[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap and Missing SRTM Data
There's a large oddity in the OpenCycleMap rendering in Iowa, likely due to missing SRTM data: http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=9&lat=41.45927&lon=-93.91011&layers=B00 I know that there's nothing that can be done with the SRTM data, but would it be possible for the OpenCycleMap to render the contour lines and hill shading in Iowa with data provided by the state mapping agency? The data is freely accessible (I'd have to double-check the exact terms though). -- Jeff Ollie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap tiles not updated anymore?
Andrew Errington wrote > > As far as I know OpenCycleMap is a semi-private initiative with > limited server resources and limited human resources. It is updated > periodically, but there is usually a backlog. > Yeah the lag time does seem pretty long at the moment. It took well over a month for my last changes to show up, but they got there in the end. Is there any way to see the status of the tiles or renderer on OpenCycleMap? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OpenCycleMap-tiles-not-updated-anymore-tp5722811p5722949.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap tiles not updated anymore?
As far as I know OpenCycleMap is a semi-private initiative with limited server resources and limited human resources. It is updated periodically, but there is usually a backlog. More info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenCycleMap On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > It seems that the opencyclemap tiles as published on > http://www.openstreetmap.org/ are fairly outdated. > > For example, one can see quite a lot of differences between > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.66809&lon=6.10432&zoom=15&layers=C > and > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.66616&lon=6.10265&zoom=15&layers=M > > What is the expected update frequency? Are there known issues with > OpenCycleMap? > > Thanks, > > Lucas > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap tiles not updated anymore?
Hi, It seems that the opencyclemap tiles as published on http://www.openstreetmap.org/ are fairly outdated. For example, one can see quite a lot of differences between http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.66809&lon=6.10432&zoom=15&layers=C and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.66616&lon=6.10265&zoom=15&layers=M What is the expected update frequency? Are there known issues with OpenCycleMap? Thanks, Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?
Thanks for the update and all the hard work. Steve On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andy Allan wrote: > Yeah, the existing server is pretty much kaput - it's completely > overloaded. Many parts of the map haven't been re-rendered since the > start of July. It's been in a sorry state for a few months now, but I > eventually had to draw the line and stop nursing it along in order to > put all the effort into the server replacement project. > > The new server is just about set up - the last of the contours are > being imported today, and the database is doing catch-up diff updates. > It'll certainly be available for testing this weekend, and if all goes > well it'll replace the current tileserver soon afterwards. > > I'll blog more about it when the upgrade is all over, but for now > apologies to everyone who's waiting to see their changes. > > Cheers, > Andy > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Adam Killian wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:47 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile >> generation. Any idea when I could expect an update in my neck of the >> woods (Melbourne, Australia)? >> >> Steve > > > Andy tweeted yesterday that his new server just started generating > tiles, so I would think they'd start showing up soon. > > http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23opencyclemap Yeah, the existing server is pretty much kaput - it's completely overloaded. Many parts of the map haven't been re-rendered since the start of July. It's been in a sorry state for a few months now, but I eventually had to draw the line and stop nursing it along in order to put all the effort into the server replacement project. The new server is just about set up - the last of the contours are being imported today, and the database is doing catch-up diff updates. It'll certainly be available for testing this weekend, and if all goes well it'll replace the current tileserver soon afterwards. I'll blog more about it when the upgrade is all over, but for now apologies to everyone who's waiting to see their changes. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?
Great, I'll keep an eye out. Steve On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Adam Killian wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:47 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile >> generation. Any idea when I could expect an update in my neck of the >> woods (Melbourne, Australia)? >> >> Steve > > > Andy tweeted yesterday that his new server just started generating > tiles, so I would think they'd start showing up soon. > > http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23opencyclemap > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:47 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile > generation. Any idea when I could expect an update in my neck of the > woods (Melbourne, Australia)? > > Steve Andy tweeted yesterday that his new server just started generating tiles, so I would think they'd start showing up soon. http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23opencyclemap ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?
