Re: window eyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

I  STILL have WE on my Win10 computers as a backup screen reader and it 
still works quite well. In a few cases it will work better than JAWS. Being 
it has not been updated in 4or 5 years, shows how great  a screen reader WE 
was.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Long via Talk" 

To: 
Cc: "Dennis Long" 
Sent: Fr\iday, March 19, 2021 3:06 AM
Subject: window eyes



How is WE performing these days?  I would expect it to have issues with
Windows 10.  Is this the case?  It was a very good screen reader.



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Re: JAWS and Eloquence

[Loy Green via Talk]

This has not really bothered me. I turned on WE and did notice the 
difference. I also tried NVDA with Eloquence and it is like JAWS with no 
pauses. Maybe it was WE that changed Eloquence to have the pauses?
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Higgins via Talk" 
To: "WindowEyes List" 
Cc: "Larry Higgins" 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: JAWS and Eloquence


Listers,

I know that this is a list devoted to our beloved Window-Eyes, and
die-hards like you and me, so excuse having to bring up the fish.

As it is, I am an occasional user of said screen reader, but for me
there has been a major turnoff since the very first time I
attempted to befriend the thing . It goes as follows. And I
really hope that some of you have dealt with this issue successfully.

It would seem that the folks who write the codes for JAWS have chosen to
muck with their version of the Eloquence synthesizer, and by doing so,
have messed up the pacing of it's delivery.

The problem as I have experienced it is the matter of how Eloquence
manages sentences. Instead of an appropriate pausing between sentences,
JAWS Eloquence takes no pause at all for periods, but continues in a
kind of blue streak affect that doesn't give one even enough
time to digest the sentence as its own entity, you might say.

I definitely prefer WE's pacing when it comes to sentences in
particular. I'm not talking about a pregnant pause between sentences
like you would get if you set it up to make such pauses, but a more
natural pause in the manner of the Window-Eyes presentation.


I hope this is all making sense, but it seems to me that some of you
Eloquence users might know just what I am talking about, and also how to
solve the problem. But who knows, maybe JAWS has simply created through
their own version of Eloquence this issue,
and that their is no solution at all other than a slight rewrite of
their code which I'm sure I would have to move heaven and earth to
convince them to do.

Speaking of code, when I use my Code Factory Eloquence, the sentence
pacing is correct, but they have their speed settings such that it goes
a step either above or below my preferred reading level.
I don't consider myself to be a total slow-poke when it comes to
reading, though I like to set my reading speed at 41 when using
Window-Eyes, a leisurely pace for me, but I am not quite sure of the
exact speed that WE would indicate if they had been using Code Factory
as their default version of Eloquence.

Anyway, if some kind user would please tell me if indeed there is or is
not a solution for this, and for me anyway, major issue, I would really
appreciate hearing from you.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to get serious about learning JAWS, as
my yearly subscription started in September of last year, but WE is
still working reasonably for the apps I most often use, though less and
less so it seems with each new update. But, I'm going to have to decide
if it is worth paying that annual subscription fee to maintain it, or
start focusing on NVDA or Narrator as my screen reader of choice.

A big thanks in advance for any advice you all might have on this issue,


Larry

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Re: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

[Loy Green via Talk]

You did not state the problem you are having with JAWS and Eloquence.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Bryan Peterson" 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification


I hope you can get a response of better quality. I unfortunately can’t help 
you, because while I do use JAWS these days, I almost exclusively use the 
Vocalizer Expressive voices.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:57 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
>
> I still hope that someone can share their experience with JAWS Eloquence.
>
>
> What I wish to note is that I brought this issue up on the JFW List a few 
> months ago, and received no satisfactory suggestions on the issue, and the 
> attitude I was faced with was more or less learn to live with it, or even 
> those who denied the problem altogether. That is why I chose to bring it 
> here, just hoping that a fellow Window-Eyes user might be in a position to 
> offer some advice.
>
>
> Just thought you might appreciate knowing my reasons for choosing to post 
> my inquiry here.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Larry
>
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

I primarily use JAWS, but still have WE 9.5.4 installed on Windows 2004 Pro 
and still use it for some things.eyes.com>
To: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
Cc: "Donald L. Roberts" 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4


Rod, thanks so much for the update. I assume that you mean 20.04 when
you use the term the latest version of Windows 10.


I do have a question. I am running Windows 10, a recent version of
1909. Whenever I attempt to run the Window-eyes app for Duxbury, I get
a script error whenever I hit Alt F3 to turn on coded view which
displays the Duxbury codes within the text. If you are familiar with
this app, will it work correctly in 20.04?


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 9/3/2020 7:51 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
> uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
> On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is 
> no longer true.
> Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
> A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that 
> they had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
> No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being 
> very surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old 
> Window-Eyes server.
> I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
> server was not active.
> My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping 
> Window-Eyes working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
> I am one of those who need it.
> I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the 
> connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and 
> virtual machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
> Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or 
> NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, 
> and so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
> Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email 
> in Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
> Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office 
> product.
> The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to 
> allow me to read and write in Outlook.
> So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.
>
> Take good care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk" 
>  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>  I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
>  worse each day. To day it's useless.
>
>  Window-Eyes 9.5.4
>
>  Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?
>
>  When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
>  installing it with no apps.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Tom
>
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Re: A Question Or Two

[Loy Green via Talk]

I was a long time user of Window Eyes, WE 9.5.4 will somewhat work with 
Win10. But no earlier versions of WE. I got JAWS free when WE was sold. I 
started using JAWS then and kept WE and would use it sometimes.WE actually 
works best on a few sites even now, but not well on others. There is also a 
good free screen reader NVDA. I keep all three screen readers installed but 
mostly use JAWS now. Going from 8.4 to 10 should not be hard to learn. 
Microsoft disability probably would help you or you can down load the 
Windows Upgrade assistant and do it yourself. Original Message - 
From: "Nick Sarames via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Nick Sarames" 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:42 PM
Subject: A Question Or Two


So I'm still procrastinating. I'm currently using the latest Window--eyes 
and the that precedes Windows 10 (maybe it's Windows 8.4?). If I knew for 
certain that WE is reasonably compatible with Windows 10 but my concern is 
that WE won't work at all. I guess my question is, is it more difficult to 
learn Jaws or Windows 10? Should I download Jaws before worrying about 
Windows 10? I really don't do much more than surfing and e-mailing, and 
the occasional ordering of food and miscellaneous products. Also, is it 
possible for the Michrosoft Disabilities desk to install Windows 10 using 
remote assist, and if so, would you recommend it?


