through the upgrade process from 7 or 8 to 
10 tell me if they were able to do it themselves, or if they needed sighted 
assistance?  How did the procedure go, and how did you know when it was 
completed?
After installing WindowEyes 9.4 as the screen reader, what changes do I need to 
make to 10 to make things work as well as Windows 7, and where do I go to make 
the changes?
After the upgrade, is it still necessary to download a full version of 10 to do 
a clean install?
I’m planning on giving the upgrade a go over the weekend, without sighted help, 
so any advice, hints or tips, will be greatly appreciated.

Regards.
Jim.

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Re: Question about windows 10?

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Hi Russ,

I installed Windows 10 when it first came out and as part of the install 
process, you were asked if you wanted to run the upgrade advisor.  It 
told me that my printer and scanner would work but that my screen reader 
may not be compatible, but it did work.  Just go to Microsoft.com and in 
the search box search for upgrade advisor and you should find it.


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Before upgrading to windows 10, is there a way to check to make sure  > my programs and drivers will work with it? > 
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Re: Windows 10 accessibility

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I've never liked the way Bing search results have been presentede so I 
always change the search engine options in whatever browser I'm using.  
I hope that Microsoft lets us continue to make these choices!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/11/2016 11:17 PM, net bat wrote:

it won't be a problem until the next version.
then you won't have a choice. it will be bing and edge or die.
i amagen you would still be able to go to the google.com site and use 
it from there.


-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:10 PM
To: net bat
Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility



I don't use Bing, I use Google instead, so I've never noticed this 
problem.



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On 5/11/2016 8:14 PM, net bat wrote:
if you read the artical you would find out microsofts search engine 
will use edge no matter which browser you have as the default in the 
next version. you won't have any choice.


-----Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility

In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by
going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter.
The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default.� If
you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my
case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge.� Sometimes
after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still
want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch
to another browser.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it.
some of there so called improvements� is to block all browsers from 
being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as 
the default it will use edge.

unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f 




http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f 



-Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility

They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ


On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new 
Edge browser isn't accessible.� Makes you wonder if Microsoft is 
really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of 
time.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by 
going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter.  
The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default.  If 
you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my 
case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge.  Sometimes 
after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still 
want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch 
to another browser.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it.
some of there so called improvements  is to block all browsers from 
being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as 
the default it will use edge.

unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f 




http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f 



-Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility

They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ


On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new 
Edge browser isn't accessible.  Makes you wonder if Microsoft is 
really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of 
time.

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File name edit boxes not speaking

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I have the same problem with file edit boxes not speaking in Window Eyes 
most of the time.  I'm using default.set and it happens whether I'm in 
file explorer or on the desktop trying to change the name of a file.  
Both NVDA and narrator work every time.  I shouldn't have to change to 
another screen reader to change a file name!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/11/2016 7:48 AM, Mike Boyd via Talk wrote:

Hello Rod and everyone else,

Thank you all for the warm welcome and the tips and offers of help 
that I have already received. I as well received Window Eyes through 
the Office offer, and was happy to get it. I really know nothing but 
Jaws at this time, but I plan on changing this over the next few weeks 
or months, whatever it takes. I am sure that I will have many 
questions, and again, hope to start to contribute back to the group 
very soon. I live near New Orleans, though am a native Texan, I have 
been down here in Cajun Country for about 25 years, so it is home now. 
If you like seafood and a good time, consider coming down sometime. 
Thanks again for the welcome.


Mike

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 3:23 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
Subject: RE: edit box not speaking

Hi Carol,

You might ask your friend which set file is associated with the file 
list.

Mine is default.set and tracks properly.

Hth,

Rod

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Behalf

Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: May 10, 2016 3:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: edit box not speaking

My friend is using a desktop PC with WE, suddenly, when trying to edit 
the

name of a file using F2, the contents will only speak if she presses the
down arrow.  She  can't arrow through the title to make changes or use 
the
backspace to tell what has been done. Pressing backspace, though, does 
erase

the appropriate number of characters.  The edit box has already been
maximized.  Thanks.

