Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

On 01/13/2013 04:20 PM, MonkZ wrote:

Maybe colorcoded "here was an edit in log(x) minutes" (tilewise png
transparency or css opiacity) or colorcoded "amount of edits within
this week" (tilewise png transparency or css opiacity)


I tried that in some UI experiments a few weeks ago and it looked cool.

I think it would be nice to show that the OSM map data is really alive
and such ideas as yours above are doing that, it certainly looks better
than nothing at all and the "please zoom in" prompt.

OWL API has "summary tiles" already - they provide exactly the kind of
data you mentioned (last edit + number of edits in the last X days), I
just need to rethink how they are generated/cached because they don't
scale nicely to what's in the database currently.

Anyway, I added a new issue based on your suggestion:

https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/issues/11

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[MonkZ]

On 13.01.2013 15:20, Paweł Paprota wrote:
> * The database now has tiles for over 3 million changesets so things are
> slowing down especially at low zoom levels. Because of this I will
> probably soon remove tiles from zoom levels <= 10 or something like
> that.

Maybe colorcoded "here was an edit in log(x) minutes" (tilewise png
transparency or css opiacity)
or colorcoded "amount of edits within this week" (tilewise png
transparency or css opiacity)

MfG
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

Hi again,

Just a couple of small updates about this project:

* I made some major changes to the user interface - there is no popups
anymore as they obscured geometry and especially made the "show previous
geometry" function useless in some cases as the popup was in the way.
Opinions are welcome as always. For me personally the sidebar feels a
little bit crowded after the changes so it would be nice if someone had
an idea how to preserve the amount of information available and still
have a simple and clear user interface.

* The database now has tiles for over 3 million changesets so things are
slowing down especially at low zoom levels. Because of this I will
probably soon remove tiles from zoom levels <= 10 or something like
that. Queries for those levels run sometimes for several minutes so it's
only a waste of server processing power to try and display them. And
also the disk space is running very low on two 500GB SSDs on the server
and I would rather remove useless tiles than resort to moving data to
the spinning drive :-)

Paweł

On 01/04/2013 12:01 AM, Paweł Paprota wrote:

http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/

Couple of things:

* Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it
sometimes takes a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have
clear idea yet what to really show on the lower zoom levels - what
would be useful - so suggestions are welcome.

* I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when
something breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta
version :-)

* You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about
changes :-)



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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Greg Troxel]

Paweł Paprota  writes:

> Hi Julien,
>
>>
>> Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible
>> here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the
>> same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could
>> be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of a
>> senior user
>
> That's an interesting feature. I'm not sure if it belongs in OWL - maybe
> it would make sense to implement that in the core website application so
> that this "seniority" information could be used in all places where user
> data is shown.

While I found it very useful to see the map of users coded by how active
they had been, I'm a bit concerned that such incentives will change
behavior in ways that are not necessarily useful.  I've heard stories of
programmers at one company writing very bloated code because they were
judged on number of lines of code produced.  While that sounds goofy,
getting a better color for lots of changesets is not so different.

Still, it's very useful to filter out the people with few edits and find
the people that are editing a lot, in terms of reaching out to locals
for meetups, etc.


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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

Hi Julien,



Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible
here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the
same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could
be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of a
senior user



That's an interesting feature. I'm not sure if it belongs in OWL - maybe
it would make sense to implement that in the core website application so
that this "seniority" information could be used in all places where user
data is shown.

But that's more of a technical problem - the feature itself is a good
idea, I will make a note of it, thanks.

In general I would like to add some "social" feel to the new history tab
like displaying user avatar (I hit a technical problem with that for 
now) to make it more engaging than just a dump of changeset metadata.


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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[THEVENON Julien]

Hi Pawel,

Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible here ( 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the same coloured man 
icon on the right of OSM User link.
IMHO it could be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of 
a senior user

my 2 cents
Julien



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>À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 4 janvier 2013 0h01
>Objet : [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
> 
>Hi all,
>
>For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List project[1] 
>and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>
>At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would 
>appreciate early feedback from the community.
>
>You can see it in action here:
>
>http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
>Couple of things:
>
>* Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes 
>a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to really 
>show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions are 
>welcome.
>
>* I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something 
>breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
>
>* You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-)
>
>Any comments are welcome.
>
>[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your feedback - it is exactly what I was hoping for.



