Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria
Really enjoyed reading! Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 12th, 2022 at 4:15 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Neat, thanks for sharing. > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 15:59, Little Maps wrote: > >> Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data… >> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've >> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you >> should still find lots of interest I hope. >> >> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/ >> >> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without >> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and >> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the >> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous. >> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how >> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes >> Ian >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW LPI Data
Would it be possible to ask for permission for all of the endpoints? On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 09:42:45PM +1000, David Wales wrote: >Hmm... >We might have a problem then, because we've been using the following >endpoint to generate our address points: >[1]https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAdd >ress/MapServer/3/query >I was hoping to move to using the following instead, as it provides >better locations for the addresses in some cases: >[2]https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAdd >ress/MapServer/2 >However, if we don't actually have permission for these endpoints, >we're going to either need to get permission somehow, or revert and >restart with the correct endpoint! :( >Some guidance would be good here! >Regards, >David Wales > >On 25/7/20 5:45 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >It should still apply, but as always only the services listed >at [3]https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/products_and_services/web_services >/access_web_services are covered, the Property Address endpoint is not >directly listed and therefore cannot be assumed to be openly licensed. > >On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 17:35, David Wales <[4]daviewa...@disroot.org> >wrote: > >Dear all, >As part of the [5]NSW Address Import, we have been relying (I think) >upon the following explicit permission: >[6]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Gove >rnment_Data >However, the links mentioned in the permission no longer exist, as the >LPI services have migrated to SIX maps. >I'm just wanting to double-check that the permission still applies at >the new location, and if so, does it apply to all the arcgis endpoints >available in SIX maps? For example, the following: >[7]https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAdd >ress/MapServer/2 >Regards, >David Wales > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > [8]Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > [9]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > References > >1. > https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAddress/MapServer/3/query >2. > https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAddress/MapServer/2 >3. > https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/products_and_services/web_services/access_web_services >4. mailto:daviewa...@disroot.org >5. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia_NSW_Property_and_Address_Import >6. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data >7. > https://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/sixmaps/PropertyAddress/MapServer/2 >8. mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >9. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM area measurement capabilities
Hi Ritva,
OSM data can be exported into open-source programs like JOSM or QGIS. Once in
there, they are pure vector polygons which can be reprojected onto a CRS and get
areas calculated.
Hope it helps.
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>was wondering if OSM measures the sqm of areas that are mapped on OSM
>as a quantity e.g 100sqm of vegetation, 50sqm of building footprint,
>200sqm of park areas?
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>And if it does, can this be exported specifically?
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Re: [talk-au] Question about houses
Hello James! FYI those addresses you see were likely created as part of the NSW address import project - that is why they are in the middle of the lot :) Please feel free to improve on its accuracy by merging it into an actual building! Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:08 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > G'day James & welcome! > > Personally, I've always gone with either #3, with the address node at the > driveway, or drawn the building & added the address details to that. > > Either way seems to work, in the they render, & also appear in an address > search (at least on OSMand!) > > Good luck & have fun! > > Thanks > > Graeme > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 21:47, James Cridland wrote: > >> Hello, folks - first time poster here, and (while I first edited OSM a while >> ago) this my first time doing a lot of work in it to make it nicer. >> >> I'm adding the buildings around where I live. They're all individual >> buildings, mainly houses. In my part of Australia we've address points, >> which come from the local council. They're in the middle of the lot - not >> necessarily in the middle of the building on the lot. >> >> Should I be: >> 1. Adding the building outlines and moving the address points to the centre >> of the building? >> 2. Adding the building outlines and dropping the address point onto the >> outline, so they're merged? >> 3. Adding the building outlines and dropping the address point onto the >> outline at the entrance, so they're merged? >> 4. What the hell are you doing James, don't touch the address points? >> >> Looking at the renderer: if I do #3, that moves the street number to the >> entrance of the property, which is quite helpful, especially for a building >> on a corner. >> >> -- >> Tel/SMS/Signal/WhatsApp: +61 447 692743 >> [Podnews](https://podnews.net/) · [My radio trends >> newsletter](https://james.crid.land/) · [Speaking and >> consultancy](https://james.cridland.net/) >> Amazingly Brilliant Pty Ltd · ABN 30 612 913 514 >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] RapID roads now available for Australia
I came across some feedback on the quality of RapID in Australia: https://en.osm.town/@rory/103419495240060182 On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 11:34:04AM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote: >HI, > >it is now, however it seems they did not use the NSW LPI images but >their own... > >Australia 2019-12-30 Facebook's Map With AI - Maxar Imagery > >On 31/12/19 12:10 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM Phil Wyatt <[1]p...@wyatt-family.com> >wrote: > >RapID roads now available for Australia > > >But not in the list of downloads: >[2]https://github.com/facebookmicrosites/Open-Mapping-At-Facebook/wiki/ >Available-Countries > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > [3]Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > [4]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > References > >1. mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com >2. > https://github.com/facebookmicrosites/Open-Mapping-At-Facebook/wiki/Available-Countries >3. mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >4. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Did the Earth just move for you? RE WGS84
My impression was that the 1.8m jump was to do with the GDA standard (and therefore the MGA standards too). These seem like Australian specific coordinate systems that are being adjusted. I assumed that OSM stored its data in WGS84, which to my understanding is separate to a new definition of a GDA standard. However, my understanding on this topic is very poor, so if others can help explain the implications this has on OSM, if any, I'd really appreciate it :) On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 09:24:21PM +1100, Warin wrote: > > On 03/01/20 18:43, Dion Moult wrote: > > How does this get solved? > > > > Can someone help explain to me how this affects the map? My limited > > understanding is that this is the change from gda94 to gda2020. > > However, does osm store things in wgs84? And that hasn't changed, has it? > > For WGS84 to Australian relevance read > https://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/positioning-navigation/wgs84 > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Did the Earth just move for you?
How does this get solved? Can someone help explain to me how this affects the map? My limited understanding is that this is the change from gda94 to gda2020. However, does osm store things in wgs84? And that hasn't changed, has it? Original Message On 3 Jan. 2020, 6:26 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just saw reference to this: > https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nsw-and-victoria-just-jumped-18-metres-north/ar-BBYxCdy?ocid=spartandhp > > Damn, I guess that means we all have to go back in & adjust the maps! :-) > > Thanks > > Graeme___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Addresses/street numbers
Good morning Michael! Have you seen the NSW address import project? It uses the LPI web services: https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import There are a few contributors who occasionally upload suburbs! You will notice we have made quite a dent in a few areas. Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, January 3, 2020 11:02 AM, Michael Shafer wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I noticed that street number information is quite sparse around where I live > in Sydney, then saw it’s because the GNAF license is incompatible with OSM > (as tracked by @aharvey here: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue). > > This is pretty unfortunate as it means address search and routing tools can > only point you to the street, but not the individual property. (Noticed when > trying to geocode my own address!) > > Does anyone know of other techniques for getting address information at > scale? e.g. does Mapillary try to detect street numbers from street-level > imagery? > > Interestingly Mapbox does have street numbers where I live, I wonder where > they are getting that information. > > Thanks, > Michael___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 08:49:04AM +1100, Sebastian S. wrote: >So far I have not worked out a good grid method. Today I came across https://www.damn-project.org/ on my Mastodon feed. Looks spiffy. Has anybody tried it? -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Not a tourist attraction. Vote deletion of the tourist tag :) Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:57 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just started on NSW & found a tag that I'm not sure what to do with? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6094347085#map=19/-33.87527/151.09672 , > appears to be a tag that someone has put on their house, & called a tourist > attraction? > > Leave it alone as valid, or should be deleted? > > Thanks > > Graeme___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 11:29:13PM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote: > I'd like to present my latest pet project: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar > I wanted to share this and collect some feedback or comments. I love it! I might do a bit of solar mapping too! How easy is it to set a grid to know which areas have been mapped? -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] vic.gov.au lacking OSM attribution
Related to this - I noticed today that on this page: https://nbnco-customer.force.com/directcustomer/s/new-developments-application - when a user types in an address it'll then geolocate it and pop-up an OSM map powered by Leaflet. The Leaflet link is present but the OSM attribution is not present. If others on this list agree, I can send an email to the NBN. Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:22 AM, Phil Wyatt wrote: > Hi Mathew, > > I would also be inclined to email frvquesti...@mfb.vic.gov.au and > fireservicesref...@cfa.vic.gov.au as the site may well have been developed in > house without any knowledge by Mapbox staff. I also point folks to the > following page. > > https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/ > > Cheers - Phil > > From: Matt D > Sent: Friday, 27 December 2019 11:06 PM > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [talk-au] vic.gov.au lacking OSM attribution > > Was on https://www.vic.gov.au/fire-services-reform#fire-rescue-victoria and > saw that there's map on the page that looked remarkably similar to a Mapbox > layer, the map seems to be using the government's own library but lacks > attribution to OSM. > > A check of the HTML code in inspect element showed that it was indeed using > Mapbox and OSM with the government's own typeface supplementing way and > suburb names with their own font. I have passed this on to Mapbox via their > support desk and awaiting a response. I will update the mailing list when I > get a reply. > > What's possible is that somebody's forgotten to add an attribution box on the > corner referencing to OSM and Mapbox. > > Thanks___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Lot Boundaries—worthwile to request?