Hi all, Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile generation. Any idea when I could expect an update in my neck of the woods (Melbourne, Australia)? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Imo, this shouldn't be considered in isolation. There's a whole lot of > situations where the value for a key, such as oneway, maxspeed, > maxweight, access, is different depending on vehicle or other conditions > - a common example is maxspeed:hgv (note that nobody is using > hgv:maxspeed). And it's a bad idea to create a different solution for > each of these. > > There is a concept that covers all of these and uses oneway:bicycle: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_fo > r_access_tags > > The bicycle:oneway structure, to my knowledge, hasn't been part of a > solution that can be used to express all of these cases yet and is > mostly just there as a solution for this single situation (opposite > traffic on oneway ways). Imo, that's a too limited perspective. So that's completely incorrect, bicycle:oneway=no already appeared on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Access_restrictions a long time before the extended conditions for access tags proposal was created (although, indeed, not a definite proposal for such a syntax -- it still could all change -- but in the mean time it was seeing some usage while testing it out). But that's far from an "isolated situation for oneway only". Yeah, so that proposal of mine hasn't seen much change recently. Basically because I have the impression almost no-one else but me seems interested in creating formal definitions of access tags, and because proposals like yours would come up without really looking at what was written on that page. I was trying to work out a framework to put the existing tags in and work from there to create a simpler syntax (which maybe could have ended up similar to yours) -- one for which it would be sure that not the same mistake as with original access tags is made again. But now with your syntax which is advocated as good syntax to use and superseding other possibilities just because it is a proposal, it makes life harder to create the formal framework because we now have a whole new set of tags that have to be taken into account, and would rule out a lot of possibilities of perhaps a better syntax. Greetings Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
Ben Laenen wrote: > Richard Mann wrote: >> If there's no >> lane marked (eg the zillions of oneway exceptions in Belgium that have >> appeared in the last few years) then it probably needs to be tagged >> oneway:bicycle=no, but that won't show up either (AFAIK). > > bicycle:oneway=no is used much more in Belgium (and the whole planet) -- > about > ten times more often. Imo, this shouldn't be considered in isolation. There's a whole lot of situations where the value for a key, such as oneway, maxspeed, maxweight, access, is different depending on vehicle or other conditions - a common example is maxspeed:hgv (note that nobody is using hgv:maxspeed). And it's a bad idea to create a different solution for each of these. There is a concept that covers all of these and uses oneway:bicycle: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags The bicycle:oneway variant, to my knowledge, hasn't been part of a solution that can be used to express all of these cases yet and is mostly just there as a solution for this single situation (opposite traffic on oneway ways). Imo, that's a too limited perspective. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
Le mercredi 02 décembre 2009, à 14:24:19 +, Andy a écrit : > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM, arno wrote: > > Hi, > > I was told today by a bicycle commuter that openstreemap is "interesting but > > unsuccessful" because "opencyclemap is wrong". > > > > His point was: > > opencyclemap show the directions for cars but not for cyclists: > > in his city, there are a lot of streets where car can only go one way, but > > cyclists can go both. > > These streets are correctly mapped (have the > > cycleway=opposite_lane|opposite_track|opposite) but on cyclemap layer, are > > still represented as oneway on opencyclemap. > > > > So, I explained the difference between data and its representation, and I > > explained that that osm is not unsuccessful. But I also understand my > > interlocutor point of view: opencyclemap is supposed to be a cyclist map, > > but > > it shows directions for cars. > > > > So, I was wondering if you knew why this is the way it is ? > > I've simply not implemented it yet! Someone gave me a new icon (a long > time ago) that shows that it's a oneway road but that you can cycle in > both directions, and I'm sorry to say that despite their efforts I > haven't added the rules yet. > > If you want to keep track of things, then please add a ticket to > http://trac.openstreetmap.org with the opencyclemap component. Thanks for your reply. I've opened bug #2532 for that. arno signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Ben Laenen wrote: > Richard Mann wrote: >> If there's a lane in the "wrong" direction, that'll be marked (as being on >> both sides). If there's a separate track adjacent to the road, that'll be >> marked. But cycle tracks don't get marked if they are attached to the road >> (so cycleway=track and cycleway=opposite don't get marked). If there's no >> lane marked (eg the zillions of oneway exceptions in Belgium that have >> appeared in the last few years) then it probably needs to be tagged >> oneway:bicycle=no, but that won't show up either (AFAIK). > > bicycle:oneway=no is used much more in Belgium (and the whole planet) -- about > ten times more often. Likewise, also moped_A:oneway=no is used in Belgium > because light mopeds are sometimes allowed to drive in the opposite direction > as well (therefore cycleway=opposite isn't sufficient here), although there's > no advise from the government to the municipalities to allow it if possible. Good to know - I only considered the cycleway=opposite/opposite_lane. I'll add the bicycle:oneway=no at the same time. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM, arno wrote: > Hi, > I was told today by a bicycle commuter that openstreemap is "interesting but > unsuccessful" because "opencyclemap is wrong". > > His point was: > opencyclemap show the directions for cars but not for cyclists: > in his city, there are a lot of streets where car can only go one way, but > cyclists can go both. > These streets are correctly mapped (have the > cycleway=opposite_lane|opposite_track|opposite) but on cyclemap layer, are > still represented as oneway on opencyclemap. > > So, I explained the difference between data and its representation, and I > explained that that osm is not unsuccessful. But I also understand my > interlocutor point of view: opencyclemap is supposed to be a cyclist map, but > it shows directions for cars. > > So, I was wondering if you knew why this is the way it is ? I've simply not implemented it yet! Someone gave me a new icon (a long time ago) that shows that it's a oneway road but that you can cycle in both directions, and I'm sorry to say that despite their efforts I haven't added the rules yet. If you want to keep track of things, then please add a ticket to http://trac.openstreetmap.org with the opencyclemap component. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
Richard Mann wrote: > If there's a lane in the "wrong" direction, that'll be marked (as being on > both sides). If there's a separate track adjacent to the road, that'll be > marked. But cycle tracks don't get marked if they are attached to the road > (so cycleway=track and cycleway=opposite don't get marked). If there's no > lane marked (eg the zillions of oneway exceptions in Belgium that have > appeared in the last few years) then it probably needs to be tagged > oneway:bicycle=no, but that won't show up either (AFAIK). bicycle:oneway=no is used much more in Belgium (and the whole planet) -- about ten times more often. Likewise, also moped_A:oneway=no is used in Belgium because light mopeds are sometimes allowed to drive in the opposite direction as well (therefore cycleway=opposite isn't sufficient here), although there's no advise from the government to the municipalities to allow it if possible. Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
I think the honest answer is that oneways tend to be treated as "interesting information that applies to cars". Ahem. In the UK, we tend to make the oneway stretch very short with a cycle track in the opposite direction, so they show up as two-way on most renderings, but routers can't find a way through for cars. If there's a lane in the "wrong" direction, that'll be marked (as being on both sides). If there's a separate track adjacent to the road, that'll be marked. But cycle tracks don't get marked if they are attached to the road (so cycleway=track and cycleway=opposite don't get marked). If there's no lane marked (eg the zillions of oneway exceptions in Belgium that have appeared in the last few years) then it probably needs to be tagged oneway:bicycle=no, but that won't show up either (AFAIK). This is partly waiting on the development of the ability to put different edge markings (casings) on the two sides of the road (imminent for Mapnik apparently), which will give more scope for subtle information on small roads that isn't obliterated by the street name. Which doesn't mean it will happen - opencyclemap is done by voluntary labour (and by a process that isn't practical to open up to additional input). You may have to render it yourself... Richard On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM, arno wrote: > Hi, > I was told today by a bicycle commuter that openstreemap is "interesting > but > unsuccessful" because "opencyclemap is wrong". > > His point was: > opencyclemap show the directions for cars but not for cyclists: > in his city, there are a lot of streets where car can only go one way, but > cyclists can go both. > These streets are correctly mapped (have the > cycleway=opposite_lane|opposite_track|opposite) but on cyclemap layer, are > still represented as oneway on opencyclemap. > > So, I explained the difference between data and its representation, and I > explained that that osm is not unsuccessful. But I also understand my > interlocutor point of view: opencyclemap is supposed to be a cyclist map, > but > it shows directions for cars. > > So, I was wondering if you knew why this is the way it is ? > > arno > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAksVaYAACgkQ7Z0ZxRdGQ+c+SQCeLhgtIVEbsZmKgX4LlQKMJmfV > rF8An1BgDDy6jD/tzzx8j013VUL0eWUr > =uXv5 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions
Hi, I was told today by a bicycle commuter that openstreemap is "interesting but unsuccessful" because "opencyclemap is wrong". His point was: opencyclemap show the directions for cars but not for cyclists: in his city, there are a lot of streets where car can only go one way, but cyclists can go both. These streets are correctly mapped (have the cycleway=opposite_lane|opposite_track|opposite) but on cyclemap layer, are still represented as oneway on opencyclemap. So, I explained the difference between data and its representation, and I explained that that osm is not unsuccessful. But I also understand my interlocutor point of view: opencyclemap is supposed to be a cyclist map, but it shows directions for cars. So, I was wondering if you knew why this is the way it is ? arno signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap
2009/2/12 Ed Loach : > I think something I have done recently has upset the rendering of national > route 51 in the UK from Colchester to Harwich. In summary, after mapping much > of Harwich and Dovercourt I was able to correct some of what was there, and > fill in some gaps. I also added the icn relation for the North Sea Cycle > Route, EV12, for the relevant ways, many of which are common to NCN 51. Could > it be the two relations on a single way that are causing the problem? > > It's hard to tell exactly what the problem is - the changes I made last > weekend to fill in a gap in a park don't show on the cycle map layer yet, and > it may be that when they come through all will be OK again. But zooming in on > Harwich I only get route 51 to show at a couple of zoom levels (I think 14 > was one of them), and I've tried deleting the temporary internet files in > case they're cached locally, but still it only shows sometimes so I think > perhaps this is down to a server side tile cache. > > Anyway, I thought I'd mention it in case someone can tell me whether it is > something I did or not so I don't do it again. > network=NCN doesn't work... the tags are read as case sensitive. Only network=ncn will work (lower case). I'm not sure who changed it, it might not have been you. I've corrected the relation, so it should appear in next weeks re-render. It still appears at some zooms because it takes a while for the cycle map to rerender... it's actually managed to clear it up at all zoom levels now. You might need to force a reload (hit the permalink, then do Ctrl-F5). Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap
I think something I have done recently has upset the rendering of national route 51 in the UK from Colchester to Harwich. In summary, after mapping much of Harwich and Dovercourt I was able to correct some of what was there, and fill in some gaps. I also added the icn relation for the North Sea Cycle Route, EV12, for the relevant ways, many of which are common to NCN 51. Could it be the two relations on a single way that are causing the problem? It's hard to tell exactly what the problem is - the changes I made last weekend to fill in a gap in a park don't show on the cycle map layer yet, and it may be that when they come through all will be OK again. But zooming in on Harwich I only get route 51 to show at a couple of zoom levels (I think 14 was one of them), and I've tried deleting the temporary internet files in case they're cached locally, but still it only shows sometimes so I think perhaps this is down to a server side tile cache. Anyway, I thought I'd mention it in case someone can tell me whether it is something I did or not so I don't do it again. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap questions
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ryszard Mikke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should I ask them here or is there some other list/forum? There's no list or forum devoted to OpenCycleMap - but feel free to ask your questions here. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap questions
Should I ask them here or is there some other list/forum? Ryszard Mikke -- -- ==> Gardzi miodem - szalony! <== -- -- ==> -- Kubus Puchatek <== -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]
Stephen Gower wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:45:27PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: >> Out of the blue, I've been asked to advise Cyclox, a local cyclists' >> advocacy group about improving [upon] the Oxfordshire County Council's >> cycle map for the city of Oxford[1], and I've said I'll help out. > > That's great - there's been some discussion of this on the Cyclox mailing > list (for example at http://tinyurl.com/cycloxmap AKA > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/cyclox-forum/browse_thread/thread/a237464df3618a56# > ) > > It's worth noting there's conflicting interests behind the supporting > groups: > * Oxford University (whose representative is actually who has contacted you, > not a Cyclox person at all) will want something that is suitable for Staff > and Students - so College and Department names will need to be clear, for > example Department- and college-specific bike parking was mentioned, IIRC. Doable from our perspective (access=private//operator=Univ. of Ox.). A paper map with all college and department names nice and clear could be drawn using exported SVG, and any labels that don't look right or that got dropped by mapnik could be restored by the designer. > * Oxfordshire County Council will want something that highlights all the > cycle facilities they've invested in, whether or not the facilities are > actually useful to cyclists I've actually thought about that already, and it highlights the weaknesses of our current way of doing on-road cycle lanes and roadside tracks. There's a thread in talk-gb about it right now. Cycle parking we can cover and store in OSM. Similarly bike lanes once we get our act sorted out. 20MPH zones can be done too, and can be extended later on (there's a local plan to do just that, last I looked). What else? > * Cyclox will want something that is useful to their membership, who are > actual cyclists from all walks of life in Oxford. This sounds great until > you start listening to Cyclox member opinions (see that post refered to > above for example) when