Things I've noticed: RSS gives this error: We're sorry, but something
went wrong.


Thanks, I'll fix that.


Scroll bar Gets 'stuck' as I move it down & some of the lettering
doesn't scroll (Firefox  17.01, Shockwave Flash 11.5 r502) Appears to
 work OK in IE (Haven't got Chrome)


Yes, I'm seeing it on Firefox 17 on Windows (on Linux it's OK). Not sure
what's going on but this looks very similar to the following more
general problem:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/162


When I click on an entity the pop-up balloon sometimes obscures it
making it hard to see the changes in geometry. Could the balloon be
positioned further away or make it movable?



Yeah, I noticed that too, not sure yet how to handle this properly.


Requests: Could the permalink be designed to display the history
side-bar?


Good idea, I added it here:

https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/issues/4


Open click-able pages into new tab as default (personal preference)


Hmm, not sure what to do here. I also prefer using new tabs but for that
I always use middle click.


Instead of having the 'next page' icon could a continuous scroll be
employed (similar to how twitter gets older messages)?


I thought about that but there's one problem - if there is continuous
scroll then you will get more and more changesets by scrolling down. And
that means that the user probably expects all of them to be displayed
and that's problematic because browser performance/responsivity
decreases very sharply as the number of geometry features grows beyond
some point.

This still needs to be solved even now with pages limited to 15
changesets - in some cases there is just too much stuff to show and the
browsers freezes.

I would love some thoughts on how to best solve this problem in a way
that is not too complicated for the user.


When hovering the mouse over an edit in the History bar the entities
for that edit dim to a light shade. Wouldn't it be better if it was
the other way around & all others dimmed while the edit your
interested in were emphasised (something similar to the way relations
are highlighted in Potlatch)?



OK, I will tweak color configuration.


Thanks for a superb tool that will save a lot of time for checking
edits.


I'm glad to hear people like it. I hope it will do more than "just" save 
time. I think it really brings OSM data to life and shows that it is 
really a wiki-like mapping project where anyone can change anything.


Anyway, thanks again for your feedback. For the future don't hesitate to 
create Github issues here if you want:


https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/issues

I will add a "report a problem/idea" link to the beta version, maybe it 
will help with getting more feedback.


Paweł


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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Dave F.]

Great! I was hoping OWL would resurrect itself at some point.

Love the 'show previous geometry' & colour coding for emended tags.

Things I've noticed:
RSS gives this error: We're sorry, but something went wrong.
Scroll bar Gets 'stuck' as I move it down & some of the lettering 
doesn't scroll (Firefox  17.01, Shockwave Flash 11.5 r502) Appears to 
work OK in IE (Haven't got Chrome)
When I click on an entity the pop-up balloon sometimes obscures it 
making it hard to see the changes in geometry. Could the balloon be 
positioned further away or make it movable?


Requests:
Could the permalink be designed to display the history side-bar?
Open click-able pages into new tab as default (personal preference)
Instead of having the 'next page' icon could a continuous scroll be 
employed (similar to how twitter gets older messages)?
When hovering the mouse over an edit in the History bar the entities for 
that edit dim to a light shade. Wouldn't it be better if it was the 
other way around & all others dimmed while the edit your interested in 
were emphasised (something similar to the way relations are highlighted 
in Potlatch)?


Thanks for a superb tool that will save a lot of time for checking edits.
Dave F.

On 03/01/2013 23:01, Paweł Paprota wrote:

Hi all,




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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Jan Kučera]

This is a great tool! Hope it will lauch into final osm.org homepage
implementation soon!


2013/1/4 Peter Körner 

> Am 04.01.2013 00:01, schrieb Paweł Paprota:
>
>  For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List
>> project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>>
>
> Really nice implementation!
> Congrats for getting this to the beta level!
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Peter Körner]

Am 04.01.2013 00:01, schrieb Paweł Paprota:

For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List
project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.


Really nice implementation!
Congrats for getting this to the beta level!

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

Hi Pierre,

> On 01/04/2013 01:52 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>

http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-1.70737&lon=29.02081&zoom=15&layers=M



This is indeed a great example. I put the symbols in the sidebar one day 
just because it was easy to do (CSS classes and images were already 
there) and I wanted to show more information about each changeset in the 
list.


At first the idea of those symbols there seemed silly but now I'm 
starting to think it actually makes sense - you can see at a glance what 
is in a changeset and also somehow you can see the scale of a changeset 
as in your example where changesets have dozens of buildings.



In the History tab, the arrows at the bottom to go to the next page
could be more visual. You could maybe simply add a text like Next page.


Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

On 01/04/2013 10:13 AM, Alex Barth wrote:

Pawel -

This is great.

What would it take to make this blazing fast?


There is still a lot challenges ahead with performance such as:

* On high zoom levels OWL API response time is acceptable most of the 
time but I only tested it with 1.5M changesets. Will it scale to 10 
times that? I think it will (on high zoom levels) without major changes 
but if it doesn't then database schema needs to be adjusted (SP-GiST 
indexing maybe).


* On low zoom levels there is a known issue with performance because a 
lot of changesets match and they need to then be sorted by timestamp to 
select the latest ones and the sorting right now does not use the index. 
I spoke with a Postgres guru on IRC and he gave me some hints which I 
still need to try out.


* Client-side performance is still a challenge - I managed to kill 
Firefox a couple of times with the amount of changes that the code tried 
to show. There should probably be a limit of geometry features to be 
shown (plus it should be based on the browser you use) and some kind of 
warning and/or filtering of changes just like the "Browse map data" 
feature does it currently.


* Another performance challenge is with processing history data and 
creating tiles. It used to take a long time but I optimized the hell out 
of the tiler code and now it can process about 500k changesets per 24 
hours so in a month we would have the whole history (in theory, don't 
try this at home...). That's on the zark server with two cores. More 
core = more tiling jobs that can run efficiently so it should not be 
that bad after all (unless the database blows up).


So to answer your question - mostly more testing and development is 
needed, for that I need time.




Echoing Christian: where should we file bugs/suggestions?



I enabled Issues on my fork of openstreetmap-website repo:

https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/issues

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

On 01/04/2013 09:50 AM, Christian Quest wrote:

Very nice improvement. Bravo !

Where should we report bugs/ideas ?



The code is here:

https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/tree/owl-history-tab

So the issues should probably go here for now:

https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-website/issues

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

On 01/04/2013 10:18 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:


Correct - although the data shown in the history panel is from the live
database (via the replication feed) the actual database backing that
rails instance is separate so none of the changesets shown will exist.



Exactly. Same goes for nodes, ways and users. That is partly why I have 
not yet bothered with proper links to those objects but I will correct that.


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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Paweł Paprota]

Hi Toby,

On 01/04/2013 12:41 AM, Toby Murray wrote:

Holy smokes this is great. What is the status of the data backing it?
I see one changeset a coworker just made to our office building (new
user today!) but a changeset I made to to highway west of town on
December 31st doesn't seem to be coming up.

This is the changeset that isn't showing up:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14482239



I'm still doing a lot of experimenting and changes and that means 
scratching the existing geometry tiles and starting all over again.


Generally I process around ~100k-200k changesets (usually with ids 
somewhere between 14M-14.5M) and then it's time to start again to get 
fresh tiles to check some changes in the code I made.


Once the tiling logic is stable I will process history.


Also, the link to the object ID in the popup bubbles when you click on
a change in the map is linked to
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/abc



Yeah :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Tom Hughes]

On 04/01/13 08:59, Maarten Deen wrote:

On 2013-01-04 00:25, Michal Migurski wrote:

Neat!

I found what I think is spam on my first try:

http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.8113&lon=-122.2754&zoom=14&layers=M

"Look no further than Apple Blossom Florist, the premier Oakland
florist, for beautifully arranged flowers and gift baskets for any
occasion…"

Links to changeset #14155469, but that comes up blank here:
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469

Subsequently reverted but still in the index?


In general, links to changesets do not seem to work. If you look up the
changeset in the usual place
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469) you'll see it's
there.


Correct - although the data shown in the history panel is from the live 
database (via the replication feed) the actual database backing that 
rails instance is separate so none of the changesets shown will exist.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[THEVENON Julien]

Very nice feature !