If you would prefer e-mailing me privately, feel free.

nicksara...@msn.com

Thanks in advance.

Nick Sarames
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Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

Below is a link I found that you are supposed to be able to download a demo 
copy, I went there and clicked on the download link and Windows blocked the 
download, said it would damage computer.

http://gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Demo/
- Original Message - 
From: "David via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "David" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes



Interesting. I just had a quick look. Going to

 gwmicro.com

It sure looked like the site is still up. Yet, I did find nowhere to
download anything but some tutorials, and a number of videos. Well, and
then the App Central. Why I still wonder exactly which website the
assumed demo version would have been attempted downloaded from.

If the user still knows the address where the download was attempted,
either retry the download and see if the file comes out with a more
trusty size, or try search the net for another download. Of course,
someone might have a demo sitting around, Does the Office version even
work any longer? Or is all that lane closed, after the cooperation
discontinued? I did not have any demos here, only my purchased versions.

David

On 2/25/2020 12:53 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Loy Green
> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
>
> That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom
Scientific
> purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
> Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former
> user.- Original Message -
> From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 
> To: 
> Cc: "Armando Vias" 
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
> Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
>
>
>> Hey all.
>>
>> This is my first post.
>>
>> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says
that it
>> is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is
>> corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?
>>
>> Armando
>>
>>
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Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

Most of the download links are not active.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sky Mundell via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: "Sky Mundell" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes



Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom 
Scientific

purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former
user.- Original Message - 
From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 

To: 
Cc: "Armando Vias" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes



Hey all.

This is my first post.

For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it
is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is
corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?

Armando


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Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom Scientific 
purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former 
user.- Original Message - 
From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 

To: 
Cc: "Armando Vias" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes



Hey all.

This is my first post.

For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it 
is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is 
corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?


Armando


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Re: Windows 10 build

[Loy Green via Talk]

windows key and type winver

- Original Message - 
From: "Martha via Talk" 

To: 
Cc: "Martha" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:56 AM
Subject: Windows 10 build



Hi folks.

Slightly off-topic, but, can someone remind me how to find out what
build is running on my Windows 10 PC?

Martha


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Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in settings 
you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - 
From: "madl--- via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of 
the

tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or 
JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create 
this

issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On 
Behalf

Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought 
this

will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit 
the

control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when 
I

least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the 
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the 
row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need 
to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability 
to

type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard
over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if 

Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Loy Green via Talk]

I am liking it. It has much improved. Microsoft has hired some of the people 
from GWMicro who now are working in accessibility.
- Original Message - 
From: "Brenda via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Brenda" 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?


I would like to know what window eyes users think of narrator with windows 
10. I know it is never going to replace window eyes but it sure seems 
pretty decent, and I’m liking it better than Jaws. Just wondering what 
other people think.

Brenda

Dictated and sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:


I still use window-eyes and when I can't use n v d a.  There a few 
strange things that show up with window-eyes that don't with n v d a. 
Still by far my favorite.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:


Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT 
ALWAYS

ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to 
completely

part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

ation problem, not retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for 
Window-Eyes for Office 9.5.4.


Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall 
would fix a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a 
WE for office version.


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Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

Diagnostics does not always appear under apps. I have forgotten why. I just 
checked my installation of retail version and it is not there either.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bernie Perella via Talk" 

To: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
Cc: "Bernie Perella" 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue



Hi Rod, I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item. Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in 
order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow 
keys to move around in.

Apps is definitely one of the menus.
Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
Diagnostics menu.


Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod, thank you for your help so far. I tried going to the WE cotrol 
panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu. What do you 
think? I have show advanced options checked under the help menu. Bernie


On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.

In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
repair the licence for your Office suite.
You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo 
mode.

See if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
certificate has been revoked. I checked the certificate and found
that indeed it has expired. then I found another installation file
for WE 9.2.0. I did run that file after checking that its certificate
had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed. Then used
my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed. However, I am
still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode. Still looking
for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation. Thnks
again to those who have responded. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked 
the fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
problem, not retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for 
Window-Eyes for Office 9.5.4.


Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-----
From: Talk

On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would 
fix a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for 
office version.


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Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
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Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Loy Green via Talk]

The latest version of Narrator in Windows 1903 is very good. It has gotten 
me through some things that JAWS could not.
- Original Message - 
From: "David via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" ; 


Cc: "David" 
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility



Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
them.


Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped
with it for the next 5 or 10 years.


My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow
working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much
more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95
a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic
scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month.


I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to
see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years.
Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot.
And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer,
which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence,
whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet,
will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well
as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen
readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and
Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by
Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this,
why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they
doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not
the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple
has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected
them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think
MS will be doing different?


Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just
meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it
is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price,
noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their software to
be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry cannot charge
you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to leave you the
license for turning on your computer. Why we see more and more
subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of the Windows
license soon will be higher than the price of buying just a brand new
computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it for two or
three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw it away and go
get yourself a new one. Or, like Office, make people pay you a fortune
over the life-span of the product, by charging them that little each
month, that they do not know you are draining their bank account.


As an interesting side-track here, might I take the opportunity to tell
you all something from locally?

You know, some cellphone operators offer you a mid-range phone, for a
quite reduced price. Only fish-hook of it all, you have to subscribe for
a given service, for the next 24 months or something of that sort. Over
here, the authorities have decided that when they advertise for this
kind of products, they will have to show you the GRAND TOTAL, phone
price and all the months subscription costs summed up. And they have to
do this right there in the advertisement. When you sit down and look at
it, it often turns out the deal is not good at all. You thought you got
a cheap phone, and perhaps you did. But they knew to charge you the
price-reduction and all interests plus a good deal more, through your
*tiny* little monthly subscriptions.


Will be interesting to see what happens to Narrator. Another thing of
course is, that some rumors want 

Re: window eyes changed to demo

[Loy Green via Talk]

you should be able to reinstall. I never had to register.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo


It is a privately owned copy of we and not the free version.  It may be 
that there  is no simple solution to thiss problem.  Ron Denis




-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

Was it a Windows Eyes for Office or a copy  purchased?


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo


my old netbook suddwnly changed from full model to demo. tried to 
register and was told file does not exist.   open to any suggestions of 
how to regain registered status.

Ron Denis
rs_de...@bellsouth.net
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key 
is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
the

current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will 
be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
is.

Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


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 wrote:


> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
> another?

> Kevin Huber
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Re: window eyes changed to demo

[Loy Green via Talk]

Was it a Windows Eyes for Office or a copy  purchased?


