Re: [OSM-talk] List of "A year of edits" videos

[Ilya Zverev]

MonkZ wrote:

> I'm seeking a list of "A Year of Edits" videos.

Done: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Timelapse_videos

IZ

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:59:43 +0100
Andy Townsend  wrote:

> For comparison I 
> recently had a look at the OSM map style as it was in April 2014 (...)
> and it's not any easier to customise.

This is less subjective than two others - and in that case I am pretty
sure that situation improved. For example replacing many hardcoded
colour values by variables and png to svg icon conversion makes
customization easier.

There were also improvements and I am pretty sure that that changes
that made customization harder were really rare and limited.

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[Lester Caine]

On 23/09/15 13:59, Andy Townsend wrote:
> To add to that, creating "a personal map style" of a small area using
> https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/
> whilst not for everyone, isn't that difficult these days, and it doesn't
> require huge server resources.  There are also canned options such as
> Mapbox of course if you want someone to host it for you.  It'd be nice
> if there was a way to see the tiles on osm.org without resorting to
> cludges such as
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/Your_tiles_from_osm.org
> though.

I'm STILL struggling to get a private tile server working just covering
the UK. I DO have my own tweaked version of the style shhet running via
Tilemil, but while the database SHOULD be updating, I'm not seeing
changes I made rendered on the local copy, and I still need to get a
proper tile cache working.

But what I do have working shows in house rendering is not at all
difficult. Just need to nail all the cludges in a simple to roll package
of tools?

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[Andy Townsend]

On 23/09/2015 11:53, joost schouppe wrote:
... I don't know how we could expect OSM-carto to reflect all our 
needs. Apart from being a tool for mappers (i.e. showing as much as 
possible), it also wants to be pretty and useful for non-mappers. 
Trying to make everyone happy might make everyone unhappy in the end.


I completely agree with that. 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md 
sums up what it's trying to do, and to be fair that does say that the 
three main aims "pull in different directions".  For comparison I 
recently had a look at the OSM map style as it was in April 2014, and 
personally I'm not convinced that progress has been made in two of the 
three areas mentioned as goals (specfically detail's less visible, the 
design _is_ clearer (as in more coherent) and it's not any easier to 
customise).




If you want to make people who need paths happy, just send them to 
waymarkedtrails.org  or to opentopomap.org 
 . And if that doesn't make you happy, use 
overpass-turbo (e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bCm) to highlight the 
features you need. And show them in a pretty map with umap (see 
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/09/creating-an-always-up-to-date-map.html 
for instructions).
(Yes, the performance of umap/overpass combo isn't great, that could 
really use some improvement. And yes, it would be nice if osm.org 
 was more of a portal for all of us special needs people)


To add to that, creating "a personal map style" of a small area using 
https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/ 
whilst not for everyone, isn't that difficult these days, and it doesn't 
require huge server resources.  There are also canned options such as 
Mapbox of course if you want someone to host it for you.  It'd be nice 
if there was a way to see the tiles on osm.org without resorting to 
cludges such as 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/Your_tiles_from_osm.org 
though.


Cheers

Andy (SomeoneElse)

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[joost schouppe]

While I am guilty of some of the same reflexes (see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/110 ), I don't
know how we could expect OSM-carto to reflect all our needs. Apart from
being a tool for mappers (i.e. showing as much as possible), it also wants
to be pretty and useful for non-mappers. Trying to make everyone happy
might make everyone unhappy in the end.

If you want to make people who need paths happy, just send them to
waymarkedtrails.org or to opentopomap.org . And if that doesn't make you
happy, use overpass-turbo (e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bCm) to
highlight the features you need. And show them in a pretty map with umap
(see
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/09/creating-an-always-up-to-date-map.html
for instructions).
(Yes, the performance of umap/overpass combo isn't great, that could really
use some improvement. And yes, it would be nice if osm.org was more of a
portal for all of us special needs people)

2015-09-23 11:42 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo :

> On 23/09/2015, henk van der laan  wrote:
> > Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and
> > gsoc the new one, right?
>
> There's been a tremendous amount of discussion, feedback, a tweaks
> about this change:
> * https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1736
> * http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz Konieczny/diary
> * various calls for participation on this mailing list.
>
> OSM, and osm-carto in particular are developed in the open. If
> anything, they are often flooded by feedback. Please use open source
> to your advantage and check the process, the challenges and the
> compromises before passing judgement, and contribute using those
> channels if you can.
>
> Osm-carto is full of compromises trying to reach a balance between all
> the requirements, it is no easy task. For example, the tertiary roads
> styling you bemoan has been heavily debated before reaching the
> current conclusion; a tough requirements was keeping a high enough
> contrast for non-ideal viewing conditions.
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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 23/09/2015, henk van der laan  wrote:
> Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and
> gsoc the new one, right?

There's been a tremendous amount of discussion, feedback, a tweaks
about this change:
* https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1736
* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz Konieczny/diary
* various calls for participation on this mailing list.

OSM, and osm-carto in particular are developed in the open. If
anything, they are often flooded by feedback. Please use open source
to your advantage and check the process, the challenges and the
compromises before passing judgement, and contribute using those
channels if you can.

Osm-carto is full of compromises trying to reach a balance between all
the requirements, it is no easy task. For example, the tertiary roads
styling you bemoan has been heavily debated before reaching the
current conclusion; a tough requirements was keeping a high enough
contrast for non-ideal viewing conditions.

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 09:10:44 +0200
henk van der laan  wrote:

> 
> 
> > W dniu 22.09.2015 15:49, Mateusz Konieczny napisa?(a):
> > 
> > > Note that it is not including the latest changes that are not
> > > deployed on the OSM website (currently it includes the new road
> > > style).
> > 
> > One can preview those changes here (for some testing places):
> > 
> > http://bl.ocks.org/pnorman/raw/c61d6b11193081910866/#6.00/40.000/-75.000
> 
> Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and
> gsoc the new one, right?

osm-carto is currently deployed version and gsoc is version with the
new road style and without some relatively minor recent changes.

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Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

[henk van der laan]

> W dniu 22.09.2015 15:49, Mateusz Konieczny napisa?(a):
> 
> > Note that it is not including the latest changes that are not deployed
> > on the OSM website (currently it includes the new road style).
> 
> One can preview those changes here (for some testing places):
> 
> http://bl.ocks.org/pnorman/raw/c61d6b11193081910866/#6.00/40.000/-75.000

Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and
gsoc the new one, right?
It seems road importance has dropped a level, and tertiary is no longer distinct
by colour. That would have severe impications for the map in Europe,
where tertiary roads are the main roads in rural areas. They link
villages, or in case of city's neighberhoods. As so they are the
preferred roads for travelling and should be emphasized over
unclassified.
This may work at a low zoomlevel but at higher zoomlevels it adds
confusion because tertiary and unclassified have the same colour.


regards

Henk


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