Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Lester Caine]

On 18/01/16 13:13, Dave F. wrote:
> On 18/01/2016 13:00, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:
>>> I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:
>>>
>>> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools
>> Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
>> the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
>> add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
>> later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
>> it's just a couple more clicks to copy.
> 
> I've notice a couple in my area with slightly incorrect addresses. (I
> find it irritating that businesses appear obsessed with changing them,
> especially sub pages). Either use a validator, such as Keep Right to
> check after adding them all or if you have the time, do a web search to
> ensure the current URL.

Some of the schools I've just edited are more accurate than the edubase
data ;) Seems since schools 'change ownership' a lot more often than one
would think, the official directory can't keep up :)

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Re: [Talk-at] Mentz Aktivitaeten in AT

[Christian Aigner]

Am 18.01.2016 um 13:11 schrieb Jens Steinhauser:

> [...] ganz, ganz tolles Indoor-Fussgaenger-Routing geben wird, und
> falschen/duplizierten POIs (siehe New Yorker Beispiel oben).
> 
> lg,
> Jens
> 
> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.at/6648

Wozu Indoor-Mapping überhaupt, wenn es eh in jedem Einkaufszentrum einen
Lageplan an jedem Eingang gibt, der zeigt, wo welches Geschäft zu finden
ist.

Meine ganz persönliche Meinung: Indoor-Mapping hat auf der OpenStreetMap
nichts verloren.

Ich bin für einen Revert.

LG,
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] confini amministrativi comunali OSM - Istat

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Qualcuno ha voglia di scrivere per chiedere autorizazzione esplicita e
scritta (ci deve essere scritto che secondo loro il requisito
dell'attribuzione è soddisfatto se gli inseriamo in questo elenco qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors ), per poter utilizzare i
dati? Altrimenti non possiamo usarli.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Requested reversions

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2016-01-18 at 11:33 +, Kevin Flynn wrote:
> I would be very much obliged if someone who knows how could revert
> all of the changes I made in error in change sets 36653552 and
> 36653790. (The earlier version had errors, but in attempting to
> correct them using faulty data I made things worse!) Thanks.
> UrViator

I have reverted these in changesets
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36656505 and 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36656415

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Lester Caine]

On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:
> I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:
> 
> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools

Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
it's just a couple more clicks to copy.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Dave F.]

On 18/01/2016 13:00, Lester Caine wrote:

On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:

I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:

http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools

Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
it's just a couple more clicks to copy.



I've notice a couple in my area with slightly incorrect addresses. (I 
find it irritating that businesses appear obsessed with changing them, 
especially sub pages). Either use a validator, such as Keep Right to 
check after adding them all or if you have the time, do a web search to 
ensure the current URL.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] new wiki page ODbL compatibility of common licenses

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 18 January 2016 at 10:53, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> Following a thread on the OSMF-talk list, I am kindly asking you to review
> and improve a new wiki page that tries to give an overview about the
> compatibility of common licenses with the ODbL and CT:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility

This is great to see, and will hopefully become a very useful resource.

Some comments / suggestions:

* In the notes column, it might be better to say "rights holder(s)"
rather than "licensor" since the former is presumably the only
person/body who is able to give such permission.

* For the CC-By notes, I think those giving the permission also need
to be aware that they are (or would need to be) also authorising
downstream use of their data, without necessarily getting any direct
attribution from those downstream uses. I'd suggest adding "including
to cover downstream use in works derived from OSM" to the end of the
note.

* It's not clear from the page whether or not the lack of green in the
"contributor terms" column precludes the use of ODbL data or not.
Presumably not, but more consideration should be taken before using
such data, and with documenting them and attributing it in OSM. If
this is correct, then something to this effect should be added in an
explanatory paragraph.

* It would be good to add the UK's Open Government Licence (OGL) and
Non-Commercial Government Licence (NCGL) to the list. The first should
be the same as the ODbL (as it explicitly states the ODbLs terms are
sufficient to fulfil the obligations under the licence) while the
second is incompatible due to the NC terms.

Robert.

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[Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[Francesco Piero Paolicelli]

Ciao a tutti,

mi aiutate a capire come mai se faccio:

http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/reverse?email=tuaem...@gmail.com=json=40.599299=15.510239=18=1

mi dice che siamo in Campania , comune di Salvitelle, invece siamo in pieno
centro del Comune di Vietri di Potenza?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181359077#map=16/40.5993/15.5102=Q

thanks
Piersoft
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Re: [Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[girarsi_liste]

Il 18/01/2016 16:27, Francesco Piero Paolicelli ha scritto:
> Ciao a tutti,
> 
> mi aiutate a capire come mai se faccio:
> 
> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/reverse?email=tuaem...@gmail.com=json=40.599299=15.510239=18=1
> 
> mi dice che siamo in Campania , comune di Salvitelle, invece siamo in pieno
> centro del Comune di Vietri di Potenza?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181359077#map=16/40.5993/15.5102=Q
> 
> thanks
> Piersoft

Non ho capito la tua domanda, ma le coordinate a quello arrivano.

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Re: [talk-ph] Jan 23 U.S. Embassy Mapathon

[Celina Agaton]

Where what you like, as long as you strut :)



   celinaagaton.com 
   Twitter @celinaagaton 
   Skype: celinaagaton



On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:

> Someone is asking me whether there are any venue restrictions about the
> attire Are flip-flops allowed? How about short-pants? Kindly advise.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 17:30 Celina Agaton  wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Please join us at the U.S. Embassy in Manila for a Leyte Mapathon
>> on Saturday, January 23, 8:30am to 2:30pm.
>>
>> Be sure to register to secure entrance at the embassy! Full details at
>> http://leytemapathon.eventbrite.com
>>
>> If you'd like to help new learners, please let me know!
>> Celina
>>
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[Talk-cz] Silnice se v zimě neudržuje

[Miroslav Suchy]

Jde nějak do mapy zanést že se silnice v zimě neudržuje? Hledal jsem, ale nic 
jsem nenašel.

Jel jsem totiž s rodinou o víkendu do Karlova a zkusil jsem důvěřovat OSM 
navigaci. Ovšem některé úseky byli fakt
výživné. Algoritmus navigace přirozeně vybíral silnice vyšší třídy, což bylo 
fajn. Ovšem po cestě bylo několik cedulí
"Silnice se v zimě neudržuje" a fakt nekecali. Kdybychom jeli po poli tak by to 
asi vyšlo na stejno. Prostě 20 cm
udusaného sněhu. Vyjeté koleje tam sice byli, ale v nich se udusaný sníh 
postupným zahříváním a ochlazováním přeměnil na
led, což jenom umocňovalo řidický zážitek.

Abych se vrátil k tématu - typickým přikladem je tohle místo
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.9701/17.3148
Silnice 445 (2. tř) je ve směru od Malé Morávky udržována a krásně sjízdná. Nad 
Dolní Moravicí uhýbá na západ. Na jih
pokračuje silnice 3. třídy 37020.
V reálu to vypadá jako by to bylo naopak. Upravovaná silnice pokračuje na jih a 
na západ odbočuje silnice která je jen
prohrnutá a kde musíte razantně zpomalit pokud nechcete skončit v příkopu.
Dotaz bokem - jak je možné že silnice 3.tř je více udržovaná než silnice 2 tř.?

No a opravdová lahůdka byla o pár kilometrů jižněji na
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.8427/17.3085
kde úsek mezi Kněžpole a Hůzová je označen cedulí "Silnice se v zimě neudržuje" 
a fakt bych se nebál říct že byla
nesjízdná. Naproti tomu ty silnice 3 tř. co se na ni připojují sjízné byli.

