Re: Is Anyone Around?

[Peter Chin via Talk]

hello all,

I wonder if some one could help me out a little.
I am having some problems with the Progress indicator app. I can only get 
the descending sounds but not the ascending sounds. Is that normal or is 
there something wrong?


Hope to hear from someone soon.

Thanks in advance.
-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 1:20 AM
To: Carol Smith via Talk
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: Is Anyone Around?

I am too, glad to be.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 5/14/2021 7:28 AM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote:

Yepp, I'm still here.

Carol

On 5/14/2021 7:02 AM, bjcolt via Talk wrote:

Hi John,

Yes, still on the list with a few more. The list 8is still live.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  
On Behalf Of john schwery via Talk

Sent: 14 May 2021 11:03
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: Re: Is Anyone Around?

Still lurking.

At 04:52 AM 5/13/2021, Peter Chin via Talk, wrote:

I haven’t received any mail from th list for some tim so was just
wondering if it is still active.
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Is Anyone Around?

[Peter Chin via Talk]

I haven’t received any mail from th list for some tim so was just wondering if 
it is still active. 
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Re: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Could you please give us to link to Vispero?

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: RE: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

I know what you are speaking of, but don’t have any good answers.
You could ask Vispero tech support about this if you haven’t done so 
already. They probably think everybody wants the maximum speed.  You can get 
the effect of some pauses by turning on punctuation.
Another possibility is to try using one of the Vocalizer synthesizers that 
Vispero offers for free. They aren’t Eloquence, and some of the 
mispronunciations are weird, but they are pretty natural-sounding. I like 
the Zoe voice for most things, although I used Eloquence for Windows Live 
Mail while that program worked.

Lloyd Rasmussen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:57 PM
To: WindowEyes List
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

Listers,


I still hope that someone can share their experience with JAWS Eloquence.


What I wish to note is that I brought this issue up on the JFW List a
few months ago, and received no satisfactory suggestions on the issue,
and the attitude I was faced with was more or less learn to live with
it, or even those who denied the problem altogether. That is why I chose
to bring it here, just hoping that a fellow Window-Eyes user might be in
a position to offer some advice.


Just thought you might appreciate knowing my reasons for choosing to
post my inquiry here.


Sincerely,


Larry

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Re: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become SuddenlyUnreadable?

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks everyone for your replies. I think my problem is similar to Pamela's 
accept that in my case, once an e-mail becomes unreadable, it cannot be read 
no matter how many times I try. However, if I move it to another folder, it 
sometimes becomes readable. Go figure.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 6:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become 
SuddenlyUnreadable?


Oh, I sure hope that doesn't happen to me!  The only thing that happens,
sofar, is that once in a while, I get a ding, and that it can't be opened,
and an okay button.  So, I press okay, and I do it again, and the message
comes up.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: RE: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become
SuddenlyUnreadable?

I don’t know the answer to your question. But over the past few weeks it
took longer and longer for e-mail messages to begin reading in WLM, with
either JAWS or Window-Eyes, in Windows 7. By last Monday nothing at all
would read and nothing could be edited for sending. At that point I decided
to try migrating my 50,000 plus messages to Windows 10. I’m starting out
with Windows 10 mail and JAWS, but may end up buying a copy of Outlook,
because there are a lot of disadvantages to Windows 10 Mail. Windows 10 Mail
will read the .eml files that WLM creates, but will not import them into
mailboxes; they have to be opened from file explorer one at a time.
I hope you’re not experiencing the same WLM problem I did, because I don’t
think you can download a fresh copy of WLM safely. It hasn’t been supported
by Microsoft since 2012.
* Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Peter Chin
Subject: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become
SuddenlyUnreadable?

Hello All,

I wonder if anyone using Windows Live Mail could explain to me why some of
my e-mail messages can suddenly become unreadable. I get a message reading
something like this:
“A problem occurred while opening this message.” Then I am on an OK button
which I must activate in order to get out of this message.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become Suddenly Unreadable?

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I wonder if anyone using Windows Live Mail could explain to me why some of my 
e-mail messages can suddenly become unreadable. I get a message reading 
something like this:
“A problem occurred while opening this message.” Then I am on an OK button 
which I must activate in order to get out of this message.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Jane,

I am from Malaysia. I am using WE for Office which is "free" providing you 
buy Microsoft Office 2007 and upwards. I have chosen to use Windows 8.1 
because I don't have to worry about updates to Woindows which my suddenly 
render WE unusable.


If no one else sends you a copy of WE 9.5.4, I could put a copy in my 
Dropbox and send you the download link so you can download it from my 
Dropbox.


All the best.
-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: Read Only

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I usually handle this by going to the property of the file by pressing 
alt+enter, tabbing to the Unblocking field which is after the "Advanced" 
field and pressing space. Then I shift tab to apply and press space, then to 
ok and press enter. After that the file can be opened and edited. However, 
just to be safe, after opening the file, I press control+s to save the file 
before doing anything else.


Hope that helps.
-Original Message- 
From: Debra Hill via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill
Subject: Read Only

Hi,



It seems my MS Word documents have been made into read only.  Can someone
tell me how to change this so I can read the document?  I am using Windows
10 with WE 9.54 and MS Office 2013.



Thanks much!

Be blessed!



Deborah

c

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Re: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I got the same message after restarting Windows 8.1 as instructed by 
Window-Eyes. I am wondering whether it is one of the drivers in both Windows 
8 and 10 that is causing this message. For the most part, my Window-eyes 
9.5.4 is behaving well.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Hi there:

This happened after the reboot, not during the install.  Install went
smoothly and I was prompted to reboot.

I have no info about the error itself, as the diag tool didn't describe what
the problem was.

I can repeat it if I delete the GW Micro folder under %appdata%.

As for removal, I've got the removal tool if I need it.

Again, though, WE seems to be doing about as well as it did before.

Got it monitoring BARD express as I'm downloading some books.  It still
plays real nice with BARD express.

I'm sorry I can't say which build of Windows 10 this applies to, as it may
happen in earlier builds.  I'm using insider builds, because I'm playing
with the Windows Subsystem for Linux also, and installation of this system
is a breeze using the insider builds.  But, that's neither here nor there.

Cheers.

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Re: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

I wanted to save the message you sent me about the qpps which caused trouble 
to WinEyes but somehow I lost it. I hope it's no too much trouble to resend 
that message.


Very sorry for the inconvenience I'm causing..

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

Hi Don,

I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
This file can be found in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes

If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will 
re-install the app.

Try this and see if this works.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk

Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I 
recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to 
be working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for 
window-eyes is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get 
kicked back into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it 
should so I should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify 
the rule.


Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I 
have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I 
cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as 
accounts, view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the 
appropriate default script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there 
is a way to do this from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do 
it.  Please refresh my memory.  By the way, the version number is of course 
9.5.4.


Thanks.
  Don Roberts
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks so much for the list of apps. I asked because a friend of mine had much 
trouble using WE on her Windows 10 computer, whereas I have had no trouble 
using it on my Windows 8.1 computer.

Thanks again.

From: Rod Hutton 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:14 PM
To: peter Chin 
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Peter,


Here is the list of files which, at one time, needed to be disabled in order 
for Window-Eyes  to  load properly:


Eloquence Fix 
Hotspot 
JAWS quick key 
WEDiag 
Windows Enhanced





On my systems,  Which are running build 2004 of windows 10 home and pro, it is 
not necessary for me to disable any of these.
However, if you are having problems on your systems, why not try disabling them?


Good luck,


Rod 


Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 8, 2020, at 12:10 AM, peter Chin  wrote:


  Hello Rod,

  Could you please tell us which were the apps which were giving trouble to
  Wineyes?

  A friend of mine didn't like WinEyes because she said, it was very slugish.
  -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:51 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Rod Hutton
  Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

  Hi Tom,

  At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or
  uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
  On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is
  no longer true.
  Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
  A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they
  had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
  No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very
  surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes
  server.
  I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update
  server was not active.
  My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes
  working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
  I am one of those who need it.
  I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the
  connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and
  virtual machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
  Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or
  NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me,
  and so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
  Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in
  Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
  Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office
  product.
  The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to
  allow me to read and write in Outlook.
  So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

  Take good care,

  Rod

  Sent from Outlook for Windows

  On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
   wrote:

I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
worse each day. To day it's useless.

Window-Eyes 9.5.4

Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
installing it with no apps.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

I was trying to look for the Windows Live Mail app as you suggested but 
couldn't find it.
I seem to remember that some time back someone on this list gave us a link 
to download a full list of WE apps all zipped up but for the life of me, I 
can't find it any where.

Could you please put it in your Dropbox and send us the link to download the
app?

Thanks in advance.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

Hi Don,

I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
This file can be found in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes

If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will
re-install the app.
Try this and see if this works.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I
recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to
be working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for
window-eyes is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get
kicked back into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it
should so I should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify
the rule.

Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I
have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I
cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as
accounts, view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the
appropriate default script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there
is a way to do this from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do
it.  Please refresh my memory.  By the way, the version number is of course
9.5.4.

Thanks.
  Don Roberts
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Could you please tell us which were the apps which were giving trouble to
Wineyes?

A friend of mine didn't like WinEyes because she said, it was very slugish.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is
no longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they
had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update
server was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and
virtual machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or
NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me,
and so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to
allow me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
 wrote:

   I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
   worse each day. To day it's useless.

   Window-Eyes 9.5.4

   Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

   When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
   installing it with no apps.

   Thanks,

   Tom

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Whatsapp on PC

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

has anyone here installed whatsapp on your PC? If you have, could you please 
tell us how accessible it is with screen readers, particularly with 
Window-Eyes.


Thanks in advance. 


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Whatsapp on CC

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Listers,

Has anyone installed Whatsapp on you pc? is it worth doing it and does W-E 
work with it or do we have to use another screen reader?


Thanks in advance. 


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Re: Skype

[peter Chin via Talk]

Sorry, BK,

I forgot to answer your last question. Yes, traffic is quite heavy on this 
list: usually 50 or more messages each day.


Sorry about that.
-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: Skype

Peter, can you post the info on how to subscribe to the NVDA list? Also,
does it have a lot of traffic, saymore than fifty messages per day? Thank
you much.

Butch

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Re: Skype

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello BK,

It's a long time ago since I subscribed to the NVDA group so I am rather
hazy on this matter. I am pasting below the info that is always included at
the bottom of each message from the NVDA list. I presume the address to
subscribe is the same as the one to unsubscribe except that you put the word
"Subscribe" in the subject field and leave the body of the message empty.


NVDA on Groups.io

NVDA is developed by NV Access in collaboration with the community.

Get NVDA from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/

Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at:
http://www.nvaccess.org/donate

Get NVDA add-ons at:
http://addons.nvda-project.org/

Other links:

NVDA on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515

Come talk with other NVDA users on
irc.blufudge.net #NVDA


Group Owner:
nvda+ow...@nvda.groups.io

Unsubscribe:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/leave/108469/2017977618/xyzzy


The e-mail address of the person sending the message is given at the bottom
of all this info so that you can write to her/her privately if you like.

Hope this is of some help.
-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: Skype

Peter, can you post the info on how to subscribe to the NVDA list? Also,
does it have a lot of traffic, saymore than fifty messages per day? Thank
you much.

Butch

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Re: Skype

[peter Chin via Talk]

I have a few messages from the NVDA list on how to use Skype. If you are 
interested, I could zip them up, put them in my Dropbox and send you the 
link to download the zipped files.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:50 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Skype

Have been invited to participate in a group on Skype. It's been more
like a decade since I last touched that platform. I do remember GW had a
product named GWConnect, which was designed for hooking up on services
like Skype. But it was discontinued that many years back, I don't even
remember when.


Anyone here on Skype? What is your experience with the platform as of
today? Which screen reader should I use, WinEyes, NVDA, or Jaws? I mean,
for getting the better result. Even, is there any app for Android
phones, that will be adviceable for a blind user?


Further, if any of you have suggestions as to how to setup, or operate
the Skype system, I am all ears. Being so long, and due to the fact that
Skype changed owners meanwhile, I am not even sure how to get started.
Do I have to operate Skype over the web, or do I download a client to
run right on my computer. And if so, is there any trip-traps to overcome
with the screen reader usage.


All in all, whatever feedback you can give me, I am all thankful. Please
note, it is already decided that the session will be over the Skype
platform, so advice regarding alternative methods, will not help me much
right now - though they might be useful enough in other cases.


Thanks to all.

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Re: Solving Mouse Trap

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thank you for your very useful suggestions. I shall definitely save your 
reply. As a matter of fact, I do use DuckDuckGo occasionally  thou with the 
cat around these days, I'd rather not tempt it too much.


No, I didn't know about the Java removal tool. I have downloaded it and will 
try to use it later on.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:12 AM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Solving Mouse Trap

Sleeping dogs, disturbing cats, and the misbehaving mouse. Peter, you
sure have got the whole zoo - right there on your desk. If now you use
DuckDuckGo as your search engine, you would just about be there. Smiles.

I am not going to lengthen anything. Just thought to leave you a couple
of tips, that you may want to consider.

Went to my search engine, and typed the term:
Uninstalling Java.

It resulted in a list of sites that gave a few suggestions. Wanted to
share with you a couple of addresses, that might point you in further
direction. But first of all, did you know the manufacturer of Java had
their own removal tool?
You will find it here:
https://javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com/update/jut/JavaUninstallTool.exe

The above link should start the download immediately. You will get an
.EXE file, which you can run directly. No need for any pre-installation.
It supposedly will remove all traces of Java, found on your system. And
since it is a stand-alone software, it might just be a bit more
intensive than the Windows installer itself. I do not have Java on my
system, so running the tool, I was only able to get to the first screen,
which informed me of the lack of Java on my computer. At least that far,
WinEyes had no trouble in reading the screen. Be aware, the mouse did
not work on the screen, so you will likely have to use your Tab, Enter
and Spacebar. But ain't that the way we like it?

As an alternative, I want to point you to CCleaner. If you start that
program, and on the main screen go to Tools, then hit Enter. Further
browse the screen for the Uninstaller, and Click Enter. You now will be
taken to CCleaners Software Remover, which might be able to remove
things that Windows will not handle on its own.

A couple of the sites I checked, adviced using a third-party remover,
like Revo. Not sure. Seem to remember someone telling the newer versions
of Revo to have issues with screen readers, but that is all by memory,
so you might want to check that out with the community before attempting
to use it. If you can get it working, it might be far more agressive
than Windows Installer, and might be better at bypassing obstacles like
the ones you mentioned. Further I learnt from my search, that sometimes
a broken installation or update can leave your Registry entries in a
non-working state. This could in turn block you from future updates, or
even the very removal of pieces of software. On the Java home page, you
find a couple of suggestions in such cases. One automated from
Microsoft, which seems to be rather high-tech. The other suggestion did
seem to be a bit more doable, but requires a number of manual steps. You
find it all here:
The techie one, from Microsoft:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed
, also read this:
https://www.guidingtech.com/20274/completely-remove-uninstall-java-windows-pc/
, as well as this one, from Java themselves:
https://java.com/en/download/help/uninstall_java.xml

Hope any of the listed info will prove helpful, and that you can get
Java off your computer. It might take a bit of time and energy, but once
your system is rid of that software package altogether, you may just
find your syste m less troublesome. Make sure the JavaBridge from
GWMicro will be removed as well. I do wonder if that used to be listed
in the Windows Uninstall list, if it ever is on your PC.

You said you do not know how Java came to be on your computer first
hand. Certainly, it could have come buntled with other software that you
might have installed at a point. Or the Tech personel could have thought
either they or you needed the package for who knows what reason. But
just as likely, it might have come buntled with your computer, the day
you bought it. Specially so if you bought it brand new, from one of the
major brands. HP, for one, used to love speckling their systems with
loads of software that they found you would need. Starting your new
system, you would find it to be loaded down with resource hungry pieces
of software, that you never asked for, and never had any benefit from.
Notice that still certain models from major brands are advertised with
loads of such software pre-installed by default. Too bad, as it often
means for the user to have to uninstall a rather big chunk of his new
system, even before he can start enjoying his newcomer. Once the
computers are ripped for this kind of unwanted stuff, they might prove
to be some 

Re: Solving Mouse Trap

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks for your swift reply. Yes, I knew about the security risk with having 
Java. I did not intentionally install Java. I think either Windows itself 
has a version of it or my computer technician could have installed it. I did 
try a few times to uninstall Java but got no where. As soon as I read your 
reply, I tried again but again got no where. In the Programs and Features 
section, I could find updates for Java but not Java itself. Messages I got 
when trying to uninstall these updates  ran something like "the feature you 
are trying to use is  on a network resource that is unavailable", or words 
to that effect.


Any way, as I said in my previous message, my mouse seems to be behaving 
itself for the moment so I think I'll let sleeping dogs lie until the cat 
disturbs the mouse again.


