Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Mike N]

 

I don't see that the Wiki is self-contradictory in this case; it quite clearly states the convention for US and US Interstate highway refs.  Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the ref? Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the "Highway Shields" project? The common reference "County road 49" comes to mind, and how can county, state and US highways be distinguished from each other?  I have no opinion - it would be good to agree on the highway and route relation tagging conventions.

 -- Original message from Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: --


 The reasons for the revert was because NE2 had changed many segments  of SC
 state highway ref tags from “SC xx” to “xx” that I had added.  This is
 counter to what the US highway wiki states, and there are good reasons for
 keeping the “SC”  in SC , which I don't want to get into here.   I was not
 offered any explanation why my edits were changed.
 
 The wiki is so self-contradictory that I'm sure it does state that in
 one place, and the opposite in another place. Every time I've tried to
 get a discussion going on improving this, there's been no interest.
 I believe I only changed those routes I was making other changes to.
 (By the way, I omit the state for the same reason we don't see "UK A1"
 - it's clear what's meant by a simple alphanumeric designation.)









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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
   Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
 ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
 Highway Shields project?   The common reference County road 49 comes to

You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Mike N]

 

That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple states, but is always assigned the same shield. And there is nothing in standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road - I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most major county roads=tertiary. Those in other regions may promote the small roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.

 -- Original message from John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: --


 On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N  wrote:
Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
  ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
  "Highway Shields" project?   The common reference "County road 49" comes to
 
 You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.










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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
 That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple
 states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in

This is just a pre-processing problem before going into pgsql for
mapnik, or whatever rendering software you use, you extract the way
inside the polygon.

 standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road -

network=CO (county)
network=S (state)

 I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most
 major county roads=tertiary.   Those in other regions may promote the small
 roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.

In Australia the designations are applied based on a number of
factors, like source of funding (partially or wholly federally
funded), or the numbering scheme applied by the state (alphanumeric or
otherwise).

As far as I can tell, every route type in Australia has been
documented on this page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John F. Eldredge]

However, a given administrative area may well contain country-level, 
state-level, and county roads.  If a given road is tagged with only a number, 
what indicates which one of these is meant?  Also, it is not unusual for a 
stretch of physical roadway to be considered part of both a country-level road 
and a state-level road, etc.

-- 
John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to 
think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

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From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 03:30:46 
To: Mike Nnice...@att.net
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
   Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
 ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
 Highway Shields project?   The common reference County road 49 comes to

You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 1 March 2010 05:01, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
 However, a given administrative area may well contain country-level, 
 state-level, and county roads.  If a given road is tagged with only a number, 
 what indicates which one of these is meant?  Also, it is not unusual for a 
 stretch of physical roadway to be considered part of both a country-level 
 road and a state-level road, etc.

Which is where the network=* tag comes in, it tells you explicitly if
it's national (network=I), state (network=S) or county (network=CO)

The type of road isn't enough to tell you the administrative information.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Apollinaris Schoell]

On 28 Feb 2010, at 10:18 , John Smith wrote:

 On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
 That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple
 states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in
 
 This is just a pre-processing problem before going into pgsql for
 mapnik, or whatever rendering software you use, you extract the way
 inside the polygon.
 
 standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road -
 
 network=CO (county)
 network=S (state)

why duplicate redundant info, requires double care when a roud is 
up/downgraded. isn't it better this way

network=CO
network=S

or
network=county
network=state


 
 I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most
 major county roads=tertiary.   Those in other regions may promote the small
 roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.
 
 In Australia the designations are applied based on a number of
 factors, like source of funding (partially or wholly federally
 funded), or the numbering scheme applied by the state (alphanumeric or
 otherwise).
 
 As far as I can tell, every route type in Australia has been
 documented on this page:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 1 March 2010 05:41, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
 network=CO (county)
 network=S (state)

 why duplicate redundant info, requires double care when a roud is 
 up/downgraded. isn't it better this way

The brackets were meant for explanation purposes only.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Pieren]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 1 March 2010 05:41, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
  network=CO (county)
  network=S (state)



 The brackets were meant for explanation purposes only.


But in OSM, we try to avoid abbreviations when possible. Then you don't have
to explaine later again and again what means CO or add a note or a
reference to a wiki page. network=county is not so long and clear for
everyone.

my 2 cents
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 1 March 2010 06:03, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
 But in OSM, we try to avoid abbreviations when possible. Then you don't have
 to explaine later again and again what means CO or add a note or a
 reference to a wiki page. network=county is not so long and clear for
 everyone.