Jak to teda vyznačit do mapy?

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-cz] Znakové klíče

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 16.1.2016 v 13:12 Mikoláš Štrajt napsal(a):
> Jinak nevíte někdo, jak je to s copyrightem na mapové znakové klíče? Tj. když 
> si implementuju styl mapy napodobující
> např. Základní mapu ČUZK (ta se nabízí, její klič je zveřejněn), jak moc 
> legální/nelegální  to bude?

Viz
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2015-June/012003.html
AZ chrání u kartografického díla *především* grafickou podobu. IANAL ale pokud 
se volně inspiruješ a použiješ podobné
klíče, tak je to OK (ona např. ikona pro jeskyni bude mít asi vždy trochu 
kulatý tvar přimoníjící díru), kopii 1:1 bez
svolení samozřejmě nesmíš.

Jinak ptal jsem se na tuto problematiku jedno právníka a jednoho soudce a 
odpověď byla, že tyhle případy jsou vysoce
individuální a spravně by ti to měl posoudit právník kus od kusu a i jeho rada 
je taková naprd a v reálu by to u soudu
mohlo dopadnout úplně jinak.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] confini amministrativi comunali OSM - Istat

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

questo è il thread su OSMF-talk:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-January/003665.html

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-cz] Znakové klíče

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 16.1.2016 v 13:12 Mikoláš Štrajt napsal(a):
> Jinak nevíte někdo, jak je to s copyrightem na mapové znakové klíče? Tj. když 
> si implementuju styl mapy napodobující
> např. Základní mapu ČUZK (ta se nabízí, její klič je zveřejněn), jak moc 
> legální/nelegální  to bude?

Viz
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2015-June/012003.html
AZ chrání u kartografického díla *především* grafickou podobu. IANAL ale pokud 
se volně inspiruješ a použiješ podobné
klíče, tak je to OK (ona např. ikona pro jeskyni bude mít asi vždy trochu 
kulatý tvar přimoníjící díru), kopii 1:1 bez
svolení samozřejmě nesmíš.

Jinak ptal jsem se na tuto problematiku jedno právníka a jednoho soudce a 
odpověď byla, že tyhle případy jsou vysoce
individuální a spravně by ti to měl posoudit právník kus od kusu a i jeho rada 
je taková naprd a v reálu by to u soudu
mohlo dopadnout úplně jinak.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione articolo odierno su Giornale di Vicenza

[mircozorzo]

Ciao, grazie Matteo, se posso, sono interessato a collaborare a questo
progetto. Abito a due passi, se vuoi fammi sapere.


Ciao, Mirco



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Re: [Talk-it] Precisione GPS cellulare e idea dall'incontro a Bologna 2015

[Alessandro]

Il 16/01/2016 17:28, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto:



Perdona la diffidenza, ma hai verificato se la precisione dichiarata dal
software è verosimile? Voglio dire, se fai stazione due volte nello
stesso punto ti indica le stesse coordinate a meno di 10 cm?


Non ho ancora verificato personalmente, prova a fare una ricerca in rete 
"ublox m8t rtk precision"


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 17.01.2016 um 19:35 schrieb Edward Betts :
> l
> I've written some heuristic for different cases. For settlements where there
> is a node and polygon (way or relation) I prefer the node.


wikidata items for settlements are very often actually administrative objects 
in osm, because of the preference for official sources used for Wikipedia 
(wikidata started by creating an object for every article AFAIK)

Is this planned as an actual "mass import", and not every item will be looked 
at by a human before being uploaded? IMHO it would be better to provide the 
results of your analysis in small chunks for the local community to be imported 
"by hand".


cheers 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Jo]

In the case of a museum which is tagged as a node, inside a building
closedway, I would be inclined to give both the node and the building the
same Wikidata tag.

I created Lua code which can be included on a Wikipedia page, which uses
Overpass API to show where that  'museum' is mapped on Openstreetmap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:OSM

At the moment I'm adding wikidata tags to railway stations in Belgium
(Thanks to Simon04, who made doing so a bit more practical: THANKS), so I
add the same wikidata identifier to both the building=train_station and the
node railway=station, and sometimes to the nearby bus stops as well, if
they have station in their names.

That way, somebody who uses the script, will get to see all the OSM objects
that are related to the railway station.

At some point it may happen that the separate bus stops will have wikidata
items of their own, at that time, they can be updated in OSM and their
relation to the station can then probably be found in Wikidata.

It's time consuming, but I tend to do this one by one. There are often
things that can be mapped in better ways around those stations.

What we do need, is a way to fetch wikidata items based on their
coordinates in the Wikipedia plugin, now only Wikpedia articles of the
language set in the preferences are retrieved.

Polyglot

2016-01-17 16:51 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2016-01-17 12:08 GMT+01:00 Edward Betts :
>
>>
>> Any questions or comments?
>
>
>
> I have started some time ago to add wikidata tags manually myself and have
> found that there are a few problems to be careful about. Will you be
> checking the matches you have found to see if there would be contradictions
> between single wikidata statements and current OSM tags, that will require
> reorganization of either the OSM object or the wikidata object? "Partial"
> matches are not so uncommon, e.g. you could have a wikidata object
> referring to a museum and an OSM object referring to the building housing
> the museum (or the other way round).
>
> Another field of similar but not identical objects can happen with places
> (and sub-places like quarters), where one of the DBs is referring to the
> administrative entity and the other to the geographical entity (or only one
> of the DBs is referring to both while the other has it split over 2
> objects).
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-01-17 12:08 GMT+01:00 Edward Betts :

>
> Any questions or comments?



I have started some time ago to add wikidata tags manually myself and have
found that there are a few problems to be careful about. Will you be
checking the matches you have found to see if there would be contradictions
between single wikidata statements and current OSM tags, that will require
reorganization of either the OSM object or the wikidata object? "Partial"
matches are not so uncommon, e.g. you could have a wikidata object
referring to a museum and an OSM object referring to the building housing
the museum (or the other way round).

Another field of similar but not identical objects can happen with places
(and sub-places like quarters), where one of the DBs is referring to the
administrative entity and the other to the geographical entity (or only one
of the DBs is referring to both while the other has it split over 2
objects).

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

[Brian Prangle]

I don't think we should worry about getting a standard for this. I think
our main task is to extend the data and clean it up as far as we can. Then
we can use the name anomalies to try and get the relevant community (i.e
the schools themselves) to add the correct name - which will be the one
THEY prefer from all the official variants

Regards

Brian

On 17 January 2016 at 20:42, Ed Loach  wrote:

> So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of
> england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers?
> Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for
> example.
>
> I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or
> VA) in the hope these are from surveys and are what are on the sign, but
> some names are sourced from fhrs or even os opendata. Is the DfE name
> better in these cases?
>
> Ed
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[OSM-legal-talk] new wiki page ODbL compatibility of common licenses

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Following a thread on the OSMF-talk list, I am kindly asking you to review
and improve a new wiki page that tries to give an overview about the
compatibility of common licenses with the ODbL and CT:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility

Feel free to modify and improve this first draft. I have not yet linked it
from any other wiki pages but plan to do so from the imports section of the
wiki after some community review.

Cheers,
Martin

For reference, this is the OSMF-talk thread:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-January/003665.html
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Edward Betts]

I've written software to match geographic objects in OSM with Wikidata items.

Members of the England West Midlands community have asked me to add Wikidata
tags to OSM in the West Midlands. I have produced a list of objects to modify,
there are 1,164 of them in 44 categories.