Carol


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Re: Problem exiting sleep mode

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

When Windows 10 first came out, I had problems coming out of sleep mode, 
but I haven't had any problems with sleep mode for over 6 months now.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/9/2016 8:53 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Am I missing something? When I go to the options for shutting down or 
anything else for that matter, I don't see an option for hibernation, 
only sleep. I didn't even see that one in Windows 8.1.


On 5/8/2016 2:07 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Don,

I don't remember all the details about specific manufacturers, but what
I've seen is that Sleep mode can cause problems with certain device 
drivers.

Not coming back to life after returning from Sleep.
Instead of Sleep mode, try Hibernation, which switches power off 
completely,

and see if performance is stable after returning from hibernation.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: May 7, 2016 10:09 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Problem exiting sleep mode

I am running Window-eyes 9.4 on an HP desktop whose operating system is
Windows 10.  The problem I am about to describe is not screen reader
specific, but I am hopeful that some list member may know of a solution.


After this machine has been put into sleep mode, it is difficult to 
get it

to come out.  I usually press the escape key to wake it up, after which
Eloquence utters several unintelligible syllables.  Now comes the tricky
part.  I tab slowly and hear things such as "ease of access,"
"shut down," and ultimately "unlock."  However, if I tab too rapidly 
or too

slowly, the system locks up requiring a hard reset.  On at least two and
possibly three occasions, the machine would not reboot; and, since I 
had no
speech, I got sighted help and ultimately resorted to a system 
restore to an

earlier date.


I vaguely remember seeing a post, possibly on this list, that this 
problem
is peculiar to some HP computers.  So if there is either a fix or a 
reliable

work around, please provide the specifics.


Thanks in advance.


Don Roberts


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Questions about Weather or not

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I wanted to mention that the weather or not app did not automatically 
update. /I had to update it manually.  This is the first time that I've 
seen this behavior when W E apps are updated./


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/8/2016 1:22 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
It Is just a Window-Eyes app. As you can see though, it needs a little 
reworking. But what it does, it does sufficiently.

On 5/8/2016 10:13 AM, joseph weakland via Talk wrote:

does this weather alo8ud use sapi5 or is it a wineyes app
- Original Message - From: "William Vandervest via Talk"

To: "Larry Higgins" ; "Window-Eyes
Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Some questions about Weather Aloud



i hav mine setup to give the temp in both formats, but it gives the
same numbers for both, is there a way to fix this?





timelor...@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 2:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Some questions about Weather Aloud

To the app writers at AISquared, I wrote yesterday to shout my praises
of the new Weather Aloud, and indeed, I do like its new presentation of
the temperature and what it actually feels like with the wind chill, if
you actually can call it that in the middle of spring time. However, 
I'm

wondering if there are any plans to restore the readings for humidity
and barometric pressure in an upcoming edition of the app?

OK, I guess I could just tune into my local NOAA station for that kind
of information, but it was nice to have that information at hand as an
option. Who knows, maybe it is there, and I just haven't located it in
the app's settings, although I have looked high and low for them 
.


It is really good to have it back, even without these elements.

Keep up the good work,

Larry
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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead and 
upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you have 
some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10.  I'm 
running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: Weather or Not

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Weather or not stopped working before the Windows enhanced app update.  
As I said in an earlier post, I think that NOAA has changed something in 
the way an app must obtain data.  Our local repeater is having the same 
problem with NOAA.  Cortana, Amazon echo and my android phone all get 
their weather info from a private weather server and they are working.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/27/2016 7:25 AM, gosselin_louis via Talk wrote:

Yesterday morning, when I booted up, there was an update announcement issued
for one of the Win-Eyes Apps, and my Weather or not app has not been working
since.  The weather details are the first things I look at every morning.

Loouis



-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:04 PM
To: 'Whizza' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Weather or Not

I think this may have stopped working at the same time as the Windows
Enhanced app was released here.