Simply because those abbreviations are already in common use when
refering to routes etc.

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[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Apollinaris Schoell]

moving thread to talk-us where it belongs


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mike N nice...@att.net
 Date: 28 February 2010 9:17:01 PST
 To: t...@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation
 
  I don't see that the Wiki is self-contradictory in this case; it quite 
 clearly states the convention for US and US Interstate highway refs.  
 

yes, but the wiki isn't free of errors and can't be used as absolute reference. 
Who wrote it? was it based on wide agreement?

   Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the ref?   
 Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the Highway 
 Shields project?   The common reference County road 49 comes to mind, and 
 how can county, state and US highways be distinguished from each other?
 

don't tag for the renderer!
If it's absolutely needed use a special namespace e.g. hwshields:* and never 
hijack existing well defined tags.  btw google, yahoo maps render state hw with 
numbers only. But they don't do state specific shields. I do like the current 
rendering where we clearly see when a route crosses state borders. If it's just 
for that reason I don't mind to keep the state prefix even that it is wrong. 
But if there is any strong reason to remove it then let's do it.


I have no opinion - it would be good to agree on the highway and route 
 relation tagging conventions.

hw relations are not used by any renderer or software I know of. 
and after all the highway shields project is practically dead. there was one 
dirty hack which will never make it upstream. a really bad reason to stick to 
dirty relation tagging as defined in the wiki.
it's a chicken egg situation. without having an acceptable standard very 
unlikely a renderer will ever implement the use of the hw relation.

Any volunteering to organize a working group to discuss the highway tagging, 
agree on a standard and document it on the wiki. 
changing the osm DB can be done easily with some (semi)automatic edits later.

 -- Original message from Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: 
 -- 
 
  The reasons for the revert was because NE2 had changed many segments of SC 
  state highway ref tags from “SC xx” to “xx” that I had added. This is 
  counter to what the US highway wiki states, and there are good reasons for 
  keeping the “SC” in SC , which I don't want to get into here. I was not 
  offered any explanation why my edits were changed. 
  
  The wiki is so self-contradictory that I'm sure it does state that in 
  one place, and the opposite in another place. Every time I've tried to 
  get a discussion going on improving this, there's been no interest. 
  I believe I only changed those routes I was making other changes to. 
  (By the way, I omit the state for the same reason we don't see UK A1 
  - it's clear what's meant by a simple alphanumeric designation.) 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

Anyone?

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?

 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
 changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
 since this is obviously not the primary account. I don't have the
 tools to undo this revert, and that's probably not a good idea anyway
 without some sort of understanding by lkrevert not to revert. But it
 needs to be reinstated soon to prevent decay, where if someone else
 edits any of the ways in it, they won't be able to be restored.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Richard Weait]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone?

 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?

I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com 
 wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?
I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.

And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
first strike, leaving others unable to act?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Richard Weait]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com 
 wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?
I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.

 And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
 been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
 here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
 first strike, leaving others unable to act?

You're attached to your editing work.  I can understand that.

What is in this (big) changeset that ikrevert reverted?  I had a very
superficial look and see that your edits don't include the simple
TIGER fix of expanding the road types from Rd to Road and Ave to
Avenue.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

Richard Weait wrote:
What is in this (big) changeset that ikrevert reverted?
I fixed up the numbered routes in Columbia. You'll see that currently
some of the primary highways just dead-end, because TIGER often
doesn't have the correct routings for numbered routes. Restore the
changeset and you can see how I fixed it :)

I had a very
superficial look and see that your edits don't include the simple
TIGER fix of expanding the road types from Rd to Road and Ave to
Avenue.
Someone more inclined to doing boring work can do that, or, even
better, someone with a script to assist the changing.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Liz]

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 Richard Weait wrote:
 What is in this (big) changeset that ikrevert reverted?
 
 I fixed up the numbered routes in Columbia. You'll see that currently
 some of the primary highways just dead-end, because TIGER often
 doesn't have the correct routings for numbered routes. Restore the
 changeset and you can see how I fixed it :)
 
I know how you feel, Nathan.
I did a big pile of work while the server was off-line between API 0.5 and 
0.6, then the upload failed. I haven't gone back to sort it out, nearly a year 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Apollinaris Schoell]

On 27 Feb 2010, at 14:33 , Nathan Edgars II wrote:

 Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com 
 wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?
 I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
 I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.
 