Wikidata identifiers are look like Q2256, a Q followed by a number. The tags
I plan to add will look will look like this: wikidata=Q2256

Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata

The matching is based on finding OSM objects with nearby Wikidata items and
comparing the names and tags in OSM with labels and aliases in Wikidata. 

My plan is to add these tags using the API, one changeset per category.

Here is a list of matches grouped by category with links to Wikidata,
Wikipedia and OSM for each match.

https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/2016-01-16.html

This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add:

https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt

This second lists has duplicates removed. I've also removed any OSM objects
that already have a wikidata tag.

Wikidata is licensed as public domain or CC0. I'm not importing any location
data from Wikidata, just the Wikidata identifier.

There are 44,559 existing wikidata tags in the OSM database.

I've added an entry to the Import Catalogue in the "Ongoing Imports,
Semi-Automated" section.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue#Ongoing_Imports.2C_Semi-Automated

If this upload is successful I plan to repeat the process for other regions in
the UK. Then gradually expand to other parts of the world.

The matching software is in a reasonably tidy state, after a bit more clean up
I will share it for others to review and contribute.

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Re: [Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[Federico Cortese]

2016-01-18 17:45 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> Am 18.01.2016 um 17:30 schrieb girarsi_liste :
>>
>> E nel caso di barrier con way doppia? tieni una o tutte e due come outer?
>
>
> al solito non faccio 2 ways sovrapposti (credo di averlo fatto forse un paio 
> di volte), ma in ogni caso devi prendere solo uno come outer.
>

Sono d'accordo con Martin, anche io mi sono sempre regolato così.
Solo per i fabbricati ormai mi sto orientando a disegnare il perimetro
completo, anche per quelli adiacenti, quindi con bordo che si
sovrappone.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] new wiki page ODbL compatibility of common licenses

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-01-18 16:21 GMT+01:00 Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com>:

> Some comments / suggestions:
>
>
thank you for your comments.



> * In the notes column, it might be better to say "rights holder(s)"
> rather than "licensor" since the former is presumably the only
> person/body who is able to give such permission.
>


done



>
> * For the CC-By notes, I think those giving the permission also need
> to be aware that they are (or would need to be) also authorising
> downstream use of their data, without necessarily getting any direct
> attribution from those downstream uses. I'd suggest adding "including
> to cover downstream use in works derived from OSM" to the end of the
> note.
>


I have integrated this now, had first tried to put it in the middle but
then decided to add it to the end as you suggested (but without the "to
cover"), feel free to improve it yourself


* It's not clear from the page whether or not the lack of green in the
> "contributor terms" column precludes the use of ODbL data or not.
> Presumably not, but more consideration should be taken before using
> such data, and with documenting them and attributing it in OSM. If
> this is correct, then something to this effect should be added in an
> explanatory paragraph.
>


yes, I agree this could be made more verbose. I agree with your
interpretation that it doesn't seem to prevent people from importing this
data now, but it clearly puts more obligations on us that will make future
license changes harder to perform. Feel free to add some explanatory lines
yourself


>
> * It would be good to add the UK's Open Government Licence (OGL) and
> Non-Commercial Government Licence (NCGL) to the list. The first should
> be the same as the ODbL (as it explicitly states the ODbLs terms are
> sufficient to fulfil the obligations under the licence) while the
> second is incompatible due to the NC terms.
>


can you (or someone else) add these? I am not familiar with them and could
only replicate what you have written above.

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Wales data

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 18 January 2016 at 16:41, Bogus Zaba  wrote:
> I was however a bit surprised to see that the progress tool referenced
> here : http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
> includes Welsh postcodes but uses Edubase rather than estyn as the data
> source. As far as I can make out,  estyn is the more comprehensive data
> source for Wales, Edubase is by no means complete.

I set up http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ . I was aware
of the Estyn source, but was hoping that Edubase already had all the
Welsh schools covered, as the Edubase data was easier to import
automatically. You seem to be suggesting that this isn't the case. It
looks like the Estyn numbers are actually a three-digit LA code
followed by a four-digit school code, which correspond to the
"LA/Establishment Number" stored in Edubase. I did a quick check with
the Isle of Anglesey schools, and it seems both Estyn and Edubase have
the same number -- 56. If you area aware of significant numbers of
schools missing from Edubase, then please let me know, and I'll see
how easy it would be to import the Estyn data too. In the mean time,
I'm afraid the Estyn codes won't be picked up by my tool.

Robert.

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[Talk-TW] 第一屆社群組織理監事暨組織章程選舉結果

[Board OSMTW]

Hi 各位 mapper，

第一屆社群組織的理監事會投票結果出爐了

結果在下列連結：

http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_7d124fecfa11e2b6

http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_d59f21ad44209f1c

組織章程新的 A 版

通過

當選理事成員為 鄧東波、蔡志展、李昕迪、陳瑞霖、劉俊宏、黃裕翔、王聖鐸、洪士勛、吳柏旻

監事為 郭俊麟、詹為翔、上官良治

正副理事長、秘書長、財務掌等職務將會在第一次理事會議後公布

以上

Happy Mapping
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Re: [Talk-se] NVDB på väg att släppas som öppna data

[Joel Grafström]

Nu har det kommit en klargörande wiki-sida om vilka licenser som är kompatibla. 
CC-BY 4.0 är INTE kompatibel, om man inte får OK från parten i fråga.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility

//Joel

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
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Skickat: den 12 januari 2016 12:09
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Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] NVDB på väg att släppas som öppna data

2016-01-12 11:47 GMT+01:00 Joel Grafström :
> Lagligheten i att importera CC-BY data kan jag inte bedöma eftersom jag inte 
> är jurist, men eftersom stora importer har skett från andra källor med CC-BY 
> licens data tolkar jag det som att det är OK. I Norge har de dock löst 
> osäkerheten genom att få skriftligt på att licensen kan tillämpas vid import 
> av data till OSM samt att det räcker med att ha "source=Kartverket" samt en 
> wiki-sida som förklarar licensen närmare. Kanske kan man göra likadant i 
> Sverige med Lantmäteriet och Trafikverket.
>

Jo  men tittar man på
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue så verkar det vara standard 
att få ok från national mapping agencies för att använda
source=* + http://osm.org/copyright innan man gör en import. Det är en 
bedömning som delas av många inom OSM också.

Det är inte en optimal situation, därför är CC-0 så viktigt, inte bara för OSM 
men för alla som ska använda data från myndigheter.  E.g.
CC-by använder den ideella rätten vilket gör det möjligt för lantmäteriet att i 
efterhand kräva destruktion av tryckta exemplar, detta har prövats i domstol 
för upphovsrätt och artister, hur det står i förhållande till katalogskyddet 
och företag vet jag inte då inte heller jag är jurist.

/Erik Johansson

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Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

[Chris Hill]

On 18/01/16 06:50, Marc Gemis wrote:

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:

On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote:

So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of
england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers?
Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for
example.

I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main
name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes.

Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the
ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name
field ?
I would put CEVA in short_name.

just my .5 cents



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[Talk-at] Mentz Aktivitaeten in AT

[Jens Steinhauser]

Hallo,

Seit einiger Zeit wird anscheinend im Auftrag von Mentz in Oesterreich
gemappt (ueber die 2014 fuer "Forschungsprojekte" auserkorenen
Bahnhoefe [1]). Mir ist es zum ersten mal aufgefallen, als am Wiener
Westbahnhof ein dicker U-Bahn Bahnsteig eingezeichnet wurde, immerhin
mit "fixme=position & shape estimated". Nachdem ichs reverted habe,
wurde eine Woche spaeter der gesamte Bahnhof auf den Kopf gestellt:
Jeder noch so kleine Foodstore erhaelt ein eigenes indoor-Polygon
(fuer ein "Orthogonalize" hats aber meist nicht gereicht, viele sind
schief und krumm), massenhaft Ways uebereinander mit verschiedenen
layer/level, die sich teilweise ihre Eck-Nodes teilen und teilweise
nicht. Verlaufen mehrer Rolltrepen parallel, muss natuerlich jede
einzeln eingezeichnet werden. Geschaefte die sich ueber mehrere
Stockwerke erstrecken gibt es ploetzlich zwei mal, wenn man sie in
dieses Taggingschema zwaengt (z.B. "New Yorker" am Westbahnhof).
Selbst die Umrisse von Liften werden einzeln als Ways eingezeichnet.
usw...

Das Ergebnis ist ein kaum wartbarer Bahnhof, der von einem Anfaenger
schon gar nicht, und auch von einem erfahrenen Mapper kaum bearbeitet
werden kann (aber ich hoers schon kommen: "wenn man JOSM verwendet,
mit zig Plugins, und auf die layer filtert, dann ists doch ganz
einfach"). Kommt irgend ein Geschaeft hinzu, waer meine Motivation da
was nachzutragen auch sehr gering: anstatt einfach einen neuen Node
hineinzusetzen soll ich jetzt sinnlos Ways aufsplitten und neue
hinzufuegen, und waere am Schluss immer noch mit dem Resultat
unzufrieden, weil ich genau weiss, dass die Genauigkeit, die man
durchs Mapping per Way vortaeuscht, nicht zu erreichen ist, und das
3x4 Meter grosse Standl in dem Gebaeude einige Meter wo anderst steht.

Das OSM Datenmodell ist fuer Indoor-Mapping einfach ungeeignet, dafuer
haette man aber nicht alle Bahnhoefe umkrempeln muessen, nachdem das
TU-Wien Hauptgebaeude vor einigen Jahren in einen unglaublich
grausigen Zustand versetzt wurde, war das doch eh schon klar.

Mentz wird wohl irgendeinen Nutzen von einem solchen Mapping haben,
aber hat der grosse Rest der Mapper/Datennutzer was davon? Ausser
einem irrsinnigen Mehraufwand bei selbst kleinen Aenderungen, dem
Versprechen dass es irgendwann, moeglicherweise aber auch nie, ein
ganz, ganz tolles Indoor-Fussgaenger-Routing geben wird, und
falschen/duplizierten POIs (siehe New Yorker Beispiel oben).

lg,
Jens

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.at/6648

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[Talk-cz] Přepínač vrstev na openstreetmap.cz

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Ahoj,

jak se pravilo ve WeeklyOSM aktuálně tvořenou částí osmap.cz je přepínač
vrstev a textové rozšíření okolních stránek pro BFU.

Chtěl bych poprosit o návrhy a komentáře k draftu toho přepínače - zde
google doc [1], též tam je odkázané původní issue na githubu.
Jde zejména o to
- jestli vám přijde navrhnutý koncept dobrý
- jaké byste uvitali vrstvy
- případné textace pro BFU

Díky
Pavel
http://osmap.cz


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Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Edward Betts]

Lester Caine  wrote:
> On 18/01/16 06:54, Edward Betts wrote:
> > The list of schools in the West Midlands is ready to go. Does anybody have 
> > an
> > objection to me adding the wikidata tags now? If not I'll add them.
> 
> Only done a quick scan, but Pershore High School no longer has just a
> node. Not sure on some others since need to check objects to match on of
> multiple names. Don't think any body else is editing these schools
> currently?

My work is based on a data dump downloaded a week ago. My code for adding the
wikidata tags to OSM will skip any objects that no longer exist.

> But *I* would appreciate breaking up the commits so we don't end up with all
> 1164 on the one change set? :(

The matches that I've found in the West Midlands are grouped into 44
categories. The plan is to have one changeset per category, not to upload 1164
changes in a single changeset.

> The wikidata tag is in addition to the existing wikipedia tag?

Yes. I'm not planning to make any changes to wikipedia tags.

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Re: [Talk-at] Mentz Aktivitaeten in AT

[Rainer Fügenstein]

> Wozu Indoor-Mapping überhaupt, wenn es eh in jedem Einkaufszentrum einen
> Lageplan an jedem Eingang gibt, der zeigt, wo welches Geschäft zu finden
> ist.

wozu openstreetmap, wenn es eh gedruckte landkarten gibt?



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Re: [Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[girarsi_liste]

Il 18/01/2016 17:25, Any File ha scritto:
> Se al posto di indicare la latitudine e longitudine si usa
> osm_type=W_id=181359077
> 
> il risultato che si ottiene è corretto.
> 
> 
> 2016-01-18 17:16 GMT+01:00 Damjan Gerl :

Io ho guardato le relazioni del confine amministrativo, tre sono regione
e tre confine comune, forse anche questo influisce.


Percorso 27966839 come outer
Percorso 27966907 come outer
Percorso 27966906 come outer
Percorso 121994086 come outer
Percorso 121993778 come outer
Percorso 121993704 come outer
Nodo Vietri di Potenza (67280904) come admin_centre



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Re: [Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[girarsi_liste]

Il 18/01/2016 16:59, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> Riutilizzo questi muri spesso anche per creare relazioni multipoligon per
> cosa sta all'interno.
> 

E nel caso di barrier con way doppia? tieni una o tutte e due come outer?


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Re: [Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 18.01.2016 um 17:30 schrieb girarsi_liste :
> 
> E nel caso di barrier con way doppia? tieni una o tutte e due come outer?


al solito non faccio 2 ways sovrapposti (credo di averlo fatto forse un paio di 
volte), ma in ogni caso devi prendere solo uno come outer.


ciao 
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[Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[demon.box]

ciao, mi rendo conto che forse siamo nell'ambito del micro-mapping ma volevo
chiedervi:

come vi regolate voi quando mappando il classico muro di cinta di una
proprietà privata questo è formato da un muro alto 1m partendo dal terreno e
poi sopra c'è la classica inferriata (di metallo appunto) che arriva a 2m
totali?

voglio dire date precedenza alla parte bassa cioè:

barrier=wall

oppure alla parte alta cioè:

barrer=fence + fence_type=metal  ?

grazie

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Re: [Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-01-18 16:54 GMT+01:00 demon.box :

>
> come vi regolate voi quando mappando il classico muro di cinta di una
> proprietà privata questo è formato da un muro alto 1m partendo dal terreno
> e
> poi sopra c'è la classica inferriata (di metallo appunto) che arriva a 2m
> totali?
>
> voglio dire date precedenza alla parte bassa cioè:
>
> barrier=wall
>
> oppure alla parte alta cioè:
>
> barrer=fence + fence_type=metal  ?





io al solito uso barrier=fence in questo caso, ed uso muro soltanto quando
è più alto di 1 m (quindi impedisce la vista).
E' vero che in realtà manca un metodo per mappare bene cose sovraposte
lineari. Si potrebbe disegnare 2 way sovraposte e stabilire il loro ordine
con il tag layer.

Riutilizzo questi muri spesso anche per creare relazioni multipoligon per
cosa sta all'interno.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[Damjan Gerl]

Vero:
se parti da questo:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/40.5997/15.5064

e poi clicchi su Dove sono?
ti porta a qualcosa come 6 km a sinistra in un altro comune...

Pero non so perché!


