Re: [Talk-hr] jednom je slucajnost, dvaput je podudarnost, a triput je vec zavjera
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:51:24 +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: srecom jos nismo do stupnja zavjere dosli nesto se dogadja na horizontu? Cloudmade se sumnjivo prazni od OSMa 5.10.2010 http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade 8.10.2010 http://opengeodata.org/last-community-ambassador-resigns-from-cloudm Koliko sam pratio covjek se ozenio i ima sada druge prioritete i drugi smjer nego raditi u cloudemade-u. Ne vidim tu neku zavjeru, ali ako znas nesto vise molim te podjeli s ostalima. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] jednom je slucajnost, dvaput je podudarnost, a triput je vec zavjera
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:06:05PM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:51:24 +0200, Matija Nalis wrote: srecom jos nismo do stupnja zavjere dosli nesto se dogadja na horizontu? Cloudmade se sumnjivo prazni od OSMa 5.10.2010 http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade 8.10.2010 http://opengeodata.org/last-community-ambassador-resigns-from-cloudm Koliko sam pratio covjek se ozenio i ima sada druge prioritete i drugi smjer nego raditi u cloudemade-u. Pa ne kazem. Jednom (SteveC) bi bila samo slucajnost. Jesi pogledao linkove? Osim njega u razmaku 3 dana maknula se i Cloudmade community ambasadorica Thea Clay (takodjer i OSM US Treasurer, te OSMF Board runner-up ove godine). Dakle smo tek na dvaput (podudarnost), odnosno *nema* (barem jos :) i treceg (zavjere, ili neprijateljske akcije ako ces direktno prevoditi original i time izgubiti onu fleksibilnost primjenjivosti) Ne vidim tu neku zavjeru, ali ako znas nesto vise molim te podjeli s ostalima. Dakle nista se veliko ne dogadja i nema neke zavjere, ali je ipak interesantna podudarnost. (A mozda se i dogadja nesto, samo jos nismo smislili dovoljno dobru teoriju zavjere :-) A taj subject je trebao biti saljiv; to ti je popularni lokalizirani generalizirani prijevod onog quotea: Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'. - Ian Fleming (Goldfinger) A kaj se tiece SteveC smjera, evo: http://blog.transiki.org/ -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Anthony wrote: I also haven't been kicked out of Wikipedia, though you have claimed it multiple times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Anthony_evidence#Anthony_DiPierro http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Logtype=blockpage=User:Anthony+DiPierro http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Anthony_DiPierroaction=historysubmitdiff=150082529oldid=127296822 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Anthonydiff=prevoldid=18550249 http://miamichaela.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/moron.jpg Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote: We've got, it looks like, the last three months or so of tracks from about twenty vehicles, and I can break the data up into whatever chunks I want. I've been working with one track file per seven days, which seems to be about a 6-8MB gpx file. Would this be okay to upload? Is there any issue with it containing only one track (i.e. there are some connections between points that are hundreds of kilometers apart). Best to split it at points like that. Otherwise you end up with these spurious lines that don't represent roads - just random connections. So if you can have multiple tracks within the one gps, with each track being a real contiguous sequence of points, that would be best. As for the drivers: they know the vehicles movements are being logged, and they know that I'm working on making their maps better; there wouldn't be any problem with getting their permission, but I'm not sure it's necessary -- there's no way to link any part of the logging to any particular vehicle, or driver. Hmm... there will be a concentration of points near drivers' homes... but then again, also near every place they stop as well. Is this something to worry about? That's a discussion you need to have with them, or with other people in the company. Remember, once you release the information, it's pretty hard to get the genie back in the bottle. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines expressed in the first portion of the Code of Conduct DRAFT found here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_list_code_of_conduct ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coraine Land Cover - OSM tags
sv == Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com writes: sv Does anyone have a list of all of the tags used for the Coraine Land sv Cover dataset? The CLC classes can be browsed at http://etc-lusi.eionet.europa.eu/CLC2000/classes/index_html and the tagging scheme selected for the OSM import is described at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover/Tagging_scheme -- Eric Marsden ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Am 16.10.2010 10:05, schrieb Richard Weait: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Yes, unless absolutely necessary (which I currently can't see), we should *absolutely* avoid such guidelines. In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? I'm at a loss to understand how asking people to follow simple rules like be collaborative and be considerate could end up being harmful? I'm very much in favour of adopting such a policy. At the very least, we can then stop debating whether or not we need such policies, and whether or not people's behaviour is harmful - we can simply discuss whether they are in line with the policy or not. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines expressed in the first portion of the Code of Conduct DRAFT found here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_list_code_of_conduct As an alternative, consider email filters. Filters can be per sender or per keyword, depending on your email system. For instance from Yahoo! email you can block up to 500 senders. http://email.about.com/od/yahoomailtip1/qt/Block_a_Sender_in_Yahoo_Mail.htm Gmail allows you to block senders as well http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=8151 Depending on the filtering capabilities of your mail system, you might consider filtering based on specific words. As an example, you could filter on a user name, to avoid mail from a user, and avoid replies sent to that user, too! I can assure you that talk@ becomes a much nicer place with only a few filters. As another example you could filter email with specific keywords so that you don't have to consider reading them, like license or Code of Conduct. Ask your email administrator if you need help with implementing filters. They can improve the quality of the email you read dramatically. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? I'm at a loss to understand how asking people to follow simple rules like be collaborative and be considerate could end up being harmful? I think this is a very good point. If such a policy exists, it should be specific about what is disruptive, and how disruptions will be dealt with *transparently*. I think identifying positive behavior like this is not very productive and can be limiting. I would like to see something that says: This is what we do not tolerate (just like a lot of web forums), and this is how we will deal with it. Other than, do exactly what you want and have a good time while you're at it. I will not lie. I have not seen the Ubuntu Code of Conduct or similar initiatives mentioned before. However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list after a hiatus. Collaboration and consideration is going on without the code, and will probably continue, even improve, by isolating bad behaviors. I'm very much in favour of adopting such a policy. At the very least, we can then stop debating whether or not we need such policies, and whether or not people's behaviour is harmful - we can simply discuss whether they are in line with the policy or not. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On 16 October 2010 19:08, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: initiatives mentioned before. However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list after a hiatus. Collaboration and consideration Most of the caustic behaviour I've seen lately is from SteveC... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2010 19:08, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: initiatives mentioned before. However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list after a hiatus. Collaboration and consideration Most of the caustic behaviour I've seen lately is from SteveC... I did not single out anyone on purpose, because this is not going to be productive OR solve the current issue. Whether it is SteveC or any other OSM user, setting transparent guidelines regarding behavior we do not tolerate will go a long way. I respect SteveC, and he has given up increasing control OSM from its inception to now for the benefit of the community. I think if he were instructed by the community, I hope he would behave like any other user: respect the rules and accept a ban if deserved. To make it clear, this is not an invitation for comments on how SteveC would theoretically behave. Personally, I do not want to discuss it. If you do John, feel free to start such a discussion with a new thread. But like other topics, I think this is an important issue that will be quickly derailed if we start singling people out instead of discussing the relevant details of implementation. Please excuse me if this sounds blunt. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On 16 October 2010 19:21, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: I did not single out anyone on purpose, because this is not going to be productive OR solve the current issue. Whether it is SteveC or any This thread/idea started because of suggestions made previously by SteveC and now he's the one breaching his own guidelines... In any case my point is that I've seen very little from him other than him constantly calling Anthony a troll, perhaps he should take Richard's advice on filtering emails if Anthony's posts are so undesirable to him. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Am 16.10.2010 10:54, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: In the long run they tend to do more harm than good. Hi, can you give an example of this? The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for exact this reason. I'm at a loss to understand how asking people to follow simple rules like be collaborative and be considerate could end up being harmful? It's not the be collaborative aspect I'm worrying about. It's the otherwise we'll ban you - without any transparency. In the german ML we had some cases where a few people publicly and privately asked the problematic persons nicely: please reconsider your behaviour. It worked remarkably well. It's an illusion that the discussions will end or that the problematic people will just go away if they are banned. They will often get really angry and behave even uglier than before ... I'm very much in favour of adopting such a policy. At the very least, we can then stop debating whether or not we need such policies, and whether or not people's behaviour is harmful - we can simply discuss whether they are in line with the policy or not. And who will decide that? ;-) And who will decide to change the policy just in case? ;-) Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:32:32 +0200 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm very much in favour of adopting such a policy. At the very least, we can then stop debating whether or not we need such policies, and whether or not people's behaviour is harmful - we can simply discuss whether they are in line with the policy or not. And who will decide that? ;-) And who will decide to change the policy just in case? ;-) When you have a set of standards you define the standards you define the penalties you set up accreditors you set up an arbitrator accreditors compare [whatever] against the standards arbitrator makes a final decision penalties or rewards are applied Now, as this is talk, we can talk for the next 12 months about standards, penalties, who is in group a and who is in group b. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 15.10.2010 12:11, schrieb Valent Turkovic: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their tiles under a free license. They distribute it now for free? Why? They are forced to by the CC-BY-SA License. Peter Sorry for this lame question, but on mapquest.com site I only see (c) by NAVTEQ, no mention of OSM, why?!? Do they use OSM data? I see some more detailed data in some parts than on OSM has so I guess they have licenced it from somewhere else, or they combine NAVTEQ and OSM data? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće, zwave registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coraine Land Cover - OSM tags