I think the six maps overlays come from NSW LPI Web Services, which we have permission and compatible licensing and attribution information for: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data Could be wrong, though. As for specifically mapping lot boundaries, using the layer to check other things is OK, but just in case there is any misunderstanding my belief is that we should not map actual lot boundaries if they are invisible on the ground. If it coincides with an actual physical object, like a fence, then it's mappable :) Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:48 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Note that permission to access is insufficient. > > We need this data on odbl compatible licence to use it for mapping. > > 23 Oct 2019, 14:40 by suburbansilvervl...@gmail.com: > >> G'day guys, >> >> Looking at the sixmaps website they have a lot boundaries overlay which does >> exactly what it says on the tin. Would it be worthwhile requesting >> permission to access this? My thoughts are that it could assist with >> armchair mapping for determining whether a road is for public access or >> whether its actually just a long driveway or the like? We already have the >> imagery dates overlay in iD so I presume it wouldn't be too difficult to add? >> >> Interested to hear your thoughts. >> >> Cheers, >> Luke___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] International GIS Day Missing Maps Mapathon
Hey Ritva!
Based in Sydney and definitely happy to help and participate!
What can I do?
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> WSP is planning on holding a global Missing Maps Mapathon with our Australia,
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> I have a few office representatives who are new to organising Mapathons and
> it would be great to get some local OSM/Missing Maps reps to help them with
> the introduction and training section of the session. It is very casual and
> can vary in size (we had around 10 participants in Melbourne and 30 in
> Brisbane last time).
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> Is anyone based in Canberra, Sydney and Perth with experience in Missing Maps
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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania
I don't want to discourage from the local woodlands initiative, I think it's absolutely great to do. I did want to being up the Cool Earth charity[1], which has been through lots of independent evaluation as to their effectiveness. Independent analysis suggests that their rate is at 0.71 USD per tCO2eq[2], but on their website it seems to be higher, approximately 2AUD per tCO2eq. If you wanted to consider more than carbon... I have done some really ballpark explorations here: https://thinkmoult.com/effective-altruism-living-net-positive-life.html Great initiative! 1. https://www.coolearth.org/ 2. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/report/cool-earth/#3-overall-evaluation Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 8 Aug. 2019, 5:47 pm, John Bryant wrote: > Great work Adam! I agree this looks like a worthwhile program. > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Edoardo Neerhut wrote: > >> Fantastic work on this Adam. Parks Victoria would be a wonderful >> organisation to fund offset with. Much better than a Cayman Island >> registered organisation with plantations in the Amazon. Hopefully the costs >> of this approach are within the real of possibility for us. >> >> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 15:26, adam steer wrote: >> >>> hey folks >>> >>> waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks >>> Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow >>> box woodland - which is direct, local and observable. >>> >>> I started making some calculations here: >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DGcpUCO6pHhKutoCh8qh1FcIrnXjyYQ_kOEIf5nCnGw/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> …using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t >>> CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions >>> from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers >>> please add comments. >>> >>> Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme >>> to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a >>> chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes. >>> >>> I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> ___ >>> FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list >>> foss4g-ocea...@lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania >> >> ___ >> FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list >> foss4g-ocea...@lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Street address: Corner
Through the address import project, you should be able to see what is the legal address of that plot. If it hasn't been imported yet, try the download script in that suburb and check there perhaps? Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 13 Apr. 2019, 2:29 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: > https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/35308/corner-premises-which-tags-do-i-use > > If the streets themselves are mapped then geocoders should be able to locate > these queries, but that still doesn't help let you say, "Corner of X and X" > is the address used by this premises. > > In my opinion, one possible way to do this is with the associatedStreet > relation https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet, > placing the object you with the corner address in the each street's > associatedStreet relation and omit any addr:housenumber.. > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 16:06, Sebastian S. wrote: > >> Hi all, >> How do you tag addresses of POI when only corner of two streets is given and >> no house number? >> E.g. Cnr Grose & Megalong Streets >> Cheers Sebastian >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my >> brevity.___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Shout out
Awesome work! The user in question is "balcoath" - it looks great! Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:43 PM, David Wales wrote: > Hi Talk-AU, > > I just noticed evidence of some serious mapping commitment around Revesby. > > As far as I can tell, one person has been tracing all the buildings in > this area, for the last 8 years! > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-33.9537/151.0142 > > Impressive! > > Regards, > David Wales > > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Help with overlapping features
Have you tried josm? It has a lot of powerful editing features? Maybe it can help. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 29 Mar. 2019, 4:29 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 15:21, David Wales wrote: > >> Hi Graham, >> >> What editor are you using? > > Only ID > > Thanks > > Graeme > >>>___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bushwalking site using OSM
This site looks fantastic Andrew! You should do a little blog post or something about the under-the-hood on how it all works. That can help others create the same :) Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 27 Mar. 2019, 11:17 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I just launched a new map based on OSM data https://www.beyondtracks.com/map/ > > It aims to show much more detail at low zoom levels compared to most OSM map > styles out there. > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 at 18:03, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >> I just wanted to share a project I've been working on recently, which >> provides bush walking information, mainly in NSW. >> >> http://beyondtracks.com/ >> >> Most of the route geometries have come from OpenStreetMap, the >> basemaps are using OpenStreetMap, I've pulled in points of interest >> along the walk from OpenStreetMap and the search uses names of >> features near the walk from OpenStreetMap.___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Hi Andrew, I'm not entirely sure what we might get up to. I'm keen for some hands on work, and it'd be good to double up as a local meetup if one doesn't already exist. I'm sure we all love to map locally too, so please do come if you can :) A mix of presentations does sound really good. Maybe not for the first meet up, but perhaps for subsequent ones? Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 20 Mar. 2019, 4:31 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> Casual meetup of Sydney based OSM mappers, let's meet up and do some >> humanitarian mapping tasks on HOTOSM! > > Dion, is the intention to be a local OSM meetup + a Missing Maps > (http://www.missingmaps.org) style humanitarian mapathon? > > Should I come if I'm interested in Australian OSM, but not interested in > remote mapping outside Australia? > > There's been two Missing Maps events in the past in Sydney that I know of and > both times almost all attendees were new to OSM, so it didn't act as a local > community meetup. > > I'm very interested in a Sydney OSM event for locals to catch up about all > things OSM. I think a mix of presentations + social is perfect, like > GeoRabble, https://georabble.org. I see that as a bit different to a > mapathon, which is a bit of into followed by actual hands on work. > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:08, Dion Moult wrote: > >> Hey all! I've started an event here: >> https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/ >> >> If you could sign up or comment there I can change the venue and time easily >> without spamming the talk-au list. I've changed the date to 30th March >> Saturday . it would also allow me to know who is coming and what to cater >> for if we get food. >> >> My company in north sydney is open on weekends and I've received approval >> for using computers and guest WiFi. Also informal approval for getting pizza >> and drinks (non alcoholic). >> >> Need a bit more approval from management to let strangers in the office (I >> will be liable, obviously) but I suspect I can host. >> >> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >> >> Original Message >> On 18 Mar. 2019, 2:34 pm, David Wales < daviewa...@disroot.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ben and Dion, >>> >>> Saturdays are normally good, but I'm moving house on the 23rd! >>> So if that's the date, I won't be able to make it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> David Wales >>> >>> On 18/3/19 1:29 pm, Ben Kelley wrote: >>>> Practically it will probably need to be a weekday evening, as we are not >>>> open on the weekend. >>>> >>>> Also it will need to be a time I can make it. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> - Ben Kelley >>>> >>>> On 18/3/19 13:03, Dion Moult wrote: >>>>> Hey Ben! Thanks for the option! >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to tentatively suggest meeting this Saturday, 23rd March, >>>>> say after lunch, so 2:30pm? Just for a very informal mapping session >>>>> to see how things go, doesn't have to be a large crowd or anything? >>>>> >>>>> Ben, do you think it will be possible for us to use your office at >>>>> that time? I do not have a laptop, so I'm not sure if computers can be >>>>> used, or if that is against company policy? >>>>> >>>>> My company in North Sydney, walking distance from the train station, >>>>> offers wifi, but although I've started asking internally, there is a >>>>> little red tape before they might say yes to anything like providing >>>>> refreshments and allowing strangers in the office. Although I think >>>>> they might support this. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Very cool NSW transport real time map