Ciao
Damjan


> Il 18/01/2016 16:27, Francesco Piero Paolicelli ha scritto:
> > Ciao a tutti,
> > 
> > mi aiutate a capire come mai se faccio:
> > 
> > http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/reverse?email=tuaem...@gmail.com=json=40.599299=15.510239=18=1
> > 
> > mi dice che siamo in Campania , comune di Salvitelle, invece siamo in pieno
> > centro del Comune di Vietri di Potenza?
> > 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181359077#map=16/40.5993/15.5102=Q
> > 
> > thanks
> > Piersoft
> 
> Non ho capito la tua domanda, ma le coordinate a quello arrivano.
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Re: [Talk-es] Marcado de centros de salud

[Alejandro Moreno Calvo]

Yo amenity=doctors lo use para consultas de dentistas, fisioterapeutas y
cosas así. Buscando en la wiki veo que en la página
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Map_Features#Salud ya está marcado
amenity:clinic para centros de salud así que voy a revisar los
amenity:hospital de Madrid para ver cuales corresponden a ambulatorios y
deben ser amenity:clinic

El 15 de enero de 2016, 21:30, Diego García  escribió:

> Yo no sé si estaré haciendo lo correcto, pero los centros de salud los
> estoy etiquetando como amenity doctors.
>
> Tanto las clínicas como los hospitales son sitios en los que se puede
> ingresar un enfermo para ser tratado, es decir, tienen habitaciones y
> plantas para esa práctica. A diferencia de los centros de salud, en donde
> hay una serie de consultas donde pasan visita diversos doctores, (o salas
> de cura, urgencias, etc), pero no hay camas para ingresos. Por eso pienso
> se ajusta más a amenity doctors.
>
>
>
> Un saludo,
>
>
> El 12 de enero de 2016, 18:05, Alejandro Moreno Calvo 
> escribió:
>
>> Revisando datos veo que en Madrid la mayoría de centros de salud y de
>> especialidades están marcados como amenity:hospital
>> Yo creo que debería ser amenity:clinic
>> ¿Hay alguna normativa para estos centros?
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[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Wales data

[Bogus Zaba]

Following the wiki guidelines (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ) I have been
adding a ref:estyn=* tag to schools which are local to me. I plan to
cover some rather further afield if other mappers in Wales do not seem
to be participating enthusiastically.

I was however a bit surprised to see that the progress tool referenced
here : http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
includes Welsh postcodes but uses Edubase rather than estyn as the data
source. As far as I can make out,  estyn is the more comprehensive data
source for Wales, Edubase is by no means complete.

Would I be correct in assuming that the progress tool is not really
something that we should be relying on when it comes to looking at Welsh
schools? My own overpass turbo queries suggest that there are 1474
amenity=school tags in Wales of which 36 so far have a ref:estyn=* tag.
I guess we have a little way to go...

bogzab

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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione articolo odierno su Giornale di Vicenza

[Matteo Zaffonato]

Il 18/01/2016 10:35, mircozorzo ha scritto:

Ciao, grazie Matteo, se posso, sono interessato a collaborare a questo
progetto. Abito a due passi, se vuoi fammi sapere.


Ciao, Mirco

Grazie mille Mirco, appena ho novità ti faccio sapere.

Matteo


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[Talk-it] mappare muro di confine

[demon.box]

ciao, mi rendo conto che forse siamo nell'ambito del micro-mapping ma volevo
chiedervi:

come vi regolate voi quando mappando il classico muro di cinta di una
proprietà privata questo è formato da un muro alto 1m partendo dal terreno e
poi sopra c'è la classica inferriata (di metallo appunto) che arriva a 2m
totali?

voglio dire date precedenza alla parte bassa cioè:

barrier=wall

oppure alla parte alta cioè:

barrer=fence + fence_type=metal  ?

grazie

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Re: [Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[Any File]

Se al posto di indicare la latitudine e longitudine si usa
osm_type=W_id=181359077

il risultato che si ottiene è corretto.


2016-01-18 17:16 GMT+01:00 Damjan Gerl :
> e poi clicchi su Dove sono?

Io avevo sempre pensato che cliccando su Dove sono mi trovasse la mai
posizione attuale (dove è il mio computer), e non dove è centrata la
mappa.

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[OSM-talk-fr] faire taire Bano ;-)

[osm . sanspourriel]

Bonjour,
Sur http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/#insee=56078=0, parmi 
les voies numérotées non rapprochées je vois :
56078A009H 	CTRE COM DE GUIDEL PLAGE 	-- 	ORG 
 	FR 
 
	BANO 
 
	JOSM 	ID 
 
	P 
 




Or le centre commercial est en voie de suppression (depuis des années).
Subsiste un restaurant, le nouveau centre étant bloqué par des recours.
Je peux bien sûr mettre "Centre Commercial de Guidel-Plages" en name du 
bâtiment central ou un place=.

Sauf qu'il apparaîtra sur la carte même si je mets "disused".

Sur le toit figure toujours une trace d'un ancien panneau "Galerie 
Commerciale".


Que conseillez-vous ?
- Mettre juste le code Fantoir ?
- Si je mets un alt_name, loc_name, peut-être qu'il n'apparaitra pas sur 
la carte (et le lieu sera trouvé en cas de recherche).

- mettre malgré tout le name ?
- "Ancien nom supprimé sur le terrain" sachant qu'il reste 
provisoirement un restaurant à cette adresse mais que fonctionnellement 
ce n'est plus une galerie commerciale.


Jean-Yvon

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cache BANO mis à jour

[Donat ROBAUX]

>
> Cependant vous pourrez constater à droite à gauche l'apparition de
> nouvelles voies en rouge sur la carte, ou dans les listes de
> http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ sans vous dire que vous avez
> oublié une rue la dernière fois que vous y êtes passé : elle a pu
> apparaître avec le nouveau cache.
>

J'ai pas compris...


> J'ai par la même occasion ajouté un bouton sur les pages Fantoir (en haut
> à droite) pour pouvoir naviguer simplement d'une commune vers ses voisines
> sans les connaitre d'avance ni apprendre par coeur les codes INSEE ;)
>

Ca c'est pas mal du tout. Je ne pense pas m'en servir mais c'est astucieux.
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[talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

[Nev Wedding]

Should the JOSM Scanaerial plugin be able to scan the LPI NSW Administrative 
Boundaries NPWS Reserve WMS layer and others.
I would like to zoom in to a section and use the plugin as an initial pass 
instead of manually mouse clicking around the long and winding boundary and 
then refine the result before tagging and uploading.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scanaerial 
I am using a mac OS X and there are no instructions for that install so I may 
not have it set up correctly yet, so first up before proceeding further, I 
would like to know if it will help anyway. 

I am unfamiliar with tracing shapes other than tediously wandering around the 
boundaries one click at a time.

I played around with Gimp and Inkscape but found that to be quite a task too 
and wasn’t sure if I could use the output in Josm in anyway.

How do you manage such tasks? Are their special mouse tools available?

Is what I am trying to do essentially considered to be part of an import and/or 
the current LPI layers unsuitable for the tracing process.

Some links to where to find more info on this topic would be appreciated.  
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Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

[Ross]

scanaerial or tracer2 plugins both work with the Reserves WMS layer.

As to setting it up on OSX I'd suggest it's similar to the linux setup 
as the operating systems are similar, just need to put the config file 
in the appropriate place and have python installed.


Cheers
Ross


On 19/01/16 13:44, Nev Wedding wrote:

Should the JOSM Scanaerial plugin be able to scan the LPI NSW Administrative 
Boundaries NPWS Reserve WMS layer and others.
I would like to zoom in to a section and use the plugin as an initial pass 
instead of manually mouse clicking around the long and winding boundary and 
then refine the result before tagging and uploading.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scanaerial 
I am using a mac OS X and there are no instructions for that install so I may 
not have it set up correctly yet, so first up before proceeding further, I 
would like to know if it will help anyway.

