Re: [OSM-talk] DJI Fly SafeGEO ZONE MAP uses OSM data... without attribution

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Same here in Chile, only airports. None of our landuse=military polygons.



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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 08:42, Nuno Caldeira 
wrote:

> I don't see other data than airports in Taiwan. As I mentioned on the
> initial, I'm talking about the military facilities and prisons, not
> airports. China also don't have military facilities on their map, being a
> Chinese company they probably filtered it.
>
> A terça, 19/03/2019, 11:28, Dennis Raylin Chen 
> escreveu:
>
>> Not in Taiwan.
>>
>> They just use the data release by the authorities. No data from
>> OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:55 AM Nuno Caldeira <
>> nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Was curious where DJI managed to get a worldwide DB of polygons of
>>> military facilities and points of prisons, triple checked with a couple of
>>> other users of OSM at Telegram and with polygons i added seven years ago.
>>> Without a doubt its from OSM, the coordinates of the vertices matches OSM
>>> perfectly. The names are also the same...
>>>
>>> Check yourself, head to https://www.dji.com/pt/flysafe/geo-map select
>>> your country, zoom in and check the data. Airports restriction areas seems
>>> not to be OSM data, but from other source.
>>> Share your examples if you will.
>>>
>>> Again, sadly no attribution... tried to request via Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/iamnunocaldeira/status/1105897635796447235 
>>> silent as in moon why would they reply to a contributor blah. The Pandora
>>> box has been opened with exceptions about the attribution, if other don't
>>> attribute, why would they?
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Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

There is another version of this. The Maps.me app shows the attribution for
a couple of seconds after starting and after that it vanishes and a scale
appears in the same position. Of course the Maps.me logo at the lower right
corner stays there: https://photos.app.goo.gl/F7yUn4BhvxYiC8YJ7

You can also get to the "attribution" by clicking the Menú button->Ajustes
(Configuration)->About MAPS.ME->Copyright. This obviously seems ridiculous.

Regards,

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 13:51, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Whatever we as a community prefer, let’s not add noise to the discussion
> by suggesting that it’s somehow hard to do because of UX requirements (as
> Simon points out correctly as well). Here’s Scout on an iPhone SE (75%
> fewer pixels than most modern smartphones, let alone desktop browsers):
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/rhodes/9558sk.
>
> Martijn
>
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" providers
> have begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind an click-through
> 'About', 'Credits', 'Legal' or '(i)' link. Examples:
>
> https://docs.mapbox.com/help/img/android/android-first-steps-intro.png
> https://www.systemed.net/osm/IMG_1846.PNG
>
> (This should be obvious but I am in no means meaning to pick on Mapbox or
> Apple here - as anyone who knows me will testify, I have the utmost respect
> both for Mapbox's technical chops, their ability to iterate on a compelling
> product and their success in building the biggest mapping platform using
> OSM data; and I've been an Apple fanboy since my first Mac IIsi back in,
> erk, 1992. They're just the two that sprang to mind, bearing in mind that
> as someone that old, these social networks about photos and stuff are way
> too modern for me.)
>
> It should also be said that many providers - the majority - provide
> attribution in compliance with our policy at osm.org/copyright, i.e.
> showing attribution in the corner of the map, and in many cases generously
> going beyond with "Improve this map" pages; and that some providers will do
> great things like this much of the time and resort to "(i)" or "About" only
> part of the time.
>
> The policy, introduced with the changeover to the ODbL, says:
>
> "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contributors”... For
> a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner of the
> map."
>
> There then follows an example screenshot of a map of Charlbury (woo) with
> a credit in the corner. The OSM Foundation Legal FAQ is pretty much the
> same (
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#Where_to_put_it.3F
> ).
>
> Historically the aim of requiring attribution has been partly to thank
> contributors, and partly because it's a virtuous feedback loop. If you see
> a map and it's wrong or incomplete, seeing "(c) OpenStreetMap" in the
> corner shows you where the data comes from, so you can go and improve it.
> That way we get more contributors, the map gets better, it's more valuable
> to its consumers, so more people use it, so more people improve it... and
> so on.
>
> The legal rationale is 4.3 in the Open Database Licence (
> https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/index.html), and in
> particular "if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice
> associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person
> that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the
> Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database". The key
> phrase is "reasonably calculated" and our view in 2012 was that, since the
> major mapping providers (Google, Navteq/Nokia/HERE, TomTom etc.) required
> and implemented on-screen attribution, "reasonably" meant that users would
> expect a credit to be provided in that way. The OSMF FAQ makes this
> explicit: "you should expect to credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and
> with the same prominence as would be expected by any other map supplier".
>
> Full mea culpa: the /copyright page says "should" rather than "must"
> purely because I wrote the page, I'm British and I, we, talk like that (
> http://termcoord.eu/2016/08/the-truth-behind-british-impoliteness/ ,
> especially the "I would suggest" line). It used to say "request" rather
> than "require" for the same reason. In retrospect I s

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-US: directions please

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

I had the same problem till Federal Circle back in October (also it was
1:00AM and I had to pick-up a friend arriving at a different terminal
around the same time, so the whole inter-terminal bus ride made quite an
story), but from there on the AirTrain was working to Howard Beach and the
only surprise was the every station stopping "express" trains at that time
of the night (not bad since I was going to a "local" station).

Jamaica is still fine (actually that's the way I did it the first time I
went to NYC), but I definitely prefer Howard Beach and the A train. As long
as everything is working ;)


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On 5 June 2015 at 20:00, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 4 June 2015 at 18:48, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
> > From any Airport terminal you take the Airtrain to "Howard Beach" (NOT
> > Jamaica)
>
> Not this weekend. It's closed (Fri-Mon inclusive) for maintenance.
> There's a free shuttle bus (*very* badly signposted, at least at
> terminal 4) to the Airtrain stop at Federal Circle; then a free
> Aitrtain shuttle service to Jamaica *only*. The queues [sic] were
> horrendous, and disorganised.
>
> I got the "E" train from Jamaica to 14th St; your directions were most
> helpful from there.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-US: directions please

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

As far as I know in the regular MTA map (
http://web.mta.info/maps/submap.html) for any given line the stations with
black dots are locals and the ones with white dots are combination/express
ones. So you just have to take a look at what train numbers/letters stop in
those stations to know which ones are locals (6 in the green line) and
which ones are express (4 and 5 for that exampe).

Sometimes, to save time on a really long run, you can take the express to
the last combination station before the local station that you are trying
to reach, and you just change trains there to do that last "slow" leg.

Cheers,

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On 4 June 2015 at 17:58, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 4 June 2015 at 21:20, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
> > Knowing ... which train is the local and the express in any given line
>
> How can you tell?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-US: directions please

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

You're welcome!

Another word of advice/tip for "NYC Subway first timers", in many stations
you have to choose the entrance depending on which direction you are going
(many of them don't have a mezzanine or distribution passages).

For example, if you are in Manhattan and going
Southbound/Downtown/Brooklyn/etc. you use the entrances on the west
sidewalk of that street, if you are going Northbound/Harlem/Bronx you will
use the entrances on the opposite side of the street. Knowing this and
which train is the local and the express in any given line can save you a
lot of time.

Cheers,

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On 4 June 2015 at 15:38, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 4 June 2015 at 18:48, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
> > subway
>
> Brilliantly detailed; just what I was looking for. Thank you.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-US: directions please

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Andy,

I am a frugal traveller so I have always used the subway to/from JFK. From
any Airport terminal you take the Airtrain to "Howard Beach" (NOT Jamaica),
once there you only have A trains and you have to take one towards
Manhattan. You get off the train in the 14th Street station (it should be a
long trip, a little longer if its late night since the train will stop at
every station at that time of the day). From the station you walk a few
meters south to Jackson Square and then left (East) on West 13th Street (on
the Starbucks according to our map:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/40.73925/-74.00224) until you cross
7th Avenue.

To get to the UN Headquarters probably the easiest way is to walk to the
Union Square Station (three blocks away to the East) take the train 4 or 5
(Express) towards Bronx and get off the train in Grand Central 42nd Street
station and walk a few blocks East (until you reach the river ;)

If you combine http://web.mta.info/maps/submap.html and OSM it should be
quite easy. I do it that way every time.

Cheers,

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On 4 June 2015 at 13:58, Nick Whitelegg  wrote:

>
> Well I visited New York in 2004 and then the choice was either a shuttle
> bus (which drops you off somewhere near Grand Central) or the monorail to
> an "A train" subway station which would take you into Manhattan.
>
> Once you're in Manhattan I guess you can just use an OSM map ;-)
>
> Obviously things might have changed now...
>
> Nick
>
> 
> From: Andy Mabbett 
> Sent: 04 June 2015 16:38
> To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM-US: directions please
>
> Ironic, given our subject of interest...
>
> I've searched online, but found no directions from JFK to the New
> Shool's 13th Street Residence, nor walking directions from there to
> the UN building.
>
> Could someone oblige, please?
>
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[OSM-talk] State of the Map LatAm 2015

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear All,

Today we officially announced the first State of the Map LatAm. We will
host this conference between September 4th and 6th, in Santiago de Chile.

As many people asked in Buenos Aires, the State of the Map LatAm will take
place in the days just before the AbreLatam (7th-8th) and the ConDatos
(9th-10th) two of the biggest Open Data events in the continent. So many
people can take advantage of their scholarship programs. We will still be
providing scholarships for entry tickets and accomodations in Santiago.

The Call for Proposals will be open until July 3th.

You can get more information in http://sotm.openstreetmap.cl/en and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_Latam_2015

Or responding to this message.

Best Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Galaxy SIII GPS receiver issues, and alternatives

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

I have been using the configuration described in the Mapillary post
(Holux receiver instead of a Garmin) for a couple of years, first with
my Galaxy S and lately with my SIII, and I can confirm that it works
flawlessly, always better than the internal GPS.

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On 24 January 2015 at 06:24, Michael Andersen  wrote:
> Fredag den 23. januar 2015 22:36:22 skrev Bryce Nesbitt:
>> External GPS on android via bluetooth appears to be a no-go.  I recall a
>> bug report in the issue tracker / request
>> queue that for android to that effect.
>
> Apparently with some tricks it's possible though:
> http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/10/01/bt-gps.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Paul,

No, they bought data from a provider that took it from us. Once Waze
realised this they deleted everything
(http://www.waze.com/blog/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap-community/).

Regards,

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On 8 March 2012 14:15, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
>> The map has the same easter eggs as Waze OSM import did in early 2010
>> (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053579.html),
>> so I agree with Richards time frame estimate.
>
> Waze is using OSM?  When did this start?  Are they contributing data back?
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

OpenStreetMap data in Chile.

The map has the same easter eggs as Waze OSM import did in early 2010
(http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053579.html),
so I agree with Richards time frame estimate.

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On 8 March 2012 01:10, maning sambale  wrote:
> I confirm that Apple is using OSM in the Philippines.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Richard Fairhurst  
> wrote:
>> Spod wrote:
>>> http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/
>>
>> http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
>> they're using.
>>
>> Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
>>
>> cheers
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Logger

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Sajjad,

Beside the traditional Garmin eTrex Legend HCx GPS, we have been using the
Holux M-1000C (6)(http://goo.gl/hdWSh) and M-1200E (1)(http://goo.gl/oRCpa)
for our local GPStogo lending scheme (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Programa_GPS-Chile).

Both of them have an MTK MT3329 chip, with really good reception and low
power consumption. They have enough memory to work for some days without
uploading the data to you PC, and in the case of the M-1000C it uses a
"generic/cheap" (Nokia style) replaceable battery, and can be used under
Linux with BT-747, mtkbabel and gpsbabel (http://goo.gl/403S6).

However, I should warn you that only the M-1200E has a "waypoint button".
But IMHO this feature is offset by the fact that the logger is almost half
the size of the M-1000C, sacrificing antenna and battery size.

Regards,

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On 7 November 2011 02:21, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been trying to find out a basic GPS data logger. A friend used
> the Holux m-241
> http://www.holux.com/JCore/en/products/products_content.jsp?pno=341
> Are there any other similar best buy devices that someone here has come
> across?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

It is obvious to me that neither side will yield, even in an scenario with
both parties accepting on using arabic and hebrew on the name tag, they will
start fighting about wich one goes first. So it seems that the only
"solution" will be to use english (the de facto lingua franca of the world)
for the name tag, and keep hebrew and arabic in their name:he and name:ar
tags.