Just thought I'd share this very cool real time map of transport in NSW that I found online - don't know who is behind it but it's awesome! And yes, it has OSM as a background. https://www.bgtdevhub.com/TfNSW/index.html Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
Hi Sigurjon! Welcome to talk-au OSM! Really happy to see TfNSW involvement! David and I are doing the NSW address import in our spare time here and there :) Always happy for more people to join. https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import It'd be good if you could join the meetup to say hi - you can mark yourself as "not attending" but at least then you will be on the list so I can send updates when there is another meetup: https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/ Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, 19 March 2019 11:41 AM, Runarsson, Sigurjon wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public transport > modes including walking. So our main focus atm is to enhance the data > around interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors as well > as outdoors. Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all attributes > within the osm database based on internal and external feedback. > > Guidelines – I would say that we need more assistance/guidance from the osm > users like yourself in most instances:) but yes we would contribute in > discussion and wiki if needed. > > Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we feel > that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly maintain the > data like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the users how to > map ie naming a bus stop. So based on that we are now actively working on > getting approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular so we can > proceed. If successful, more datasets would follow. > > Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like suburbs > and address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular basis as > more and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into their > products. Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path. > > I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s). In the > meantime please let us know if you have specific questions related to public > transport. > > Defiantly interested in regular local meetups. Unfortunately cannot make the > 30 March. > > Regards, > > Sigurjon > > From: Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de] > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Runarsson, Sigurjon; talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW) > > Hi Sigurjon, > Welcome and thanks for reaching out. > I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm > wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is > focusing on in their contributions? > > Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping examples > for e.g. bus stops? > > Regards Sebastian > PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread. > > On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" > wrote: > > Hi all, > > My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data > Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many > digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team > are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis on > quality and efficiency. > > The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve > OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip > Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through > review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching > day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of > customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders. > > You can find further information on our wiki page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW > > Please don’t hesitate to contact me on > sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au, > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox and > another member of the team will endeavour to help you: > timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au > > Thanks, > > Sigurjon > > This email is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential > information. If you receive this email in error please delete it and any > attachments and notify the sender immediately by reply email. Transport for > NSW takes all care to ensure that attachments are free from viruses or other > defects. Transport for NSW assume no liability for any loss, damage or other > consequences which may arise from opening or using an attachment. > > P Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless really &
Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Hey all! I've started an event here: https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/ If you could sign up or comment there I can change the venue and time easily without spamming the talk-au list. I've changed the date to 30th March Saturday . it would also allow me to know who is coming and what to cater for if we get food. My company in north sydney is open on weekends and I've received approval for using computers and guest WiFi. Also informal approval for getting pizza and drinks (non alcoholic). Need a bit more approval from management to let strangers in the office (I will be liable, obviously) but I suspect I can host. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 18 Mar. 2019, 2:34 pm, David Wales wrote: > Hi Ben and Dion, > > Saturdays are normally good, but I'm moving house on the 23rd! > So if that's the date, I won't be able to make it. > > Regards, > David Wales > > On 18/3/19 1:29 pm, Ben Kelley wrote: >> Practically it will probably need to be a weekday evening, as we are not >> open on the weekend. >> >> Also it will need to be a time I can make it. :) >> >> >> - Ben Kelley >> >> On 18/3/19 13:03, Dion Moult wrote: >>> Hey Ben! Thanks for the option! >>> >>> I'm going to tentatively suggest meeting this Saturday, 23rd March, >>> say after lunch, so 2:30pm? Just for a very informal mapping session >>> to see how things go, doesn't have to be a large crowd or anything? >>> >>> Ben, do you think it will be possible for us to use your office at >>> that time? I do not have a laptop, so I'm not sure if computers can be >>> used, or if that is against company policy? >>> >>> My company in North Sydney, walking distance from the train station, >>> offers wifi, but although I've started asking internally, there is a >>> little red tape before they might say yes to anything like providing >>> refreshments and allowing strangers in the office. Although I think >>> they might support this. >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >>> >>> > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Hey Ben! Thanks for the option! I'm going to tentatively suggest meeting this Saturday, 23rd March, say after lunch, so 2:30pm? Just for a very informal mapping session to see how things go, doesn't have to be a large crowd or anything? Ben, do you think it will be possible for us to use your office at that time? I do not have a laptop, so I'm not sure if computers can be used, or if that is against company policy? My company in North Sydney, walking distance from the train station, offers wifi, but although I've started asking internally, there is a little red tape before they might say yes to anything like providing refreshments and allowing strangers in the office. Although I think they might support this. Sent from ProtonMail mobile___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Thanks for all the responses! Interested people in joining: - Dion Moult (myself) - David Anderson (coworker at HDR) - David Wales - Sebastian Currently Ritva is helping contact EWB to see if they are interested in running one in Sydney (as Engineers Without Borders is helping run one in Brisbane) We are in need of an experienced mapper who can guide us in cases of uncertainty :) I wonder, if prior to a larger event we are keen to simply just meet up casually for a weekend afternoon somewhere in Sydney and do some mapping together to see how we fare? If things work out well that might give us a bit of confidence to grow the group and do it a bit more regularly :) Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 11 Mar. 2019, 5:08 pm, Sebastian wrote: > Hello Dion, > Hello all, > > I am also interested in a mapathon as well as connecting with other > mappers on the Northern Beaches. > > With regards to experience I am not sure where I should place myself. > Have mapped a few things but I'm learning something new most days. > > Regards, > Sebastian > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Thanks! I've submitted the slack form and will wait for an email perhaps to be invited into the channel. I'm not personally aware of NGOs in the area but I'll ask around. It sounds like a great idea ! See you on slack when I get invited ! Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 11 Mar. 2019, 10:11 am, Edoardo Neerhut wrote: > Hi Dion, > > Glad to hear interest in some Missing Maps mapping in Sydney. > > We've run quite a few humanitarian events in Melbourne now and one thing that > really helped was getting on board a relevant partner. In our case, The > Global Health Alliance Melbourne has assisted by providing a venue, helping > to promote, and bringing on board partner institutions who can give insights > into some of the places we're mapping remotely. > > There are probably a lot of international NGOs with offices in Sydney who > would love to participate. > > As Phil said, happy to chat over Slack and bounce ideas. > > Cheers, > > Ed > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 09:47, Phil Wyatt wrote: > >> There are also a few folks in NSW on the Maptime Oceania Slack channel – >> maybe jump on there as well if you need some assistance. >> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdblsyijB0WB9PYZw6EdVUAyaiNRFeWoNimi3haasGRPi6TVQ/viewform >> >> From: David Wales [mailto:daviewa...@disroot.org] >> Sent: Monday, 11 March 2019 9:38 AM >> To: OSM-Au >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon >> >> Hi Dion, >> >> I would be interested in participating. >> I don't know of I count as experienced, but I'm happy to help any newbies! >> >> Regards, >> David Wales >> >> On 11 March 2019 8:05:58 am AEDT, Dion Moult wrote: >> >> Good morning all! >> >> I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how they >> organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane. >> >> I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing maps >> (http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events listed in >> the Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?) >> >> I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a >> mapathon, and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead >> such a mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when >> mapping things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the >> satellite images). I think there will be some the architecture company I >> work at who would be interested in participating, and although I can't speak >> for WSP, they have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested in >> joining. I can help organise things like venue and catering. >> >> Thoughts? Volunteers? >> >> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Sydney mapathon
Good morning all! I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how they organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane. I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing maps (http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events listed in the Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?) I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a mapathon, and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead such a mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when mapping things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the satellite images). I think there will be some the architecture company I work at who would be interested in participating, and although I can't speak for WSP, they have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested in joining. I can help organise things like venue and catering. Thoughts? Volunteers? Sent from ProtonMail mobile___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW LPI address import
G'day Joel! Yes, suburbs sit in that folder for a minimum of 2 weeks to allow peer comments, and then we upload if there are no issues. You can read more here: https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import daviewales is working on some great scripts to improve the import process, so we might need to update the README :) Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 17 Feb. 2019, 11:55 pm, Joel H. wrote: > If all is well with the data, Do we upload? > > P.S. I'm still in the middle of Brisbane City's import, so I can't help right > now, But I'll jump in later in the month. > > On 11/2/19 7:28 am, Dion Moult wrote: > >> Hey talk-au, >> >> This is just a reminder that the NSW LPI address import project is still >> going on, and that you can review any datasets in the following repo. Some >> of the manual steps have been automated a little bit more thanks to great >> work by David Wales, but it is still a human review process at the end of >> the day so we are doing a bit here a bit there. >> >> https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import/tree/master/review >> >> Gitlab has a subscribe feature somewhere I think. >> >> A list of suburbs that are currently in the review directory are as follows: >> >> Camellia, Concord West, Denistone East, Denistone West, Denistone, East >> Ryde, Galston, Harris Park, Liberty Grove, Meadowbank, Melrose Park, >> Newington, North Ryde, Tahmoor. >> >> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >> >> Original Message >> On 18 Dec. 2018, 11:07 pm, David Wales < daviewa...@disroot.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Dion, >>> >>> I'll get back to the repo in the next day or so. I had a quick look, and it >>> seemed pretty comprehensive, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. >>> >>> Andrew, I could make a custom OsmAnd map with address data, but it would >>> spoil the point of using OsmAnd for me! I use it because it motivates me to >>> improve Open Street Map! >>> >>> On 18 December 2018 12:05:28 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey >>> [](mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com) wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 23:38, Dion Moult >>>> [](mailto:d...@thinkmoult.com) >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I also use OsmAnd a lot and lack of addresses is a big bugbear! Admittedly >>>>> sometimes I cheat and search for the address on an app called >>>>> "Transportr" on >>>>> the F-Droid store before I do my routing in OsmAnd, but I digress. >>>> >>>> You could process the GNAF address points data into OsmAnd using [1] >>>> and [2], so you get full address support without needing to actually >>>> import anything into OSM. I did this and it works okay. >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmAndMapCreator >>>> [2] >>>> https://github.com/openaddresses/oa2osm >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Talk-au mailing list >>>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW LPI address import
Hey talk-au, This is just a reminder that the NSW LPI address import project is still going on, and that you can review any datasets in the following repo. Some of the manual steps have been automated a little bit more thanks to great work by David Wales, but it is still a human review process at the end of the day so we are doing a bit here a bit there. https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import/tree/master/review Gitlab has a subscribe feature somewhere I think. A list of suburbs that are currently in the review directory are as follows: Camellia, Concord West, Denistone East, Denistone West, Denistone, East Ryde, Galston, Harris Park, Liberty Grove, Meadowbank, Melrose Park, Newington, North Ryde, Tahmoor. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 18 Dec. 2018, 11:07 pm, David Wales wrote: > Thanks Dion, > > I'll get back to the repo in the next day or so. I had a quick look, and it > seemed pretty comprehensive, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. > > Andrew, I could make a custom OsmAnd map with address data, but it would > spoil the point of using OsmAnd for me! I use it because it motivates me to > improve Open Street Map! > > On 18 December 2018 12:05:28 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 23:38, Dion Moult wrote: >> >>> I also use OsmAnd a lot and lack of addresses is a big bugbear! Admittedly >>> >>> sometimes I cheat and search for the address on an app called "Transportr" >>> on >>> >>> the F-Droid store before I do my routing in OsmAnd, but I digress. >> >> You could process the GNAF address points data into OsmAnd using [1] >> >> and [2], so you get full address support without needing to actually >> >> import anything into OSM. I did this and it works okay. >> >> [1] >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmAndMapCreator >> >> [2] >> https://github.com/openaddresses/oa2osm >> --- >> >> Talk-au mailing list >> >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection
G'day all! In the intersection of Liverpool road and Burwood road in Burwood, Sydney (see attached), if I am travelling in the direction shown by the red arrow, then my GPS device should tell me to continue and drive straight at the intersection. However, because at that junction, the map splits up Liverpool Road into two roads, OSMAnd tells me to turn left there, which is quite confusing. What is the appropriate way to fix this mapping? Or is it a problem with OSMAnd? Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping opportunities along the Great North Walk
Wow! Absolutely did not know about that site, and I apologise for not checking thoroughly otherwise I would've seen that a route already existed. I've updated the article (https://thinkmoult.com/map-of-the-great-north-walk-sydney-to-newcastle.html) to include the full route as provided by OSM. I've also included more credits and copyright information about OSM. I will continue to host that page, and will add some of my own hiking notes on to it, and will definitely add any useful small details (already added a couple drinking water taps to OSM!). I was surprised when I searched for "the great north walk map" online and didn't immediately find a single comprehensive map, so hopefully this'll point more people in the right direction, and also make people realise what a great resource OSM is! On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:08:01PM +1100, Josh Marshall wrote: >OSM routes for bushwalking, MTBs, cycling, horse riding, skiing can all >be found on that site [1]https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/ if they >are tagged as routes in OSM. > >That site is great, thanks! I’ve been held back from adding all the >walking routes as relations around here (Newcastle) because of a lack >of a way to share them with others. I see that the Bathers Way is there >but incomplete so I’ll go fix that now. > > References > > 1. https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/ -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Mapping opportunities along the Great North Walk