I am unfamiliar with tracing shapes other than tediously wandering around the 
boundaries one click at a time.

I played around with Gimp and Inkscape but found that to be quite a task too 
and wasn’t sure if I could use the output in Josm in anyway.

How do you manage such tasks? Are their special mouse tools available?

Is what I am trying to do essentially considered to be part of an import and/or 
the current LPI layers unsuitable for the tracing process.

Some links to where to find more info on this topic would be appreciated.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cache BANO mis à jour

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

Le 19/01/2016 01:45, Donat ROBAUX a écrit :

Cependant vous pourrez constater à droite à gauche l'apparition de
nouvelles voies en rouge sur la carte, ou dans les listes de
http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ sans vous dire que vous
avez oublié une rue la dernière fois que vous y êtes passé : elle a
pu apparaître avec le nouveau cache.


J'ai pas compris...


Ce que j'appelle le cache c'est en fait notre version du contenu du 
cadastre. On fabrique un cache pour des raisons de performance et de 
sollicitation des serveurs de cadastre.gouv.fr.
Pour une version de cache et pour une commune données, l'inventaire des 
rues connues du cadastre est figé. En renouvelant le cache, on renouvèle 
l'inventaire, et on donne la possibilité à une voie créée sur le 
cadastre depuis le précédent cache d'apparaitre sur le rendu Bano. Et 
sauf à être sur le terrain cette source est notre principal moyen de 
connaitre l'existence d'une rue. Donc la mise à jour du cache peut faire 
apparaitre de nouvelles rues, car seul le cadastre nous en fournit une 
géométrie (via les points d'adresses), et donc la possibilité de les 
afficher sur le rendu.


(Bon, en fait, je sais pas si c'est plus clair ;) )

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] faire taire Bano ;-)

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Le 19/01/2016 01:34, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :


Or le centre commercial est en voie de suppression (depuis des années).
Subsiste un restaurant, le nouveau centre étant bloqué par des recours.
Je peux bien sûr mettre "Centre Commercial de Guidel-Plages" en name du
bâtiment central ou un place=.
Sauf qu'il apparaîtra sur la carte même si je mets "disused".

Sur le toit figure toujours une trace d'un ancien panneau "Galerie
Commerciale".

Que conseillez-vous ?
- Mettre juste le code Fantoir ?


Ça ne résoudra rien s'il n'y a pas de tag name associé.


- Si je mets un alt_name, loc_name, peut-être qu'il n'apparaitra pas sur
la carte (et le lieu sera trouvé en cas de recherche).
- mettre malgré tout le name ?
- "Ancien nom supprimé sur le terrain" sachant qu'il reste
provisoirement un restaurant à cette adresse mais que fonctionnellement
ce n'est plus une galerie commerciale.


Tu le dis bien : c'est la fonction qui est obsolète. Donc pas de 
shop=mall ou shop=supermarket. En revanche un name="Galerie commerciale" 
ou le nom qui figurait sur les panneaux avant, s'il est différent. Et le 
tag ref:FR:FANTOIR pour forcer le lien si le nom est différent de celui 
donné par Fantoir.


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Re: [Talk-es] Patrimonio Digital

[Jose Alberto Gonzalez von Schmeling]

Hola. Si no tienes una cantidad razonable de visitas no deberías de
preocuparte. En caso que si lo tengas y superes las 50.000 visualizaciones,
creó que que se logró un gran objetivo. Tenés un mercado. A partir de ahí
podes empezar a ver alternativas como por ejemplo buscar ingresos, etc.
Saludos jose
El 18/1/2016 5:32 p. m., "Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro" 
escribió:

> Hola,
>
> al final he empezado a montarlo con Mapbox, el problema es que me dan
> 50.000 visualizaciones de mapa y luego es de pago.
>
> Os enseño lo que estoy haciendo para que veáis la idea:
>
> http://mapa.patrimoniodigital.es/
>
> Saludos!
>
>
> El 10 ene 2016, a las 16:40, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro <
> malop...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Jose Alberto,
>
> muchas gracias por el dato. He estado leyendo acerca de leaflet y tiene
> muy buena pinta.
>
> Voy a avanzar con ello.
>
> De nuevo gracias y saludos,
>
> Miguel Angel
>
>
> El 10 ene 2016, a las 14:10, Jose Alberto Gonzalez von Schmeling <
> joseg...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Claro que si. Solamente deberías de usar una librería de mapas que
> contiene OSM. Podes usar leaflet o OL3.
>
> saludos, jose
>
> El 10 de enero de 2016, 08:32, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro<
> malop...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Mi nombre es Miguel Angel López. Estoy escaneando esculturas y monumentos
>> de la ciudad de Sevilla. Una vez tengo el modelo escaneado genero un
>> fichero 3D, bien para visualización interactiva o bien para descargar.
>>
>> Me gustaría ir posicionando los monumentos ya escaneados en un mapa, para
>> ello me gustaría que saliera un icono específico y al pincha en el se
>> desplegara un pequeño layer por encima del mapa y poder generar yo el
>> contenido de ese layer desde mi base de datos. No me importa si es con un
>> iframe, por ejemplo.
>>
>> Es esto posible con Open Street Map?
>>
>> gracias y saludos!
>>
>> Miguel Angel López
>> www.patrimoniodigital.es
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Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

[Nev Wedding]

That’s great news, thanks
Nev

> On 19 Jan 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ross  wrote:
> 
> scanaerial or tracer2 plugins both work with the Reserves WMS layer.
> 
> As to setting it up on OSX I'd suggest it's similar to the linux setup as the 
> operating systems are similar, just need to put the config file in the 
> appropriate place and have python installed.
> 
> Cheers
> Ross
> 
> 
> On 19/01/16 13:44, Nev Wedding wrote:
>> Should the JOSM Scanaerial plugin be able to scan the LPI NSW Administrative 
>> Boundaries NPWS Reserve WMS layer and others.
>> I would like to zoom in to a section and use the plugin as an initial pass 
>> instead of manually mouse clicking around the long and winding boundary and 
>> then refine the result before tagging and uploading.
>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scanaerial  
>> I am using a mac OS X and there are no instructions for that install so I 
>> may not have it set up correctly yet, so first up before proceeding further, 
>> I would like to know if it will help anyway.
>> 
>> I am unfamiliar with tracing shapes other than tediously wandering around 
>> the boundaries one click at a time.
>> 
>> I played around with Gimp and Inkscape but found that to be quite a task too 
>> and wasn’t sure if I could use the output in Josm in anyway.
>> 
>> How do you manage such tasks? Are their special mouse tools available?
>> 
>> Is what I am trying to do essentially considered to be part of an import 
>> and/or the current LPI layers unsuitable for the tracing process.
>> 
>> Some links to where to find more info on this topic would be appreciated.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Silnice se v zimě neudržuje

[Karel Volný]

'hoj,

> Napisu to do te diskuse a budu to pouzivat. Koukam ze se to hodne
> pouziva prave tady kolem alp.

ehm, do které diskuse?

popsané je to tu:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:winter_service

jinak viz též:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:snowplowing

i když tedy udržovat lze nejen pluhem (vtipné je snowplowing=heated)

- zdá se být užívanější, a hlavně to není jen 'proposed', jestli se na to tedy 
ještě hraje ...

K.