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo


my old netbook suddwnly changed from full model to demo. tried to register 
and was told file does not exist.   open to any suggestions of how to 
regain registered status.

Ron Denis
rs_de...@bellsouth.net
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key 
is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the
current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will 
be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
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> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
> another?

> Kevin Huber
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Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Loy Green via Talk]

After seeing your message I looked on my Fusion 2018 and Fusion 2019 CD's and 
Window Eyes was not on either. I was hoping that it was.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: Sky Mundell 
  Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:36 PM
  Subject: RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.


  Hi Tom. Great points you bought up. However, something has puzzled me. I
  have a friend who uses the JAWS version of Zoom text Fusion and I looked at
  the contents of her CD and Window-Eyes is defenatly on the Zoomtext Fusion
  for JAWS CD.

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:32 AM
  To: Sky Mundell via Talk
  Cc: Tom Kingston
  Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

  Sky,
  What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
  runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
  integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the 
  magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a 
  pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But 
  the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
  So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never 
  see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
  Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way 
  the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is 
  just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for 
  every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a 
  convenient method to tweak things.
  Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
  Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it 
  gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
  Regards,
  Tom


  On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
  I
  > was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
  > the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
  > code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
  so
  > then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
  the
  > whole code. Something to think about.
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
  > To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
  > Cc: Tom Kingston
  > Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
  > 
  > Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
  > Tom
  > 
  > 
  > On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
  >> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
  >>
  >> thank you for this.
  >>
  >> Curtis Delzer
  >> HS
  >> W B 6 H E F
  >> Rialto, CA
  >>
  >> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
  >>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
  >>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
  >>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
  >>> Here's the download link.
  >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
  >>> Regards,
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Re: Weather or not issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have previously entered 
still work.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Higgins via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: Larry Higgins 
  Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
  Subject: Weather or not issue


  OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for 
  my problem, but here goes anyway.


  Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list 
  of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the 
  city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something 
  along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. 
  It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same 
  error message.


  Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


  Hopefully,


  Larry

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Re: Jaws List?

[Loy Green via Talk]

I have been a long time user of WE as well and still use it a  lot, but also am 
using JAWS. It took me a while to learn. Here is subscription address for one 
of the JAWS users groups.
jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Ringwald via Talk 
  To: Talk 
  Cc: Robert Ringwald 
  Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:38 PM
  Subject: Jaws List?


  I finally succumbed. Since WE is no longer supported, I figured that I had 
  better get Jaws while the gettin' is good.

  Since I had the latest version of WE with 2 SMAs, I got Jaws for free.

  What is the email list for Jaws?

  -Bob Ringwald 


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Re: Mail Client

[Loy Green via Talk]

I use the runasxp version of Outlook express, I love it. The only problem with 
it is you have to reinstall it after a major upgrade to Windows 10.
  - Original Message - 
  From: David via Talk 
  To: WE English Mailinglist 
  Cc: David 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
  Subject: Mail Client


  Listers,

  Could need a bit of info here.


  As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the 
  accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any 
  message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with 
  WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the 
  end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to 
  my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only 
  screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am 
  relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither 
  NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes.


  Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when 
  Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What 
  alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned 
  Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running 
  Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I decide 
  to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? And 
  will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my 
  screen reader?


  Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea as to 
  the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along with a 
  given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great, 
  could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen reader i 
  happen to have up running at any time.


  Oh, and two more questions:

  Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, Annual 
  payment, or Lifetime priced?


  Thanks alot, all of you.


  -- 
  David

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Window Eyes and Zoomtext in windows 10 and IE

[Loy Green via Talk]

I am a long time user of WE. And still use it some. It still works good in a 
lot of applications. But I am having much difficulty using WE and ZT 2018 or 
2019 with screen enhancement on. For example. Using ZT, WE and IE. and trying 
to type into and edit box. It will take several seconds for each letter to 
appear after typing it. I also have this problem with ZT and NVDA and IE. I 
have reported this to ZT support, but they say they have not seen this. They 
probably don't test with NVDA. So I'm Having to use JAWS with ZT when I need ZT.
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Re: Trying to decide

[Loy Green via Talk]

. If you are up to date on your JAWS then the $120 SMA is for  two years of 
upgrades. I use Windows 10 and I never buy virus protection software. The 
Windows defender has served me well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Darrell Bowles 
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: Trying to decide


  Narrator has gotten much better. Problem with it though is if you are going 
to use  chrome, it won't work. You can also take your windows 10 s device out 
of s mode, but you can't return it to s mode  once it's out. As far as JAWS and 
the 90 dollar price tag, it beats  paying $120.00 but it doesn't beat the cost 
of NVDA wich is um, well no cost. 
  I use both JAWS and NVDA for my job, so I use both of them.
  Narrator also works well with he office suite so if you are not going to use 
anything outside of edge and internet explorer, you are good there too.

  Hope this helps,
  Darrell

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Brenda via Talk
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 2:47 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Window Eyes 
Users 
  Cc: Brenda 
  Subject: Trying to decide

  Good afternoon lists,

  There are some really good deals on HSN and QVC for windows 10 laptops as 
well as iPads and Fire tablets.  I'm trying to decide what to do...

   From what I'm finding, Narrator is getting better - does anyone have any 
comments/input?

  There is an HP Stream laptop with Windows S which requires no virus 
protectionAlthough I have a Lenovo Win 10 machine, this deal is very tempting. .

  Jaws is going to be a subscription-based program so I will have to pay $90a 
year to keep it updated. If Narrator works well, it is included in Windows so I 
can use the $90 for other things like maybe Office 360

  The HP laptop with Windows S would also eliminate the cost of antivirus 
software not to mention the issues with accessibility for the antivirus 
programs.

  I am also considering just getting an iPad so I have a back-up if something 
happens to my phone, but then I'd have to back the iPhone and iPad up to 
something so I could move stuff from my phone to the ipad -- I get stressed out 
when I have to deal with that. also, iPads seem to only last a few years before 
 the iPad is no longer ubdateable.

  I really don't want to try to learn how to use a Fire tablet, and I doubt the 
accessibility is as good as Apple or Microsoft

  Just hopeing to get people's thoughts. Really hoping Narrator is working so I 
can lose Jaws. I know NVDA is an option, but that is one more thing to learn 
and why  bother if Narrator has improved enough.