Julien





>
> De : Paweł Paprota 
>À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 4 janvier 2013 0h01
>Objet : [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
> 
>Hi all,
>
>For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List project[1] 
>and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>
>At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would 
>appreciate early feedback from the community.
>
>You can see it in action here:
>
>http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
>Couple of things:
>
>* Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes 
>a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to really 
>show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions are 
>welcome.
>
>* I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something 
>breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
>
>* You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-)
>
>Any comments are welcome.
>
>[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Alex Barth]

Pawel -

This is great.

What would it take to make this blazing fast?

> 
> * Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes 
> a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to 
> really show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions 
> are welcome.

I think on low zoom levels there should be either large bounding boxes or just 
nothing, like we do this now.

Echoing Christian: where should we file bugs/suggestions?

> * I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something 
> breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
> 
> * You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-)
> 
> Any comments are welcome.
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-01-04 00:25, Michal Migurski wrote:

Neat!

I found what I think is spam on my first try:

http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.8113&lon=-122.2754&zoom=14&layers=M
"Look no further than Apple Blossom Florist, the premier Oakland
florist, for beautifully arranged flowers and gift baskets for any
occasion…"

Links to changeset #14155469, but that comes up blank here:
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469

Subsequently reverted but still in the index?


In general, links to changesets do not seem to work. If you look up the 
changeset in the usual place 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469) you'll see it's 
there.


Maarten


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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Christian Quest]

Very nice improvement. Bravo !

Where should we report bugs/ideas ?


2013/1/4 Paweł Paprota :
> Hi all,
>
> For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List
> project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>
> At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would
> appreciate early feedback from the community.
>
> You can see it in action here:
>
> http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
> Couple of things:
>
> * Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes
> takes a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what
> to really show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so
> suggestions are welcome.
>
> * I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something
> breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
>
> * You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes
> :-)
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
>
> Paweł
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Pierre Béland]

Pawel,

That is great. The following link shows Minova that was mapped in a few days in 
december.  This is a good test since it provides a high volume of data and 
shows a variety of objects edited. We see additions, deletions, etc. This let 
us see the various symbols to represent objects edited.  There are also 
examples of objects added or deleted.
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-1.70737&lon=29.02081&zoom=15&layers=M

In the History tab, the arrows at the bottom to go to the next page could be 
more visual. You could maybe simply add a text like Next page.

 
Pierre 



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>À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Jeudi 3 janvier 2013 18h01
>Objet : [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
> 
>Hi all,
>
>For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List project[1] 
>and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>
>At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would 
>appreciate early feedback from the community.
>
>You can see it in action here:
>
>http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
>Couple of things:
>
>* Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes 
>a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to really 
>show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions are 
>welcome.
>
>* I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something 
>breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
>
>* You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-)
>
>Any comments are welcome.
>
>[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
>
>Paweł
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Toby Murray]

Holy smokes this is great. What is the status of the data backing it?
I see one changeset a coworker just made to our office building (new
user today!) but a changeset I made to to highway west of town on
December 31st doesn't seem to be coming up.

This is the changeset that isn't showing up:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14482239

Also, the link to the object ID in the popup bubbles when you click on
a change in the map is linked to
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/abc

Toby


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Paweł Paprota  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List
> project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
>
> At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would
> appreciate early feedback from the community.
>
> You can see it in action here:
>
> http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
> Couple of things:
>
> * Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes
> takes a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what
> to really show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so
> suggestions are welcome.
>
> * I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something
> breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
>
> * You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes
> :-)
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
>
> Paweł
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

[Michal Migurski]

Neat!

I found what I think is spam on my first try:

http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.8113&lon=-122.2754&zoom=14&layers=M
"Look no further than Apple Blossom Florist, the premier Oakland 
florist, for beautifully arranged flowers and gift baskets for any occasion…"

Links to changeset #14155469, but that comes up blank here:
http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469

Subsequently reverted but still in the index?

-mike.

On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Paweł Paprota wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List 
> project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website.
> 
> At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would 
> appreciate early feedback from the community.
> 
> You can see it in action here:
> 
> http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
> 
> Couple of things:
> 
> * Zoom levels >= 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes 
> a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to 
> really show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions 
> are welcome.
> 
> * I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something 
> breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-)
> 
> * You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-)
> 
> Any comments are welcome.
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List)
> 
> Paweł
> 
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