Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
On 08/09/2011 16:16, Matthias Meisser wrote: The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc. Think this should be part of a reinitiate the complete news processing of our community (news at twitter, blogs, diaries, wiki, newsletters,...). @osmblogs tweets all the postings made to http://blogs.openstreetmap.org/ if that's what you want. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
On 9/8/2011 11:30 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 09/08/2011 05:20 PM, SteveC wrote: * Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there be lots of questions? +1 to Mikel: Let's answer questions by pointing people to our existing support infrastructure; not by trying to create another support infrastructure (one of the disadvantages of which is that after a few hours no second person will profit from the answer given because it is not archived). To *encourage* people to use twitter as a support medium would be detrimental. Personally I want the OSM attitude to be "that's a fun idea, let's try it". This costs us basically nothing You're free to answer tweets like anyone else is free to do, and indeed does already. That doesn't cost anything indeed. Setting up a project that bundles peoples' time by enticing them to take part in your fun idea will ONLY cost us nothing if these people were NOT using their time to help OSM before. If, on the other hand, by giving twitter users the impression that they will be personally cared for if they just shout out their problems, you create an atmosphere where experienced OSMers will spend much more time to personally tend to such questions (because participation is drawn away from media like help.osm.org where answers are archived and because new users are not encouraged to search for answers in these well-redacted media), then this does indeed lower the overall quality of service we can provide because our resources are limited. I suppose it's a sign of the project's maturity that we discuss rather than solve problems. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
Hi, On 09/08/2011 05:20 PM, SteveC wrote: * Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there be lots of questions? +1 to Mikel: Let's answer questions by pointing people to our existing support infrastructure; not by trying to create another support infrastructure (one of the disadvantages of which is that after a few hours no second person will profit from the answer given because it is not archived). To *encourage* people to use twitter as a support medium would be detrimental. Personally I want the OSM attitude to be "that's a fun idea, let's try it". This costs us basically nothing You're free to answer tweets like anyone else is free to do, and indeed does already. That doesn't cost anything indeed. Setting up a project that bundles peoples' time by enticing them to take part in your fun idea will ONLY cost us nothing if these people were NOT using their time to help OSM before. If, on the other hand, by giving twitter users the impression that they will be personally cared for if they just shout out their problems, you create an atmosphere where experienced OSMers will spend much more time to personally tend to such questions (because participation is drawn away from media like help.osm.org where answers are archived and because new users are not encouraged to search for answers in these well-redacted media), then this does indeed lower the overall quality of service we can provide because our resources are limited. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
> It turns out a lot of people use it, and Facebook, and there will be more. To > ignore them is silly. > >I agree, I think it's being out of touch with reality to ignore >Twitter and Facebook, whether or not it's the best medium or what you >personally think of it. And the comment comparing this to sending >people out to pubs is absurd; one is (fairly easily) technically >feasible, while the other is highly impractical. We can always point >people to relevant ML threads, wiki pages, help questions, etc. > > +1. The number of people who's first entry to the Internet is Twitter and Facebook is huge. It's a good strategy to respond with links to our core support tools.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
> On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:40, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> On 09/08/11 01:20, SteveC wrote: >>> There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we >>> miss. >> >> I don't think that we should encourage that. Call me old-fashioned but to me >> this is as if you were saying: "There's a lot of people asking things in >> pubs about OSM that we miss. I'm looking for a solution." >> >> The solution is getting people to ask the questions they have not in the pub >> but on the lists, in the forums, on IRC, or on help.osm.org, instead of >> spreading our limited capacities even thinner. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Steve Coast wrote: > I don't think you're part of the twitter generation then Fred :-) > > It turns out a lot of people use it, and Facebook, and there will be more. To > ignore them is silly. I agree, I think it's being out of touch with reality to ignore Twitter and Facebook, whether or not it's the best medium or what you personally think of it. And the comment comparing this to sending people out to pubs is absurd; one is (fairly easily) technically feasible, while the other is highly impractical. We can always point people to relevant ML threads, wiki pages, help questions, etc. -Josh ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
On 08/09/2011 16:20, SteveC wrote: Chris * Remote searches aren't guaranteed to be accurate. Therefore you're probably missing posts. I do all the time. * There are lots of search terms, OSM, openstreetmap, #openstreetmap, open streetmap, open street map ... Therefore you're probably missing posts. * Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there be lots of questions? Personally I want the OSM attitude to be "that's a fun idea, let's try it". This costs us basically nothing, if it doesn't work we can kill it. With a bit of luck though, it will result in more mapping. I didn't mean my comments as criticism, I actually think it's a good thing to setup, so count me in. I'm already vaguely doing this and it seems so are others, so having a more co-ordinated approach is a good thing. Especially if we can filter out stuff. Cheers Chris On 9/8/2011 8:43 AM, Chris Fleming wrote: On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available. I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots. Have I missed something here? Although I can't see setting up the mozilla army of awesome doing any harm, although excluding various OSM bots will be needed. Helping people into the community isn't a bad thing; most people won't signup the first time they land on the openstreetmap page, and once they've signed up it may be some time before they edit. One regular at our Edinburgh meetups signed up after seeing a talk I did, but didn't start to edit for 2 years. So, using channels to remind people and about OSM and give them a gentle push in the right direction won't do any harm; and a professional use of twitter is just part of that. The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc. Cheers Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