  Thanks for any input,
  brenda
  Still mourning the loss of Window-Eyes in Ashtabula, Ohio

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Re: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

If you just upgraded , the upgrade may have turned down your volume. This 
happened to me when I just upgraded to 1809 on one computer, no problem with 
another computer I have.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Cc: "John Covici" 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803



Hi.  After upgrading to Windows 10 1803, WE is no longer speaking
alt-tab items.  When I do alt-tab and hit tab again I get nothing.

Is anyone else seeing this and any hints as to fixing this problem?

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Re: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

No problem here with 1803 or 1809
- Original Message - 
From: "John Covici via Talk" 

To: 
Cc: "John Covici" 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803



Hi.  After upgrading to Windows 10 1803, WE is no longer speaking
alt-tab items.  When I do alt-tab and hit tab again I get nothing.

Is anyone else seeing this and any hints as to fixing this problem?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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WE, ZT and IE together a problem

[Loy Green via Talk]

Is anyone successfully using the latest version of  ZoomText Magnifier and 
Window Eyes together on Windows 10 in IE. These two always had worked together 
until recently. IE will just not function at all or if it does you can't type 
anything into an edit field successfully. When doing so only part of what I am 
typing appears or something completely different shows. I am assuming that 
there is a conflict between the two at least on my system. In all other 
application they still work together as always. 
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Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Loy Green via Talk]

Right now it will only be available in the fall upgrade of Windows 10 or you 
can get it now if you are an insider.
  - Original Message - 
  From: geodom--- via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: geo...@optonline.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


  But you can only get the new narrator if you are using windows ten, am I 
  right?  Pam.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:54 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Loy Green
  Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

  I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of 
  the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window 
  Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn.  I have looked over the new 
  key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they 
  are more logical  and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking 
  forward to try the new  narrator.
- Original Message - 
From: George Savory via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM
Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:
> But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or
> Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft 
  commands.
>
> On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote:
>> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves
>> or their products.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Tony C
>> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
>> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Tony C
>> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
>> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not 
  speak.
>> I
>> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
>> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can
>> turn
>> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because 
  it
>> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just 
  fine.
>> I
>> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent 
  of
>> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
>> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
>> box.
>> Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You
>> didn't
>> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: CJ MAY
>> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
>>
>> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it 
  would
>> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the 
  Microsoft
>> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went
>> over
>> to Jaws.
>> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws 

Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Loy Green via Talk]

I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of 
the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window Eyes, I 
have found JAWS much harder to learn.  I have looked over the new key commands 
that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they are more logical 
 and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking forward to try the new  
narrator.
  - Original Message - 
  From: George Savory via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: George Savory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM
  Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


  On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:
  > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or
  > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft commands.
  >
  > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote:
  >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves
  >> or their products.  Pam.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
  >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: Tony C
  >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
  >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
  >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
  >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: Tony C
  >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
  >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak.
  >> I
  >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
  >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can
  >> turn
  >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
  >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine.
  >> I
  >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
  >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
  >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
  >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
  >> box.
  >> Pam.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
  >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
  >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  >> Cc: Dennis Long
  >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You
  >> didn't
  >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
  >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
  >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  >> Cc: CJ MAY
  >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
  >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
  >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went
  >> over
  >> to Jaws.
  >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
  >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
  >> operating system.
  >>
  >> Alison
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk  On
  >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
  >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  >> Cc: George Savory 
  >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
  >>
  >> Listers,
  >> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated,
  >> I
  >> am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on
  >> my
  >> iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work
  >> well
  >> with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
  >> screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

[Loy Green via Talk]

The problem is that it will not open. I tried to save it and same thing 
happens. But if I have JAWS  running it will open just fine. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Rod Hutton 
  Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 8:35 PM
  Subject: RE: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


  Hi Loy,

  That is not quite right.
  It could open, but still be protected.
  Is it fully editable with JFW?
  You didn't give many details about your experience, and so all I can do is 
guess.

  Best,

  Rod

  Sent from Outlook for Windows

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: July 2, 2018 7:05 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Loy Green 
  Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

  It's not protected, if it were it would not open under JAWS.
- Original Message - 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


Hi,

If you got the file from the Internet, have you unprotected it first?

Best,

Rod



Sent from my iPod

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Loy Green via Talk 
 wrote:
> 
> Any one else having this problem when opening an excel or Word file in 
Windows 10 while Window Eyes is running. I am getting a message file is 
corrupt. I know it must be WE problem because this doesn't happen when using 
JAWS.
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Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

[Loy Green via Talk]

It's not protected, if it were it would not open under JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Rod Hutton 
  Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


  Hi,

  If you got the file from the Internet, have you unprotected it first?

  Best,

  Rod



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  > On Jul 2, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Loy Green via Talk  
wrote:
  > 
  > Any one else having this problem when opening an excel or Word file in 
Windows 10 while Window Eyes is running. I am getting a message file is 
corrupt. I know it must be WE problem because this doesn't happen when using 
JAWS.
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Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

[Loy Green via Talk]

Any one else having this problem when opening an excel or Word file in Windows 
10 while Window Eyes is running. I am getting a message file is corrupt. I know 
it must be WE problem because this doesn't happen when using JAWS.
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How do we install apps?

[Loy Green via Talk]

How do we install apps that we have downloaded?
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Re: Weather or Not

[Loy Green via Talk]

That is the version that WE show as the one installed. I would be glad to share 
but I don't know where to find the app.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Rod Hutton 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 10:23 AM
  Subject: RE: Weather or Not


  Hi Loy,

  If you have DropBox or some other file sharing service, and can find the 
package, would you be willing to share a link to it for me?

  Thanks,

  Rod

  Sent from Outlook for Windows

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: June 29, 2018 10:12 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Loy Green 
  Subject: Re: Weather or Not

  I have Weather or not 4.0 and it still works. 
- Original Message - 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Weather or Not


Hi Carol,

Yes, I tried it out, and it doesn't yield any weather data for some major 
U.S. cities I tried.
I looked into the code of the app and found that it uses Wunderground for 
its weather data, and, after going to the site and exploring a bit, it seems 
like they don't share weather data freely anymore.
So, perhaps AI Square released an update using another weather service, if 
you can find a newer version. Smile

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Hi Rod,

Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see 
if I have more on another drive.  Carol


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On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, 
could you dsend a link to it for me?
> App Central seems to be down, probably forever.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
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Re: Weather or Not

[Loy Green via Talk]

I have Weather or not 4.0 and it still works. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Rod Hutton 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:38 AM
  Subject: RE: Weather or Not