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Cool thanks :) That's what i'm looking for. I'll get back to this thread once my spreadsheet making is complete. cheers, sam Fyi, in France, we imported only the polygons that didn't overlap more than 2% with the already existing landuses in OSM. Then we deployed a slippy map showing the remaining polygons that had to be integrated manually (using JOSM remote control) http://clc.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py. The scripts and process are documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover/Corine_Data_Import Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de wrote: Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM. But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large margin, that which would be required to attract people to the project. And still people whine about our lack of vision! Nonsense Frederic, Justin makes a number of very valid points that make the impression on the average visitor, that show we are a unstructured community in some ways. And no-one is whining, we are trying to make a better OSM, and the mapnik map is in most of the cass the first impression the user gets. We have voluntarily choosen to use the MAP(NIK) as 80% of our frontpage. There are no statements about that are just in for data quality. That is the first (and too often) the last impression a visitor gets. I'm not sure how much we have chosen to have a big map on the front page. It has been this way for years and hasn't change while the project itself has changed and involved in a lot of ways. Why don't we display more info about our project on the front page but instead let the user more or less guess what we are about (by showing them a map and a search box that looks a little bit like yet another Google Maps clone and a small text description + a few links.) Why don't we show them different map styles to choose from. We can force them to choose a map style and they will learn that OSM has more than one map (and maybe they also understand that OSM data can be used to produce different maps, but it's a start anyway). Or do you really think that this little plus over there is discovered by anyone visiting osm.org for the first time? Why don't we show them upfront that we already have thousands of contributors mapping right now (think of something like those maps showing edits live) and make information about how this mapping is done available with just one click? Why don't we show them that OSM contributors meet up in local groups to have fun? Why don't we show them the different ways OSM data can be used - OSM data on mobile devices like smartphones and outdoor GPS devices, routing based on OSM, mashups with OSM basemaps... Why shouldn't we educate the visitors and make them learn what OSM truly is. As long as we can agree, that OSM is more than a small text description on the side and a big map, we can do a much better job showing the diversity and richness of OSM and giving the visitors reasons why they should want to contribute to this awesome project. And of course, I know that this needs someone to write the code for it and write the text and pick some images. But I think that making osm.org look even more similar to Google Maps and the like is the wrong way [1]. Also, please don't tell me that we can't put all this information on the front page, we can. Web pages can be longer than 600px because there is scrolling. Web pages can contain elements that move like a slideshow. They can contain small videos and images. We might even have all this information available in our wiki already, but why shouldn't we display it upfront on osm.org? -Jonas [1] We can still do this and make it available as maps.osm.org for example and put a pretty big link on osm.org But it shouldn't be the main element on osm.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Great idea! Why not? I immediately thought about www.linuxmint.com because they have done this and executed it beuatifully. You can see on their site different products and info about each of them. This would probably also work great for OSM. OSM is clearly not onyl the map but that is what is shown to people the minute they type in www.osm.org why not place map on www.osm.org/map or map.osm.org but create a homepage that shows the beautiful diversity of OSM project? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće, zwave registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On 16 Oct 2010, at 11:31, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 15.10.2010 12:11, schrieb Valent Turkovic: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their tiles under a free license. They distribute it now for free? Why? They are forced to by the CC-BY-SA License. Peter Sorry for this lame question, but on mapquest.com site I only see (c) by NAVTEQ, no mention of OSM, why?!? Do they use OSM data? I see some more detailed data in some parts than on OSM has so I guess they have licenced it from somewhere else, or they combine NAVTEQ and OSM data? open.mapquest.co.uk open.mapquest.de open.mapquest.es etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapQuest has more info. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: As an alternative, consider email filters. Filters can be per sender or per keyword, depending on your email system. I guess these are two totally different schools of thought: 1) There is one community, one pool of messages, and we all do what we can to make that pool as productive and pleasant as possible. 2) Each member of the community decides what he/she wants to see, and uses tools to filter as appropriate. Having experienced both types of community, I have a strong preference for 1). There are all kinds of problems with the second type: people end up filtering stuff out that they just don't agree with (ie, they're wrong, but don't have to listen to anyone tell them so), cliques form, and overall the community is weaker. Quite honestly, I'm very surprised that the idea of a set of behaviour rules for the mailing list, with moderators, is at all controversial. Mailing lists have been around, what 30, maybe 40 years now? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for exact this reason. And the English Wikipedia doesn't. The rules for behaviour are quite simple, and easily followed, and it's all the more productive for it. What's your point? It's not the be collaborative aspect I'm worrying about. It's the otherwise we'll ban you - without any transparency. Ok, you made a few assumptions. No one even mentioned how (or if) these standards would be enforced. In the german ML we had some cases where a few people publicly and privately asked the problematic persons nicely: please reconsider your behaviour. It worked remarkably well. That's a good model to follow. And it works even better with a clear code of conduct. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:29 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: http://miamichaela.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/moron.jpg https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Anthonydiff=391046808oldid=391046671 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
Okay folks, we've talked about a Code of Conduct for a long time. Here's my proposal for one. It's a draft, so let's discuss. I'm attaching it here and it's also on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Code_of_Conduct My goal is after some discussion here, we can bring it to a vote within some forum of the OSMF and have it adopted project wide. Here's the contents of that page, so we can discuss it on the list: = Draft OpenStreetMap Code of Conduct = This is a draft for the OpenStreetMap Code of Conduct. If accepted, it would apply to the totality of the project, including mailing lists, forums, IRC and other official channels of OSM communication. == Be Respectful == OpenStreetMap contributors come from a variety of backgrounds and have a variety of skill sets. We believe that our diversity is a source of strength and that everyone has something to contribute to the project. Some degree of frustration and constructive disagreement is to be expected when dealing with a passionate community project. However, it is important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one. In the spirit of collaboration, please refrain from allowing healthy differences of opinion or frustration to turn into personal attacks or flame/edit wars.. We expect community members to be respectful when dealing with other contributors, as well as people outside the project. == Be Collaborative == Collaboration is central to OpenStreetMap and we encourage our contributors to work together both inside and outside the project. Collaboration strengthens our community. OpenStreetMap contributors are encouraged to act transparently and when possible involve all interested parties. When a new approach is taken on an existing project or a major project is considered/started, please notify the larger community early, document the work and inform others regularly of progress. == When we disagree, we consult others == Disagreements, both social and technical, are common in diverse communities. It is crucial for the long term success of the project that major disagreements are resolved constructively, with transparency, with the help of the community and community processes. == When we are unsure, we ask for help == Nobody knows everything, and nobody is expected to be perfect in the OpenStreetMap community. Asking questions before taking a major action can prevent problems down the road, and so questions is encouraged. When asking a question, members are encouraged to do so in an open and appropriate forum. == Step down considerately == When members of an OpenStreetMap organization leave their official role, or disengage from the project, they are asked to do so in a way that minimizes disruption to the project as a whole. Members are strongly encouraged to put forth an effort to ensure that others can pick up where they left off. == Respect Copyright and Licenses == It can be very tempting when you find a dataset or resource to add it to OpenStreetMap. Not all data resources have copyright or license agreements compatible with OSM. Tainted data in OpenStreetMap may put the entire project at risk. Please be conscious of license issues and never add data into OpenStreetMap in a way that violates other licenses or copyright. If you have a question on whether or not a data set is compatible, you are encouraged to contact the Data Working Group or the Legal Working Group for clarification. The OpenStreetMap Code of Conduct is based on the Ubuntu Code of Conduct ( http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct ) and is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What's up in Cloudmade?
