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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Ringwald via Talk


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-Original Message- 
From: HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:17 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

Can someone let me know the unsbuscription details for this list please?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steven.hicks=nhs@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: 19 December 2016 19:00
To: 'Brandon Miller'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.


For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free 
product's code is still protected - will there be on-going development or 
will the code be released into the public domain?


Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will 
those bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?


Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely 
to be honoured?


If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a 
listserv which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable 
questions?


I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW. 
But VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE 
FRONT FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.




Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
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Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk

Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time 
professionally as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency 
every day. At a recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most 
certainly seem to be that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, 
kill off, Window-eyes, either now or in the not too distant future. The 
question I asked was, why are we, that is the assistive tech department, 
going to officially be promoting the use of NVDA as a free screen reader, 
and not Window-eyes? My logic being that Window-eyes can also essentially be 
free as well. That's when several replies came back that gave me the 
distinct impression that Window-eyes'
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a 
customer of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those 
days? Back when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember 
when it used to be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I 
do feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps 
learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly 
hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!


Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-20 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

Ask yourself why Earle Harrison from Triumph Technology was ask by the VFO 
group to no longer be able to sell Window-Eyes?  It looks like the only 
place to buy Window-Eyes is from Ai Squared.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:51 AM
To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wayning Window-eyes

Hi Joe And Folks!

I don't think Window-Eyes is going anywhere in the near future, they are
still sellin SMAs and according to what they said to me about 3 to 4
days ago they will be selling them for the near future.  I guess
anything could happen between now and then, but I am certainly not going
to spend my time speculating about something that might or might not
happen.  You know the world might get struck by an astroid and all this
discussion would be for not<SMILE!>.  Enjoy Window-Eyes while it is here
and if for some reason it happens to go away, we will just have to find
another screen reader.  Have A Good 1! de

.

On 19-Dec-16 09:08, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:
Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just 
beginning and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting 
in the chair using vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. 
What a great day that was for me I believe it was at one of the major 
summer convention.

Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time 
professionally as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness 
agency every day. At a recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room 
did most certainly seem to be that VFO most likely does have plans to 
quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, either now or in the not too distant 
future. The question I asked was, why are we, that is the assistive tech 
department, going to officially be promoting the use of NVDA as a free 
screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that Window-eyes can 
also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies came back 
that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' days may in truth 
be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer of Gw Micro 
since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back when it 
used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to be 
Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I

 d
  o feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to 
perhaps learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I 
certainly hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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RE: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-20 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 1:17 AM
To: Vaughan Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

Can someone let me know the unsbuscription details for this list please?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steven.hicks=nhs@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: 19 December 2016 19:00
To: 'Brandon Miller'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.

For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free product's 
code is still protected - will there be on-going development or will the code 
be released into the public domain?

Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will those 
bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?

Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
be honoured?

If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a listserv 
which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable questions?

I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  But 
VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE FRONT 
FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.

Vaughan.

Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
faxing any new referrals.

Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes'
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer 
of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back 
when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to 
be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do feel that Gw 
Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps learn new ways of 
becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly hope the shark 
doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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RE: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) via Talk

Can someone let me know the unsbuscription details for this list please?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steven.hicks=nhs@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: 19 December 2016 19:00
To: 'Brandon Miller'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.

For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free product's 
code is still protected - will there be on-going development or will the code 
be released into the public domain?

Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will those 
bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?

Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
be honoured?

If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a listserv 
which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable questions?

I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  But 
VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE FRONT 
FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.

Vaughan.

Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
faxing any new referrals.

Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.

Desk2desk: 97187.
Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes'
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer 
of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back 
when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to 
be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do feel that Gw 
Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps learn new ways of 
becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly hope the shark 
doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

As frustrating as it is, VFO doesn't owe you an answer or explanation, 
and you don't owe them your business.

On 12/19/2016 2:00 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> What is required is for VFO to say something.
>
> Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
> missing the evidence.
>
> For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free 
> product's code is still protected - will there be on-going development or 
> will the code be released into the public domain?
>
> Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will 
> those bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?
>
> Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
> Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
> be honoured?
>
> If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a 
> listserv which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable 
> questions?
>
> I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  
> But VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE 
> FRONT FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.
>
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
> faxing any new referrals.
>
> Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.
>
> Desk2desk: 97187.
> Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
> For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz.
>
> Our up-to-date desk file is located at:
> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Wayning Window-eyes
>
> All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time 
> professionally as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency 
> every day. At a recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most 
> certainly seem to be that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, 
> kill off, Window-eyes, either now or in the not too distant future. The 
> question I asked was, why are we, that is the assistive tech department, 
> going to officially be promoting the use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and 
> not Window-eyes? My logic being that Window-eyes can also essentially be free 
> as well. That's when several replies came back that gave me the distinct 
> impression that Window-eyes'
> days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a 
> customer of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those 
> days? Back when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember 
> when it used to be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do 
> feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps 
> learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly 
> hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!
>
> Brandon Miller
>
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RE: Wayning Window-eyes. Aaron?

2016-12-19 Thread Andre via Talk

Unfortunately, We've lost so much staff. Is Aaron still part of the WE team?
He dealt with app development etc.? Hopefully he still is because the moment
he's not is the very second you can confirm the death of Window Eyes.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

Absolutely right Tom.  I'm with you already.  If I had the money,  I would
pull GWMicro out of this.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:42 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wayning Window-eyes

I'm with you, Olusegun.

I planned on buying GW, making it a not for profit organization, keeping 
the wonderful staff, and giving Doug an open checkbook to hire a few 
more killer programmers. But then I didn't win our record breaking 1.5 
billion dollar lottery. So I couldn't quite pull together the funding.

Now I just sit here all day listening to Sinatra sing The Impossible 
dream. And I weep.

On 12/19/2016 2:01 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> I wish that the stocks of an adaptive technology company can be publicly
> traded.  I don't have enough pennies to my name, but I'd certainly buy a
few
> just as I do now with penny stocks.  Why adaptive technology companies
won't
> offer sale of stocks to the public blows my mind, but what exactly do I
know
> about business?
>
> If I could, I'd like to rescue GW Micro and bring it back.  Even if the
name
> may change, it certainly WILL NOT be part of the new V F O magic.  I
didn't
> like the merger with AI Squared; when it happened, I cringed!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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RE: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

Absolutely right Tom.  I'm with you already.  If I had the money,  I would
pull GWMicro out of this.

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I'm with you, Olusegun.

I planned on buying GW, making it a not for profit organization, keeping 
the wonderful staff, and giving Doug an open checkbook to hire a few 
more killer programmers. But then I didn't win our record breaking 1.5 
billion dollar lottery. So I couldn't quite pull together the funding.

Now I just sit here all day listening to Sinatra sing The Impossible 
dream. And I weep.

On 12/19/2016 2:01 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> I wish that the stocks of an adaptive technology company can be publicly
> traded.  I don't have enough pennies to my name, but I'd certainly buy a
few
> just as I do now with penny stocks.  Why adaptive technology companies
won't
> offer sale of stocks to the public blows my mind, but what exactly do I
know
> about business?
>
> If I could, I'd like to rescue GW Micro and bring it back.  Even if the
name
> may change, it certainly WILL NOT be part of the new V F O magic.  I
didn't
> like the merger with AI Squared; when it happened, I cringed!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk


I'm with you, Olusegun.

I planned on buying GW, making it a not for profit organization, keeping 
the wonderful staff, and giving Doug an open checkbook to hire a few 
more killer programmers. But then I didn't win our record breaking 1.5 
billion dollar lottery. So I couldn't quite pull together the funding.


Now I just sit here all day listening to Sinatra sing The Impossible 
dream. And I weep.


On 12/19/2016 2:01 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

I wish that the stocks of an adaptive technology company can be publicly
traded.  I don't have enough pennies to my name, but I'd certainly buy a few
just as I do now with penny stocks.  Why adaptive technology companies won't
offer sale of stocks to the public blows my mind, but what exactly do I know
about business?

If I could, I'd like to rescue GW Micro and bring it back.  Even if the name
may change, it certainly WILL NOT be part of the new V F O magic.  I didn't
like the merger with AI Squared; when it happened, I cringed!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Jim via Talk

I certainly can understand your frustration, but the day that I call 
AISquared for technical support or to purchase a new SMA and I either 
get the recording that the number I have dialed is no longer in service  
or when the person answering the phone answers "VFO or JAWS" I will not 
believe that it is actually dead! I wonder when that will happen..? Have 
A Good 1! de


.


On 19-Dec-16 14:00, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.

For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free product's 
code is still protected - will there be on-going development or will the code 
be released into the public domain?

Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will those 
bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?

Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
be honoured?

If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a listserv 
which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable questions?

I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  But 
VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE FRONT 
FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.



Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
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Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes'
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer 
of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back 
when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to 
be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do feel that Gw 
Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps learn new ways of 
becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly hope the shark 
doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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RE: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

I wish that the stocks of an adaptive technology company can be publicly
traded.  I don't have enough pennies to my name, but I'd certainly buy a few
just as I do now with penny stocks.  Why adaptive technology companies won't
offer sale of stocks to the public blows my mind, but what exactly do I know
about business?

If I could, I'd like to rescue GW Micro and bring it back.  Even if the name
may change, it certainly WILL NOT be part of the new V F O magic.  I didn't
like the merger with AI Squared; when it happened, I cringed!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.

For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free product's 
code is still protected - will there be on-going development or will the code 
be released into the public domain?

Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will those 
bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?

Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
be honoured?

If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a listserv 
which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable questions?

I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  But 
VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE FRONT 
FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.



Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' 
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer 
of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back 
when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to 
be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do feel that Gw 
Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps learn new ways of 
becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly hope the shark 
doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

I for one will continue to use WE as long as humanly possible regardless of 
what VFO eventually does. I also plan to renew my lapsed SMA just as son as 
finances permit so I can once again use the Vocalizer voices I purchased 
four years ago when I want a break from Microsoft Xera.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:51 AM
To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wayning Window-eyes

Hi Joe And Folks!

I don't think Window-Eyes is going anywhere in the near future, they are
still sellin SMAs and according to what they said to me about 3 to 4
days ago they will be selling them for the near future.  I guess
anything could happen between now and then, but I am certainly not going
to spend my time speculating about something that might or might not
happen.  You know the world might get struck by an astroid and all this
discussion would be for not<SMILE!>.  Enjoy Window-Eyes while it is here
and if for some reason it happens to go away, we will just have to find
another screen reader.  Have A Good 1! de

.


On 19-Dec-16 09:08, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:
Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just 
beginning and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting 
in the chair using vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. 
What a great day that was for me I believe it was at one of the major 
summer convention.


Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time 
professionally as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness 
agency every day. At a recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room 
did most certainly seem to be that VFO most likely does have plans to 
quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, either now or in the not too distant 
future. The question I asked was, why are we, that is the assistive tech 
department, going to officially be promoting the use of NVDA as a free 
screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that Window-eyes can 
also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies came back 
that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' days may in truth 
be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer of Gw Micro 
since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back when it 
used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to be 
Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I

 d
  o feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to 
perhaps learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I 
certainly hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!


Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Jim via Talk

Hi Joe And Folks!

I don't think Window-Eyes is going anywhere in the near future, they are
still sellin SMAs and according to what they said to me about 3 to 4
days ago they will be selling them for the near future. I guess
anything could happen between now and then, but I am certainly not going
to spend my time speculating about something that might or might not
happen. You know the world might get struck by an astroid and all this
discussion would be for not. Enjoy Window-Eyes while it is here
and if for some reason it happens to go away, we will just have to find
another screen reader. Have A Good 1! de

On 19-Dec-16 09:08, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just beginning
and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting in the chair using
vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. What a great day that was
for me I believe it was at one of the major summer convention.

Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk
wrote:

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes,
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' days may in
truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer of Gw Micro
since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back when it used
to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to be Arkenstone
who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I

o feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps
learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly
hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

2016-12-19 Thread Jo Taliaferro via Talk

Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just
beginning and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting in the
chair using vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. What a great
day that was for me I believe it was at one of the major summer convention.

Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk
wrote:

Brandon Miller

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