Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

OK already!  Let's stop this useless chatter about something that we
can't control.
For right now, we still have our Window-eyes so let's get back to
helping each other work out our problems with Window-eyes, and then
cross whatever bridges are to be crossed when we get to them.
Kevin Huber

On 10/15/16, John Farley via Talk  wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
> site.
>
> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
> comments.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
> the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
> squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
> and that you are a loyal user.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to
>> be
>> fazed out?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>> To: bj colt via Talk
>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>
>>
>
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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

So the history of poor customer service is alive and well.




Encouraged by suggestions on the list, I used the contact VFO link of 
its site - specifically the U.S. office.  I posted my comment regarding 
Window-Eyes on Sunday afternoon my time in New Zealand - haven't even 
got an autoresponse.



Maybe a lone human is working steadily through a deluge of Window-Eyes 
support emails!




Vaughan.




On 10/19/2016 3:36 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with 
Freedom Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help 
with my braille lite and getting a nasty person on the other end.  
Eric Damery said, when I told him, that he wished I had gotten the 
people's names who were nasty.  I told him I was just so mad I just 
hung up, and I didn't call back for a long time.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware 
side of

customer service.  They customer service not so much.




On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need 
assistance.


On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their 
products.  I

> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  
The v

> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much 
good.

>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as 
Voiceover is

>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley <javascript:;>=
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> &

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with Freedom 
Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help with my braille 
lite and getting a nasty person on the other end.  Eric Damery said, when I 
told him, that he wished I had gotten the people's names who were nasty.  I 
told him I was just so mad I just hung up, and I didn't call back for a long 
time.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of
customer service.  They customer service not so much.




On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need 
assistance.


On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley <javascript:;>=
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of
Window-Eyes
>>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect
>>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai
>>> >  squared was around. This wil

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Dave via Talk]

Was there a Settlement in this sute?Any Dollar amount made public?  

I sort of remember F/S filing a sute, but wasn't as observant as I am
today.  

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I have been and am still disgusted with the lawsute that they filed against
GW. That victory should have dented FS;s reputation

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 7:33 PM
To: Nick Sarames
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

You really are clueless.  Spite doesn't have a thing to do with it, logic
does.  I needed the keys from them to make it work, no where else to get
them.  I just love it when people comment on something they don't know
anything about.  BTW, been doing this stuff since 1983, so if there had been
another way, I'd have done it.  Why should I reward a cpompany for this lack
of support, or a company that cost gw micro a fortune in a law sute.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:

> I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get 
> help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need
assistance.
>
> On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  
>> I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable 
>> device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so 
>> forth.  The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his 
>> old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let 
>> the batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded 
>> reset.  I called freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help 
>> me at all as I wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted 
>> them and they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased
the product.
>> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order 
>> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their 
>> "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw 
>> the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
>> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its 
>>> shoddy practices built in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vaughan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>>  Hello list.
>>>>
>>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>>
>>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it 
>>>> puts the  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>>
>>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover 
>>>> is for  the Apple products.
>>>>
>>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>>
>>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my 
>>>> heart sick.
>>>>
>>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those 
>>>> commands and  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at
this age.
>>>>
>>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>>
>>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>>>>  Hello list,
>>>>>>  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>>> their web
>>>>>  site.
>>>>>>  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>>> they will
>>>>>  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>>>>  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>>>>  comments.
>>>>>>>>  Regards, John
>>>>>>  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>>>>  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>>>>>>>  -Original Message-
>>>>>  From: Talk
>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet.com@lists.window-eyes.c
>>>> om] > On
>>>>>  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>>>  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>>>>  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>>>  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

You really are clueless.  Spite doesn't have a thing to do with it, 
logic does.  I needed the keys from them to make it work, no where else 
to get them.  I just love it when people comment on something they don't 
know anything about.  BTW, been doing this stuff since 1983, so if there 
had been another way, I'd have done it.  Why should I reward a cpompany 
for this lack of support, or a company that cost gw micro a fortune in a 
law sute.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:


I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance.