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In a couple of days Steve and the community ambassador [1] are leaving CloudMade... is happening something big? Sure. Mapquest. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Am 16.10.2010 14:15, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: The german Wikipedia has so much please do this, please read that , please follow ..., ... that it turns out to be no more fun working there. I've almost stopped it for exact this reason. And the English Wikipedia doesn't. The rules for behaviour are quite simple, and easily followed, and it's all the more productive for it. Yes, its very productive to get sooo much good intended advise that I've completely lost interest. Very productive indeed. It's not the be collaborative aspect I'm worrying about. It's the otherwise we'll ban you - without any transparency. Ok, you made a few assumptions. No one even mentioned how (or if) these standards would be enforced. Hmmm, you obviously did not read the Violations_and_Enforcement section of the wiki page :-( In the german ML we had some cases where a few people publicly and privately asked the problematic persons nicely: please reconsider your behaviour. It worked remarkably well. That's a good model to follow. And it works even better with a clear code of conduct. No, that's the point: It works even better *without* a written code of conduct. Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Okay folks, we've talked about a Code of Conduct for a long time. Here's my proposal for one. Obviously Serge is using filtering to improve his life. Somebody tell him this is a good idea. ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? It's a good idea in theory, but I'm afraid it wouldn't work in practice within OSM, since the founder of the project, who is still in a position of power within the project, regularly breaks those very rules. The idea that the fair imposition of such a code of conduct would be possible in such an environment is a pipe dream. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Anybody object to adopting a Code of Conduct for behaviour with OpenStreetMap mailing lists, fora, blogs, and other communication channels? Would anyone find it a burden to keep their expression within the guidelines expressed in the first portion of the Code of Conduct DRAFT found here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_list_code_of_conduct You'll notice the similarity between this and Serge's because I ripped extensively from his draft. Thanks emacsen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
Am 16.10.2010 14:36, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: Here's the contents of that page, so we can discuss it on the list: = Draft OpenStreetMap Code of Conduct = snip Why did you leave out the Violations and Enforcement section of that page altogether? Please not again some voodoo-magic circle that decides what is best for us ... ;-) Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net [2010-10-14 10:47 -0700]: I think you could largely sum up his criticisms in two broad headings: 1. US OSM contributors need to get their shit together 2. European maps don't look like American ones I'm trying to see what sort of consensus exists on some of the issues from 41 latitude's post. I've sent an email to the talk-us list[0] asking for feedback and discussion. I encourage anyone who's interested, particulary people who map in the US, to contribute to the discussion on that list. [0]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004361.html The North American interest in highway signs may be difficult to understand around the world. If I remember correctly one of our Euro-colleagues referred to highway shields as looking a bit naff. I think that means good though. So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. There are others. Many others. I was surprised to find this list of road songs on the official US Federal Highway Administration web site. That may help to define the scope of the interest (problem) for our friends who don't see the attraction of highway shields. Even the humorless official bodies in North America like a good road song. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/roadsong.cfm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Saturday 16 October 2010 13:46:44 Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net [2010-10-14 10:47 -0700]: I think you could largely sum up his criticisms in two broad headings: 1. US OSM contributors need to get their shit together 2. European maps don't look like American ones I'm trying to see what sort of consensus exists on some of the issues from 41 latitude's post. I've sent an email to the talk-us list[0] asking for feedback and discussion. I encourage anyone who's interested, particulary people who map in the US, to contribute to the discussion on that list. [0]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004361.htm l The North American interest in highway signs may be difficult to understand around the world. If I remember correctly one of our Euro-colleagues referred to highway shields as looking a bit naff. I think that means good though. So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. There are others. Many others. I was surprised to find this list of road songs on the official US Federal Highway Administration web site. That may help to define the scope of the interest (problem) for our friends who don't see the attraction of highway shields. Even the humorless official bodies in North America like a good road song. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/roadsong.cfm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk FYI, as a Brit, naff = Something that is poorly thought out, doesn’t really work, or is otherwise not very good. (Apologies to Wikipedia) -- Richard. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Why did you leave out the Violations and Enforcement section of that page altogether? Because no such section exists in Ubuntu's CoC as fas as I know. And to me, a code of conduct is not about rules as it is more about a central vision of how the project sees itself. Please not again some voodoo-magic circle that decides what is best for us Do you have some suggestion? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Okay folks, we've talked about a Code of Conduct for a long time. Here's my proposal for one. Hmm, there's something about it that doesn't work. It seems very much geared towards certain software development efforts where problems are caused by individuals taking big decisions that affect everyone, without enough consultation. Do we have that problem here? Here, the kinds of problems I see are ones where a hundreds or thousands of tiny decisions are being taken without good coordination. Or where people are trying to debate an issue to achieve resolution, but the debate is ineffective for various reasons. Also, what's the scope - are we talking about a code of conduct for the mailing lists? for contributors to the database? for contributors to the wider OSM universe? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. You, too, are another example of someone using a fake name and occasionally trolling, Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 3:13 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2010 19:08, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: initiatives mentioned before. However, I think we should keep it plain and simple and remove some caustic behavior that seems to be returning to the list after a hiatus. Collaboration and consideration Most of the caustic behaviour I've seen lately is from SteveC... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmmm, you obviously did not read the Violations_and_Enforcement section of the wiki page :-( My mistake. Yeah, it's not well worded. It has a top-down heavy-handed feel to it: Be good. Or bad things will happen to you. Meanwhile: Yes, its very productive to get sooo much good intended advise that I've completely lost interest. Very productive indeed. The idea that the fair imposition of such a code of conduct would be possible in such an environment is a pipe dream. Now, as this is talk, we can talk for the next 12 months about standards, penalties, who is in group a and who is in group b. etc...I'm astonished at the level of cynicism and bitterness here. It's almost as though this thread is an opportunity for everyone to vent their spleen over every wrong they've suffered. Is it really that bad? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On 16 October 2010 15:33, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Also, what's the scope - are we talking about a code of conduct for the mailing lists? for contributors to the database? for contributors to the wider OSM universe? This is a very good point. It is hard to see how a CoC could ever work on these lists which are completely separate from the accounts we use to contribute to the project itself. Anyone who really wanted to disrupt the lists could easily do so regardless of any rules used. Anybody who doesn't like readiing postings by Anthony or SteveC should just filter them. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On 17 October 2010 00:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. What specifically has any of that to do with OSM? You, too, are another example of someone using a fake name and occasionally trolling, I wish you'd really stick to questions posed to you, instead all you come off as doing is complaining about the conduct of others and not addressing the questions posed to you. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. What specifically has any of that to do with OSM? Because he's doing the same thing here. You, too, are another example of someone using a fake name and occasionally trolling, I wish you'd really stick to questions posed to you, instead all you come off as doing is complaining about the conduct of others and not addressing the questions posed to you. I wish i had a pony. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: On 16 October 2010 15:33, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Also, what's the scope - are we talking about a code of conduct for the mailing lists? for contributors to the database? for contributors to the wider OSM universe? My hope is that a CoC would be generally accepted project wide and then applied appropriately in each area in a way that's appropriate. For example, you could moderate someone on a mailing list, where you can't moderate someone on the OSM DB itself. The decisions of implementation can come later. This is a very good point. It is hard to see how a CoC could ever work on these lists which are completely separate from the accounts we use to contribute to the project itself. Anyone who really wanted to disrupt the lists could easily do so regardless of any rules used. That's really a technical issue: synchronizing accounts. Let's not get caught up in implementation details. Anybody who doesn't like readiing postings by ... just filter them. The problem with disruptive people goes beyond the individual reading the post. If I'm a newcommer to the project and I see widespread dissent, untruthes, personal attacks, etc. this will turn me off. Even if I'm not a newcommer, am I to now take this task on of filtering every person? The mailing lists aren't public in the sense of free speech. Anyone is allowed to say what they want using their own soapbox, but this is a communal space and as such, has communal rules. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Well that's kind of hilarious given you cut out the first half of my email where I exactly answered your question Duane. Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On 17 October 2010 01:16, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Well that's kind of hilarious given you cut out the first half of my email where I exactly answered your question Duane. What ever you say Mark, but then again I've come to expect side stepping from you, making any claim you wish without a shred of proof. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward. I, and probably a lot of others, would rather a whole lot of people stopped posting to these lists. If someone posts a question or discussion point to the list we don't want to see a dozen trolls and a flame war attached. It happens. Without fail. Every single post. The people trolling, you know who you are. The people getting personal, you know who you are. Please, please stop it while there are still one or two people worth talking to left subscribed to the list. Oh, and ending this pointless little back and forth would be a good start. So +1 to Code of Conduct, although I think it's too late because too many people have already made the easiest filter configuration possible and unsubscribed. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
Fair point Dave. I'm joining you guys and filtering from now on. :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward. I, and probably a lot of others, would rather a whole lot of people stopped posting to these lists. If someone posts a question or discussion point to the list we don't want to see a dozen trolls and a flame war attached. It happens. Without fail. Every single post. The people trolling, you know who you are. The people getting personal, you know who you are. Please, please stop it while there are still one or two people worth talking to left subscribed to the list. Oh, and ending this pointless little back and forth would be a good start. So +1 to Code of Conduct, although I think it's too late because too many people have already made the easiest filter configuration possible and unsubscribed. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
On 16 October 2010 16:01, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: That's really a technical issue: synchronizing accounts. Let's not get caught up in implementation details. Anybody who doesn't like readiing postings by ... just filter them. The problem with disruptive people goes beyond the individual reading the post. If I'm a newcommer to the project and I see widespread dissent, untruthes, personal attacks, etc. this will turn me off. Even if I'm not a newcommer, am I to now take this task on of filtering every person? The mailing lists aren't public in the sense of free speech. Anyone is allowed to say what they want using their own soapbox, but this is a communal space and as such, has communal rules. So where else would people express their opinions if not on these lists? If there is widespread dissent on a subject it surely means that there is a problem that needs to be resolved not just papered over. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Saturday 16 October 2010 17:40:36 SteveC wrote: :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net /dev/null ... is much more fun. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Winter is the season in which people try to keep the house as warm as it was in the summer, when they complained about the heat. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Saturday 16 October 2010 17:40:36 SteveC wrote: :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net /dev/null ... is much more fun. another fair point! Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft
Am 16.10.2010 16:04, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Please not again some voodoo-magic circle that decides what is best for us Do you have some suggestion? Yes, don't do such things ;-) Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote: Hmm... there will be a concentration of points near drivers' homes... but then again, also near every place they stop as well. Is this something to worry about? If you felt protective about it, you could make a list of polygons surrounding each driver's house and extending a short ways away, and use gpsbabel to drop all points within those polygons. I do that for my own gps traces I upload. - Alan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
Great and constructive suggestions Jonas! On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de wrote: Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM. But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large margin, that which would be required to attract people to the project. And still people whine about our lack of vision! Nonsense Frederic, Justin makes a number of very valid points that make the impression on the average visitor, that show we are a unstructured community in some ways. And no-one is whining, we are trying to make a better OSM, and the mapnik map is in most of the cass the first impression the user gets. We have voluntarily choosen to use the MAP(NIK) as 80% of our frontpage. There are no statements about that are just in for data quality. That is the first (and too often) the last impression a visitor gets. I'm not sure how much we have chosen to have a big map on the front page. It has been this way for years and hasn't change while the project itself has changed and involved in a lot of ways. Why don't we display more info about our project on the front page but instead let the user more or less guess what we are about (by showing them a map and a search box that looks a little bit like yet another Google Maps clone and a small text description + a few links.) Why don't we show them different map styles to choose from. We can force them to choose a map style and they will learn that OSM has more than one map (and maybe they also understand that OSM data can be used to produce different maps, but it's a start anyway). Or do you really think that this little plus over there is discovered by anyone visiting osm.org for the first time? Why don't we show them upfront that we already have thousands of contributors mapping right now (think of something like those maps showing edits live) and make information about how this mapping is done available with just one click? Why don't we show them that OSM contributors meet up in local groups to have fun? Why don't we show them the different ways OSM data can be used - OSM data on mobile devices like smartphones and outdoor GPS devices, routing based on OSM, mashups with OSM basemaps... Why shouldn't we educate the visitors and make them learn what OSM truly is. As long as we can agree, that OSM is more than a small text description on the side and a big map, we can do a much better job showing the diversity and richness of OSM and giving the visitors reasons why they should want to contribute to this awesome project. And of course, I know that this needs someone to write the code for it and write the text and pick some images. But I think that making osm.org look even more similar to Google Maps and the like is the wrong way [1]. Also, please don't tell me that we can't put all this information on the front page, we can. Web pages can be longer than 600px because there is scrolling. Web pages can contain elements that move like a slideshow. They can contain small videos and images. We might even have all this information available in our wiki already, but why shouldn't we display it upfront on osm.org? -Jonas [1] We can still do this and make it available as maps.osm.org for example and put a pretty big link on osm.org But it shouldn't be the main element on osm.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. 1) You've done much more than that, publicly insulting many people other than myself. 2) Even if your claims about me were true, attacking me on the mailing list is not an appropriate way to deal with it. 3) Your claims aren't true. 4) I've invited you to talk about these things with you privately, and you responded by posting my private message to the message board. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:40:36 -0600 SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Fair point Dave. I'm joining you guys and filtering from now on. :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ This is why I find this project extremely frustrating. There is a childish person on this list who doesn't answer questions, defames other people and unfortunately has a prominent position in a sister organisation. I don't think that a code of conduct would deal with this person, because it is going to be a very brave sysadmin to apply the ban. That's why I mentioned the full set of steps involved in setting and applying standards, most importantly the need for a second person or group to approve actions taken so that they are not taken in the heat of the moment. Then someone who banned the /important/ person would not be the target of baiting as the three people above are. I'm sorry that I have to say this about this project, but the governance of the project has been poor. Now it is too big to survive on poor governance. OSMF has tried at this stage to assume the governance of OSM, and apply firm policies to the project. None of these will deal with the underlying problem. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On 10/16/2010 08:46 AM, Richard Weait wrote: So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently inconsistent in their continued existence, and frequently their historic posted alignments. For example, OK-66 goes through Kellyville, though the old US-66 alignment now runs abandoned and without pavement through the property I'm on... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently inconsistent in their continued existence, and frequently their historic posted alignments. For example, OK-66 goes through Kellyville, though the old US-66 alignment now runs abandoned and without pavement through the property I'm on... Since Historic US 66 is (I believe) posted in every state, yes, it should have relations. These relations shouldn't include abandoned roads that aren't marked as part of the historic route, however. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ongoing bulk uploads of GPS traces?