you find there's a subtle conflict with... > * OSM who only want facts in the database, not subjective opinions. Yes - as I mentioned, there'll have to be some human input to this, and I suspect that's where the variance between OSM objective and Cyclox subjective extras ought to happen. > I'm not sure what would go into making a really useful local cycling map, > but I think at some point it's going to need some subjective tagging. When > this has cropped up before some people have said we just need to add lots of > factual tags and the rest can be calculated from that. This is good theory, > but imagine how hard it would be to render the current map if instead of > highway=motorway we instead had car=yes, lanes=3, oneway=yes, > hard_shoulder=yes, foot=no, bicycle=no, horse=no, learner_driver=no, etc! > > highway=motorway is great for a traditional road map, because the > classification of roads for motorvehicles by officialdom is generally quite > sensible. Sadly the same is not true of classification for cycling. Up to a point, you -can- infer how easy it is to use a bike in a given area from how easily and speedily a car can be driven. Though the precise factors are more often synergistic for level-3 cyclists and more often antagonistic for level-1 cyclists. Once you go beyond that point, we can start tagging for an external standard, like the Cheltenham one. If you make the first stab by automating the way a Cheltenham rating is calculated, then you can do a comparison and see where it differs from peoples' personal opinions. Then incorporate the differences back into the data as an override tag. This is fine in this mapper's (highly subjective) opinion because after all we're working against an externally-defined standard. >> (I really like the look of the so-called "Cheltenham Standard", >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Cheltenham_Standard , which >> RichardF dredged up a while back on #osm. I wonder how/if that could be >> implemented in a Mapnik ruleset...) > > What goes around comes around - I *believe* Richard came across the > Cheltenham Standard after it was posted on an earlier Cyclox thread about > creating an Oxford map, and I mentioned it here: > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-August/028438.html > > I like the Cheltenham Standard, and think tags based on it would make a fine > basis for a local cycle map. I'd probably not use the colours they've > suggested, but that seems to be the first comment from everyone who sees it. > I particularly like the healthy disregard it has for official cycle > facilities - cycle lanes/etc are simply taken into account when assessing > the level of any road, rather than being depicted on the map themselves. > > The problem is, and remains, the subjectivity - we can probably get good > agreement in and around Oxford o
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]
In your letter dated Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:32:02 +0100 you wrote: >The problem is, and remains, the subjectivity - we can probably get good >agreement in and around Oxford on what roads are what level, but if someone >else tries to tag somewhere else, they might have a different baseline. The >stuff you've added to the "discussion" page of the wiki page you refer to >above is a good start to helping everyone use the same baseline, so lets >keep working in that direction! I definitely have a different baseline. Over here (.nl) essentially everybody except tourists and recent immigrants is a level III cyclist in that classification. The only problem I see with it is that there are too many levels. But I doubt that it matters much. If you want to use it for routing, the question is whether the use of higher quality road warrants a detour or not. But safety is just one dimension. For cycling tours I prefer scenic routes. For training on a racing bike, I prefer roads that a smooth surface and that are suitable for high speed cycling. There are probably many more categories worth adding. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:45:27PM +0100, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: > Out of the blue, I've been asked to advise Cyclox, a local cyclists' > advocacy group about improving [upon] the Oxfordshire County Council's > cycle map for the city of Oxford[1], and I've said I'll help out. That's great - there's been some discussion of this on the Cyclox mailing list (for example at http://tinyurl.com/cycloxmap AKA http://groups.google.co.uk/group/cyclox-forum/browse_thread/thread/a237464df3618a56# ) It's worth noting there's conflicting interests behind the supporting groups: * Oxford University (whose representative is actually who has contacted you, not a Cyclox person at all) will want something that is suitable for Staff and Students - so College and Department names will need to be clear, for example * Oxfordshire County Council will want something that highlights all the cycle facilities they've invested in, whether or not the facilities are actually useful to cyclists * Cyclox will want something that is useful to their membership, who are actual cyclists from all walks of life in Oxford. This sounds great until you start listening to Cyclox member opinions (see that post refered to above for example) when you find there's a subtle conflict with... * OSM who only want facts in the database, not subjective opinions. I'm not sure what would go into making a really useful local cycling map, but I think at some point it's going to need some subjective tagging. When this has cropped up before some people have said we just need to add lots of factual tags and