On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
"customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


 On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:


VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
shoddy practices built in.



Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

 Hello list.

 I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

 Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
puts the
 other screen reader into the useless category.

 That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
for
 the Apple products.

 Probably that's how it should be any way.

 The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
sick.

 Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
 other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

 Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

 Kenneth Son.



 On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

 Hello list,

 I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on

their web

 site.

 It was interesting to find that in their list of products that

they will

 take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
 I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about

Window-Eyes in >  my

 comments.

 Regards, John

 Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243

 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076

 -Original Message-

 From: Talk


[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >
On

 Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
 To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

 No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays

 around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you

expect

 the same type of customer service and great products as you did

when ai

 squared was around. This will let them know you care about the

product

 and that you are a loyal user.

 On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

 Hi all,

 Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is

wineyes going > >  to be

 fazed out?

 -Original Message-

 From: Talk


[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk

 Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
 To: bj colt via Talk
 Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

 Hello John,
 I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,

there is

 speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it

is, I > >  am

 not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,

amongst

 other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
 Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind

people

 wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work

fund.

 Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
 people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
 technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source,

and they

 think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another

way.

 We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't

pay for

 Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work,

so > >  you

 would have to buy a license 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of
customer service.  They customer service not so much.




On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
> help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance.
>
> On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> > My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
> > don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> > put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
> > a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> > three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> > down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> > freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> > wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> > wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> > It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> > wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> > "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
> > stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> > because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Butch
> > WA0VJR
> > Node 3148
> > Wallace, ks.
> >
> >
> >  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> >
> >> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
> >> shoddy practices built in.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Vaughan.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
> >>>  Hello list.
> >>>
> >>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
> >>>
> >>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
> >>> puts the
> >>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
> >>>
> >>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
> >>> for
> >>>  the Apple products.
> >>>
> >>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
> >>>
> >>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
> >>> sick.
> >>>
> >>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
> and
> >>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
> >>>
> >>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
> >>>
> >>>  Kenneth Son.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> >>> >  Hello list,
> >>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
> >>> their web
> >>> >  site.
> >>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
> >>> they will
> >>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
> >>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
> >>> Window-Eyes in >  my
> >>> >  comments.
> >>> > > > >  Regards, John
> >>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> >>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> >>> > > > >  -Original Message-
> >>> >  From: Talk
> >>> >
> >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] >
> >>> On
> >>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> >>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
> >>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of
> Window-Eyes
> >>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
> >>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
> >>> expect
> >>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
> >>> when ai
> >>> >  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
> >>> product
> >>> >  and that you are a loyal user.
> >>> > > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> >>> > >  Hi all,
> >>> > > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
> >>> wineyes going > >  to be
> >>> > >  fazed out?
> >>> > > > >  -Original Message-
> >>> > >  From: Talk
> >>> > >
> >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> >>> > > > >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> >>> > >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> >>> > >  To: bj colt via Talk
> >>> > >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> >>> > > > >  Hello John,
> >>> > > > >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,
> >>> there is
> >>> > >  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it
> >>> is, I > >  am
> >>> > >  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
> >>> amongst
> >>> > >  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> >>> > >  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
> >>> people
> >>> > >  wanting to get into work, as not 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get 
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance.

On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect
>>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai
>>> >  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product
>>> >  and that you are a loyal user.
>>> > > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  Hi all,
>>> > > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
>>> wineyes going > >  to be
>>> > >  fazed out?
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> > >  From: Talk
>>> > >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> > > > >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>> > >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>> > >  To: bj colt via Talk
>>> > >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>> > > > >  Hello John,
>>> > > > >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,
>>> there is
>>> > >  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it
>>> is, I > >  am
>>> > >  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>>> amongst
>>> > >  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>> > >  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>>> people
>>> > >  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>>> fund.
>>> > >  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>> > >  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>> > >  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source,
>>> and they
>>> > >  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>>> way.
>>> > >  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>>> pay for
>>> > >  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work,
>>> so > >  you
>>> > 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

if window eyes can run on 1 gb of ram and 1 ghz processor and does not 
eat up a lot of processes maybe i will use it during my first time 
finding this screen reader. it was during window eyes 7.0.


and, now since i have faster pc, i am using it! yay!