Or, if there are clear working hours, ditch anything before 9am or after 6pm, or whatever. Steve On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Alan Millar amillar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote: Hmm... there will be a concentration of points near drivers' homes... but then again, also near every place they stop as well. Is this something to worry about? If you felt protective about it, you could make a list of polygons surrounding each driver's house and extending a short ways away, and use gpsbabel to drop all points within those polygons. I do that for my own gps traces I upload. - Alan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Coming Soon: Mapping Party Putten
Hoi Mede-Mappers, Na de succesvolle Mapping Party in Utrecht was het al aangekondigd: Mapping Party Putten. Voor de Mappers van het eerste uur en voor Mappers van een wat later tijdstip ligt er bij ons een uitdaging. Bijsteren (http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=16lat=52.25949lon=5.58088layers=B00) is een nieuwe wijk en staat nog niet op de OSM kaart. Doordat alles, behalve de basis wegen, nog getagt moet worden, is het de unieke gelegenheid om de nodige vaardigheden te leren of aan te scherpen. De moderne wijk zal weer voor de nodige hoofdbrekens zorgen. Hoe taggen we dit nu weer ?. Laat hier weten dat je komt.(http://www.doodle.com/bh7suw97p6r5uqqf) We zien jullie graag volgende week in Putten. Martijn en Robert (MFabriek en ZMWandelaar) ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Coming Soon: Mapping Party Putten
Hallo, Ik zie op het forum een verzameladres. Dat is neem ik aan een woonhuis, dus daar zal niet de hele dag iemand aanwezig zijn neem ik aan? Ik moet uit de kop van Noord-Holland komen, is er nog iemand die die kant op gaat en me misschien een deel van de 2:40 reistijd met de trein kan besparen? :) Groet, Floris rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Hoi Mede-Mappers, Na de succesvolle Mapping Party in Utrecht was het al aangekondigd: Mapping Party Putten. Voor de Mappers van het eerste uur en voor Mappers van een wat later tijdstip ligt er bij ons een uitdaging. Bijsteren (http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=16lat=52.25949lon=5.58088layers=B00) is een nieuwe wijk en staat nog niet op de OSM kaart. Doordat alles, behalve de basis wegen, nog getagt moet worden, is het de unieke gelegenheid om de nodige vaardigheden te leren of aan te scherpen. De moderne wijk zal weer voor de nodige hoofdbrekens zorgen. Hoe taggen we dit nu weer ?. Laat hier weten dat je komt.(http://www.doodle.com/bh7suw97p6r5uqqf) We zien jullie graag volgende week in Putten. Martijn en Robert (MFabriek en ZMWandelaar) ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-de] Sportvereine
Am 16.10.2010 07:41, schrieb Bernd Wurst: IMHO auf jeden Fall mit e.V.. Bei OSM gilt, den ausführlichsten Namen zu erfassen, denn Kürzen kann ein Algorithmus. e.V. als Abkürzung würde ich dabei dennoch stehen lassen, da es (genau wie GmbH) eine offizielle Schreibweise der Rechtsform ist. Ich würde bei sowas auch e.V. anfügen - nicht weil es die offizielle Schreibweise ist (die kann man bei Bedarf auch in official_name eintragen), sondern weil es klarer macht worum es geht. Deine generellen Aussagen sind mir aber etwas zu allgemein geraten. Der ausführlichste Name wäre xy eingetragener Verein, und das will wirklich keiner auf der Karte lesen ;-) Außerdem ist die Aussage das kann ein Algorithmus kürzen so generell ziemlich fragwürdig. Die Renderer können unmöglich alle Kürzungsmöglichkeiten in irgendwelchen Namen kennen - oder zumindest wird das noch shr, shr lange dauern bis sie es können. Noch eine Anmerkung zu langen Namen: Ich möchte eigentlich nicht: Spiel- und Turnverein Rot/Gold Alptraumania Leverkusen von 1903 e.V. auf der Karte lesen müssen (solange es sich um eine allgemeine und keine Turnvereinskarte handelt), und es wird ziemlich schwierig daraus algorithmisch was sinnvolles zu kürzen. Also eher sowas eintragen wie: name=Alptraumania e.V. oder name=Turnverein Alptraumania und zusätzlich: official_name=Spiel- und Turnverein Rot/Gold Alptraumania Leverkusen von 1903 e.V. Gruß, ULFL ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sportvereine
Hallo Stephan Wolff wrote: 4. Sammelvereine mit mehreren Sparten z.B. Dorfverein mit Fußball-, Tennis-, Turn- und Kanuabteilung - Jede Sportanlage mit name=SV Neudorf e.V. und sport=* Mögliche Alternativen: - name=SV Neudorf e.V. - Tennisabteilung - name=SV Neudorf e.V. (Tennisabteilung) Generell sollte im name-Tag der Name auftauchen und keine Beschreibung. Diese ist besser in seperaten Tags aufgehoben. Wenn du der Meinung bis, man könnte es als Mapper missverstehen mit den Zusatztags, dann kann man im note-Tag noch eine Beschreibung hinterlassen. Bei den Abkürzungen finde ich es sinnvoll, wenn man diese nutzt. Bedingung: sie müssen in dem Kontext eineindeutig sein. aighes -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Sportvereine-tp5639928p5641531.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relation runterladen?