  Hi Carol,

  Yes, I tried it out, and it doesn't yield any weather data for some major 
U.S. cities I tried.
  I looked into the code of the app and found that it uses Wunderground for its 
weather data, and, after going to the site and exploring a bit, it seems like 
they don't share weather data freely anymore.
  So, perhaps AI Square released an update using another weather service, if 
you can find a newer version. Smile

  Thanks,

  Rod

  Sent from Outlook for Windows

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
  Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Carol and Roger 
  Subject: Re: Weather or Not

  Hi Rod,

  Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see 
  if I have more on another drive.  Carol

  
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmy9mho0ficpb92m%2Fweatherornot3.7.1.wepm%3Fdl%3D0=02%7C01%7C%7C8cbb077f5f284262d93008d5ddb9d547%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636658712565214984=%2FR3XkXt9AEIll9ib90UKtmMNW7mddfJWwxU%2BIrqR%2Bfk%3D=0
  On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
  > Hi,
  >
  > Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, 
could you dsend a link to it for me?
  > App Central seems to be down, probably forever.
  >
  > Many thanks,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > Sent from Outlook for Windows
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WE and IE 11

[Loy Green via Talk]

I am still using Window Eyes and Windows 10. I have noticed that on some sites 
I can't activate a button. Sometimes I can shut down We and then the button 
will activate. This also can happen when ZoomText is running. I can't determine 
if this is a We and ZT problem or just an IE problem. Maybe I need to change to 
FF or chrome. Has other noticed this?
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Re: OT about digital book players

[Loy Green via Talk]

The stream has button
s.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Butch Bussen via Talk 
  To: john schwery via Talk 
  Cc: Butch Bussen 
  Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:50 PM
  Subject: Re: OT about digital book players


  Yep, but isn't this a touch screen?  Not everyone can work those things.
Give me buttons to push any day.
  73
  Butch
  WA0VJR
  Node 3148
  Wallace, ks.


  On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via 
  Talk wrote:

  > Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than the 
  > Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and read Nls 
  > books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to, download and 
  > listen to podcasts.
  >
  > At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:
  >> I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one such 
  >> as the second generation
  >> victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
  >> It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader 
  >> stream
  >> booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
  >> specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
  >> playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
  >> players.
  >> 
  >> With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be 
  >> directly
  >> downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized players
  >> I currently own.
  >> 
  >> With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
  >> downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized players I
  >> currently own.
  >> 
  >> With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do this
  >> with my specialized playrs.
  >> 
  >> With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
  >> unprotected
  >> epub, listen to old time radio shows.
  >> Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks,
  >> DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich
  >> Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple
  >> Keynote, HTML.
  >> What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
  >> bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
  >> I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
  >> booksense
  >> when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
  >> neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
  >> inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
  >> players
  >> I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.
  >> 
  >> With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
  >> audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook can 
  >> be
  >> streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.
  >> 
  >> Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of hundreds
  >> of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases are
  >> prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
  >> literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry and
  >> more in both fiction and non-fiction.
  >> 
  >> The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio books,
  >> as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or genre,
  >> look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are free,
  >> you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no cost.
  >> The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you 
  >> can
  >> start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep timer
  >> for your convenience.
  >> 
  >> To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
  >> http://librivox.bookdesign.biz
  >> 
  >> With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad mini. 
  >> I
  >> can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk pocket, 
  >> I
  >> can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
  >> specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.
  >> 
  >> My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading and
  >> listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.
  >> 
  >> -Original Message- From: BK via Talk
  >> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
  >> To: gw micro
  >> Cc: BK
  >> Subject: OT about digital book players
  >> 
  >> Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
  >> commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
  >> more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.
  >> 
  >> Butch
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Re: A new issue with Thunderbird

[Loy Green via Talk]

Go to view, then layout, there you can check or unchec message pane.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Kingston via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Tom Kingston 
  Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: A new issue with Thunderbird



  It’s in the View menu. I’m on my iPad so I can’t check. I think it’s F8 show 
preview pane.
  Hth,
  Tom

  Dropped from my iDrone

  > On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:
  > 
  > OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I 
can't figure it out .
  > 
  > 
  > For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every time 
I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed this right 
off the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird preventing remote 
content, which comes up far more than I would like.
  > 
  > 
  > How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.
  > 
  > 
  > I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.
  > 
  > 
  > Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this would 
really be appreciated.
  > 
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > 
  > 
  > Larry
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Re: What's Doug up to?

[Loy Green via Talk]

Is Doug working for Microsoft?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Rod Hutton 
  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
  Subject: What's Doug up to?


  Hi everyone,

  I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar for 
software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:

  http://bit.ly/2rHOahI

  Enjoy,

  Rod

  Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Re: Windows 10 1803 update slight weirdness

[Loy Green via Talk]

Yes, I have this since Edge was introduced. Just check to not display again.  
It is letting you know that WE is not compatible with edge.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Norton via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 6:49 PM
  Subject: Windows 10 1803 update slight weirdness


  Hi listers:

  Just updated to the Windows 10 update and WE is still functioning normally.

  There is one minor thing which I would like to see if any of you can verify.

  For some reason, now, when I first start WE, I get the message about
  Microsoft Edge and how to switch browsers.  Usually, this only happens if I
  accidentally try to run Edge.  Now, I get it every time I start WE.  I am
  going to check the "don't show again" box (or what ever it's called) and
  this will stop the message--I'm just curious if anyone else has this
  behavior.

  Thanks!

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:50 AM
  To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  
  Cc: Tony C 
  Subject: Re: `news about jws

  Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no
  diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they charged
  more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided to do the pro
  thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, all they did was
  give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to run in full mode on the
  pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just another way to take more money.

  -Original Message-
  From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
  Subject: RE: `news about jws

  Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
  extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
  were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
  PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
  to get had gone away completely.

  Sincerely,
  Olusegun
  Denver, Colorado

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Window Eyes seems to be working with the Spring Win 10 update

[Loy Green via Talk]

So far WE is working with the new Win 10 update. 
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Re: `news about jws

[Loy Green via Talk]

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only 
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they 
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this 
  > way
  > about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
  > with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
  > treated the way we are.
  > 
  > I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
  > disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
  > copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
  > more.
  > 
  > Live long and prosper, John
  > 
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Re: `news about jws

[Loy Green via Talk]

Haven't heard this either. I just purchase a SMA for Fusion that supposed to 
give me upgrades for two years. A guess you could call a  SMA a type of 
subscription, to keep the latest version you have to pay for an upgrade every 
year.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Likewise, I would like to know where this info came from?