On 10/17/2016 9:20 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  
I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable 
device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so 
forth.  The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his 
old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the 
batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  
I called freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at 
all as I wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and 
they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the 
product.  It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the 
purchase order wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of 
this to their "customer service" department, they still refused to 
help.  I threw the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff 
totally worthless, because they wouldn't support their product. Just 
my little story.



73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


 On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its 
shoddy practices built in.




Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

 Hello list.

 I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

 Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it 
puts the

 other screen reader into the useless category.

 That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover 
is for

 the Apple products.

 Probably that's how it should be any way.

 The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
sick.


 Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and

 other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

 Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

 Kenneth Son.



 On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>  Hello list,
> >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on 
their web

>  site.
> >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that 
they will

>  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about 
Window-Eyes in >  my

>  comments.
> > > >  Regards, John
> >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> > > >  -Original Message-
>  From: Talk
> 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>  On

>  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of 
Window-Eyes

> >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
expect
>  the same type of customer service and great products as you did 
when ai
>  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the 
product

>  and that you are a loyal user.
> > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> >  Hi all,
> > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is 
wineyes going > >  to be

> >  fazed out?
> > > >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Talk
> > 
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> > > >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk

> >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> >  To: bj colt via Talk
> >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> > > >  Hello John,
> > > >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, 
there is
> >  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it 
is, I > >  am
> >  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
amongst

> >  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> >  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
people
> >  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
fund.

> >  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> >  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> >  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, 
and they
> >  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in 
another way.
> >  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
pay for
> >  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
work, so > >  you
> >  would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of 
your own
> >  pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are > 
>  developing
> >  both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but 
phasing > >  out

> >  Window-Eyes?  To 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I 
don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device put 
out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v a 
bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about three 
thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run down, so 
the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called freedom's 
"customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I wasn't the 
original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they wouldn't help him 
either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.  It was bought by the 
v a and the person who signed the purchase order wasn't with them any 
more.  After explaining all of this to their "customer service" 
department, they still refused to help.  I threw the stuff in the 
dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, because they 
wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.



73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


 On Sun, 16 Oct 
2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:


VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its shoddy 
practices built in.




Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

 Hello list.

 I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

 Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the
 other screen reader into the useless category.

 That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for
 the Apple products.

 Probably that's how it should be any way.

 The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

 Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
 other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

 Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

 Kenneth Son.



 On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>  Hello list,
> 
>  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web

>  site.
> 
>  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will

>  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
>  my

>  comments.
> 
> 
> 
>  Regards, John
> 
>  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243

>  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> 
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-

>  From: Talk
>  [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>  On

>  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> 
>  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays

>  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
>  the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
>  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
>  and that you are a loyal user.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

> >  Hi all,
> > 
> >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
> >  to be

> >  fazed out?
> > 
> >  -Original Message-

> >  From: Talk
> >  [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> > 
> >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk

> >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> >  To: bj colt via Talk
> >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> > 
> >  Hello John,
> > 
> >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> >  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
> >  am

> >  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> >  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> >  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> >  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> >  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> >  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> >  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> >  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> >  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> >  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so 
> >  you

> >  would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> >  pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
> >  developing
> >  both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing 
> >  out

> >  Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
> > 
> > 
>  ___
>  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>  author

>  and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
>  For membership options, visit
>  

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Yup it is. I bought my copy on the LTO plan from 2007 to 2009 and haven't 
looked back.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:43 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free
version for users of Microsoft office.



On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Lease to own?  I was under the impression that they didn't have that 
anymore.  I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off 
in 2010.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things are
done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least 
partially,

due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, 
especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it 
is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, 
themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. 
Those

still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the 
case,

ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO 
management

know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being 
delivered.