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?\nosm version='0.6' enerator='JOSM' moin moin, hier noch ein fast ungebrauchtes g zum einbauen, damit aus dem enerator wieder ein generator wird. ;) lg walter - Wanderer, kommst Du nach Liechtenstein, tritt nicht daneben, tritt voll hinein. - Ingo Insterburg -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Relation-runterladen-tp5597080p5641594.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] lnm: freigegebenes Heft zu GPS, freien Karten und Linux
Hallo Zusammen, das Linux Magazin gibt inzwischen die Hefte die ein Jahr alt sind frei, aktuell ist dies also das Heft 12/2009 mit den Themen Linux and the City. Großer GPS-Wegweiser - freie Karten und Tools für Handys und Netbooks: http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Kostenloses-Lesefutter-Magazin-12-2009-kartografiert-die-Linux-Welt = http://www.linux-magazin.de/Heft-Abo/Ausgaben/2009/12 u.a. lnm: Openstreetmap für die Westentasche: Gute Führung http://www.linux-magazin.de/Heft-Abo/Ausgaben/2009/12/Gute-Fuehrung und vieles mehr :) -- Grüße, Benny gpg 0xFC505AB0 jabber be...@benny.de sip be...@benny.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wasserwerk - wie taggen
HI ! bisher wurde primär von Wasserzapfstellen gesprochen. In unseren Breiten wird die Wasserversorgung zentral geregelt. Weiß einer wie Wasserwerke und die zugehörigen (nicht frei zugänglichen) Brunnen getaggt werden ?? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Projekt des Monats Oktober - Halbzeit
Hi ! sieht gar nicht so schlecht aus nach der halben Zeit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Project_of_the_month/2010/october#Statistik Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel: Liste der bisherigen Zustimmungen veroeffentlicht
Walter Nordmann walter.nordm...@web.de writes: glaub ich nicht, dass er irgendwas erlauben wird. er ist doch vor einigen monaten tiefst-beleidigt und eingeschnappt abgehauen nicht ohne seine daten brutal zu löschen. Das wäre dann vandalismus gewesen und man hätte das mutwillige löschen rückgängig machen müssen. und trotzdem auf platz 2. alle achtung. Vielleicht zählt das löschen ja auch als edit... echt schade um ihn, er hat gute arbeit geleistet. Ich würde das entspannt sehen. Seine bearbeitungen waren wohl stellenweise schon etwas eigenwillig... -- Karl Eichwalder ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserwerk - wie taggen
Am 16.10.2010 18:59, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: HI ! bisher wurde primär von Wasserzapfstellen gesprochen. In unseren Breiten wird die Wasserversorgung zentral geregelt. Weiß einer wie Wasserwerke und die zugehörigen (nicht frei zugänglichen) Brunnen getaggt werden ?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_works Gruß, ULFL P.S: Wäre nicht schlecht, wenn du ab und zu mal selber die Suche verwenden würdest ... ;-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] farmland in DE:MapFeatures
Moin, der Eintrag zu farmland in den http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Map_Features müsste mal berichtigt werden. Ist derzeit als veraltet eingetragen. Ich selber komme mit den Templates nicht zu recht. In den Original-MF sind beide Tags noch gleichberechtigt (farmland: Synonyme for farm) ich denke das sollte man angleichen. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 13 10.10. - 16.10.10
Wir haben soeben die neuste Ausgabe der Wochennotiz veröffentlicht, wie immer mit allen wichtigen und interessanten Neuigkeiten aus dem OSM-Universum: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2010/10/osm-wochennotiz-nr-13/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! -Jonas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] api-download bei semikon-getrennten-values
Am 15. Oktober 2010 13:32 schrieb NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Ein weiteres Argument dagegen. Heute sind diese Fehler offensichtlich. Wenn sie beim Import pauschal ausmultipliziert werden, entstehen mehrere sich überlagernde Objekte, die insgesamt sinnlos sind, das Renderergebnis ist Zufall aber jedes für sich sieht korrekt aus. Den Fehler findet man nur noch unter größten Schwierigkeiten. Um es nochmal klar zu sagen: ich sprach nie davon, das in der Haupt-DB zu machen. Lokal kann es Sinn machen, weil die Werte sonst halt meist komplett untergehen. Dass dabei mehrere Objekte auf demselben Punkt entstehen, ist klar, das Renderergebnis ist aber trotzdem kein Zufall, sondern Ergebnis der Renderregeln (in einem dynamischen Rendering, wo man die POIs ein- und ausblenden kann, ist es z.B. egal, sonst muss man halt die Prioritäten so setzen, wie man es will). Bei der Suche spielt es auch überhaupt keine Rolle, da interessiert nur, ob man was findet oder nicht. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] api-download bei semikon-getrennten-values
Hallo, Am Freitag 15 Oktober 2010 13:32:06 schrieb NopMap: Wenn sie beim Import pauschal ausmultipliziert werden, entstehen mehrere sich überlagernde Objekte, die insgesamt sinnlos sind, das Renderergebnis ist Zufall aber jedes für sich sieht korrekt aus. Den Fehler findet man nur noch unter größten Schwierigkeiten. Ich glaube, man muss hier verschiedene Dinge trennen, die zu häufig in einen Topf geworfen werden und nagel hier mal 7 Thesen an die Listentür ( :-) ) 1. In der real existierenden Welt gibt es Dinge, die nicht nur eine Eigenschaft einer Gruppe haben. Als einfaches Beispiel für Farben mag das Zebra herhalten, als sinnvolle Tags für OSM sehe ich hier den Wirt, der tatsächlich Speisen mehrerer Küchen zubereitet, häufige Beispiele dafür cucina=greek;italian oder greek;turkish; und es gibt Haltestellen, an denen - für den Fahrgast praktisch, für den geplagten OSM-Renderer-Schreiber ärgerlich - mehr als eine Linie des ÖPNV halten. 2. Diese Dinge dürfen für OSM nicht einfach, weil es der Renderer so will, unter den Tisch fallen. Es ist für mich nicht akzeptabel, dass der Mapper sagt, hier gibt es zwar griechische und italienische Gerichte, aber ich esse lieber griechisch, also tagge ich nur greek (oder umgekehrt). 3. Diese Dinge können auf verschiedene Weise verwaltet werden. Beim ÖPNV werden die Linien und ihre Haltestellen in eine Relation gepackt. Das vermeidet das Semikolon an der Haltestelle. Sieht wie eine prima Lösung aus. Leider ergibt sich aber beim Rendern der Haltestelle das gleiche Problem wie bei jedem anderen Modell - die Haltestelle gehört zu mehreren Relationen , zu mehreren Linien, und bei dieser Auswertung tauchen - schwupp - die verschiedenen Liniennummern (Eigenschaften) wieder auf. Damit will ich nicht kritisieren, dass hier Relationen benutzt werden, das ist beim ÖPNV sinnvoll. Ich will nur aufzeigen, dass dadurch die Anhäufung von Eigenschaften nicht verhindert wird, da sie fatalerweise in der Wirklichkeit existiert. Folgerichtig wäre es zwar möglich, auf das Semikolon bei Gaststätten zu verzichten, indem eine Relation aller griechischen, italienischen,... Restaurants erzeugt wird. Bei Auswertung der einzelnen Gaststätte hat der Renderer aber wieder das gleiche Problem - 2 oder noch mehr Relationen, weil der verd. Koch sich einfach nicht auf eine Küche festlegen will. Gewissermaßen kocht er damit OSM-widrig. Leider sind wir noch nicht mächtig genug, um diesem Treiben ein Ende zu setzen ( :-) ) (für den, der Ironie nicht erkennt). Daraus folgt, dass die Relation das Problem nicht löst, sondern versteckt. Mehr noch - sie ruft die Relations-Kritiker auf den Plan, die zwar keine Alternative wie z.B. eine Kollektion anbieten, sich aber jede Sammel-Relation verbieten. Was mach jetzt der verzweifelte Mapper, der die Küche korrekt taggen will, die Relation nicht darf, das Semikolon nicht soll und die doppelte Küche sieht? Macht er 2 Nodes, eine für jede Küche, worauf alle Auswertungen mit 2 Restaurants reagieren? Oder verbindet er die 2 Nodes mit dem Gebäude in einer Site-Relation?. Das wäre ein gangbarer Weg, der aber nichts daran ändert, dass der Renderer vor dem Problem steht, wie er jetzt das darstellen soll. Abgesehen davon, dass dieses Tagging sachlich falsch wäre, schließlich wird nicht in 2 Küchen in einem Gebäude, sondern in einer Küche gekocht. 4. Das Problem liegt in den Scheuklappen vieler Aktiven. Es ist letztlich egal, ob einer der heutigen Renderer eine Sache richtig darstellt. Ich wiederhole es nochmal: Wir taggen nicht für irgendeine Anwendung, sondern ausschließlich die Realität, und zwar so gut, wie es uns zur Zeit möglich ist. Das bedeutet nicht, dass man jetzt unbedingt cucina=kretian taggen muss, wenn der Wirt hauptsächlich Gerichte aus Kreta anbietet. Greek ist auch dafür sachlich richtig (gehört ja dazu) und für alle Anwendungen leichter auswertbar. Kretian ist andererseits aber auch nicht falsch - ein Ermessensfall, in dem ich Sympathie für die Bezeichnung greek hätte (abgesehen davon, dass ich die Unterschiede in verschiedenen griechischen Küchen einfach unterstelle, ohne sie zu kennen). In Bezug auf die deutsche Küche gilt ähnliches: bavarian, bremian, hamburgian, rhinian - Stopp!! Vielleicht für ein Subtag. Der Ausländer wird german taggen und Schweinebraten mit Ködel (und Sauerkraut!!) darunter verstehen. 5. OSM ist eine überholte Bezeichnung. Das Projekt wurde von Steve Cost mal Openstreetmap getauft, weil er sich damals eine offene Straßenkarte vorstellte. Das hätte vermutlich jeder am Anfang so gesehen. Inzwischen ist das Projekt aber mutiert zu einer offenen Geodatensammlung. Es werden viele Dinge gemappt, die kein Renderer darstellt oder kein Renderer darstellen kann. Einkaufszentren in 3D zu mappen ist zur Zeit - betrachtet aus Sicht der Renderer - sinnfrei. Es ist aber nichtsdestotrotz sachlich richtig und wird auch gemacht. 6. Der Lizenzwechsel ist nur die logische Antwort
Re: [Talk-de] Sportvereine
Am 15. Oktober 2010 20:24 schrieb Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de: Sportvereine werden sind in OSM sehr unvollständig und ziemlich unterschiedlich eingetragen, obwohl sie in vielen Dörfern oder Stadtteilen eine der wichtigsten Institutionen sind und häufig als Veranstaltungsorte erscheinen. Wie kann man Sportvereine einheitlich (und somit auswertbar) in OSM eintragen? Was meint ihr? Ich finde, der Verein an sich kommt noch ein bisschen kurz bei Deinen Vorschlägen (ist nur im Namen enthalten). M.E. sollte man für Vereine ein neues Tag entwerfen, wo dann auch andere als Sportvereine damit getaggt werden können, z.B. association (das kann auch andere Rechtsformen von Vereinigungen, vor allem in Ländern ausserhalb Deutschlands, beinhalten, wo es keine Vereine nach dt. Recht gibt). Z.B. association=sport oder gleich spezifischer association=soccer So könnte man dann auch das Büro erfassen: office=association bin mir nicht ganz sicher, ob das eine tolle Idee ist, oder man es doch lieber anders aufzäumen sollte, was meint Ihr? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] api-download bei semikon-getrennten-values
