Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Island House
Either tag is ok. I'd suggest a change of the name tag to something like old_name so that Mapnik stops rendering it. I know that's a bit of a fudge but better than anything else. Additionally as Matt suggests a new area polygon needs adding for the site on which it sat as landuse=brownfield Cheers Andy From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 28 March 2012 17:51 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Island House The much-talked about Island House, in Birmingham's Eastside, is now, controversially, demolished, and someone has tagged it 'building:demolished=yes'. Is that correct? Or should it be building=demolished, or some other tag? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Remapping efforts in Coventry
Hi Jon, As OSM is changing data licence on 1st April [1] there has been an un-coordinated effort underway globally to replace OSM data that is incompatible with the new licence. The primary reason for incompatibility is where a mapper has declined (or not yet decided) to sign up to the contributor terms that go with the new licence. As you signed up to OSM in the last 6 months you are already contributing under the new terms anyway. Some locations need more remapping work than others and generally we have been lucky in the west midlands that we haven't had too much to look at. Coventry was an exception however and Rob and others have done sterling work to bring the data into a better state for relicensing come 1st April. There are a number of tools to check for issues with existing data. The one I use most is Geofabrik's OSM Inspector tool [2] When remapping objects you need to remember that the same rules apply to mapping from scratch, ie no use of copyright data etc. Copying the existing data to new objects is not satisfactory either. So limit sources to such information as the OS Opendata products and BING imagery etc. or of course your own survey. Unless you are familiar with what you are doing I'd steer away from using the ODBL=clean tag on existing objects. There is some concern within the wider OSM community that some mappers have been using this tag inappropriately which reduces confidence that the items tagged as such are truly compatible with the new licence. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License [2] http://is.gd/OCEI2G (shortend URL from permalink) -Original Message- From: Big Fat Frog [mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 March 2012 12:19 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Remapping efforts in Coventry Can someone help me on the background to this effort? What are these licensing issues and the tool that is linked, is that a private tool or is is provided for use by anyone? I've only been doing this mapping for 6 months or so and am still trying to get to know what tools are available and what efforts are going on. Cheers BTW I'm based in Redditch, although this w/e I'm down in North London! Jon (bigfatfrog67) On 23/03/2012 20:16, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi All, Over the last few weeks there has been a lot of effort made on remapping Coventry so that it remains in a reasonable state when we shift to the new license/contributor terms. If you can remember the amount of bad orange red ways from a month ago, take a look on [1] to see the fantastic amount of work that has been done. We have had several users contributing, both in replacing v1 roads and generally taking the opportunity to improve the map (e.g. using Bing imagery). I have recently focused on examining the history of many of the 'orange' status roads, and applying the odbl=clean tag when appropriate. Many of these roads were flagged as orange due to highway=unclassified being changed to highway=residential. As this is deemed a trivial edit (as it is clear from Bing which roads are residential), I have marked them as clean (this easily took longer than had I been the original mapper setting the residential tag as I had to examine the history of each way to check for other non-relicensable edits :-( ) I have (99%) completed this task now - Thus any objects still highlighted on [1] will likely need a ground survey as the non-compliant tags can not be determined from Bing. This includes: 1. Places of Worship (marked on OS StreetView but often requires a site visit for the name) 2. A couple of schools (as above) 3. Post Boxes 4. A few roads with restrictions (e.g. maxheight/maxweight) I am away for the following week so will unfortunately not be able to continue ground surveys to collect this information. If anyone has the time then that would be much appreciated, otherwise we can fill in the missing info at a later date :-) Relations -- Some relations (bus routes) may be missing a few roads come April. I have yet to have a look at relations but believe that if you view the relations history (on DeepDiff or JOSM) and it is ok then you can apply the odbl=clean tag to the RELATION (i.e. not the individual roads). Seeing as Curran1980 appears to have recently updated all bus routes after the network changes in February, you could easily argue that they can all be marked as clean (?). Thanks again to everyone helping out with remapping efforts - even if just a few nodes. Cheers, RobJN [1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=- 1.52133lat=52.41458zo om=12overlays=overview,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe _ line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_creat ed_cp,wtfe_line_created http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next social mapping day
Brian, Ian others, I can't for the life of me remember what we decided last month for the next social location (for April 5th). I recall we also talked about a mapping day soon in Hampton in Arden or Henley in Arden (was it the latter?) and I note both (and Tamworth-in Arden) could be the basis of a mapping day to get them filled out with buildings addressing etc. Feedback from all appreciated. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
I added the data as a proposed rail route using the DfT's published info. It's unfortunate that Mapnik renders the name on the route which is why it shows up on the default map. My original Changesets were as below: #1048624024 January, 2012 17:15 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 #1048578824 January, 2012 17:01 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 #1048526324 January, 2012 18:29 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 I certainly consider deleting data that's been added in good faith as vandalism, OSM is not here to argue for or against new construction, we just record fact and the fact today is that the Government has proposed a route for HS2 which has been added to OSM. Those deleting the data would be better going and voicing their disagreement of HS2 with the local MP rather than deleting data from OSM. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Barry Cornelius [mailto:barrycorneliu...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2012 14:30 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap The facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/VictimsofHS2/ says it has been brought to my attention that the DfT have plotted and named HS2 on Open Street Map. Open Street Map is open to anyone to sign up to and edit. If you are feeling angry I recommend logging in and deleting sections of the HS2 route - its very theraputic! Although I'm only a lurker on openstreetmap and talk-gb, my understanding is that the DfT did not do this and that whoever did add HS2 to OSM would probably not want it deleted. If this is right, then maybe somebody who knows more than me should enlighten these people. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
Thanks Tom. I've now added a note on the Facebook page too. Changing the name Tag might quieten things a bit. Better still would be not have Mapnik display the name tag at all (since its not displaying the route otherwise) so we could just move the name to another tag? Thoughts anyone? Let's please not get into the argument as to whether HS2 should be built or not! Has anyone done any edit reverts yet? Cheers Andy From: Tom Chance [mailto:t...@acrewoods.net] Sent: 26 March 2012 14:51 To: Barry Cornelius Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap On 26 March 2012 14:29, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Although I'm only a lurker on openstreetmap and talk-gb, my understanding is that the DfT did not do this and that whoever did add HS2 to OSM would probably not want it deleted. If this is right, then maybe somebody who knows more than me should enlighten these people. I'm trying to explain it all to the group members, it might help if the route were named 'Proposed HS2 route' or similar. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
User Say no to HS was just a rename from the original GMetcalfe. I've now reverted the 5 changesets from these two accounts. I'll look at changing the name tag on the HS2 data when I get a moment to avoid problems in the future. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 26 March 2012 20:01 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap Andy Allan gravitystorm@... writes: If anyone wants to investigate the changesets so far, then these two users are involved, perhaps others too: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GMetcalfe http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HAHS2 And http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Say%20no%20to%20HS2 -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] National Library of Scotland - Out of copyright mapping
Chatted for an hour with Chris Fleet, the senior map curator at NLS on Friday. He's keen to see OSM use the historical mapping they now have online. I've created a wiki page (which Chris has contributed to) [1] that documents those georeferenced maps that are likely to be of most use to mappers in the UK and Ireland. There are other maps which may be of individual interest to mappers, especially those in Scotland, so do check out the links to NLS given on the wiki page. At the moment georeferenced map tiles are being served from the NLS servers. Chris will have some discussions internally before getting back to us regarding possible hosting of some maps on OSM servers. Presently the 1:25,000 coverage is north of Manchester only but the rest of England and Wales should be coming on line in the next couple of months. For now at 1:25,000 scale our own coverage in England and Wales should be used where it is available [2] I've asked Chris if it's possible to increase the available zoom levels by one for both the 7th series and 1:25k. This will help tracing smaller objects in our editing software. At present the zoom limits are those given in the wiki page. The reason that NLS has been able to do the scanning work is that they currently have an assistant funded by Wilbourn Associates of Sheffield. The assistant's time is split between scanning maps that Wilbourn will use commercially for environmental studies and work to get historical mapping online for NLS. In the longer term NLS is not clear if they will have to charge at some point for access of their own API to help pay for hosting. Depends really how popular it is and whether they can distribute hosting. With NLS making these maps available it is worth questioning whether OSM should continue to pursue our own independent resource. We have full coverage at 1-inch to 1 mile scale (NPE and 7th series) as well as around 67% full coverage at 1:25,000 First Edition. Our bottleneck has been the cost of scanning. We now have scanning costs as list below (use of a brand new Contex Scanner using our own labour) that make it potentially feasible plus the offer of free access to a scanner in Scotland. The benefit of the former is that the facility is 30mins from where most of the map sheets are currently stored (with me). Moving the sheets back up to Scotland is an option but less flexible considering we have around 1500 sheets to scan right now (and may grow). I have looked at second hand scanners but availability is like hens teeth and they are generally very bulky or heavy and often running on old SCSI interfaces which is less ideal. As a comparison, a new A0 scanner to the appropriate spec will cost around £7,500. Scanning on a Contex HD 3630 (our labour) 1-200 scans - £ 1.50 per scan 201 - 500 scans - £ 1.35 per scan 501 + - £ 0.95 per scan Add VAT to all of the above. I'd welcome thoughts on whether it's worth OSM scanning what we have for the longer term benefit of OSM. At the moment this is specifically the full set of 7th series 1-inch flat sheets (under the control of Steve Chilton) and the large number of 1:25,000 2.5 inch to 1 mile flat sheets I have been managing. If still worth it then whether we should seek to raise say £2000 to cover the full cost of scanning now. I'm worried if we try to do it piecemeal it will just never happen because of the amount of labour time involved in doing the scanning, rectifying each sheet and making the sheets available. If we did it as a one off project with those interested getting involved it would be much easier. Several people have offered their support in the past (time and funds) so it is certainly possible to think of doing it ourselves if the will is still there. Would be great to have feedback on NLS and our own options. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Provisional/First_Edition ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] No attribution on osm.org?
From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 09 March 2012 14:17 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] No attribution on osm.org? Andrew Ayre wrote: I can't imagine why the majority wouldn't agree on improving attribution. I think the attribution is great as it is. There's a whacking great big OSM logo and a big Copyright licence link that leads to a more cogent and helpful explanation of the licence than anything found elsewhere. I'm not sure what more you might want - a looped .wav of Brian Blessed shouting OPPPNSTRETMP and reading out every contributor's name? That would be awesome, so long as it doesn't repeat with ever tile delivered ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOicbYFq4C0 Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011?
http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ is the best method of checking imagery date Cheers Andy From: Jason Cunningham [mailto:jamicu...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 March 2012 13:26 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery update? using photo's from late 2011? I've just noticed an update to Bing imagery in the UK. Area I was looking at was Torbay, Devon. [link http://binged.it/yq8NYY ]. The updates images are not available at full zoom for some reason, so by zooming all the way in you can see the previous images. Finding it hard to give a date to the images, but I think for Torbay they were taken in late summer 2011. I've spotted land changes in images for South London that indicate a recent imagery update there. Has this happened across the UK? Apologies is this info has already come up in the list. Jason ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] gritting _route
Looks like a typo to me. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:m...@milliams.com] Sent: 07 March 2012 13:10 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] gritting _route Hi all, In the process of doing some remapping around Coventry, I've noticed a strange tag. I'm seeing lots of roads with the key gritting _route (note the space between the 'g' and the '_'). Looking at taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gritting%20_route) I see that this is quite widespread. I assume that this is an accidental mispelling which has been copy/pasted around but before I go around fixing them all I wanted to check. Should I change all these (in the WM area) to gritting_route or should I leave them? Cheers, Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Request from National Library of Scotland concerning OS 7th Series
Bob,
Can you pass my email to Christopher Fleet please. I’ll be able to co-ordinate
regarding OSM OOC mapping and what NLS now have available.