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Re: [Talk-es] Marcado de centros de salud

[Diego García]

Pues no sólo tienes razón, si no que además estás en lo cierto. Eso explica
porqué tengo la mitad de una manera y el resto de otra: antes leía más la
wiki. Me toca revisar a mi también.

Un saludo

El lun 18/01/2016, 17:36, Alejandro Moreno Calvo 
escribió:

> Yo amenity=doctors lo use para consultas de dentistas, fisioterapeutas y
> cosas así. Buscando en la wiki veo que en la página
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Map_Features#Salud ya está marcado
> amenity:clinic para centros de salud así que voy a revisar los
> amenity:hospital de Madrid para ver cuales corresponden a ambulatorios y
> deben ser amenity:clinic
>
> El 15 de enero de 2016, 21:30, Diego García  escribió:
>
>> Yo no sé si estaré haciendo lo correcto, pero los centros de salud los
>> estoy etiquetando como amenity doctors.
>>
>> Tanto las clínicas como los hospitales son sitios en los que se puede
>> ingresar un enfermo para ser tratado, es decir, tienen habitaciones y
>> plantas para esa práctica. A diferencia de los centros de salud, en donde
>> hay una serie de consultas donde pasan visita diversos doctores, (o salas
>> de cura, urgencias, etc), pero no hay camas para ingresos. Por eso pienso
>> se ajusta más a amenity doctors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Un saludo,
>>
>>
>> El 12 de enero de 2016, 18:05, Alejandro Moreno Calvo 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Revisando datos veo que en Madrid la mayoría de centros de salud y de
>>> especialidades están marcados como amenity:hospital
>>> Yo creo que debería ser amenity:clinic
>>> ¿Hay alguna normativa para estos centros?
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione articolo odierno su Giornale di Vicenza

[Matteo Zaffonato]

Il 18/01/2016 10:35, mircozorzo ha scritto:

Ciao, grazie Matteo, se posso, sono interessato a collaborare a questo
progetto. Abito a due passi, se vuoi fammi sapere.


Ciao, Mirco
Altro progetto che potrebbe partire è una mappatura del Comune di 
Chiuppano da parte di alcune associazioni locali. Domani sera ho un 
incontro e poi ti faccio sapere.


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[Talk-in] On bulk download of data

[sibi kanagaraj]

Hi all  ,

Is it possible to download a dump of the all the points /areas marked in
open street map in India  .


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Re: [Talk-cz] Silnice se v zimě neudržuje

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 18.1.2016 v 23:44 Pavel Machek napsal(a):
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability
> 
> takze "trafficability=unmaintained_in_winter" ?

Ted me napadlo se podivat na taginfo na highway=* a jeho kombinace s
*winter* a nasel jsem docela pouzivany (lec nedokumentovany)
winter_service={yes,no,limited}
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/winter_service#overview

Napisu to do te diskuse a budu to pouzivat. Koukam ze se to hodne
pouziva prave tady kolem alp.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Znakové klíče

[Mikoláš Štrajt]

> Viz
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2015-June/012003.html
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2015-June/012003.html)
> AZ chrání u kartografického díla *především* grafickou podobu. IANAL ale 
pokud se volně inspiruješ a použiješ 
> podobné klíče, tak je to OK (ona např. ikona pro jeskyni bude mít asi vždy
trochu kulatý tvar přimoníjící díru), 

(jde mi hlavně o barevná schémata, ono vyladit barevné schéma, aby mělo 
kontrast a nebolely z něj oči je věda)

> kopii 1:1 bez
> svolení samozřejmě nesmíš. 

jasně... ta filosofie je z dob, kdy kopírování map přicházelo v úvahu 
především (poly)grafickou cestou...

> Jinak ptal jsem se na tuto problematiku jedno právníka a jednoho soudce a 
odpověď byla, že tyhle případy jsou 
> vysoce
> individuální a spravně by ti to měl posoudit právník kus od kusu a i jeho 
rada je taková naprd a v reálu by to u soudu
> mohlo dopadnout úplně jinak.

jinak koukal jsem na tu vojenskou topografickou mapu:

to by zrovna mohla být u soudu zajímavá věc, protože má „krutou“ licenci 
(verze z http://geoportal.gov.cz):

> Jen pro pořeby resortu Ministerstva životního prostředí, neposkytovat 
třetím osobám, zákaz komerčního šíření, nesmí opustit území ČR

tudíž kdybych udělal napodobující vrstvu a přidal ukázku originálu, mohl by 
to teoreticky být celkem průšvih

(prakticky asi ne, starší verzi té mapy lze stáhnout bez řečí z ulož.to)

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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione articolo odierno su Giornale di Vicenza

[mircozorzo]

Grazie a te. 

Mirco



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Re: [Talk-it] nominatim e osm per Vietri di Potenza

[Francesco Piero Paolicelli]

Napo mi ha illuminato,

in quel paesino nn c'era neanche una strata locale mappata.
ho battezzato via del carmine et voilà ora nominatim riconosce tutto.

grazie mille a tutti!
Piersoft

Il giorno 18 gennaio 2016 17:28, girarsi_liste  ha
scritto:

> Il 18/01/2016 17:25, Any File ha scritto:
> > Se al posto di indicare la latitudine e longitudine si usa
> > osm_type=W_id=181359077
> >
> > il risultato che si ottiene è corretto.
> >
> >
> > 2016-01-18 17:16 GMT+01:00 Damjan Gerl :
>
> Io ho guardato le relazioni del confine amministrativo, tre sono regione
> e tre confine comune, forse anche questo influisce.
>
>
> Percorso 27966839 come outer
> Percorso 27966907 come outer
> Percorso 27966906 come outer
> Percorso 121994086 come outer
> Percorso 121993778 come outer
> Percorso 121993704 come outer
> Nodo Vietri di Potenza (67280904) come admin_centre
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Patrimonio Digital

[Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro]

Hola,

al final he empezado a montarlo con Mapbox, el problema es que me dan 50.000 
visualizaciones de mapa y luego es de pago.

Os enseño lo que estoy haciendo para que veáis la idea:

http://mapa.patrimoniodigital.es/

Saludos!


> El 10 ene 2016, a las 16:40, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro  
> escribió:
> 
> Jose Alberto,
> 
> muchas gracias por el dato. He estado leyendo acerca de leaflet y tiene muy 
> buena pinta.
> 
> Voy a avanzar con ello.
> 
> De nuevo gracias y saludos,
> 
> Miguel Angel
> 
> 
>> El 10 ene 2016, a las 14:10, Jose Alberto Gonzalez von Schmeling 
>> > escribió:
>> 
>> Claro que si. Solamente deberías de usar una librería de mapas que contiene 
>> OSM. Podes usar leaflet o OL3.
>> 
>> saludos, jose
>> 
>> El 10 de enero de 2016, 08:32, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro> > escribió:
>> Hola,
>> 
>> Mi nombre es Miguel Angel López. Estoy escaneando esculturas y monumentos de 
>> la ciudad de Sevilla. Una vez tengo el modelo escaneado genero un fichero 
>> 3D, bien para visualización interactiva o bien para descargar.
>> 
>> Me gustaría ir posicionando los monumentos ya escaneados en un mapa, para 
>> ello me gustaría que saliera un icono específico y al pincha en el se 
>> desplegara un pequeño layer por encima del mapa y poder generar yo el 
>> contenido de ese layer desde mi base de datos. No me importa si es con un 
>> iframe, por ejemplo.
>> 
>> Es esto posible con Open Street Map?
>> 
>> gracias y saludos!
>> 
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>> www.patrimoniodigital.es 
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Re: [Talk-at] Mentz Aktivitaeten in AT