Is that a coincidence?



Regards, John

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Weather or not definitely not working here since last night.  I'm in the UK.

Cheers,
Sandra.

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Weather or not app not working

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

The weather or not app is still not working.  We've had the same problem 
on our local repeater and I believe that NOAA has changed the way that 
automated scripts can get access to the weather info.




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FaceBook picture descriptions

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


After I heard that Facebook was rolling out their AI picture description 
feature, I'm wondering if that can be used on a PC or is it just 
available on an I phone right now.  Do you have to do something to turn 
those descriptions on?



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Three beeps when I'm booting up my computer

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Chris,


My Windows 10 computer does not beep when I'm shutting it down, but 
every once and a while I get three ascending beeps when the computer is 
booting up before W E loads.  What does that mean?


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/20/2016 9:28 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

When you shut the computer down, you are moved to the secure desktop.  The copy 
of Window-eyes that was running gets shut down and it reloads to read the 
secure desktop (like the login prompt.)  The computer is shutting down and 
Window-eyes doesn't have enough time to attach itself to the  video driver, so 
you hear the beeps.

There is one way to stop this from happening  but the disadvantages out way the 
annoyance of hearing the beeps IMHO.

Go to general/start up/set startup options and uncheck run Window-eyes at the 
login screen.
Doing this you will not get the password prompt read, if you don't have a 
password, you might say big deal.  You will not get the  Windows updates 
message read either, so if your computer is doing Windows updates and it 
reboots a couple of times, you will not be aware of this and you may think your 
computer is crashed or not doing something.
Chris

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:21 AM
To: 'Larry Higgins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Three beeps swhen shutting down computer, what do they mean, and 
what can I do to get rid of them

Larry.  I am unable to answer your question concerning why Windows 10 users
now hear three descending tones when shutting down their computers.  Chris
Grabowski has explained this issue over the phone to me, however, that
doesn't mean I remember his explanation.  Chris, a memory refresh would be
great!  The answer to your question of what can be done to fix the issue is
nothing, well, not yet, anyway.  I am used to the ascending beeps and boops
by now, whether I like them or not.

Mike M.

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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 3:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Three beeps swhen shutting down computer, what do they mean, and
what can I do to get rid of them

Dear listers,

Still a few fun and games I suppose after the W10 upgrade. I am
getting three descending beeps (beep, bop, boot), when I go to shut down my
computer. As I was given to understand when these beeps were ascending, it
might have had something to do with the video card. At that time, I was also
having issues with WE accessing and making use of my apps, and went through
the drastic step of a system restore. Now since I only upgraded last
Saturday afternoon, I don't think that it would benefit me much to do that,
because If I did, I might end up with a pre Windows 10 environment, or would
I?

I suppose that if this is really nothing to be concerned about, especially
if it happens on exit, then I wont, but it is a bit disconcerting to hear
these kind of things just popping up for no known or logical reason.

Any help in solving this little puzzle will be greatly appreciated,

Larry
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Re: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question or two

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Larry,


That's how I upgraded the computers around here.  I used the media 
creation tool which is available from Microsoft.  I deleted the file 
after upgrading all of the computers, but just search for it on the 
Microsoft.com site.  I didn't download the Windows 10 installation file 
on a flash drive, just put the creation tool file on a flash drive and 
let each computer download its own copy of the installation file, it 
didn't take that long, only about an hour or so to download the file.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/16/2016 7:58 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


Michael,

Do you remember where you found the media tool, and if so, where.

I really don't mind waiting a bit for my download, but I really don't 
appreciate having no indication as to if the download is even taking 
place. I see  no indication that any vestige of the file has been 
downloaded anywhere, not even in the temp folder. I've checked the 
temp folder by using the run command, and typing temp. I guess that is 
the right way to go about it, as well as the proper folder to be 
looking for files in the process of being created or in this case, 
downloaded. Of course, I keep my eye on the download folder as well.


