Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
I was responding to the definition of an office as somewhere a licensed professional works. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:41:42 To: Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com Cc: Open Street Map mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) 2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office. For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also work at a hospital. At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? Again you seem to like telling people what they can and can't map, just because what you think should be mapped doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. In any case we're not creating a map, we're creating a database of map information. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/14 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: I was responding to the definition of an office as somewhere a licensed professional works. I didn't disagree with you, but Steve thinks his definition of a map is the only one that matters and continues to tell people how and what they should map as being the only things important enough to do. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office. For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also work at a hospital. At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. When you survey a street from the ground (and not from the satellite imagery), you notice the house numbers, the shops, the doctors, the vets, the restaurants, everything visible from the street. Some contributors are even adding the cuisine type and the opening hours. But they shouldn't survey the architects, lawyers or carpenters, all these business that are not selling goods but services... The problem is that some of the last three examples might be marked as amenity which is far away from the original definition. For carpenters, electricians, joiners, there is already one proposal on the wiki ([1]) but nothing for lawyers, architects, designers, all business that do not fit well with amenity, shop or craft. Pieren [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 20:47, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: In Italy JPs are something like a judge, and notary has the same meaning as the one Serge pointed out for France (i.e. part of the Judiciary, not an attorney, but needed for legally binding things) Being this OSM all about geodata, and being the fact that a public notary is located somewhere inside a given country. Wouldnt this suffice to explain to the user which kind of service is being offered there? i.e. if i see a notary in france i will automatically know this is different from the australian one likewise this goes on for bars and newspaper kiosks around the world (they do not sell same products all over the world) -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/12 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 20:47, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: In Italy JPs are something like a judge, and notary has the same meaning as the one Serge pointed out for France (i.e. part of the Judiciary, not an attorney, but needed for legally binding things) Being this OSM all about geodata, and being the fact that a public notary is located somewhere inside a given country. Wouldnt this suffice to explain to the user which kind of service is being offered there? i.e. if i see a notary in france i will automatically know this is different from the australian one likewise this goes on for bars and newspaper kiosks around the world (they do not sell same products all over the world) I agree completely with you here. I think it would be foolish to assume that because the tag is the same that it is identical across the world. Whether we like or not, there will be always some interpretation on what a tag means based on the country where it is. In the case of the notary, I will not go and see one in Italy without knowing a bit of the legal system in Italy. It is a fallacious argument to say that because the tag is the same, it should be the same thing and therefore could result in confusion. Information is always context sensitive. I believe that if you are dumb enough to take tags at the first degree, you deserve what happens to you. We always talk about normalizing data, but people always seems to forget that context is important in the end. Having context tables for some tags will always be necessary in the end. I am glad to see for example such a table for administrative boundaries, as the administrative layers across the world are very different. At least with the table, I can understand what is going on. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for directories of all kinds, make sure our addressing works, and use geocoding to map between them? +1, in theory. But in the end, people are going to map what they want to map. The best we can do is give them a set of tags which are easily ignored. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But in the end, people are going to map what they want to map. The best we can do is give them a set of tags which are easily ignored. Go stand in a corner. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it :) A place where licensed professionals work? Sound good, I'll start using office= for soem professionals in my town and see how it goes... -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, msn: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a service. But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would consider to be offices. My vet sells medicines, special dog food, etc, and I've been to an accountant/lawyer's office who had a couple of related items (business software, tax books, etc) they stocked as a service for their customers. I don't think there can be a rule based just on whether you can buy goods - maybe it should be where exchange of goods is not the primary purpose? I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it :) IMHO, business=* would work better and cause less hand-wringing over where the line is. My apologies if I've already suggested this. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a service. But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would consider to be offices. My vet sells medicines, special dog food, etc, and I've been to an accountant/lawyer's office who had a couple of related items (business software, tax books, etc) they stocked as a service for their customers. I don't think there can be a rule based just on whether you can buy goods - maybe it should be where exchange of goods is not the primary purpose? I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it :) IMHO, business=* would work better and cause less hand-wringing over where the line is. My apologies if I've already suggested this. so we end up with an equally useless category of business in addition to amenity... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office. For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also work at a hospital. At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for directories of all kinds, make sure our addressing works, and use geocoding to map between them? I think it makes sense to store amenities like petrol stations and cafes, but the further you stray away from stuff someone might need in a hurry, the less sense it makes. It would also seem to be easier to mantain a directory than a map - when an office moves, it *should* just be a matter of updating an entry in a directory, rather than moving the GPS coordinates of a node... No? Is there an open directory project? Could we be better integrated with one? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: You also have the fact that a licensed professional may work elsewhere than at an office. For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the same doctor may also work at a hospital. At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? Again you seem to like telling people what they can and can't map, just because what you think should be mapped doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. In any case we're not creating a map, we're creating a database of map information. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: At that point we're really straying beyond making a map, aren't we? I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for directories of all kinds, make sure our addressing works, and use geocoding to map between them? I think it makes sense to store amenities like petrol stations and cafes, but the further you stray away from stuff someone might need in a hurry, the less sense it makes. It would also seem to be easier to mantain a directory than a map - when an office moves, it *should* just be a matter of updating an entry in a directory, rather than moving the GPS coordinates of a node... No? Is there an open directory project? Could we be better integrated with one? Very interesting points - I don't have an answer to your questions, but I'd like to know too. However... the way I see it, if it has latitude and longitude, and is a verifiable fact, it is suitable for inclusion in the OSM database. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? In the USA, Notary is a secondary function/service (most bank branches here have notaries public on staff, for example). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Alex S. wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? In the USA, Notary is a secondary function/service (most bank branches here have notaries public on staff, for example). We have here an example of something which has the same name but means quite different things in several different countries. I've just looked up what it means in Australia, because I didn't know, and it is again slightly different from any other country. Instead of making proposals for office=lawyer and office=notary could someone consider starting a whole set to include accountants architects surveyors lawyers engineers insurance agents produce agents publisher real estate agent geologist mortgage broker politician i have made no effort to see if there any existing tags which overlap with those i listed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Instead of making proposals for office=lawyer and office=notary could someone consider starting a whole set I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys. For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is: A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or where a service is provided to the general public. Should be the service removed from the shop definition and says that's exclusively for goods retail ? Then office would be Any private/business/customer services where there is no goods exchanged ? Should we exclude the public services (staying in amenity) ? Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Pieren wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Instead of making proposals for office=lawyer and office=notary could someone consider starting a whole set I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys. For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is: A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or where a service is provided to the general public. Should be the service removed from the shop definition and says that's exclusively for goods retail ? Then office would be Any private/business/customer services where there is no goods exchanged ? Should we exclude the public services (staying in amenity) ? Pieren sounds good, because under that shop definition the doctor, the dentist and the vet should all be shop and they are not defined as shop but amenity ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
In the USA, a Notary Public merely attests that the person who signed a document showed official identification to prove their identity matched the name on the document. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Alex S. m...@swavely.com Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:25:29 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) Valent Turkovic wrote: I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? In the USA, Notary is a secondary function/service (most bank branches here have notaries public on staff, for example). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/8 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: In the USA, a Notary Public merely attests that the person who signed a document showed official identification to prove their identity matched the name on the document. The only notary in Australia that I know of is in the US embassy in Sydney. Here, JPs are only supposed to witness you signing something although most of them usually have a read through what ever you're signing because they're nosey, but they don't check your ID. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/8 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys. For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is: A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or where a service is provided to the general public. Should be the service removed from the shop definition and says that's exclusively for goods retail ? Then office would be Any private/business/customer services where there is no goods exchanged ? Should we exclude the public services (staying in amenity) ? If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a service. But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would consider to be offices. My vet sells medicines, special dog food, etc, and I've been to an accountant/lawyer's office who had a couple of related items (business software, tax books, etc) they stocked as a service for their customers. I don't think there can be a rule based just on whether you can buy goods - maybe it should be where exchange of goods is not the primary purpose? I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it :) Stephen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/9 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell one when I see it :) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/office 1. a room, set of rooms, or building where the business of a commercial or industrial organization or of a professional person is conducted: the main office of an insurance company; a doctor's office. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