Am 16. Oktober 2010 23:56 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: 7. Es bleibt die Diskussion über das Semikolon. Mich hat die Implementation 5 Minuten und 3 Programmzeilen gekostet. Das ist zugegebenermaßen nicht ganz fair. da die App neu ist. Wer eine bessere Möglichkeit weiß, multiple Eigenschaften in den Daten so abzubilden, dass es für den Mapper einfach anzuwenden ist, melde sich bitte. Aber nicht mit dem üblichen Semikolon - Protest - Geheul, sondern konstruktiv. Damit beziehst Du Dich auf den Entwicklungsteil, was aber allgemein von den anderen Technikern auf den Liste erwähnt wird ist, dass das Parsing dadurch deutlich länger dauern würde. Kommt aber sicher darauf an, ob das überhaupt ne Rolle spielt (Gesamtdauer), oder ob dreimalsolang von 1 Minute dann halt 3 Minuten sind.ohne Ansonsten kann ich Deinen Gedanken weitgehend zustimmen, es ist in der Tat so, dass die Realität sich in absehbarer Zeit nicht nach OSM richten wird, und wir daher Lösungen finden sollten, sie trotzdem abzubilden. Zu den Küchen: es ist halt nicht gesagt, dass deutsch als Haupttag und dann die einzelnen deutschen Lokalen Küchen wirklich die überzeugendste Lösung ist, bzw. dass diese rein geografische Einteilung auch sonstwo am besten funktioniert. Es wäre z.B. genauso denkbar, im Haupttag nach Gegend (Meer, Berge, etc.) zu unterscheiden. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Projekt des Monats Oktober - Halbzeit
jan99 wrote: sieht gar nicht so schlecht aus nach der halben Zeit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Project_of_the_month/2010/october#Statistik ja, wenn klar wäre, was diese statistik bedeuten soll: a) die anzahl getaggter wasserstellen hat etwas zugenommen b) was bedeutet diese - für mich - obskure zahl hinter den werten? c) was ist mit den sachen, die ich immer noch nicht vernünftig eingeben kann? - mineralbrunnen, die von manchen mitstreitern als untrinkbar angesehen werden aber doch wesentlich zur namensgebung vieler orte beigetragen haben? bad schwalbach, bad ems, bad ..., baden-baden, xyz-born, ... - brunnen, die eindeutig da sind, sogar namen haben aber der öffentlichkeit nicht zur nutzung zur verfügung stehen? davon gibt es dutzende im taunus und sonst wo zur trinkwassergewinnung. - wasserstellen, die mit kein trinkwasser gekennzeichnet sind, wo aber die leute schlange stehen und sich den kofferraum mit kanistern zustellen? gerade dafür hatte ich im neuen wiki-chen und auch in dieser diskussion (fast 70 beiträge) etwas mehr substanz erwartet. muss ich mir immer noch in diversen wikis, poposals, forenbeiträgen, gerendertern karten, rohdaten, spezialprogrammen ansehen, wie das gemacht wird oder gibt es da irgend etwas, was die ganze chausse verwendbar zusammenfaßt? sorry, dass ich nerve, aber nach 3 wochen diskussion (sehr interessant die diskussion über die korrekte englische schreibweise - lernt lieber chinesisch) hab ich etwas mehr erwartet. gruss walter - Wanderer, kommst Du nach Liechtenstein, tritt nicht daneben, tritt voll hinein. - Ingo Insterburg -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Projekt-des-Monats-Oktober-Trinkwasser-tp5582848p5643213.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Nel wiki manca questa categoria, e nonostante al momento sia usata pochissimo ritengo sarebbe appropriato includerla. Avete presente il classico tabacchino all'angolo, quello che oltre alle sigarette vende anche pipe e accessori per tabagisti, comprese le schifosissime carammelle per tabagisti? In Italia ce ne saranno chissà quante migliaia... il TAG shop=kiosk non è appropriato per sua stessa definizione in quanto non stiamo parlando di un chiosco, ma di un qualcosa inserito all'interno di un edificio, o magari parte dell'insieme di attività situate all'interno di un centro commerciale. Altro non ho trovato nel wiki, ma magari ho cercato male. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Sono d'accordo, Vedi su tagstat, ci sono varie occorenze del temine, sia come shop=tobacco che come tobacco=yes http://tagstat.hypercube.telascience.org/search.php?query=tobacco 164 occorrenze al 26 agosto non son poche, si dovrebbe anzi uniformare shop=tobacco e shop=tobacconist Più problematico risolvere il tobacco=yes, che sebbene sia usato pochissimo penso utile nei paesi dove la vendita non è vincolata alle licenze come in Italia. Gianfra From: klava...@gmail.com To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:55:16 +0200 Subject: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo? Nel wiki manca questa categoria, e nonostante al momento sia usata pochissimo ritengo sarebbe appropriato includerla. Avete presente il classico tabacchino all'angolo, quello che oltre alle sigarette vende anche pipe e accessori per tabagisti, comprese le schifosissime carammelle per tabagisti? In Italia ce ne saranno chissà quante migliaia... il TAG shop=kiosk non è appropriato per sua stessa definizione in quanto non stiamo parlando di un chiosco, ma di un qualcosa inserito all'interno di un edificio, o magari parte dell'insieme di attività situate all'interno di un centro commerciale. Altro non ho trovato nel wiki, ma magari ho cercato male. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] OSM ad Italiacamp
Il 15 ottobre 2010 15:41, Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Certo, ma impone delle regole su come alcuni dati debbano essere confezionati. Pertanto, sempre in una ottica di liberare bene i dati, direi che e' un qualcosa con cui prima o poi ci si scontra. Concordi? si, soprattutto perché sembra (uso questo termine perché fino che non lo vedo non ci credo) che i dati andranno formattati secondo regole abbastanza rigide! ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 11:01:48, Gianfra g ha scritto: Più problematico risolvere il tobacco=yes, che sebbene sia usato pochissimo penso utile nei paesi dove la vendita non è vincolata alle licenze come in Italia. Basta definirne l'utilizzo: oltre al tabacchino ci sono tantissime altre attività commerciali che seppur secondariamente vendono anche prodotti per tabagisti e la key tobacco=yes è IMHO appropriatissima. Dal momento che la vendita di tabacchi comporta solitamente anche quella di valori bollati pensate che stamp=yes possa andare come key (ci potrebbe pure stare salt=yes anche se non so perchè ma questa mi fa un po' sorridere)? Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mini Introduzione ad OSM
Sono state effettuate diverse correzioni ora dovremmo avere una versione stabile se qualcuno riscontra errori ortografici me lo faccia sapere. ciao Luca [0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/tutorial.pdf [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/book.pdf ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Il 16/10/2010 11:17, alessio ha scritto: In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 11:01:48, Gianfra g ha scritto: Più problematico risolvere il tobacco=yes, che sebbene sia usato pochissimo penso utile nei paesi dove la vendita non è vincolata alle licenze come in Italia. Basta definirne l'utilizzo: oltre al tabacchino ci sono tantissime altre attività commerciali che seppur secondariamente vendono anche prodotti per tabagisti e la key tobacco=yes è IMHO appropriatissima. +1, proprio vicino a casa mia c'è un'edicolante (attività principale) che vende anche tabacchi. Stessa cosa dicasi per un pub che ha la licenza di vendere tabacchi. Ciao Stefano signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Ho aggiunto il tag alle core features, sia nella pagina inglese (qualcuno dia un'occhiata alla definizione che gli ho dato e magari ne corregga la grammatica se opportuno) che in quella italiana. Sulla seconda c'è un problema: nonostante salvi la modifica con la definizione del tag questa continua mantenere quella dell'elemento superiore (Centro tatuaggi). Come mai? Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mini Introduzione ad OSM
2010/10/16 Luca Delucchi: versione stabile se qualcuno riscontra errori ortografici me lo faccia sapere. segnalo qualche errore e un paio di suggerimenti Infatti ` possibile usare i dati OpenStreetMap liberamente per qualsiasi scopo, anche quelli commerciali, con il solo vincolo di citare il progetto e usare la stessa licenza per eventuali dati derivati. mi sembra che la cosa sia più complicata chair lift cabinovia seggiovia (molto utile per i programmi di routing manca la parentesi chiusa identificatico identificativo Per prima cosa dovrai iscriverti attraverso l’homepage; magari ripeti l'indirizzo www.openstreetmap.org perché più nel paragrafo successivo sono citate le home page di JOSM e Merkaator in primis JOSM manca il punto finale poichè poiché nell'esempio di mappatura oltre a parlare del registratore digitale farei un cenno alla possibilità di usare una macchina fotografica digitale evvenuto avvenuto soccoritori soccorritori Esiste anche un sito in italiano che in questo momento ` in fase di sviluppo http://www.openstreetmap.it; attualmente l’unica parte attiva ` il blog blog.openstreetmap.it. da pochi giorni www.openstreetmap.it fa il redirect a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Italia non so se e come dirlo le mappe di google Google con l'iniziale maiuscola (anche in un altro posto) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Lampedusa e Linosa tagliate fuori da italy.osm [Risolto]
Salve a tutti, Per risolvere il problema dell'assenza del comune di Lampedusa e Linosa da italy.osm ho mandato una mail a Frederik Ramm di geofabrik come suggeritomi da Simone ed il problema è già stato risolto dal gentile e velocissimo Frederik, riporto di seguito la mail: Hi, Davide Governale wrote: I'm an Italian mapper and I have noticed that the italy.osm which you provide does not include the town of Lampedusa and Linosa; here's the link to find it on the map http://www.openstreetmap.org/? lat=35.634lon=12.472zoom=10layers=M of course the town of Lampedusa and Linosa is part of Italy. Let me know I've fixed it. Thank you. Bye Frederik Saluti, Davide Governale. -- /home/magellanino/public-key-file ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Un link ? Il giorno 16 ottobre 2010 11:59, alessio klava...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ho aggiunto il tag alle core features, sia nella pagina inglese (qualcuno dia un'occhiata alla definizione che gli ho dato e magari ne corregga la grammatica se opportuno) che in quella italiana. Sulla seconda c'è un problema: nonostante salvi la modifica con la definizione del tag questa continua mantenere quella dell'elemento superiore (Centro tatuaggi). Come mai? Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:18:54, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: Un link ? Giusto. :-) Inglese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:shop Italiano: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:It:Map_Features:shop Sto creando anche una pagina in italiano che descriva il tag e le keys utili che lo potrebbero accompagnare. Appeno ho un link ve lo comunico. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