Who knows, my frustrations may be over nothing. I mean, this may be 
normal behavior for the upgrade process, but I just don't understand 
why a download process should go so slow, that is if it is going at all.


Anyway, I guess that is enough ranting for one message.

But again Michael, if you could tell me just where to go to find that 
tool, or how to look for it, that might be the answer.


Just hope I have a flash drive big enough for the download. I think it 
is supposed to be something like 3gb?


Thanks,

Larry

On 4/16/2016 4:58 AM, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote:

Hi I gave up doing it that way my down load was so slow.
I down loaded a microsoft media tool that makes a windows 10 folder 
on a flash drive then install it from that much faster.

Cheers Michael.

-----Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 9:52 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a 
question or two


Larry,

If the download is still showing 0 percent, close that download and
start the download  from the beginning again.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/15/2016 7:08 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
It may have been downloaded already. Or your network is really slow. 
Or the questions are appearing in a different dialog box than the 
one that acts like a web browser. Alt-Tab around and see what else 
is happening.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question 
or two


Listers,

Maybe this has been thoroughly covered in previous discussions, but if
so, it has been missed by me.

I have been in the process of upgrading to Windows 10 since around
7:30pm yesterday evening, and it is now a little after 4am, and I am
still getting the words when tabbing through the page "Starting
Download" and "loading," but no apparent movement in the process.

I elected to download rather than install, because I thought that
downloading would give me a better chance of scheduling when the
installation and upgrade would take place, hopefully at a time more
convenient for me. Was this indeed the right choice?

I realize that this process can take a day or two to complete
altogether, but not getting any feedback or indication of action is a
bit disconcerting to say the least.

Thanks for any help with all of this in advance. I am just a bit
apprehensive about this upgrade to begin with, but this waiting with no
apparent time table is making me a bit crazy .

Thanks again, and am looking forward to working with W10 when it indeed
actually presents itself for installation.

Larry
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Re: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question or two

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Larry,

If the download is still showing 0 percent, close that download and 
start the download  from the beginning again.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/15/2016 7:08 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
It may have been downloaded already. Or your network is really slow. 
Or the questions are appearing in a different dialog box than the one 
that acts like a web browser. Alt-Tab around and see what else is 
happening.




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-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question or two

Listers,

Maybe this has been thoroughly covered in previous discussions, but if
so, it has been missed by me.

I have been in the process of upgrading to Windows 10 since around
7:30pm yesterday evening, and it is now a little after 4am, and I am
still getting the words when tabbing through the page "Starting
Download" and "loading," but no apparent movement in the process.

I elected to download rather than install, because I thought that
downloading would give me a better chance of scheduling when the
installation and upgrade would take place, hopefully at a time more
convenient for me. Was this indeed the right choice?

I realize that this process can take a day or two to complete
altogether, but not getting any feedback or indication of action is a
bit disconcerting to say the least.

Thanks for any help with all of this in advance. I am just a bit
apprehensive about this upgrade to begin with, but this waiting with no
apparent time table is making me a bit crazy .

Thanks again, and am looking forward to working with W10 when it indeed
actually presents itself for installation.

Larry
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Re: Edge?

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,

I've had no luck with Microsoft's Edge browser, and I sure wish I could 
use it as I really like the layout of the news app in Windows 10, but 
that app uses edge technology and though I can read all of the buttons 
with story headlines, I can not read the story when I click on that 
headline.  I Contacted the Microsoft Accessibility line and their only 
answer was that they are still working on their Edge technology to make 
it accessible.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/28/2016 5:31 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
Hi there Group!Was wondering if there was any info on making W.E. 
compadible with the Edge browser?  I find it works okay, but haven't 
really tried it out under more than simply opening a few pages.  It 
appears to be okay so far.  So am wondering what the actual issue is 
with it?   THANKS de