Thanks much for your help.

-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 2:49 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Solving Mouse Trap

Peter,
sometimes a bit of a challenge to know how much to tell, and what to
leave out. One user is this much experienced, the next is all that much
of a newbie, or too worried to go for anything new. Sorry if my advices
tend to be too thorough.

Sounds like your mouse does have ears, does it. Perhaps it has been
reading about all the clean-up and reinstallation, and is afraid the
next thing you are going to bring onto your system is the Cat. Please do
make it aware, that the cable you are using for hooking up to the
Internet, is named a CAT cable. Cat here telling the standard for how to
connect the many wires inside the cable, in both ends. And, remind the
mouse of your computer, that the CAT standard is up to version 6 now,
though you might only be at version 5 yourself currently. See if any of
that will make the mouse start to behave. Big smiles, and please excuse
the jokes.

Sure seems you have the habit of taking good measures of safety. That
does root out a few possibilities. So let's see if we can get anything
further. Maybe the following is old news to you, and in such a case,
please disregard it.

AVG. That one is not just inaccessible for screen readers, and has been
for a long time. It even is almost impossible to get rid of, once it has
entered your computer. I did spend a number of hours a couple of years
ago, to get rid of that very software. It came bundled with something
else, and had got installed without my knowing. Attempting to uninstall
by means of normal Windows routines, only left me with some error
messages, and a load of head-scratching. Going to Programs and Features
in Windows, Right-clicking on the AVG entry, and then trying to run what
AVG and Windows had conspired to name uninstallation, resulted in a
window that the screen reader could not read. Searching the net, I found
that AVG offers their taylored uninstallation software, which supposedly
should remove the stuff from the computer. Downloading and running that
uninstaller, again resulted in a screen that was non-usable for the
screen reader.

Attempting to use WinEyes, NVDA or Jaws, it was all to no avail. Two
eyes would have known what to click on, and how to get the mouse there.
But with the screen readers, it was close to impossible. And why Close?
Well, because I found that one screen reader would read one part of the
dialogs, another screen reader would pick up something else. By running
Jaws and WinEyes simultaneously, and using their OCR features, I finally
was able to operate the silly dialogs, and have the system rid itself of
AVG. Jaws performed the better on the OCR job, but was unable to click
any of the buttons. WinEyes did a poor job in the OCR, but got the mouse
clicks working. A bunch of chattering from both screen readers. Wish
they could have been set to speak in each their ear, it would have made
the job a tiny bit easier.

Did I say the system got rid of the AVG? In That would have been a great
exergeration. I ran a clean-up, using a couple of cleaners. They
reported having cleaned out so many files and entries. Checking my
system, several traces were still left. Ended up having to manually
going through my Registry, deleting each and every entry that would
refer to anything that had to do with AVG and its manufacturer. A step
that seemed to be well-known, when I checked the net. Users suggested
this to be the way to go. OK, an anti-ware should not let itself be
removed by chance, or by some intruders. Still, when you download and
run the uninstaller provided by the manufacturer, directly from their
homepage, you hope to get rid of their product altogether. And just to
tell, AVG is not the only example of this. Had a struggle in getting
another piece of anti-virus off my system many years back. Even plain
normal software, sometimes can be quite sticky.
Sum of it all? Don't rely on one screen reader, if you want to make
certain of getting the job done. And make sure the technician will be
aware that things are not 

Re: Solving Mouse Trap; (was: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes)

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks so much for your suggestions. I will try to answer your questions as
best I can

First of all, about my system. No, I have never reinstalled Windows since it
was set up more than a year ago. The only programs I have uninstalled of any
significance were my Collins dictionary and my Word Web dictionary. I am the
only person using this computer and to my knowledge I have never clicked on
any offers of new programs. I use the network icon on the desktop as an
example but, surprisingly, I haven't heard the word "Network" being
repeated. I just chose the word out of the blue as an example. The repeated
words could be part of the message or word file I am typing, or it could be
words at the top or bottom of the screen if my mouse is in that position. I
always disconnect the LAN cable from my computer whenever I go off line. My
Desktop computer doesn't have a wireless connection. However, you might have
a point about something trying to update.  Java has been trying to get me to
update but I recently abandoned the update halfway because I didn't quite
understand what it was requiring me to do. I do diskclean at least once a
day but I haven't used my C Cleaner for some time so I think I had better
try that. I always avoid scheduling anything like antivirus  or defragging
programs, preferring to do these tasks manually when I have the time.  In
Windows 8, they don't use the word "Defrag" but "Optimize". I optimize my
drives once inn a while even though I am told by Windows that my drives do
not need optimizing. My antivirus program is the Windows Defender provided
by Microsoft. I don't consider it a very effective antivirus program so I am
ver wary about visiting strange websites. My computer technician did put on
AVG for me but I told him to uninstall it as AVG has become rather
inaccessible. I don't think he did a very good job of it as I still find
traces of the program on my computer and that could be another source of my
troubles. On the other hand, why should it only cause trouble recently? Just 
for your info, since I reported this strange behaviour, my mouse has been 
behaving properly, and  the unwanted repetitions have stopped.


Thanks again and I am definitely going to clean up my computer with C
Cleaner tomorrow as I have to go out this evening.





-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:43 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Solving Mouse Trap; (was: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes)

Well, Peter,
This really sounds like a nut.

If something like you describe is repeated over and over, like:
Desktop, Network, Desktop, Network;
I am almost ready to think this is due to some background service
attempting to start, and likely not being able to perform what it wants.
That could be,
  some sort of update,
  an unstabil network connection,
  Things like a disk Clean-up or Defragmentation,
  Scheduled scanning jobs from your Anti-Virus;
  or whatever else.

Seemingly, the software is trying to do its job, fails, and pops back to
the Desktop - determines that it wants to try again, also this time
failing, and returning to the desktop. The screen reader is doing its
job, in picking up that something is going on, and reading out to you
what it can manage, before next operation is plunging in. Since this
retrying is rapidly going on, the screen reader might not have time to
read out all the dialogs, and you only hear the window titles spoken. GW
were asked several years ago, if a user-activated delaying filter could
be implemented, that would leave the screen reader time enough to
recognize and speak out dialogs like this, or even determine to skip
them altogether. Their reply in short, was that they did not see it as
anything useful. Another screen reader which I used before WinEyes, did
have such capability, which I found useful many a time. And NVDA seems
to be slow enough, or perhaps more like agressive enough, to pick up all
the info and take its time to read it aloud.

Now for a moment, let's imagine my assumption is right. When the
software has kept attempting a preset number of times, it pops an error
message on you. That message is not visible to WinEyes, like we have
talked about earlier. This invisible window is trapping your mouse; and
you, are pulling your hair. Yes, a wild guess, but not totally out of
the blue either.

Again, I suggest trying an alternative screen reader for a little. This
might just prove helpful, as another screen reader might pick up what is
going on, and read out some info that will point you to the real nest of
your trouble. Try install NVDA. Restart your computer, and when it is
all ready, turn off WinEyes. For instance by hitting Ctrl-Insert-F4, and
then Enter on the OK button. Then Start NVDA, by default Alt-Ctrl-N.
Work on your computer as normal, writing some stuff, checking your
email, browsing some familiar website, or whatever you typically are
doing on your computer. Try do 

Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Sorry for not answering your questions fully in my last reply, but I was in 
such a hurry to send it off that I only answered one of your questions, so I 
have decided to  rwrite my reply again.




My mouse problems can show up at start-up or at any time afterwards. Trouble
is, I don't know exactly when it happens after start-up unless I happen to
want to use the mouse and I discover that the mouse is not working. If the 
mouse is not working on the Desktop, it usually does not work in most other 
programs where there is a list of items such as files, folders or lists in 
menus. When the

mouse is not working, the cursor usually appears to be working fine. Whether
the mouse is working  or not, unwanted parts of the screen can suddenly
start getting read out, often repeating many times, such as "Network, 
desktop,
network, Desktop, network, desktop" and so on. Once the mouse misbehaves, it 
continues to do so no matter what I do. Reloading WE or restarting the 
computer makes no difference. I just have to hope that when I turn my 
computer later on in the day or the next day, the mouse will work.


I do have NVDA in portable form on my computer though I have not installed 
the latest version.


At the moment as I am writing this reply, the mouse seems to be working
fine although I am getting temperory loss of speech  in WLM.


I realise that this kind of unpredictable behaviour is difficult to solve
without direct acces to the computer, and I really appreciate your efforts 
to help.


 Thanks so much.
-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:40 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Peter,
Let's see if I get you right. Please correct me where I am off-tracked.

You start your computer, and the screen reader. For the most part, it
starts out as expected, with all mouse movements functioning. As you
keep working, all the sudden, and apparently without any further notice,
your mouse goes for a garden-party, and all the fun it leaves you is the
word "blank" when you try to control it. Did we get it right this far?

This behavior takes place whether you are in one or the other
application.. You mentioned WLM and Windows Explorer. But are they the
only places the thing happens, or does it happen in pretty much any
other software as well? And, do you have an idea, whether this takes
place after a given amount of runtime. Does it typically happen after
say five minutes working time, or is it totally out of any time frame.

Lastly, does it disappear after a while?

At this point, I will have to do a couple of wild guesses. See if that
takes us anywhere. What might be an extra question is, do you have any
other screen reader installed. That is, do you for instance have NVDA on
your computer. Sometimes this can prove a beneficial thing. NVDA has in
a number of cases, proven to be a bit more agressive in grabbing info
from the screen. And due to NVDA still being developed, it keeps up with
modern screens in a way that WinEyes not always live up to. Put it the
way, that NVDA does a quick go and get what it gets - whilst WinEyes
does go about it a bit more thoroughly, but only get so much out of the
job. Both being beneficial in their own ways. And here might be one of
the cases when the more tools will give us the better job done.

What I do get from the description you gave, the way I read it, seems to
me you have some kind of a popup window showing up on your screen. A
popup that WinEyes might not notice, but still gets crazy about. At
least your mouse might enjoy it. Such popups could be notifications
coming from other software, who needs a permission to update. Windows 7
and up, introduced us to a new measure of security, in the User Acount
Control - which will ask your permission before performing any
deep-going action on your computer, like an update or bigger altering of
your software. Now, what if your anti-virus, your email program or any
other piece of software needs to install an update. This update is of
some major concern to the operativ system, and it will popup a message
asking if you are comfortable with this software's meddling with your
system. You likely have seen this kind of message, when attempting to
install new software.  OK, sometimes software have built-in popups on
their own. I am not a WLM user, so cannot speak for that one, but it
could be it has some extra fun in popping out a message window every now
and then.

Thing about such popups, is that they are not always easy to see for
WinEyes. And they go hide themselves behind any other stuff. Still the
mouse might stick with them. NVDA, though, has proven to be useful on my
system, in cases like that. It might pick up popups even when they
appear, and quite often alt-tabbing through the list of open software,
NVDA will report if it finds any open popups. If things like you
describe happens to me, I quickly press the hotkey to 

Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

My mouse problems can show up at start-up or at any time afterwards. Trouble 
is, I don't know exactly when it happens after start-up unless I happen to 
want to use the mouse and I discover that the mouse is not working. When the 
mouse is not working, the cursor usually appears to be working fine. Whether 
the mouse is working  or not, unwanted parts of the screen can suddenly 
start reading, often repeating many times, such as "Network, desktop, 
network, Desktop, network, desktop" and so on.


At the moment as I am writing this reply, the mouse seems to be working 
alright.


I realise that this kind of unpredictable behaviour is difficult to solve 
and I really appreciate your efforts to help.


Thanks a lot.
-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:40 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Peter,
Let's see if I get you right. Please correct me where I am off-tracked.

You start your computer, and the screen reader. For the most part, it
starts out as expected, with all mouse movements functioning. As you
keep working, all the sudden, and apparently without any further notice,
your mouse goes for a garden-party, and all the fun it leaves you is the
word "blank" when you try to control it. Did we get it right this far?

This behavior takes place whether you are in one or the other
application.. You mentioned WLM and Windows Explorer. But are they the
only places the thing happens, or does it happen in pretty much any
other software as well? And, do you have an idea, whether this takes
place after a given amount of runtime. Does it typically happen after
say five minutes working time, or is it totally out of any time frame.

Lastly, does it disappear after a while?

At this point, I will have to do a couple of wild guesses. See if that
takes us anywhere. What might be an extra question is, do you have any
other screen reader installed. That is, do you for instance have NVDA on
your computer. Sometimes this can prove a beneficial thing. NVDA has in
a number of cases, proven to be a bit more agressive in grabbing info
from the screen. And due to NVDA still being developed, it keeps up with
modern screens in a way that WinEyes not always live up to. Put it the
way, that NVDA does a quick go and get what it gets - whilst WinEyes
does go about it a bit more thoroughly, but only get so much out of the
job. Both being beneficial in their own ways. And here might be one of
the cases when the more tools will give us the better job done.

What I do get from the description you gave, the way I read it, seems to
me you have some kind of a popup window showing up on your screen. A
popup that WinEyes might not notice, but still gets crazy about. At
least your mouse might enjoy it. Such popups could be notifications
coming from other software, who needs a permission to update. Windows 7
and up, introduced us to a new measure of security, in the User Acount
Control - which will ask your permission before performing any
deep-going action on your computer, like an update or bigger altering of
your software. Now, what if your anti-virus, your email program or any
other piece of software needs to install an update. This update is of
some major concern to the operativ system, and it will popup a message
asking if you are comfortable with this software's meddling with your
system. You likely have seen this kind of message, when attempting to
install new software.  OK, sometimes software have built-in popups on
their own. I am not a WLM user, so cannot speak for that one, but it
could be it has some extra fun in popping out a message window every now
and then.

Thing about such popups, is that they are not always easy to see for
WinEyes. And they go hide themselves behind any other stuff. Still the
mouse might stick with them. NVDA, though, has proven to be useful on my
system, in cases like that. It might pick up popups even when they
appear, and quite often alt-tabbing through the list of open software,
NVDA will report if it finds any open popups. If things like you
describe happens to me, I quickly press the hotkey to start NVDA, and
once it comes up, I might Alt-Tab my way around. Sometimes just starting
NVDA, and it automatically discovers and reads out the popup to me.
Funny thing is, when NVDA is active, I can get WinEyes to focus on the
popup and maybe even interact with it, something that is out of question
with WinEyes running on its own. Drawback of it all, of course is, that
you will have to deal with both screen readers chattering simultaneously
for the moment you have NVDA loaded. But you just need it for the time
of discovering what is going on. Once you have done what you need to do,
you just close down NVDA, and back to WinEyes.

The other thing that could be worth a try, is for a while to turn off
all apps in WinEyes. I am not aware which app would cause your trouble,
but it might just be worth 

Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thank you so much for your very extensive reply. Yes, I must admit I didn't 
give enough details abou my problems. I was in a bit of a hurry as I had 
several other things to be done.


First, about the mouse keys. Sometimes when I am on the desktop or in my 
user folder, moving the mouse with the mouse keys does not read anything. If 
I try to read current icon or line, or if I move the mouse up or down or 
left to right or the other way, WE just says "blank". lefgt or right 
clicking on what I think should be the icon or folder I moved the mouse to 
does have some effect. This can also happen when I am in WLM. Sometimes, 
however, the mouse keys move as expected. Trouble is, I don't know when and 
why this happens. Restarting WE or restarting the computer does not solve 
the problem  when the mouse keys do not work. I only noticed this strange 
behaviour a few days ago. I was not messking around with any settings at the 
time but had just started my computer. Whether the moue keys areworking or 
not, WE may just start parts of the screen I am not interested in.


As for backing up, I don't know how to back up my C drive but I have a copy 
of my WE Defult folder and I have all my data files backed up. I am not very 
good at writing batch files, especially for Windows, so would be very glad 
to have your batch file which you mentioned.


Thanks in advance.


-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:15 PM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Your mouse keys do not work as expected? Sorry to hear that. Yet, I am
afraid i do not know what exactly you mean. Is it something going on in
all applications, or is it only (at least mainly) happening in some
particular piece of software.? Are you aware when it all started, and if
so, do you have a clue what you did just prior to this behavior taking
place?

Reason I am assking, is that it might point us in the direction of
picking up a solution for you. In case you have made any updates, played
around with some settings, or installed some extra software or apps - it
might be a place to start helping you out. Could you explain, please,
what it is you expect, and what does not work?

It has been a known fact, that the mouse sometimes gets stuck in a
position on the screen. Usually this would mean one of the corners. And
why this happens might have as many answers as there are questions.
Still, whenever something show up in that posistion - like some status
message, for instance - WinEyes will read it out to you. That is because
the screen reader is doing its job, however strange that might sound.
See, the screen reader is such constructed, that it will keep an eye on
your screen, and let you know whenever some info shows up, in places
that you tell is of special interest. Placing your mouse, is one way of
telling the screen reader to watch out for updated info. Now, if your
mouse runs  over and dig itself a new hole, wherever on your screen, the
screen reader will track the mouse, and determine that likely you enjoy
to have it chattering everything that the mouse "sniffs" in its stuck
position. No, I am not trying to be jokie. This is the real fact. The
big issue, and main solution, will be to have the mouse dragged loose
from its stubborn place, and tell it to behave like good tiny mice are
supposed to.

Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess
and play around.

Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could it be
that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the
computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the
case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning
that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the risk
of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if you
had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make sure to
deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features
your computer offers you. Or, simply connect a USB mouse, and hide it in
the very rear of your desk, that you don't ever get in touch with it.

Do you have the habit of once in a while backing up your system? or at
least the WinEyes profile folder? If so, probably one quick fix would be
to simply copy your backup into the profile folder - thereby rolling
your screen reader back to a point of well-behaving.

If you do not own a bakup hard drive, there are a few suggestions for
regularly being able to back up your screen reader profile, along with
other personal files and settings. First of all, the WinEyes folder
usually do not get very big. So even a cheap memory card of any size
from 1GB and up, will suffice. That is, if your computer has a memory
card slot. Otherwise, USB pen drives, again from 1GB and up, will be
something to consider. Dig deep in your desk drawer, and see if you have
some old hardware that 

Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

es, the Window-Eyes for office still works for Windows 8.1 which I am using. 
However, within the last few days it has been behaving strangely. My mouse 
keys don't work properly and Window_eyes keeps reading other parts of the 
screen, especially the areas where the mouse is sitting. Any suggestions as 
to how to resolve the problem will be much appreciated.
-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Interesting. I just had a quick look. Going to

gwmicro.com

It sure looked like the site is still up. Yet, I did find nowhere to
download anything but some tutorials, and a number of videos. Well, and
then the App Central. Why I still wonder exactly which website the
assumed demo version would have been attempted downloaded from.

If the user still knows the address where the download was attempted,
either retry the download and see if the file comes out with a more
trusty size, or try search the net for another download. Of course,
someone might have a demo sitting around, Does the Office version even
work any longer? Or is all that lane closed, after the cooperation
discontinued? I did not have any demos here, only my purchased versions.

David

On 2/25/2020 12:53 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom

Scientific

purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former
user.- Original Message -
From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 
To: 
Cc: "Armando Vias" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes



Hey all.

This is my first post.

For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says

that it

is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is
corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?

Armando


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Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks for your tip about cleaning up the computer. Will try it after lunch.

-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Peter,
Two things.

First of all, it sounds like your WinEyes has been configured for only
running apps that are approved by you. Here is something you might try:
1; Open the WE Controlpanel, by hitting Ctrl-Backslash.
2; Go to the App menu, Alt-A.
3; Press Right-Arrow, and scroll to the App Manager, and hit Enter.
4; Hit Shift-Tab twice, and you should land on Security. Press Enter.
5; Make sure to choose the setting for "Always accepting scripts", and
press Enter.
6; Escape your way out of the menus. Restart the screen reader, and see
if that fixes anything.

A second thing that came to me this morning, due to me having to perform
this action on my system to fix some slow-down, is to try deleting your
Temporary folder. Whenever you are visiting a website, editing a Word
document, or many a time when you are installing software - your
computer will store small files so as to increase your memory capacity,
and to speed up certain processes. Over time though, the amount of
Temporary files might raise to such hights, that your system might slow
down, or even start to mess up some activities. Specially so, should
your computer happen to have a sudden loss of power, which might leave
certain files in an unstable state. Not sure if this will do anything to
your troubles, but it likely will not hurt to clean out those temporary
files. Windows will not let you clean out any file that currently is in
use, so you hardly will damage anything. Besides, you will end up with a
bit more room on your hard drive.

there would be a few ways to clean out the Temporary stuff from a
computer. Some more effecient than others. What I like to do, so as to
make sure this kind of files are clean up no matter where on the system
they are located, is as follows:

1; Hit Win-R.
2; In the Edit box, type
CMD
and hit Enter.
3; type
CD\
(please note the backslash at the end), and hit Enter.
4; Type
Del *.tmp /s/q
(please note the full set of characters), and hit Enter.
You now will see the computer work for a little, cleaning out all the
files with the extension of TMP, whereever they might be on your
computer, including all subfolders.
5; When it is done, type
Exit
followed by Enter.

6; Next, open Windows Explorer, and then hit Alt-D, which will take you
to the address bar.
7; Type
%temp%
and hit Enter. Please make sure you embrace the TEMP with the percent
sign, or you won't get anywhere.
8; You now should be in the main Temporary subfolder of your Windows
profile. To make sure, you could always check the address bar, or the
title bar of the window. Once you have ensured you are in the right
place, move on.
9; Hit Ctrl-A, to select all entries in the folder. Then hit Del, to
have them deleted. Windows will prompt you before performing the actual
deletion. Make sure to grant it any permissions.
10; You likely will get an error message, telling you that some file
cannot be deleted. These are files currently in use. Shift-Tab once, and
check the box that reads something like: "Do this for all files". Then
tab down to the SKIP button, and hit enter. In a moment, your Temporary
subfolder will have been cleaned out, whatever was possible.

OK, I do not know if any of this will help. At least you are turning
computer stones, rocks and cliffs. Smile.

David

On 12/3/2019 12:10 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find
where to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in
Program and features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I
don't know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time
to mess around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having
seem to be connected with apps which cannot be installed properly,
like the Word Navigation app. When I tried to add them, a message pops
up saying that the app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows
7-10. It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in
case something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

Thanks all again.
-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Well, this is 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello net,

Yes, I did look there but couldn't find it. Will try again later.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: email

its there in programs and features in
windows essentuals
click on that  to start an uninstall. wlm will be there in the list. there 
you

can do a repair or uninstall.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10.
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case
something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

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Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of 
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where 
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and 
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.


David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't 
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess 
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be 
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word 
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the 
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.


I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my 
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very 
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10. 
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case 
something should go wrong during cleaning.


Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

Thanks all again.
-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Well, this is completely baffling. As I said, in the last build I did
absolutely nothing other than comment out the one line in the speech
function that calls the braille function to braille the same text that
was spoken.
So I have no idea how your folder functions could be effected.
I guess the bottom line is whether you prefer the error message on
sending or using the keyboard shortcuts for folder management.
Good luck,
Tom


On 12/1/2019 3:26 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

First, I have a confession to make. I just reinstalled my original WLM app
and I can now do functions like moving files to different folders. Of 
course, this means I still get the script  error message when I do 
control+n to send a new email.
My Windows Defender doesn't appear to have trouble with  my screen reader. 
the
AVG antivirus which I used in my Windows XP always found fault with my 
newer
NVDA versions so I had to tell it to ignore those but even that didn't 
help

because as soon as I tried to install a new version of NVDA, AVG would try
to get rid of it.
I personally don't think Windows Defender is a very effective antivirus 
but

it is better than having nothing. Because of that, I am very careful about
what websites I visit.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.

* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders
menu and do what you need to do manually.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is
not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for
tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your
help. Unfortunately, certain features of 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

First, I have a confession to make. I just reinstalled my original WLM app
and I can now do functions like moving files to different folders. Of 
course, this means I still get the script  error message when I do control+n 
to send a new email.
My Windows Defender doesn't appear to have trouble with  my screen reader. 
the

AVG antivirus which I used in my Windows XP always found fault with my newer
NVDA versions so I had to tell it to ignore those but even that didn't help
because as soon as I tried to install a new version of NVDA, AVG would try
to get rid of it.
I personally don't think Windows Defender is a very effective antivirus but
it is better than having nothing. Because of that, I am very careful about
what websites I visit.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.

* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders
menu and do what you need to do manually.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is
not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for
tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your
help. Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be
working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File
to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Yes, I have got a new CMOS battery. And yes, I should have immediately done
a restore when I noticed the script error message but I was too lazy to do
it and I haven't had much luck in the past doing it with Window-Eyes. I had 
to use a Jaws demo to do it and I can't realy remember how I did it. Since

May, I have beeen involved with to many other things which was why I didn't
bother with roling back my computer. I think it now a bit late to do that.
Next time something like this happens I'll try rolling back (famous last 
words!).


No, I don't have any antimaware on my computer. I did use Ccleaner once but 
it disabled my Pontes downloader. My only antivirus is the MS defender which 
appears to be very accepting of screen readers (at least, on Windows 8.1.


Thanks for your  suggestions anyway.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:54 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

Just a thought.


Since you tell there is a few other things wrong with your computer,
what immediately popped into my mind, would be to roll back your
computer a few weeks. That is, unless you would happen to remember if
you installed, uninstalled or modified any piece of software - prior to
the issues on your computer starting to show up.


If you now happen to remember approximately when all of these things
started to occur, you could try to restore your computer to a date prior
to that time. That would mean you rolling back any updates and so forth,
and before doing any attempt, I would suggest you make sure to back up
all your personal data. Then restore the system a month or two back, and
let it run all updates anew. Sometimes an update - even from trusted
sources like Microsoft, could fail slightly. By rolling back your
system, and letting it reinstall all the latest updates, you might
smoothen out such issues.


A wild guess, but without knowing what you are facing kind of issues, it
really might not be possible to fully assist you. Did you get your CMos
battery changed?


By the way, have you checked your anti-malware, to see if it has
quaranteened anything on your computer? Mine happend to complain one of
the apps in WinEyes, for weeks. No matter if I reinstalled the app
several times, it still kept complaining. Running some thorough scans,
and actually uninstalling some of the anti-ware, seems to have fixed
that issue. Will be interesting to see what happens when I reinstall the
actual anti-ware. If you are running something like for instance
MalwareBytes, it would be worth having it checked up, since it has had
some tendency to quarantine some of the stuff from the screen reader.
Even some anti-virus software might every now and then cause false
positives, meaning that it seemingly detects a virus where no virus is
to be found. Avast, AVG and McAFee, they all have had issues toward
screen readers, down through history. Well, not that they are the only
ones, just to give you some examples. Checking the quarantine vault of
your anti-ware, might sometimes be a challenge with the screen reader.
So if you have two eyes dropping by, it might be worth to let them
assist you. Is there any of the other apps under WinEyes, that causes
you trouble? Knowing that, might give us some further clue what could
possibly be going on.


Lastly, have you tried to turn off all apps under WinEyes, and then
turning them back on - one by one? Make sure always to start out with
the GWToolkit app, since most other apps depend on routines taken from
there. Being a bit tidious, turning on one app at a time, might help you
trace which app nests the real bird-egg. And believe me, computers most
definately have their cuckoobirds, that throw their eggs here, there and
everywhere. Detecting them might sometimes be that hard, people end up
kicking out all the chicks, and reinstalling their whole computer system
afresh.


Sorry if all of this ends up being blahblah in your case, but wanted to
just drop the idea on the board, that you at least might keep every door
open. Hope for you to sort out your issues soon.


deff

David

On 11/30/2019 4:58 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that
is not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much
for tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I don't 
believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is something 
else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is not working. 
So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for tryin to help.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app 
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help. 
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working 
any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder" 
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-----
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

No, I'm not using a braille display, and I have purposely set my W-E not to
look for a braille display. I think my problem may be that I have not 
installed the app properly because when I look at the list of apps in the 
"App Management", WLM is not listed but it is listed under "Add and Remove".


I will try to download your new app tomorrow and
report on it. Thanks again.

Many thanks for taking so much trouble.
-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working
any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line
700 is working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-----Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking
for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
guessing.


Now, if you happen

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks, Lloyd, but I am not using JAws. I'm using Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: email

If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing from
JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders menu and do
what you need to do manually.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-----
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use t

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-----
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choic

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app 
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help. 
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any 
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder" 
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-----
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks for the very detailed explanation of what goes on inside a computer. 
Unfortunately, my problem with the script happened

before my CMOS battery ran out on my.

Thanks anyway.
-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:06 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

Interesting thing you mention, about your Clock battery being outdated.
A very wild guess from my side, but let's just have it mentioned anyway.


Could it possibly be, that your clock is out of time, whenever you start
your computer. This makes some of the security routines in Windows, or
any other Anti-malware you have running, going down. They think they are
not yet to run, since your clock and calendar prove them to not yet
being envented. Say your calendar at start-up might be reverted back to
2015. Any Anti-malware that has been released post-2015, might conclude
it is not yet time to kick in. Had that happen on a computer several
years ago, which ended up letting through a virus on my system. Took me
a bit to figure why the Anti-virus had not detected it.


Thing is, now aday, very often your system is set to synchronize with an
internet timing service. But that does not take place until your
computer is up running. Recently I had a dying clock battery (more
correctly named the CMos battery), and certain trouble with some of the
software on my computer.


OK, now let's suppose something does not fire up correctly, due to a
clock that is being reset every time you turn off your computer. If that
given routine, tries to fire at startup, realizes that it has not yet
been invented, turns itself off, and due to bad programming does not
come back on when the computer is being synchronized with the internet
timing service. Further, let's suppose for the sake of silly computer
fantacy, that the routine in question, just happens to be your outgoing
mail checker. Whenever you try to send -or was it reply to - a message,
this very routine complains. Your Screen Reader app, is not constructed
to handle the complain from your checking routine, and thinks it time to
just throw an error message on you, just for the fun of causing you a
headache.


sounds like a badly constructed bedtime story, doesn't it? And yet,
computers are like that. If you ever happen to see a list of routines
running at any time on your computer, you would be surprised. more like
150 is nothing. 300, well we soon get there. And it could be a much
higher number, if you wanted to see all the subroutines, that are being
called temporarily every time something takes place on your system. You
think of typing a character, and having that one showing up on the
screen, as two small routines: One for receiving your typed character,
and another for kicking it out on the screen. Oh no. Here are numerous
routines, or tiny pieces of software involved. Your keyboard registers
what key has been pressed, sends a "Scan-Code" to the computer. It is
busy with something else, so it sends back a ""Busy, keep waiting"
signal, or it throws the scan code on hold in memory, now causing
another routine to store a note about what is in line. Finally the CPU
is ready, sends a signal asking for the info from the keyboard, receives
the scan code, and forrwards it to the Text Editor software - like Word.
Here it is being transcribed to a code that the editor knows how to
handle, and the editor looks it up in its registers, to find out how to
design the shape of the character, or perhaps it just forwards a new
code to the screen processor, which will hold info about what font, size
and attributes to put out. The screen processor receives all this info
from the Editor, goes through an untold amount of routines, to determine
which pixels - or tiny light-bulbs - to turn on. It first will have to
make sure to turn off any pixels in the area it decides will be proper
for your character to show up, and then it has to turn on each and every
pixel, one by one. A character, with all its colors and attributes set,
might run into a considerable amount. Well-sized, you might not be
surprised that a single character will be made up of a hundred pixels,
or even more. Finally, these pixels light up, and you are ready to go on
with your next typing. Ah, wait a moment! Isn't it so, that you are on a
screen reader? Doesn't that mean that the screen processor - or probably
the editor software - has to answer yet another query? An answer that
has to be processed by the screen reader, any app under the screen
reader, and finally the speech synthesizer itself? And if you now think
you are ready to hear the character spoken, you better forget about it.
The screen reader processed result, now will have to be send back to the
CPU of your computer, telling it to "please forward" the info to the
sound board - whenever such forwarding is convenient for the CPU, as
well as for the sound card. Reaching through to the sound card

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

Thanks so much for trying to help. Tom, I have downloaded your 
"windowslivemail.wepm" and will be following your instructions carefully in 
a few days. I will then report what happened. In the meantime, I am waiting 
for my computer technician to come with a new battery to keep my computer 
clock working properly.


Thanks again, I really do appreciate your help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choic

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks so much for your instructions. will try it.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Peter,

Incidentally, what you actually pasted into your message to the list was the 
complete text of the app.

How you got it, makes me scratch my head in puzzlement.
What we would really need in order to help is the error report.
This report would be generated if you press the correct button in the dialog 
precisely when the error dialog appears.

You would then find the report in the Window-Eyes profile folder.
It could be most easily found if you sort the profile folder by date, since 
the report is a text file having the name of the app.
You find the profile folder by choosing the Explore profile folder in the 
File menu of the control panel.
You would then just open the file in Notepad, select its contents and paste 
it into a message to the list.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 9:14 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

  

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,
Thanks so much for trying to help. I did include a copy of the error message 
in my last message. Unfortunately, I do not know how to find out more about 
the app which is giving the error message except that it appears to be some 
kind of Microsoft app. The  error appears a minute or so after I have 
pressed alt+s to send out an e-mail.I cannot get out of it unless I choose 
"Restart App". I will try my best to find out more about this error message 
but I am not sure how to proceed. If I do manage to do so, I will post it 
here.


Thanks anyway.
\

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set to

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Net,

Thanks for your suggestion. I will try it out to see what happens.



-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: email

have you tried re installing the wlm app package? or maybe doing a wlm 
system

repair?
the repair is done in the program and features list. look for the essentuals
program. start a uninstall. it will open a dialog with options to uninstall 
or

repair all the essentuals programs that ar installed.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

   Else

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_REORDER)

   End If

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

I suppose you are right, but old habits die hard. I guess that I will have 
to make the plunge sooner or later.


Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Peter,

This is the problem with continuing to use Window-Eyes when it is no longer 
being supported.
In the current situation, it forces people to try to keep using Window-Eyes 
by tinkering with it.

In order to tinker with it, you have to be an advanced user.
If I run into these situations, I begin by disabling the associated app, and 
see if I really need it in order to use the program which the app was 
written for.

If you're willing to do this, you can go ahead and try.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk On Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 10, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEv

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

Private toField

Private autoCompleteSelected

Private myMSAAEventSource

Private autoCompleteEntries

Private myHotkeys

Private messageWindow

Pr

email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

   Else

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_REORDER)

   End If

   Set Init = Me

   End Function


   Private Sub RegisterHotkeys(wObj)

   Dim i


   ' Begin

   For i = 1 to 7

   Set myHotkeys("myAlt" & i & "HotKey") =

Keyboard.RegisterHotkey("Alt-" & i, hotkeyProxy, wObj, i, True)

   Next

   End Sub


   Public Sub HotkeyProc(hotkeyID, firstPress)

   Dim accObj, noteWindow, searchStr, result, location, speakStr, match


   ' Begin

   Set accObj = ActiveWindow.Accessible

   Set noteWindow = Nothing

   Set location = Nothing

   Set result = Nothing

   searchStr = ""

   speakStr = ""

   match = fmExact


   If Not accObj Is Nothing Then

   Set noteWindow = GetAccessibleByName(accObj.Children,

"NoteWindow", fmExact)

   If Not noteWindow Is Nothing Then

   Select Case hotkeyID

   Case 1 ' Alt-1: From

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hell all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had 
no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a 
script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices: 
retry, sgtop, edit script or restart script. I have to choose the last 
option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function 
properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who 
understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script 
which is supposed to be re-edited.


' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with 
this package.

Option Explicit

Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath & 
"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath & 
"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL = 
"http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml;

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing
Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing
Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing
Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0
Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""
Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing
Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0
Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing
Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0
Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0

Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing
Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0
Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0
Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing
Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""
Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0

Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000
Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"

Class MessageWindowClass
   Private toField
   Private autoCompleteSelected
   Private myMSAAEventSource
   Private autoCompleteEntries
   Private myHotkeys
   Private messageWindow
   Private msaaEvents
   Private timers
   Private startTimerProxy
   Private hotkeyProxy
   Private msaaEventProxy

   Public Sub Class_Initialize()

   ' Begin
   Set toField = Nothing
   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing
   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource
   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me, 
"TimerProc")
   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me, 
"HotkeyProc")
   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me, 
"MSAAProc")

   End Sub

   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)
   ' Begin
   Set messageWindow = wObj
   RegisterHotkeys wObj
   ' We only need to hook events for new messages
   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow
   If newMessage Then
   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) = 
ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus", 
msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)
   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) = 
ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange", 
msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

   Else
   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) = 
ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder", 
msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_REORDER)

   End If
   Set Init = Me
   End Function

   Private Sub RegisterHotkeys(wObj)
   Dim i

   ' Begin
   For i = 1 to 7
   Set myHotkeys("myAlt" & i & "HotKey") = 
Keyboard.RegisterHotkey("Alt-" & i, hotkeyProxy, wObj, i, True)

   Next
   End Sub

   Public Sub HotkeyProc(hotkeyID, firstPress)
   Dim accObj, noteWindow, searchStr, result, location, speakStr, match

   ' Begin
   Set accObj = ActiveWindow.Accessible
   Set noteWindow = Nothing
   Set location = Nothing
   Set result = Nothing
   searchStr = ""
   speakStr = ""
   match = fmExact

   If Not accObj Is Nothing Then
   Set noteWindow = GetAccessibleByName(accObj.Children, 
"NoteWindow", fmExact)

   If Not noteWindow Is Nothing Then
   Select Case hotkeyID
   Case 1 ' Alt-1: From
   searchStr = myStrings("MSG_FIELDS_FROM")
   Case 2 ' Alt-2: Date
   searchStr = myStrings("MSG_FIELDS_DATE")
   Case 3 ' Alt-3: To
   

Re: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks for the link.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:46 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

For those who are interested, I have uploaded an archive of WE apps.
This was drawn from the App Central, shortly before the screen reader
was discontinued. Hence, I guess it holds pretty much the newest version
of the apps. I even have included the very most up-to-date version of
the extended Dictionary.

This archive holds about 270 apps. A few apps - which were released, but
which I never wanted - has been removed. Still, it should fathom quite
much of the apps ever released for the screen reader.

Please, as I will only keep it there for a short while, make sure to
download while it still is available. After downloading, you will have a
zipped archive, holding all the WEPM installers for the individaul apps.
There even is a folder, holding some older version of certain apps. I
kept it there, in case any of it would be of interest, though I am not
sure if that really would be so.

Below, you will find the links. One starts the download directly, the
other require certain user interaction.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=1

--
David

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Re: help with outlook 2016

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks, Rod, for the  file. I managed to download it by choosing "Save 
Target As".


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 6:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

So happy for you! Smile.
Okay, try this link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk

Sent: September 24, 2019 6:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Doing alright here, have an adorable girlfriend in Michegan.

Sorry to say when I clicked on the link I got a code 4000 error. It said the 
files are safe. This outlook has a jynx honestly.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: 24 September 2019 10:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk

Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it 
I would be extremely gratefull.


Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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Re: help with outlook 2016

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks so much, Rod, for these notes. There seems to be some Microsoft 
script error or incompatibility with Window-Eyes in my WLM which I am using 
as my e-mail client so I may have to shift over to Outloook. These notes 
will be very helpful if and when I do.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 3:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Below are some notes I keep on the subject of setting up Window-Eyes for use 
with Outlook.
Also, note that whereas you may be used to jumping from the folder pane to 
the message list using Tab, this has been changed in newer versions of 
Outlook to Ctrl-Tab or F6.
And, note also that before jumping into a list of messages, you must first 
press Enter to select the folder in the folder pane.

Okay, here you go for the notes.

How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

It needs to be emphasized that these steps must be done in the ordre listed.

First, install the set files for the most current version of Office or 
whatever version of Office you are using.
This is done from the Factory Settings dialog, opened from the File menu 
within the Window-Eyes control panel.
Indeed, Office 365 is the most accessible version of Office to use with any 
screen reader, and this is because Microsoft is updating it on a monthly 
basis.
At the time of this writing, Office 2016 is the most current version of 
Office, and it is the version included in Office 365.
Next, install the Office Enhance app, and then the Outlook Enhance app, in 
this precise order.
Even if the above two apps are already installed, you can reinstall them 
without uninstalling them.
Note that a reboot is always required after installing the Outlook Enhance 
app.
Next, make sure that the Outlook Enhance add-on isn't disabled within 
Outlook, as follows:

From the main Outlook window, press:

alt-f, t, A twice, tab 4 times.
Down arrow to disabled and tab to go and press enter.
Next, arrow through, if something like Outlook Enhance is in the list, press 
space on it.

Shift-tab to enable and press enter.
Press Ok or close all dialogs you opened.
Restart outlook.

A point about the display of messages in the message window:
Alt-Shift-V toggles the virtualization of messages, that is, the display of 
message content like a web page.
This is the most convenient way to display messages since it allows the 
opening of web page links from within messages just as though you had opened 
them on a web page.
Message virtualization can also be toggled from the Outlook Enhance app menu 
from within the Window-Eyes control panel.


Further, from within the message window, the hot keys Alt-1 through 7 read 
the message headers, and, any of these, pressed a second time, will place 
the cursor on the corresponding header.
Also, the hot key Control-Alt-A opens the Save Attachments dialog, where you 
can choose a location to save any or all the files attached to the message.
Note that if the dialog does not appear when you press this hot key, the 
dialog may have opened, but you may need to Alt-tab to it.
Attachments can also be save by choosing the File Attachments option from 
the File menu within the message window.
Perhaps the easiest method of handling attachments is to press Alt-7 twice 
to focus the list of attachments, and you can tab through the various 
options for opening or saving any or all of them.


Regarding the reading of headers or saving attachments, it is possible that 
these functions might not be available or perform as expected.
In this case, it may be necessary to repeat the above configuration steps, 
or simply restart Outlook, or even reboot the system to reset all of the 
required components.

This should get everything up and running properly.

Outlook allows you to configure the display of messages in any folder, and 
even to apply such views to other folders.

This is done from the View tab in the main Outlook window.
if you find that your messages aren't displaying properly in the list of 
messages in any folder, you can reset the view by pressing the following 
keys, one at a time, Alt, V, X.

Here Ends How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk

Sent: September 23, 2019 1:55 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: help with outlook 2016

Hi List,



Are there any tutorials or advice about setting up outlook 2016? I was using 
outlook 2007. There is too much on the subject line.lol




Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.



Live long and prosper, John

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Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks Rod. Will try that.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 2:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Reading cells and fields in xl

Hi Peter,

First, press Escape several times to ensure that you are not editing a cell 
or are in any menu.

Then, arrow keys move you around the spreadsheet.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: August 11, 2019 6:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

By the way, how do you move from column to column?

-Original Message-
From: Moe Adl via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 7:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Moe Adl
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk

wrote:

Hello Everyone

 I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to
read character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so
I can't use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor
across names and numbers?

 With thanks in advance

  Mike.

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Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

[peter Chin via Talk]

To unprotect a file I usually go to the properties of the file before 
opening it and in the "General" tab page, I tab to  "Unblock", press enter 
or spacebar and that usually unprotects it.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 4:11 PM
To: Moe Adl via Talk
Cc: Mike
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

Hello


Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to work on my machine.  After
pressing f6 followed by space f2 I get the same message about protected
mode.  Many thanks though for taking the time to reply.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 11/08/2019 00:42, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:

Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk  
wrote:


Hello Everyone

  I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to read 
character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so I can't 
use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor across 
names and numbers?


  With thanks in advance

   Mike.

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Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

[peter Chin via Talk]

By the way, how do you move from column to column?

-Original Message- 
From: Moe Adl via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 7:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Moe Adl
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk  
wrote:


Hello Everyone

 I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to read 
character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so I can't 
use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor across 
names and numbers?


 With thanks in advance

  Mike.

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Re: Fix for Window-Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks for your suggestion. I will keep it in case I come across this 
problem.


In the meantime, since last week, I have been getting problems with my 
Windows 8.1 machine and Window-Eyes 9.5.4. On start up, Window-Eyes seems to 
get stuck in some sort of custom control and the computer becomes useless 
until I restart Window-Eyes with ALT+CTRL+W. I waonder what could be causing 
this problem.

Any suggestions from anyone would be welcome.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 3:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Fix for Window-Eyes

Hi everyone,

For those who are having issues getting Window-Eyes to load at all, or 
perhaps to load without throwing an error, I think I have a fix.
I do believe that three apps are causing problems and should be disabled in 
the App Manager.

These are:

Eloquence fix
diagnostics
windows enhance

If you cannot get Window-Eyes to load at all, you can get it to load by 
pressing the normal hot key to load it, that is, Ctrl-Alt-W, and then 
quickly press and hold down the left shift key, not the right one, but the 
left one.
This loads Window-Eyes with apps off, and you can then proceed to set app 
execution to manual in the apps menu.
Once you do this, you can go to the app manager, find the above apps, and 
disable them.
After this, you can set app execution to on again, and Window-Eyes should be 
restored to proper operation.
The one functionality of the Windows enhance app which you will miss is the 
enhanced system tray, where the app would fill the system tray with all the 
notification area icons it could find.
However,you can still manually turn on icons in Windows settings, like you 
have to do with other screen readers.

I hope this helps many of you having troubles.

Good luck,

Rod

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Re: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Dear Rod,

Thanks for this information. I feel that Windows 10 is still in a state of 
flux and changeability. That's one reason I don't yet want to install 
Windows 10 on my computer.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 10:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

Hi everyone,

I want to alert you to a new feature in Windows 10 1903 which caused me a 
great deal of trouble with Window-Eyes until I found the problem and 
corrected it.
There is a new feature in Windows 10 1903 called Storage Sense which you can 
learn about here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12425/windows-10-free-up-drive-space
The feature is intended to make Windows run better by automatically freeing 
up disk space by removing files which Windows decides are no longer 
necessary.
Window-Eyes is installed in a folder which is typically reserved for 
temporary files, i.e., within the AppData folder for the current user 
account.
By default, Windows 10 is configured to remove temporary files, and so 
Window-Eyes can easily be broken by Windows 10.
Now, this is usually not a problem on drives which have sufficient available 
space.
However, on one of my virtual machines, Windows 10 is installed on a 60 GB 
virtual hard drive.
Therefore, on this machine, Windows 10 decided to perform some disk cleanup 
and so Window-Eyes threw an error whenever I ran it.
Interestingly, I found the cause of my problem using Narrator, with which I 
was able to read notifications from Windows indicating that I had deleted 
files, and that I had the option of restoring them.
I thought that I was going crazy since I did not remember deleting any 
files.
Remembering past posts on this list from users like Netbat who noted how 
files like wineyes.ini can be corrupted, I wondered whether any of my 
Window-Eyes files were being corrupted or deleted.
Anyway, I decided to choose the restore files option from the Windows 
notification, and, after a reboot, Window-Eyes came back to life.
However, this happy state of affairs didn't last long, since, within a short 
period of time, a few minutes in fact, when I restarted Window-Eyes, it 
threw an error again.
I'm trying to think back to how I found out that Windows has a quite 
aggressive disk space manager built into its most recent version, but I 
eventually did.
One of the features of Windows I have been researching recently is OneDrive, 
which has been evolving quite remarkably, and it, too, has a feature, called 
Files on demand, which is an attempt to deal with the storage space 
limitations of newer Windows devices.

The page link I have provided above also has a link to learn about OneDrive.
While Microsoft is certainly doing a lot of work to add features to its 
software, you really have to study these settings carefully in order to 
benefit from them and avoid problems.
Anyway, at this point I want to suggest that you go into your Windows 
settings, search for Storage Sense, and turn off this feature until you have 
time to consider its implications for your own system, or at least adjust 
the settings in order to prevent Windows making decisions which you don't 
want.

I hope this helps you all in your travels. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: MS Office question

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

As far as I know, any home or professional (which I presume would include 
Business) version of Ms Office from 2007 onwards should entitle you to 
Window-Eyes freed version. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. However, 
make sure that your Ms Office is properly  registered. My computer 
technician did the registration  for me so I can't tell you the steps.


Good luck.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 4:34 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: MS Office question

Anyone here has any experience, or know the rules?


I am trying to get hold of a copy of MS Office, and thought I might save
a few dollars, on buying one of the former versions. Got some offer
here, for unopened and fully licensed versions, but got confused about
their titles.


One says Home and Student, the other reads Home and Business. Well, I am
neither a student, nor a business owner. But since they both states
Home, will it still be legal for me? Or, was there any other version
that I should look out for?


They are both Office 2010. Anyone knows when Microsoft would end support
for that version, or maybe they have already done so?


Finally, I got one more offer, this time for Office 2019. Would someone
happen to know whether that version is accessible with WinEyes? Guess
NVDA and Jaws are OK with 2019, but would hate to loose WinEyes
functionality.


Allright, I do know of the subscription versions of Office, but I really
don't want that kind of ongoing expenses. Rather pay once, and you know
what you've got. Subscribe, and next month - or next year - Microsoft
decides to change something, and all the sudden you are lost, and have
to spend days in figuring your way around the new features.


Thanks for all feedback, that I can make the most informed decition. And
please, since I am outside North-Americas, I was under the impression
the Microsoft Assistance line would not be available for me. If I am
mistaken, I'd be glad to know.


--
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Re: window eyes changed to demo

[peter Chin via Talk]

If anyone wants the WE for Office, I could put it in my Dropbox and send the 
link to this list.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: window eyes changed to demo

Hi,

I've been using Window-Eyes retail for years.
The only time I found my installed copy of Window-Eyes becoming a demo 
version was when I was re-installing Window-Eyes by using incremental 
upgrade packages.
One time, when I tried an experiment, and upgraded version 7.0 to 8.0, it 
turned into a demo.
Indeed, even when I upgraded to the next version, i.e., 8.4, it would not go 
out of demo mode.
This confused me, and yet there was no alternative for me but to completely 
uninstall Window-Eyes and then re-install all the incremental packages.
I don't believed I used the Removal Tool, which is on every CD, and note 
that you must use the version of the Removal Tool for the version of 
Window-Eyes you are uninstalling.
I do believe, as I say, that I simply uninstalled Window-Eyes from 
Add/Remove Programs, rebooted, and then installed all the incremental 
packages in the proper sequence.
If you're running Windows 10, you can't even install Window-Eyes unless you 
have at least 9.2.
In that event, you could try to use each of them in the proper sequence, in 
order to finally arrive at 9.5.4.
What makes me dubious is that even 9.5.4 had an upgrade to a version with 
the same number and yet it had a renewed licence which had recently expired.
To make a long story short, I think you'll need a zip archive containing the 
final fully-licenced 9.5.4.

This would be either Window-Eyes for Office or a retail version.
A recent google search reveals that the former is no longer available at 
http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com

The latter may be available from a good Samaritan. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Ron or Susan Denis via Talk

Sent: May 29, 2019 8:22 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ron or Susan Denis 
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

It is a privately owned copy of we and not the free version.  It may be that 
there  is no simple solution to thiss problem.  Ron Denis




-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

Was it a Windows Eyes for Office or a copy  purchased?


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo



my old netbook suddwnly changed from full model to demo. tried to register
and was told file does not exist.   open to any suggestions of how to
regain registered status.
Ron Denis
rs_de...@bellsouth.net
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key
is
the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in
Window-Eyes.
Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the
current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will
be
productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a

Re: Question About WLM

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I, too, have a question about WLM. My computer technician installed it for 
me. However, I have never been able to get the spellcheck to work. When I go 
to the menu to look at it, it says that it is "disabled". How do I enable 
it?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

as far as the windows are conserned they usually do not stay maximized. once
you reload wlm they usually revert back to the state they were before.
***
if you can find it try re installing the wlm app. this also has the set 
files

wlm uses.
a few times i had to do this because something happend to the installation 
and

i had to re install it to get it working again.
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


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Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

[peter Chin via Talk]

Talking about "funky" behaviour in MS Office 16, I do experience some of 
that too. Whenever I exit from Word or Exel, the computer seems to hang for 
a long time before finally coming back to life.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 4:41 AM
To: rgarrett5--- via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

The kind folks over at Freedom Scientific took down the app site. But
Carol just posted a Dropbox link to all the apps a day or two ago. If
she doesn't see this message I'll do the same because I do have them all
in a zip file, somewhere. But of course there are no updates. Although I
think Rod has updated some of his. But He'll have to chime in on that front.
As for Office 2016. We'll need a little more than "I get some funky
behavior on occasion."
Regards,
Tom


On 10/8/2018 8:38 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk wrote:

Greetings,

When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update 
failed.
Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE.  Also, using Office 2016 
and
I get some funky behavior on occasion.  Any input appreciated.  Bob 
Garrett


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2. Re: Considering Voice over (Tony C)
3. Re: Considering Voice over (Rod Hutton)
4. Re: ChromeBook Accessibility (Rod Hutton)
5. Re: Considering Voice over (George Savory)
6. Re: Considering VoiceOver (geo...@optonline.net)
7. Re: Considering VoiceOver (Butch Bussen)
8. RE: Considering VoiceOver (Amanda Lee)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +
From: Manny Gee 
To: "talk@lists.window-eyes.com" 
Subject: Considering Voice over
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over 
to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the 
voice-over.


I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny




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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500
From: "Tony C" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: Considering Voice over
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reply-type=original

Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands 
and

35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.

-Original Message-
From: Manny Gee via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Manny Gee
Subject: Considering Voice over

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over 
to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the 
voice-over.


I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny



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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:34:54 +
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Hi Tony,

Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception.
If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot 
of

dedicated navigation keys.
Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the arrow keys for
navigation.

Best,

Rod

Sent from my iPod


On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Tony C 

Re: w e sounds

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

Thanks for trying to help. May be I wasn't very clear when stating my
problem and I'm sorry about that. What I meant was that my Progress 
Indicator App does not work properly. It doesn't produce the beeps although 
it does announce the percentages.


As I said before, I have all my WE sounds except that the Progress indicator
sounds are not working. As I also said, I checked in the AppData, not the 
Progress file

folder and the Progress sounds are all there and work when you press enter
on them individually. Earlier this year, several people gave me instructions
on how to get the Progress Indicator working again and, as far as I know, I
have followed them to the letter but no joy. I do occasionally get a beep or
two. I will try to go through the instructions again, especially those given 
by David, to see what I did wrong. If that doesn't work, then it looks as if 
I may have to re-install the progress indicator app again.


Thanks all again.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: w e sounds

Hi Peter and all,

I'm forwarding my earlier post on the subject of restoring WE sounds.
Read all the way through and you should have the full procedure.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: w e sounds

Hi,

Thanks to Netbat, it remains for me simply to provide the list of which
sound file goes with which event.
You can simply paste the full path of each file into the corresponding edit
box.
Once you do this for each of the six events, tab to the Apply button to
apply the change.
Here is the list:

Browse mode On:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\bm_in.wav"

Browse mode Off:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\bm_out.wav"

New browser window background:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\nbrowseb.wav"

New browser window foreground:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\nbrowsef.wav"

Shutdown Window-Eyes:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\we_shutdown.wav"

Startup Window-Eyes:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\we_startup.wav"

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: w e sounds

go to control panel, sounds, then find the control tab for  sounds. by pass
the sound scheme name and save as until you get to  program events.
with me window eyes sounds are the last option in the list. there are 6
sounds.
if they are un defined it will say there is none. if so this is where you
will have to tab to browse and search for each w e sound.
they would be in c:\program files x86\gwmicro\wineyes.
they are not in the windows\media folder.
unless you know which file belongs to each event you would have to try each
of them until the are associated to the right event.
there is a test button in the sounds program to try the sound out you are
useing.
if you mess up you can click on cancel and the sounds will revert back to
the way it was before you made any changes.

-Original Message-
From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:36 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: w e sounds

So you find the sounds you want and then go to the program folder to somehow
create a path?  Will try it and maybe WE will tell me more.
You're right.  The sounds don't just pop back.


Natalie


On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

   its all here in the last message.
if you have ever changed your windows themes. like from windows basic
to windows 7 it will un define the window eyes sounds.
they are in the sounds in the control panel. then tab the windows sounds.
then find window eyes sounds. there are 6 of them.
they will be undefined. it will say none for there sounds.
but you will have to browse for the sounds they are not in the
windows/media folder. they are in the program files x86/gwmicro/wineyes
folder.


-Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: w e sounds

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do this?
Pam.

-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: w e sounds

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the
window eyes folder where the wave files are.
there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not
there though.



-Original 

Re: w e sounds

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I still have all my WE sounds except my progress bar sounds despite 
following all instructions to the letter. I checked in the WE Appdata folder 
and the sound are all there and work if you press enter on them. However, I 
get no sounds when copying or downloading files except for an occasional 
beep or two. It din't use to be like that.


Mine is a 32-bit Windows 8.1 machine with the latest Wineyes. Any ideas 
anyone?


-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Subject: Re: w e sounds

At 11:47 PM 9/12/2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do

this? Pam.

If you can reinstall Window-eyes, you'll get your sounds back.
Otherwise, I could email them to you as attachments.

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Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

So far I have been able to open ExceL files using Win-Eyes 9.5.4, but often 
have to "Unprotect" them. However, coming out of such files seems to be 
problematic. I seem to land in a kind of frame from which I find it 
difficult to escape.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 11:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

Hi Loy,

I'm running Window-Eyes 9.5.4 within Windows 10 build 1803 with Excel from 
Office 365 and have had no problems opening a single spreadsheet which I 
edit over and over again to keep track of my expenses.
Therefore, my experience is only with a single spreadsheet, but, as I say, 
I'm having no problems using Window-Eyes.

I wish I could think of some reason why you're having problems.
If I think of something, I'll let you know. Smile

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

Sent: July 2, 2018 10:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

The problem is that it will not open. I tried to save it and same thing 
happens. But if I have JAWS  running it will open just fine.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 8:35 PM
 Subject: RE: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


 Hi Loy,

 That is not quite right.
 It could open, but still be protected.
 Is it fully editable with JFW?
 You didn't give many details about your experience, and so all I can do is 
guess.


 Best,

 Rod

 Sent from Outlook for Windows

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

 Sent: July 2, 2018 7:05 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy Green 
 Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files

 It's not protected, if it were it would not open under JAWS.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk

   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:07 PM
   Subject: Re: Problem with window eyes and opening Excel files


   Hi,

   If you got the file from the Internet, have you unprotected it first?

   Best,

   Rod



   Sent from my iPod

   > On Jul 2, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Loy Green via Talk 
 wrote:

   >
   > Any one else having this problem when opening an excel or Word file in 
Windows 10 while Window Eyes is running. I am getting a message file is 
corrupt. I know it must be WE problem because this doesn't happen when using 
JAWS.

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Re: still having same problem with toggle

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks for the link. Looks as if I may be forced to update to Windows 10 
sooner than I had hoped.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: still having same problem with toggle

Hi Nick and Peter,

Here is a link to Microsoft's policy on end of life cycle support for their 
operating systems:


https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

I do believe that some of their dates have changed and so it looks as though 
Windows 8.1 Is going out of date this year, at least as far as comsumer 
desktop support goes.

See the page for details.
I have installed Windows 7 in a virtual machine in order to avoid losing it.
This will allow me to use it pretty much for years to come, although I 
wouldn't be using it on the web down the road, for security reasons.

We can all continue to help each other.
It looks as though App Central has gone off-line for good, and it's probably 
only a matter of time before this list goes as well.
Most of us have subscribed to Dennis Long's list to be able to remain in 
touch with each other.


All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: June 26, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle

I'm in a similar situation, and while I'm pleased with 8.1, remember
that as of 2020, it will not be supported (if I am correct).

On 6/26/2018 4:47 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Rod,

You have been so helpful. It's thanks to people like you and tom and
many others on this list tha I have been able to keep going with
Window-Eyes. I have refused to update to Windows 10 for now, at least
and am still using Windows 8.1 which serves my purposes. Maybe if I hear
that the new Narrator is really useful, I might update to Windows 10.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: still having same problem with toggle

Hi Richard,

It is possible that you have outdated versions of some of the default
Window-Eyes apps.
Unfortunately, the App Central app repository seems to be off-line at
present, and so I have placed a zip archive containing the default
Window-Eyes apps in my DropBox.

From within this archive, I recommend installing Office Enhanced and
Outlook

Enhanced just to be certain you have the most up to date versions of
these apps.
The link to this archive in my DropBox is:
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F2tqUf3i=02%7C01%7C%7C2cdef14e88a7461081eb08d5dbd0efdc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636656612771269321=N0zmtzGqcry1hSDns9g52fJEp%2FUp2Bpk%2FNKcWNvFCqU%3D=0

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:10 PM
To: cur...@calweb.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kurlander Richard (75)
Subject: RE: still having same problem with toggle

I don't know why at work it gives me a problem no problem at home.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:25 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Curtis Delzer 
Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle

I am running the latest updated windows and we9.5.4 and mine does say "
"voice global toggle scope"  in the keyboard menu.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:46:19 +
"Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk"  
wrote:





When I am in the  keyboard menu and I go to voice and hit the tab key
I hear toggle only  in order to hear voice global toggle scope I must
hit the enter key twice why? This happens when there is a toggle
involved no matter which menu you are in. this happens with 1709
windows version that I am using a t work at home doesn't happen use
ver 1803 and in fact never happened on my  home machine. If you can
help me fix the problem please call me 2128021633 -Original
Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol 
Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle

At 04:06 PM 6/5/2018, Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk wrote:
 >Whenever I go to  the keyboard settings it says toggle button I have
 >to hit enter twice to hear for example voice global toggle scope. Why?
 >I am using windows 10 version 1709 my it. Guy just reimaged the
 >machine and the problem isn't fix

Re: still having same problem with toggle

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

You have been so helpful. It's thanks to people like you and tom and many 
others on this list tha I have been able to keep going with Window-Eyes. I 
have refused to update to Windows 10 for now, at least and am still using 
Windows 8.1 which serves my purposes. Maybe if I hear that the new Narrator 
is really useful, I might update to Windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: still having same problem with toggle

Hi Richard,

It is possible that you have outdated versions of some of the default 
Window-Eyes apps.
Unfortunately, the App Central app repository seems to be off-line at 
present, and so I have placed a zip archive containing the default 
Window-Eyes apps in my DropBox.
From within this archive, I recommend installing Office Enhanced and Outlook 
Enhanced just to be certain you have the most up to date versions of these 
apps.

The link to this archive in my DropBox is:
http://bit.ly/2tqUf3i

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:10 PM
To: cur...@calweb.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kurlander Richard (75)
Subject: RE: still having same problem with toggle

I don't know why at work it gives me a problem no problem at home.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:25 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Curtis Delzer 
Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle

I am running the latest updated windows and we9.5.4 and mine does say "
"voice global toggle scope"  in the keyboard menu.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:46:19 +
"Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk"  wrote:




When I am in the  keyboard menu and I go to voice and hit the tab key
I hear toggle only  in order to hear voice global toggle scope I must
hit the enter key twice why? This happens when there is a toggle
involved no matter which menu you are in. this happens with 1709
windows version that I am using a t work at home doesn't happen use
ver 1803 and in fact never happened on my  home machine. If you can
help me fix the problem please call me 2128021633 -Original
Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol 
Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle

At 04:06 PM 6/5/2018, Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk wrote:
 >Whenever I go to  the keyboard settings it says toggle button I have 
 >to hit enter twice to hear for example voice global toggle scope. Why?
 >I am using windows 10 version 1709 my it. Guy just reimaged the 
 >machine and the problem isn't fixed.



In this case, the toggle button will rotate you between global and app 
settings. If you choose global, your settings will be applied to all 
setfiles.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: auto-paragraphs

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Sorry I am very behind times as I have been away for a while.

Thanks very much for your very clear explanation about auto-paragraphing in
MSWord. I have a question for you. If we indent all the lines of a
paragraph, how do e type things like numbers of letters in parentheses on
the margin of the first line of a paragraph?

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:33 AM
To: CJ MAY via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: auto-paragraphs

Here's how I do it.
In Office 365, which is Word 2016, just activate the Paragraph option in
the context menu. It's the same as pressing Alt-Q for the search box in
the ribbon and entering paragraph. This will give you paragraph
settings. Pressing enter will open that dialog. Otherwise it's a button
under the layout tab.
Tab down through and set the first line indent to whatever you want.
Ignore the left and right fields as these are for indenting entire
paragraphs, which is something you might use to visually offset a
paragraph length quotation of someone else's work by making both margins
larger.
The first line selection is in a combo-box.
Tab down to the Set as default button and press it.
Now, every time you hit enter you'll have a new paragraph that's
automatically indented. To remove the indent from the first paragraph of
each scene or section just go to the first line, press Home to be sure
you're on the first character, and press backspace.
If you want confirmation, press Control+Numpad plus before backspace.
You should hear for example, 1.5 inches from left, 1.0 inches from top.
backspace and press Control+numpad plus again and you should hear 1.0
inches from left, 1.0 inches from top.
the thing you have to remember though is not to remove the indent until
after you've started the second paragraph. Doing so turns off the
automatic indentation for the document. But this is useful when you want
to do just that for a document.
Pressing the tab key once will also indent. But you have to remember to
do it on every new paragraph. And most editors don't want tabbed
indentations.
And finally, Control+M indents the entire paragraph. For example, let's
say you have no automatic indentation of the first line going on. So
every line will begin at 1.5 inches from the left. Pressing Control+M
will shift the entire paragraph to the indentation level. So every line
will begin at 2 inches from the left.
Hth,
Tom


On 5/12/2018 5:40 AM, CJ MAY via Talk wrote:

What my tutor wants is for me to submit my material in double line spacing
with the first paragraph left-aligned and all subsequent paragraphs
indented.
So, what I would do is write the first paragraph without indenting. Then,
because the text is double-line spaced, pressing the enter key once (to
create a new line) acts as a new paragraph.
Until now, I have been pressing the space bar five times on these new 
lines

to indent the paragraph but my tutor would prefer me to use Microsoft's
auto-paragraph function.
Microsoft has an auto-paragraphing command, which I've found in the 
context

menu but I'm unsure how to use it.
Also, Microsoft also offer control m as a way of indenting a paragraph.
What I'm asking is how do I use the auto-paragraph function in the context
menu or, whether by pressing control m on the second paragraph would then
mean that all subsequent paragraphs would be indented, as with bullets and
auto-numbering?

Alison

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Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Phil,

I tried your suggestion and it worked. Thanks so much. That has saved me 
from having to reinstall Window-Eyes.


Thanks once again.

-Original Message- 
From: Phil Cox via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Phil Cox
Subject: Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

Hello

Have you gone to the WindowEyes control panel and opened the file menu where
there a Factory Settings choice where you should be able to install the
default settings .

Take a look.
Phil

- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>;
<windoweyesus...@groups.io>
Cc: "peter Chin" <peter.chi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings



Hell all,

I badly need help with my Window-Eyes so I very much hope some kind soul 
can

find a solution for me.


I was fooling around with my Window-Eyes hot key settings under browse 
mode.

That was because I have been unable to read browse mode edit boxes with my
left or right cursor for some time. Instead of improving the situation, I
have made it worse. Now I cannot use my left or right cursor on the desk 
top to read the various icons
or the letters in edit boxes in my e-mail client or when editing file 
names. How can I
get back the use of my left and right cursor when using  Window-Eyes? At 
the moment I have to resort to using Jaws or NVDA.


am using W-E on a Windows 8.1 machine.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance. 
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Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

So sorry but my internet connection has been very bad. I think our internet 
provider is purposely cutting down on servicwes for slower connection as an 
incentive to compel customers to opt for the fiber optic connection. 
Unfortunately, that is a little beyond my budget as I am now retired, so I 
shall have to stick with my slow connection. This means that I can only 
communicate on Skype through text messages. Any way, thanks very much for 
your suggestion.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 6:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

Hi Peter,

You and I had trouble connecting via Skype some time ago.
Please write me off list at
rod_hut...@hotmail.com
And we can try to connect again.
You can leave me a telephone number if you like.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; windoweyesus...@groups.io
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

Hell all,

I badly need help with my Window-Eyes so I very much hope some kind soul can
find a solution for me.


I was fooling around with my Window-Eyes hot key settings under browse mode.
That was because I have been unable to read browse mode edit boxes with my
left or right cursor for some time. Instead of improving the situation, I
have made it worse. Now I cannot use my left or right cursor on the desk top
to read the various icons
or the letters in edit boxes in my e-mail client or when editing file names.
How can I
get back the use of my left and right cursor when using  Window-Eyes? At the
moment I have to resort to using Jaws or NVDA.

am using W-E on a Windows 8.1 machine.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance.
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Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Thanks for your suggestion.  Yes, that's exactly what I thought, yet it 
seems to have affected my navigation on the desktop despite that not being 
in browse mode.  The odd thing is, when I am reading my e-mails in WLM, my 
left and right arrow work normally, but not any where else. Btw, how do you 
undefine a wrongly defined hot key, please?


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:41 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

Peter,
I would think hard about what you changed because browse mode hot keys
would not effect the arrow keys on the desktop, in explorer, etc,
because you're not in browse mode.
Look at hot keys, cursor. The arrows should not be defined in that list.
Also check Cursor keys, keys. Left and right arrow should both be
defined as character after. These are over-ridden when need be, such as
on the desktop.
Hth,
Tom


On 3/22/2018 10:16 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hell all,

I badly need help with my Window-Eyes so I very much hope some kind soul 
can

find a solution for me.


I was fooling around with my Window-Eyes hot key settings under browse 
mode.

That was because I have been unable to read browse mode edit boxes with my
left or right cursor for some time. Instead of improving the situation, I
have made it worse. Now I cannot use my left or right cursor on the desk 
top to read the various icons
or the letters in edit boxes in my e-mail client or when editing file 
names. How can I
get back the use of my left and right cursor when using  Window-Eyes? At 
the moment I have to resort to using Jaws or NVDA.


am using W-E on a Windows 8.1 machine.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance. 
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Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Phil,

Thanks for your suggestion. Will definitely try that.

-Original Message- 
From: Phil Cox via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Phil Cox
Subject: Re: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

Hello

Have you gone to the WindowEyes control panel and opened the file menu where
there a Factory Settings choice where you should be able to install the
default settings .

Take a look.
Phil

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To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>;
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Cc: "peter Chin" <peter.chi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings



Hell all,

I badly need help with my Window-Eyes so I very much hope some kind soul 
can

find a solution for me.


I was fooling around with my Window-Eyes hot key settings under browse 
mode.

That was because I have been unable to read browse mode edit boxes with my
left or right cursor for some time. Instead of improving the situation, I
have made it worse. Now I cannot use my left or right cursor on the desk 
top to read the various icons
or the letters in edit boxes in my e-mail client or when editing file 
names. How can I
get back the use of my left and right cursor when using  Window-Eyes? At 
the moment I have to resort to using Jaws or NVDA.


am using W-E on a Windows 8.1 machine.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance. 
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Need Help with Window-Eyes Settings

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hell all,

I badly need help with my Window-Eyes so I very much hope some kind soul can
find a solution for me.


I was fooling around with my Window-Eyes hot key settings under browse mode.
That was because I have been unable to read browse mode edit boxes with my
left or right cursor for some time. Instead of improving the situation, I
have made it worse. Now I cannot use my left or right cursor on the desk top 
to read the various icons
or the letters in edit boxes in my e-mail client or when editing file names. 
How can I
get back the use of my left and right cursor when using  Window-Eyes? At the 
moment I have to resort to using Jaws or NVDA.


am using W-E on a Windows 8.1 machine.

Hope someone can help me and thanks in advance. 
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Re: virus protection question

[peter Chin via Talk]

I did the same last year but I can't say I have the same confidence in this 
Microsoft antivirus.


-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: virus protection question

Hi, Toni,

I just recently switched from AVG to microsoft defender which is built-in,
so I am told.  So far, so good.

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: virus protection question

Hey guy and gals, I have a question about what virus protection is
accessible with either Jaws or WE. I have been using AVG for several years
and a few months ago they did an update and now neither screen reader is
working well at all with it, also they have gone up on the price. So what
virus is giving the most bang for your buck these days and working well with
screen readers?

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Re: NVDA Users' List

[peter Chin via Talk]

In case no one has given it to you, the NVDA list is at
n...@nvda.groups.io

Hope that helps.

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: NVDA Users' List

Hello. Yes there is an NVDA list. I don't have t he address off the top of
my head, but if you do a google search you should be able to find it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: NVDA Users' List

hello everyone,
Is there an email list for NVDA users similar to this list? I have begun
learning/using NVDA after my copy of WE went into demo mode after upgrading
to W10 and a delay in getting it reregistered through VFO Group.
Thanks,
Janet
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Re: help restoring XP computer

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

That's interesting. I still have a box with Windows XP but I don't go on 
line with it because I don't have an antivirus program on it that works and 
because internet Explorer 8 is being blocked by many websites. How do I get 
that app and how do I use it?


Thanks.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: help restoring XP computer

Hi Peter,

As far as I can tell, that app works only in XP.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:00 AM
To: James; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Yes, but unfortunately, I only have Windows 8.1, not Windows 10.

-Original Message- 
From: James via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: James
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Hi.

That is why you use the Custom_system_restore App. You can do it in 3 key
strokes.
- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: "Carol and Roger via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "peter Chin" <peter.chi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer


As far as restoring is concerned, I regret to say that I have not found
Window-Eyes very helpful. Jaws seem to be better for this.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

I use nero, and I have a version for xp if he wants it.  Go to start,
then programs, then system tools.  Arrow down a bit and you'll see
restore.  I've never done thisk, so don't know how well or if it talks
well.  you also might try sfc, that is system file checker, I forget the
command line switches.  I can do some more idigging for you if needed.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Sun, 18 Feb 2018, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:


Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD and
it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system
restore on the XP machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here and
thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.

Carol


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Re: help restoring XP computer

[peter Chin via Talk]

Yes, but unfortunately, I only have Windows 8.1, not Windows 10.

-Original Message- 
From: James via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: James
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Hi.

That is why you use the Custom_system_restore App. You can do it in 3 key
strokes.
- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: "Carol and Roger via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "peter Chin" <peter.chi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer


As far as restoring is concerned, I regret to say that I have not found
Window-Eyes very helpful. Jaws seem to be better for this.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

I use nero, and I have a version for xp if he wants it.  Go to start,
then programs, then system tools.  Arrow down a bit and you'll see
restore.  I've never done thisk, so don't know how well or if it talks
well.  you also might try sfc, that is system file checker, I forget the
command line switches.  I can do some more idigging for you if needed.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD and
it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system
restore on the XP machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here and
thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.

Carol


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Re: help restoring XP computer

[peter Chin via Talk]

As far as restoring is concerned, I regret to say that I have not found 
Window-Eyes very helpful. Jaws seem to be better for this.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

I use nero, and I have a version for xp if he wants it.  Go to start,
then programs, then system tools.  Arrow down a bit and you'll see
restore.  I've never done thisk, so don't know how well or if it talks
well.  you also might try sfc, that is system file checker, I forget the
command line switches.  I can do some more idigging for you if needed.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in 
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD and 
it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a 
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system 
restore on the XP machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here and 
thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.


Carol


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Re: help restoring XP computer

[peter Chin via Talk]

Talking of Windows XP, what antivirus would users of that system recommend? 
Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: help restoring XP computer

Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD
and it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system
restore on the XP  machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here
and thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.

Carol


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Re: Total Recorder

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Butch,

Sorry for being so curious, but I noticed you had a Dectalk.zip in your 
Shellworld page. If I download that How would I use it? Is it to be used 
with Window-Eyes or NVDA?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:20 PM
To: Larry Higgins via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Total Recorder

O.k. here  it is.  File is called
mp3dc216.zip

To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Larry Higgins via
Talk wrote:

Well Butch, I have visited the Web page, and for the life of me, I can't 
quite figure out just how to download the thing. I would really like to 
give it a try, so if you could put up a link for a direct download, it 
sure would be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely,

Larry
On 2/13/2018 9:50 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
 I use replay media capture to record baseball games, think it costs 
around

 $40.00.  Another really nice little program that is free and will keep
 running is mp3directcut.  If you can't find that one, I can put it up on
 shellworld for you.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.

 On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

>  Is there anyone on the list that uses Total Recorder standard version 
> 8.?  I want to record something that runs for more than two hours.  It 
> always stops early.  How can I get something to record until I come 
> back and turn it off? Thanks.  Also, are there either tutorials or a 
> written manual? I hate trying to find things in the help screens from 
> the internet.

>
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks very much for the link. I finally managed to download and install the 
program. My internet connection is not good these days so I had to try many 
times before I successfully downloaded the program from your Dropbox.


Thanks once again.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Peter,

Here is the link to the currently accessible U.S. ESR version of Firefox in 
my DropBox:


http://bit.ly/2nEnoor

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hello Rod,

Could you please send me the link to your DropBox again? I seem to have
misplaced you original mail and can't find it.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Peter,

I just confirmed it again, and it seems to download fine for me.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:08 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hello Rod,

I tried to download this file from your Dropbox but the download could not
be completed. Could you please put it in you Dropbox again?

Thanks.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I understand, and yet it is common knowledge in the AT community that the
ESR version (extended service release) of Firefox is accessible.
You can download it from my DropBox here:

http://bit.ly/2nEnoor

Some people recommend uninstalling your current version of Firefox before
installing it, and yet I have yet to have a problem (and I have done it
several times) installing it right over the current version.
It will automatically make your bookmarks and settings available.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hi Rod,
Sorry for the lack of clarity. I'm using Windows 10 with Chrome as my
browser. It was my understanding that Firefox wasn't accessible with WE?
Janet

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I'm not sure what W10 Chrhome is and by the Chrome app I assume you mean the
Chrome browser?
I do all browsing with Firefox 52.6 ESR and the current Window-Eyes and am
having no problems.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Problems navigating websites

Hello everyone,

I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the
latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will
just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone
out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this?
perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not
use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t
use most of its features.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Janet
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Could you please send me the link to your DropBox again? I seem to have 
misplaced you original mail and can't find it.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Peter,

I just confirmed it again, and it seems to download fine for me.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:08 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hello Rod,

I tried to download this file from your Dropbox but the download could not
be completed. Could you please put it in you Dropbox again?

Thanks.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I understand, and yet it is common knowledge in the AT community that the
ESR version (extended service release) of Firefox is accessible.
You can download it from my DropBox here:

http://bit.ly/2nEnoor

Some people recommend uninstalling your current version of Firefox before
installing it, and yet I have yet to have a problem (and I have done it
several times) installing it right over the current version.
It will automatically make your bookmarks and settings available.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hi Rod,
Sorry for the lack of clarity. I'm using Windows 10 with Chrome as my
browser. It was my understanding that Firefox wasn't accessible with WE?
Janet

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I'm not sure what W10 Chrhome is and by the Chrome app I assume you mean the
Chrome browser?
I do all browsing with Firefox 52.6 ESR and the current Window-Eyes and am
having no problems.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Problems navigating websites

Hello everyone,

I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the
latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will
just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone
out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this?
perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not
use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t
use most of its features.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Janet
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Re: Problem when on websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Thanks for your advice. Will try it as soon as my internet works properly 
again.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:25 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Problem when on websites

Hi Peter,
I just took another look at the address bar because, as I said, I just
Alt-D, Control-C, F6. What I realized is that the cursor is always at
the end of the line. Once I realized that arrowing back always works.
Then I went to my GMail account and logged in. Arrowing worked there as
well.
Try the following in IE.
Alt-T Tools.
O Internet options.
Shift-Tab up to the General tab and arrow over to Advanced.
Tab once to Accelerated graphics.
Arrow down once to Use software rendering instead of GPU rendering and
press space to check it and turn it on if it's off.
Tab down to the Apply button and press space.
Close and reopen IE.
Hth,
Tom



On 2/5/2018 3:38 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Thanks for your advice, but I am still curious as to why the ability to 
read with the arrow keys has suddenly been removed. The same thing has 
happened with edit boxes on web pages, such as when I am trying to get to 
my gmail account on the web. To make sure I have typed my user name 
correctly, I have to type it in NotePad and then copy and paste it into 
the web page edit box.





-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:04 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Problem when on websites

Peter,
:I've always done the same, just with Alt-D to go to the address bar and
then F6 to return to the page, and it works fine. I can't read the text
immediately with the arrows because it's all selected by default. So I
just press Control-C to copy it, which is the only reason I'm going
there anyway. But if I arrow back and forth a bit it will start reading
after IE catches up and deselects the URL.
For what it's worth, this is on Windows 10.
Hth,
Tom


On 2/3/2018 1:43 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me with a strange problem I have when on the 
internet. I am using Window-Eyes on a Windows8.1 machine and I normally 
use IE to get to web pages. I used to be able to get the url of the page 
I am on by pressing F6 when I can read the url with my arrow keys and 
copy it to my clipboard. About a month ago, this suddenly changed. Now 
when I press F6 I can no longer read the url with my arrow keys to copy 
it to my clipboard, though I can read it with  my mouse when I route 
mouse to cursor.  How can I regain this capability?


I hope what I have described makes sense and I hope someone can help me 
out.


Thanks in advance.


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Re: Problems navigating websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

I tried to download this file from your Dropbox but the download could not 
be completed. Could you please put it in you Dropbox again?


Thanks.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I understand, and yet it is common knowledge in the AT community that the 
ESR version (extended service release) of Firefox is accessible.

You can download it from my DropBox here:

http://bit.ly/2nEnoor

Some people recommend uninstalling your current version of Firefox before 
installing it, and yet I have yet to have a problem (and I have done it 
several times) installing it right over the current version.

It will automatically make your bookmarks and settings available.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Janet Brandly via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Hi Rod,
Sorry for the lack of clarity. I'm using Windows 10 with Chrome as my
browser. It was my understanding that Firefox wasn't accessible with WE?
Janet

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Problems navigating websites

Hi Janet,

I'm not sure what W10 Chrhome is and by the Chrome app I assume you mean the
Chrome browser?
I do all browsing with Firefox 52.6 ESR and the current Window-Eyes and am
having no problems.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: Problems navigating websites

Hello everyone,

I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the
latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will
just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone
out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this?
perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not
use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t
use most of its features.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Janet
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Re: file explorer in win 10

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Orlando,

Thanks for your suggestion. I managed to get to "group by" but I couldn't 
determine which item to uncheck in order to stop the grouping.


-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Subject: Re: file explorer in win 10

At 01:50 AM 2/3/2018, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

I have managed to arrange my folders under  my  user name in a list view as
I like it. However, I still hear extraneous speech such as "a-h", "i-p",
"q-z". How do I stop this?


These are groupings in File Explorer's list view. They can be turned
off by tabbing away from the list view until you hear Group By. Press
enter or spacebar to toggle group sorting.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue

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Re: Problem when on websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

Thanks so much for your suggestions. I will try them later on. I just wonder 
why the arrow keys suddenly didn't work when they were working fine before.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 5:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Problem when on websites

In IE, you can also press f4.

On 2/4/2018 12:04 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Peter,
:I've always done the same, just with Alt-D to go to the address bar and
then F6 to return to the page, and it works fine. I can't read the text
immediately with the arrows because it's all selected by default. So I
just press Control-C to copy it, which is the only reason I'm going
there anyway. But if I arrow back and forth a bit it will start reading
after IE catches up and deselects the URL.
For what it's worth, this is on Windows 10.
Hth,
Tom


On 2/3/2018 1:43 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me with a strange problem I have when on the
internet. I am using Window-Eyes on a Windows8.1 machine and I
normally use IE to get to web pages. I used to be able to get the url
of the page I am on by pressing F6 when I can read the url with my
arrow keys and copy it to my clipboard. About a month ago, this
suddenly changed. Now when I press F6 I can no longer read the url
with my arrow keys to copy it to my clipboard, though I can read it
with  my mouse when I route mouse to cursor.  How can I regain this
capability?

I hope what I have described makes sense and I hope someone can help
me out.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: file explorer in win 10

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Carol,

Thanks for your suggestion. I tried it but still hear things like A-H, I-P, 
and so on. It seems to be some sort of grouping of the wiles according to 
alphabeticl order.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: file explorer in win 10

Hi Peter,

I don't know that this will help, but if I get that problem, I do a
shift-tab and then it seems to work properly.  If you listen carefully,
you will probably hear something like "name closed" which means you are
not directly in the list of files and folders.  A shift-tab will put you
in the correct place for arrowing up and down through files.

Carol


On 2/3/2018 1:50 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Rod and All,

I have managed to arrange my folders under  my  user name in a list view 
as

I like it. However, I still hear extraneous speech such as "a-h", "i-p",
"q-z". How do I stop this?

My machine has Windows 8.1 which I believe is very similar to Windows 10.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: file explorer in win 10

Hi Butch,

I assume you have not, as yet, configured your system to display all 
folders

in list view or detailed view rather than what is set by default on a new
installation, namely, icons, and I can't remember whether they are small 
or

medium or large.
Anyway, regardless how they are set, you will neeed to configure this by
opening any folder on your system, set it up the way you like it, and then
make it global.
This is done by opening any folder on your system, in the View tab, opened
with Alt-V, L, and then you'll will get a drop-down with the display 
options

arranged, in typical confusing Windows 10 fashion, as a grid of options.
Arrowing left and right, up and down, find detailed view, and press Enter.
Okay, after doing this, you'll want to return to the View tab by pressing
Alt-V, and then tabbing through other options for customizing your View,
namely, whether you want your files and folders sorted ascending or
descending, etc, by name, date, and the latter is what I prefer, in 
contrast

to the Windows default on all systems, but it's your choice.
Again, once you pick each setting, you press Enter to activate it, and 
this

often closes the tab;
If not, however, you can always Escape out.
Finally, you can set the settings to apply to your whole system by finding
the traditional Folder options dialog which you'll recall from Windows 7.
This is also in the View tab and the shortcut is Alt-V, Y, and press 
Enter.
As in the old days, once the Folder options dialog is open, Ctrl-tab 
brings
the View tab to focus, and you can tab to the Apply button to globalize 
your

settings.
As a rule, everything that was in Windows 7 in present in Windows 10;
They're just in the ribbons of the application you're using, including
Explorer.
I hope this was helpful.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of BK via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 8:06 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: file explorer in win 10

Hello, using win 10 and Jaws, when I open a folder in file explorer, the
highlight is in the middle of the list instead of at the top. Then as I
am arrowing through the list, the highlight will jump around on me. I
have never experienced anything like this. Is there a setting I need to
change? Is there a tutorial on how to use this win 10 file explorer. All
help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Problem when on websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Thanks for your advice, but I am still curious as to why the ability to read 
with the arrow keys has suddenly been removed. The same thing has happened 
with edit boxes on web pages, such as when I am trying to get to my gmail 
account on the web. To make sure I have typed my user name  correctly, I 
have to type it in NotePad and then copy and paste it into the web page edit 
box.





-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:04 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Problem when on websites

Peter,
:I've always done the same, just with Alt-D to go to the address bar and
then F6 to return to the page, and it works fine. I can't read the text
immediately with the arrows because it's all selected by default. So I
just press Control-C to copy it, which is the only reason I'm going
there anyway. But if I arrow back and forth a bit it will start reading
after IE catches up and deselects the URL.
For what it's worth, this is on Windows 10.
Hth,
Tom


On 2/3/2018 1:43 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me with a strange problem I have when on the 
internet. I am using Window-Eyes on a Windows8.1 machine and I normally 
use IE to get to web pages. I used to be able to get the url of the page I 
am on by pressing F6 when I can read the url with my arrow keys and copy 
it to my clipboard. About a month ago, this suddenly changed. Now when I 
press F6 I can no longer read the url with my arrow keys to copy it to my 
clipboard, though I can read it with  my mouse when I route mouse to 
cursor.  How can I regain this capability?


I hope what I have described makes sense and I hope someone can help me 
out.


Thanks in advance.


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Problem when on websites

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me with a strange problem I have when on the 
internet. I am using Window-Eyes on a Windows8.1 machine and I normally use 
IE to get to web pages. I used to be able to get the url of the page I am on 
by pressing F6 when I can read the url with my arrow keys and copy it to my 
clipboard. About a month ago, this suddenly changed. Now when I press F6 I 
can no longer read the url with my arrow keys to copy it to my clipboard, 
though I can read it with  my mouse when I route mouse to cursor.  How can I 
regain this capability?


I hope what I have described makes sense and I hope someone can help me out.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: file explorer in win 10

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod and All,

I have managed to arrange my folders under  my  user name in a list view as
I like it. However, I still hear extraneous speech such as "a-h", "i-p",
"q-z". How do I stop this?

My machine has Windows 8.1 which I believe is very similar to Windows 10.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: file explorer in win 10

Hi Butch,

I assume you have not, as yet, configured your system to display all folders
in list view or detailed view rather than what is set by default on a new
installation, namely, icons, and I can't remember whether they are small or
medium or large.
Anyway, regardless how they are set, you will neeed to configure this by
opening any folder on your system, set it up the way you like it, and then
make it global.
This is done by opening any folder on your system, in the View tab, opened
with Alt-V, L, and then you'll will get a drop-down with the display options
arranged, in typical confusing Windows 10 fashion, as a grid of options.
Arrowing left and right, up and down, find detailed view, and press Enter.
Okay, after doing this, you'll want to return to the View tab by pressing
Alt-V, and then tabbing through other options for customizing your View,
namely, whether you want your files and folders sorted ascending or
descending, etc, by name, date, and the latter is what I prefer, in contrast
to the Windows default on all systems, but it's your choice.
Again, once you pick each setting, you press Enter to activate it, and this
often closes the tab;
If not, however, you can always Escape out.
Finally, you can set the settings to apply to your whole system by finding
the traditional Folder options dialog which you'll recall from Windows 7.
This is also in the View tab and the shortcut is Alt-V, Y, and press Enter.
As in the old days, once the Folder options dialog is open, Ctrl-tab brings
the View tab to focus, and you can tab to the Apply button to globalize your
settings.
As a rule, everything that was in Windows 7 in present in Windows 10;
They're just in the ribbons of the application you're using, including
Explorer.
I hope this was helpful.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of BK via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 8:06 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: file explorer in win 10

Hello, using win 10 and Jaws, when I open a folder in file explorer, the
highlight is in the middle of the list instead of at the top. Then as I
am arrowing through the list, the highlight will jump around on me. I
have never experienced anything like this. Is there a setting I need to
change? Is there a tutorial on how to use this win 10 file explorer. All
help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Windows Live Mail Attachment

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Net,

Thanks very much for your suggestion. How do I get to the business card 
setting? I've looked everywhere for it but can't find it.


Hope to hear from you again soon.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:28 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail Attachment

i'm not sure. but i think this is a bisness card attachment. check to see 
that

you haven't got wlm setup to send a bisness card.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 2:53 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Windows Live Mail Attachment

Hello List members,

I am using Windows Live Mail version 2012 as my email client. I hope that
those who are using the same client can shed some light on my problem.
I notice that when I send out mail, there is always an attachment of a small
file, named
"Peter Chin.vcf". It is only 56 bytes in size. Why is this file attached and
how can I get rid of it?

Thanks for any help you can give.
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Windows Live Mail Attachment

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello List members,

I am using Windows Live Mail version 2012 as my email client. I hope that 
those who are using the same client can shed some light on my problem.
I notice that when I send out mail, there is always an attachment of a small 
file, named
"Peter Chin.vcf". It is only 56 bytes in size. Why is this file attached and 
how can I get rid of it?


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Re: CHRISTMAS!

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Josh,

I am not using Reaper but wonder whether you could suggest some solution to 
my problem.


I have been using Pontes Media Downloader without any problems for some 
time. Suddenly, lAst week, when I tried to download files, the download 
would start but would be terminated immediately. A message box appears, "An 
error has occurred". Do you think uninstalling and reinstalling would help?


I am using Window-Eyes on a machine with Windows 8.1.

Hope you can come up with some suggestions.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: CHRISTMAS!

What kind of conflict are you having with reaper? Explain the conflict maybe 
I can solve it in windows10. Most stuff that works with win7 also works on 
win10 no problems.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 08:49
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

Hi Carol,

I'm still using windows 7 and Firefox. I installed the extended edition and
it works for me. It is slow though. I had my other pc refurbished and they
put windows 10 on it. I use a program called Reaper for multi track
recording and there is a conflict in windows 10. I have to get windows 7
back on it.lol

I will give it a try before Isend it back.lol

I'm a bit like my African grey parrot. Slow to accept new things. I think if
it works don't fix it.lol Good luck with windows 10. I was chatting to a
friend and I think that technology is moving towards voice activation. Have
you any thoughts on it? Like this Amazon Alexi. Think that's what it's
called. Some of my blind friends love it. I'm not sure about it yet. At the
moment I think it is too invasive.

Christmas Greetings, BJ

--
From: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:18 PM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Carol and Roger" 
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!


Yes, Thank you.  I now have a very new and quite a bit daunting computer
with Windows 10.  I have installed Window-Eyes on it and am going to start
moving files over this week.  I am a bit behind on things like ribbons, so
it is taking a little longer for me to get my head wrapped around things.
Funny, but the old PC seems to be running a bit better, except, of course,
the browsers, grin.  I suppose I would get more familiar with the new one
if I would just stop using the other one.  Take care.

Carol


On 12/26/2017 5:52 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I hope you too are well? Not doing
great but have a battle to face in the new year. I will get through it
though and come out the other side smiling.

I'm still enjoying Christmas and like most over ate.lol

Hope Santa was good to you as well.

Christmas Wishes, BJ

--
From: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:07 AM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Carol and Roger" 
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!


Hey BJ,

It's been a long time.  Merry Christmas.  Hope you are well and wish you
a great New Year.

Carol

For the rest of us that are still celebraring, enjoy the rest of your
Christmas.

Carol



On 12/25/2017 6:40 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope their is a light that shines in
everyones home today. The light of peace, friendship and love.

Christmas
Wishes John

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

And a blessed Christmas to you also.

Norene



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: CHRISTMAS!

We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!



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Need Help with Edit Fields and Boxes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I asked this question before but no one has given me any suggestions so I'm 
asking again.





I hope someone can help me with my little problem with Window-Eyes.

When I go to my g mail account on the web page, I have to type in my user

name and my password. In such edit boxes or fields, I used to be able to

check my typing by cursoring left or right but recently I have been unable

to do so. Pressing ctrl+numpad5 or ctrl+shift+s  does read what I have typed

but I cannot read letter by letter by cursoring left or right. I face the

same problem nowadays when I try to change the name of a file or folder.

What's gone wrong with my W-E and how do I correct it?

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Need Help with Edit Fields and Boxes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I hope someone can help me with my little problem with Window-Eyes.
When I go to my g mail account on the web page, I have to type in my user 
name and my password. In such edit boxes or fields, I used to be able to 
check my typing by cursoring left or right but recently I have been unable 
to do so. Pressing ctrl+numpad5 or ctrl+shift+s  does read what I have typed 
but I cannot read letter by letter by cursoring left or right. I face the 
same problem nowadays when I try to change the name of a file or folder. 
What's gone wrong with my W-E and how do I correct it?


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Re: Is there a start up sound for sound for JAWS or a way to enable one?

[peter Chin via Talk]

Yes, Windows 8 does have a startup sound but no shut down sound.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Is there a start up sound for sound for JAWS or a way to enable 
one?


Does Windows have a startup sound?  My Windows-7 had one, but 8.4 hasn't
made a sound.  Maybe I have to change a setting - I just haven't
bothered because of WE.

On 12/12/2017 6:50 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

That's a good question! Both Window Eyes and NVDA have a start up and
unloading sound.

On 12/12/2017 3:15 PM, Ashley Breger via Talk wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi guys,
I was just wondering does anybody know if there is anyway to enable a
start up sound for jaws?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley
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Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[peter Chin via Talk]

S, on the other hand, begins with the
percentage at 50 and moves by units of 5.  If you move by page up and
press it four times, WE would say 40%  If you moved it with JAWS, it
would say 70%.  I don't know of any actual shortcut keys other than
these.  There is one other item I would like to address. Sometimes,
when I press page up let's say 5 times, the playback seems to be a
little faster than when pressing playback on the same track using JAWS.
I can't say whether this is all of the time, but it has happened. It is
a really simple program.  Have fun with it.

Carol


On 10/19/2017 5:47 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

Thanks for all your help. I will try the older version first if I can
find it. If it doesn't work, I'll try to download a newer version. 
Could

you please tell me , what are the key strokes for changing pitch or
speed?

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:45 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

I do know that the latest version, which I did not like for some 
reason,

said that it would work on Win8, but that was before Win10 came out.
The only thing I can tell you is to try it out and see if you get an
error.

You can speed up or down, change pitch up or down and then, you can
change both, sort of like speeding up a cassette tape.  I use it every
day as my husband and I listen to a program where the speaker is just
too slow for us.  Typically, I will listen to most podcasts at about 
40%

for technical stuff I want to hear, and around 65-70% for things I want
to get the main ideas from.  Audio books are among the 50% group. It is
a nice little program and I hope the older version works for you.

Here is a little help item for you:

If you are listening to something you have increased or decreased the
setting for, it is necessary to press ctrl-P, which is the staart hot
key, twice.  The first press releases the change you are already
listening to and the second press opens the program again so you can 
set

new options.

Take care,

Carol



On 10/17/2017 10:17 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

I think I have that old addon somewhere because looking through my 
list
of installed programs on my old Windows XP box, I found something 
called

Pacemaker, I think. I have never used it and don't know how. I also
wonder whether it would work on my Windows 8.1. Have you heard of any
one using it successfully on Windows 8 or 10?

Thanks so much for your help.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:58 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

I have a little program which is called pacemaker.  It works great 
with

my Win7 pc.  There is an older version and a newer one.  I like the
older one for some reason.  There are a few limitations when using
external drives as they don't always keep up with the accelerated
speed.When playing music, once you start speeding it up, say over 40%,
you begin to hear some distortion, but for what you want, it is
certainly workable.  I found the file by doing a search for winamp
pacemaker.  If you can't find it or need help, write me back and I 
will

search my old external drive to see if I can find the file.

Carol


On 10/16/2017 5:24 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

Thank you so much. I think you have helped me solve my problem. The
balance appears to be right now.

Now I have another question about WinAmp. I heard some time ago that
there is an addon to Winamp that could change the pitch of music in
Winamp. I heard, however, that it was not very accessible. Is that
true, Are there addons that can change the pitch or speed in Winamp? 
If

there are such addons and if they are accessible, they would be very
helpful for me when learning a new piece of music.

Thanks again to all of you who tried to help me.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right. This 
should

help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy 
this
was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one 
tick.

Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the
one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the 
central
sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound 
was

surround but I changed it to sterio.

Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Origin

Re: Using add/remove with WE

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I don't use Windows 10 but Windows 8.1. Could someone plese suggest how to 
make use of the "All Apps" facility? When I go to that list of apps, I 
cannot seem to do anything with any of the programs listed. When I cursor to 
a listed app, my WE always says "unselccted". Pressing the spacebar does 
nothing.


Thanks in advance for any suggestion or explanation.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:02 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Using add/remove with WE

I sure hope some of you have found a reasonably good way to use the
add/remove in Windows 10 with Window-Eyes. So far, every time I try to
highlight a program, then go take a look at the options, my highlighter
ends up at a place way down the list. This can be a bit disconcerting to
say the least.


If anyone could pleas give me some helpful pointers, it would be greatly
appreciated. Even tell me if it is doable with NVDA, that might help.
Just haven't gone there yet.


Thanks,


Larry

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Re: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Thanks for sharing this very interesting fact. Maybe that's how we are 
recognised when we try to update to Windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

For years Windows has had a screen reader flag that our screen readers
set to true when we load them and false when we close them. Most
programs don't pay any attention to this, but there are programs that
do. And Windows itself actually does a little work to feed our screen
readers some information that would otherwise be inaccessible when this
flag is true.