I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about.  Also, can they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, 
I

am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because 
of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the 
proverbial

coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, the 
more

users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be
sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty 
to

speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, 
which

makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now,
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE
will continue to remain available.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have
been told something by now.

-

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Well, it has not been mentioned as an option for years, now.  When a new 
version comes out, it is usually mentioned the ways you can obtain it, and 
the only ways I have seen mentioned are the free version for office, and 
other than that, how much it costs if you have to pay for it.  I have not 
seen it on the site, either.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


Hi There!
I talked to someone at AI-Squared Friday, and at that time I was told
that the LTO purchase plan was still in affect.  Not certain of where
you got your info or when..?  Would be interested in knowing.   Just
some info!  Catch Ya Later! de
.
On 16-Oct-16 14:43, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free 
version for users of Microsoft office.




On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Lease to own?  I was under the impression that they didn't have that 
anymore.  I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off 
in 2010.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an 
acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things 
are

done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk 
to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least 
partially,

due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, 
especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it 
is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, 
themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. 
Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, 
may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the 
case,

ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO 
management

know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being 
delivered.

I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, 
I

am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because 
of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the 
proverbial

coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that 
won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, the 
more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, 
be

sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, 
there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty 
to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which 
says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, 
which

makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday,

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi There!
I talked to someone at AI-Squared Friday, and at that time I was told 
that the LTO purchase plan was still in affect.  Not certain of where 
you got your info or when..?  Would be interested in knowing.   Just 
some info!  Catch Ya Later! de

.
On 16-Oct-16 14:43, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the 
free version for users of Microsoft office.




On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Lease to own?  I was under the impression that they didn't have that 
anymore.  I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it 
off in 2010.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an 
acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these 
things are

done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how 
the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to 
talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least 
partially,
due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas 
the

company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, 
especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, 
it is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, 
themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher 
level.  Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, 
but, may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the 
case,

ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO 
management

know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being 
delivered.
I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can 
they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, 
since, I

am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, 
because of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the 
proverbial

coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that 
won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, 
the more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for 
Office, be
sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a 
user-base

that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, 
there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at 
liberty to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which 
says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, 
which

makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now,
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE
will continue to remain available.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have
been

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free 
version for users of Microsoft office.




On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Lease to own?  I was under the impression that they didn't have that 
anymore.  I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it 
off in 2010.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an 
acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things 
are

done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to 
talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least 
partially,

due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, 
especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, 
it is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, 
themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level.  
Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, 
may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the 
case,

ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO 
management

know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being 
delivered.
I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about.  Also, can 
they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, 
since, I

am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, 
because of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the 
proverbial

coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that 
won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, 
the more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for 
Office, be

sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, 
there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at 
liberty to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which 
says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, 
which

makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now,
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE
will continue to remain available.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have
been told something by now.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

So, like, you guys have pretty much already
decided that window-eyes i

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Lease to own?  I was under the impression that they didn't have that 
anymore.  I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 
2010.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things are
done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least partially,
due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one.  And, it is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level.  Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the case,
ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management
know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered.
I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about.  Also, can they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I
am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial
coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be
sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which
makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now,
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE
will continue to remain available.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have
been told something by now.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

So, like, you guys have pretty much already
decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official
announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.

 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
just sit back, 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

At first I thought he meant window eyes, but then I read the message 
underneath where the person said he hoped narrator would be made better.  So 
that's what I thought was talked about when it was said that it was almost 
unusable.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:47 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Window Eyes is working great for me, if it is almost unusable for you, there 
has to be a problem with its installation or something like a virus on your 
computer.
- Original Message - 
 From: Tony C via Talk

 To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


 Hell, it's almost useless now.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Kenneth Son via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:26 AM
 To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

 Hello list.

 I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

 Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts
 the other screen reader into the useless category.

 That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for
 the Apple products.

 Probably that's how it should be any way.

 The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

 Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
 other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

 Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

 Kenneth Son.