In England the work of what our colonial brothers and sisters on the paranoid side of the Atlantic call a 'public notary' is one of the things done by a 'solicitor' - whereas over there a 'solicitor' is more likely to be working in the less salubrious parts of town and may need the services of an 'attorney' (aka 'lawyer'). Of course, it is not entirely unknown for an 'attorney' to use the services of a 'solicitor' - which may or may not be legal, according to the jurisdiction. Whereas in England there is nothing dubious about a 'lawyer' employing a 'solicitor' - or even a 'barrister' ... But maybe that's enough ... PS. In the 1960s in order to get my then fiancée a US visa I had to swear an oath (that we would marry at a given time and place) in front of a 'public notary' in the USA and she had to do likewise in front of a 'solicitor' in England. Which produced a letter from the US Immigration Naturalisation Service allowing her entry into the land of the free on condition that (and I quote) the marriage is consummated prior to entry into the United States of America. Those were the days when a body scan on entry to the USA was a really serious matter (;) ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: David Paleino [mailto:da...@debian.org] Sent: 05 January 2010 19:48 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal) John Smith wrote: 2010/1/6 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Yet the same English word notary. It gets even more fun in Australia, we have JPs (Justice of the Peace) to stamp/witness documents being signed, but in the US a JP is something like a judge. In Italy JPs are something like a judge, and notary has the same meaning as the one Serge pointed out for France (i.e. part of the Judiciary, not an attorney, but needed for legally binding things) joke amenity=notary notary=american-like|european-like /joke :) -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
office=lawyer should definitely exist if it doesn't exist it should be added, any reason not to add this feature? On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, msn: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
I like the idea of office=laywer, office=notary maybe we need this, no? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Yeah, I agree amenity is overused. Also perhaps business=notary? But if the term is so confusing, maybe find something else, like public_official or something. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, msn: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 05.01.2010 17:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: I have found that only Turks have public notary as mapping feature (amenity=notary) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tr:Map_Features Do you think we should make this a official mapping feature? No, OSMDoc tells us that it is used only two times on the whole planet. Map Features should probably tell you what tags are in use, not what people think should be in use in the future. What is the correct way making amenity=notary an official mapping feature? Use it more often in real mapping life :-) I'm not against amenity=notary, but it really has to be used more often ... I didn't use it BECAUSE it is not listed as legal POI on OSM wiki. Am I doing it wrong? I didn't understand that people just use keys that they want no matter it there aren't listed in OSM features list on Wiki... -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, msn: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
Am 06.01.2010 15:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not against amenity=notary, but it really has to be used more often ... I didn't use it BECAUSE it is not listed as legal POI on OSM wiki. Am I doing it wrong? I didn't understand that people just use keys that they want no matter it there aren't listed in OSM features list on Wiki... Wrong and legal are such hard words ;-) First and foremost: You can tag what you like. If there's no such thing in the Map Features and a search in the wiki proposals also provides no good matching alternative, it's a lot better to tag something in your own tag words than not map it at all. But please don't expect that it will be rendered anytime soon :-) Obviously, it's a good idea that there's a certain agreement among mappers to tag common things in the same way, so software like renderers, routers have a chance to do their job. That's the reason why looking in the wiki first is a good idea. Anyway, please read the start of the map features page, which sums up this topic probably better than I can do. Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 06.01.2010 15:41, schrieb Valent Turkovic: ... I didn't understand that people just use keys that they want no matter it there aren't listed in OSM features list on Wiki... ... If there's no such thing in the Map Features and a search in the wiki proposals also provides no good matching alternative, it's a lot better to tag something in your own tag words than not map it at all. If you do this, just make sure the tags that you use are self-explanatory, explicit, and verifiable. Add a note=* with more information if there's any chance you may be misunderstood. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On 01/05/2010 11:42 AM, Pieren wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary service? Though that conflicts slightly with the service=* for describing a highway=service... -Alex Mauer “hawke” signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Ah, Pieren touches on an issue which is unspoken in this issue... What does a Notary Public mean? In the US, a Notary Public is someone who simply stamps documents. It's not hard to become one, they're licensed out and there's a nominal annual fee, and usually places which offer notary services charge somewhere between $1 and $5 for the service. I believe Pieren is French, and in France, a Notary is something more akin to a lawyer- they're a person one hires to write up contracts and other legal work. They're not attorneys but they have legal training and officially they're part of the Judiciary. Their services are required when you make legally binding documents (contracts, some tax forms, house sales, etc.). Yet the same English word notary. This should be clarified before adding it to the map. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
2010/1/6 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: Yet the same English word notary. It gets even more fun in Australia, we have JPs (Justice of the Peace) to stamp/witness documents being signed, but in the US a JP is something like a judge. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Yeah, I agree amenity is overused. Also perhaps business=notary? But if the term is so confusing, maybe find something else, like public_official or something. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