Risolto, avevi fatto un errore nel Map_Features inglese, quando avevi copiato dalla sezione precedente (tatoo appunto) non avevi cambiato tattoo:desc e quindi per la tabella italiana andava a prendere comunque la descrizione di quella di tattoo Il giorno 16 ottobre 2010 12:24, alessio klava...@gmail.com ha scritto: In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:18:54, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: Un link ? Giusto. :-) Inglese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:shop Italiano: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:It:Map_Features:shop Sto creando anche una pagina in italiano che descriva il tag e le keys utili che lo potrebbero accompagnare. Appeno ho un link ve lo comunico. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:40:32, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: : Risolto, avevi fatto un errore nel Map_Features inglese, quando avevi copiato dalla sezione precedente (tatoo appunto) non avevi cambiato tattoo:desc e quindi per la tabella italiana andava a prendere comunque la descrizione di quella di tattoo Che sbadato! _ Grazie. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In ogni caso prima di fare salva sulla Wiki, fai anteprima così vedi se va tutto bene! adesso ci sono 3 modifiche tue consecutive per niente ;-) ciao Stefano Il giorno 16 ottobre 2010 12:49, alessio klava...@gmail.com ha scritto: In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:40:32, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: : Risolto, avevi fatto un errore nel Map_Features inglese, quando avevi copiato dalla sezione precedente (tatoo appunto) non avevi cambiato tattoo:desc e quindi per la tabella italiana andava a prendere comunque la descrizione di quella di tattoo Che sbadato! _ Grazie. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:50:47, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: : In ogni caso prima di fare salva sulla Wiki, fai anteprima così vedi se va tutto bene! adesso ci sono 3 modifiche tue consecutive per niente ;-) C'hai ragione: sono ancora piuttosto newbie della wikia. Intanto ho preparato una bozza per la pagina in italiano.[¹] Ditemi che ne pensate. Ciao Alessio [¹] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Al3xius/Sandbox/tobacco ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] OSM ad Italiacamp
Messaggio originale Da: napoo...@gmail.com Data: 15/10/2010 15.41 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] OSM ad Italiacamp Immagino poi che sarai già pronto anche ad intervenire sulla direttiva INSPIRE http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ anche se con la liberazione dei dati non sembra essere la via definitiva (è solo suggerito di liberare i dati) Certo, ma impone delle regole su come alcuni dati debbano essere confezionati. Pertanto, sempre in una ottica di liberare bene i dati, direi che e' un qualcosa con cui prima o poi ci si scontra. Concordi? ___ C'è qualcuno che abbia provato ad implementarla in pratica? Ho navigato il sito di Inspire, ho aperto ed iniziato a leggere alcuni documenti ma ho lasciato perdere causa troppo burocratichese (magari non ho mai trovato il documento giusto). Alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of alessio Sent: 16 October 2010 12:25 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo? In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 12:18:54, Stefano Tampieri ha scritto: Un link ? Sto creando anche una pagina in italiano che descriva il tag e le keys utili che lo potrebbero accompagnare. Appeno ho un link ve lo comunico. Forse varrebbe la pena di modificare anche la pagina della proposta già esistente, così si coinvolge anche la comunità non italiana: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tobacco Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of alessio Sent: 16 October 2010 13:01 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo? Intanto ho preparato una bozza per la pagina in italiano.[¹] Ditemi che ne pensate. Aggiungerei di usare la chiave tobacco=yes per i negozi la cui attività principale non è la vendita di articoli per fumatori (es. i bar). Anche per i chioschi shop=kiosk + tobacco=yes. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of alessio Sent: 16 October 2010 13:01 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo? Intanto ho preparato una bozza per la pagina in italiano.[¹] Ditemi che ne pensate. Al posto di gambling=yes, si potrebbe rimandare a questa proposta [1], in modo da usare gli stessi valori (sezione Suggestion 2) che verrebbero usati anche da altri tipi di negozi. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling Ciao, alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
In data sabato 16 ottobre 2010 15:00:33, Alberto Nogaro ha scritto: Al posto di gambling=yes, si potrebbe rimandare a questa proposta [1], in modo da usare gli stessi valori (sezione Suggestion 2) che verrebbero usati anche da altri tipi di negozi. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling Giusto, permette l'inserimento di informazioni più precise. Fatto. Aggiungerei di usare la chiave tobacco=yes per i negozi la cui attività principale non è la vendita di articoli per fumatori (es. i bar). Anche per i chioschi shop=kiosk + tobacco=yes. Fatto anche questo. L'ho ripetuto due volte, sia nello specifico per il riferimento al kiosk che in una sottocategoia. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag shop=tobacco. L'accendiamo?
2010/10/16 Gianfra g gianfrancoglio...@hotmail.com: Sono d'accordo, Vedi su tagstat, ci sono varie occorenze del temine, sia come shop=tobacco che come tobacco=yes http://tagstat.hypercube.telascience.org/search.php?query=tobacco 164 occorrenze al 26 agosto non son poche, si dovrebbe anzi uniformare shop=tobacco e shop=tobacconist Più problematico risolvere il tobacco=yes, che sebbene sia usato pochissimo penso utile nei paesi dove la vendita non è vincolata alle licenze come in Italia. anche in Italia serve il tobacco=yes secondome, per i bar/ristoranti (conosco a dirittura una pasticceria) che vendono anche tabacco. Che dite di un altro tag shop=salt per chi vende sale ;-)? Scusate la ultima battuta. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] ¿Restricción de giro correcta?
El 15/10/2010 8:32, bv2mu...@uco.es escribió: He establecido una restricción de giro [1]. Resulta que cuando he ido a crearla con el plugin de JOSM me ha dicho que había un error porque el nodo de intersección entre las vías (un semáforo) no era vía, y que si quería convertirla. Así lo he hecho, pero, ¿es correcto? De no serlo, ¿cómo tendría que haberlo hecho? Saludos. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1225781 La relación está mal, ahí no hay una obligación de girar a la derecha, viniendo de Dr Azpitarte puedes perfectamente bordear la marquesina y seguir de frente en dirección Dr Guirao Gea, incluso hay una señal que indica por donde debes bordear la marquesina. Saludos, Manuel. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Pagina web Española
Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.comescribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió: A mi me parece que los vídeos están bien. Me quedaría con el primero, personalmente Creo que sería bueno evitar tanto movimiento en la pantalla, pero vamos, esto es una pijada Entonces del tema de JOSM, habría dos o tres vídeos por cada plataforma?: 1. descarga del programa 2. Instalación 3. Configuración Es así? Luego habría otros de cómo usar JOSM, pero estos ya serían igual para todas las plataformas, entiendo.. He subido el vídeo 1 a VIMEO para que veáis como queda [1]: Si finalmente se decide meter también en VIMEO, podemos hacer una álbum dentro de nuestra cuenta, no hay problema. Lo mismo para YOUTUBE. Lo digo porque así todos los que vean los otros vídeos de los cursos nuestros verán estos de OSM He añadido además una columna de TAGS en la wiki a meter por cada vídeo, para que la rellene el propio autor, que será lo mejor [1] http://vimeo.com/15870674 Saludos jimena -Mensaje original- De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre de Alvaro Lara Cano Enviado el: viernes, 15 de octubre de 2010 14:01 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Pagina web Española Gracias sanchi, ya me he puesto el apodo. Creo que debemos de dar especial importancia al primer vídeo, al introductorio, porque si éste consigue captar la atención de quién lo vea, conseguiremos más gente. Habria que tratar temas como: 'con estos datos va a poder navegar con GPS gratis, y de por vida'. no así dicho, pero intentar transmitirle que lo que estamos haciendo es muy importante para la sociedad y para él mismo. Sería interesante hacerlo con alguien grabado en vídeo en primera persona. Por otra parte yo me podría ocupar de editar los vídeos para intentar estandarizarlos todos, y no que cada uno parezca de una madre. Y los que intentéis hacer los screencast o videotutoriales como yo, hacedlo por partes: primero instalación, luego configuración...etc, luego al editar, ya se unen. Así es más fácil creo yo. Saludos. El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 13:24 +0200, sanchi escribió: Yo me apunto hacer la instalación en windows de JOSM configuración y esas cosas. A ver que sale que no me fió de mi voz. jejejej. Este finde mirare hacer ya algo. He actualizado en la wiki que esta haciendo la instalación de linux Alvaro y que yo hago el de windows. Alvaro te he puesto el nombre si quieres poner el apodo o de otra manera cámbialo. El 15 de octubre de 2010 12:19, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com escribió: Bueno, yo acabo de hacer la primera prueba en Ubuntu, no se que os parecerá, pero aquí os dejo los enlaces a Megaupload:
Re: [Talk-es] Pagina web Española