 And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
 been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
 here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
 first strike, leaving others unable to act?
 

but if the first strike can also leave others unable to act. If there is no 
obvious wrong doing you need to provide more and better explanations why your 
edits are good and the revert is bad.
for me it's not clear without spending a lot of time comparing your edits with 
previous versions. explain what you did and why and it's more likely someone is 
willing to do it.





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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 Feb 2010, at 14:33 , Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
 been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
 here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
 first strike, leaving others unable to act?

 but if the first strike can also leave others unable to act. If there is no 
 obvious wrong doing you need to provide more and better explanations why your 
 edits are good and the revert is bad.
 for me it's not clear without spending a lot of time comparing your edits 
 with previous versions. explain what you did and why and it's more likely 
 someone is willing to do it.

I fail to see how reverting with no explanation and then not
responding when asked is not obvious wrong doing. As for what I did,
I explained in a previous post - I fixed up the routings of the
numbered highways.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Konrad Skeri]

2010/2/28 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com:

 On 27 Feb 2010, at 14:33 , Nathan Edgars II wrote:

 Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com 
 wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?
 I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
 I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.

 And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
 been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
 here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
 first strike, leaving others unable to act?


 but if the first strike can also leave others unable to act. If there is no 
 obvious wrong doing you need to provide more and better explanations why your 
 edits are good and the revert is bad.
 for me it's not clear without spending a lot of time comparing your edits 
 with previous versions. explain what you did and why and it's more likely 
 someone is willing to do it.



I.e. guilty until proven otherwise?

User A edits the map.
User B reverts user A's edits without explaining why.
User A then has to justify before the whole community why his/her
original edits are valid and should be allowed to be reinstated.

Reverts really has to have proper changeset comments so we know why
the edits were reverted. The burden of proof is with the reverter.

Konrad

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Apollinaris Schoell]

On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:37 , Konrad Skeri wrote:
 
 I.e. guilty until proven otherwise?
 

there is no court no judge no laws. only volunteers willing to help. 

 User A edits the map.
 User B reverts user A's edits without explaining why.
 User A then has to justify before the whole community why his/her
 original edits are valid and should be allowed to be reinstated.
 

worst case scenario
A is a vandal
B reverts
C reverts revert B 

how to continue? edit war? 



 Reverts really has to have proper changeset comments so we know why
 the edits were reverted. The burden of proof is with the reverter.
 

absolutely, but this changeset is very complex and without understanding a bare 
minimum I will not do it because the more edits and reverts happen the more 
difficult is it to fix things at the end. 
He asked for fast reaction and better this is the only way to speed up things 
or make it happen


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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 28 February 2010 00:37, Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com wrote:
 2010/2/28 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com:

 On 27 Feb 2010, at 14:33 , Nathan Edgars II wrote:

 Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at 
 gmail.com wrote:
 It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
 take care of this?
 I generally allow other mappers a week to respond to site-mail before
 I send another note.  They might be away from mapping for a bit.

 And a week from now half the ways in the changeset will probably have
 been edited, making a restoration very complicated. Is it the intent
 here that those with the technical know-how to revert can make a
 first strike, leaving others unable to act?


 but if the first strike can also leave others unable to act. If there is no 
 obvious wrong doing you need to provide more and better explanations why 
 your edits are good and the revert is bad.
 for me it's not clear without spending a lot of time comparing your edits 
 with previous versions. explain what you did and why and it's more likely 
 someone is willing to do it.



 I.e. guilty until proven otherwise?

 User A edits the map.
 User B reverts user A's edits without explaining why.
 User A then has to justify before the whole community why his/her
 original edits are valid and should be allowed to be reinstated.

 Reverts really has to have proper changeset comments so we know why
 the edits were reverted. The burden of proof is with the reverter.

On that topic I've been using revert=yes on all my changesets
reverting other changesets so far, and propose that it be used by
others too.  It might be useful to also give the chgset number(s) in
some agreed way, but then it's quite easy to find out even for a
script.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John F. Eldredge]

Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 Lar Kiesel wrote:
   
 I was the culprit who did the user lkrevert revert to user NE2 change set of
 Columbia, SC, US.
 

 Thank you for finally coming forward and explaining.