Chris * Remote searches aren't guaranteed to be accurate. Therefore you're probably missing posts. I do all the time. * There are lots of search terms, OSM, openstreetmap, #openstreetmap, open streetmap, open street map ... Therefore you're probably missing posts. * Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there be lots of questions? Personally I want the OSM attitude to be "that's a fun idea, let's try it". This costs us basically nothing, if it doesn't work we can kill it. With a bit of luck though, it will result in more mapping. Steve On 9/8/2011 8:43 AM, Chris Fleming wrote: On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available. I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots. Have I missed something here? Although I can't see setting up the mozilla army of awesome doing any harm, although excluding various OSM bots will be needed. Helping people into the community isn't a bad thing; most people won't signup the first time they land on the openstreetmap page, and once they've signed up it may be some time before they edit. One regular at our Edinburgh meetups signed up after seeing a talk I did, but didn't start to edit for 2 years. So, using channels to remind people and about OSM and give them a gentle push in the right direction won't do any harm; and a professional use of twitter is just part of that. The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc. Cheers Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
Am Donnerstag, den 08.09.2011, 15:43 +0100 schrieb Chris Fleming: > I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I > think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on > opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots. > Similar for me, cause I monitor Twitter for news headlines. > The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good > number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting > than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So > interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc. Think this should be part of a reinitiate the complete news processing of our community (news at twitter, blogs, diaries, wiki, newsletters,...). bye Matthias (user:!i!) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available. I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots. Have I missed something here? Although I can't see setting up the mozilla army of awesome doing any harm, although excluding various OSM bots will be needed. Helping people into the community isn't a bad thing; most people won't signup the first time they land on the openstreetmap page, and once they've signed up it may be some time before they edit. One regular at our Edinburgh meetups signed up after seeing a talk I did, but didn't start to edit for 2 years. So, using channels to remind people and about OSM and give them a gentle push in the right direction won't do any harm; and a professional use of twitter is just part of that. The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc. Cheers Chris -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
I don't think you're part of the twitter generation then Fred :-) It turns out a lot of people use it, and Facebook, and there will be more. To ignore them is silly. Steve stevecoast.com On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:40, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/08/11 01:20, SteveC wrote: >> There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we >> miss. > > I don't think that we should encourage that. Call me old-fashioned but to me > this is as if you were saying: "There's a lot of people asking things in pubs > about OSM that we miss. I'm looking for a solution." > > The solution is getting people to ask the questions they have not in the pub > but on the lists, in the forums, on IRC, or on help.osm.org, instead of > spreading our limited capacities even thinner. > >> Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. > > Why should we? "RT JoeRandomStudent: OSM rulez" - I don't see how this > should do anything but waste time. > > Bye > Frederik > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
2011/9/8 Mike N : > Retweeting can be automated by keywords in your twitter client, and doesn't > have to waste time. well, would waste the time of who reads it ;-) Actually not all #osm tweets seem to be related to Openstreetmap, at least currently there is a lot about a concert hall: "Someone convince me: Why is it worthwhile to attend a concert at the new #OSM? Give me your top three reasons." etc. http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23OSM RT JoeRandomStudent: #OSM rulez cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
SteveC schrieb: I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available. The code is available for sure, and AFAIK with a permissive license (BSD or such). I connected Steve with the person at Mozilla responsible for that feature, he'll surely send a pointer to where the code is. :) Robert Kaiser ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
On 9/8/2011 4:40 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 09/08/11 01:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. I don't think that we should encourage that. Call me old-fashioned but to me this is as if you were saying: "There's a lot of people asking things in pubs about OSM that we miss. I'm looking for a solution." The solution is getting people to ask the questions they have not in the pub but on the lists, in the forums, on IRC, or on help.osm.org, instead of spreading our limited capacities even thinner. To the twitterheads, Twitter is "the Internet". They won't go poking around, looking for which of the 4 or more help media (all of which require a signup sequence) to post a question. Perhaps we're saying the same thing we say about Facebook logins: if you're a twitterhead, we don't want you. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. Why should we? "RT JoeRandomStudent: OSM rulez" - I don't see how this should do anything but waste time. Retweeting can be automated by keywords in your twitter client, and doesn't have to waste time. Normally retweeting would highlight Twitter trending topics, but I'll admit that the number involved in OSM is so low it wouldn't trigger any Twitter trending topics. But I still can't resist retweeting to this list: "RT JoeRandomStudent: #OSM rulez" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling
Hi, On 09/08/11 01:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. I don't think that we should encourage that. Call me old-fashioned but to me this is as if you were saying: "There's a lot of people asking things in pubs about OSM that we miss. I'm looking for a solution." The solution is getting people to ask the questions they have not in the pub but on the lists, in the forums, on IRC, or on help.osm.org, instead of spreading our limited capacities even thinner. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. Why should we? "RT JoeRandomStudent: OSM rulez" - I don't see how this should do anything but waste time. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