G'day all! I've started walking the Great North Walk and was miffed that I couldn't immediately find a good online map showing the full route from Sydney to Newcastle. Instead I found incredibly difficult to navigate websites, paywalled online maps, and maps split up into many smaller pages. I decided to walk it myself and create a map for it here: https://thinkmoult.com/map-of-the-great-north-walk-sydney-to-newcastle.html Out of curiosity, I was wondering what things I can help map while I'm on this route? I am not currently aware of a single "route" / multi-line in the OSM database that describes the Great North Walk. I considered mapping the sign posts, but they are quite plenty and probably of little benefit. Any ideas? -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW LPI address import
Cheers David, I've responded on the bugtracker and also updated the README with hoepfully a very detailed step by step guide. Please check it out and let me know on the bugtracker if it makes sense :) I also use OsmAnd a lot and lack of addresses is a big bugbear! Admittedly sometimes I cheat and search for the address on an app called "Transportr" on the F-Droid store before I do my routing in OsmAnd, but I digress. On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 09:48:47PM +1100, David Wales wrote: >Thanks Dion! >Addresses for NSW are my primary mission at the moment. I use OsmAnd >exclusively on my phone for navigation, and the only thing I really >miss is the lack of address data. > >On 17 December 2018 7:40:33 pm AEDT, Dion Moult >wrote: > > Hi David! > Sorry that I've been AWOL - I'll update the repository and respond to all your > posted issues and merge requests. I guess I have not been receiving email > notifications and so I didn't know there was activity on the repository. > I've been uploading them part of my own account, but tagging them as follow: > `source=source:import=NSW LPI Web Services` > This is an example changeset: > [1]https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/6235620 > 1#map=15/-33.7889/151.0845 > I'll post a little HOWTO later tonight on how to import in the repo and > respond > to your bug report, as I've streamlined the process somewhat after some trial > and error, and the code in import.py is no longer an efficient way to do > things. > Cheers, let me know how things go. > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 05:39:13PM +1100, David Wales wrote: > > Thanks Andrew, > I'll make sure to tag them as part of the NSW LPI address import. > I'll also make sure that no hand mapped addresses are lost or > duplicated. > Do I need to create a new account for this import, or is it OK to > upload under my own account, provided it is properly tagged? > On 17 December 2018 5:30:27 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > Hi David, > The process Dion set up is a valid way to contribute (at the same > time > you're not restricted to only using that approach). > From my point of view, so long as > 1. these changesets are somehow tagged or noted as being part of the > NSW LPI Address import > 2. addresses which are already mapped in OSM are not lost in the > process, since these are potentially more accurate, and potentially > more ground truthed > then it's fine to proceed as you see fit. > On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 11:00, David Wales > wrote: > Hello Talk-AU, > I sent this message earlier with the subject âHello!â, but somehow > it got PGP encrypted on the way! > So, here it is again, hopefully not encrypted. > I am an Australian mapper, interested in participating in the NSW > LPI address import. > I have found the wiki page, along with the talk-au discussion and > the imports list discussion. > I have also found Dion Moultâs address import repository on Gitlab. > I have started reviewing the changesets listed in the review > directory by opening new issues in the repository for any issues I > find. > Once I have reviewed a changeset, and fixed any issues, should I > upload it to OSM and submit a pull request to fix the changeset and > move it to the âuploadedâ directory? Or does it need more review > than that? > Regards, > David Wales >___ > > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > [1]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > References > 1. [2]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > References > >1. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62356201#map=15/-33.7889/151.0845 >2. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW LPI address import
Hi David! Sorry that I've been AWOL - I'll update the repository and respond to all your posted issues and merge requests. I guess I have not been receiving email notifications and so I didn't know there was activity on the repository. I've been uploading them part of my own account, but tagging them as follow: `source=source:import=NSW LPI Web Services` This is an example changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62356201#map=15/-33.7889/151.0845 I'll post a little HOWTO later tonight on how to import in the repo and respond to your bug report, as I've streamlined the process somewhat after some trial and error, and the code in import.py is no longer an efficient way to do things. Cheers, let me know how things go. On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 05:39:13PM +1100, David Wales wrote: >Thanks Andrew, >I'll make sure to tag them as part of the NSW LPI address import. >I'll also make sure that no hand mapped addresses are lost or >duplicated. >Do I need to create a new account for this import, or is it OK to >upload under my own account, provided it is properly tagged? > >On 17 December 2018 5:30:27 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > > Hi David, > The process Dion set up is a valid way to contribute (at the same time > you're not restricted to only using that approach). > From my point of view, so long as > 1. these changesets are somehow tagged or noted as being part of the > NSW LPI Address import > 2. addresses which are already mapped in OSM are not lost in the > process, since these are potentially more accurate, and potentially > more ground truthed > then it's fine to proceed as you see fit. > On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 11:00, David Wales wrote: > > Hello Talk-AU, > I sent this message earlier with the subject âHello!â, but somehow > it got PGP encrypted on the way! > So, here it is again, hopefully not encrypted. > I am an Australian mapper, interested in participating in the NSW > LPI address import. > I have found the wiki page, along with the talk-au discussion and > the imports list discussion. > I have also found Dion Moultâs address import repository on Gitlab. > I have started reviewing the changesets listed in the review > directory by opening new issues in the repository for any issues I > find. > Once I have reviewed a changeset, and fixed any issues, should I > upload it to OSM and submit a pull request to fix the changeset and > move it to the âuploadedâ directory? Or does it need more review > than that? > Regards, > David Wales >___ > > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > [1]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > References > >1. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Dion Moult ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Use of map data with no copyright?
It is also my understanding that lack of mention of a license means no license, which means copyrighted by default: https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/ Dion Moult Original Message On 5 Oct. 2018, 12:17 pm, cleary wrote: > It is my understanding that copyright exists whether or not there is a > copyright notice on a document/item. Unless someone with more legal > knowledge has better information, I would say that copying is not permitted > unless we go through the usual permisison process. > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On holidays last week & went into the local tourist info centre. >> >> Picked up a map showing various food & accommodation attractions in the >> area, together with a fairly detailed map of the region. >> >> I've gone over the entire sheet of paper & there is not one mention of >> "copyright" anywhere on it! >> >> In that case, are we allowed to copy details? >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Thoughts on highway=toll_gantry proposal
Sounds good to me :) Dion Moult Original Message On 1 Oct. 2018, 9:19 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I supported the proposal, and see no harm in adding the tag on top of > the existing barrier=toll_both tag for the immediate future. It will > be nice to be able to distinguish these automated tolling points and > the manual ones where you need to stop at (now mostly reserved for > national parks, private car park etc.) > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:42, Joel H. wrote: >> >> I have been using the barrier=toll_booth to mark automatic toll systems >> on Brisbane highways. However this may introduce time penalties for the >> routing systems. >> >> A proposal is in for highway=toll_gantry >> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Toll_Gantry) >> >> It attempts to map the locations of the automatic toll systems while >> differentiating them from traditional booths. >> >> Would the mappers in Australia be happy with this tagging? I'm happy so far. >> >> >> --Joel >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au](> href=)">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au]( href=)">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Where did we get suburb boundary lines in NSW?
Good morning all, In OSM in NSW there are administrative boundary lines which are marked as suburb boundaries and have names. I assume a long time ago these were imported from a government dataset, as tracing the LPI basemap would be very tedious. Where can I find the primary source (i.e. government dataset) for this data? I'd like to compile a list of suburbs and bounding boxes to help add some structure to the address import project. Dion Moult___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
You're absolutely right! The devil is in the detail. By the way, I've made a start in Epping, which is a suburb I am familiar with. I've posted about it in the imports mailing list, so I look forward to comments on it there! For those who aren't subscribed to the imports mailing list, here is a link to the message online: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2018-July/005554.html Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 20, 2018 9:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 20/06/18 20:50, Dion Moult wrote: > > > So I get the impression that everybody on this list seems pretty cool with > > the approach of using this script to aid in ensuring that the points > > entered in JOSM have good coordinates and have correct addresses to the > > best knowledge of the armchair mapper. It clearly isn't a waterfall import. > > If there are no more objections, on Friday I'll send an email to the > > imports mailing list describing the approach. Given that the script can be > > run by anyone and is not part of a bulk import that is done by a single > > user, I agree that we need some way to connote the source. However instead > > of a tag, why don't we just add a `source:import=NSW LPI Web Services` to > > the changeset? That way anybody seeing the history will know. > > > > Given that there are 3.8 million addresses in total in NSW, assuming it > > took 1 second for somebody to add an address, it would take 440 days of > > non-stop work to add every single address. This is not exactly an exciting > > task! We can probably cover the city and immediate suburbs relatively > > quickly, but maybe it is worthwhile investigating the bulk import a bit > > more. Perhaps once Andrew Harvey finishes his work on openaddresses, we can > > use that data dump and follow the New Zealand approach of importing bit by > > bit - we can divide the dataset into an alphabetical list of suburbs, and > > then treat each suburb's import separately. > > > > Ideas? > > All sounds fine. The devil is in the detail. > > I'd chose a suburb you are familiar with and do that .. even just a part of > it and see what happens. > > And yes it is not exciting, and very time consuming. However it is usefull. > > Once it is proven then I'd target those areas of most demand ... the CBDs of > major centres, tourist areas, hotels, shopping centres etc. That will get > most people happy most of the time. > > The low use bits .. well that will take quite some time. > > Most of the roads are now entered, so finding freds house in a street won't > be too hard once you have found that street - traffic should be light. So I > don't see that as a high priority. > > I think 1 second per address is optimistic. > > And people will get sick of it. So there will be a sporadic participation > rate. Could be wrong. > > > Dion Moult > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On June 18, 2018 9:23 PM, Dion Moult wrote: > > > > > On June 18, 2018 8:56 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 18/06/18 20:30, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 18 June 2018 at 19:21, Dion Moult wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Andrew for your reply! > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thanks for the link to the import guidelines. My responses to > > > > > > the import guidelines below: > > > > > > > > > > First up I think any changesets that import addresses in this way > > > > > should have an extra changeset tag so if we need to we can identify > > > > > which changesets did the import (so more than just source=LPI NSW > > > > > Base Map). Something like import=NSW Address Points or something. > > > > > > > > source:import=LPI API via ?? something like that? > > > > > > Sure thing, I would be happy to if that is the appropriate thing to do :) > > > > > > > > I'm not sure about separating the address with a ";" like > > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/593297556/history#map=19/-33.78072/151.06688=N, > > > > > could they not be two separate points? If it's a duplex, then I'd do > > > > > it as a single building with addr:housenumber=11, then if you want > > > > > two nodes inside the building for 11A and 11B. > > > > > > > > I have had separate buildings for A and B - share a common wall. In > > > > some instances I have 11 then
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
So I get the impression that everybody on this list seems pretty cool with the approach of using this script to aid in ensuring that the points entered in JOSM have good coordinates and have correct addresses to the best knowledge of the armchair mapper. It clearly isn't a waterfall import. If there are no more objections, on Friday I'll send an email to the imports mailing list describing the approach. Given that the script can be run by anyone and is not part of a bulk import that is done by a single user, I agree that we need some way to connote the source. However instead of a tag, why don't we just add a `source:import=NSW LPI Web Services` to the changeset? That way anybody seeing the history will know. Given that there are 3.8 million addresses in total in NSW, assuming it took 1 second for somebody to add an address, it would take 440 days of non-stop work to add every single address. This is not exactly an exciting task! We can probably cover the city and immediate suburbs relatively quickly, but maybe it is worthwhile investigating the bulk import a bit more. Perhaps once Andrew Harvey finishes his work on openaddresses, we can use that data dump and follow the New Zealand approach of importing bit by bit - we can divide the dataset into an alphabetical list of suburbs, and then treat each suburb's import separately. Ideas? Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 18, 2018 9:23 PM, Dion Moult wrote: > On June 18, 2018 8:56 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 18/06/18 20:30, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> >>> On 18 June 2018 at 19:21, Dion Moult wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Andrew for your reply! >>>> >>>> 1. Thanks for the link to the import guidelines. My responses to the >>>> import guidelines below: >>> >>> First up I think any changesets that import addresses in this way should >>> have an extra changeset tag so if we need to we can identify which >>> changesets did the import (so more than just source=LPI NSW Base Map). >>> Something like import=NSW Address Points or something. >> >> source:import=LPI API via ?? something like that? > > Sure thing, I would be happy to if that is the appropriate thing to do :) > >>> I'm not sure about separating the address with a ";" like >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/593297556/history#map=19/-33.78072/151.06688=N, >>> could they not be two separate points? If it's a duplex, then I'd do it as >>> a single building with addr:housenumber=11, then if you want two nodes >>> inside the building for 11A and 11B. >> >> I have had separate buildings for A and B - share a common wall. In some >> instances I have 11 then 11A .. but no B. > > Thanks for the advice! I've fixed it to use two nodes. However, please note > that that particular building was not mapped as part of my import script > proposal. That was mapped previously by me completely manually. If I had used > the import script it would have created two nodes, one for 11A and one for > 11B. > >>> While I don't think there's anything wrong with 2/18 as a first pass, eg >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5667899003, I think it's better to use >>> addr:unit=2 addr:housenumber=18. > > Thanks :) I was wondering what was a better way of doing that. Fixed :) Again > as above this was mapped manually by me and not using the script. > >>>> 1. I am aware that big automatic updates can cause problems. I will only >>>> import addr:housenumber and addr:street and a single node. >>> >>> What are you planning on doing where the address in already in OSM? I think >>> in this case we should just not import that point and leave the existing >>> OSM addresses. >> >> Depends .. I have come across addresses that were out of sequence. Contacted >> the still active mapper (moved to Germany) and had not response .. after >> some months I have simple deleted them. >> So it is worth checking that the new data is is not 'better' than the >> present OSM data. > > With my proposal of a semi-automated approach, every single new address will > have to be explicitly decided upon by a human mapper. A human mapper can > decide when to import the point if the existing data look bad (based off the > LPI Base Map raster background) and when to leave the existing OSM addresses. > >>> >>> >>>> 2. Yes, you are absolutely right that this is not a huge automatic import >>>> - it relies on a human choosing what addresses to add and a human >>>> submitting it as a change. All it does it automate the address lookup and >>
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
On June 18, 2018 8:56 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 18/06/18 20:30, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >> On 18 June 2018 at 19:21, Dion Moult wrote: >> >>> Thanks Andrew for your reply! >>> >>> 1. Thanks for the link to the import guidelines. My responses to the import >>> guidelines below: >> >> First up I think any changesets that import addresses in this way should >> have an extra changeset tag so if we need to we can identify which >> changesets did the import (so more than just source=LPI NSW Base Map). >> Something like import=NSW Address Points or something. > > source:import=LPI API via ?? something like that? Sure thing, I would be happy to if that is the appropriate thing to do :) >> I'm not sure about separating the address with a ";" like >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/593297556/history#map=19/-33.78072/151.06688=N, >> could they not be two separate points? If it's a duplex, then I'd do it as >> a single building with addr:housenumber=11, then if you want two nodes >> inside the building for 11A and 11B. > > I have had separate buildings for A and B - share a common wall. In some > instances I have 11 then 11A .. but no B. Thanks for the advice! I've fixed it to use two nodes. However, please note that that particular building was not mapped as part of my import script proposal. That was mapped previously by me completely manually. If I had used the import script it would have created two nodes, one for 11A and one for 11B. >> While I don't think there's anything wrong with 2/18 as a first pass, eg >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5667899003, I think it's better to use >> addr:unit=2 addr:housenumber=18. Thanks :) I was wondering what was a better way of doing that. Fixed :) Again as above this was mapped manually by me and not using the script. >>> 1. I am aware that big automatic updates can cause problems. I will only >>> import addr:housenumber and addr:street and a single node. >> >> What are you planning on doing where the address in already in OSM? I think >> in this case we should just not import that point and leave the existing OSM >> addresses. > > Depends .. I have come across addresses that were out of sequence. Contacted > the still active mapper (moved to Germany) and had not response .. after some > months I have simple deleted them. > So it is worth checking that the new data is is not 'better' than the present > OSM data. With my proposal of a semi-automated approach, every single new address will have to be explicitly decided upon by a human mapper. A human mapper can decide when to import the point if the existing data look bad (based off the LPI Base Map raster background) and when to leave the existing OSM addresses. >> >> >>> 2. Yes, you are absolutely right that this is not a huge automatic import - >>> it relies on a human choosing what addresses to add and a human submitting >>> it as a change. All it does it automate the address lookup and make sure >>> that the node is neatly positioned at the correct location. >> >>> 3. It looks like you're grabbing their entire dataset. That would be the >>> alternative approach, doing a data dump, then importing that dump. This can >>> import a lot more addresses, but is also much more complex. Is it worth >>> pursuing? What do you reckon? >> >> Oh I'm not suggesting that. It makes sense for the OpenAddresses project to >> use a complete extract, but as you might have seen in the openaddresses >> ticket there's a lot of problems trying to dump the data, so your approach >> of doing it bit by bit should work much better for an OSM import. Sounds good! Sorry for the misunderstanding :) >> >> >>> 4. It seems odd that they would provide an API but would prevent anything >>> from using it. >>> 5. Looks like they are doing the big data import. See 3. >> >> Not quite, they did it using the approach you've described, broken it down >> into pices and manually imported everything. > > It might be good to do one section and let people have a look at it? > I do think you'll find it repetitive. Maybe take a break and map something > else for a while. > > Good Luck. Yes, an incremental approach followed by regular review sounds good.___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
Thanks Andrew for your reply! 1. Thanks for the link to the import guidelines. My responses to the import guidelines below: 1. I am aware that big automatic updates can cause problems. I will only import addr:housenumber and addr:street and a single node. 2. Yep, sending to talk-au mailing list. 3. I think we have the appropriate license. >=4. Looking for more feedback on talk-au first :) 2. Yes, you are absolutely right that this is not a huge automatic import - it relies on a human choosing what addresses to add and a human submitting it as a change. All it does it automate the address lookup and make sure that the node is neatly positioned at the correct location. 3. It looks like you're grabbing their entire dataset. That would be the alternative approach, doing a data dump, then importing that dump. This can import a lot more addresses, but is also much more complex. Is it worth pursuing? What do you reckon? 4. It seems odd that they would provide an API but would prevent anything from using it. 5. Looks like they are doing the big data import. See 3. Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 17, 2018 9:57 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I few thoughts: > > 1. If you're planning an Import, and you haven't already read up on > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines > > 2. I like the idea of doing this semi-manually in JOSM. I'm against a > completely automated import because we have addresses already in OSM from > surveys which should be retained (and avoid having duplicates dumped on top). > > 3. I know you've got your scripts working already, but you still might be > interested in how we're trying to pull out addresses via the LPI Web Services > as CC BY 3.0 AU data for OpenAddresses.io at > https://github.com/openaddresses/openaddresses/pull/3977 > > 4. We are still bound by the Terms and Conditions of using the web services > at > http://spatialservices.finance.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/terms_and_conditions > specifically "2.1.6. use any robot, spider, site search/retrieval > application, or other device to retrieve or index any portion of the SWS". > I've asked LPI about this before and was told it was okay as long as usage > didn't affect other users, they were thankful that I asked first though. The > way you're using the API I think is okay, but best to play it safe and be > friendly with LPI on what we're doing in light of this clause. > > 5. The NZ community have been importing their national LINZ data, might be > worth reading up on > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2017-June/005014.html to > see if there's anything we could learn from their work. > > On 17 June 2018 at 19:00, Dion Moult wrote: > >> I had another look at the LPI resource and would like to propose a way of >> importing address data from LPI, because clearly sitting there for months on >> end armchair mapping the LPI Base Map as a raster underlay in JOSM is >> incredibly inefficient. Also, given that I am proposing an import, I would >> really appreciate community feedback to make sure I don't do anything wrong. >> First, I've looked at these two pages on usage of the LPI base map: >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data >> >> It seems to me that we can use any of the data from >> http://spatialservices.finance.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services >> to put data into OSM as long as we add it to that contributors page and >> note the LPI as a source. Specifically, we want to import a node that >> contains addr:housenumber and addr:street for every single property in NSW. >> >> Unfortunately it seems as though their API doesn't have any function to give >> a DB dump of addresses inside a bounding box. However it does have two >> functions, one which allows you to query a coordinate and it'll tell you >> what is the closest address at that point at a screen resolution (slightly >> archaic, yes), and another function which allows you to submit an address >> and it'll tell you what the government thinks is the centroid of the >> property with that address. So if you whack a bunch of points in JOSM that >> are within the bounds of a property based off the LPI NSW Base Map as a >> raster layer in JOSM, you can do Edit->Copy Coordinates in JOSM, dump it in >> a file, and use a script I wrote which will query the LPI web services to >> find the address, then query it again to find the proper centroid lat/long, >> then create a CSV of points and addresses which you can import into JOSM. >> Here's
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