  I'm subscribed to the Freedom Scientific podcast and nothing was said about 
  this in the latest podcast.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Shannon Bartch via Talk
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:29 AM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Cc: Shannon Bartch
  Subject: RE: `news about jws

  Where did you get this news?
  I don't get a news letter.t
  Shannon
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+shannon=bartchroofing@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: bj colt
  Subject: `news about jws

  Hi Folks,

  I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
  become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of
  the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
  interesting how it is going to work?

  I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
  sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

  I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

  Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[Loy Green via Talk]

I've been a WE user since version 4.11 and I am sure there was not two version 
since that version. That was one of their selling points. The price was about 
$200 less than JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Carol and Roger 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE 
  early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of 
  Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the 
  standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the 
  time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The 
  difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same 
  for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.

  Carol


  On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think 
the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of lynn white via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
  > To: bj colt via Talk
  > Cc: lynn white
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  >
  > I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
  > that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
  > but in smaller bites.
  >
  >
  > It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
  > Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
  > the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
  >
  >
  > Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
  > running out of money.
  >
  >
  > On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Folks,
  >>
  >> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of the 
opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be interesting how 
it is going to work?
  >>
  >> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
  >>
  >> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
  >>
  >> Live long and prosper, John
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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall 
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have 
to wait and see.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


  I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

  -Original Message- 
  From: M F Mason via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: M F Mason
  Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

  Hello,

  I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
  I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
  However, I am now subscribed again.
  This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
  reason for my apology.

  I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
  I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
  I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
  experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

  Many thanks,

  Mike.

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

Windows 10 1803 is not out yet, it was delayed.
  - Original Message - 
  From: M F Mason via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Cc: M F Mason 
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


  Hello,

  In my previous message, I referred to
  Windows 10 build 1803.
  I should have said:
  Windows 10 version 1803.

  My apologies,

  Mike.

  At 07:16 27/04/2018, M F Mason via Talk wrote:
  >Hello,
  >
  >I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
  >I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
  >However, I am now subscribed again.
  >This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the 
  >reason for my apology.
  >
  >I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
  >I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
  >I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their 
  >experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?
  >
  >Many thanks,
  >
  >Mike.
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Re: windows 10??

[Loy Green via Talk]

Go to device manager, locate your keyboard and your mouse, use context  key to 
choose properties s of each and go to the power management tab and check allow 
this device to wake this computer then click OK.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony C via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Tony C 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:37 PM
  Subject: Re: windows 10??


  Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

  -Original Message- 
  From: net bat via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: net bat
  Subject: Re: windows 10??

  you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Tony C
  Subject: windows 10??

  Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
  version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again 
  without
  using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: List Gone?

[Loy Green via Talk]

The list is still here.
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  From: Tom via Talk 
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  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:48 PM
  Subject: List Gone?


  Has this list been terminated?

  Tom

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Re: version 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

I could send you a copy by email if you can receive this large of a file. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
  Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:05 PM
  Subject: version 9.5.4


  I hope this request won't cause any list member to get bent out of shape as 
  it certainly is not intended to offend anyone.

  Yesterday, I contacted V F O to request a link to the Window-eyes version 
  9.5.4.  I did so because my copy is acting flaky, so I wanted to completely 
  uninstall and subsequently reinstall it.  Unfortunately, my CD has been 
  damaged and is now unplayable.  V F O said that they discontinued that 
  service, so I am now up the creek without a paddle if or until some kind 
  soul will provide me with a copy of the program along with a serial number. 
  I know my serial number, but it does me no good because I do not believe 
  that I could substitute my serial for the one on another user's CD.

  So I will say no more but hope that some kind list member will write me off 
  list at:

  donald.robert...@gmail.com .

  Thanks for any assistance.

  Don Roberts

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Loy Green via Talk]

I agree,
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Kingston via Talk 
  To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
  Cc: Tom Kingston 
  Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?


  A lot to understand about the JAWS user interface?Indeed. I've been on 
  computers since the DOS days and have never seen a less user friendly 
  interface. I couldn't come up with such a menacing mess if I tried. I 
  don't know how their developers sleep at night.

  We have enough to battle with. I didn't in a million years expect such a 
  nightmare in a screen-reader.

  On 2/22/2018 11:08 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
  > Sorry; I haven't used this insert j thing for a long time. I didn't hit 
  > the alt key after. But there is a lot to understand. Pam.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:46 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Pamela Dominguez
  > Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > I did insert j, and all it says is jaws home use. if I arrow down, it says
  > the version, and the only other thing it asks me is if I want to 
  > update. If
  > I tab, it says nothing. If I arrow, it says nothing else. So, help is
  > useless. Pam.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:05 AM
  > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  > Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
  > Subject: RE: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > The voices are free.
  > Press insert j then go to the help menu.
  > Arrow down until you hear, "More voices."
  > Press enter.
  > You want the premium voices Tom or Nathan are very good.
  > If I can help further, you can call me at 702-568-5774.
  > 
  > Pastor Gil
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  > Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
  > Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > I had done that, and it still says everything. I tried all of the stuff
  > that we were given when the transfer was done. There were some setup
  > tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up. How do I get to hear 
  > what
  > those voices sound like? I think you have to buy them. Pam.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
  > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  > Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
  > Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > You can turn the camas and periods off.
  > Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
  > punctuation to none.
  > Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?
  > 
  > Pastor Gil
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
  > To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > 
  > Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
  > Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > I did, but I hate jaws. Jaws acts as if we are simpletons. I hate, for
  > instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
  > who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the 
  > whole
  > thing, not just the body of the message. I also hate that you can't turn
  > certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
  > And that eloquence is terrible! Pam.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
  > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
  > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  > Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
  > Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
  > 
  > If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
  > that could put the final nails in the casket for me. I'll have to lick my
  > wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.
  > 
  > That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android 
  > tablet;
  > the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
  > associated screen readers. No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
  > offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws. And, no, NVDA WILL 
  > NOT
  > cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
  > employment.
  > 
  > Farewell! Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
  > watching the goings-on!
  > 
  > Sincerely,
  > 

Re: window eyes will not work with win10 version1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

This was said when version 1709 came out, but it is still working for me,I 
guess we will have to wait and see for sure.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis Delzer via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Curtis Delzer 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:06 PM
  Subject: Re: window eyes will not work with win10 version1803


  I wonder who put that opinion forth? We'll just have to see, since I use
  window-eyes exclusively with Becky! my email client. I could use NVDA,
  but it reads too many lines at the top of message(s) E.G. who from,
  subject, etc. inside the message viewing pane.

  -
  Curtis Delzer, HS.
  WB6HEF
  San Bernardino, CA

  On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:16:41 -0500
  Dennis via Talk  wrote:

  > I saw on a windows 10 mailing list that windowEyes will not work with the 
next version of win10.
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Re: Version 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

Open WE control panel with Control, backslash, then alt H, the A,  and there  
you will find you serial number.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patricia Krinke via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Patricia Krinke 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4


  That does not do it!  What am I doing wrong?


  Trish

  -Original Message- 
  From: net bat via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:44 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: net bat
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

  its not in the menu list. press the alt key to open the pull down menus. 
  help
  is there
  in there you will find the help manualls, about, and check for updates, 
  which
  won't find any. grin

  -Original Message- 
  From: Patricia Krinke via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:32 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Patricia Krinke
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

  Thank all of you for trying to help me; however, I cannot find HELP.
  Control backslash does not open to what it used to.  Below is what control
  backslash opens to:

  Screen
  Keyboard
  Mouse
  Hot Keys
  Cursor Keys
  General
  Braille
  Verbosity
  Dictionary
  User Windows
  Association
  Devices
  Profile

  Another suggestion?

  Thank you,


  Trish

  -Original Message- 
  From: Charles Adkins via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:04 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Charles Adkins
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4



  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Feb 19, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Loy Green via Talk
  > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  >
  > Open the WE  control panel with control backslash and go to about under
  > the help menu.
  >  - Original Message - 
  >  From: Patricia Krinke via Talk
  >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >  Cc: Patricia Krinke
  >  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 3:15 PM
  >  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4
  >
  >
  >  How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how,
  > and
  >  maybe it doesn't matter anymore.
  >
  >
  >  Trish
  >
  >  -Original Message- 
  >  From: Loy Green via Talk
  >  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
  >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >  Cc: Loy Green
  >  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4
  >
  >  Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they
  >  are still doing so.
  >- Original Message - 
  >From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
  >To: Rod Hutton
  >Cc: Donald L. Roberts
  >Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
  >Subject: Version 9.5.4
  >
  >
  >Hello,
  >
  >I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of
  >  course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from
  >  where I can download the CD.
  >
  >Thanks.
  >
  >Don Roberts
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Re: Version 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

Open the WE  control panel with control backslash and go to about under the 
help menu.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patricia Krinke via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Patricia Krinke 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 3:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4


  How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how, and 
  maybe it doesn't matter anymore.


  Trish

  -Original Message- 
  From: Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Loy Green
  Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

  Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they 
  are still doing so.
- Original Message - 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
To: Rod Hutton
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Version 9.5.4


Hello,

I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of 
  course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from 
  where I can download the CD.

Thanks.

Don Roberts
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Re: Version 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they are 
still doing so.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk 
  To: Rod Hutton 
  Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
  Subject: Version 9.5.4


  Hello,

  I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of 
course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from where 
I can download the CD.

  Thanks.

  Don Roberts
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Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

[Loy Green via Talk]

They don't give any support, but they were still giving out the disk download a 
while back, they could have stopped that now, not sure.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
  Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:08 AM
  Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


  I don't think they even do that anymore.  Last time I needed help from them, 
  they made me wait for two hours on hold, then they gave me a person who only 
  knew jaws, and said he couldn't help me with window eyes, even though I had 
  said I specifically needed window eyes.  And this was something like four 
  months ago.  Pam.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:23 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Loy Green
  Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

  If you are a license owner of WE. VFO can give you a link to download a 
  copy.
- Original Message - 
From: Joe Sontag via Talk
To: terrydea...@yahoo.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Joe Sontag
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


And I'll be glad to discuss a second WE9.5.
- Original Message - 
From: "Terry D. Eagle via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydea...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 14:29
Subject: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


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Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

[Loy Green via Talk]

If you are a license owner of WE. VFO can give you a link to download a copy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Sontag via Talk 
  To: terrydea...@yahoo.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Joe Sontag 
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


  And I'll be glad to discuss a second WE9.5.
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Terry D. Eagle via Talk" 
  To: 
  Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" 
  Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 14:29
  Subject: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


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Re: Not having success with start up

[Loy Green via Talk]

First tab til you hear Global start up options, hit enter. UAC will pop up and 
click on yes, two check boxes will pop up uncheck both and click OK, tab to 
save settings and you should have it.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Rogers via Talk 
  To: Window Eyes List 
  Cc: Mike Rogers ; Window Eyes Users 
  Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 2:25 PM
  Subject: Not having success with start up


  I've been trying to stop W.E. from automatically starting with computer 
boot-up.  I went into general, start up options andapparently not hitting the 
right buttons.  Several tries.  Can somebody walk me through the correct 
sequence?
  Much thanks in advance.

  Mike

  

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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

After you do an emergency uninstall from the WE CD, you can go to%appdata% and 
delete the GWMicro folder.  When I updated to the Fall Creator I had WE 9.5.4 
and I did not have to uninstall it.  I did have to uninstall ZT.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4


  It's probably in the windows registry.

  -Original Message- 
  From: John Covici via Talk
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:23 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: John Covici
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

  Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
  around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
  on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
  again.

  On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
  David Crowell via Talk wrote:
  >
  > Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
  > creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still 
  > can
  > not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
  > I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then 
  > the
  > download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message 
  > saying
  > WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
  > install.
  >
  > This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
  > the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I 
  > am
  > at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
  > Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting 
  > messages
  > constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
  > link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but 
  > constantly
  > get the message about older versions of WE.
  >
  > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
  >
  >
  > Dave
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Re: Win10 issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

I have read this book back when Windows 10 was new it was a great help, it does 
not give instructions specifically for blind users but you can get a lot of 
good information.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Carol and Roger 
  Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 5:50 PM
  Subject: Re: Win10 issue


  Hi,

  The book I am reading now is Windows 10 the missing manual.  It tells 
  alot of things.  Of course, if you are already a good Windows user, you 
  have found a lot of these.  I am only about four hours into the book and 
  it is almost 30 hours of reading.  It does talk about a lot of things we 
  as blind people won't use, but it also gives keyboard commands for 
  things that we would like to use.  I believe the author is Vogue, but I 
  haven't seen it written out yet.

  I found this book just by searching for windows 10.  I think there was 
  only this one, but I might be wrong about that.  The headings go to four 
  levels, so you can break things down pretty close to find things.  I 
  haven't looked yet, but there is an extensive appendices, including 
  keyboard commands.



