Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Andrew Hain]

Andy Townsend  gmail.com> 
writes:

> Because of the language difference I 
suspect that the chance of a reply 
> from this MAPS.ME user will be less than 
from others (unless you try an 
> address them in Korean - but that really 
isn't difficult these days with 
> machine translation).
> 
> I've certainly had replies from MAPS.ME 
users in the UK, including 
> someone doing similar things (in Danish 
- I commented on the changeset 
> in English and Danish).

Is there a potential to prepare welcoming 
responses to common problems in Korean or 
Chinese?

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed Jun 22 14:52:40 2016 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2016-06-22 15:13 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :
> 
> > I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to
> > be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset.
> >
> 
> 
> It is also a way to document for your fellow mappers what you have found
> out, not just a way to contact the original mapper. FWIW, I have written
> quite some changeset comments to maps.me changesets and so far not yet
> received a single reply. I am not even sure if these comments reach these
> mappers.
>
 
It was mentioned on the other thread that many login through facebook, maybe 
that breaks the link between some users and osm?

Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-06-22 15:16 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :

> If someone wants to import some low-/mixed quality stuff into OSM and
> suggest to add fixme=* to lots of objects, we usually refuse to give the
> import "permission" because such data usually will not be fixed. That's
> why I think that just reverting is the best solution.
>


yes, but the situation here is completely different, because a lot of
individuals make each very few edits. Many of them seem to make an best
effort, e.g. by entering complete addressing information, website
information, contact information like email and phone numbers, opening
hours. I'm sure they would also make better classifications if the maps.me
editor allowed for it.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-06-22 15:13 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :

> I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to
> be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset.
>


It is also a way to document for your fellow mappers what you have found
out, not just a way to contact the original mapper. FWIW, I have written
quite some changeset comments to maps.me changesets and so far not yet
received a single reply. I am not even sure if these comments reach these
mappers.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Andy Townsend]

On 22/06/2016 14:13, Michael Reichert wrote:


I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to
be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. (There less
frequently respond to comments than iD users)


Because of the language difference I suspect that the chance of a reply 
from this MAPS.ME user will be less than from others (unless you try an 
address them in Korean - but that really isn't difficult these days with 
machine translation).


I've certainly had replies from MAPS.ME users in the UK, including 
someone doing similar things (in Danish - I commented on the changeset 
in English and Danish).


Best Regards,
Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Max]

just checked a few of the edits and deleted some nodes.
Lee Jin-Jeong did add a couple of things that were already there and in
the case of an hostel several times. In Kiev the user added a Korean
church with the name "Kiev Korean Unified Church" in Korean. The
location is a bit curious though in an industrial aera, but I left that
as is.


On 2016년 06월 22일 21:26, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영
> (Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some
> POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into
> name=*.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history
> 
> Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change
> (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Michael Reichert]

Hi Martin,

Am 22.06.2016 um 15:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> I would add fixme tags and decide on an individual basis how to deal with
> it. Still, despite all lamentation, I admit that the amount of surveyed
> addressing information we are getting this way is great (precision to be
> confirmed).

If someone wants to import some low-/mixed quality stuff into OSM and
suggest to add fixme=* to lots of objects, we usually refuse to give the
import "permission" because such data usually will not be fixed. That's
why I think that just reverting is the best solution.

Best regards

Michael



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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Michael Reichert]

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Hi Joost,

Am 22.06.2016 um 15:09 schrieb joost schouppe:
> Did you miss the ongoing thread on this subject? [1]

If read the thread but was not able to draw a conclusion regarding my
question.

> You should of course contact the mapper with the explanation that
> name is for local names. Though as mentioned in the other thread,
> maps.me seems to be working on a way to handle this situation
> better.

I decided not to write a changeset comment because it seems to me to
be a waste of time to comment a Maps.Me user's changeset. (There less
frequently respond to comments than iD users)

Best regards

Michael


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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[joost schouppe]

Did you miss the ongoing thread on this subject? [1]

Max even said something about Korean names there too, though this is about
the reversed situation [2]. I have no ideas if the names in Korean in your
case are transliterations of the local name.

You should of course contact the mapper with the explanation that name is
for local names. Though as mentioned in the other thread, maps.me seems to
be working on a way to handle this situation better.

I would hate to see all the wrong use of the name tags in a place like this
[3] reverted, but it looks like most of the POIs from this mapper need
local surveying. Like Martin said, add a fixme, or convert it into a Note.

1: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-June/076114.html
2: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-June/076128.html
3: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/13.76370/100.49954
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-06-22 14:26 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :

> Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change
> (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*?
>



In the instances of similar cases I have checked, it was mostly improbable
that the features would have a name in Corean or Chinese, because it was
stuff like restaurants, hotels and even a bus_stop in Italy. Still for some
features I bet there is also a Corean name (e.g. the Colosseum).
Additionally there might already be a Chinese or Corean name at the
feature, and if they differ from the new one, you'd really have to know the
language to do it right.

In some cases I have not been able to even deduct what they wanted to tag,
e.g. for tourism=attraction (a tag maps.me should not set at all in their
simple editor IMHO), or things without tags other than name and maybe
addressing and website, phone numbers etc.

I would add fixme tags and decide on an individual basis how to deal with
it. Still, despite all lamentation, I admit that the amount of surveyed
addressing information we are getting this way is great (precision to be
confirmed).

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Simone Cortesi]

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Michael Reichert  wrote:

> by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영
> (Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some
> POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into
> name=*.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history
>
> Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change
> (mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*?
>

Did somebody get in touch with the people at maps.me?

I think they should be involved in the mess their users are causing to our
ecosystem.



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[OSM-talk] How to handle Maps.Me garbage?

[Michael Reichert]

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Hi,

by browsing the map, I have discovered the edits of user 이진영
(Google Translator says that this is a Korean name). He added some
POIs in serveral European countries and entered the Korean name into
name=*.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%EC%9D%B4%EC%A7%84%EC%98%81/history

Shall I either revert his changesets in total or shall I change
(mechanically/without local knowledge) name=* to name:ko=*?

Best regards

Michael


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