Cheers
Andy
From: Bob Kerr [mailto:openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 05 March 2012 12:15
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Request from National Library of Scotland concerning OS 7th
Series
Hi,
I have been talking with Cristopher Fleet from the National Library of
Scotland. He is keen to promote the mapping services of the library to the
Openstreetmap Community and other groups that are interested. They have set up
various services including the OS 7th Series which is overlayed with a
transparent OSM Layer.
see
http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/
Areas in Scotland, England and Wales are now available
Cristopher would like to make sure that the WMS layer is compatible with JOSM
so that future releases of data is available to us
From his e-mail
- - - - - - - - - -
The Ordnance Survey One-Inch to the mile Seventh Series of Great Britain
(1952-1961) is available as individual sheets at
http://maps.nls.uk/os/one-inch-seventh-series/index.html and as a georeferenced
layer athttp://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/ (in the left hand drop-down list,
choose “Great Britain – OS One Inch, 1955-61” ).
The MapTiler tileset is at:
http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/seventh/${z}/${x}/${y}.png
http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/seventh/$%7bz%7d/$%7bx%7d/$%7by%7d.png
The Web Map Service is at:
http://geo.nls.uk/cgi-bin/mapserv.exe?map=e:\\mapdata2\\os\\seventh\\mapserver.map
http://geo.nls.uk/cgi-bin/mapserv.exe?map=e:\\mapdata2\\os\\seventh\\mapserver.map;
These Seventh Series maps have been georeferenced by the National Library of
Scotland, with generous funding from Wilbourn Associates - further details at
http://geo.nls.uk/partners/wilbourn/
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Cristopher has also posted this information on the OSM Wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/7th_Series#National_Library_of_Scotland_Seventh_Series_mosaic
Unfortunately TimSC who was maintaining the 7th Series for OSM has decided not
to contribute further to OSM although I am not sure if he is still interested
in maintaining the 7th series WMS for other
projects.
Is there anyone available to contact Cristopher concerning the National Library
of Scotland service?
If there is could you contact him on the E-mail address posted on the wiki
(reference number 6) or through me.
The folks at the NLS are really excellent and It would be very beneficial for
us and them to get more interaction
going
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Bob
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[Talk-GB] Social
I'll be at the social tomorrow night. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Brian? Anyone else? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK
If you refer to old OS maps the location of the place name seems most often to be positioned in relation to certain specific features. Where there is a parish church they seem to use that, where not its often the post office or the village pub, if none of these are present then some central other communal feature of the hamlet for instance. Of course this could just be a be cartographic approach taken by the OS. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: 24 February 2012 09:20 To: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK kenneth gonsalves wrote: Can some one advise me of the official policy for locating the centre of towns in the UK, i.e. the spot on the map for a point representing the town and used as the Zero Point for measuring distances to other towns. in India it is usually the head post office. In the UK nowadays you will be lucky to find a post office at all ... ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] New OOC OS 1:25,000 tiles (beta)
Thanks to Grant there is now a new beta version of the Out-Of-Copyright OS 1:25,000 mapping available currently viewable at http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=6lat=54.46526lon=-2.50923layers=00B0 (note this address may change in the future). The process used is different from that currently visible at ooc.openstreetmap.org in that the maps are tiled and delivered by MapServer on the fly which means that the task of rectifying and tiling each map sheet isn't required, instead MapServer uses the georeferenced original TIFF scans. The main benefit to users now is that the whole of each map sheet is visible (the old method sliced off edge tiles for isolated sheets during the tiling process). I've added info for JOSM users on the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Provisional/First_Edition#JOSM). It needs testing in Potlatch and Merkartor . Note that the tiles are now png rather than jpg if you are simply making a server name change in the editor settings. The main benefit in the longer term is that the vast number of maps sheets donated by Glasgow University will be available much more quickly once they have been scanned. Mapserver has been set up to serve index colour tiles (to maintain performance) which may result in some sheets not being as colour rich as with the old tiles. This will be improved as new scans come online. To check out what the new ones should look like pan over to sheet TG41 on the Norfolk coast, especially in contrast to TG40 to the south of it. If you click the layer tab from the faffy map view you will also note that the latest OS Streetview and the Surrey County Air Survey are also being served by MapServer in the same way. Bear in mind that this instance of MapServer is still very much in testing mode so the facility may go offline at times. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OOC map scanning
Brief update on map scanning. You may recall that we were donated a large number of flat maps by Glasgow Uni. They are mix of 1:25,000 1st and 2nd edition and 7th series 1 ordnance survey maps. Many are different print editions which is interesting in itself to see change with time. I have also received from Australia some additional maps of the south Atlantic and a few other areas to add to the collection. Not all sheets are out of copyright yet (the second series 1:25k are generally not OOC for another 10 years or more for instance) the plenty are. Scanning such a large quantity (especially if the collection grows) would be an expensive process (I did a test run with a commercial company last year and it wasn't a good experience based on both quality and anticipated cost) and so I've been investigating other options. I had found a rental company with a suitable A0 drum scanner model for pretty low weekend cost but this is not now available so I'm discussing with others and specifically a supplier of scanners who may be able to help, either through short term rental or use of their facilities for short periods when their demonstration scanners are not in use. I'm waiting for this company to receive a new demonstration scanner in the next couple of weeks so that I can compare final scan quality between a CAD/GIS type scanner and a graphics alternative. If we can get away with the former the costs will be a lot lower. Any testing will also help in deciding if purchase of a second hand (or new I guess - mega bucks) scanner would be the longer term way to go. Will keep you posted. Oh, and thanks to those who have offered support of this already. We will probably need more once I have a handle on the full picture but it's a great start. Do get in touch if you have any comments or input. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!
Peter, Couple of comments on your proposals. 1. I've assumed the speeds quoted are the design line speeds. The actual train speeds will depend on the equipment eventually used and spec'd out so I can see that the 400kph might be aspirational in reality. 2. I'd imagine that where the route runs on existing alignment the track for HS2 will be specific for that alone and that everything else will be pushed perhaps to the slow line. Worth checking the detail. As I said also, the main line we have been given is presumably just the trackbed centreline.] Cheers Andy From: petermille...@gmail.com [mailto:petermille...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Miller Sent: 25 January 2012 18:06 To: Andy Robinson Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! On 24 January 2012 20:29, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Fixed now (I hope!). Changeset for the HS2 data is No. 10485263 and relation number is 1986960. Neat! Thanks Andy. I am going to run up the line making a few tweeks. In particular: 1) Add 'proposed=rail' along all elements (to complement the rail=proposed tag) 2) Add a 'proposed:maxspeed=225/250/400' etc based on the info in the 'design_line_speed' tag. 3) Merge the ways (and relation) with existing tracks where HS2 is 100% on top of an existing track alignment which it is going to replace. This certainly appears to be what is planned for part of the route out of London - I will check the docn first. Regards, Peter Cheers Andy From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2012 18:21 To: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! Please note that it looks like I've managed to upload the data twice (at least some of it anyway). I'll revert and sort. Cheers Andy From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2012 17:19 To: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! Proposed HS2 route has been added to OSM under changesets 10485788 [1] 10486240[2]. I've also added all the ways to a relation 1986944 [3] All data added is separate for any other data in OSM. Ie its not connected to any other existing ways. Note that the data provided by DfT appears to be the centreline for the main runs but at junctions separates out to individual tracks. There is a little overlap in these locations and I have not attempted to join the former with the latter. I've also not simplified any ways (additional nodes are only on curves anyway). Tag mapping should be logical. Where both east and west sides have the same construction form (eg cutting) then I have added the appropriate tag. Where the sides differ I have not but the different side designations have been kept throughout (though tag values have been changed to fit better with our way of tagging things). For those interested in the process I took the shp file and used ogr2osm to convert it to an osm file with the script referring to a translation file to map the shp file attributes to osm tags. There was some node duplication and other minor unconnected way issues with the data which I cleaned up manually in JOSM before uploading. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10485788 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10486240 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1986944 From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 22:39 To: 'Peter Miller'; 'David Earl' Cc: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! I'm separating out the various sections (cutting, tunnel etc) to separate shape files and converting to lat/lon. I'll have a play with it in JOSM once done. I'm splitting with whatever the west side attribute is (the east side may be different where the natural ground slopes etc). I'll put all the various files on dev once I'm done. Cheers Andy From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 20:59 To: David Earl Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! On 23 January 2012 20:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 23/01/2012 20:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Good to see the data being released, But I don't believe this proposed route should yet be added to OSM. You'll regularly here the phrase map what's on the ground, but we all(?) accept upcoming changes to what's on the ground can be mapped, and these upcoming changes to the land are mapped using the proposed tag (then construction tag). By that reasoning we wouldn't map boundaries, as these don't appear on the ground, they are entirely abstract concepts. The point here is that this is *helpful geographical information*. If the proposal goes away or changes, remove the data. Let's be pragmatic here. I agree that one should not add every aspirational route, however this is much
Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!
Fixed now (I hope!). Changeset for the HS2 data is No. 10485263 and relation number is 1986960. Cheers Andy From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2012 18:21 To: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! Please note that it looks like I've managed to upload the data twice (at least some of it anyway). I'll revert and sort. Cheers Andy From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2012 17:19 To: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! Proposed HS2 route has been added to OSM under changesets 10485788 [1] 10486240[2]. I've also added all the ways to a relation 1986944 [3] All data added is separate for any other data in OSM. Ie its not connected to any other existing ways. Note that the data provided by DfT appears to be the centreline for the main runs but at junctions separates out to individual tracks. There is a little overlap in these locations and I have not attempted to join the former with the latter. I've also not simplified any ways (additional nodes are only on curves anyway). Tag mapping should be logical. Where both east and west sides have the same construction form (eg cutting) then I have added the appropriate tag. Where the sides differ I have not but the different side designations have been kept throughout (though tag values have been changed to fit better with our way of tagging things). For those interested in the process I took the shp file and used ogr2osm to convert it to an osm file with the script referring to a translation file to map the shp file attributes to osm tags. There was some node duplication and other minor unconnected way issues with the data which I cleaned up manually in JOSM before uploading. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10485788 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10486240 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1986944 From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 22:39 To: 'Peter Miller'; 'David Earl' Cc: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! I'm separating out the various sections (cutting, tunnel etc) to separate shape files and converting to lat/lon. I'll have a play with it in JOSM once done. I'm splitting with whatever the west side attribute is (the east side may be different where the natural ground slopes etc). I'll put all the various files on dev once I'm done. Cheers Andy From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 20:59 To: David Earl Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! On 23 January 2012 20:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 23/01/2012 20:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Good to see the data being released, But I don't believe this proposed route should yet be added to OSM. You'll regularly here the phrase map what's on the ground, but we all(?) accept upcoming changes to what's on the ground can be mapped, and these upcoming changes to the land are mapped using the proposed tag (then construction tag). By that reasoning we wouldn't map boundaries, as these don't appear on the ground, they are entirely abstract concepts. The point here is that this is *helpful geographical information*. If the proposal goes away or changes, remove the data. Let's be pragmatic here. I agree that one should not add every aspirational route, however this is much more than an aspiration and there is considerable support for it from official sources. I believe we should indeed add transport proposals where they have committed funding and official firm support. We should of course tag is as 'proposed'. If the project goes ahead we change it to 'consturction', if it goes cold then we delete it. Fyi, I did just that on the Tintewhistle bypass to the east of Manchester. I added it when it was funded and and in the HA plans and then removed it when the public inquiry collapsed a while later. It is of course up to map rendering script to determine if it is appropriate render 'proposed' transport schemes and this will depend on the use to which it is to be put. Mapquest probably wouldn't show them (because mapquest are primarily providing maps for the traveler. OSM Mapnik will probably show it because it tries to map almost everything. Other mapping outlets can make their own decision. Good news re rendering HS2 for use in Potlatch. One suggestion... I notice that the shape file contains details of cuttings, embankments, bridges (and viaducts) and tunnels. Could you present that using distinct colours or textures or something? It is tagged separately for each side of the route, ie eastside=cutting. Regards, Peter We also seem to mark routes of old railways for which there is no evidence on the ground. (Quite why, I don't know, and this raises the question
Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!
I've placed the files at http://blackadder.dev.openstreetmap.org/hs2/ but can't get working in Potlatch at the moment. Someone else might check. Cheers Andy From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 17:38 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! We had a discussion recently about getting a usable source of route data for HS2. I am pleased to say that it is on data.gov.uk and is available on an OGL license. http://data.gov.uk/dataset/hs2-gis-route Can we get to use this as a backdrop in Potlatch or JOSM to get the route added? Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!
I'm separating out the various sections (cutting, tunnel etc) to separate shape files and converting to lat/lon. I'll have a play with it in JOSM once done. I'm splitting with whatever the west side attribute is (the east side may be different where the natural ground slopes etc). I'll put all the various files on dev once I'm done. Cheers Andy From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 20:59 To: David Earl Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data! On 23 January 2012 20:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 23/01/2012 20:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Good to see the data being released, But I don't believe this proposed route should yet be added to OSM. You'll regularly here the phrase map what's on the ground, but we all(?) accept upcoming changes to what's on the ground can be mapped, and these upcoming changes to the land are mapped using the proposed tag (then construction tag). By that reasoning we wouldn't map boundaries, as these don't appear on the ground, they are entirely abstract concepts. The point here is that this is *helpful geographical information*. If the proposal goes away or changes, remove the data. Let's be pragmatic here. I agree that one should not add every aspirational route, however this is much more than an aspiration and there is considerable support for it from official sources. I believe we should indeed add transport proposals where they have committed funding and official firm support. We should of course tag is as 'proposed'. If the project goes ahead we change it to 'consturction', if it goes cold then we delete it. Fyi, I did just that on the Tintewhistle bypass to the east of Manchester. I added it when it was funded and and in the HA plans and then removed it when the public inquiry collapsed a while later. It is of course up to map rendering script to determine if it is appropriate render 'proposed' transport schemes and this will depend on the use to which it is to be put. Mapquest probably wouldn't show them (because mapquest are primarily providing maps for the traveler. OSM Mapnik will probably show it because it tries to map almost everything. Other mapping outlets can make their own decision. Good news re rendering HS2 for use in Potlatch. One suggestion... I notice that the shape file contains details of cuttings, embankments, bridges (and viaducts) and tunnels. Could you present that using distinct colours or textures or something? It is tagged separately for each side of the route, ie eastside=cutting. Regards, Peter We also seem to mark routes of old railways for which there is no evidence on the ground. (Quite why, I don't know, and this raises the question again of representing any historical data, but that was discussed at length recently). David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] HS2 route
Latest HS2 announcement today means that there will be a lot of discussion about the route (generally and specific locations) over the coming years. Currently the new route plans [2] have the usual OS copyright notice. What we need is the bare bones of the proposed infrastructure released under the open government licence. Any ideas or avenues for achieving that? I'm not suggesting we rush to put the proposed route into OSM but it would be nice to be able to do so when the time is ripe. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16485263 [2] http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/hs2-maps-20120110/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] GPS track files Needed ( East Midlands preference)
Chris, Hope you make a speedy recovery. Your best bet would be to do some tracing of details from BING imagery. Pick an area you know and add buildings and other information. You can also use the imagery to improve the positioning and shape of roads. Best of luck, Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Dunne [mailto:o...@cdunne.org.uk] Sent: 03 January 2012 23:04 To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] GPS track files Needed ( East Midlands preference) Hi All, Since I'm currently in hospital recovering from an acident I thought it would be good to spend time editing OSM. I have a laptop and WiFi but am not very mobile at present. Therefore can edit OSM based on others GPS track files if I'm told the type of right of way etc I'm based in Leicestershire so East Midlands would take preference.. Thanks Chris ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Jan social
Thursday 5th Jan is our next regular social. Looks like I can make it so I'll propose the Bull as usual unless it was decided otherwise last month? Anyone else around? I've updated the wiki. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import
Is the version from os.openstreetmap the original? http://os.openstreetmap.org/data/ Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Borbus [mailto:bor...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 December 2011 22:14 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import On 12/12/11 21:49, Jason Cunningham wrote: Original release of Vectormap had more detailed water features, but this years release appears to have been dumbed down. If you got them I'd use the first detailed release of water features. Does anyone know where copies of the original release are available? -- Borbus. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Further Detail on Open Data Measures in the Autumn Statement 2011
Has anyone been able to get at any data from the NAG? Page 11 of yesterday's statement says Any user can access data from the National Address Gazetteer for free to initially test, evaluate and develop into new and innovative products. which doesn't exactly leave me thinking the actual data will receive an Open badge any time soon but at present I can't even see how you can achieve anything for testing purposes via the geoplace website or the OS's Addressbase products. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Craig Loftus [mailto:craigloftus+...@googlemail.com] Sent: 30 November 2011 09:33 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] Further Detail on Open Data Measures in the Autumn Statement 2011 As part of Osborne's statement yesterday a document titled Further Detail on Open Data Measures in the Autumn Statement 2011 was released. www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sites/default/files/resources/Further_detail_on_ Open_Data_measures_in_the_Autumn_Statement_2011.pdf Of specific interest to OSM are the sections on the OS and the National Address Gazetteer (p.11). There are more words about the OS being committed to changing its derived data restrictions on Local Authorities' 'Public Rights of Way' data which is not really news. Additionally the OS has also committed to release a set of National Trails in collaboration with Natural England, by April 2013. 2013? What happened to just getting the data out-there? There are quite a few other tit-bits for those interested in Open Data more generally. Particularly the creation of the Data Strategy Board and the Public Data Group. I find it pretty disappointing that these have been announced before we've had the report on the related consultations that closed at the end of last month. Unsurprisingly there is a very strong emphasis on business involvement, finishing with The Government will also consider the advisability of alternative delivery models such as turning any of its member Trading Funds into Companies Act companies. Craig ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network
But which signs are we talking about here? I'd not expect Sustrans Ranger signs to figure in the DfT Traffic signs manual. Cheers Andy From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 November 2011 15:59 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network They're not approved in the signs regs, which I think has jurisdiction. IANAL etc. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Richard Mann wrote: There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up in various places. Not sure which stickers you're referring to, but IIRC Sustrans 'Ranger' stickers are approved for use by almost all highway authorities in England, including Oxfordshire. (The two I'm unsure about are Leicestershire and North Yorkshire but please don't quote me on that!) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/LCN-Local-Cycle-Network-tp7039537p7047249.ht ml Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] 500K registered users
Have updated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Database_Statistics_-_Graphical 500k OSM user signups is quite a milestone in the project. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network
Works for me Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 28 November 2011 17:11 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network Hello all, We seem to be ending up with wildly conflicting use of 'lcn=yes', 'lcn_ref=*', and similar tags across Britain. In London, these tags are used as you would expect - to map the signposted London Cycle Network. It's pretty much in keeping with ncn= and rcn= tagging. In Worcester, there's an official city network with some numbered routes, others with symbols (e.g. purple diamond). These are not fully mapped yet, but where they are, they're tagged with lcn tags. In Cambridge, the official city network isn't numbered, but it is coherently and clearly signed. These routes are also tagged using lcn tags as you'd expect. Nottingham and Wisbech seem to be the same. So far so good. But there also appear to be lots of rather more confusing uses of the tag. In some places, we have large-scale leisure routes tagged as lcn. The Chiltern Cycleway and Round Berkshire Cycleway are two examples that spring to mind. In others, we have networks of local leisure routes tagged as lcn (e.g. Warwickshire - contrast with Wales where rcn= is used for the Wales Cycle Breaks routes). In yet others, we have small isolated rural routes or links tagged as lcn. On occasion people tag a selection of roads or paths as LCN just to get them to render as bike-friendly on OCM, when in fact there's nothing particularly networky or even route-y about them. There are also a couple of towns where local cyclists have devised their own networks and tagged them as 'lcn', even though there's little or no on-the- ground evidence. In some cases the cyclists are in active discussions with the transport authority to get this network adopted, but in others it may be more wistful. Sites like CycleStreets, BikeHike, and OpenCycleMap, apps like CycleStreets and Bike Hub, and Garmin maps mean that OSM is probably now the most- used cycle map of Britain. We have a responsibility to make it accurate, consistent, and readily understood. I would like to propose that: - Local cycle networks with objective, on-the-ground evidence (usually signposts) are tagged as lcn=yes (and lcn_ref=..., lcn_name=..., or the relations equivalent) as at present. - Cycle networks that are not significantly verifiable on the ground, but are proposed for official adoption and are under active discussion with the transport authority, are tagged as lcn=proposed. - Large-scale (non-NCN) leisure routes and county-wide networks are moved to rcn=, to accord with the similar routes already tagged as such (e.g. National Byway and light-blue-number routes). - Non-network routes are not tagged as lcn=, but may of course be tagged as route=bicycle (perhaps as a relation). Thoughts? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Beta test of cycling date merge-tool
Andy, Just some observations from Birmingham that may be useful. I'm assuming that you have been able to look at the dft data to see how relevant it is? In working with Birmingham City Council (BCC) on cycle parking recently I had access to three lists of cycle parking points. The very incomplete BCC asset register list, the dft list and our own OSM list. As a stab we believe the final number of locations in the city will be about 750 (500+ known thus far). The BCC list had about 60% of this possible total, the dft list 40% and not all necessarily the same as BCC (for example most stands on Network Rail land were not included in BCC list), and OSM which had less than the other two but contained many locations that are in neither of the BCC or dft data sets. The BCC and dft data had the number of stands for parking rather than the number of spaces for bikes. The BCC set included parking for motorcycles. The three data sets all have different co-ordinates for the same parking provision. The BCC data is definitely OS based, the dft set I believe is not, though can't be sure, but are generally very close to the BCC locations though not the same. In verifying we have been revisiting each location to get a more precise positioning and thus OSM is now the most reliable. You can follow the progress of mapping the Birmingham cycle parking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham/Bicycle_Parking Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 November 2011 09:21 To: Talk-GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Beta test of cycling date merge-tool Hi All, I previously discussed[1] what our plans were with regards to the cycling data that is coming out of the DfT. It's now got to the stage where I'm soliciting beta testing and feedback on the approach. The project has its own page on the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DfT_Cycling_Data_2011 The demo of both the data, and the merging functionality built into p2, is available at http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/cnxc-demo/ I've got my own list of improvements that I'm hoping to make to potlatch, but I'd really like to hear your views too! Cheers, Andy [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011- October/012256.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Microbreweries in Birmingham?
Mike tagged the buildings but I don't know if he moved the tags from a previous node or not. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 November 2011 19:01 To: Andy Mabbett Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Microbreweries in Birmingham? Who tagged them ? perhaps it might be wise to ask them regds brian On 15 November 2011 16:50, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: We have two pubs in Witton, each tagged as microbreweries: The Yew Tree: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/81601344 The Cap n Gown: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/82106192 I don't think either are; but thought it best to ask here before de-tagging them as such, in case I'm mistaken. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes
Brian, Re Coventry, yes it would be nice to see some enthusiasm from there. Maybe we should prod a few that are active currently? Re Dudley, Ill see if I can get the contact details of the appropriate person. Re Sandwell, Im in contact. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 November 2011 11:12 To: Christoph Böhme Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes Hi Christoph Thanks for this - We have Coventry data but can't get much enthusiasm from the Coventry mappers to complete this. We're still to get Dudley - who wants to approach them? Sandwell routes seem to appear at a different zoom level to the rest? Do we just have to wait for the rendering engine to catch up? Andy Mabbett - I think we just assume that everyone realises that the motorways get gritted - if you start adding them where do you finish? the UK motorway network is huge! Other major routes also gritted by the HA? Do you want to volunteer? ;-). Andy R - I think your approach to Sandwell is the the best- sit down around the map and correct it. Who's informing our contact at Sandwell about progress? Regards Brian 2011/11/13 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net Hi all I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north. Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough to remember which councils made their data available already and what has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting routes in Coventry were already in the database. Best Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle: Hi everyone We're making great progress with over half the routes now completed. Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-) It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments and anything else you see along the route Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes
Great work Christoph, thanks. Sandwell was the area which we were working on this last week which is well inside you defined area. I'm sure Brian can respond on the other points. Hope all is well with you Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net] Sent: 13 November 2011 22:24 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes Hi all I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north. Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough to remember which councils made their data available already and what has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting routes in Coventry were already in the database. Best Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle: Hi everyone We're making great progress with over half the routes now completed. Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-) It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments and anything else you see along the route Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding administrative boundaries to OSM Data Layer in JOSM
It would only appear as a coloured area if the rendering coloured it so. The standard Mapnik output only puts a name on boundaries (not sure if it even renders parish ones or not). There are no true area features in OSM, just a selection of polylines (Ways) that end to end create one. For things like boundaries some folks will group all the polyline items into a Relation so that they have a container to keep all the split sections in. This isn't vital though providing the boundary has the same tags on it all the way around. One benefit of a relation though is that you can reuse sections of boundary Way which are also part of some other boundary where they coincide. This removes the need to create ways on top of ways (shared nodes). For colouring of areas for your own needs a purpose rendering would be needed. Hope this is helpful. Other may have further suggestions as there is no hard and fast method of achieving the same end. Cheers Andy From: Bob Hawkins [mailto:bobhawk...@waitrose.com] Sent: 11 November 2011 08:18 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Adding administrative boundaries to OSM Data Layer in JOSM I posted the following on the OSM Help Forum yesterday: I have selected civil parish boundaries from OS Boundary-Line for my area of South Oxfordshire, converted them to WGS84 and created a .osm file. These boundaries are polygons, yet the boundaries in OSM that I see are lines. From some articles I have read, I assume that the OS boundaries are merged with the OSM Data Layer in JOSM and adjusted if necessary to join to existing boundaries or deleted where they are coincident, but they are not completely redrawn. How, then, is the apparent conversion from polygon to line achieved? Frederik Ramm has replied, informing me to split ways. I had done that and although the ways are split, the polygon still appears to retain its qualities: moving the single way that was split still takes the adjacent ways with it, and selecting any of the other ways still highlights the polygon area. It does not revert to a series of lines, or polyline. Copying the selection to a new layer, the boundary retains its infill, so I would imagine that would display as a coloured area if it was uploaded to OSM. Is there something I am missing here? Bob Hawkins ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Coventry shared space
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b016yfqv/Midlands_Today_09_11_2011/ Only available till 7pm this evening Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Midland metro extension - Centro video
For those that are not aware of the alignment. http://www.centro.org.uk/metro/futureroutes.aspx Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes
Mike, It's possible post of the routes start or use part of the Black Country New Road. As Brian says, just add your route number in with the others. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2011 22:19 To: 'Andy Mabbett' Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes Decided to try my hand at gritting routes, picked route 3. Everything going(more or less smoothly until I arrived at Black Country New Road, and found I was overlaying Black Adders route 2 data. Is this sort of duplication normal? Miked29 -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 31 October 2011 17:41 To: Brian Prangle Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes I've now recieved eight driver routes for Sandwell MBC's gritting routes, uploaded them to Google Docs, and posted a link to them, from the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Sandwell_Gritting On 17 October 2011 16:34, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: There is now a section on Sandwell's gritting routes on the mappamercia wiki page where you can sign up to complete a route, with weblinks to PDF files describing the various routes. It's good fun and also an opportunity to visit areas that haven't been touched for some time allowing us to realign roads with bing aerial imagery and relpace node POIs with building POIs etc -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4599 - Release Date: 11/05/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Size - Importance of features - (Was Drinking Map of UK)
I personally try very hard to eliminate subjective tagging and often there is a solution can be found that is not. For example, retail units are normally distinguished (within the retail trade) by the area size. Easy enough to calculate approx. area from the OSM data so no real need to add anything extra. Cheers Andy From: Graham Jones [mailto:grahamjones...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 November 2011 15:12 To: Craig Loftus Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Size - Importance of features - (Was Drinking Map of UK) Thanks Craig, I think you are right - we can move the beer map discussion to the wiki. There is just one point I wanted to raise, which is more generic. My main remaining concern is the invention of the industry key. The issue we have here is trying to distinguish between the relative sizes of features (in this case breweries), which we are proposing to do by having 'craft=' or 'industry=' tags depending on the size. I have a similar issue with other features - for example 'shop=supermarket' can cover a huge range of things from a single shop unit sized one, to a huge hypermarket - when producing a map you may want to give preference to the large, more significant ones so that these always appear, and the smaller ones only appear at lower zoom level, when there is enough space on the image. You get the same thing with historic features - you might want the big abbeys and castles to appear at low zoom levels and not be obscured by individual war memorials. Therefore I wonder if another generic tag should be used to help with these things - for highways we use 'layer', but I think something else would be useful for other features a 'significance', 'size', or 'importance' value - probably a number like 'layer'. This will inevitably be subjective, but the wiki page for the feature could have some guidance on how to define the value. I wondered what anyone else thought of this, or if something similar is already used in some places that I have not found? -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4599 - Release Date: 11/05/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thusday meet
Should be able to make the Bull on Thursday. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 31 October 2011 16:06 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thusday meet Is anyone up for the social gathering on Thursday? I have marked The Bull venue in provisionally on Mappa Mercia, they do have good wi-fi access, beer and food. What more do we need? Miked ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4586 - Release Date: 10/31/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote Sent: 30 October 2011 20:43 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Brian Prangle wrote: what do you call places where they make cider/perry? awesome I was going to suggest under pressure Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington
Andy, I was in there in Sept last year and added what I could see at the time (roads). Some of the properties were up. Needs a new survey. We don't have the road names yet either. I'll cover next time I'm passing, its on my radar. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 12:38 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Anotehr n development: Gerge Road, Edrington I noticed at the weekend (but was driving with passengers, so couldn't stop), that the former MEB site on George Road, Erdington: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.51533lon=- 1.86205zoom=16layers=M has been developed and now contains new side-roads with residential premises. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
Am I missing something? That's the same George Road development? (Northcote). If so then I'm not seeing any changes other than my edits from last September. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 14:29 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes
My apologies Philip. I'd cut and pasted the co-ords from your post wrongly and my map browser was having none of it J Cheers Andy From: Philip John [mailto:p...@philipjohn.co.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 16:14 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes @Ed - Thanks, I think I'll stick with highway=path. Although the developers drawings show some sort of cycling utopia there's nothing to suggest they are especially cycle routes. @Andy - ;) @Andy R - George Road? Nope, sorry! This is the City Wharf development in Lichfield, off Cherry Orchard. Thanks! Phil On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something? That's the same George Road development? (Northcote). If so then I'm not seeing any changes other than my edits from last September. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 25 October 2011 14:29 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feedback on first unassisted changes On 25 October 2011 13:40, Philip John p...@philipjohn.co.uk wrote: Hi all, I've just uploaded a bunch of changes to expand on some I made with Andy Mabbett's assistance (thanks Andy) many moons ago. *falls off chair* They are all based on the development at 52.6799280, -1.8239728 and as this is the first time I've performed any edits I'd appreciate any feedback you have (if you have time to look over them). Looks good to me. If I'm on the right track I have a couple of GPS traces to add on too. JFDI! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk] Map tiles in Chrome
I get this problem too, seems to stick completely even over a day or two until I clear the relevant cached data. Then it seems to be ok for me. As you say, seems to be a bigger issue at higher zoom. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com] Sent: 21 October 2011 14:58 To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Map tiles in Chrome I'm very puzzled by Chrome's behaviour with respect to the main Mapnik map tiles. When I'm working on an area, it is very common for a tile not to visibly update after refreshing after uploading some changes. Some do, some don't, especially at high zoom levels When I do a status on the tile, it is clear it has been re-rendered. It's not that it is stuck in a rendering queue - the renderer has finished. If I clear the Chrome cache, it still doesn't drop the old rendering. If I drop the Chrome cache and restart Chrome it still doesn't let go. The only way I have found that is certain to display the new tile is: 1. Right Click on the tile in the home page and choose 'Show image in now tab' 2. Go to the new tab, and hard refresh (CTRL+F5) 3. Restart chrome (a hard refresh or a click on Permalink after step 2 isn't sufficient). So what's going on? If the cache is empty, is the server really serving an old tile? Is there some proxying going on somewhere (there's no explicit proxies)? Why is it random which tiles update? More to the point, why should I need to do anything with the cache/refreshing etc. Why isn't the date handling from the server telling Chrome the tile is out of date? I see the headers have an expiry date with the tile, but the old tile seems to persist even beyond that. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4569 - Release Date: 10/23/11 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] 1:25,000 OOC OS maps - Update
I'd like to organise a scanning party. One weekend soon. Need to raise about £200ish to rent the large scanner and then with a few others to create a good workflow spend a couple of days one weekend scanning all the sheets. If anyone is interested in helping let me know and I'll propose some dates. After that my plan would be to get the scans up on the OSM dev box and have someone help with a little extra code to help with the rectification process. This should help speed everything up. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] Sent: 22 October 2011 14:51 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: Andy Robinson Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] 1:25,000 OOC OS maps - Update Just catching up so a late posting. Thanks to Andy and Mike for this. Even with Bing imagery and OS OpenData, the 1:25k series are a great source of local names in rural areas and of historic features, (archeological sites, tumuli, stone rings, battle fields, roman roads, old mining sites and more) for a historical map of the UK that is slowly evolving thanks to Graham Jones. My personal wish-list to see soon: anything up the northern Pennines and Yorkshire, Durham mining areas. Mike On 27/08/2011 20:41, Andy Robinson wrote: As many may know I've been collecting OS 1:25k provisional edition map sheets for the last few years. I'd got to around a third of the set of 2027 sheets before the summer. As a result of a very generous donation from the University of Glasgow (Thanks go to Mike Shand) I now have 66% of the full set. In addition I have many different sheet editions for the north of the country and Scotland and a great many duplicates, some of which will be sold to help raise funds to secure the remaining 1/3rd of the set that are still needed for full coverage. I've now finished cataloguing the provisional series maps from Glasgow, over 1850 sheets in all, and you can find the updated table and graphical chart showing coverage from the links at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Provisional/First_Edition The next job will be to restart rectification and tiling to enable their use in the OSM editing tools and other purposes. Because of the sudden influx I'm looking at possibilities of scanning off site and distributing the rectification process, all suggestions and offers on that would be most appreciated. Ping me if you have any questions or have an area of coverage you would particularly like to see available soon. You can see the current tiled sheets at: http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=6lat=53.96418lon=- 3.92646layers= 000B0 Cheers Andy - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4567 - Release Date: 10/22/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK cities
IMO we should tag cities and towns as they are designated here and add a population if possible to satisfy those that want to render places by population size. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk] Sent: 17 October 2011 10:48 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] UK cities I was watching the quiz show Holding out for a Hero last night on TV and one of the questions was how many cities are in the UK. The correct answer out of 26, 46 and 66 was 66. Sorry for the spoiler if anyone had recorded it to watch later and couldn't have guessed. However I idly wondered at the time how accurately UK cities are mapped. This morning, with the help of a Geofabrik British Isles extract and a .poly file I created moments before finding the existing UK one on the Cloudmade website, I can confirm that we have 69. After finding an official list on a UK Gov website[1] and comparing: We are missing: Chichester, Lichfield, Ripon, Salford, St David's, Stoke-on- Trent, and Westminster We have extra: Bournemouth, Chelmsford, Colchester, Ipswich, Jedburgh, Middlesborough, Milton Keynes, Northampton, Reading, and Swindon I have a feeling that some of the extra ones have been tagged as cities for the renderer as rendering of cities doesn't take into account area (of a node?) or population as far as I know. Having said that, the Key:place wiki page[2] seems to suggest that the convention varies by countries with suggested tagging based on population for those countries that haven't established a convention. In other word it fudges the issue because mappers disagree. Map Features[3] suggests Urban settlement of national importance as defined by national/state/provincial government. May be state capital, provincial capital or center of a metropolitan statistical area. Often over 100,000 people, which leans towards using official city definitions in countries where those exist. So currently, if someone wants a list of UK cities from OSM, they can't get it by using osmosis to extract place=city nodes. Or they can, but they would find our data to be wrong. So, should we correct the tagging of cities in the UK so people can extract correct information? Discuss... Ed [1] http://is.gd/1dUxfR [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2090/4551 - Release Date: 10/14/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] FW: A16 (A1073) Eye bypass
I Should have sent this to talk-gb me thinks -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 October 2011 12:17 To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: A16 (A1073) Eye bypass According to my Civil Engineering magazine the long delayed final section of new A16 is due to open this Sunday. Perhaps someone in the area can verify and update OSM next week? http://osm.org/go/eu7zzTV Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation
Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] wrote: Sent: 08 October 2011 20:12 To: 'Andrew Guertin'; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation -Original Message- From: Andrew Guertin [mailto:andrew.guer...@uvm.edu] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation On 10/07/2011 11:40 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: [...] Any solution should probably apply to relations as well as nodes (or instead of nodes, if I had my way). See also http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/131585141 with a creation date of 2011-09-28. (Was this deleted and recreated? Wikipedia appears to have a screenshot of it, but their image is from February...) Should the entire city be tagged with landuse=residential like it currently is? Arguably only those areas that are actually residential of course should only have the residential tag but I get what you mean. If at the moment there is a surrounding way with that tag then I'd not suggest to change it until others get around to tagging landuse more accurately. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation
Andrew Guertin [mailto:andrew.guer...@uvm.edu] wrote: Sent: 07 October 2011 17:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation On 10/07/2011 11:40 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: [...] Any solution should probably apply to relations as well as nodes (or instead of nodes, if I had my way). See also http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/131585141 with a creation date of 2011-09-28. (Was this deleted and recreated? Wikipedia appears to have a screenshot of it, but their image is from February...) A good point. I was only considering nodes but I don't see any problem with defining the east and west sections as ways (I'm not sure I would go as far as saying any need for relations at present). Ways also permits some overlap of the areas where the boundary between east and west parts is fuzzy or disputed though I'd take a dim view if the two sets of local mappers created east and west areas that encompassed the whole city. Some feedback from local mappers regarding way's vs node's for the E/W parts of the city would be helpful here. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 09 October 2011 21:16 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap snip However, if a bunch of OSM activists want to get sponsorship _outside_ OSMF to set up a tile-serving co-op which charges cost-plus, go for it. There is a sort of list at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Commercial_OSM_Software_and_Services Though I don't know how complete it is. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Unsuitable for motors etc.
SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] wrote: Sent: 11 October 2011 12:52 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Unsuitable for motors etc. Has anyone got any bright ideas about how best to map Unsuitable for Motors etc. signs? As I understand it they're not really access restrictions, just advisory. Currently they tend to be mapped as notes or as motorcar=unsuitable (which I'm yet to be convinced about because that's an access tag): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_the_United_Kingdom http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=unsuitable#values Using a note is fine for recording the information but the fact that it's not in a separate tag makes life difficult for renderers and routers (I'm thinking something along the lines of the Australian 4wd_only=yes). Anyone got any thoughts? What it says on the tin? car=unsuitable or maybe motor_vehicle=unsuitable Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation
In addition to the talk list and the DWG this email is being sent to those who have edited the name tag on node 29090735. Those reading the mailing list and forum will know that there is an on-going dispute between Israeli and Palestinian folks as well as unhappiness with the OSMF DWG. All relates to the name=tag for Jerusalem, the default name tag shown by the project mapnik rendering. The facts are clear that a tit for tat dispute of the name tag went on during 2009 and 2010. Also fact is that some discussions were held between mappers in the region to try and reach an agreed position. It was unfortunate that the DWG removed the name tag from the node around the same time, before the views of those discussing the point could communicate back. Regardless of this it is clear that there is no full 100% agreement between the local groups or even within each side. There have been discussions about two nodes, each holding information separately in Hebrew and Arabic, and there have also been suggestions of returning to a single node with Arabic, Hebrew (and English) names on it considering the international interest in the city. Both might work but nether offers a sustainable solution long term, mainly because as new mappers come and go the view of different individuals will change, and so it will be also for those viewing the map. I was asked to help mediate in the dispute. Something that I have found almost impossible as there is no basis on which to force mediation in the first place. I have however looked at the matter and offer the following for consideration and I would hope implementation. It must be recognised that no solution will be perfect. 1. All cities of the world have a varying demographic. Few have only one language or faith. Jerusalem has a population of over 700,000 and by all accounts the religious split of its people (ignoring minority groups) is in the order of 2/3 Jewish, 1/3 Arabic. Therefore a significant number of people will be served by having the name of Jerusalem visible in Hebrew and also in Arabic. English might be useful addition for the international interest in the city but that can be argued for all major cities around the world and therefore I don't see reason to include it in this solution. As with all other languages the language specific name tags are always available anyway. 2. There appear to be three choices for the number of nodes. One node to reflect the whole of the city, two nodes to reflect east and west, or three nodes to reflect both of the above. I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: Node 1: With the name in Hebrew and Arabic (in that order to reflect the demographic). Since I believe all of Jerusalem considers it to be the capital, it can have the capital tag as well as the place=city tag. This is what most viewing a zoomed out view would see on the default mapnik rendered tiles. No is_in tag would be added to avoid the political connotations, though a note (in English) would be added to reflect why this tag is missing. This node would carry all the international language specific name tags for Jerusalem as well as any other data that is factually correct and applicable for the city as a whole. Nodes 2 and 3: These would be created and maintained by each respective group. They would be placed to the east and west of Node 1. These nodes would not use either the capital nor the city tag but would instead reflect the east and west sector (suburb). The is_in tag would be controlled and decided upon by the respective group. Other tags would be as decided upon by the relevant group but must maintain the on-the-ground approach of factual data. DWG will continue to monitor but only to support the process of maintaining the agreed solution. Finally, I was encouraged that at the start of the discussion process the local mappers met and debated the issues. I would wish and strongly urge this to continue. It will only be through further communication and dialogue that differences will be understood. This needs to keep to one side the politics and beliefs and focus on what the wider community can benefit from in improving OSM for all. I'd argue that we don't create OSM data for ourselves but instead for the benefit of others and those that come after us. I do not consider that the DWG acted irrationally. A problem was posed and in interim solution was implemented. It might have seemed a little harsh but it is clear to me that it was never intended to be a permanent position. I was asked to mediate and I've given my opinion, so perhaps I might better describe what I have done as arbitration. If this oversteps the mark I apologise, but in the circumstances it appears the only thing I can do to move the matter to a speedy conclusion. If there is widespread descent then I will happily reconsider, otherwise I move to implement in 7 days. Cheers Andy (blackadder) ___ talk mailing list
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] i54 - Engine plant
Appears the site is alongside the Monarchs Way so I'll get the map updated around there tomorrow when I'm walking. Btw, if the weather is really lousy tomorrow I may defer by a day. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] ooc.* legend
Andy, 1:25,000 First/Provisional edition is currently 1946 to 1960, the latter increasing by a year each year as sheets drop out of Crown copyright. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 07 October 2011 15:49 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] ooc.* legend I've added links to http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/, from the template seen by Wikipedia users when they click on coordinates in articles about UK subjects. The blue legend has five rows, one for OSM and four for various OS maps. Could we add dates or date ranges for the latter, for the benefit of those unfamilar with the various series? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Fixme: A proposal
Have to admit I'm a inclined to be a little lazy and often just add two nodes after the stub rather than a fixme. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 05 October 2011 13:46 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fixme: A proposal Pieren wrote: d) Add a short stub tagged highway=path You can't tell without a fixme whether something is a stub because it's incomplete, or because it really is like that. Example: http://osm.org/go/eutFfSar-- . That looks very much like a stub because bridleways don't peter out in the middle of nowhere. Surely it requires resurvey? Except this one... genuinely does peter out. I just guess that the next mapper will compare the present data with its own survey It's great that you have so many mappers that you can rely on footfall alone to guarantee completeness. Footpaths in remote rural areas aren't like that. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Fixme-A-proposal-tp6853578p6861968.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1809 / Virus Database: 2085/4538 - Release Date: 10/04/11 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure
Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] wrote: Sent: 05 October 2011 18:51 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure Andy Robinson has been called in to mediate in this situation but mediation requires patience, and a willingness to compromise on all sides. Mediation currently appears problematic because only one side of the discussion is present. Ideally I'd like to see a joint statement from the two sides (the local mappers) that states what the difference(s) of position are. If it can't be joint then at least two separate statements. At the moment we have one side making a lot of noise only which means there is no practical route to mediation presently. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham commisions new mapping for its signage
Email sent to the project manager. Copy sent to team@mappa-mercia Cheers Andy From: bpran...@gmail.com [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2011 11:31 To: Andy Mabbett Cc: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham commisions new mapping for its signage I think that as mappers and council taxpayers we should raise a stink that BCC has wasted money on this when a free alternative has already been built. Perhaps a press release when we've found out how much they've wasted! Regards Brian On , Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: http://www.geoconnexion.com/geouk_news_article/Bluesky-Aerial-Photo-Reveals- Birmingham-City-Life/11440 High resolution aerial photography is being used to create a new map of Birmingham. Supplied by aerial survey specialist Bluesky the digital imagery will be used to create a royalty free base map to support Interconnect Birmingham a project to raise the profile, image and identity of the city. It is hoped that the interactive map, which will feature visitor attractions, hotels, green spaces and other features of interest, will help improve the experience of visitors to the city and support a multi channel, multi-modal movement and information system. One of the key aspects of the Interconnect Birmingham project was an advanced wayfinding solution for the urban centre. In order to populate this we needed a royalty free base map and aerial photography seemed to offer the optimum starting point for it's creation, commented John Maillard, Project Manager at Birmingham City Council, one of the project partners. Topographical map layers such as building footprints and roads will be drawn, using the Bluesky imagery as the principle reference, and then styled creating a map that is fit for purpose and truly unique to Birmingham. The aim of the Interconnect Birmingham project is to improve and integrate the city's image, identity and legibility. It aims to provide a strategic framework to promote quality design solutions and seeks to link existing and proposed transportation, public realm and development projects. Interconnect Birmingham will develop a strategic framework for the delivery of improved streets and spaces in Birmingham's extended city core, accompanied by accurate information to assist wayfinding, linked walking and public transport networks, and interpretation. Partners in InterConnect Birmingham include Centro, Marketing Birmingham as well as Birmingham City Council. We selected Bluesky as a supplier of aerial imagery following recommendations from colleagues within the Council, added Maillard. The 8 square kilometres of 10cm resolution imagery supplied by Bluesky forms part of a national coverage of highly accurate, up to date, orthorectified aerial photography. Available off the shelf in a variety of easy to use formats including GIS / CAD ready files Bluesky images together with a range of other geographic data solutions can be viewed and purchased online at www.bluesky-world.com/shop. #~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~# No mention of OSM :-( Time for some FoI requests? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1809 / Virus Database: 2085/4538 - Release Date: 10/04/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Highway lanes data for GB
-Original Message- From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 29 September 2011 2:33 PM To: thomas van der veen Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Highway lanes data for GB .. I was interested to see how few dual carriageways there are in Norfolk for instance. Not needed. Tractors all go at the same speed or use the verge to pass :-D Cheers Andy (who grew up there) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.png If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
Cool! Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: juliocos...@gmail.com [mailto:juliocos...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Julio Costa Zambelli Sent: 26 September 2011 1:56 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories Dear Andy, A _relatively_ unmapped area. The Villa Las Estrellas (Post Office, School, Library, Hospital, Bank, the Russian Ortodox Church, etc.), the Base Presidente Eduardo Frei Montalva, and the Aeródromo Teniente Rodolfo Marsh (runway, apron, and VOR beacon), all in the Isla Rey Jorge (King George Island) have been mapped for a couple of years (Jul/2009): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.195lon=- 58.9767zoom=14layers=M Also the user Blazejos has been mapping the Arctowski (Polish) Base for some time: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.18318lon=- 58.47755zoom=15layers=M Best Regards, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile On 26 September 2011 07:57, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.pn g If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] British Antarctic Territories
An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.png If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
Cool! Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: juliocos...@gmail.com [mailto:juliocos...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Julio Costa Zambelli Sent: 26 September 2011 1:56 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories Dear Andy, A _relatively_ unmapped area. The Villa Las Estrellas (Post Office, School, Library, Hospital, Bank, the Russian Ortodox Church, etc.), the Base Presidente Eduardo Frei Montalva, and the Aeródromo Teniente Rodolfo Marsh (runway, apron, and VOR beacon), all in the Isla Rey Jorge (King George Island) have been mapped for a couple of years (Jul/2009): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.195lon=- 58.9767zoom=14layers=M Also the user Blazejos has been mapping the Arctowski (Polish) Base for some time: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.18318lon=- 58.47755zoom=15layers=M Best Regards, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile On 26 September 2011 07:57, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.pn g If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] RSPB Middleton Lakes mis-tagged
Its tompople again. He's tracing from Streetview or 1:25k adding mostly streams and other water features etc. I've just had to fix a few of the pools/lakes around there that have been broken. He needs to be checking with BING as well and ideally not mess with anything that's already present. Brian, any recent correspondence from him? My email to him of a month or so back did not get any response. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 06 September 2011 11:28 AM To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] RSPB Middleton Lakes mis-tagged Somebody had tagged RSPB Middleton Lakes with boundary=national park. I've changed, but someone with the know-how might like to check that eidtor's other edits, in case it was part of a wider set of subtle vandalism. Of course, it might have been a good-faith mistake. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Albert Street
While going into the city on the train last evening I spotted that Albert street and parts of the roads that connect to it (Fox Street, Grosvenor Street, Bartholomew Stree) have been closed off while the do redevelopment work I guess in the two plots of land straddling Albert Street. I didn't get enough details to map it properly. Needs a ground survey if anyone is in the area soon? They have also started work on constructing another building or car park to the east of Millennium Point. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.481714lon=-1.887519zoom=18layers=M Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] 1:25,000 OOC OS maps - Update
As many may know I've been collecting OS 1:25k provisional edition map sheets for the last few years. I'd got to around a third of the set of 2027 sheets before the summer. As a result of a very generous donation from the University of Glasgow (Thanks go to Mike Shand) I now have 66% of the full set. In addition I have many different sheet editions for the north of the country and Scotland and a great many duplicates, some of which will be sold to help raise funds to secure the remaining 1/3rd of the set that are still needed for full coverage. I've now finished cataloguing the provisional series maps from Glasgow, over 1850 sheets in all, and you can find the updated table and graphical chart showing coverage from the links at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Provisional/First_Edition The next job will be to restart rectification and tiling to enable their use in the OSM editing tools and other purposes. Because of the sudden influx I'm looking at possibilities of scanning off site and distributing the rectification process, all suggestions and offers on that would be most appreciated. Ping me if you have any questions or have an area of coverage you would particularly like to see available soon. You can see the current tiled sheets at: http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=6lat=53.96418lon=-3.92646layers=000B0 Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Road Improvements
Awesome work Brian, What's with the one-way invisible Burnt Tree Island though ;-) For those that wish to inspect: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.44476lon=-1.93657zoom=16layers=M and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.513407lon=-2.06317zoom=18layers=M Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2011 4:57 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Road Improvements Hi All Selly Oak Relief Road now mapped and edited. While I was at it I also did the new junction at Burnt Tree Island in Dudley Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th
Widening out to the rest of the gb list. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2011 3:11 PM To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Hi everyone After many hours wrestling with wiki formatting (ugh!) there's a page devoted to this event where you can sign up http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Monarch%27s_Way_Distibuted_Mapping_Party_ October_8 Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th
I'd say so Nick. No reason why the wiki page couldn't be expanded to cover the whole 9 yards (well 615miles ;-) ) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk] Sent: 24 August 2011 3:23 PM To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Could this be distributed to other parts of the UK I wonder? The Monarch's Way passes near me, we could probably do something down south too. Nick -SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Date: 24/08/2011 01:31PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th On 24/08/2011 13:14, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Widening out to the rest of the gb list. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2011 3:11 PM To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Seems to have moved - I'm guessing here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Monarch%27s_Way_Distibuted_ Mapping_Party_October_8 (and hopefully the link will survive the mailing list OK) Cheers, Another Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb = ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Freshers Fair University of Birmingham
Brian, Im happy to stump up a contribution if you want to run with it. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 August 2011 14:52 To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Freshers Fair University of Birmingham Hi All This takes place with a special day for organisations looking of volunteers and is on 22nd September 11am - 4pm which I could manage. Major snags: £50 fee and deadline is tomorrow and we have to register our organisation with them - 4 page form and contract to sign ( nothing onerous but it is a contract) Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Monarchs Way event
Not the 1st Oct for me as it's the Cycle Show at the NEC. 8th would be my preference though could also do the 15th. I don't recommend beyond that as we hit the school half term on the 22nd. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 August 2011 2:41 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Monarchs Way event Hi everyone Following on from the discussion at the August meeting to have a mapping event on a Saturday in October, we decided that the greatest inclusion and interest would be generated by people electing to survey a section of the Monarchs Way which meanders through large tracts of the region. Which Saturdays are best for everyone at the moment? Once we've fixed on a date we are planning to extend the event to the rest of the UK to see if we can get participants elsewhere on the 500 mile Long distance path. I'll also create a wiki page where people can sign up to a section. If us midlanders want to meet up towards the end of the day somewhere we'll also need a venue but that can come later. For Andy Mabbett ( and anyone else who's interested) the heritage itomap layer is at http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=88. You can't see it in the main site overlay dropdown as it's a special created for my hunt of listed bdgs Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter
-Original Message- From: Paul Williams [mailto:pjwde...@googlemail.com] Sent: 08 August 2011 11:47 AM To: talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter I've found that there is still a big problem with unconnected roads in the area west of Uttoxeter (including in Stoke-on-Trent), as well as various other problems including self intersecting and overlapping roads, and invalid turn restrictions (for example, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1633622/history). The problems have been found on major roads such as the A50 as well as minor roads and paths in a large area mainly around North Staffordshire, so I'm guessing that the current data is largely useless for routing in the area. I've so far fixed some of the problems along the A50 in Stoke and am currently working on sorting out the Longton area, but could do with some help to fix the rest. Cheers Paul Williams (Paul The Archivist) On 11 July 2011 17:47, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 28/06/2011 20:45, Richard Bullock wrote: It seems Mr Darren39 has simply nuked all of my contributions in the north and east of the town, and replaced them with his own - and none of the ways connect to any other ways. A whole section of the A523 is missing. Much of the replacements are a complete mess. I've just noticed that there are similar issues west of Uttoxeter. I've mailed him about the deletion but do not expect a reply. Down there is a bit out of my area so am mentioning it here in case anyone needs a heads-up. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tomorrow Night
I'm guessing that mostly he's been adding bits of the Black Country Urban Forest (though its hardly a forest!) http://www.dudley.gov.uk/environment-planning/countryside/trees/black-countr y-urban-forest-millennium-program/ See you later. Not sure what I'll be mapping yet, but I'm sure I can find something ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2011 7:56 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tomorrow Night Hi All Weather permitting I'm heading to an area south of Black Patch Park to investigate a large area of forest added by user Tom Pople. See you about 8! Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Midlands Social on 4th Aug
Reminder that our next OSM midlands social is on Thur August 4th. This time at The Black Eagle, a fantastic old fashioned pub on Factory Road in Smethwick. Some of us will be doing a spot of mapping in the area before about 8pm. Details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia The pub is within walking distance of the Soho, Benson Road metro station Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Midlands Social on 4th Aug
Reminder that our next OSM midlands social is on Thur August 4th. This time at The Black Eagle, a fantastic old fashioned pub on Factory Road in Smethwick. Some of us will be doing a spot of mapping in the area before about 8pm. Details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia The pub is within walking distance of the Soho, Benson Road metro station Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social this Thursday
I'll be doing some cycle route updates and related surveying between Ladywood and Harborne. At the Harborne end I'll be centred at the end of the Harborne Walkway. See you in the pub around 8 or 8:30 if I get held up. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 July 2011 19:11 To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social this Thursday I don't think we set any specific goals - just enrich the data generally On 5 July 2011 22:47, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: At the June meet up we agreed to meet this coming Thursday in Harborne to do a spot of mapping and then beer at the Green Man, Junction of Harborne Road Metchley Lane, Harborne [1]. What I don't recall is whether we set any tasks to map anything in particular other than filling out /addressing the area a bit more. Brian, anyone? See you Thursday anyway. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.46095 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.46095mlon=-1.94305zoom=16layers=M mlon=-1.94305zoom=16layers=M ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet
You mean Harborne I hope Mike ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 July 2011 11:10 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening? Miked29 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 04 July 2011 2:03 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK Mike Collinson wrote: I would like to thank the Ordnance Survey for their kind consideration and the speed in which they were able to give a response. ...and thank you, Mike and Henk, for taking this on. +1 to that Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms
Or the Archbishop of Canterbury, or Fake SteveC, depending on your particular affiliation. There was a rumour, though only a rumour ;-) Cheers Andy -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OS-OpenData-and-accepting-the-new-contributo r-terms-tp6483857p6503476.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
Frederik, I am subspecies from the universe P281/304-II. I am a bit like a wasp, often referred to as a Yellow (High-Viz) Jacket. I annoy streets, post boxes, garden fences and hedges and anything else I can find that is floating I the ether and root it into OSM. I know nothing of imports except for bumping into bus_stops that are in the wrong place from some alien import. They hurt but I move them into their rightful locations when I find them. Thankfully there aren't too many similar features in my area to concern me. Alas I fear I am not the best person to write the paper of which you speak, since I am most likely to just chew it up and make a nest out of it. I'll stick to mapping. Cheers OSM_wasp_clone#462297 (with spatial extension upgrade 'OCOSMD') -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 10 June 2011 7:06 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot Hi, On 06/09/11 18:01, SteveC wrote: I know it's fashionable to claim imports are bad, what I seek is actual data. As in, A comparative study of the development of the OSM community in X in the standard universe where data has been imported, and in parallel universe P281/304-II where all other factors are unchanged but no data has been imported? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
-Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 10 June 2011 3:39 PM To: SteveC Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot Hi, SteveC wrote: Or as close to it as possible, yes. I don't care what the result is, it's just too fashionable to automatically believe the imports are bad thing. Funny that you should use the word fashionable, as if to discount those who say it as merely following a fashion instead of possibly having a mind of their own. If I remember correctly, it used to be the other way round; when TIGER was imported, everyone went aaah and oooh - myself included -, and even when AND became available there were very few, if any, complaints. It is only in the recent past that a more critical view of imports has established itself in the community. One should ask: What has happened (or has not happened) in the mean time? - That would perhaps go some way to explain the fashion. I have a feeling that no imports is fashionable in the same way as no smoking. It's a fairly recent development, that's true, but it is based on experience and observation; it's not just a fad. And it is unlikely to turn around again any time soon. +1 My feeling is that we did most of the early (and perhaps current) imports fairly blindly. TIGER needed two attempts and we still ended up with a bag of marbles despite much valuable work by Dave Hansen and others. The AND data was discussed and pulled apart by the NL community for quite a while but still it raised some questions afterwards. All this should be telling us something thats actually quite obvious. Other peoples data is exactly that, other peoples data. If we want it in OSM then as long as we accept it doesn't fit our expectations (and most of it never will) then perhaps we can live it (or not). I recall when AND data was imported we also had some data from them for China, which when a bit of checking was done by someone with some knowledge of reality on the ground turned out to be more fiction and fantasy than useful geographical information. Hence we ignored it. It's always going to be a difficult call to agree that an import is good or bad for OSM, even if many folks spend many hours working the mapping of tags etc etc. And it's not so easy to do anything about a poor import once it's in OSM. So in reality we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Cheers Andy Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