 On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
 > Hello list,
 >
 > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
 > site.
 >
 > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
 > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
 > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
my

 > comments.
 >
 >
 >
 > Regards, John
 >
 > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

 > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
 > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
 >
 > No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
 > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
 > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
 > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
 > and that you are a loyal user.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
 >> Hi all,
 >>
 >> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to
 >> be
 >> fazed out?
 >>
 >> -Original Message-
 >> From: Talk
 >> 
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]

 >> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
 >> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
 >> To: bj colt via Talk
 >> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
 >>
 >> Hello John,
 >>
 >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
 >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
 >> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
 >> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
 >> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
 >> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
 >> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
 >> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
 >> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
 >> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
 >> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
 >> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
 >> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
 >> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing

 >> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
 >> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
 >>
 >>
 > ___
 > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
 > author
 > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
 >
 &

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

We can certainly hope. I do, although I'm not optimistic. We are, after all, 
talking about a group of companies that includes Greedom Science Fiction. 
But like others I'll just use the office version of WE until we get an 
official answer and, should the worst case scenario come to pass, continue 
to use it as long as humanly possible. I just know I absolutely will not go 
back to JAWS, even if I have to resort to NVDA fulltime.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:56 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things are
done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least partially,
due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one.  And, it is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level.  Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the case,
ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management
know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered.
I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about.  Also, can they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I
am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial
coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be
sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which
makes this whole conversation null and void.
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad"
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now,
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE
will continue to remain available.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have
been told something by now.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

  

RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition,
there are things that take time to sort out.  Many times, these things are
done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor.

One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the
employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to
employees of the company they were acquiring.  This was, at least partially,
due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the
company being acquired had been unionized.

Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and
with whom, we do not know.

At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially
when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one.  And, it is
possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves,
not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level.  Those
still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may
not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect.  If this is the case,
ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by
folks just as worried as you are, maybe more.  

Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management
know how we feel.

Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet.  You can still
download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered.
I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about.  Also, can they
just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I
am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft?

There are so many things we just do not know.

And, think about this:  Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of
negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial
coffin.

So, spread the word.  There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't
break the bank.  While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more
users, the better.  And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be
sure to register your product.  That will be more evidence of a user-base
that is still growing.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there
may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to
speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says
they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which
makes this whole conversation null and void.  
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.




On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not 
> even 6 months.
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad" 
> <rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>
>
>> True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, 
>> although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE 
>> will continue to remain available.
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
>> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>>
>>Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have 
>> been told something by now.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
>> To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>>
>> So, like, you guys have pretty much already 
>> decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official 
>> announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.
>>
>>  with attitudes like
>>
>>  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
>> just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.
>>
>>
>> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son 

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

And this is some of the evidence that causes people to draw conclusions.


Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Not negative, realistic. Look, i ain't saying we and zt fusion are going
tommorrow but think realistically for a minute.  Vfo didn't go after ai2
for we, they wanted zoomtext and the patents that come with it.  I was a
high partial for a long time and fs's magic has always been considered a
bloated clunky joke of software. People that were instrumental in we are
leaving. Vfo already working to make the shark and zt work together.
There are more low vision people esp. Now that baby boomers getting older.
Low vision is where the money is.  I understand loyalty i been talking to
people at ai2 since i was in junior high and those people leaving since the
merger too.   It ain't looking good y'all.




On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Sky Mundell via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Neither have I.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt <javascript:;>=
shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list.
- Original Message -
From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
To: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net <javascript:;>>;
"Window-Eyes Discussion List"

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes



In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion,

offer


an alternative argument.


The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing

piece


of software is very clear to me.


Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

 So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement
has even been made?  I love your optomism.

  with attitudes like

  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,

just


sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.


10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts
the other screen reader into the useless category.

That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is

for


the Apple products.

Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their
web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they
will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes

in


my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley <javascript:;>=

btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>]

On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you

expect

the same type of customer service and great products as you did when

ai

squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk


[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris <javascript:;>=
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>]

On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fu

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Not negative, realistic. Look, i ain't saying we and zt fusion are going
tommorrow but think realistically for a minute.  Vfo didn't go after ai2
for we, they wanted zoomtext and the patents that come with it.  I was a
high partial for a long time and fs's magic has always been considered a
bloated clunky joke of software. People that were instrumental in we are
leaving. Vfo already working to make the shark and zt work together.
There are more low vision people esp. Now that baby boomers getting older.
Low vision is where the money is.  I understand loyalty i been talking to
people at ai2 since i was in junior high and those people leaving since the
merger too.   It ain't looking good y'all.




On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Sky Mundell via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Neither have I.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt <javascript:;>=
> shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM
> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>
> I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> To: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net <javascript:;>>;
> "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
>
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>
>
> > In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion,
> offer
>
> > an alternative argument.
> >
> >
> > The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing
> piece
>
> > of software is very clear to me.
> >
> >
> > Vaughan.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
> >> So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided
> >> that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement
> >> has even been made?  I love your optomism.
> >>
> >>  with attitudes like
> >>
> >>  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
> just
>
> >> sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.
> >>
> >>
> >> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello list.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
> >>>
> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts
> >>> the other screen reader into the useless category.
> >>>
> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
> for
>
> >>> the Apple products.
> >>>
> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way.
> >>>
> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
> >>> sick.
> >>>
> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
> >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
> >>>
> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
> >>>
> >>> Kenneth Son.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> >>>> Hello list,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their
> >>>> web
> >>>> site.
> >>>>
> >>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they
> >>>> will
> >>>> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
> >>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes
> in
>
> >>>> my
> >>>> comments.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards, John
> >>>>
> >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> >>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Talk
> >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley <javascript:;>=
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 1

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi!

Just a comment or two, I was talking to someone at AI-Squared yesterday, 
and didn't say for certain but I really do believe there has been no 
definite decision made regarding this issue, so all your speculating is 
just that.  It is a free country and yes you have the right to say what 
you wish, but you should probably wait until a final decision is made 
before you start uligizing W.E.  Ohk if it does go, I will be right here 
complaining  along with the rest of you! But why don't we wait to see 
what actually does happen..?  Catch Ya Later! de


 .


On 15-Oct-16 16:56, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list.
- Original Message - From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, 
offer an alternative argument.



The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing 
piece of software is very clear to me.



Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
So, like, you guys have pretty much already 
decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official 
announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.


 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, 
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.



10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it 
puts the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover 
is for the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
sick.


Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this 
age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on 
their web

site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that 
they will

take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about 
Window-Eyes in my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did 
when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the 
product

and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes 
going to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, 
I am

not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
fund.

Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay 
for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, 
so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of 
your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but 
phasing out

Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



___
Any views or opinions presented in th

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, 
there may be legalities.  The AI squared staff are most likely, not at 
liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a 
contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know 
anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void.  
I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our 
answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy 
Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible.





On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not 
even 6 months.
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad" 
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, 
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE 
will continue to remain available.


-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have 
been told

something by now.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement
has even been made?  I love your optomism.

 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.


10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it 
puts the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is 
for the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
sick.


Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on 
their web

site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they 
will

take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about 
Window-Eyes in my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did 
when ai

squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes 
going to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, 
I am

not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
they

think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work wo

RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's correct. Doug anounced it in June, and in two months, it will be
December

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not even 6
months.
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad" 
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


> True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, 
> although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE 
> will continue to remain available.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>
>Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been 
> told something by now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
>
> So, like, you guys have pretty much already 
> decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official 
> announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.
>
>  with attitudes like
>
>  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
> just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.
>
>
> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>
>> Hello list.
>>
>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>
>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
>> the other screen reader into the useless category.
>>
>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is 
>> for the Apple products.
>>
>> Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>
>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.
>>
>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
>> and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>
>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>
>> Kenneth Son.
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their 
>>> web site.
>>>
>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they 
>>> will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes 
>>> in my comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards, John
>>>
>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.co
>>> m]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of 
>>> Window-Eyes
>>>
>>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
>>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you 
>>> did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care 
>>> about the product and that you are a loyal user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes 
>>>> going to be fazed out?
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@lists.window-ey
>>>> es.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out?  it's not even 6 
months.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>; "Chris Skarstad" 
<rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, 
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will 
continue to remain available.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been 
told

something by now.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement
has even been made?  I love your optomism.