   
 The reasons for the revert was because NE2 had changed many segments  of SC
 state highway ref tags from “SC xx” to “xx” that I had added.  This is
 counter to what the US highway wiki states, and there are good reasons for
 keeping the “SC”  in SC , which I don't want to get into here.   I was not
 offered any explanation why my edits were changed.
 

 The wiki is so self-contradictory that I'm sure it does state that in
 one place, and the opposite in another place. Every time I've tried to
 get a discussion going on improving this, there's been no interest.
 I believe I only changed those routes I was making other changes to.
 (By the way, I omit the state for the same reason we don't see UK A1
 - it's clear what's meant by a simple alphanumeric designation.)
   
Numbered highways are used in the USA for Federal highways (with a US 
prefix), State highways (prefixed by the state abbreviation), and some 
rural County roads (usually prefixed by the word County, rather than 
the name of the county).  If you tag a roadway with only the suffix, it 
isn't obvious which one of these is meant.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Lar Kiesel wrote:
 I started to correct the NE2 changes by hand,  there were too many and why
 should I?  So. I decided to do the revert.  

Independent of what's wrong or right in this case: You are not the first 
one to say that the changeset is too large to easily see what has 
happened. This tells us that Nathan's original edit was perhaps a bit 
large for one changeset and it would have been better to upload it in 
several chunks.

Also, my revert script (which Lar has used) needs to be changed so that 
it requires a reason to be given for revering a changeset - I'm sure Lar 
would have provided one if the script had asked him to, leading to less 
confusion about the whole issue.

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
since this is obviously not the primary account. I don't have the
tools to undo this revert, and that's probably not a good idea anyway
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Frederik Ramm]

Nathan,

Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
 changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
 since this is obviously not the primary account. 

Your messsage will be forwarded to him by email.

If you do manage to contact the guy, remind him that it would be nice if 
he used the user page to say what his primary account is and what he's 
using the lkrevert user for.

I suggest you also post this to talk-us.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[John Smith]

On 26 February 2010 19:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 he used the user page to say what his primary account is and what he's
 using the lkrevert user for.

ikrevert = i kan revert maybe?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

Oops - forgot to choose 'reply to all'. Sorry Fred for the duplicate.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 Nathan,

 Nathan Edgars II wrote:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
 changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
 since this is obviously not the primary account.

 Your messsage will be forwarded to him by email.

That is assuming he used his primary email address for this account.
Even if he did, it would be not slower to send a message to the
primary OSM user account. A while ago someone emailed me a message
about some OSM edits through the wiki; since I don't have my email
open constantly, I didn't see it as quickly as I would have had it
gone through the OSM messaging system.

 If you do manage to contact the guy, remind him that it would be nice if he
 used the user page to say what his primary account is and what he's using
 the lkrevert user for.

 I suggest you also post this to talk-us.

Done.

 Bye
 Frederik


On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 26 February 2010 19:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 he used the user page to say what his primary account is and what he's
 using the lkrevert user for.

 ikrevert = i kan revert maybe?

That's a lowercase L.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Mike N.]

I think I know the primary account (Not many mappers in the US!).   He'll 
respond via the contact, but let me know if he doesn't.

This is always a risk when making mass edits that don't agree with the Wiki 
(relation ref).   I don't know if that's the reason for revert.  It would 
have been best to get an agreement and update the Wiki before changing the 
ref format.

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From: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:56 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
 changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
 since this is obviously not the primary account. I don't have the
 tools to undo this revert, and that's probably not a good idea anyway
 without some sort of understanding by lkrevert not to revert. But it
 needs to be reinstated soon to prevent decay, where if someone else
 edits any of the ways in it, they won't be able to be restored.
 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

Frederik Ramm wrote:
However, Nathan, I see that for example in this way

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/12515816/history

you had removed *all* the tags from the way. I haven't investigated
further but maybe the reverter had to assume that there was some editing
error?

I deleted that way (because I had extended the motorway_link to the
west over it). Note that it has no nodes listed.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 I deleted that way (because I had extended the motorway_link to the
 west over it). Note that it has no nodes listed.

Apologies, I overlooked that.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

[Nathan Edgars II]

It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please
take care of this?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lkrevert has reverted one of my
 changesets. I contacted this user, but doubt I'll get a response,
 since this is obviously not the primary account. I don't have the
 tools to undo this revert, and that's probably not a good idea anyway
 without some sort of understanding by lkrevert not to revert. But it
 needs to be reinstated soon to prevent decay, where if someone else
 edits any of the ways in it, they won't be able to be restored.


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