Nice work Matt Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Amos [mailto:zerebub...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 June 2011 4:20 PM To: SteveC Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: There are tons of things. People drive in the US so pubs are difficult to arrange things around. Mapping in the US is boring because of the big gridded cities. I map much less in the US than the UK. It's not just that there are roads there already, which by the way is a good thing because I have sat for hours correcting them against aerial. It's just not that simple to say imports killed it. some interesting facts: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/editors_urban_per_month.png http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/editor_growth_comparison.png when the AND import ran (around sep '07), it seems the NL community was already about an order of magnitude larger than the US community when the TIGER import ran (roughly sep '07 - feb '08). in the comparison, with fewer countries but the time base adjusted so that they all hit 1 user per month per million urban population at the same time, it's pretty clear to see that the UK, NL and RU communities seem to be carving roughly the same path. the germans grew much faster over their first 3 years than other communities. the US is difficult to interpret. one view is that it grew at approximately the same rate as UK, NL and RU until about 1.5 years in, where it plateaus. that's late 2009, when there was lots of TIGER fixup activity and some big mapping parties (e.g: Atlanta). the alternative view is that the growth rate is actually smaller, but that there's a temporary peak mid-late 2009 which masks that. given that these numbers are normalised to the *urban* population, population density issues don't come into it - we're basically looking at cities. and given that AT and RU have a much lower proportion of their populations in urban areas than the US. Canada has about the same urbanisation as the US, and similar gridded cities, and similar attitudes to driving [1], but a growth curve the same as France or Spain. this doesn't tell us what the cause of slow community growth in the US is, but it does tell us that it isn't population density, it isn't driving attitudes and it isn't the interestingness (or not) of the road layout. cheers, matt [1] 77% of Canadians use public transport a few times a year or less, compared with 88% of those in the US, 48% in the UK and 13% in Russia, according to http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/natgeo_surveys_countries_tran s.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Housing Development Names
Kev, What I’ve done a couple of times is to create a way encompassing the development and adding all the relevant details to that. As extra tags along with landuse=residential usually. I often find that if it’s a one road affair the new name for the road which comes along late in the development is completely different from the name developer gave the site when they started construction. Like you, I hate to dump data when you know it is factually correct, at least from some prior period of time. Cheers Andy From: Kev js1982 [mailto:o...@kevswindells.eu] Sent: 08 June 2011 21:39 To: OSM - Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Housing Development Names Looking at the cyclemap to see if I had made all the changes I thought I had I noticed the very prominent Knightshayes text on the map http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=13 http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=13lat=52.92356lon=-1.12127layers=B0 lat=52.92356lon=-1.12127layers=B0 This is a new housing development which when I added it to the map was still under construction but signed in lots of places though the development and neighbouring areas - however we are now a few years on and all the signs are gone and all the properties are occupied. The current tagging is is_in:Gamston, West Bridgford place:suburb name:Knightshayes landuse:residential The question is what should I do with it now? 1) Remove as it's no longer signed on the ground 2) Downgrade it to some other tagging for historic mapping 3) Leave it as it is and raise a bug report on OpenCycleMap to get that sort of place less prominent on the map 4) Change my tagging as it's wrong (the development is a suburb of the village of Gamston, itself a suburb of the town of West Bridgford which is effectively a suburb of the city of Nottingham (but it's not within Nottingham City Council area, it's Rushcliffe Borough/Nottinghamshire County council here) so the tagging should really reflect it's true place in that hierarchy. My inclination would be 2) - I don't like the idea or removing data which was collected on the ground but it doesn't feel like it should be on the map at all for general use. It's very much like the 1970s development my parents live on - a few people do know the name of that development but in reality most people would never have heard of it - the council treat it as being part of the neighbouring estate (which only the council and local bus operator seam to know about!), the Royal Mail and many other people assume that the whole estate itself are part of a much larger suburb. Certainly none of the commercial maps I have seen over the years mentioned it's development name (well apart from the really old ones which show the sports ground that gave it it's name, but they don't have the roads). Kev. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Code point updates
Cool Chris. Are you updating tile rendering for those areas you have previously made available? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 08 June 2011 22:01 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Code point updates I have finished loading the latest OS CodePoint to create the post code overlays for England, Scotland and Wales. More info here: http://codepoint.raggedred.net/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Godiva Festival, Coventry, 2nd 3rd July
Received the following from Keith (OSM User acorn) --- Would OpenStreetMap like to exhibit at the Godiva Festival? As you may know, myself with a great deal of help from Coventry Linux User Group, organise an Open Source Community exhibition stand at the Godiva Festival, www.godivafestival.co.uk, for local Open Source related groups. As OpenStreetMap are part of the community it would be great to have OSM exhibit on the stand. Previous years have shown the stand to be incredibly popular and certainly succeed in raising awareness of Open Source hardware, software and related projects and in recruiting new members - the average for CovLUG has been over 40 new members per festival! Exhibiting is free for organisations like ourselves and is a grand opportunity to raise awareness of OpenStreetMap amongst the local population and beyond. If you and/or other OSM members would like to put an exhibit together please let me know. The Festival and exhibition stand are on Saturday 2nd Sunday 3rd July 2011 and I need to get the exhibition stand application in with space and power requirements by the beginning of June. --- Anyone interested in doing this? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Talk-gb-westmidlands Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5
Who's actually about and wishes to make the social this Thursday? I can't really get to Nuneaton in time to make it worthwhile for mapping this week, staying in Brum is a better prospect for me. Views? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 19 May 2011 22:46 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Talk-gb-westmidlands Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5 Nuneaton looks rather in need of attention. I note the Felix Holt is a Wetherspoon, and will serve real ale and food. Just A Thought. Miked29 -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-requ...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-westmidlands-requ...@openstreetmap.org] Sent: 19 May 2011 12:00 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-gb-westmidlands Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5 Send Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list submissions to talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-gb-westmidlands-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-gb-westmidlands-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-gb-westmidlands digest... ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3650 - Release Date: 05/20/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Godiva Festival, Coventry, 2nd 3rd July
Received the following from Keith (OSM User acorn) --- Would OpenStreetMap like to exhibit at the Godiva Festival? As you may know, myself with a great deal of help from Coventry Linux User Group, organise an Open Source Community exhibition stand at the Godiva Festival, www.godivafestival.co.uk, for local Open Source related groups. As OpenStreetMap are part of the community it would be great to have OSM exhibit on the stand. Previous years have shown the stand to be incredibly popular and certainly succeed in raising awareness of Open Source hardware, software and related projects and in recruiting new members - the average for CovLUG has been over 40 new members per festival! Exhibiting is free for organisations like ourselves and is a grand opportunity to raise awareness of OpenStreetMap amongst the local population and beyond. If you and/or other OSM members would like to put an exhibit together please let me know. The Festival and exhibition stand are on Saturday 2nd Sunday 3rd July 2011 and I need to get the exhibition stand application in with space and power requirements by the beginning of June. --- Anyone interested in doing this? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] June social
Folks, we don't have a location planned for the next social on June 2nd. Anyone wish to suggest somewhere? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Distinctly Black Country
Richard Fairhurst pointed out this website today. They have a launch which may be of interest to folks: http://distinctlyblackcountry.org.uk/launch/ Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths
Peter, thanks for reminding me of the link. It's useful to get a picture of what's going on here. To add my few words on the subject matter to respond to Peter Oliver's original question Since I came up with the old way I guess I should expand on my original thinking. When considering all types of ways I wanted as much as possible to simplify the root key/value pairs so that you only needed to refer to a few. My intention therefore was that any highway traversed by foot would a highway=footway. Simples as my little meerkat friends say. Now of course there are many types of footway, some paved, some not, some with access rights (permissive or public) and some which nobody seems to know the status of. Some are just worn down routes in the grass over which folks walk their dogs and after the winter maybe they reappear on a different alignment. In my view all of these are highway=footway, nothing more or less should be implied other than that their highest denominator is that you only pass over them on foot, ie they are not for bikes, horses, cars etc. To my thinking highway=path is meaningless because it doesn't tell me anything useful at all. It's a bit like highway=road which has the same wishy-washy problems. All the other stuff, eg type of construction, access rights etc etc are additional tags you might add if you were so inclined. Of course you can decide to infer that if there are no other tags that the footway carries certain other properties and perhaps depending on location (rural or urban) there is a good chance the larger percentage of instances will be correct. Eg for paved or unpaved surfaces. Not perfect but closer than not considering anything at all. Anyway, I'll be keeping with highway=footway and perhaps will add other tags as I feel like it at the time. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 3:57 PM To: Ed Avis Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths On 4 May 2011 15:39, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: The general practice in this country is to use footway for paved paths in cities and path for muddier countryside ones (or, perhaps, through city parks). Um, no it isn't. There is absolutely no consensus for using =path in the countryside rather than =footway. I strongly suspect that if you analysed the data in the UK countryside, you would find 80% footway, 20% path. Ah, sorry for making such a rash generalization. What I should have said is that to the extent path is used instead of footway, it has a sense of being an unsurfaced path. Footway is used too even in the countryside. Here is a global map view showing highway=footway in blue and highway=path in brown. http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=97 There is indeed something like an 80/20 split in the UK with noticeable enthusiasm for 'path' in some parts of the country and a noticable preference for its use in the countryside over the town. In Germany the preference is stronger. This map will remain viewable but will not appear in the pull-down list of standard views so do please bookmark it if you want to come back to it. Regards, Peter Miller -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths
Adam Hoyle [mailto:adam.li...@dotankstudios.com] wrote: Sent: 04 May 2011 6:07 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths This is a very interesting discussion. I've been walking and then adding footpaths north of High Wycombe / south of Wendover and surrounding areas for a couple of years, but for various felt-too-much-like-work reasons I've only just joined this mailing list in the last few weeks. Fwiw I had thought that footway meant an official footpath and path meant an non-official, but obviously well used footpath, not that I used path that often tbh. I'm glad to hear about the designation tag, as that makes things a bit clearer, but how does designation work with highway=bridleway? Should I be adding both? I'd say yes. In a UK centric thinking it's probably sufficient to ignore it since on the whole if you can take your horse over the route its probably most likely to be an official designated public Bridleway. But I'm sure there will be those that can point to exceptions. Cheers Andy Cheers, Adam On 4 May 2011, at 14:37, SomeoneElse wrote: On 04/05/2011 13:22, Peter Oliver wrote: . There's an old method of tagging ways suitable for pedestrians, and a new method. I'd ignore the new method as documented there. It was added by a wikifiddler a couple of months ago and bears no resemblance to common usage in the UK. The huge table that was added also makes the page pretty much illegible. The new method is not wrong, but doesn't add any more information and involves more typing. Personally, I'll record new footpaths as highway=footway, and if someone already mapped one as highway=path, foot=blah I'll leave it at that. Life's too short for edit wars. As well as echoing what other people have said (e.g. recording designation=public_footpath if there's a sign) what I would add is to see please get mapping! Don't worry about getting 100% of the detail at the first attempt (if someone spots later that something was actually a bridleway and not just a footpath they can change it). Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder - RE: Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social
Reminder that the next midlands social (including micro map for those that wish) is this Thursday in Tamworth. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 April 2011 3:27 PM To: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social At last night's Midlands social we decided to have another attack on Tamworth as there is still much to do there. Therefore the social next month on May 5th will be in Tamworth. It would be great if we could have a big turnout and it would be fantastic to see some faces from outside our local region too. We generally agree where we are mapping beforehand to save meeting at a particular time. This allows those that wish to be mapping in the later afternoon/early evening to get a head start. Meeting in the pub is normally around 8pm as the light fails. Full details are on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Any questions please reply to the list or leave a note on the wiki page. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
Thanks for response Andy. I'm with you regarding tagging the NB as ncn= for the reasons you give. Appreciate all your hard work in keeping the cyclemap up and running. It's a fantastic resource. On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also surprised that they haven't yet changed the standard ranger sticker from the cycling one to the one that adds the pedestrian at the top as well. Every ranger patch I put up I have to add the walking/cycling (SPB) patch which is just a waste. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 April 2011 9:23 AM To: monxton Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton gm...@jordan-maynard.org wrote: So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that it's 3.5 years since since the schedule for rendering the National Byway was this week. eeek! Let's face it though, in the face of trying to keep the server running under ever-increasing pressures, and dealing with problems and improvements in the cartography that affect the whole planet, it's not hugely surprising that the National Byway hasn't quite bubbled up to the top of my todo list. I mean, the key hasn't been updated in 3.5 years either, and I've never gotten around to documenting my wonderful system for highlighting places that serve fryups, and I think both of those are more important :-) But on the National Byway issue, there are a few fundamental things. I've pretty much settled on not adding any new types of cycle route highlighting, since I think three levels of hierarchy have pretty much proven sufficient in many different countries. I disagree (with Richard) that there's anything fundamentally different between a cycle route of national importance organised by one UK charity as opposed to a cycle route of national importance organised by a different UK charity. However, I'm aware that we are doing lots of non-cyclists a disfavour by classifying the national byway as only being for cycling (with the route=bicycle tag). If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. If anyone cares about the differences between a Sustrans route and other routes, then the operator tag would be appropriate. So I expect to render it at some point (still), but it's never really been a great priority for me, and when it does get rendered I'll be treating it the same way as all the other national cycling routes[1] around the world. Cheers, Andy [1] I was at a Sustrans rangers meeting once where the big guns were discussing the fact that their network was for both cyclists and walkers, and why did so many people think it was only for cyclists. I laughed slightly and pointed out that they'd called it the National Cycle Network and the clue to the cause of the confusion might be in the name. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3584 - Release Date: 04/19/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 20 April 2011 10:17 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. Strongly disagree. But then you know that. :) I think the root (route?) problem is that we're tagging everything as networks even if they're not. I've been as guilty as anyone of this: when I mapped the Four Castles Cycle Route around Abergavenny, I tagged it as lcn, just to get it to render. But it isn't a network, really. It's just a route. Lots of other people have done this, to the extent that I wince whenever I look at OCM at z13 - all that obtrusive dark blue in places which really don't have local cycle networks at all. This raises an important point that cropped up last week in Brum where Brian had tagged a serious of routes that the local campaign group, Pushbikes, are promoting. The issue was that these routes don't exist on the ground. Like a bus route there is nothing really to tell you a route exists though there is clearly information around (paper map etc) that confirms they do and shows you where they go, a bus route map would be similar. So for me whether it is part of a network or not is immaterial. As far as I'm concerned using ncn/lcn/lcn is the best way of tagging a signed logical route whether its part of a bigger network or not. For routes that are not signed perhaps another layer is needed so that you can print the route and follow it but it doesn't clutter the signed physical network version of the cycle map. For now I've removed the lcn tags from a couple of the Pushbikes unsigned routes in Brum and Brian and I have it on our to-do to work out how best to handle them locally going forwards as we want to help promote Pushbikes excellent work. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Licence change
West Mids mappers... If you haven't logged into your OSM account or done any editing recently you may be unaware of the forthcoming proposed licence change for OSM. A major part of that process is to sign up to new contributor terms. If you have not logged into OSM recently could you please do so and decided whether you wish to accept the new contributor terms or not. Personally I encourage you to do so though I appreciate it's your choice. Its important to make a decision so that data you have already contributed can be left in or removed as required should the change in licence go ahead. The link below shows is centred on Brum and highlights in red those ways in the map data where contribution is from someone who has declined the new terms (almost zero thankfully). Green means all contributors for a given way have agreed and blue means one or more are undecided (user hasn't agreed or declined yet). The other hues are various in-between states where an object has seen many editors of it over the last 6 years of OSM. See below the map for the key. http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=52.48479lon=-1.89151; layers=B0 The map shows plenty of green for the west mids which is excellent, that's principally because the major contributors have already agreed to the new terms. If you need more info on the licence change process see the following link: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: Sent: 19 April 2011 3:24 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing that it is not rendered on the cycle map. I've rummaged around in the history of this issue and located what I think are the most relevant thread starters: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/009449.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2007- September/005861.html also Richard's summary on the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=4141 These, and other threads I haven't listed, tend to end with Andy saying that he will render the National Byway tags in their own colour some time in the future. I guess we need to be patient with Andy. Yes it would be nice to see it rendered as a brown line or whatever with little http://www.thenationalbyway.org/img/nb_logo.gif shields instead of the Sustrans NCN numbering. But I'm sure it will happen eventually. Is there any likelihood that that time is nigh? I know this sounds like a nag, so if there anything that can be done (style files?) to help get to that point, I'm happy to volunteer. (I know not everyone here cares for the National Byway. For me, it hits the spot for route planning much better than the Sustrans routes, which tend to be just too slow for long journeys.) The two are trying to do very different things, each to their own. Cheers Andy (Yet another Sustrans Volunteer) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence
Robert Whittaker (OSM) [mailto:robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com]wrote Sent: 18 April 2011 2:13 PM To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence I've just declined the new OSM Contributor Terms (CTs), because I've previously made edits based on OS OpenData, and my understanding is that the Ordnance Survey (OS) OpenData Licence is incompatible with the current version of the OSM Contributor Terms (1.2.4). I appreciate that licence discussion really belongs on legal-talk, but I thought I should post this here about this UK-specific issue -- in order to prevent people signing up to the new CTs without realizing the potential incompatibility with OS OpenData-derived content. My reasoning for the incompatibility is as follows: The OS OpenData License [1] clearly states that any sub-licences must include a specific attribution requirement, and must also enforce a similar attribution requirement on any further downstream usage. If you make sure your OS derived contributions carry the source information then that attribution will be in the OSM db for all to see for ever and a day, regardless of what OSMF does with it in the future under some other free and open format. And yes, I have signed up for the CT's and ODbL. I have no qualms at all about that. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK
From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 14 April 2011 12:27 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK Ed Loach wrote: Admittedly I have no motorways in the area I map, but I have added lots of maxspeed tags recently to try and eliminate (or reduce the number of) mapdust/skobbler missing speed limit bugs. Gah! Doing that on national speed limit roads is surely tagging for the renderer writ large. If Skobbler is inferring speed limits wrongly, that's their problem, not ours. cheers Richard +1 Richard, +1 Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK
From: Kai Krueger [mailto:kakrue...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 April 2011 02:17 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK Richard Fairhurst wrote: Why are we doing this? In OSM we optimise for the mapper, not the data consumer. That means we tag exceptions, not majorities. +1 / -1 (Yes and no) It has to be a compromise with which both sides can live with, mappers and application developers. If a tagging schema is too complicated for mappers to add, but easy to use for data consumers, it is of little use, as the data won't get added. But vice versa, if the data is easy to input, but too complicated for data consumers to ever feasibly use, then that is also fairly useless. It will just remain dead data, filling up a database. Both sides need to be adequately represented in the thoughts of what good tagging schema's are. In most parts of the world, mappers are the limiting resource, so a good compromise will sway towards being easy for the mapper, but it still has to be a compromise. Unfortunately if we thought anything other than the simplest way for mappers then OpenStreetMap would never have got off the drawing board. I agree in an ideal world the data would be perfect for entry AND use. But we don't live in a perfect world so we must look at it differently. Data users need more tools to help them sanitise and make the data more applicable to their needs, especially if those users have limited skills or software/hardware platform, but it's post processing tools and alternative data formats that will help overcome the inherent disadvantages of not realistically being able to ask mappers to do more complicated data entry. If I am not mistaken, you your self have said that you would rather use Ordinance Survey data then OpenStreetMap data, despite being an absolute OSM enthusiast. And if I remember correctly, this was not only due to licensing, but also because of ease of use? But that aside, this particular issue has actually been the mappers who want to note down national speed limit tagging and has not been a request from data consumers, as far as I can tell. Mappers wanted to distinguish between no explicit speed limit/ national speed limit and no one has surveyed the speed limit, so I need to go there to survey it. At least that is what I remember from the very long discussions on just this topic on talk-de. This is why assuming something on the absence of data is much more reliable than assuming the data is correct. As more gets mapped the data becomes less complete because different mappers map different things in different ways for any given area. Relying upon all roads to carry the appropriate tag is far more dangerous an assumption that assuming something where no tag exists. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social
At last night's Midlands social we decided to have another attack on Tamworth as there is still much to do there. Therefore the social next month on May 5th will be in Tamworth. It would be great if we could have a big turnout and it would be fantastic to see some faces from outside our local region too. We generally agree where we are mapping beforehand to save meeting at a particular time. This allows those that wish to be mapping in the later afternoon/early evening to get a head start. Meeting in the pub is normally around 8pm as the light fails. Full details are on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Any questions please reply to the list or leave a note on the wiki page. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 04 April 2011 11:08 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in this country? I'm still adding route_refs to the stops because I'm doing the routes and the info is useful. Plus all the west midlands stops carry the route ref details so its vaild info for the stop. The biggest problem is that the route numbers keep changing and this has stopped others from mapping this data. Cheers Andy What uses the bus route data anyway? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] West Midlands social reminder for this Thursday 7th April
Reminder that our next social is this Thursday 7th April from 7pm. Usual venue, The Bull, on Price Street, Birmingham http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
For those not aware, Christoph Böhme put together NOVAM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Novam A useful resource for checking out bus stop status in an area though I'm not sure of its current status with respect to data reliability. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Grimshaw [mailto:stuart.grims...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 April 2011 2:19 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: a) Do not import any NaPTAN data in areas where imports have already taken place. Experience shows that detailed survey correction of NaPTAN data is not to be undertaken lightly. IIRC about 10% is wrong. The best data are for Hullwhere Chris Hill surveyed the lot. I have done only about 20% of Nottingham's NaPTAN stops and have a similar error rate. Unfortunately processing NaPTAN alongside primary surveying just didnt prove viable, but there are plenty of stops which no longer exist, have moved or dont exist on the ground. b) Check with any mappers in the area before performing an import. There may be good reasons why they have not requested one in the past. c) The best approach would be to host current NaPTAN data in a location where OSM data can be compared then mappers could choose to import it. Having an application which did this would be way more useful than shoehorning NaPTAN data in on its own. I think this is a great idea Jerry, an app for people to compare what OSM holds already against what's in the latest version of NAPTAN, the data we were looking at was a few days old. What's the maximum area or number of points a tool like this would normally import? You don't want someone just selecting the whole of the UK then importing them. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