While writing a program I needed to look up the Windows
SystemParametersInfo function for something unrelated. It is a doorway
to numerous system parameters. In doing so I was reminded that it's also
where a pile of accessibility parameters are accessed as well, e.g.
screen reader, high contrast, keyboard access preference, no animations,
visual effects, etc. All of these have get and set functions.

A common scenario probably most of us have experienced is that our
screen reader goes silent. So we fire up another one to see what's going
on. For example, Window-Eyes will stop talking occasionally with IE
error messages. But for some reason, usually, as soon as I fire up NVDA,
or close the error message window with NVDA, Window-Eyes comes back to
life. The point is that I end up with two screen readers running
simultaneously.

I always assumed this would mess with the screen reader flag status. And
stumbling upon this offered me a golden opportunity to get away from my
real work. So I wrote a little program to check the screen reader and
keyboard preference flags. the latter is to indicate to developers that
you want keyboard access rather than a mouse driven interface. I doubt
anyone uses or pays any attention to this because if they did a purely
mouse driven graphical interface would be replaced by a keyboard driven
interface with standard controls. At least that would be the best case
scenario. Our screen readers don't set it to true anyway because the
screen reader flag is saying the same thing. It's another case of the
elements existing and not being used. Case in point, W3C web standards.
But I digress.

The driving force was that I've known about this for years and suspected
that loading another screen reader atop an existing one and then
unloading either would leave the screen reader flag false. My program
confirmed my suspicion. I may have mentioned this before because I was
told about this years ago. But I wanted a concrete answer. And I was
curious as to whether it had been improved. Although I have been
operating on my assumption ever since hearing about it initially.

I ran my program with Window-Eyes running and then after unloading it. I
then did the same with NVDA. I haven't installed JAWS on my new system
yet, but I assume it will do the same. When one is loaded the screen
reader flag is true and when it's not it's false. And if I load either
while the other is running and then unload one of them I still have a
screen reader running but the screen reader flag is false.

The reason I wanted to know this for sure is that I thought if common
sense had prevailed there would have been a simple screen reader
counter. That way the true count could stack up and screen reader would
not be false until the counter was zero, which is always false in
programming logic. Evidently common sense didn't prevail on this one.

So now you know. I recommend reloading your screen reader if you have to
load and then unload another to get out of a jam.

And here's the bonus prize! Narrator does not set the flag true. So you
don't have to worry about it if you load Narrator atop another screen
reader. Why this is is beyond comprehension. But Microsoft states it
clearly on their developers network and my program confirmed it. I
suppose they incorporated a seperate internal flag for Narrator. Who knows.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: How to use Google Drive

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I am not asking about Google Drive but about One Drive so please forgive me 
for the change of subject.


Someone sent me a file to download from her One Drive but I could not find 
any way to download the file. Could someone who uses One Drive please 
explain the steps?


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:08 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: How to use Google Drive

Listers,


I'm sure hoping that someone here has at least attempted to make use of
the free 15gb storage allotment from Google Drive, because after
attempting to do so, in my case, I can't seem to get to first base,
unless sharing the how too file is actually doing that.


I was under the impression that after I downloaded some kind of app to
my system, that I would be able to use it to set myself up with this
thing, but I see no sign of a download of an app, or any shortcut on my
desktop.


The primary reason for using this feature is to send some rather large
files to my brother. Never thought it would turn out to be such a PITA.


Is this even speech accessible?

Any ideas please?


Thanks very much in advance,


Larry

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Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[peter Chin via Talk]

. If it doesn't work, I'll try to download a newer version. Could
you please tell me , what are the key strokes for changing pitch or
speed?

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:45 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

I do know that the latest version, which I did not like for some reason,
said that it would work on Win8, but that was before Win10 came out.
The only thing I can tell you is to try it out and see if you get an
error.

You can speed up or down, change pitch up or down and then, you can
change both, sort of like speeding up a cassette tape.  I use it every
day as my husband and I listen to a program where the speaker is just
too slow for us.  Typically, I will listen to most podcasts at about 40%
for technical stuff I want to hear, and around 65-70% for things I want
to get the main ideas from.  Audio books are among the 50% group. It is
a nice little program and I hope the older version works for you.

Here is a little help item for you:

If you are listening to something you have increased or decreased the
setting for, it is necessary to press ctrl-P, which is the staart hot
key, twice.  The first press releases the change you are already
listening to and the second press opens the program again so you can set
new options.

Take care,

Carol



On 10/17/2017 10:17 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

I think I have that old addon somewhere because looking through my list
of installed programs on my old Windows XP box, I found something
called
Pacemaker, I think. I have never used it and don't know how. I also
wonder whether it would work on my Windows 8.1. Have you heard of any
one using it successfully on Windows 8 or 10?

Thanks so much for your help.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:58 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

I have a little program which is called pacemaker.  It works great with
my Win7 pc.  There is an older version and a newer one.  I like the
older one for some reason.  There are a few limitations when using
external drives as they don't always keep up with the accelerated
speed.When playing music, once you start speeding it up, say over 40%,
you begin to hear some distortion, but for what you want, it is
certainly workable.  I found the file by doing a search for winamp
pacemaker.  If you can't find it or need help, write me back and I will
search my old external drive to see if I can find the file.

Carol


On 10/16/2017 5:24 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

Thank you so much. I think you have helped me solve my problem. The
balance appears to be right now.

Now I have another question about WinAmp. I heard some time ago that
there is an addon to Winamp that could change the pitch of music in
Winamp. I heard, however, that it was not very accessible. Is that
true, Are there addons that can change the pitch or speed in Winamp?
If
there are such addons and if they are accessible, they would be very
helpful for me when learning a new piece of music.

Thanks again to all of you who tried to help me.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right. This should
help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this
was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one
tick.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the
one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the
central
sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was
surround but I changed it to sterio.

Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to
surround
sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that
way
. However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound,
so I
would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an
answer.
This must be more than a little frustrating.


Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.


Larry


On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged
down with other things and, have to a

Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[peter Chin via Talk]

s the staart hot
key, twice.  The first press releases the change you are already
listening to and the second press opens the program again so you can set
new options.

Take care,

Carol



On 10/17/2017 10:17 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

I think I have that old addon somewhere because looking through my list
of installed programs on my old Windows XP box, I found something called
Pacemaker, I think. I have never used it and don't know how. I also
wonder whether it would work on my Windows 8.1. Have you heard of any
one using it successfully on Windows 8 or 10?

Thanks so much for your help.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:58 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

I have a little program which is called pacemaker.  It works great with
my Win7 pc.  There is an older version and a newer one.  I like the
older one for some reason.  There are a few limitations when using
external drives as they don't always keep up with the accelerated
speed.When playing music, once you start speeding it up, say over 40%,
you begin to hear some distortion, but for what you want, it is
certainly workable.  I found the file by doing a search for winamp
pacemaker.  If you can't find it or need help, write me back and I will
search my old external drive to see if I can find the file.

Carol


On 10/16/2017 5:24 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Carol,

Thank you so much. I think you have helped me solve my problem. The
balance appears to be right now.

Now I have another question about WinAmp. I heard some time ago that
there is an addon to Winamp that could change the pitch of music in
Winamp. I heard, however, that it was not very accessible. Is that
true, Are there addons that can change the pitch or speed in Winamp? If
there are such addons and if they are accessible, they would be very
helpful for me when learning a new piece of music.

Thanks again to all of you who tried to help me.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right. This should
help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this
was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one tick.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the
one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the central
sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was
surround but I changed it to sterio.

Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to
surround
sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that
way
. However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound,
so I
would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an answer.
This must be more than a little frustrating.


Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.


Larry


On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged
down with other things and, have to admit it, just forgot.

I tried to follow your instructions by pressing alt+shift+k but
couldn't find how to adjust the volume of individual channels.

Thanks any way.
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, I saw your previous queries concerning Winamp, but saw it a
day
after it was originally posted, so thought someone might have
already
answered your questions. I will try to answer the questions I think
I
can, and leave the rest to those who might be more expert on the
rest.


When it comes to balancing channels, just press alt+shift+k while
playing an audio file or stream and you will be in business.


To read the title, press ctrl+shift+t.


When it comes to the volume with MIDI files, the only thing I might
suggest is to turn on your equalizer alt+g, then ctrl+tab to focus
on
it, and then use your preamp settings, and turn them all the way up.
This will only work using a screen reader, particularly Window-Eyes
if
you have the Winamp scripts installed. Otherwise, the equalizer is
almost impossible to work w

Re: help and info

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

Just to give my 2 cents worth of info, I use the free WE for Office version 
and so far have had no problems, although I have not tried it with Chrome 
yet. Of course, you have to have a registered version of Microsoft office 
for this to work.




-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:09 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: help and info

Bernie, Have you considered downloading the WE for Office program, and
just starting over, more or less? That might give you a new lease on
life, as it pertains to Window-Eyes anyway.


Just a thought,


Larry


On 10/17/2017 8:54 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

Some time back, even those of us who had a full install of 9.5.4 had to 
upgrae to a new version with the same number due to the fact that the 
software certificate had expired.
I assume that your version of 9.2 would have the same certificate and so 
this would explain the error message.
At this point, your best solution is to move to NVDA, just as I have when 
Window-Eyes doesn't work for me.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: October 17, 2017 4:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: help and info

Hi,  I have a Toshiba Satellite 2 in 1 laptop running the latest version
of Windows and WE 9.5.4.  Sometime ago, my system began to be more
unstable and I was having a number of issues with WE. After researching
the issue, I concluded that my computer had a virus or a piece of
malfunctioning hardware.  After exhausting as many possible solutions
that I knew, I finally did a Windows reset during which many apps,
including WE were uninstalled.  After the reset, I tried using  the
downloaded file for WE 9.2 but when I tried to eecute it, I got an error
indicating that the certificate was blocked by an administrator.  I have
an admin account on my system so I am not sure who the administrator
would be.  In the meantime, I used Narrator only to discover that things
hadn't improved very much.  I contacted the MS disabilities desk and
after much discussion, they advised that I do a windows repair. they
helped me through the process.  Before doing it, the MS rep attempted to
install the We 9.2 and even though the same error occurred, WE 9.2  did
install.  After the repair, when WE 9.2 starts, I get a hooking error
and the error window isn't easy to close.  I remember that this hooking
error issue was discussed but since I haven't yet restored my back
emails, I am asking for help with it and with the certificate problem.
Like many on here, I realize that the other company isn't helping very
much so thought I would tap the knowledge base on this list.  Thanks in
advance. BP

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Re: spelling disabled in wlm

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Net,

Thanks Will try that soon.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: spelling disabled in wlm

if spelling were enabled you only have to down arrow to open up the list of
options and check or uncheck the options you want.
anyway you might have to do a wlm repair.
with this you have to open programs and features and start a uninstall if
the
essencials package. it will then give you the option to repair  each or all
of
the essentuals programs you have installed.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 2:44 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hello Russ,

I know I have to turn it on. Trouble is, I don't know how. When I find the
Spelling button on the ribbon, It just says "Disabled" and I can't get in
and turn it on. Neither pressing spacebar nor the Enter key works. I have
been asked to press F7 but that doesn't work either.

Suggestions, pleease.

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Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Carol,

Thank you so much. I think you have helped me solve my problem. The balance 
appears to be right now.


Now I have another question about WinAmp. I heard some time ago that there 
is an addon to Winamp that could change the pitch of music in Winamp. I 
heard, however, that it was not very accessible. Is that true, Are there 
addons that can change the pitch or speed in Winamp? If there are such 
addons and if they are accessible, they would be very helpful for me when 
learning a new piece of music.


Thanks again to all of you who tried to help me.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right.  This should
help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this was 
to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one tick.

Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the one 
side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the central sound 
when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was surround 
but I changed it to sterio.


Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to surround
sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that way
. However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound, so I
would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an answer.
This must be more than a little frustrating.


Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.


Larry


On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged down 
with other things and, have to admit it, just forgot.


I tried to follow your instructions by pressing alt+shift+k but couldn't 
find how to adjust the volume of individual channels.


Thanks any way.
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, I saw your previous queries concerning Winamp, but saw it a day
after it was originally posted, so thought someone might have already
answered your questions. I will try to answer the questions I think I
can, and leave the rest to those who might be more expert on the rest.


When it comes to balancing channels, just press alt+shift+k while
playing an audio file or stream and you will be in business.


To read the title, press ctrl+shift+t.


When it comes to the volume with MIDI files, the only thing I might
suggest is to turn on your equalizer alt+g, then ctrl+tab to focus on
it, and then use your preamp settings, and turn them all the way up.
This will only work using a screen reader, particularly Window-Eyes if
you have the Winamp scripts installed. Otherwise, the equalizer is
almost impossible to work with  by a blind user.


Your Winamp keys are tab for turning down the volume of the preamp, and
grave accent for increasing the volume.

 Turning the equalizer up is not the answer in every situation, because
on some files, turning it full blast can cause a lot of unwanted
distortion.


Now, after having said all that, I'm not really sure if the equalizer
will work with MIDI files, because I haven't played around with those
things for many a year, but it can't hurt to give it a try.


To save the settings permanently, while in the equalizer, press the
letter s, and you will see an option to save presets. Give those
settings that you have just made to a file with a name of your choosing,
and if you wish to use those settings again, you can reload them at any
time you like. The file will be placed in the list of the various
settings that Winamp makes available.



HTH,

Larry

On 9/25/2017 5:37 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,


I have a few questions about WinAmp which I hope the experts can help 
me


with.


1. I notice that when playing an audio file in Winamp, one channel 
sounds


just a little softer than the other. This is not the case when I play 
the


same file in Windows Media  player. Is there any way I can adjust the 
volume


of

each channel individually?


2. While playing an audio file in Winamp, is there a key stroke I can 
use to


read

Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Russ,

I know I have to turn it on. Trouble is, I don't know how. When I find the 
Spelling button on the ribbon, It just says "Disabled" and I can't get in 
and turn it on. Neither pressing spacebar nor the Enter key works. I have 
been asked to press F7 but that doesn't work either.


Suggestions, pleease.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:36 PM
To: peter Chin ; steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

You have to go into wlm settings and turn on spell check.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:25 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Using Window-Eyes 9.5.4, I find that I  can access most of WLM accept for
the fact that for some unknown reason, my spellcheck is disabled and I don't
know how to enable it.
-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

IN my case, window eyes works a lot better than nvda in windows live mail.
The tripletalk usb addon for nvda doesn't support indexing.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

If we are going to be fair about this discussion, VFO can't just throw the
Window-Eyes code into JAWS.  I also think it is reasonable to keep in mind
the fact that they really wanted ZoomText so probably didn't give a lot of
thought about Window-Eyes.  It's likely nobody cried at VFO over the idea of
Window-Eyes being discontinued, and I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuits
were unjustified and clearly a means to crush competition.  However, a case
can easily be made that NVDA did quite a lot to cut into business that would
have gone to Window-Eyes as well.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing
NVDA, it wasn't their intent, but a good free screen reader cut into
perspective Window-Eyes customers more than JAWS customers because
Window-Eyes had worked hard to work with customers on a budget.  The Office
offer, the Lease to Own approach, and the slightly lower price was aimed at
individuals rather than agencies.  As nice as those programs were, it was
easier for many of those people to go to NVDA which has become a respectable
screen reader.

It is really hard these days to make a claim that any screen reader is the
best.  It depends so much upon on how one uses it.  I have moved to JAWS
because there are programs that I use at work for which JAWS works well, as
did Window-Eyes, but where NVDA did not work well.  There are still things
about Window-Eyes that I like better, but I am getting used to the different
way JAWS handles certain things.  Certainly, many people will find that NVDA
does everything they need.  I find JAWS more responsive in some instances,
but that isn't going to be important to everybody.  In short, certainly I
will continue to miss some of the things that Window-Eyes did, but one can
manage to make the change if one has to.  What I hope to never forget are
the people who were behind Window-Eyes, the developers and the customer
support people.  I will always believe that if finances and market pressures
would have been different than what they were and if Window-Eyes had gotten
a few breaks along the way, Window-Eyes would have emerged as the superior
screen reader.

We are in a changing environment.  JAWS is going to have to change some if
NVDA continues to gain strength and if Microsoft continues to make
improvements to Narrator.  It costs somebody a good deal of money to keep
screen readers stable and up-to-date, whether it is SMA's donations, or
corporate funding in the case of Microsoft.  Those who say NVDA is free are
not being honest with themselves.  It means someone else is paying for their
ability to have a free screen reader, even if there is some voluntary
efforts involved.  We should be thankful this is the case but we need to
also be aware of it.  I used Window-Eyes on the job for almost twenty years,
and some have used JAWS longer.  To work efficiently in an employment
setting, one needs a very stable program, and changes cut into ones
productivity.  I am some concerned about what will be happening over the
next five or ten years, because I don't think we have finished with changes
to access technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think reserving