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also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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the screen reader tells the orbit20 to show dots 7 and 8 directly underneath the letter you are editing. its just like a $4000 braille display it is exactly the same. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I cannot use orbit20 with window eyes. I can use orbit20 with NVDA, and I can use orbit20 with jaws. orbit20 works excellent with NVDA and it also works excellent with jaws also! the screen reader tells orbit20 to use dots 7 and 8 as a cursor under the character you are currently editing. Josh Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Oh, that sucks, then. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:33 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Hi Josh, I'm curious which braille display option you chose when trying to get it to work with Window-Eyes. As memory serves, the best way to install a braille display with Window-Eyes is to run the Setup wizard. When you get to the braille display section, I believe it will attempt to recognize the display automatically. See what happens If you try this. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:26 PM To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we I cannot use orbit20 with window eyes. I can use orbit20 with NVDA, and I can use orbit20 with jaws. orbit20 works excellent with NVDA and it also works excellent with jaws also! the screen reader tells orbit20 to use dots 7 and 8 as a cursor under the character you are currently editing. Josh Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > Joshua, > > I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume > there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't > use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If > so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a > word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no > characters changed? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: braille displays and we > > also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not > work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 > emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other > braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the > braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine > signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust > resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype > once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it > up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins > fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not > care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille > you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math > braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write > any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 > shorthand if you want. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson > %40visi.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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orbit20 prototype works great with Jaws and NVDA though. On 4/8/2017 5:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: Oh, that sucks, then. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:33 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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when i tried it, it did not see the orbit20 as a braille display. and it did not see it as a refreshabraille when I put it into rb18 emulation mode either. On 4/8/2017 6:28 PM, Rod Hutton wrote: Hi Josh, I'm curious which braille display option you chose when trying to get it to work with Window-Eyes. As memory serves, the best way to install a braille display with Window-Eyes is to run the Setup wizard. When you get to the braille display section, I believe it will attempt to recognize the display automatically. See what happens If you try this. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:26 PM To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we I cannot use orbit20 with window eyes. I can use orbit20 with NVDA, and I can use orbit20 with jaws. orbit20 works excellent with NVDA and it also works excellent with jaws also! the screen reader tells orbit20 to use dots 7 and 8 as a cursor under the character you are currently editing. Josh Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > Joshua, > > I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I > assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You > said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with > other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor > that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does > it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: braille displays and we > > also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not > work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 > emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other > braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the > braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine > signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust > resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype > once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick > it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no > pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor > does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind > of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music > or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and > stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own > or write grade3 shorthand if you want. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.ja > cobson > %40visi.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I agree, I wonder what happens if you are panning through a large document and want to edit a word 5 pages into your document, how does one move the editing cursor to the place on the braille display? Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. http://www.MysticAccess.com Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at: http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to: manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, Apr 24, 2017 6:03 AM EST To: 'Josh Kennedy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.ja cobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jedikent%40mysticaccess.email. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http