El segundo enlace yo no lo he podido visualizar dice que el enlace esta inaccesible, solo me deja descargar el primero, y por lo que he visto, está muy bien. Yo ayer estuve acabando con mis videos, los edite y los he subido a youtube, pero...menuda chapuza. están en formato panorámico, pero al exportarlos se visualizan en 4:3, y en youtube están en 4:3 por lo que se ve horroroso. además mi micrófono es malísimo y el audio deja mucho que desear... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046wzd6OoIo quiero que veais el logo, los titulos, y la musica de fondo. a esto me referia con estandarizarlo todo. Opiniones por favor :-). El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 21:54 +0200, sanchi escribió: Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com escribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió: A mi me parece que los vídeos están bien. Me quedaría con el primero, personalmente Creo que sería bueno evitar tanto movimiento en la pantalla, pero vamos, esto es una pijada Entonces del tema de JOSM, habría dos o tres vídeos por cada plataforma?: 1. descarga del programa 2. Instalación 3. Configuración Es así? Luego habría otros de cómo usar JOSM, pero estos ya serían igual para todas las plataformas, entiendo.. He subido el vídeo 1 a VIMEO para que veáis como queda [1]: Si finalmente se decide meter también en VIMEO, podemos hacer una álbum dentro de nuestra cuenta, no hay problema. Lo mismo para YOUTUBE. Lo digo porque así todos los que vean los otros vídeos de los cursos nuestros verán estos de OSM He añadido además una columna de TAGS en la wiki a meter por cada vídeo, para que la rellene el propio autor, que será lo mejor
Re: [Talk-es] Pagina web Española
Ya he visto los vídeos Sanchi, yo me quedo con el segundo, simplemente porque se ven de una manera mas clara las urls y donde haces click en la web de JOSM. Una cosa... ¿habría que explicar cómo instalar JAVA? porque en GNU/Linux, las dependencias se resuelven solas, pero en Window$ no... El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 21:54 +0200, sanchi escribió: Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com escribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió: A mi me parece que los vídeos están bien. Me quedaría con el primero, personalmente Creo que sería bueno evitar tanto movimiento en la pantalla, pero vamos, esto es una pijada Entonces del tema de JOSM, habría dos o tres vídeos por cada plataforma?: 1. descarga del programa 2. Instalación 3. Configuración Es así? Luego habría otros de cómo usar JOSM, pero estos ya serían igual para todas las plataformas, entiendo.. He subido el vídeo 1 a VIMEO para que veáis como queda [1]: Si finalmente se decide meter también en VIMEO, podemos hacer una álbum dentro de nuestra cuenta, no hay problema. Lo mismo para YOUTUBE. Lo digo porque así todos los que vean los otros vídeos de los cursos nuestros verán estos de OSM He añadido además una columna de TAGS en la wiki a meter por cada vídeo, para que la rellene el propio autor, que será lo mejor [1] http://vimeo.com/15870674 Saludos jimena -Mensaje original- De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre
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Entre otras cosas por eso lo grabe de nuevo en esa resolución. Pues lo del Java no me he dado cuenta porque como siempre lo tengo instalado no me hizo falta pero tienes razón. Ahora lo miro a ver a ponerlo en el vídeo. Esta muy bien el vídeo. Hasta he aprendido otra forma de usar las capas WMS.jejeje Es lo suyo que se pongan todos los vídeos de la misma forma y la música iconos letra de textos... me parece correcta. Seria grabarlos y luego pasártelos para que pongas esas cosas y ya esta. El 16 de octubre de 2010 23:13, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.comescribió: Ya he visto los vídeos Sanchi, yo me quedo con el segundo, simplemente porque se ven de una manera mas clara las urls y donde haces click en la web de JOSM. Una cosa... ¿habría que explicar cómo instalar JAVA? porque en GNU/Linux, las dependencias se resuelven solas, pero en Window$ no... El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 21:54 +0200, sanchi escribió: Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com escribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió: A mi me parece que los vídeos están bien. Me quedaría con el primero, personalmente Creo que sería bueno evitar tanto movimiento en la pantalla, pero vamos, esto es una pijada Entonces del tema de JOSM, habría dos o tres vídeos por cada plataforma?: 1. descarga del programa 2. Instalación 3. Configuración Es así? Luego habría otros de cómo usar JOSM, pero estos ya serían igual para todas las plataformas, entiendo.. He subido el vídeo 1 a VIMEO para que veáis como queda [1]: Si finalmente se decide meter también en VIMEO, podemos hacer una álbum dentro de nuestra cuenta, no hay problema. Lo mismo para YOUTUBE. Lo digo porque así todos los que vean los otros vídeos de los cursos nuestros verán estos de OSM He añadido además una columna de TAGS en la wiki a meter por cada vídeo,
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Si se abre el JOSM y no esta el Java instalado avisa y sale para instalarlo así que voy a grabar un vídeo donde salga El 16 de octubre de 2010 23:23, sanchi sanc...@gmail.com escribió: Entre otras cosas por eso lo grabe de nuevo en esa resolución. Pues lo del Java no me he dado cuenta porque como siempre lo tengo instalado no me hizo falta pero tienes razón. Ahora lo miro a ver a ponerlo en el vídeo. Esta muy bien el vídeo. Hasta he aprendido otra forma de usar las capas WMS.jejeje Es lo suyo que se pongan todos los vídeos de la misma forma y la música iconos letra de textos... me parece correcta. Seria grabarlos y luego pasártelos para que pongas esas cosas y ya esta. El 16 de octubre de 2010 23:13, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.comescribió: Ya he visto los vídeos Sanchi, yo me quedo con el segundo, simplemente porque se ven de una manera mas clara las urls y donde haces click en la web de JOSM. Una cosa... ¿habría que explicar cómo instalar JAVA? porque en GNU/Linux, las dependencias se resuelven solas, pero en Window$ no... El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 21:54 +0200, sanchi escribió: Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com escribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió: A mi me parece que los vídeos están bien. Me quedaría con el primero, personalmente Creo que sería bueno evitar tanto movimiento en la pantalla, pero vamos, esto es una pijada Entonces del tema de JOSM, habría dos o tres vídeos por cada plataforma?: 1. descarga del programa 2. Instalación 3. Configuración Es así? Luego habría otros de cómo usar JOSM, pero estos ya serían igual para todas las plataformas, entiendo.. He subido el vídeo 1 a VIMEO para que veáis como queda [1]: Si finalmente se decide meter también en VIMEO, podemos hacer una álbum dentro de nuestra cuenta, no hay problema. Lo mismo para YOUTUBE. Lo digo porque así todos los que vean los otros vídeos de los
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Antes de que te pongas a grabar otro vídeo sobre java, otra idea seria separarlo. Asi como yo en mi vídeo he separado la interfaz gráfica de la linea de comandos, tu podrías hacer otro suelto sobre como instalar java. y luego al editarlo, se ponen títulos, y listo. Creo que quedaría mejor. El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 23:23 +0200, sanchi escribió: Entre otras cosas por eso lo grabe de nuevo en esa resolución. Pues lo del Java no me he dado cuenta porque como siempre lo tengo instalado no me hizo falta pero tienes razón. Ahora lo miro a ver a ponerlo en el vídeo. Esta muy bien el vídeo. Hasta he aprendido otra forma de usar las capas WMS.jejeje Es lo suyo que se pongan todos los vídeos de la misma forma y la música iconos letra de textos... me parece correcta. Seria grabarlos y luego pasártelos para que pongas esas cosas y ya esta. Si, esa es la idea, dejarlos todos con el mismo estilo. estandarizarlos. El 16 de octubre de 2010 23:13, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com escribió: Ya he visto los vídeos Sanchi, yo me quedo con el segundo, simplemente porque se ven de una manera mas clara las urls y donde haces click en la web de JOSM. Una cosa... ¿habría que explicar cómo instalar JAVA? porque en GNU/Linux, las dependencias se resuelven solas, pero en Window$ no... El sáb, 16-10-2010 a las 21:54 +0200, sanchi escribió: Hola Hecho una primera prueba. Aquí tenéis los 2 vídeos que han salido. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSNZ56NW http://www.megaupload.com/?d=915QAANM Está realizada la grabación con 2 resoluciones diferente. La primera a 1920*1080 y después pasada a 1280*720 y la segunda directamente en 1280*720. Tengo una pantalla grande y suelo trabajar en alta resolución y me di cuenta después del primer vídeo de cambiarla. Tengo un pequeño problema que no se si alguien sabrá como solucionar. Cuando abro el archivo aunque en el vio no sale no lo captura el programa me sale el típico mensaje de si doy permiso abrir el archivo y no digo nada en el vídeo porque no se ve en el mismo. No se si decir algo aunque no se vea o que. Decirme que os parece. El 15 de octubre de 2010 15:41, Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com escribió: Si nadie más se apunta, yo podría hacer el video para Mac. Eso sí, tendrán que soportar esta hermoSa voS latina ;P. Igual, como dicen, el audio se podría editar luego. saludos daniel -- Daniel Orellana V. Lab. of Geo-Information Science and Remote Sensing Wageningen University, Wageningen The Netherlands http://www.grs.wur.nl/UK Room C216, Gaia, Building 101, Bode 37 Tel.: +31 (0) 317 482092 2010/10/15 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com Supongo que se podrán eliminar los vídeos en Vimeo ¿no? Comento ésto porque a mi el primer vídeo no me gusta porque salen dos errores en la grabación. (los dos en la parte superior del panel), son pedazos de ventana que se han quedado ahí. Y segundo porque una vez que se empieza a instalar el paquete, en el segundo vídeo aparece la instalación, y en el primero no. También voy a hacer una segunda parte con la instalación mediante el terminal. Una última pregunta: ¿la configuración que es? yo queria meter el WMSPLUGIN e introducir el usuario y la contraseña. Los de como usar JOSM, se pueden hacer independientemente de la plataforma: relaciones, multipoligono...etc. ¿alguien usa mac y quiere hacer el tutorial para esa paltaforma? El vie, 15-10-2010 a las 14:25 +0200, Jimena escribió:
