Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
On 08/giu/2013, at 02:14, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: Tagging is already defined for amenity=toilet (wheelchair=yes/no/limited), why not use that? wheelchair:toilets is not even documented, so why is it used more often? different concepts, one is a feature, the other is an attribute cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
Maybe it is supported by a special wheelchair-editor? In general I think the meanings of both tagings are different. amenity=toilets = there is a single toilet wheelchair:toilet=yes = there is another amenity, shop, whatever, which offers a toilet. Henning Am 08.06.2013 02:14, schrieb Andrew Errington: On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:26:26 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: the suggestion for a toilet attribute on a POI according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets is toilets, that's why I suggest you change the wording in your proposal to plural. IMHO the most logical way would be toilets:wheelchair=yes/no but wheelchair:toilets is currently used far more often. Yes! I don't understand why people ignore the wiki. Tagging is already defined for amenity=toilet (wheelchair=yes/no/limited), why not use that? wheelchair:toilets is not even documented, so why is it used more often? Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
2013/6/7 Christoph Bünte christ...@sozialhelden.de Hi everyone, we at wheelmap.org want to take our service to the next level by tagging public places wether there is an wheelchair accessible toilet or not. To start the discussion we prepared an key proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilet Please let us know what you think about it. the proposal looks reasonable at first glance, if you see this as an attribute to something (and it will definitely be easier to evaluate this way). An alternative might be to tag explicitly the toilet and add wheelchair tags to the toilet. I checked with tag info and there are already tags in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets e.g. wheelchair:*toilets*http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wheelchair%3Atoilets *toilets*:wheelchairhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets%3Awheelchair the suggestion for a toilet attribute on a POI according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets is toilets, that's why I suggest you change the wording in your proposal to plural. IMHO the most logical way would be toilets:wheelchair=yes/no but wheelchair:toilets is currently used far more often. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
In my experience, usually only one stall in a public restroom will have the larger size and handrails needed for wheelchair use. I have only seen a few extra-large restrooms which were equipped to handle more than one wheelchair-using person at a time. Thus, it would be useful to be able to tag the number of such stalls. Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/7 Christoph Bünte christ...@sozialhelden.de Hi everyone, we at wheelmap.org want to take our service to the next level by tagging public places wether there is an wheelchair accessible toilet or not. To start the discussion we prepared an key proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilet Please let us know what you think about it. the proposal looks reasonable at first glance, if you see this as an attribute to something (and it will definitely be easier to evaluate this way). An alternative might be to tag explicitly the toilet and add wheelchair tags to the toilet. I checked with tag info and there are already tags in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets e.g. wheelchair:*toilets*http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wheelchair%3Atoilets *toilets*:wheelchairhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets%3Awheelchair the suggestion for a toilet attribute on a POI according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets is toilets, that's why I suggest you change the wording in your proposal to plural. IMHO the most logical way would be toilets:wheelchair=yes/no but wheelchair:toilets is currently used far more often. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
On 07/06/13 16:02, John F. Eldredge wrote: In my experience, usually only one stall in a public restroom will have the larger size and handrails needed for wheelchair use. I have only seen a few extra-large restrooms which were equipped to handle more than one wheelchair-using person at a time. Thus, it would be useful to be able to tag the number of such stalls. Really? On how many occasions do you think that someone is going to make a different decision based on the availability of that information? One would need to be a wheelchair user approximately equidistant between two toilets, with neither being on the way to where you are going next, and some concern that the area happened to currently be populated by an unusually large number of wheelchair users (a convention, perhaps?), in a situation where waiting a few minutes for a toilet would be a deep inconvenience, using an OpenStreetMap client which made available data about the number of wheelchair-accessible stalls in each toilet. This seems somewhat unlikely, to me at least. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
It would not hurt to have this information as yes/no would still be an option. - Svavar Kjarrval On 07/06/13 15:55, Gervase Markham wrote: On 07/06/13 16:02, John F. Eldredge wrote: In my experience, usually only one stall in a public restroom will have the larger size and handrails needed for wheelchair use. I have only seen a few extra-large restrooms which were equipped to handle more than one wheelchair-using person at a time. Thus, it would be useful to be able to tag the number of such stalls. Really? On how many occasions do you think that someone is going to make a different decision based on the availability of that information? One would need to be a wheelchair user approximately equidistant between two toilets, with neither being on the way to where you are going next, and some concern that the area happened to currently be populated by an unusually large number of wheelchair users (a convention, perhaps?), in a situation where waiting a few minutes for a toilet would be a deep inconvenience, using an OpenStreetMap client which made available data about the number of wheelchair-accessible stalls in each toilet. This seems somewhat unlikely, to me at least. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
Am 07.06.2013 14:26, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/6/7 Christoph Bünte christ...@sozialhelden.de mailto:christ...@sozialhelden.de Hi everyone, we at wheelmap.org http://wheelmap.org want to take our service to the next level by tagging public places wether there is an wheelchair accessible toilet or not. To start the discussion we prepared an key proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilet Please let us know what you think about it. There is a little typo under applies to first word. the proposal looks reasonable at first glance, if you see this as an attribute to something (and it will definitely be easier to evaluate this way). An alternative might be to tag explicitly the toilet and add wheelchair tags to the toilet. I checked with tag info and there are already tags in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets e.g. wheelchair:*toilets* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wheelchair%3Atoilets *toilets*:wheelchair http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/toilets%3Awheelchair the suggestion for a toilet attribute on a POI according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets is toilets, that's why I suggest you change the wording in your proposal to plural. IMHO the most logical way would be toilets:wheelchair=yes/no but wheelchair:toilets is currently used far more often. +1, for toilets:wheelchair=0-100, or even toilets:wheelchair:female=1 fly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Key Proposal wheelchair:toilet
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:26:26 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: the suggestion for a toilet attribute on a POI according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets is toilets, that's why I suggest you change the wording in your proposal to plural. IMHO the most logical way would be toilets:wheelchair=yes/no but wheelchair:toilets is currently used far more often. Yes! I don't understand why people ignore the wiki. Tagging is already defined for amenity=toilet (wheelchair=yes/no/limited), why not use that? wheelchair:toilets is not even documented, so why is it used more often? Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