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Steve, Those of us who saw earlier prototypes of the Orbit braille display product are not sure how well it will perform in environments where one is editing and the only characters that are changing are the dots that show the cursor. For many, the absence of cursor routing keys is also a significant disadvantage as you have already stated. Some have said that the display is very flexible and could be the basis of a display with more features but still priced lower than what we have come to expect. Time will tell on how that shakes out. Clearly, this display will work very well in situations where the main function is reading. If a version of this display is distributed free to customers of our National Library Service as are machines for reading audio, it would really have an impact. If it works as well as Josh describes in editing situations, the disadvantage of no cursor routing keys might be easier to overlook. It would require some getting used to, though, by those of us using displays with that feature. Some of these questions won't have answers until we see the final product and know which display drivers will be used for sure. Still, it will almost certainly make braille easier to afford, but it may not eliminate the need for the higher priced displays for many of us. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:03 AM To: 'Josh Kennedy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > Joshua, > > I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I > assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You > said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with > other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor > that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does > it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: braille displays and we > > also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not > work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 > emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other > braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the > braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine > signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust > resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype > once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick > it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no > pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor > does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind > of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music > or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and > stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own > or write grade3 shorthand if you want. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.ja > cobson > %40visi.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For me
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Hi Chris, Perhaps a little app could be written to accomplish this. A brief glance at the developer's manual leads me to believe it shouldn't be too difficult. All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:06 AM To: Steve Nutt via Talk Subject: Re: braille displays and we I agree, I wonder what happens if you are panning through a large document and want to edit a word 5 pages into your document, how does one move the editing cursor to the place on the braille display? Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. http://www.MysticAccess.com Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at: http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to: manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, Apr 24, 2017 6:03 AM EST To: 'Josh Kennedy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own or write grade3 shorthand if you want. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.ja cobson %40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jedikent
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Many of the listers may never remember the "old days" in the assistive world. But for those of us who does, I for one can still remember the days when no Braille display had cursor routing capabilities. I can assure you it is not totally necessary, though quite handy, to have this functionality. As for the user who asked how to fetch the cursor, in the middle of a 15 page document, I am not totally sure I get the point in the query. And, it's been a while since I had a Braille display attached to my WinEyes machine, so forebare please with me, should my memory fail. Usually, when moving the Braille display, you could set it to "pull" the cursor along. At least, that used to be the case in other screen readers. Meaning, if you move the Braille display to next line, the cursor on the screen also would move down one line in the document. Now, should you find something to correct on that line, you would just have to use the arrows on the computer keyboard to direct the cursor to the correct position. Alternatively, instead of moving the Braille Display line by line, you would set it to follow the cursor, and then do all your moving directly with the computer arrows. That way, you definitely would have the cursor handy - at the same line as the display - at any given time. Sure, you would have to move your hand up on the main keyboard for the next line, but that simply is a matter of habit. With a small display of something like 20-30 cells, you might even be better off in doing the reading altogether with one hand, leaving the other on the arrows of your main keyboard, thereby eliminating all issues of cursor redirection. As for how to operate the mouse, by using the braille display - like when you can click one of the cursor routing keys and have it act as a mouse-click - I am not sure how they solve this on modern displays without the cursor-routing keys. My experience with this kind of displays run way back in the DOS days, when a mouse still had four legs, peeped, and ran into the nearest hole in the wall when it heard any mention of a cat. Hence, the issue of operating such a pet on the computer screen for a blind person, would still be several years ahead in time. Smiles. Well, have we all been a bit nostalgic through the years? :D David On 4/24/2017 11:34 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Perhaps a little app could be written to accomplish this. > A brief glance at the developer's manual leads me to believe it shouldn't be > too difficult. > > All the best, > > Rod > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:06 AM > To: Steve Nutt via Talk > Subject: Re: braille displays and we > > I agree, > I wonder what happens if you are panning through a large document and > want to edit a word 5 pages into your document, how does one move the > editing cursor to the place on the braille display? > > > > Chris Grabowski > Mystic Access > Where the magic is in learning. > http://www.MysticAccess.com > > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at: > http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com > > Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, > podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to: > > manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email > >Contact: > > Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) > > Twitter: MysticAccess > Facebook: mysticaccessempower > > > > ---- Original Message > From: Steve Nutt via Talk > Sent: Monday, Apr 24, 2017 6:03 AM EST > To: 'Josh Kennedy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: braille displays and we > > Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. > > I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. > > All the best > > Steve > > -Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk > Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > > Subject: RE: braille displays and we > > yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is > ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. > when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > > On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > > Joshua, > > I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I > assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You > said you can't use it with Wind