I had another look at the LPI resource and would like to propose a way of importing address data from LPI, because clearly sitting there for months on end armchair mapping the LPI Base Map as a raster underlay in JOSM is incredibly inefficient. Also, given that I am proposing an import, I would really appreciate community feedback to make sure I don't do anything wrong. First, I've looked at these two pages on usage of the LPI base map: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data It seems to me that we can use any of the data from http://spatialservices.finance.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services to put data into OSM as long as we add it to that contributors page and note the LPI as a source. Specifically, we want to import a node that contains addr:housenumber and addr:street for every single property in NSW. Unfortunately it seems as though their API doesn't have any function to give a DB dump of addresses inside a bounding box. However it does have two functions, one which allows you to query a coordinate and it'll tell you what is the closest address at that point at a screen resolution (slightly archaic, yes), and another function which allows you to submit an address and it'll tell you what the government thinks is the centroid of the property with that address. So if you whack a bunch of points in JOSM that are within the bounds of a property based off the LPI NSW Base Map as a raster layer in JOSM, you can do Edit->Copy Coordinates in JOSM, dump it in a file, and use a script I wrote which will query the LPI web services to find the address, then query it again to find the proper centroid lat/long, then create a CSV of points and addresses which you can import into JOSM. Here's the script with sample input and sample output: https://gist.github.com/Moult/5821c74fb792b7afa5d758aebea68e40 ... this is the changeset I produced with this small test sample: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59909707 With this method I reckon you can quite quickly and accurately import addresses for a suburb. Note that this only imports nodes. It is up to somebody else to draw buildings and so on. Note that this uses two web services, the NSW Address Location Service and the NSW Property Service. The former is already credited in the contributors page, but the latter is not yet - it will have to be added, I suspect. Looking forward to any feedback! Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 17, 2018 3:14 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > For knowing "whats mapped" at a high level, I like http://qa.poole.ch - I > believe it has filters for unmapped addresses. > > On the ground stuff - streetcomplete does really well at prompting for things > without address, highly recommend. > > Setting up a task manager instance; I reckon it could make a lot of sense for > us as a community. We seem to be a small group who punch above our weight in > terms of how spread out we are but have much we have mapped. > Alternatively, maproulette tasks. > > It seems to work well for US imports of address/buildings/etc; and its > reasonable to expect that: > - One day; the gnaf will be suitable for import or > - LPI Basemap NSW addresses or otger data.gov.au imports for an entire > town/area/etc make sense. > - There will be communities within the AU mapping crowd with focuses > (camping; cycling; tourism; public transport spring to mind) > > Looking at https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/blob/develop/README.md > it seems like python/postgres are the main server hosting requirements. > > On Sun, 17 Jun. 2018, 11:17 am Dion Moult, wrote: > >> Wow, seems a little overkill to put the task there where it seems the >> objective is for humanitarian needs :) Australian house addresses are hardly >> humanitarian in nature :) >> >> Dion Moult >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On June 17, 2018 9:30 AM, Phil Wyatt wrote: >> >>> You could put a project up on the HOT Task manager as a low priority and >>> then send folks the link >>> >>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL >>> >>> Cheers - Phil, >>> On the road with his iPad >>> >>> On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:29 pm, Dion Moult wrote: >>> >>>> As a continuation of this thread just wondering if there was a way to >>>> divide up Sydney into a grid and automatically check the progress of >>>> whether that zone has been mapped or not. Is there a standard approach for >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Dion Moult >>>> >>>> Original Message >>>> On 6 Jun 201
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
Wow, seems a little overkill to put the task there where it seems the objective is for humanitarian needs :) Australian house addresses are hardly humanitarian in nature :) Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 17, 2018 9:30 AM, Phil Wyatt wrote: > You could put a project up on the HOT Task manager as a low priority and then > send folks the link > > https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL > > Cheers - Phil, > On the road with his iPad > > On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:29 pm, Dion Moult wrote: > >> As a continuation of this thread just wondering if there was a way to divide >> up Sydney into a grid and automatically check the progress of whether that >> zone has been mapped or not. Is there a standard approach for this? >> >> Dion Moult >> >> Original Message >> On 6 Jun 2018, 09:39, Warin < 61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 06/06/18 08:51, Dion Moult wrote: >>>> Thanks Andrew et all, >>>> >>>> Yes, I have used the ESRI imagery layer. Thanks for the heads up of the >>>> LPI base map. Before I go too far, can one of you please look at the work >>>> I've done so far if I'm doing things correctly? Here is a small sample in >>>> the suburb of Epping that I have traced houses and added addresses: >>>> >>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.78071/151.06628 >>>> >>>> In that scenario I did not trace off the LPI imagery, but instead traced >>>> off ESRI. I noticed if I enable the LPI imagery, the houses don't line up. >>>> Should this be fixed? If so, what's the best way? >>> >>> Any imagery can have a 'offset' from where it should be. And that offset >>> will vary as you go up and down hills. >>> >>> The LPI Imagery has much better resolution and less parallax error than the >>> other sources .. I prefer it to any other images for its accuracy. >>> >>> That said it is usefull to check with other images for more up to date >>> things. I found in Coffs Harbour that the DigitalGlobe stuff is more >>> current. >>> >>> I'll leave others to comment on that address stuff.. no expert on that >>> (yet). :) >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
As a continuation of this thread just wondering if there was a way to divide up Sydney into a grid and automatically check the progress of whether that zone has been mapped or not. Is there a standard approach for this? Dion Moult Original Message On 6 Jun 2018, 09:39, Warin wrote: > On 06/06/18 08:51, Dion Moult wrote: >> Thanks Andrew et all, >> >> Yes, I have used the ESRI imagery layer. Thanks for the heads up of the LPI >> base map. Before I go too far, can one of you please look at the work I've >> done so far if I'm doing things correctly? Here is a small sample in the >> suburb of Epping that I have traced houses and added addresses: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.78071/151.06628 >> >> In that scenario I did not trace off the LPI imagery, but instead traced off >> ESRI. I noticed if I enable the LPI imagery, the houses don't line up. >> Should this be fixed? If so, what's the best way? > > Any imagery can have a 'offset' from where it should be. And that offset will > vary as you go up and down hills. > > The LPI Imagery has much better resolution and less parallax error than the > other sources .. I prefer it to any other images for its accuracy. > > That said it is usefull to check with other images for more up to date > things. I found in Coffs Harbour that the DigitalGlobe stuff is more current. > > I'll leave others to comment on that address stuff.. no expert on that (yet). > :) > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
Thanks Andrew et all, Yes, I have used the ESRI imagery layer. Thanks for the heads up of the LPI base map. Before I go too far, can one of you please look at the work I've done so far if I'm doing things correctly? Here is a small sample in the suburb of Epping that I have traced houses and added addresses: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.78071/151.06628 In that scenario I did not trace off the LPI imagery, but instead traced off ESRI. I noticed if I enable the LPI imagery, the houses don't line up. Should this be fixed? If so, what's the best way? I have added both addr:housenumber and addr:street. Points which I am unsure about how I have tagged and would like comments are the addr:housenumber=18;2/18, the usage of service=driveway to link to the entrance=house, and the multiple buildings which have addr:housenumber=28-30. Any other QA comments would also be much appreciated so I can improve. In addition, a few months ago I also traced all of the houses which you can see here, and added tags for building=house and levels where appropriate: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-33.8627/151.0840 If there are any QA comments I would love to hear them! Dion Moult ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 4 June 2018 5:12 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On 3 June 2018 at 21:48, Dion Moult wrote: > > > I've started using OSM more and more and I find it frustrating that many > > house addresses are not available in OSM. I would like to help by tracing > > many houses using ESRI as a base map (feel free to audit my history on OSM > > under the name "Moult"). I would also like to add address information > > (addr:housenumber and addr:street) to these ways however I don't think that > > we are meant to be copying from Google maps. Is there another map source > > that has addresses that we can use? Perhaps some form of government > > cadastre map? Is that allowed? > > What do you mean by "ESRI as a base map" do you mean the "ESRI World Imagery" > available in ID and JOSM? ESRI's map layers are not allowed, just like Google > Maps or Google Street View which must not be used as we don't have the > copyright permissions to use these. > > Joel H is right about the LPI Base Map as a source of addresses, which we do > have an explicit permission for (not the new OSMF waiver though). > > The building outlines are best obtained from the LPI Imagery which has the > highest resolution and isn't too old. > > Not sure how you would find the addr:street? I'd say don't add this unless > you know from a survey or local_knowledge, especially around corners it can > be tricky. Besides most of the time it can be guessed already by data > consumers snapping to the nearest road segment. > > PS. There is also GNAF which has address data Australia wide which you can > use with OSM, but not import into OSM. Personally I use this in a lot of maps > and mobile apps (OsmAnd, you should be able to get it into maps.me too). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