 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.


10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the 
other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to 
be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing

both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, 
although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will 
continue to remain available.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

   Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told
something by now.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement
has even been made?  I love your optomism.

 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.


10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the 
other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to 
be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Neither have I.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


> In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer

> an alternative argument.
>
>
> The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece

> of software is very clear to me.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided 
>> that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement 
>> has even been made?  I love your optomism.
>>
>>  with attitudes like
>>
>>  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just

>> sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.
>>
>>
>> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Hello list.
>>>
>>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
>>> the other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for

>>> the Apple products.
>>>
>>> Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
>>> sick.
>>>
>>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
>>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hello list,
>>>>
>>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their 
>>>> web
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they 
>>>> will
>>>> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in

>>>> my
>>>> comments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards, John
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>>> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>>
>>>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
>>>> the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
>>>> squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
>>>> and that you are a loyal user.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
>>>>> to be
>>>>> fazed out?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>>
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you kno

Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Chris Skarstad" <rascal0...@verizon.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer 
an alternative argument.



The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece 
of software is very clear to me.



Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided 
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement 
has even been made?  I love your optomism.


 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just 
sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.



10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
sick.


Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their 
web

site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they 
will

take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
am

not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so 
you

would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing 
out

Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

On the other hand, endless repetitive comments are not very constructive 
and simply clutter up the list.

On 10/15/2016 4:29 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion,
> offer an alternative argument.
>
>
> The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing
> piece of software is very clear to me.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> So, like, you guys have pretty much already
>> decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official
>> announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.
>>
>>  with attitudes like
>>
>>  this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah,
>> just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.
>>
>>
>> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Hello list.
>>>
>>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts
>>> the other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
>>> for the Apple products.
>>>
>>> Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
>>> and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
 Hello list,

 I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their
 web
 site.

 It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they
 will
 take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
 I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes
 in my
 comments.



 Regards, John

 Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
 To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

 No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
 around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
 the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
 squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
 and that you are a loyal user.




 On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes
> going to be
> fazed out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is,
> I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so
> you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are
> developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing
> out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>
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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, 
offer an alternative argument.



The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing 
piece of software is very clear to me.



Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
So, like, you guys have pretty much already 
decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official 
announcement has even been made?  I love your optomism.


 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, 
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.



10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is 
for the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart 
sick.


Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their 
web

site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they 
will

take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes 
in my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes 
going to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, 
I am

not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so 
you

would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing 
out

Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its 
shoddy practices built in.




Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is 
for the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.



On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes 
in my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing

both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Tony C via Talk]

Hell, it's almost useless now.

-Original Message- 
From: Kenneth Son via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:26 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts
the other screen reader into the useless category.

That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for
the Apple products.

Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.



On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to 
be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Tony C via Talk]

They usually ignore anything they don't like. lol

-Original Message- 
From: John Farley via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree I wrote to them until an official announcement is made this is just 
nuts be a little positive.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Skarstad via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Kenneth Son" <hamradio3...@aol.com>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes


So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided 
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement 
has even been made?  I love your optomism.


 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just 
sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.



10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the 
other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in 
my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to 
be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing

both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided 
that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement 
has even been made?  I love your optomism.


 with attitudes like

 this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, 
just sit back, and don't do anything.   Great attitudes y'all.



10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:


Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is 
for the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands 
and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes 
in my

comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are 
developing

both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Kenneth Son via Talk]

Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.