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2011/10/4 dimka israeli 

>  Hello to all,
>
> I would like to inform the OSM community about an ongoing dispute
> regarding the node "Jerusalem"
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/29090735<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/29090735&usg=AFQjCNFtSGU9ubMlv8E0-RxmMN7shkmxkA>.
>
>
> In my opinion, the handling of this dispute by OSM officials has up until
> now been entirely
> inappropriate, damaging for the Israeli OSM community and  perhaps even
> politically motivated.
>
> Since all official OSM representatives remain deaf to our arguments and
> pleas, effectively holding our entire community hostage with threats of ban,
> I saw no other choice but to send this letter.
>
> Allow me to describe very briefly the essense of the dispute, sticking to
> facts only. More details can be found at this forum
> thread: 
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13178<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php%3Fid%3D13178&usg=AFQjCNE5OjcDPw5zs_J8tbqERAvNCO4G2g>
> .
>
> The Jerusalem node had its name: tag changing several times by people who
> were not members of OSM Israel, for unknown (to us) reasons, and always
> changed back by us in order to keep up with our tagging standards. Those
> standards specify that all places inside Israel should be tagged with Hebrew
> as default, unless specific agreement otherwise. This convention was never
> disputed.  Last switch to Hebrew name of the Jerusalem node occured in
> December 2010, and no changes were made since then.
> In addition to Jerusalem node, there exists a separate "place=suburb" node
> tagged "Al-Quds" in Arabic which represents mostly Arab-populated east
> neighborhoods of Jerusalem. This tagging was never in dispute.
>
>
> Three months ago, several people who never before made edits to OSM,
> claimed that they cannot identify themselves with the map (and as a result,
> are not ready to contribute to it), because the name of the city of
> Jerusalem did not appear on the main OSM site in Arabic language with the
> same prominence as the Hebrew one. This claim was expressed not to the
> members of the Israeli community, but to Mikel Maron who happened to be in
> Jerusalem. He  set to organize a meeting between the two parties.
>
> Mikel sent an email to the OSM Data Working Group where he apparently
> elaborated the situation, claiming that there has been an "edit war" over
> the node (a highly controversial claim per se). This was done prior to the
> meeting, without giving the two sides any chance to talk.
>
> On the morning of the meeting day and prior to the meeting itself, the DWG
> removed the name: tag from the node, without making any direct contact with
> us.
>
> Anxious to have it back, we proposed during the meeting to have two
> separate nodes, tagged respectively in Hebrew and Arabic. However, the other
> side would agree on nothing less than equal rendering (they are explicitly
> interested in rendering only) of the two names, which implied that the
> Arabic node would be tagged as capital (analogous to Hebrew Jerusalem).
> However, it was pointed out that this would certainly create problems with
> mapnik on low zoom levels (where the two nodes would overlap and only one of
> them would show). Such a situation was not acceptable to the other side, and
> so we concluded the meeting by letting Mikel contact the mapnik team and
> come back with an answer.
>
> After coming back home, we actually started to have a discussion in our
> forum (see link above). Many of us couldn't participate in the meeting (only
> two of Israeli mappers were present there), and so expressed their opinion
> in the matter for the first time. Furthermore, we found out that the other
> side of the dispute is an organization with a clear political agenda related
> to Arab-Israeli conflict in general and Jerusalem in particular. Eventually
> we backed up from the agreement and requested further discussions with the
> other side. Mikel has stepped down as a mediator, admitting that he was too
> involved in this.
>
> We have asked the DWG t

Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Andy,

A _relatively_ unmapped area. The Villa Las Estrellas (Post Office, School,
Library, Hospital, Bank, the Russian Ortodox Church, etc.), the Base
Presidente Eduardo Frei Montalva, and the Aeródromo Teniente Rodolfo Marsh
(runway, apron, and VOR beacon), all in the Isla Rey Jorge (King George
Island) have been mapped for a couple of years (Jul/2009):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.195&lon=-58.9767&zoom=14&layers=M

Also the user "Blazejos" has been mapping the Arctowski (Polish) Base for
some time:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.18318&lon=-58.47755&zoom=15&layers=M

Best Regards,

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On 26 September 2011 07:57, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of
> Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of
> mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the
> British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf
>
>
> An example for Deception Island:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.png
>
> If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting
> the maps scanned when I'm done others.
>
> Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the
> surveying
> was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have
> plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names
> should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC).
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

On 23 June 2011 23:58, John Smith  wrote:

> So you quote one line and fail to point out what falsities I'm making.
>
So that is what my message was all about? Thanks for clarifying it to me...
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Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

On 23 June 2011 16:52, Nic Roets  wrote:

> It's much closer to what's been
> happening in the Arab States this year:


There are at least two big difference between revolutions in the Maghreb and
Arab Countries, and the License discussion inside OSM.

In this mailing lists it doesn't matter if a position is backed by one or
ten thousand people, one persons email message weight the same as fifty
thousand people shouting at Tahrir Square, even if that message has more in
common with one crazy guy screaming about conspiracy theories outside ground
zero. We are all going to receive it, the same for all of his/her following
messages, at least till we run tired and unsubscribe from the list.

And most importantly, there is zero intention of repression/censorship (I
guess some of you will try to argue about this, but you all know that if
some censorship had been applied when it could have been done, this
discussion wouldn't be happening), so that one person can "shout" as much as
he/she wants to, for as long as he/she wants to (probably till the License
change is completed, so be prepared for many more messages).

Now, taking it back to the mailing list and people responding, I think that
many of us let Steve, Frederik, Richard and others do the job of answering
John, 80n, etc. because we don't have the time and energy to do it. Luckily
there is always people willing to do the hard work of pushing things
forward.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

On 14 June 2011 14:40, Anders Arnholm  wrote:

> Telling there is a legal list and then assuming people interested in
> license stuff subscribes and finds out about it. Don't work, and all the
> time you keep sending this is for legal list, obviously shows.
>

Most of the people discussing this topics being subscribers of the legal
list is no random fact. We are there because we care about that area of the
project, and that list is the place to discuss it without making regular
users to unsubscribe from talk (I guess some of them are seriously thinking
about it after receiving ~50 messages only from this thread).

All the times Frederik et al. have had to send "this is for the legal list"
messages to Nathan, John, etc., only show how "some people" do not want to
send their LEGAL messages to the LEGAL list. It's not about not
understanding that this discussion should take place there but just about
not respecting the rest of the community (the ones that do NOT want to
receive LEGAL discussion messages).

Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Gift Ideas

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Kate,

We have made and given away mugs[1], pencils and t-Shirts[2], and the last
ones have proven to be the most effective way of advertising the project.
Even though t-shirts are relatively expensive compared with the other two
options, they are "walking publicity", the first two just stay over someones
desk, at most been seen by his/her coworkers.

[1] http://goo.gl/OSUyg
[2] http://twitpic.com/57gxf1

Cheers,

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On 10 June 2011 06:33, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been doing workshops in various communities and universities.
>  Sometimes it is appropriate to bring a gift to exchange.  Does anyone have
> any ideas on suitable items?
>
> Ideally it would be something to be shared among the group.  Not sure
> really what would be best, originally I was thinking along the lines of a
> plaque, but looking for additional ideas.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Kate
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Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

On 20 February 2011 21:03, Felix Hartmann  wrote:

>
> Just show me some neighboring countries where the one with imports some
> time ago (minimum 1 year) are doing better than neighboring
> countries/regions where no imports took place.
>
>
Dear Felix,

Take a look at Argentina, Bolivia, Chile and Peru. As long as I know, the
Argentinians, Bolivians, and Peruvians haven't done any massive importation
processes, here in Chile we have done the aforementioned imports, including
all the suburban highways, from the dataset liberated by the Government a
couple of years ago (Late 2008).

Buenos Aires, Argentina (pop. ~13,300,000): http://osm.org/go/Mnx6Foy-
La Paz, Bolivia (pop. ~2,300,000): http://osm.org/go/NOrAkUe
Santiago, Chile (pop. ~6,000,000): http://osm.org/go/MaK0TCh--
Lima, Peru (pop. ~8,000,000): http://osm.org/go/NNZb1om--
--
Cordoba, Argentina (pop. ~1,300,000): http://osm.org/go/Mw0zkmc--
San Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia (pop. ~1,800,000): http://osm.org/go/Nh5HGa1
Gran Valparaíso, Chile (pop. ~900,000): http://osm.org/go/MaMIW4o--
Arequipa, Peru (pop. ~750,000): http://osm.org/go/NOJMR7ao-
-
San Luis, Argentina (pop. ~153,000): http://osm.org/go/MwDmIDt
Sucre, Bolivia (pop. ~225,000): http://osm.org/go/NhLWxEgE-
Chillan, Chile (pop. ~170,000): http://osm.org/go/MOXe09B
Huancayo, Peru (pop. ~323,000): http://osm.org/go/NNzRJz5A-

It is difficult to compare cities in terms of size, since the population
numbers for the four countries are so different (40,000,000 people;
11,000,000 people; 17,000,000 people; and 30,000,000 people respectively),
and the same applies to their cities, but I have tried to put cities of
similar importance in each section. One thing is clear, until now, bigger
populations (at city or country level) do not necessarily mean better
mapping and/or coverage, at least in the southern half of South America.

In my opinion quality and coverage totally depend in a combination of
variables, including compromise of the current and future mappers, economic
elements (money/free_time/etc.), geographic elements (shape of the country,
distribution of highways, topography, etc.), climatic elements (snow, ice,
tropical or seasonal rains, the driest desert in the world, etc.),
_and_ public datasets availability.

Until now I have not taken into consideration for this comparison the
suburban highways (by far our biggest import process). But just take a look
into this area of southern Chile: http://osm.org/go/MOB8D1 and compare it
with any suburban area of the surrounding countries. This is, at least in
part, thanks to the massive import process that we did years ago, it was the
kick start for many towns and cities (at the beginning, in many places, we
only had the suburban highways around them and a blank space to fill and
connect), and not only for those towns and cities, but for the improvement
and completion of the same suburban highways (they didn't include any kind
of "elaborate" highway interchange with the mayor motorways, and we have
been investing time adding and perfecting those during these years).

Cheers,

Julio Costa Zambelli
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Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Richard and everyone else,

We have a totally different experience here. We have done some import
processes here in Chile, probably not more than four or five till now, I
talked about the suburban highways import process in my "State of Chile"
presentation in Amsterdam, and after that we added: all the schools and Town
Halls in Santiago; all the Hospitals and municipal/provincial borders in the
Maule Region after the earthquake. This mostly from datasets liberated by
different government agencies, and they have been a total successes (In a
couple of days I will pick-up an external hard drive with more than 150GB of
data liberated by SECTRA, the Government Secretary of Transportation,
including aerial imagery for many of Chiles biggest cities).

Actually right now we are discussing, in the talk-cl mailing list, the
import process of all the bus stops of Transantiago (the transportation
system of Santiago). There are more than 10,000 bus stops in this dataset
(we have manually/randomly tested some of them and the accuracy of the
geolocation is pretty much the same that we get from our "on the ground
survey", the nodes also have the two codes used to identify each stop
something we do not have right now, probably because one of those codes is
a 10~12 characters alphanumeric string). The contributor that did the
request of authorisation for the dataset with the transportation authority
also researched how many bus stops we have added all over the country, and
he told me that there are no more than 700.

So this is not a very difficult decision (700 all over the country versus
more than 10,000 just for Santiago), we have talked (
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cl/2011-February/000927.html)
about preserving the already surveyed stops, but since the data per bus stop
in the dataset is so complete it doesn't make too much sense to keep
duplicated nodes (in my particular case I probably have added "not included"
data tags like "shelter" or "towards" just to ~10% of my surveyed stops).


What I am trying to say is that not all the import processes are bad, and
the ones well planned, well executed, and broadly discussed in mailing list
and other channels of communication are really good tools for expanding our
coverage _and_ improving the quality of our data.

Cheers,

Julio Costa Zambelli
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On 19 February 2011 21:03, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

> This is getting crazy.
>
> Exhibit 1:
> http://twitter.com/#!/maproomblog/status/39053538692698112
>
> "Whoever imported CanVec in Aylmer, Quebec obliterated hours of work and
> introduced hundreds of errors. #osm #openstreetmap #whybother"
>
> Once again, some keyboard jockey has decided that his l337 import skills
> are better than the knowledge and hours of work by a local mapper. The
> offender appears to be user 'sammuell' by the look of it -
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sammuell - though he hasn't posted
> anything about his activities on the user page, the wiki, or indeed
> anywhere.
>
> This is killing OSM. We are not here to provide a free API to government
> geodata that can be obtained trivially elsewhere. OSM is all about "added
> value"; by deleting genuine surveyed data in favour of mindless duplication
> of other, poorer quality datasets, we are _destroying_ value.
>
> From what I can tell (talk-ca postings etc.) 'sammuell' is a fairly
> inexperienced OSMer who presumably thinks "this is how things are done". It
> isn't. How do we stop this impression taking hold? How do we explain that
> imports are _not_ welcome except as a last resort, and if you do them, you
> _must_ follow a very, very rigorous set of guidelines?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] ITO's "2008: A Year of Edits" is in BBC's "The Joy of Stats"

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Mike Migurski from Stamen presents their San Francisco Crimespoting (OSM
Map) at 7:02 :)

On 30 December 2010 23:34, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

> ITO World's "2008: A Year of Edits" is featured within the first 15
> seconds of BBC's documentary "The Joy of Stats":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOOmqHzkkOo
>
> I haven't watched the whole documentary yet (sounds really
> interesting) so I'm not sure if OSM is an actual topic in the docu.
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] Foss4g in CHILE

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

+1

Julio Costa
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On 1 December 2010 10:51, Patricio Cifuentes Ithal wrote:

> Hi!,
> Count me and SIIGSA for any things
>
> Patricio Cifuentes Ithal
> Ingeniero en Informática
> Unidad de Informática
> Fono : 02 - 334 73 69
> www.siigsa.cl
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: talk-cl-boun...@openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:talk-cl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre de César Medina
> Enviado el: martes, 30 de noviembre de 2010 22:35
> Para: spanish lists.osgeo.org; talk-cl openstreetmap;
> geoserver-us...@lists.sourceforge.net; talk@openstreetmap.org
> Asunto: [Talk-cl] Foss4g in CHILE
>
>
> Hi all, how are you? As some already know, I am in the early organization
> of
> the 1st FOSS4G event in Chile, in conjunction with a university here in
> santiago of Chile, that will be held in march 2011,for this, I need some
> cooperation in particular issues, at least for those who are here in Chile,
> need use cases or workshops:
> -gvsig-geoserver-mapserver-postgresql-postgis
> Within the next few weeks we should be launching the program, the web and
> more. For those who dare to cooperate on any issue, please contact me
> either
> on the list or my personal email ciesaremedina (at) gmail (dot) com
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Fredy,

I think they will not tell you who sold them the OSM data. The same thing
happened with Waze when I asked about their provider for the Chilean OSM
Data. They told us that LocationWorld sold them the data (at least the first
time) and that a provider of that company was the one to be blamed for the
unfair use of OSM contributors work. No word on that providers name yet (two
weeks and counting).

There is a strange tendency to avoid giving away the names of the companies
responsible of this, and even the "leaders" of OSM seem to find this
perfectly normal. I told SteveC and the people from Waze that I didn't want
to start a witch hunt around this issue, but some social judgement over the
companies responsible seems perfectly appropriate to me.

Cheers,

Julio Costa

#EN ESPAÑOL#

Fredy,

Pienso que no te van a decir quien les vendió los datos de OSM. Lo mismo
paso con Waze cuando les pregunte sobre su proveedor para los datos de OSM
en Chile. Nos dijeron que LocationWorld le vendió los datos (al menos la
primera vez) y que un proveedor de esa compañía era el culpable del uso
injusto del trabajo de los contribuyentes de OSM. No se ha dicho el nombre
de ese proveedor aun (dos semanas y contando).

Hay una extraña tendencia a evitar dar los nombres de
las compañías responsables de esto, e incluso los lideres de OSM parecen
considerar esto perfectamente normal. Le dije a SteveC y a la gente de Waze
que no quiero empezar una caza de brujas en torno a este asunto,
pero algún juicio social sobre las compañías responsables me parece
perfectamente apropiado.

Saludos,

Julio Costa


On 16 November 2010 10:54, ouɐɯnH  wrote:

> Dear Ed an all ..
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Ed Parsons  wrote:
> > Last week Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had identified
> > what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia.  We
> > investigated the matter and determined that one of our providers had
> indeed
> > included OSM data in the data-set they provided to us, once we learned
> this
> > we removed the data as quickly as possible.
>
> Despite the apology and commitment to Google, although our data do not
> erase, this is a nuisance that discourages our community in Colombia,
> it is as if we worked for them and not for the osm.
>
> > I would personally like to thank Steve for pointing out this problem to
> us,
> > and would like to apologise to the OSM community for the unwitting use
> > of your work in this way. Although we feel unable to license OSM data at
> > present, we remain supporters of the project, and we will without
> question
> > act in a similar way if the rights of the OSM community and your data is
> > abused.
>
> In Colombia we respect the satellite images and other rights of
> google, despite being a country with few satellite photographs, so the
> mappers have had to draw the country on our own feet and GPS, Google
> writes conditions and not to work with their images but if they use
> our work as their own, this is not right.
>
>  Google says that a vendor provided them information that they used
> OSM, we believe they must tell us which that provider was to prevent
> abusive trading continue with our work.
>
>  need more than an apology from Google, we need our rights are
> respected and to help us keep our data is used improperly, it is
> revealed that includes the name of the supplier who abused.
>
> Salu2
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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Serge,

I followed the bids for the SOTM2011 and actually translated Viennas
bid. That is why I am expressing my surprise that the organizing team
selected a city that does not meet some of the conditions that where
used as the definitive elements [1] in past events, the same with the
only recommendation [2] by a non-member of the team.

I would not argue if a German city bids for the event (as long as
English is still considered the "lingua franca" for it ;) And I agree
with the idea of not making it every year in the same place, but I
have a problem accepting the idea of taking it as far as possible of
the places that we know have tons of people willing to go to the
event. I hope I am wrong and reality shows that many people is willing
to go to the event in Colorado (the local GIS industry should provide
lots of people for probing this) and take the place of some of the
people from Europe that will not be able to pay or take the time to
travel.

About the visa issue, I am not sure if you or the blog article is
right, but my bet is that the DHS will not make things any easier for
the scholarship beneficiaries either way.

I am not criticizing _the choice_ but precisely _the way_ the
previously published criteria were not completely respected. There was
no way to know in advance that this was going to happen (last year
this criteria were ruthlessly respected). I am not sure if I missed
the "widely advertised and public decision making process" (maybe I am
not subscribed to the right mailing list), but I only read the bidding
process in the wiki, not the way the team finally decided.

I am not undermining the process by asking how much the previously
published selection criteria really weighted for the final choice, on
the contrary, I am trying to make it as clear as possible for future
SOTM bidding cities.

Regards,

Julio Costa

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2011/Bid#Criteria
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:State_Of_The_Map_2011/Bid



On 22 October 2010 20:38, Serge Wroclawski  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
>> Henk,
>>
>> I do not want to argue since this just a personal opinion from someone
>> that has gone just to one SOTM and only thanks to the OSI Scholarship,
>> but:
>>
>> What was the election criteria? I guess easy access by public
>> transport, low-budget airlines, and visas for the OSI+OSMF Scholarship
>> beneficiaries are not in the list.
>
> The planning committee's notes are here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Organisation/Meetings
>
>>   I know the cost of getting to Europe
>> for many of us is huge, but the truth is that most of the people that
>> goes to the event is from Western Europe, and that it is not because
>> the event is done near them, but because those are the countries with
>> the biggest and most active communities (again some may argue that
>> they have those big and active communities because events like this
>> one are made near them).
>
> If that were really true, they'd all be in Germany; not Spain, not the
> Netherlands.
>
>> So we can not expect to have the event near
>> us at the cost of most of the people interested in participate paying
>> more to get to it or just no going to it.
>>
>> Can we expect the Department of Homeland Security to be any less
>> "obstructive" with the scholarship beneficiaries than the agencies in
>> Europe?
>
> As mentioned by someone else, the visa issues last year were mostly
> due to the citizens of the countries themselves, with very few
> exceptions.
>
>> I do not want to make an stereotype of the officers of this
>> agency, since they have treated me so well every time I have gone to
>> the states, but to be honest if the Spaniards denied 7 visas, I will
>> bet money that this guys will deny the same or more.
>>
>> I agree in the fact that the US market/community needs to be
>> developed/encouraged, and that the sponsorship of American companies
>> may be a strong argument to take the event there, but complicating
>> things for most of the most active community members does not sound as
>> the wisest step to me. My two cents*
>
> Julio, I don't disagree with any of your substantive points and I've
> expressed by opinions on where I'd like SoTM to be privately, but the
> time for lively debate is before the decision is made. The decision
> making process was widely advertised and public. Once the decision is
> made it's not the time to undermine the process by criticizing the
> choice, and my extension the organization and the people who are doing
> their best.
>
> Just my .02.
>
> - Serge
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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Serge,

I will reply to your message tomorrow because right now it is 3:20AM
here and I just can not keep my eyes open and mind focus anymore.

Cheers,

Julio Costa

On 22 October 2010 20:38, Serge Wroclawski  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
>> Henk,
>>
>> I do not want to argue since this just a personal opinion from someone
>> that has gone just to one SOTM and only thanks to the OSI Scholarship,
>> but:
>>
>> What was the election criteria? I guess easy access by public
>> transport, low-budget airlines, and visas for the OSI+OSMF Scholarship
>> beneficiaries are not in the list.
>
> The planning committee's notes are here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Organisation/Meetings
>
>>   I know the cost of getting to Europe
>> for many of us is huge, but the truth is that most of the people that
>> goes to the event is from Western Europe, and that it is not because
>> the event is done near them, but because those are the countries with
>> the biggest and most active communities (again some may argue that
>> they have those big and active communities because events like this
>> one are made near them).
>
> If that were really true, they'd all be in Germany; not Spain, not the
> Netherlands.
>
>> So we can not expect to have the event near
>> us at the cost of most of the people interested in participate paying
>> more to get to it or just no going to it.
>>
>> Can we expect the Department of Homeland Security to be any less
>> "obstructive" with the scholarship beneficiaries than the agencies in
>> Europe?
>
> As mentioned by someone else, the visa issues last year were mostly
> due to the citizens of the countries themselves, with very few
> exceptions.
>
>> I do not want to make an stereotype of the officers of this
>> agency, since they have treated me so well every time I have gone to
>> the states, but to be honest if the Spaniards denied 7 visas, I will
>> bet money that this guys will deny the same or more.
>>
>> I agree in the fact that the US market/community needs to be
>> developed/encouraged, and that the sponsorship of American companies
>> may be a strong argument to take the event there, but complicating
>> things for most of the most active community members does not sound as
>> the wisest step to me. My two cents*
>
> Julio, I don't disagree with any of your substantive points and I've
> expressed by opinions on where I'd like SoTM to be privately, but the
> time for lively debate is before the decision is made. The decision
> making process was widely advertised and public. Once the decision is
> made it's not the time to undermine the process by criticizing the
> choice, and my extension the organization and the people who are doing
> their best.
>
> Just my .02.
>
> - Serge
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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Richard,

I have to make something clear first, I have _nothing_ against Denver,
and I will do my best effort to have the money and the time to go to
the SOTM2011 there. I love going to the states (three times, with zero
bad experiences yet) and I was not being sarcastic about my good
experience with the guys from the DHS.

So I am not a "detractor" of any particular city but of the idea of
doing the event far away from most of the people that we know are
interested in going to it.

I agree with you about OSI+OSMF amazing efforts that influences so
many people, including myself.

As much as I also agree with you in the general idea of moving the
SOTM around (a.k.a taking it out of Europe for the first time), the
fact is (and this is not a matter of perspective) that most of the
contributors, core developers, authors, etc. are still in Germany, the
UK and other countries of Western Europe, and that taking the event to
Colorado could have an effect on the number of attendees similar to
the effect of doing the FOSS4G in Australia and South Africa[1], or
maybe worst, at least assuming that it will not be held in the days
right before or after the OSGeo conference in Denver (a coordinated
schedule may compensate the decline caused by the distance from
Europe). I do realize that there may be a positive effect in terms of
showing the project to new people that may eventually become the new
contributors, core developers, authors, etc.

I am just in a ~1000Km. bus trip to attend the national Linux
Encounter to do my OSM talk (I did it this Friday morning), so I guess
I am one of the guys on the "not so complaining" side of the table ;)

As far as I know and the article [2] in the State of the Map blog
explains, 5 of the beneficiaries of the scholarship had their visas
denied by the Spanish embassies in their countries; 1 by the German
embassy; and 1 by the French embassy. So I correct myself in the
matter that this was a particularly Spaniard discriminatory act, this
was a European one. Anyway, I keep my bet on the DHS, they are quite
reliable in this kind of things.

Best Regards,

Julio Costa

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.osuosl.org/wiki/FOSS4G#Local_Organizing_Committee
[2] http://stateofthemap.org/sotm-scholarship-program/

On 22 October 2010 18:02, Richard Weait  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>> Henk,
>>
>> I do not want to argue since this just a personal opinion from someone
>> that has gone just to one SOTM and only thanks to the OSI Scholarship,
>> but:
>
> OSI is great.  I'm glad that folks from so many places have been able
> to attend.
>
>> [ ... ] but we are talking about the _global_ State Of
>> The Map
>
> It should move around then?  As I understand it the Drupal project
> alternates between events in Europe and North America.  I don't know
> how the percentage of contributors is divided in the Drupal community.
>
> But the fact is that any and every location will have detractors.
> There will always be a set of those who can't or won't make the trip.
> I've heard conference attendees complain about a 45 minute trip across
> town to attend, while they were sitting at a table with people who
> flew-in across the country.  Perspective plays a part here.  ;-)
>
>> Can we expect the Department of Homeland Security to be any less
>> "obstructive" with the scholarship beneficiaries than the agencies in
>> Europe? I do not want to make an stereotype of the officers of this
>> agency, since they have treated me so well every time I have gone to
>> the states, but to be honest if the Spaniards denied 7 visas, I will
>> bet money that this guys will deny the same or more.
>
> It was my impression that some potential attendees were denied travel
> by their own country, rather than entry visas to Spain.  If so, the
> destination country may not matter in those cases.
>
> Julio, I hope that you will be able to attend in Denver.  I hope that
> I will be able to attend as well. :-)  I think it is a beautiful part
> of the world.
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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Henk,

I do not want to argue since this just a personal opinion from someone
that has gone just to one SOTM and only thanks to the OSI Scholarship,
but:

What was the election criteria? I guess easy access by public
transport, low-budget airlines, and visas for the OSI+OSMF Scholarship
beneficiaries are not in the list. Even though one of the reasons to
choose Girona over Genova for this years SOTM was that it has a
Low-Budget Airline hub in its airport.

I know about JetBlue, but we are talking about the _global_ State Of
The Map, and not about SOTM US. I know the cost of getting to Europe
for many of us is huge, but the truth is that most of the people that
goes to the event is from Western Europe, and that it is not because
the event is done near them, but because those are the countries with
the biggest and most active communities (again some may argue that
they have those big and active communities because events like this
one are made near them). So we can not expect to have the event near
us at the cost of most of the people interested in participate paying
more to get to it or just no going to it.

Can we expect the Department of Homeland Security to be any less
"obstructive" with the scholarship beneficiaries than the agencies in
Europe? I do not want to make an stereotype of the officers of this
agency, since they have treated me so well every time I have gone to
the states, but to be honest if the Spaniards denied 7 visas, I will
bet money that this guys will deny the same or more.

I agree in the fact that the US market/community needs to be
developed/encouraged, and that the sponsorship of American companies
may be a strong argument to take the event there, but complicating
things for most of the most active community members does not sound as
the wisest step to me. My two cents*

Best Regards,

Julio Costa

* I say it again, no harm intended. I expect a certain degree of
violence in the replies anyway ;)


On 21 October 2010 17:09, Henk Hoff  wrote:
> The host city of the 5th edition of State of the Map is chosen to be Denver,
> Colorado. The event will take place in September 2011.
> Here's the
> announcement: http://opengeodata.org/denver-to-host-2011-state-of-the-map
> You can read the Denver-bid
> here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2011/Bid/Denver
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Countries that have NOT had any imports?

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Here in Chile we have used and will use Government data in some import
processes, and it would have been a complete waste not to use it,
since they only asked us for an attribution tag.

One of the reasons to use government data here is that we have a
problem quite similar to the one in Australia, the population density
of the country is way lower than the one in Belgium (22/km2 Vs
355/km2) and many other European countries.

Also the population is quite uneven in its distribution, we have
almost 9,000 people/km2 here in Santiago, 1.1/km2 in the Magallanes
and Antartica Chilena Region [1], and 0.8/km2 in the Aysen Region [2]
(that is lower than Far Eastern Siberia [3] and Alaska [4]).

Also the quality and coverage of the data imported here is completely
different from the one in TIGER. Thanks to the governments data now we
have the best Chilean suburban highways map in the web. Our challenge
now is mostly about completing the cities, tons of POIs, landuse, and
the perfection of those highways (hundreds of interchanges for
example).

Cheers

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magallanes_and_Antartica_Chilena_Region
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ays%C3%A9n_Region
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Eastern_Federal_District
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska

On 29 September 2010 18:47, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Kai Krueger wrote:
>>
>> Yes, more or less. Given that some people seem to be strongly arguing that
>> the use of third party data is "crap", "mindless" and "harmful",
>
> ... among them myself, as you probably have noticed ...
>
>> I would like to get a feel for how "bad" the situation is and where there
>> are still "happy, undisturbed" communities left
>
> Well there will certainly be lots of places with NO imports and also NO
> community but I don't think that would disprove the theory ;)
>
> Why not do it the other way round - identify places with a vibrant OSM
> community, then see if they've had any major imports. I might be stating the
> obvious but OSM community is certainly vibrant in most places in Germany,
> and imports have certainly played a negligible role in the data we have.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> PS: I don't think the US is going to be a wasteland in terms of OSM
> community forever. I just think that without the TIGER import they'd have
> less data but much more community today. Then again I'm happy to admit that
> at the time the import was done, I thought it was a splendid idea, along
> with most others in the project probably - so it would be totally unfair to
> blame anyone who worked hard on getting that import done.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

I am not sure if I am right with this (I erased the first messages of
this thread), but I guess we may be talking about something like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleong/1271860724/

Cheers

On 28 September 2010 16:41, Niklas Cholmkvist  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 15:22 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Niklas Cholmkvist
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > How do you handle this issue when adding doctors or businesses that have
>> > their full name (first and last name) included?
>>
>> I use the large overhead sign as guidance, not the small tenant list.
>> If the large overhead sign includes the name of the practitioner, I
>> include it in the name= field.
> So if I read the "large overhead sign"(what does such a thing look like?
> Just by the expression I doubt one such thing can be found in our
> country Greece) then I can put names from it into the name tag. I think
> that a photo will help to show you what I mean(I will take it tomorrow
> when I will go to a place in the city). If you already have a photo for
> 'large overhead sign' as an example it would be helpful, except if you
> would like to describe in more detail using words that is also helpful.
>
> Kind regards,
> Niklas
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Noam,

Thank you for taking this as seriously as it needs, and solving the
whole issue this fast.

Regards,

Julio Costa

On 31 August 2010 17:35, Noam Bardin  wrote:
> Julio and Ignacio,
> thank you for bringing this to our attention.  See our blog post at
> http://www.waze.com/blog/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap-community/
>
> You guys were right and we took immediate action and deleted all potentially
> infringing data (see full story on the post).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Noam
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>>
>> Is it me or they just decided to erase the whole thing? (I am noticing
>> the new tiles at the lower zoom levels)
>>
>>
>> On 31 August 2010 16:51, Julio Costa Zambelli
>>  wrote:
>> > No.
>> >
>> > On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ  wrote:
>> >> Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks?
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
>> >> Gremmen  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So what ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Gert
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> >>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>> >>> [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Julio Costa Zambelli
>> >>> Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2010 18:11
>> >>> Aan: OSM-talk
>> >>> Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data
>> >>>
>> >>> Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS
>> >>> selling campaign
>> >>>
>> >>> (http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-
>> >>> openstreetmap/)
>> >>> (The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the
>> >>> local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its map here
>> >>> in Chile and not giving any kind of attribution, is it the same
>> >>> anywhere else? Is it a known fact that they are using OSM Data and not
>> >>> giving any kind of credit to the community?
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Is it me or they just decided to erase the whole thing? (I am noticing
the new tiles at the lower zoom levels)


On 31 August 2010 16:51, Julio Costa Zambelli
 wrote:
> No.
>
> On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ  wrote:
>> Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
>> Gremmen  wrote:
>>>
>>> So what ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Gert
>>>
>>>
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>>> [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Julio Costa Zambelli
>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2010 18:11
>>> Aan: OSM-talk
>>> Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data
>>>
>>> Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS
>>> selling campaign
>>> (http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-
>>> openstreetmap/)
>>> (The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the
>>> local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its map here
>>> in Chile and not giving any kind of attribution, is it the same
>>> anywhere else? Is it a known fact that they are using OSM Data and not
>>> giving any kind of credit to the community?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

No.

On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ  wrote:
> Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks?
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
> Gremmen  wrote:
>>
>> So what ?
>>
>>
>> Gert
>>
>>
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>> [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Julio Costa Zambelli
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2010 18:11
>> Aan: OSM-talk
>> Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data
>>
>> Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS
>> selling campaign
>> (http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-
>> openstreetmap/)
>> (The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the
>> local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its map here
>> in Chile and not giving any kind of attribution, is it the same
>> anywhere else? Is it a known fact that they are using OSM Data and not
>> giving any kind of credit to the community?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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[OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS
selling campaign
(http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-openstreetmap/)
(The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the
local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its map here
in Chile and not giving any kind of attribution, is it the same
anywhere else? Is it a known fact that they are using OSM Data and not
giving any kind of credit to the community?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Directions API available on OSM data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Thank you Ant.

On 27 August 2010 17:29,   wrote:
> We're working on both these items.
> First up will be getting the routing to daily updates - goal is ti have that
> solved within the month.
> Increased coverage will happen over time as we work through it - can't give
> you an official schedule or anything tho, right at this moment - hope you
> understand - there are some other things we want to get working first for
> routing before we go whole planet.
>
> Aut invenium viam aut faciam
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Nic Roets  wrote:
>
> First you need to ask "When will they support routing outside Europe / the
> UK ?"
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>>
>> Ant,
>>
>> Do you know how often will the data be updated?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julio Costa
>> OpenStreetMap Chile
>> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM,   wrote:
>> > FYI:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://blog.programmableweb.com/2010/08/24/new-mapquest-directions-api-built-on-open-data/
>> >
>> > Our own blog post goes out Monday, but it looks like programmable web
>> > found the slides from SOTM US.
>> >
>> > Details on our developer network at
>> >
>> > http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/featured/open-source/directions-service
>> >
>> > And the API itself is at http://open.mapquestapi.com/directions
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Ant
>> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Directions API available on OSM data

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Ant,

Do you know how often will the data be updated?

Cheers,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
http://www.openstreetmap.cl/

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM,   wrote:
> FYI:
>
> http://blog.programmableweb.com/2010/08/24/new-mapquest-directions-api-built-on-open-data/
>
> Our own blog post goes out Monday, but it looks like programmable web found 
> the slides from SOTM US.
>
> Details on our developer network at
> http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/featured/open-source/directions-service
>
> And the API itself is at http://open.mapquestapi.com/directions
>
> Cheers
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>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Michal,

It sounds great. If there is an "easy" way to do this I would love to
include the service in our local site (http://www.openstreetmap.cl/).

Regards,

Julio Costa

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michal Migurski  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> At this past weekend's State Of The Map conference in Atlanta, the idea of 
> integrating Walking Papers into the OSM site proper came up a few times. I'm 
> interested in pursuing this, potentially creating a branch of the project 
> specifically intended for inclusion on an external site.
>
> Do people this this is a good idea? An interesting idea?
>
> Who's the right group to talk to about this?
>
> -mike.
>
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Contributor Terms

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Thank you Frederik.

That is our exact case. All of the suburban highways data was imported
with two personal accounts (long time ago, with no knowledge of the
best practices for those kind of processes).

Do you know who will be managing this inside the Foundation?

Best Regards,

Julio Costa

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Julio,
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli wrote:
>>
>> Do you know what will happen if I do not agree with the CT permanently?
>
> In the long run there will be generally no room in OSM for data which has
> not been added under CT.
>
> It is possible for OSMF to make exceptions for individual cases, e.g. if you
> have used your account to import a lot of data which comes under a license
> that is ODbL compatible but not CT compatible then it is possible that OSMF
> makes a special deal with you.
>
> OSMF will be interested in keeping the number of such "special deals" low
> for two reasons:
>
> 1. Every one creates a lot of work to negotiate and set up.
>
> 2. Data which is in OSM based on such "deals" is a liability if OSMF ever
> wanted to do another license change. If that happens, data under such
> "deals" would have to be individually re-negotiated, again causing a lot of
> work, and there would be a potential data loss in the future.
>
> I'm not saying it can't be done; I am pretty sure it will be done for 2 or 3
> or 10 cases worldwide.
>
> Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Contributor Terms

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Peter,

Do you know what will happen if I do not agree with the CT permanently?

Cheers,

Julio Costa

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Peter Körner  wrote:
> Am 12.08.2010 10:18, schrieb Martin Fossdal Guttesen:
>>
>> i followed  the link under my settings
>>
>> i can’t find either a “Accept” or “Decline” button, just a “Agree” button
>>
>> what to do ?
>
> Leave it unchecked, close the browser page or go one page back.
>
> Peter
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Re: [OSM-talk] The License Change

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

+1

P.D.: I want ODbL without the relicensing clause.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Peter Körner  wrote:
> Am 11.08.2010 14:43, schrieb 80n:
>>
>> There needs to be an immediate vote, open to the whole community
>
> Okay, then let's collect the different possible answers:
>
> - I don't mind, let the LWG do what they need to.
> - I want ODbL
> - I want ODbL without relicensing clause
> - I don't want ODbL but will accept it if the license change takes
>  place anyway
> - I don't want ODbL and want my data to be removed if the license
>  change takes place anyway
>
> Please help to get this list complete.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Peteris,

I agree with you. I do not see anything wrong with ODbL this far. But
The third condition of the Contributor Terms is unacceptable to me.

Mappers from Germany or Southern England are probably one next to the
other at this point of OSMs history, so bulk imports sound like
absolutely disposable sources to them, but here in Chile we have some
regions with the same or lower population densities than Siberia, and
in those places the government agencies data is crucial.

Some cities in those regions are being and will be mapped by locals
and visitors, but there are dirt "highways" thousands kilometers
long[1] and rarely used which are very well mapped with our current
sources. It does not make any sense to me to insert an ambiguity
factor in our license scheme (CT3), leaving out perfectly reasonable
sources that work under our current pure BY-SA scheme.

Cheers

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carretera_Austral


On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Peteris Krisjanis  wrote:
> 2010/8/10 Anthony :
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Elena of Valhalla
>>  wrote:
>>> On 8/10/10, Anthony  wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Peter Körner 
 wrote:
> [...] CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases.

 That's certainly trivially incorrect.

 The database that holds Wikipedia is a database, for instance.
>>>
>>> And it's not under CC-BY-SA per se, it's a collection of creative
>>> works (the articles) that are under CC-BY-SA
>>
>> So you're agreeing with the statement that CC-BY-SA can't be used for
>> databases?  Okay, whatever.
>>
>
> This is going too many times around.
>
> For summary, there are:
> 1) People who are imported bunches of data from thirty party sources
> and owners those sources where fine with SA and/or Attribution
> clauses, or have licensed data under CC-BY-SA and are mostly easily
> reachable to relicense data to ODbL. These pople DON'T OPPOSE ODbL,
> but they DO OPPOSE CT, as it has nasty wording about "further
> re-licensing", which can make promises to keep data attributed and
> shared alike impossible. As far we know, there are several official
> complains made to LWG and we hope this will be fixed.
> p.s. I'm and several very loud people in this list in this group :)
>
> 2) There are people who oppose OdBL in general, as they are confused
> OR don't see problems with CC-BY-SA. Unfortunately, facts plus
> copyright law are in grey area, and it is very hard to say easily what
> works and what not. But from other side, LWG and OSMF have listened to
> complains and have done their homework on ODbL. So while it is leap of
> faith, it could be good one. For this group it would probably better
> scenario is a fork, as it seems majority of OSM contributors accept
> move to ODbL.
>
> Please take into account, that first group is rather big. We are not
> looking to ignore that CC-BY-SA is on shaky grounds, we want to use
> ODbL, but we want to be sure about future - therefore we are asking to
> fix wording of CT so we can be sure OSM in the future will be licensed
> using SA (we don't mind limited form of this in ODbL) and SA.
>
> I really hope LWG will soon make decision about re-licensing clauses
> in CT so we can move forward.
>
> Cheers, and have a nice day,
> Peter.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos  wrote:
> OSMF is not moving to "a PD license disguised as BY-SA", OSMF would
> like to move to ODbL. however, it has to be pointed out that CC BY-SA
> might be described as "a PD license disguised as BY-SA", since many
> lawyers (including those at Creative Commons) think that CC BY-SA is
> unsuitable for factual data (such as geodata) and may not be
> enforceable in many jurisdictions (such as the USA).

I know about the problems with (CC)BY-SA, and I also know that ODbL is
supposed to solve those. And unless I am getting lost in translation I
do not have any problem with ODbL, but with the point made by John
Smith about the third condition on the CT ("OSMF agrees to use or
sub-license Your Contents as part of a database and only under the
terms of one of the following licenses: ODbL 1.0 for the database and
DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database; CC-BY-SA 2.0; or
another free and open license").

In the process of approving the change to ODbL the Foundation is
asking us to let it change the license to something that may be PD in
the future. That said the imports that we have made here in Chile are
probably compatible with ODbL but not with letting the foundation
change the license to something "more open" than BY-SA.

Again, risking some misunderstanding with my far from perfect English,
I understand from what you are saying that two problems are trying to
be solved, the unfitness of the (CC)BY-SA license for our kind of
data, and the risk of loosing data in future changes of license.

The thing is that I am all about solving the first but not about
lossing lots of data today speculating about that first solution
failing in the future, risking lots of data then.

The only reason that I see to put that condition there is thinking
about changing the license to PD in the future without asking all the
contributors again.

> whether section 4 is enough to allow CC BY compatibility is something
> that OSMF is currently seeking legal advice on.

I guess this will help, but if the license can be changed in the
future to PD without asking the Gov agency, I am almost sure that they
will not comply with this.

> if (as i hope) the lawyers say that section 4 of the CT ensures
> compatibility with CC BY, why would section 3 pose a problem? if
> section 4 requires that OSMF provide a method of attribution then that
> couldn't be taken away by changes under section 3 unless a new version
> of the CT were released - which would require asking every single
> contributor and re-raising the problem of data loss: the very problem
> that section 3 is supposed to alleviate.

I think this time I actually got lost in translation but as far as I
understand it, the point 4 is useless if it can be discarded without
asking the contributors. Am I getting something wrong?

> migration to PD is not part of the plan. the motivation for that
> section is simply that needs and requirements change over time. when
> the project was started CC BY-SA seemed like a perfectly valid
> license. we're now 6 years on, and 2 years into trying to change the
> license, because we were wrong about CC BY-SA. while we think ODbL is
> far, far better - do we want to have the spectre of data loss again in
> another 6 years if we prove to be wrong again?

I think it is a perfectly reasonable risk in front of a sure damage.

> no-one wants to see any data loss. that's one of the many reasons
> we're moving from a BY-SA license to another BY-SA license. while
> there is an option to declare your preference with regard to PD, this
> is for information only.

It is a BY-SA to BY-SA moving as long as you do not give the OSMF the
right to move to PD (or anything different from BY-SA for this matter)
without asking again.
At this point I do not see any good reason to prefer PD and accept to
consecuences of moving to it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

George,

If "The contributor terms contain clauses that permit OSMF to do
whatever they like with the content including change the license" off
course any "non PD" import will not be compatible at all.

We will have to ask the agencies to agree with the Contributor Terms
but if we are changing to a PD license disguised as BY-SA (via the CT)
they probably will not cooperate. Even if the point four of the CT
works as enough attribution (who knows).

As I said most of the agencies just asked us to attribute the source
and we told them the way that we will do it. The ODbL (and for this
matter any BY-SA License) does not seem to pose a problem to that, but
that point three of the CT certainly may provoke a _huge_ mess.

What is the idea of putting that condition there? If some people wants
to migrate to Public Domain (and I have read many of them in this
list), why not ask directly for a PD migration acceptance instead of
asking people to accept this kind of CT as part of a BY-SA license
change?

If this is voted as a package I will obviously have to vote against
the change (I do not want to see 7/8 of the Chilean highways
disappearing from the map in one day, not to say many POIs that we
were about to import right now [hospitals, schools, etc.]).

Regards,

Julio Costa


On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:16 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>>
>> Aun,
>>
>> +1 from Chile.
>>
>> The government imports (some highways, schools, hospitals, boundaries,
>> etc.) are an essential part of what we are doing here, and at least
>> for us, the license change represents no problem.
>>
>> Every time we have negotiated with a government agency we have talked
>> about a BY-SA license and not about (CC) in particular (many times
>> explaining them that we are in a license transition process).
>>
>> Also most of the times those agencies only require from us the
>> attribution (in the complete suburban highway DB import process for
>> example). The most important part of the negotiation for us is to
>> explain them how are we going to attribute them with some tags (most
>> of the times: source=* and/or attribution=*) in every way and node
>> data that they provide to us, instead of a footer note in a slippy map
>> like the one Google Maps/Earth use.
>
> Do those agencies realise that under ODbL Produced Works do not require
> attribution?  It doesn't sound like your imports are compatible at all.
>
> They are also required to agree to the contributor terms.  You will not be
> allowed to agree to them on their behalf.  The contributor terms contain
> clauses that permit OSMF to do whatever they like with the content including
> change the license.
>
> It's possible that your imports will not be compatible with at least some
> parts of the three proposed agreements ODbL, DbCL and CT.
>
> 80n
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Aun Johnsen  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Erik Johansson  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie :
>> >> > Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith:
>> >> >> On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson  wrote:
>> >> >>> Australia 2 people per km^2
>> >> >>> Sweden 21 people per km^2
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
>> >> >
>> >> > You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is
>> >> > also where the people are.
>> >>
>> >> I formally invite you to come to Sweden, which I find a pretty
>> >> interesting place.
>> >>
>> >> There are really nice views here, if enough European OSM:er spend
>> >> their vacation here we could probably map Sweden in 5 years? A great
>> >> place to start i Härjedalen beautiful mountains and lots of mapping to
>> >> do, even in areas where there are no people within 3 hours of travel.
>> >> So the interesting thing about these places (for most people) is that
>> >> there are few very ppl.
>> >>
>> >> You can put those "blank spots" in Austria/Germany in perspective, and
>> >> get to map some really low density places; e.g. try to figure out the
>> >> name of a thousand lakes, mountains or the footpath you are on, it's
>> >> not like there are signs. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Härjedalen with a few blank spots:
>> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=62.546&mlon=12.542&zo

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

John,

That may be a problem, but my impression is that the point four solves it.

Cheers

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:56 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> On 9 August 2010 23:40, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>> The government imports (some highways, schools, hospitals, boundaries,
>> etc.) are an essential part of what we are doing here, and at least
>> for us, the license change represents no problem.
>
> What about the new contributor terms that don't guarantee that future
> licenses will offer BY-SA?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Aun,

+1 from Chile.

The government imports (some highways, schools, hospitals, boundaries,
etc.) are an essential part of what we are doing here, and at least
for us, the license change represents no problem.

Every time we have negotiated with a government agency we have talked
about a BY-SA license and not about (CC) in particular (many times
explaining them that we are in a license transition process).

Also most of the times those agencies only require from us the
attribution (in the complete suburban highway DB import process for
example). The most important part of the negotiation for us is to
explain them how are we going to attribute them with some tags (most
of the times: source=* and/or attribution=*) in every way and node
data that they provide to us, instead of a footer note in a slippy map
like the one Google Maps/Earth use.

Cheers


On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Aun Johnsen  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Erik Johansson  wrote:
>>
>> 2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie :
>> > Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith:
>> >> On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson  wrote:
>> >>> Australia 2 people per km^2
>> >>> Sweden 21 people per km^2
>> >>
>> >> Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
>> >
>> > You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is
>> > also where the people are.
>>
>> I formally invite you to come to Sweden, which I find a pretty
>> interesting place.
>>
>> There are really nice views here, if enough European OSM:er spend
>> their vacation here we could probably map Sweden in 5 years? A great
>> place to start i Härjedalen beautiful mountains and lots of mapping to
>> do, even in areas where there are no people within 3 hours of travel.
>> So the interesting thing about these places (for most people) is that
>> there are few very ppl.
>>
>> You can put those "blank spots" in Austria/Germany in perspective, and
>> get to map some really low density places; e.g. try to figure out the
>> name of a thousand lakes, mountains or the footpath you are on, it's
>> not like there are signs. :-)
>>
>> Härjedalen with a few blank spots:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=62.546&mlon=12.542&zoom=9
>>
>> Even Stockholm has quite a few of those blankspots.
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.32&lon=18.07&zoom=9
>>
>> So Dirk and Cartinus when are you coming over to map Sweden?
>>
>>
>> /Erik who has spent lots of time in blank spots.
>
> I hear Fredrikk (among others) dislikes imports, and I hear his argument
> that it might work discouraging on people to have large areas imported. But
> here in the Brazilian community we see imports as a necessary way to improve
> map coverage, which in turn can increase reqruitment.
>
> Brazil is a country the size of europe, but still we are only a handful
> contributors, some of which (myself included) are not native Brazilians.
>
> This discussion started with wether or not the proposed change of license
> could go on because of some imported data somewhere was in an uncompatible
> license. I can with this confirm that at least 99% of imported data in
> Brazil is compatible with the change of license, and most of that also is
> compatible with the even more extreme (but currently not considered) Public
> Domain license.
>
> If people from the "overcrowded" European communities, (or anywhere else for
> that matter), want to map blank spots like Erik invites to, than Brazil must
> be the paradise for you. Only a few regions of Brazil have local
> contributions, Yahoo coverage is limited to a few metropolitan areas, and
> the majority of imported data is crude, with low node density. Just a few
> places have a high detail level, so even in the mapped areas there are much
> to do. Just browse to Copacobana in Rio de Janeiro, the streets are there,
> but hardly any shops, restaurants, bars, hotels, parking spaces, etc.
> Running out of things to map in Hamburg doesn't mean the map is completed.
>
> Actually, after I imported the municipal data of Vitoria, the state capital
> of Espirito Santo, Brazil, I have noticed an increase in registrations of
> users in that area. This are people that might fill in the data that I
> couldn't import, correct inaccuracies in the import (old data?), and map the
> areas outside the limit of the import. In Brazil, imports helps reqruiting,
> and is encouraging to the people living in the region, but feel free to
> contribute with some of your survey data next time you visit Brazil.
>
> Aun
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Re: [OSM-talk] $8000 low earth orbit satelite

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

:)

In the meantime I will keep myself busy working on the OSM Drone (In
CL_ES: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cl/2010-July/000644.html).

It will be an RC Airplane (probably a Hobbico FlyZone SkyFly Max[1] or
a Multiplex Easy Star[2]) equipped with an ArduPilot Mega[3] from DIY
Drones and a Canon camera with CHDK[4] taking the pictures.

I have great expectations about this project and I will try to keep
you all informed of the progress of it.

Cheers,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
http://www.openstreetmap.cl/

[1] http://www.flyzoneplanes.com/airplanes/hcaa2511/index.html
[2] http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFRU7&P=ML
[3] http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ardupilot-mega-home-page
[4] http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK


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> How about we buy one of these as a Christmas present?
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/8000_diy_satellite_kit.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Andy,

I agree. Actually I was thinking on how to integrate P2 with a new design
for our Chilean website. The idea of integrating Potlatch with our own
website graphics/color scheme, instead of sending people to a completely
different website/graphic (openstreetmap.org) as we are doing now, sounds
great.

Cheers

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Andy Allan  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
> > Great work Richard. But it still needs lots of improvement to compete
> with
> > Potlatch 1 (I know, I know, It is still in Public Alpha).
> >
> > Will there be a permanent website for the soon to be legacy version
> (1.4)?
> > Will this new version stay in geowiki.com or will replace 1.4 in the
> Edit
> > tab?
>
> I think the point where it's good enough to start thinking about
> replacing Potlatch 1 on the edit tab is still a long way off. It's
> much more likely that, when it moves out of alpha, Potlatch 2 appears
> and gets used on other sites first since it's much easier to
> customize.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Great work Richard. But it still needs lots of improvement to compete with
Potlatch 1 (I know, I know, It is still in Public Alpha).

Will there be a permanent website for the soon to be legacy version (1.4)?
Will this new version stay in geowiki.com or will replace 1.4 in the Edit
tab?

I will say it again, Great Work!

Cheers

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> Dave F. wrote:
>
>> One thing I can't find is GPX tracks (key: G). Has it not been
>> implemented yet or am I going blind?
>>
>
> Not yet! It's next on the list. But you can load a GPX from somewhere on
> the web (Flash permission stuff notwithstanding) using the vector layers
> stuff in the "Background" menu.
>
> cheers
> Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Kai,

Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this
bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week?

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Julio Costa
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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Kai Krueger  wrote:

>
>
> John Smith-7 wrote:
> >
> > I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v accounts, to me a
> > user isn't a user unless they've made 5 or more edits.
> >
>
> Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at
> least
> one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn
> up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at
> least one edit. I haven't done the statistics for 5 or more edits.
>
> Some other statistics about users that might be interesting though. In the
> past week there were 1559 users who's first edit was less than 5 days ago.
> An additional 610 users whos first edit was less than 45 days ago. 2942
> Users less than 500 days and another 1070 edited this week who have been
> with OSM for more than 500 days.
>
> So that appears like a fairly healthy distribution between new and old
> mappers. I haven't broken those numbers down by region, which might be
> quite
> interesting too.
>
> Kai
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] sanity check for maintaining GPS tracks

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Thank you for your answers, I will try both of them tonight.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Liz  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Julio Costa Zambelli wrote:
> > Is there an application that someone can recommend to manually "clean"
> the
> > track before uploading it to OSM?
> >
> Viking can be used to do this. It's a Linux app.
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Re: [OSM-talk] sanity check for maintaining GPS tracks

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Niklas,

I think what Maning meant was how to clean the track itself, sometimes you
have very long lines (in the middle or the end of the track) that do not
represent the track that you droved or walked. At first this "crazy lines"
will not be a problem, but eventually you will press the "g" key in Potlatch
for a certain area and it will show just too many of those lines to
distinguish the good ones.

An example of those "crazy lines" here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Zambelli%20Limitada/traces/664979

Is there an application that someone can recommend to manually "clean" the
track before uploading it to OSM?

Regards,

Julio Costa


2010/4/13 Niklas Cholmkvist 

> maning sent:
>
> > I have hundreds of GPS tracks. Some are uploaded in OSM, some I forgot
> > to upload.  Some are clean, some are dirty, some are squiggly and some
> > are a big cloud of points pointing to my house.
> Are you troubled about privacy? (you mention points, pointing to your
> house)
> Many of my gps traces also point to my house, although from my mapping
> it's anyway easy to locate my house.(if one really wants to find out)
>
> > Any advice on how to maintain/clean the tracks before uploading?
> I have 3 folders:
> 1. "Private traces" - all my private traces that I don't feel I want to
> share
> 2. "Public traces" - traces that I want to share, but I've not uploaded
> yet.(can be that I still have other uploaded traces that I want to
> organise more)
> 3. "Uploaded traces" - Here go files from "Public traces" that have been
> uploaded to OSM.
>
> Currently my "Public traces" is empty. That is because I moved all my
> gpx traces to the "Uploaded traces" folder. I don't think I'm explaining
> any serious organisation scheme, just how I personally organise my
> traces.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Niklas
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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Hello,

Frederik got the idea almost completely right. The coastline is not the
Chilean maritime border but just the regional and municipal border. This is
a matter of jurisdiction since the authorities in the land are not the same
as in the sea. But we DO have territorial waters, but those are part of the
country as a whole and not territorial waters of a certain region or
municipality.

The extension of certain land borders into the sea, is just to signal (to
the people watching the map, without any other data source) that the islands
in one side of those lines are part of the X region, and the islands in the
other side of the line are part of the Y region. (Examples:
http://osm.org/go/MIvRLK- and http://osm.org/go/JczwGC-).

Regards,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Roland Olbricht wrote:
> > For this reason I would strongly encourage you to use the territorial
> waters
> > like most countries in Europe.
>
> As far as I understood Julio, he wanted to say that while they'd use the
> territorial waters for the country of Chile, their administrative
> subdivisions do *not* have something like territorial waters, so their
> authority ends at the coastline.
>
> I'm starting to think that maybe we should stop rendering administrative
> boundaries altogether. I think that technically Julio did the right
> thing, but this example shows that rendering that kind of boundary is
> somewhat useless.
>
> You might now be tempted to say: "Oh well, let's just skip rendering
> boundaries where the boundary is a also coastline". But firstly this is
> likely to be complicated with Mapnik, and secondly, much to my dismay,
> mappers in Germany have begun to map municipal boundaries along the
> coastline as a separate way, with a geometry *different* from the
> coastline, arguing that even if the boundary has been defined to match
> the coastline a certain time ago, the coastline may have changed and
> legally the boundary has not, creating little bits of maritime territory
> belonging to the municipality and little bits of land territory between
> the coast and the border of the seashore municipality.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Florian,

The Region of Aysén del General Carlos Ibañez del Campo in the Chilean
Patagonia is composed by hundreds of Islands and fjords, and each one of
them is being included inside the region boundaries (
http://osm.org/go/JdvTx--).

It seams reasonable to surround the pieces of land under some local
government jurisdiction if the sea around them is under some central or
federal government jurisdiction (that is why the sea boundaries only include
the Chile relation). Regional and municipal jurisdictions only reach to the
coastlines, from there to the territorial, contiguous and exclusive economic
zone sea boundary lines the navy is in charge of providing security and
enforce the law.

Some examples of coastline boundaries that I found in Europe:
http://osm.org/go/xVvgL5p-- http://osm.org/go/xX2ApwZz-
http://osm.org/go/eq...@o-

If it is not the "right" way to do it or there is a better way to do it,
please let me know.

Regards,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:

>
> Hi,
> i put together all boundary relations in the Database and got to this:
>
> osm=# select * from relation_tags where relation_id = 305693;
>  relation_id |  k  |  v
>
> -+-+-
>  305693 | admin_level | 4
>  305693 | boundary| administrative
>  305693 | name| XI Región Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del
> Campo
>  305693 | type| boundary
> (4 rows)
>
> osm=# select count(member_id) from relation_members where relation_id =
> 305693;
>  count
> ---
>  5524
> (1 row)
>
> I havent looked at it very closely - but 5000 members in a boundary
> relations
> sounds very much broken ...
>
> It is be far leading the boundary relation member highscorer:
>
>  relation_id | count
> -+---
>  305693 |  5524
>  301542 |  4442
>  102039 |   981
>  356911 |   836
>  357113 |   772
>   94354 |   764
>   51477 |   686
>  166570 |   668
>  349004 |   660
>  391132 |   656
>  102740 |   651
>   90162 |   648
>   51684 |   631
>   89072 |   608
>  442397 |   579
>
> Flo
> --
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>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iQIVAwUBS696rpDdQSDLCfIvAQia4hAAgRE1SaDvCfXzeFWVWG06kA3V4HoI1TIH
> bn7M7D1EZxj+VNg2BbAAiZiQj4LTzQsrbk4vwuKXmq2aZJi4n9Z8B0NJVVZm1Fuk
> HKtk//63t0FFRnaHGrqk2l3+/vDd7ai2YjZowyUK8btCbJsJ619gIu0jTuV6gWUr
> XkjaaTFWnhxtWBiobo8k6MzTYPvpP44GL+TGZqtyUnyceF+V45Q+cXIhGsRZC21i
> mUSLxm7OHmTudXcuBJDkF6HRFPfiipw31KAd3pJgKJGVzAT2E0E77L16RblAsLVe
> SNNgbOLay7yzsVWxC9RionQ44YyyopOytvL2xMXgo5WsQd1N8E+v/hxrDEeRtiFE
> FiBZ8qo1gIWnpOtCuPQBTLBfjJF99X6nG1Wv0WkqVxD4l0doWTtJouuTUly0bae0
> mXBO0CvHxZlkLYj9z4NsM9QJwhHTwqRF+DHjbCYq+DpaI53MeCvdg6EOEKILz4pd
> tjqoIfgCR48cU9UGTezQDuCxYS6XN2Jq98ddpK20f16Mz/sD1WPkKdX8nUz7Xfgo
> 1ZhVq+JXnT++q0clnGwyuCpEHUcCyCkmQs80zs45pq9SpzK12cdQSnXnA6OvxEMU
> zDaRORBqi/P3lp07eMbsENweulzdJkSCttfMv8fu/MaU0vNVtlEBcmyKhcUOmPic
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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Thank you Cristiano. I had a problem with my email and was not able to check
this before.

The tiles look great.

Regards,

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OpenStreetMap Chile
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Cristiano Giovando wrote:

> Sorry guys, just saw this. With tilecache on the WMS now should work
> in Potlatch:
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-33.46305&lon=-70.66235&zoom=17&tileurl=http://geohub.jrc.ec.europa.eu/tilecache/tilecache.cgi/1.0.0/chile/!/!/!.png<http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-33.46305&lon=-70.66235&zoom=17&tileurl=http://geohub.jrc.ec.europa.eu/tilecache/tilecache.cgi/1.0.0/chile/%21/%21/%21.png>
>
> Careful when tracing, as someone noted on the wiki, the image for
> Santiago if off by few hundred meters (original tiff from GeoEye).
>
>
> C
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 05:26, Mikel Maron  wrote:
> > The JRC has also set up a WMS-C ... Cristiano, can this be queried via
> > spherical mercator tiling scheme? (for example /zoom/x/y.jpg)?
> >
> > == Mikel Maron ==
> > +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> > http://mapkibera.org/
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti
> >
> > 
> > From: Julio Costa Zambelli 
> > To: OSM-talk ; talk-cl <
> talk...@openstreetmap.org>;
> > h...@openstreetmap.org
> > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:39:50 AM
> > Subject: [HOT] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile
> >
> > Second try.
> >
> > I need to find someone with the technical expertise necessary to generate
> > tiles that would be used as a Potlatch editor background. The URLs for
> the
> > WMS (probable source for the tiles?) can be found at:
> >
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#GeoEye_and_DigitalGlobe
> >
> > Thanks a lot to anyone capable of achieving this elusive goal.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Julio Costa
> > OpenStreetMap Chile
> > http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> >
> >
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[OSM-talk] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Second try.

I need to find someone with the technical expertise necessary to generate
tiles that would be used as a Potlatch editor background. The URLs for the
WMS (probable source for the tiles?) can be found at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#GeoEye_and_DigitalGlobe

Thanks a lot to anyone capable of achieving this elusive goal.

Regards,

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[OSM-talk] GeoEye TMS for Chile

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to know if someone is working in a TMS for Chiles GeoEye imagery (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#GeoEye_and_DigitalGlobe).
If the answer is no, I would also like to know if someone is technically
capable and interested in doing it.

Thank you for your answers and help.

Regards,

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[OSM-talk] People in charge of the tiles used in haiti.openstreetmap.nl

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

I am trying to contact the people that generated the tiles used in the
haiti.openstreetmap.nl site.

Please send me an email to julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

Thank you.

Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap + Ushahidi-Chile in the works + partnerships

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Yes, I do know Chillan, Cobquecura, Buchupureo, Dichato, and pretty much the
southern part of the area affected (My mother, brother and grandparents live
in Chillan).

I think that we can make a list of cities and towns around the epicentre and
start mapping from the centre to the more remote ones. There are plenty of
small town right near to the epicentre, most of them affected by the tsunami
(the ones right by the sea) and many more inland with infraestructure
problems.

I am organizing some training sessions for people with knowledge from the
most affected areas but living in Santiago. The idea is that they learn to
use Potlatch to add all that stuff that can not be added from the aerial
imagery, i.e.: Street names, hospitals, schools, police stations,
supermarkets, convenience stores, etc. to OpenStreetMap. I will keep you
informed on the progress of this.

Cheers,

Julio Costa


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:

> Do you have ideas of things to do / tasks ?
>
>
> I think satellite imagery should be available "soon" for tracing.
>
> Do you guys know the impacted area ?
>
> Maybe you could plan some kind of work plan for volunteers to help ?
>
> (e.g. with a wiki page, or a shared spreadsheet on Google Doc)
>
> How to split the work ? By area ?
>
> What would be priority themes ?
>
> Locate damages announced in the news ? (Damaged roads, collapsed bridges,
> maybe damaged buildings ? )
>
> How to coordinate ? talk-cl (OSM specific), crisismappers-chile (more
> general, e.g. also including Ushahidi), osm-talk (to get general OSM
> attention) ?
>
> Is there an IRC channel ?
>
> (The most relevant I am aware of might be #crisiscommons on irc.rhok.org
>
> Of course, there is also #osm on oftc.net, for OSM stuff)
>
> Best
>
> (puedo hablar espanol o traducir si es mejor /
> I can help translating to / from Spanish)
>
> Jean-Guilhem
> Toulouse, France
> OpenStreetMap volunteer
> (Experience with Haiti mapping - especially regarding health facilities,
> PAHO (Pan American Health Organization) Master List, etc.
> professionally works with satellite images - research and software
> development for image analysis, segmentation...)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Media monitoring sources for Chile]

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Some photos I took at dawn crossing the street from my appartment:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/julio_costa/4392507788


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli <
julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl> wrote:

> Jean-Guilhem,
>
> If you search for the hashtag #terremotochile in Twitter you will find a
> lot of tweets about the earthquake, the downside is that they are mostly in
> Spanish, but at least you would be able to check the photos and videos.
>
> There are many local newspapers and TV channels, but most of them are in
> Spanish:
>
> http://www.emol.com/
> http://www.latercera.com/
> http://www.tvn.cl/
> http://www.chilevision.cl/
>
> There is also an English online newspaper http://www.santiagotimes.cl/ but
> it is slower than the bigger ones with the news and it is not working for my
> right now.
>
> I will give you any updates through the talk-cl list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julio Costa
> OpenStreetMap Chile
> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>
>
>  On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Message original   Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Media
>> monitoring sources for Chile  Date : Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:27:38 -0500  De :
>> Patrick Meier (CrisisMappers) 
>>   Répondre
>> à : crisismapp...@googlegroups.com  Pour : crisismappers
>>Copie
>> à : crisismappers-chile 
>> 
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> If you know of good media sources (Twitter, blogs, online news, etc) for
>> Chile, feel free to add them to this Google Doc:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/cC5irR
>>
>>
>> Also, in an effort not to clog the main CrisisMappers Google Group, we've
>> launched CrisisMappers-Chile:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers-chile<http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers-chile?lnk=gcamh>
>>
>> Please join for any CrisisMappers actions related to Chile.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Patrick
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Media monitoring sources for Chile]

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Jean-Guilhem,

If you search for the hashtag #terremotochile in Twitter you will find a lot
of tweets about the earthquake, the downside is that they are mostly in
Spanish, but at least you would be able to check the photos and videos.

There are many local newspapers and TV channels, but most of them are in
Spanish:

http://www.emol.com/
http://www.latercera.com/
http://www.tvn.cl/
http://www.chilevision.cl/

There is also an English online newspaper http://www.santiagotimes.cl/ but
it is slower than the bigger ones with the news and it is not working for my
right now.

I will give you any updates through the talk-cl list.

Cheers,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:

>
>
>  Message original   Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Media
> monitoring sources for Chile  Date : Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:27:38 -0500  De :
> Patrick Meier (CrisisMappers) 
>   Répondre
> à : crisismapp...@googlegroups.com  Pour : crisismappers
>Copie
> à : crisismappers-chile 
> 
>
> Hi All,
>
> If you know of good media sources (Twitter, blogs, online news, etc) for
> Chile, feel free to add them to this Google Doc:
>
> http://bit.ly/cC5irR
>
>
> Also, in an effort not to clog the main CrisisMappers Google Group, we've
> launched CrisisMappers-Chile:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers-chile
>
> Please join for any CrisisMappers actions related to Chile.
>
> Thank you,
> Patrick
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] Nuevo capa / new layer

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Danilo,

Yo estoy usando Thuban en Ubuntu para ver los archivos Shapefile.

Hay otros archivos, en este momento no recuerdo en que formato, para los
cuales aun no he buscado una alternativa. Si encuentras algo para esos otros
archivos, por favor avisame.

Saludos,

Julio Costa

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Danilo Lacoste  wrote:

> hola denuevo, alguien conoce alguna herramienta opensource que me
> permita leer estos archivos ?
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
> wrote:
> > Danilo,
> >
> > Están acá :
> > http://maps.geography.uc.edu/~cgn/maps/Chile/vectors/
> >
> > (mas detalles en el wiki
> >
> >
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#Willett-Nicholas_data_sets
> >
> > que necesitaría mostrar nuevos conjuntos de datos).
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> > Jean-Guilhem
> >
> >
> > Danilo Lacoste a écrit :
> >
> > ¿como puedo acceder / descargar esta información?
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Bruce Willett 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just uploaded 2 more datasets Region 9 and the comuna of Nueva Imperial
> in
> > zipped geodatabase.
> >
> > caio,
> > bruce
> >
> > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
> > Bruce D. Willett
> > GIS Specialist  Punta Arenas, Chile
> > bdwil...@n2.net www.n2.net/bdwillet
> >
> > Photo log: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bdwillet/
> >
> > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
> > can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> >
> > "La Civilización de un pueblo se mide por la
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> >
> > Disclaimer: Opinions stated herein are mine, mine,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Rapideye gives Chile sat images to OSM

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Great news Jochen. Thank you.

And of course, Thanks to RapidEye

Cheers,

Julio Costa
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Jochen Topf  wrote:

> Rapideye gives Chile sat images to OSM
>
> The german satellite company Rapideye has released satellite images for the
> areas in Chile affected by the earth quake to OpenStreetMap. The images are
> copyrighted but can be used to add data to OSM.
>
> For information on how to include these images into JOSM and Potlatch see
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#RapidEye
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Open Imagery for Chile]

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Nicolas,

Right now I am writing a message to Cecilia Diaz from ONEMI (the technical
contact mentioned at the UN page). I will explain her everything about what
we are doing and how they can benefit of it.

Cheers,

Julio Costa



On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:59 PM, nicolas chavent
wrote:

> Dear Julio and all-
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:
>
>>  Dear Julio, (it's easier for me to write in English, since you
>> understand)
>>
>> David writes:
>>
>> "Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use
>> in Chile as well. "
>>
>> My understanding, in this context, is that "wider use" would likely
>> include tracing by OSM.
>> (But no specific imagery is mentioned)
>>
>> It would probably be best to ask him (and/or specific imagery sources) for
>> clarification, and also how the source image would be available.
>>
>
> Agree this still needs to be clarified-
>
>>
>>
>> Getting in touch with Chile institutions ONEMI and SNIT would certainly be
>> a good thing ("any effort should be centred on their needs and
>> guidance"). I see there is a contact at ONEMI for the Charter at:
>>
>>
>> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>>
>
> If not already done, it's fundamental to push the OSM data into the hands
> of those entities, the way it has been pushed in the hands of international
> responding entities and then explore the potential for wider cooperation-
>
>
>>
>> I have heard that Chile has now decided to accept the help of the
>> international community. This would be a way people from abroad could
>> contribute, along with fellow Chile citizens, like those whose effort you
>> are organising.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jean-Guilhem
>>
>
>
>
> Best
> Nicolas.
>
>
>>
>> Julio Costa Zambelli a écrit :
>>
>> (In English after the break...)
>>
>> Estimado Jean-Guilhem,
>>
>> En la misma linea de las preguntas de Mikel (No me quedo del todo claro
>> con la respuesta de David), ¿Tienes alguna claridad sobre la liberación de
>> la licencia de GeoEye una vez que sus imágenes estén disponibles?
>> (Obviamente la frase: "5 disasters since Haiti and none of them received
>> the same attention and dedication as Haiti" me preocupa)
>>
>> El resto de las imágenes ya disponibles están bien, pero la alta
>> resolución es muy necesaria para avanzar en el trazado y etiquetado de todos
>> los pueblos de la zona afectada.
>>
>> Gracias todos por su ayuda y cooperación.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Julio Costa
>> OpenStreetMap Chile
>> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>>
>> ##ENGLISH##
>>
>> Dear Jean-Guilhem,
>>
>> In the same line of Mikels questions (I did not see it clear on Davids
>> response), Are you clear on the liberation of GeoEyes data license once
>> their imagery is available? (Obviously the phrase "5 disasters since
>> Haiti and none of them received the same attention and dedication as Haiti"
>> concerns me)
>>
>> The already available images are alright, but high resolution imagery is
>> quite necessary to trace and tag all the towns on the affected area.
>>
>> Thank you all for your help and cooperation.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julio Costa
>> OpenStreetMap Chile
>> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:
>>
>>> Hola,
>>>
>>> Imágenes satélite de Chile post-evento están disponibles. Ver
>>> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>>> y
>>>
>>> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>>> para detalles.
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>>
>>> Jean-Guilhem
>>>
>>>
>>>  Message original   Sujet : Re: Open Imagery for Chile  
>>> Date :
>>> Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:58:36 +0100  De : David Stevens
>>>Répondre à :
>>> crisismappers-ch...@googlegroups.com  Pour : Mikel Maron
>>>Copie à :
>>>   Références : 
>>> <68743.49937...@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com><68743.49937...@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Mikel,
>>>
>>> I wanted to put forward some info and help build upon your proposal.
>>>
>>> First of all I do want to say that UN-SP

Re: [OSM-talk] [GIST] Chile Post

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Dear Nicolas,

Is that the information already in OpenStreetMap?

Cheers,

Julio Costa


On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:34 PM, nicolas chavent
wrote:

> Julio
> this might be another set of data for consideration in this crisis
> response.
> best
> N
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Karen Payne 
> Date: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:56 PM
> Subject: [GIST] Chile Post
> To: g...@listserv.itos.uga.edu
>
>
>   The following datasets for Chile have been published to the GIST Data
> Repository:
>
>
>
> Download all datasets:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/temp/dwnlds/20100301/chile_datasets.zip
>
>
>
> *Note:  *Collective downloads will be available for one week.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Datasets:<#1271c148098bf2c7_1271beb9332efe2e_1271b4d06aa0df4f_Downloadable_Data_Sets>
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Downloadable Data Sets   Return to 
> Top<#1271c148098bf2c7_1271beb9332efe2e_1271b4d06aa0df4f__top>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Administrative Boundary Lines
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 528kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_administrative.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Buildings
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 40kB
>
> *Data Originator:* OpenStreetMap
> *Data Provider:* GeoCommons
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/buildings_osm.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Coastline
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 4,968kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_coastline.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Places
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 98kB
>
> *Data Originator:* OpenStreetMap
> *Data Provider:* GeoCommons
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/places_osm.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Points of Interest
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 96kB
>
> *Data Originator:* OpenStreetMap
> *Data Provider:* GeoCommons
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/poi_osm.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Points of Interest
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 166kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_poi.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Railroads
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 97kB
>
> *Data Originator:* OpenStreetMap
> *Data Provider:* GeoCommons
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/railroads_osm.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Roads
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 11,338kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_highway.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Water Bodies
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 3,328kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_water.zip
>
>
>
> *Content Title:* Chile Woods, Forests, Parks, and Water Surfaces
> *Data Format:* ESRI Shapefile
> *Coordinate System:* GCS_WGS_1984
> *File Size:* 655kB
>
> *Data Originator:* CloudMade (OpenStreetMap)
> *Data Provider:* University of Georgia - ITOS
> *Data Distributor:* Geographic Information Support Team
>
> Download Location:
> https://gist.itos.uga.edu/data/americas/countries/chile/datasets/chile_natural.zip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] Chile Datasets Imports, Mapping

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Bruce,

We have to be careful about this: "Pero tambien Chile tiene una nuevo ley de
tranparencia dice los datos hecho de servicio publico son publico pero con
muchas papeles". When we were importing the Dirección de Vialidad roads
data, the people from the NGO Derechos Digitales (
http://www.derechosdigitales.org/) told me that the Chilean Government
generated data is not Public Domain by default (as in the US). You have to
ask for permission to use it to an authorized officer, making very clear the
kind of license used to release the derivative work (in this case
CC-BY-SA).

Cheers,

Julio Costa


On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Willett wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have lost my login to 
> maps.geography.uc.edu/~cgn/maps/Chile/vectors/
>
> If it is not super urgent I will wait to Chris wakes up, now it is almost 7
> there.
>
> I have Region 9 almost ready as well as the comuna of Nueva Imperial.
>
> I'll give Chris another hour,
>
>
> caio,
>
> bruce
>
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
> Bruce D. Willett
> GIS Specialist  Punta Arenas, Chile
> bdwil...@n2.net www.n2.net/bdwillet
>
> Photo log: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bdwillet/
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
> can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
>
> "La Civilización de un pueblo se mide por la
> forma que tratan a los animales". Gandhi
>
> Disclaimer: Opinions stated herein are mine, mine,
> mine, all mine and not those of anybody else
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
>
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> I guess, you could keep on as you have done, starting with the hardest hit
>> areas, weighted by population, with less communications, and with lighter
>> data files...
>>
>> (Santiago for instance is very populated, but, if you have a lot of
>> detailed data, could also be very long to upload...)
>>
>> From Wikipedia :
>> Araucania region (IX region) population: 870 000
>> O'Higgins region(VI region) pop. : 780 000
>> Valparaiso region (V region) pop. : 1 540 000
>> Santiago metropolitan region pop. : 7 000 000
>> (you guys know geography further South better than I do)
>>
>> Seeing on
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/world/americas/01chile.html?pagewanted=2&src=tptw
>> that 541 of 708 known deaths took place in Maule region, but also in other
>> places that Concepcion was seriously damaged, my guess would be that regions
>> further South, and farther away from Santiago, will be reached later or with
>> more difficulty by relief support. So I'd guess it'd be interesting to
>> upload Araucania Region data next, if you have some.
>>
>> Roads possible for relief support would also probably be useful.
>>
>> Of course, everybody is welcome to chime in, especially if you have
>> information, or have been following the local news (I haven't yesterday,
>> only on Saturday).
>>
>> Sebastian, I think it is a good idea to help Bruce with your bandwidth if
>> it is possible.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Jean-Guilhem
>>
>>
>> Bruce Willett a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This has been uploaded.  I have other stuuf I could upload but don't know
>>> what is best.
>>>
>>> caio,
>>>
>>> bruce
>>>
>>> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
>>> Bruce D. Willett
>>> GIS Specialist  Punta Arenas, Chile
>>> bdwil...@n2.net www.n2.net/bdwillet
>>>
>>> Photo log: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bdwillet/
>>>
>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
>>> can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
>>>
>>> "La Civilización de un pueblo se mide por la
>>> forma que tratan a los animales". Gandhi
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: Opinions stated herein are mine, mine,
>>> mine, all mine and not those of anybody else
>>> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Turismo Aonikenk Ltda. - Sebastian Borgwardt wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hola Bruce,

 =ENGLISH=

 Is this the data you said you'd upload:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#Willett-Nicholas_data_sets
 Can anyone please comment, if this data is what we're looking for? The
 reason I'm asking is that Bruce and I are both in Punta Arenas. The 
 internet
 connection down here is not realy the fastest (256k upload). Bruce has a 
 lot
 of data. I could go to his house, take some data back to my house and could
 help uploading, but we need more info on what we need.

 =SPANISH=
 Estos son los datos que has dicho que estaras subiendo:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#Willett-Nicholas_data_sets
 Alguien puede decirnos, si estos datos son lo que estamos buscando? La
 razon de porque pregunto es que Bruce y yo estamos en Punta Arenas. La
 coneccion de internet no es la mas rap

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] OpenStreetMap + Ushahidi-Chile in the works + partnerships

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Leo,

Estoy al tanto, de hecho he escrito un par de cosas en la lista, abogando
por usar USHAHIDI en lugar de desarrollar desde cero.

Si les interesa que vaya mañana después del trabajo (17:30-->), yo feliz. Ya
me ofrecí a través de la lista de correo, pero creo que no hubo respuesta.
Como te digo, estoy totalmente disponible.

Saludos,

Julio Costa

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Leo Soto M.  wrote:

> Julio,
>
> En caso que aún no sepas (probablemente ya sabes), se ha juntado un
> grupo para armar chileayuda.com en Huelen 164, oficinas de Oxus, y por
> lo que he visto acá, parte importante de lo que se esta haciendo es
> una interfaz de mapas, conectado a ushaidi.
>
> En caso que no hayas estado al tanto y te interese coordinarte con
> ellos, seria genial que te pusieras en contacto con ellos.
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
> > Yes, I do know Chillan, Cobquecura, Buchupureo, Dichato, and pretty much
> the
> > southern part of the area affected (My mother, brother and grandparents
> live
> > in Chillan).
> >
> > I think that we can make a list of cities and towns around the epicentre
> and
> > start mapping from the centre to the more remote ones. There are plenty
> of
> > small town right near to the epicentre, most of them affected by the
> tsunami
> > (the ones right by the sea) and many more inland with infraestructure
> > problems.
> >
> > I am organizing some training sessions for people with knowledge from the
> > most affected areas but living in Santiago. The idea is that they learn
> to
> > use Potlatch to add all that stuff that can not be added from the aerial
> > imagery, i.e.: Street names, hospitals, schools, police stations,
> > supermarkets, convenience stores, etc. to OpenStreetMap. I will keep you
> > informed on the progress of this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Julio Costa
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you have ideas of things to do / tasks ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I think satellite imagery should be available "soon" for tracing.
> >>
> >> Do you guys know the impacted area ?
> >>
> >> Maybe you could plan some kind of work plan for volunteers to help ?
> >>
> >> (e.g. with a wiki page, or a shared spreadsheet on Google Doc)
> >>
> >> How to split the work ? By area ?
> >>
> >> What would be priority themes ?
> >>
> >> Locate damages announced in the news ? (Damaged roads, collapsed
> bridges,
> >> maybe damaged buildings ? )
> >>
> >> How to coordinate ? talk-cl (OSM specific), crisismappers-chile (more
> >> general, e.g. also including Ushahidi), osm-talk (to get general OSM
> >> attention) ?
> >>
> >> Is there an IRC channel ?
> >>
> >> (The most relevant I am aware of might be #crisiscommons on
> irc.rhok.org
> >>
> >> Of course, there is also #osm on oftc.net, for OSM stuff)
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> (puedo hablar espanol o traducir si es mejor /
> >> I can help translating to / from Spanish)
> >>
> >> Jean-Guilhem
> >> Toulouse, France
> >> OpenStreetMap volunteer
> >> (Experience with Haiti mapping - especially regarding health facilities,
> >> PAHO (Pan American Health Organization) Master List, etc.
> >> professionally works with satellite images - research and software
> >> development for image analysis, segmentation...)
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Open Imagery for Chile]

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

(In English after the break...)

Estimado Jean-Guilhem,

En la misma linea de las preguntas de Mikel (No me quedo del todo claro con
la respuesta de David), ¿Tienes alguna claridad sobre la liberación de la
licencia de GeoEye una vez que sus imágenes estén disponibles? (Obviamente
la frase: "5 disasters since Haiti and none of them received the same
attention and dedication as Haiti" me preocupa)

El resto de las imágenes ya disponibles están bien, pero la alta resolución
es muy necesaria para avanzar en el trazado y etiquetado de todos los
pueblos de la zona afectada.

Gracias todos por su ayuda y cooperación.

Saludos,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
http://www.openstreetmap.cl/

##ENGLISH##

Dear Jean-Guilhem,

In the same line of Mikels questions (I did not see it clear on Davids
response), Are you clear on the liberation of GeoEyes data license once
their imagery is available? (Obviously the phrase "5 disasters since Haiti
and none of them received the same attention and dedication as Haiti"
concerns me)

The already available images are alright, but high resolution imagery is
quite necessary to trace and tag all the towns on the affected area.

Thank you all for your help and cooperation.

Cheers,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
http://www.openstreetmap.cl/


On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:

>  Hola,
>
> Imágenes satélite de Chile post-evento están disponibles. Ver
> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
> y
>
> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
> para detalles.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
>  Message original   Sujet : Re: Open Imagery for Chile  Date :
> Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:58:36 +0100  De : David Stevens 
>   Répondre
> à : crisismappers-ch...@googlegroups.com  Pour : Mikel Maron
>Copie à :
>   Références : 
> <68743.49937...@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com><68743.49937...@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>
> Mikel,
>
> I wanted to put forward some info and help build upon your proposal.
>
> First of all I do want to say that UN-SPIDER is a UN Programme that has
> been specifically mandated by all UN Member States to help all countries as
> well as regional and international organisations to access and use
> space-based information. It is an interesting mandate because it means
> ensuring access and use as well as building capacity. We don't produce maps.
> We ensure end users and their partners are able to do it and use it for
> decision making. The fact we have the mandate means we work closely with the
> government institutions responsible for emergency response and disaster risk
> management and also with partners supporting these end users. More
> importantly after the response phase is gone and the media chasers have
> packed their bags and gone after another spotlight we continue working with
> the Government as in the case in Haiti: our work begins now as we help the
> Civil Protection Agency rebuild and get ready including for the next
> hurricane season.
>
> We are a Cooperating Body for the United Nations to the International
> Charter which means whenever the UN is involved in an emergency response we
> activate the International Charter as has been the case for both Haiti and
> Chile.
>
> The Charter does not make the imagery data available but only the end
> products. In some mega disasters imagery does become available for free as
> was the case during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami and the Haiti earthquake.
> We are working to ensure that imagery becomes a bit more widely available
> and not only for mega disasters. We have been involved and supported 5
> disasters since Haiti and none of them received the same attention and
> dedication as Haiti.
>
> Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use in
> Chile as well. We have updated the info on what is being made available on
> our webpage
>
> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>
> Two requests
>
> First if the crisismapper community could help us include info on available
> imagery and geospatial data that would help. I know there are several other
> portals as well with similar info but for sure our end users do access the
> UN-SPIDER Knowledge Portal first. Please feel free to replicate the info we
> have on other portals as well. We would appreciate a link to our portal. And
> we will ensure we include a link to the other portals. Please send us any
> info to include to the following e-mail: space...@unoosa.org
>
> Then regarding the mapping support for Chile we are open for suggestions.
> In Chile there are strong and efficient government institutions in place,
> both ONEMI and SNIT, and any effort should be centred on their needs and
> guidance.
>
> One last useful info: UN-SPIDER is implemented by the United Nations Office
> for Outer Space Affairs. We are part of the UN Secretariat and we are the UN
> Office responsible for promoting the access and use of space-based
> technologies and solution