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Re: I have had enough

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Chris,

I agree with you.  I haven't had that many Windows 10 updates and they 
have never stopped me from doing anything.  When you go to shutdown, you 
might get a notification asking if you want to update and shutdown or 
just shutdown.  I always pick the update and shutdown option, and my 
Wife always picks the shutdown only option so that I have to catch her 
computer up with updates every once and a while.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/23/2016 7:47 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Hi
I'm a bit confused, as my room mate just got a windows 10 laptop, and 
I've not noticed any updates several times a day which interrupts her 
use of the laptop.   It does update itself overnight which makes sense 
because she's not using it then. I do remember one time that it 
updated itself in the background, but it didn't request a restart to 
save any changes. I'm ok with that. Is this the case with windows 10 
itself?If it does update and interrupts your use of it I hope 
there's a way to change that.




On 3/23/2016 5:37 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Thanks for your reply John.

Yes, I have noticed this and take particular care which updates are 
checked for download and installation.  The monthly updates are a bit 
of a battle between the user and Microsoft it seems.


Cheers
Neville.




On 23/03/2016 7:29 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello Neville,

Please also take care about what Microsoft brings in at update time.

You may well find that it will slip in the upgrade to Windows 10 as an
optional upgrade. This is pre-checked and will need to be unchecked 
on each

occasion if you want to prevent it.

You could probably stop this, but as Microsoft seem to change its name
occasionally it will only creep back into the optional upgrade list.



Regards, John

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Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:30 AM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: I have had enough

Thanks to those who replied to my email about stopping W10 upgrading my
system from W7.

The programme has been downloaded, run and the problem stopped.

Cheers
Neville.



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Re: I have had enough

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,

I'm running Windows 10 on three computers in our home.  I am not seeing 
this constant update problem that others here are reporting. The last 
windows update was over a week ago and did not cause any problems on any 
of our computers.  Don't live your life by fear!  I look forward to the 
future!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/22/2016 12:58 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:

I cannot help you but wanted to chime in here.  Be careful when messing around 
with that link.  Supposedly if you accidently click on it, there is no turning 
back. This info comes from Microsoft itself.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:01 AM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: I have had enough

Hi Listers,


I have had enough doing battle with Windows 10 wanting to update my
system every couple of hours. So, it is time to stop it in its tracks
before I loose my cool.

A couple of weeks ago there was mention of a file in two formats to deal
with this pest.  I thought I had saved the messages to a safe place but
now can't locate them.

Could someone please post the info once again so I can deliver this pest
a mortal blow.


Also some details on how to use the file would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Neville.
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Re: Disabling Cortana

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi Debra,

Disabling Cortana is easy.  Just hit your windows key and in the search 
box tyep "cortana settings" and hit enter.  You can turn cortana on or 
off and also turn off the always listening mode.  I have Cortana 
running, but I turned off the always listening mode because Cortana had 
too many false trips.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/15/2016 5:31 AM, Debra hernstrom via Talk wrote:

Hi, is there a way to start and stop cortana sp. from the keybard. It is 
running on my machine and i want to stop it and start it manually. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone
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News app can't read stories

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,

I've just started using the Microsoft news app in Windows 10 and I can 
read the story buttons which are described with the title of the news 
story.  If I activate the story button that I want to read, a window 
opens up but I can't read it.  If I use virtual view and its OCR, I can 
read the first sentence of the story and that's all. What am I doing wrong?


--

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Re: 9.4 Upgrade

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I have done the 9.4 upgrade on my laptop and desktop.  On my laptop, I 
did the automatic upgrade and setup did take a long time to start 
without any speech, but setup eventually completed normally.  On my 
desktop, I downloaded the file from the GW web site and the upgrade 
seemed to proceed much faster.


I feel that the 9.4 upgrade is much more responsive and I'm glad that I 
upgraded!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 3/10/2016 12:26 PM, Danny via Talk wrote:
Congratulation's I'm glad all went well for you.  I did the upgrade 
from the automatic upgrade prompt on both a Win 10 and Win 7 on 2 
different machines and had no speech after the download even after 
waiting for awhile.  But never fear it is done and all is running.  
This is the first time I have any problems with an install maybe just 
a fluke.