  Carol



  On 1/5/2018 10:03 AM, BK via Talk wrote:
  > Carol, which book from bard are you refering to? Like you, I'm searching
  > for books and tutorials to help me learn win 10.
  >
  > Butch
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Re: WE with Win 10 Fall creator

[Loy Green via Talk]

I still am using WE in the latest version of Windows 10. I have used JAWS and 
NVDA, but WE is still my screen reader of chois.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Don H via Talk 
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Cc: Don H 
  Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:00 PM
  Subject: WE with Win 10 Fall creator


  Does WE still working well with Win 10 Fall Creator?

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Re: We certificates

[Loy Green via Talk]

Reading  your messages about certificates and authorizations, I am confused 
about which version of Window Eyes you are talking about. Sometimes it seems 
you are talking about the paid version and sometimes you are talking about the 
WE for Office. I don't know much about the WE for Office version.
But for the Paid version there is no limit on the number of installations. And 
it is not clear what the certificate problem you mention is. I do know that 
around the first of  2017 there was a problem with certificates with AISquared 
products and there was an update to fix this problem in January. Could it be 
you are trying to install a version that had this certificate problem? Here is 
link that discusses this problem.
https://www.aisquared.com/certificatefix/
VFO no longer supports WE Paid version but they should give you a link to 
download full copy of your paid version of WE and then you can install without 
the problems.
  - Original Message - 
  From: net bat via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: net bat 
  Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:44 PM
  Subject: Re: We certificates


  are you sure you have the full installation file?
  the downloads are usually not.
  i had to email vfo with my serial number and name. then they sent me a link 
to 
  download it with my serial number already embedded in the file.


  -Original Message- 
  From: Kevin Huber via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:35 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Kevin Huber
  Subject: Re: We certificates

  Hi Larry:

  I would just go ahead and reinstall WeForOffice.
  In the long run, you save time because you will not have to try
  something, have it not work and then try again.

  You may have to redownload it from the website.  I did that not too
  long ago, because I wanted to make sure that the website still exists
  and that I have a copy of the istallation file in case the website is
  taken down by the folks at VFO.

  Kevin Huber


  On 11/14/17, Larry Higgins via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  > Kevin,
  >
  >
  > Now that this issue has come up, I have a question I hope you have some
  > insight into.
  >
  >
  > For some reason, each time I make a major update to Windows 10, WE goes
  > into demo mode,  making it necessary to go to license management and
  > renew online. When I try doing it offline, it gives me an invalid
  > warning. When I do it offline, it tells me that I have a dwindling
  > number of renewal options, and now it appears that I have run out. So,
  > do you know how to deal with what appears to be the inevitable situation
  > where I am actually out of validations?
  >
  >
  > Who knows, maybe then it will be necessary to either uninstall, and then
  > reinstall another copy of WE for Office.
  >
  >
  > Any ideas?
  >
  >
  > On 11/14/2017 3:24 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Bernie:
  >>
  >> OK.  I will make another attempt at answering your question as I was
  >> not quite awake the first time.
  >> If you have a valid license for Microsoft Office version 10 or higher, you
  >> can
  >> run Window-eyes for Office and it will work perfectly. If it does not
  >> find a valid license, it will run in Demo mode.
  >>
  >> You can find all the information on www.windoweyesforoffice.com.
  >>
  >> Kevin Huber
  >>
  >>
  >> On 11/14/17, Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >>> Hi  Bernie:
  >>>
  >>> bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
  >>> license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
  >>> start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
  >>> license, it will just run in demo mode.
  >>>
  >>> You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
  >>> get all the information from there
  >>>
  >>> On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  >>>> HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
  >>>> but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
  >>>> one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
  >>>> office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
  >>>> seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
  >>>> authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
  >>>> wrong about that?  Thanks, B
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
  >>>>> Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for
  >>>

Re: We certificates

[Loy Green via Talk]

Sorry, Can't answer that question, I am not familiar with the WE for office.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bernie Perella via Talk 
  To: Loy Green via Talk 
  Cc: Bernie Perella 
  Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 8:01 PM
  Subject: Re: We certificates


  HI, Thanks for your note. I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices 
  but I think they sent the wrong authorization. I have two copies of WE, 
  one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system. the other is We for 
  office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09. I am not sure but I 
  seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an 
  authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS. Am I 
  wrong about that? Thanks, B


  On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
  >Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for voices 
you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a download 
link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of voices you 
purchased. They were still giving these links a while back, but don't know how 
long they might continue doing so.
  >>>
  >>> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
  >>>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from Gw
  >>>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization files
  >>>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
  >>>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files with
  >>>> the new certificate? thanks. B
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Re: We certificates

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  Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for voices you 
purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a download link 
from AISquared that would include any paid versions of voices you purchased. 
They were still giving these links a while back, but don't know how long they 
might continue doing so.
  >>
  >> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
  >>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from Gw
  >>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization files
  >>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
  >>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files with
  >>> the new certificate? thanks. B
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[Loy Green via Talk]

For the person  who wanted to burn a CD, just open the folder that has your 
serial number as the title and burn all files to a CD, there is an autorun file 
there and it should start when inserted. My download did not come as an ISO 
file .
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  From: brice Mijares via Talk 
  To: michael's emails via Talk 
  Cc: brice Mijares 
  Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:08 AM
  Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk


  Yes, I have a full copy on my computer, and a backup  copy on a 32 gig 
  thumb drive.

  On 10/28/2017 9:45 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote:
  > Hi do you know how to just copy the hole file or just the win eyes 
  > files to put then on a cd or flash drive.
  > For the future cheers Michael.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
  > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:45 AM
  > To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  > Cc: brice Mijares
  > Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk
  > 
  > I was sent a link to download it. I just used it to do a clean install.
  > 
  > On 10/28/2017 10:19 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
  >> What? How did they send it to you? It's not a disk already? If it 
  >> is, how come you would have to make another one? Pam.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
  >> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:50 PM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: brice Mijares
  >> Subject: window eyes instalation disk
  >>
  >> It appears the installation copy gw micro sent me needs to be burnt to
  >> a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
  >> accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
  >> disk. Thanks.
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

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No it doesn't have to be copied to a CD. just unzip it and open the file and 
find the setup file to install it. You can copy all files to a CD if you 
wish. I have mine on a thumb drive for save keeping.



It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to a 
disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to 
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the 
disk. Thanks.

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Re: question

[Loy Green via Talk]

This is the origional list, it changed name after the sell out.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bernie Perella via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" ; "Window-Eyes 
Discussion List" 

Cc: "Bernie Perella" 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:32 AM
Subject: question



Hi, Is the original GW window-eyes list still active? I am no longer
receiving messages from it. thanks, B

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