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Yes. Isn't that called cursor tracking? My first braille display was a keybraille that I had with my dos computer I used on my job. It could only produce computer braille, and there was no such thing as cursor routing. I made all my corrections on the computer. My first braille lite didn't have it either, but you used key strokes to bring the cursor to where you needed it to be to correct the mistake. Pam. -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:03 AM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris G Subject: Re: braille displays and we Many of the listers may never remember the "old days" in the assistive world. But for those of us who does, I for one can still remember the days when no Braille display had cursor routing capabilities. I can assure you it is not totally necessary, though quite handy, to have this functionality. As for the user who asked how to fetch the cursor, in the middle of a 15 page document, I am not totally sure I get the point in the query. And, it's been a while since I had a Braille display attached to my WinEyes machine, so forebare please with me, should my memory fail. Usually, when moving the Braille display, you could set it to "pull" the cursor along. At least, that used to be the case in other screen readers. Meaning, if you move the Braille display to next line, the cursor on the screen also would move down one line in the document. Now, should you find something to correct on that line, you would just have to use the arrows on the computer keyboard to direct the cursor to the correct position. Alternatively, instead of moving the Braille Display line by line, you would set it to follow the cursor, and then do all your moving directly with the computer arrows. That way, you definitely would have the cursor handy - at the same line as the display - at any given time. Sure, you would have to move your hand up on the main keyboard for the next line, but that simply is a matter of habit. With a small display of something like 20-30 cells, you might even be better off in doing the reading altogether with one hand, leaving the other on the arrows of your main keyboard, thereby eliminating all issues of cursor redirection. As for how to operate the mouse, by using the braille display - like when you can click one of the cursor routing keys and have it act as a mouse-click - I am not sure how they solve this on modern displays without the cursor-routing keys. My experience with this kind of displays run way back in the DOS days, when a mouse still had four legs, peeped, and ran into the nearest hole in the wall when it heard any mention of a cat. Hence, the issue of operating such a pet on the computer screen for a blind person, would still be several years ahead in time. Smiles. Well, have we all been a bit nostalgic through the years? :D David On 4/24/2017 11:34 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi Chris, Perhaps a little app could be written to accomplish this. A brief glance at the developer's manual leads me to believe it shouldn't be too difficult. All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:06 AM To: Steve Nutt via Talk Subject: Re: braille displays and we I agree, I wonder what happens if you are panning through a large document and want to edit a word 5 pages into your document, how does one move the editing cursor to the place on the braille display? Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. http://www.MysticAccess.com Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at: http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to: manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, Apr 24, 2017 6:03 AM EST To: 'Josh Kennedy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: braille displays and we Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Ja
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I agree with you. My U2 Qwerty and my Braille Edge have cursor routing keys, more cells, and I can make lots of braille hot keys for W E with them. As the saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Nope, the Orbit isn't for me, either. Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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On the HIMS braille displays, you can use the keyboard or the navigation keys on the braille display itself for the arrow keys, home, and end. There are braille hot keys for page up and page down. You don't have to use the PC's keyboard. I also added 48 braille hot keys for my U2 Qwerty so I can type everything using its keyboard instead of the PC's keyboard. There are only a few keys that require me to use the PC keyboard. It's so wonderful! Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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It has been a few months since I saw the prototype, but my guess is that you will use traditional chord commands - space-d4 Etc. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 10:03 p.m. To: 'Josh Kennedy'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we Hardly useful if you can't move the cursor with the display. I think I'll give the Orbit a miss. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk Sent: 08 April 2017 19:23 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: braille displays and we yes that is correct, there are no cursor routing buttons at all. but that is ok I can do without cursor routing buttons. when you are editing a word, the screen reader tells the orbit20 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 8, 2017 14:17:22 "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > Joshua, > > I have not seen the latest prototypes of the Orbit Reader, but I > assume there are still no cursor routing keys, is that correct? You > said you can't use it with Window-Eyes, but have you used it with > other screen readers? If so, what does it do when you have a cursor > that moves when you are editing a word? In other words, how well does > it show that a cursor moved but no characters changed? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:33 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: braille displays and we > > also I am testing still the orbit reader20 prototype and it does not > work with window eyes even in rb18 emulation mode or refreshabraille18 > emulation mode. the braille on the orbit20 is better than any other > braille display I have ever seen in my whole life. It feels like the > braille you see on elevator doors, hotel room doors, or ATM machine > signage quality firm durable braille. and it is liquid and dust > resistant also. I accidentally dropped the orbit reader 20 prototype > once and nothing happened, it fell upside down and i was able to pick > it up and it just keeps working, not a scratch on it at all and no > pins fell out at all. and its basic internal text or braille editor > does not care what braille code you write in. you can write any kind > of braille you wish whether its contracted braille ueb braille music > or nemeth math braille. just like a perkins brailler or slate and > stylus, you can write any braille code you wish, even make up your own > or write grade3 shorthand if you want. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.ja > cobson > %40visi.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify t