Danny

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 1:12 PM
To: Danny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: 9.4 Upgrade

Why would you need NVDA to install a new version of Window-eyes? It
should talk you through the entire instal process, both while upgrading,
and afterwords when the system reboots and installs all the default
apps. you shouldn't need another screenreader unless your system is set
up differently.









On 3/9/2016 1:18 PM, Danny via Talk wrote:
 Well I got the upgrade done thanks to NVDA.  I did the upgrade 
when prompted after a shutdown and startup and once the download 
reached 100 percent and just kept repeating that I pressed enter 
which was on the uac yes button then was able to bring up NVDA and 
have speech for the remainder of the upgrade.  After the restart all 
seems to be working well.


Danny
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Re: Possible solution to slow computer and crashes

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

another solution is to simply upgrade for free to Windows 10.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/29/2016 2:28 PM, Manny via Talk wrote:

Hi to all,
My computer was very slow today,
Using processor explorer, I found the culprit, and I googled the 
culprit, and below is copy of how to fix the problem.--

  copy:
"In Windows 7, when running audio or video player software, CPU usage 
will reach above 80% instantly. This phenomenon is caused by " 
audiodg.exe " process. Sometimes, high CPU usage by this process might 
lead to fake crash. Here is a solution to this problem:


1. Right-click "Speakers" icon in the taskbar and then select 
"Playback devices"
2 . Under "Playback" tab, right-click "Speakers", and select 
"Properties".
3. Click on " Enhancements" tab under "Speakers Properties". Check " 
Disable all e enhancements " checkbox .




By the above steps, you could resolve the problem that " audiodg .exe" 
process hosts high CPU usage and prevent your machine from slow 
running and fake crash."

  Stay well,
Manny

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Re: Update Warning

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

I just can't figure out why so many are afraid of Windows 10.  You can 
update to windows 10 for free until July 17 of this year.  After that, 
it will cost $100.00.  Windows 10 is much faster and more secure that 
Windows 7 and easier to use and faster than windows 8 and 8.1.


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Re: Dan is retiring

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Dan,

I wish you the very best in your retirement.  I will miss the excellent 
support that you have offered at AI Squared and other companies.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/11/2016 12:39 PM, Dan Weirich via Talk wrote:

I am retiring.

My career in the Assistive Technology industry started in the late 80's, working for 
Computer Aids Corp. for a couple years, where I met Doug Geoffray.  Then I partnered 
with Doug to launch GW Micro in 1990 which operated for 24 years, followed by our 
merging into Ai Squared in 2014.  So now, after almost 28 years in the AT industry, 
it's time for me to take a break.  I will be retired from Ai Squared after this week. 
 No worries - the rest of the Fort Wayne office and staff will continue as normal - 
whatever normal means .

I'm not very active on this list but I look at many of the posts and I know 
many of your names even if we rarely talk on the phone or meet in person.  I 
will continue to support Ai Squared and if the opportunity presents itself who 
knows - I might come back for a few special projects from time to time.  Thank 
you very much for your support and friendship.

One thing I understand - this industry is very different from all others.  The 
people I know not only want to stay active, employed or stay in business but 
they also want to make the world a better place by providing quality products 
and services.  You should all be proud of whatever contribution you personally 
make.

Thank you all again for your friendship and loyalty over the many years.

Take care,

Dan

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AI Squared
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Re: A Windows10 Setting May Be A Problem

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

It's easy to change the default browser in Windows 10.  Just hit your 
windows key and that will pop up a search box.  Type in default browser 
and hit enter and when you hit your tab key you should hear the current 
default browser.  If you want to change to another browser, just enter 
on the current default and you can then tab through your browser 
choices.  Just hit enter on the one you want to be your new default, and 
your done.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/9/2016 10:35 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's how to create a desktop shortcut and/or hot key on Windows 10
1. Open the cortana search box.
2. Start typing Internet Explorer until it appears.
3. Press the Application key to open the context menu.
4. Activate "Open file location".
5. You'll land on the shortcut to IE in the Start menu folder.
6. You can either open the context menu, Properties, and add a 
shortcut key, or, open the context menu, Send to, Desktop (create 
shortcut). Then you can add a shortcut to the desktop item via 
Properties in the context menu.