the rest can be calculated from that. This is good theory, but imagine how hard it would be to render the current map if instead of highway=motorway we instead had car=yes, lanes=3, oneway=yes, hard_shoulder=yes, foot=no, bicycle=no, horse=no, learner_driver=no, etc! highway=motorway is great for a traditional road map, because the classification of roads for motorvehicles by officialdom is generally quite sensible. Sadly the same is not true of classification for cycling. > (I really like the look of the so-called "Cheltenham Standard", > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Cheltenham_Standard , which > RichardF dredged up a while back on #osm. I wonder how/if that could be > implemented in a Mapnik ruleset...) What goes around comes around - I *believe* Richard came across the Cheltenham Standard after it was posted on an earlier Cyclox thread about creating an Oxford map, and I mentioned it here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-August/028438.html I like the Cheltenham Standard, and think tags based on it would make a fine basis for a local cycle map. I'd probably not use the colours they've suggested, but that seems to be the first comment from everyone who sees it. I particularly like the healthy disregard it has for official cycle facilities - cycle lanes/etc are simply taken into account when assessing the level of any road, rather than being depicted on the map themselves. The problem is, and remains, the subjectivity - we can probably get good agreement in and around Oxford on what roads are what level, but if someone else tries to tag somewhere else, they might have a different baseline. The stuff you've added to the "discussion" page of the wiki page you refer to above is a good start to helping everyone use the same baseline, so lets keep working in that direction! s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]
Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: > Out of the blue, I've been asked Specifically this: > Dear Andrew, > > I'm hoping that you are the same Andrew Chadwick as the OpenStreetMap > contributor. > > The local cycle campaign group Cyclox and I are keen to improve the County > Council's current cycle map of Oxford. > > I think something based upon OSM and the OpenCycleMap is the way to go. > > I should be extremely grateful if you would get in touch with me to > discuss the best way to get a group of keen Cyclox members out there > mapping Oxford for cyclists. > > Kind regards, > > Ed Wigzell > Sustainable Travel Officer > Oxford University Estates Directorate Which all sounds interesting indeed. I know Cyclox have proofridden mapped routes in the past, for one thing, and the depth of their local_knowledge ought to be very helpful too. -- Andrew Chadwick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap: outreach to local group and council: any HOWTOs or pointers? [Oxford and general content]
Out of the blue, I've been asked to advise Cyclox, a local cyclists' advocacy group about improving [upon] the Oxfordshire County Council's cycle map for the city of Oxford[1], and I've said I'll help out. It sounds like a great opportunity: the bike group is enthusiastic and community- focused, and there may be some gathering of data involved, so it might feed back into OSM that way. They sound enthusiastic about gathering data of interest to cyclists down to the level of bike parking locations and capacities[2], so by doing what they'd do to benefit themselves we'd benefit too. Which would be nice. Are there any general pointers out there for this kind of outreach stuff? I'd be interested to know how many OSMers out there on talk have done this sort of thing in the past too, and if they have any experiences they'd like to share. (I really like the look of the so-called "Cheltenham Standard", http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Cheltenham_Standard , which RichardF dredged up a while back on #osm. I wonder how/if that could be implemented in a Mapnik ruleset...) [1] http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cyclemaps [2] I've done a bit of bike parking mapping myself recently: http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=15&lat=51.75321&lon=-1.25636 Wonder if that might have been selling the project locally? -- Andrew Chadwick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 14:28 +0100, Nick Black wrote: > Steve - are there any more details / photos etc about this? Hear, hear! I've added the news of this award to my presentation on Monday (Kitchener-Waterloo Linux User Group) and would love to have a photo of Steve accepting, or Andy holding the award. Congratulations, Andy and all! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Nick I have asked organisers to send me the photo of the presentation and the citation text as soon as possible. It will also eventually appear here: http://www.cartography.org.uk/default.asp?contentID=579 Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: Nick Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 9/6/2008 2:28 PM To: Andy Allan Cc: Steve Chilton; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards Steve - are there any more details / photos etc about this? Nick On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll give my public thanks to Steve here, not only for collecting the > award but also for the original mapnik layer on which the cycle map > was originally based. > > And of course, the thousands of people who have contributed directly > or indirectly to the map itself, which would be a bit barren > otherwise! > > Cheers, > Andy > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner and accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be there. Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we met the criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation and generation of the project. We were in a category against some heavyweight commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are available. This is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the excellence of this particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, and all others who have had input to this particular development. A photo of the presentation and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon as it is available and full details of the awards and the winners will be linked from there too. >> >> Cheers >> STEVE >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net <http://www.blacksworld.net/> ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Steve - are there any more details / photos etc about this? Nick On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll give my public thanks to Steve here, not only for collecting the > award but also for the original mapnik layer on which the cycle map > was originally based. > > And of course, the thousands of people who have contributed directly > or indirectly to the map itself, which would be a bit barren > otherwise! > > Cheers, > Andy > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic >> Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping >> category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner >> and accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be >> there. Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we >> met the criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation >> and generation of the project. We were in a category against some >> heavyweight commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are >> available. This is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the >> excellence of this particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, >> and all others who have had input to this particular development. A photo of >> the presentation and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon >> as it is available and full details of the awards and the winners will be >> linked from there too. >> >> Cheers >> STEVE >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
I'll give my public thanks to Steve here, not only for collecting the award but also for the original mapnik layer on which the cycle map was originally based. And of course, the thousands of people who have contributed directly or indirectly to the map itself, which would be a bit barren otherwise! Cheers, Andy On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic > Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping > category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner and > accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be there. > Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we met the > criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation and > generation of the project. We were in a category against some heavyweight > commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are available. This > is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the excellence of this > particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, and all others who > have had input to this particular development. A photo of the presentation > and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon as it is available > and full details of the awards and the winners will be linked from there too. > > Cheers > STEVE > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Its great to see the cycle map being recognised by the BCS. This is a fantastic commendation for Andy A, Dave Stubbs and for OSM. Good work! On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic > Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping > category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner and > accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be there. > Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we met the > criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation and > generation of the project. We were in a category against some heavyweight > commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are available. This > is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the excellence of this > particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, and all others who > have had input to this particular development. A photo of the presentation > and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon as it is available > and full details of the awards and the winners will be linked from there too. > > Cheers > STEVE > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner and accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be there. Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we met the criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation and generation of the project. We were in a category against some heavyweight commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are available. This is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the excellence of this particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, and all others who have had input to this particular development. A photo of the presentation and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon as it is available and full details of the awards and the winners will be linked from there too. Cheers STEVE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