On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Kenneth Son via Talk]

Hello list.

I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts 
the other screen reader into the useless category.


That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for 
the Apple products.


Probably that's how it should be any way.

The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick.

Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and 
other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.


Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

Kenneth Son.



On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Don H via Talk]

Back when Open Book was owned by Arkenstone the users list for Open Book 
was monitored by the Arkenstone staff.  Then when FS purchased Open Book 
that monitoring stopped never to be seen again.  Simply put FS doesn't 
monitor their users list.


On 10/15/2016 8:19 AM, David via Talk wrote:

For all the years I have been a WE user, one of the outstanding things
to be said about the staff, was that they actually cared to follow the
trafic on the mailing lists. Valuable instructions and feedback has been
received from the staff directly, and as a user, you could give direct
feedback straight to the staff. Along with the fact, you could have them
join in, when a certain feature has been discussed.


To the extent of my knowledge, it seems noone from the new staff will
yet have presented themselves on this - or any of the other WE related
lists. And one of the more active ones of the old staff, Marc, has now
left.


Am I correct, that this list more or less by now will have been left for
the user-community? That in the coming, when you have an issue that
could need attention, but which might need a bit of community discussion
to take the best form - we will have to first discuss things here, and
then parallel with that, go to some Website and fill in some form (which
from the below message seems to not even recognize WE), to make the
staff aware we have an issue? In such a case: Guess how many will just
drop uttering their ideas for improvement.


Would it be a great thing, could someone from the new staff join the
list, and let us all know. Or, in case they are already listening, would
it be great if they let us be informed. Many times lately, I have a
feeling we are speaking to the wall. I do realize that the great
reorganizing that comes from the merge, may well take up much resources.
But still, good contact with your users will be the number one thing,
should your product succeed, and your customer service be outstanding.


Is there any way for WE users, to contact the VFO officers directly, or
are we just left to go through whatever hoops and loops, to be allowed
sending a message, hoping someone ever bothers to reply? This might be
important to know, specially if the spiculations are meant to cease.



David

On 10/15/2016 12:46 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[David via Talk]

For all the years I have been a WE user, one of the outstanding things 
to be said about the staff, was that they actually cared to follow the 
trafic on the mailing lists. Valuable instructions and feedback has been 
received from the staff directly, and as a user, you could give direct 
feedback straight to the staff. Along with the fact, you could have them 
join in, when a certain feature has been discussed.


To the extent of my knowledge, it seems noone from the new staff will 
yet have presented themselves on this - or any of the other WE related 
lists. And one of the more active ones of the old staff, Marc, has now 
left.


Am I correct, that this list more or less by now will have been left for 
the user-community? That in the coming, when you have an issue that 
could need attention, but which might need a bit of community discussion 
to take the best form - we will have to first discuss things here, and 
then parallel with that, go to some Website and fill in some form (which 
from the below message seems to not even recognize WE), to make the 
staff aware we have an issue? In such a case: Guess how many will just 
drop uttering their ideas for improvement.


Would it be a great thing, could someone from the new staff join the 
list, and let us all know. Or, in case they are already listening, would 
it be great if they let us be informed. Many times lately, I have a 
feeling we are speaking to the wall. I do realize that the great 
reorganizing that comes from the merge, may well take up much resources. 
But still, good contact with your users will be the number one thing, 
should your product succeed, and your customer service be outstanding.


Is there any way for WE users, to contact the VFO officers directly, or 
are we just left to go through whatever hoops and loops, to be allowed 
sending a message, hoping someone ever bothers to reply? This might be 
important to know, specially if the spiculations are meant to cease.



David

On 10/15/2016 12:46 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
> site.
>
> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
> comments.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect
> the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai
> squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product
> and that you are a loyal user.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
>> fazed out?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>> To: bj colt via Talk
>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>
>>
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Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[John Farley via Talk]

Hello list,

I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web
site.

It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will
take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my
comments.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect 
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai 
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product 
and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
> fazed out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>

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