Hth,
Tom



On 2/9/2016 9:08 AM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote:

This sounds rather to be not very user friendly. The other method wasn't
broken, so why did MS, in their wisdom, fix it?



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 7:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A Windows10 Setting May Be A Problem

You can press the Windows key, and when Cortana comes up, type 
Internet, and


this will probably point you to IE. But a better way is to find out 
where IE


is on your taskbar. If it is the fourth item from the left, for 
example, you


can type the combination Windows-4 (the 4 is on the number row) and 
IE will
start up. Or you can press Windows-T, use the arrow keys to move 
right or
left to Internet Explorer, then the context-menu key to open a jump 
list for


I E. You can up or down arrow through the jump list and open 
frequently used


websites using I E. Same methodology can be used for Firefox, the 
Windows

file explorer, or other programs that you pin to the taskbar.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 6:20 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A Windows10 Setting May Be A Problem

Thank you so much, I think I can find it. But a quick question I have 
is, is


there a hockey to bring up Internet explore. I can't seem to put it 
on my
desktop. Thank you so much, I probably have just missed the setting 
in the
manual. That's what happens when you get old :-) old shock in 
Columbus Ohio


Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 9, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk
 wrote:

Hi:
I was getting some focus problems in desktop and in internet explorer,
sometimes the up and down arrow keys would stop working in the 
middle of

reading or a read to end.
I found out there is a Windows10 setting that will automatically pop 
up a
window from time to time that is pretty much inaccessible and 
doesn't even

read, no title bar and you cant route the mouse to it - it just \seems
nothing is there.
Using narrator I would hear "Send us feedback" when it would pop up but
nothing with Windoweyes.
There is a setting that allows us to turn off this automatic request 
from

Microsoft to send them feedback and I found it and turned it off.
After a couple of days now the problems seemingly are much better.
It still happens but not nearly as frequently.
My guess there is something else automatically happening to cause 
focus to
jump around and sometimes end up in the task bar but I havent found 
that

one
yet.
So if you are having this type of problem find the setting to turn 
off the

automatic requests for sending Microsoft feedback and set it to never.
You can still send them feedback but you wont get asked many times each
day
to do it and this nasty inaccessible window wont pop up - or at 
least not

so
often.
I forget how I got to it, I was just following some google posting 
but if

you cant find it easily I will go back and find out how to get to it.
Rick USA

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Re: Thunderbird

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Jim,

Closing W E does not fix the problem for me.  The only way I can get the 
arrow keys to work again with W E and thunder bird is to close and 
restart thunder bird.  If I'm working on something, I have to close W E 
and switch to NVDA.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/6/2016 2:40 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
Bob, when I have that problem, I simply unload W.E. and restart it and 
the problem goes away.  P.S. I haven't had this problem for a very 
long time.  Also, I am still using w.E. 9.1.  I will see if I have 
this same issue once I upgrade my W.E.?  Jus my observations. Thanks & 
Have A Great Day! de

.

On 06-Feb-16 13:46, bob jutzi via Talk wrote:
Exactly my problem which drives me nuts. In fact, one of many reasons 
I am considering making the jump to NVDA.

On 2/6/2016 8:19 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:

I often have trouble composing messages. In fact, as I write this one,
I can't cursor over the characters I just typed.  I just get a beep
tone.--Matthew Chao



On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:

I do not seem to have any problems with Thunderbird when composing or
reading messages.  Rick

On 2/4/2016 5:44 PM, Terry Chaney via Talk wrote:
Is it me, or is the editor in Thunder Bird getting harder and 
harder to

work with?
Terry Chaney
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