[nebulon42]

Es ist wohl am konstruktivsten sich mit dieser Kritik direkt an MentzDV 
zu wenden. Ich habe eine von Roland Olbricht als Kontakt angegebene 
E-Mail-Adresse mal auf CC gesetzt.


lg, nebulon42

Am 2016-01-18 um 13:11 schrieb Jens Steinhauser:

Hallo,

Seit einiger Zeit wird anscheinend im Auftrag von Mentz in Oesterreich
gemappt (ueber die 2014 fuer "Forschungsprojekte" auserkorenen
Bahnhoefe [1]). Mir ist es zum ersten mal aufgefallen, als am Wiener
Westbahnhof ein dicker U-Bahn Bahnsteig eingezeichnet wurde, immerhin
mit "fixme=position & shape estimated". Nachdem ichs reverted habe,
wurde eine Woche spaeter der gesamte Bahnhof auf den Kopf gestellt:
Jeder noch so kleine Foodstore erhaelt ein eigenes indoor-Polygon
(fuer ein "Orthogonalize" hats aber meist nicht gereicht, viele sind
schief und krumm), massenhaft Ways uebereinander mit verschiedenen
layer/level, die sich teilweise ihre Eck-Nodes teilen und teilweise
nicht. Verlaufen mehrer Rolltrepen parallel, muss natuerlich jede
einzeln eingezeichnet werden. Geschaefte die sich ueber mehrere
Stockwerke erstrecken gibt es ploetzlich zwei mal, wenn man sie in
dieses Taggingschema zwaengt (z.B. "New Yorker" am Westbahnhof).
Selbst die Umrisse von Liften werden einzeln als Ways eingezeichnet.
usw...

Das Ergebnis ist ein kaum wartbarer Bahnhof, der von einem Anfaenger
schon gar nicht, und auch von einem erfahrenen Mapper kaum bearbeitet
werden kann (aber ich hoers schon kommen: "wenn man JOSM verwendet,
mit zig Plugins, und auf die layer filtert, dann ists doch ganz
einfach"). Kommt irgend ein Geschaeft hinzu, waer meine Motivation da
was nachzutragen auch sehr gering: anstatt einfach einen neuen Node
hineinzusetzen soll ich jetzt sinnlos Ways aufsplitten und neue
hinzufuegen, und waere am Schluss immer noch mit dem Resultat
unzufrieden, weil ich genau weiss, dass die Genauigkeit, die man
durchs Mapping per Way vortaeuscht, nicht zu erreichen ist, und das
3x4 Meter grosse Standl in dem Gebaeude einige Meter wo anderst steht.

Das OSM Datenmodell ist fuer Indoor-Mapping einfach ungeeignet, dafuer
haette man aber nicht alle Bahnhoefe umkrempeln muessen, nachdem das
TU-Wien Hauptgebaeude vor einigen Jahren in einen unglaublich
grausigen Zustand versetzt wurde, war das doch eh schon klar.

Mentz wird wohl irgendeinen Nutzen von einem solchen Mapping haben,
aber hat der grosse Rest der Mapper/Datennutzer was davon? Ausser
einem irrsinnigen Mehraufwand bei selbst kleinen Aenderungen, dem
Versprechen dass es irgendwann, moeglicherweise aber auch nie, ein
ganz, ganz tolles Indoor-Fussgaenger-Routing geben wird, und
falschen/duplizierten POIs (siehe New Yorker Beispiel oben).

lg,
Jens

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.at/6648

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] new wiki page ODbL compatibility of common licenses

[Richard Fairhurst]

dieterdreist wrote:
> Following a thread on the OSMF-talk list, I am kindly asking you to 
> review and improve a new wiki page that tries to give an overview 
> about the compatibility of common licenses with the ODbL and CT:

This is really good. Thanks, Martin.

cheers
Richard



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Re: [Talk-es] Patrimonio Digital

[Gus Urban]

http://www.koluel.org/neatline

saludos
Gus

El 18 de enero de 2016, 17:30, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro <
malop...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Hola,
>
> al final he empezado a montarlo con Mapbox, el problema es que me dan
> 50.000 visualizaciones de mapa y luego es de pago.
>
> Os enseño lo que estoy haciendo para que veáis la idea:
>
> http://mapa.patrimoniodigital.es/
>
> Saludos!
>
>
> El 10 ene 2016, a las 16:40, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro <
> malop...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Jose Alberto,
>
> muchas gracias por el dato. He estado leyendo acerca de leaflet y tiene
> muy buena pinta.
>
> Voy a avanzar con ello.
>
> De nuevo gracias y saludos,
>
> Miguel Angel
>
>
> El 10 ene 2016, a las 14:10, Jose Alberto Gonzalez von Schmeling <
> joseg...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Claro que si. Solamente deberías de usar una librería de mapas que
> contiene OSM. Podes usar leaflet o OL3.
>
> saludos, jose
>
> El 10 de enero de 2016, 08:32, Miguel Angel Lopez Navarro<
> malop...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Mi nombre es Miguel Angel López. Estoy escaneando esculturas y monumentos
>> de la ciudad de Sevilla. Una vez tengo el modelo escaneado genero un
>> fichero 3D, bien para visualización interactiva o bien para descargar.
>>
>> Me gustaría ir posicionando los monumentos ya escaneados en un mapa, para
>> ello me gustaría que saliera un icono específico y al pincha en el se
>> desplegara un pequeño layer por encima del mapa y poder generar yo el
>> contenido de ese layer desde mi base de datos. No me importa si es con un
>> iframe, por ejemplo.
>>
>> Es esto posible con Open Street Map?
>>
>> gracias y saludos!
>>
>> Miguel Angel López
>> www.patrimoniodigital.es
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Schools Project

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I didn't realise just how poor our schools data is! It looks good on the
standard map but Robert's tool just amazes me about how much work there is
to do even in what we thinkof as well-mapped areas. I'm concentrating on
tidying up South Birmingham data and Dudley, with a few forays into
Herefordshire and Warwickshire to vary the mix.  Great to see a project
really take off at last!

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-cz] Silnice se v zimě neudržuje

[Pavel Machek]

Ahoj!

> Jde nějak do mapy zanést že se silnice v zimě neudržuje? Hledal jsem, ale nic 
> jsem nenašel.
> 
> Jel jsem totiž s rodinou o víkendu do Karlova a zkusil jsem důvěřovat OSM 
> navigaci. Ovšem některé úseky byli fakt
> výživné. Algoritmus navigace přirozeně vybíral silnice vyšší třídy, což bylo 
> fajn. Ovšem po cestě bylo několik cedulí
> "Silnice se v zimě neudržuje" a fakt nekecali. Kdybychom jeli po poli tak by 
> to asi vyšlo na stejno. Prostě 20 cm
> udusaného sněhu. Vyjeté koleje tam sice byli, ale v nich se udusaný sníh 
> postupným zahříváním a ochlazováním přeměnil na
> led, což jenom umocňovalo řidický zážitek.

No, ja jsem takhle jednou skoncil s autem lezicim na brise.. Na ty
silnici bylo snad pul metru snehu. Okolo sel pan, rikal ze dal je metr
a pul. A nebyl jsem jedinej, proti me "zaparkovalo" dalsi auto. Musel
jsem do nejblizsi vesnice pro lopatu... Stredni cechy, nekde u Rican...

> Abych se vrátil k tématu - typickým přikladem je tohle místo
>   http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.9701/17.3148
> Silnice 445 (2. tř) je ve směru od Malé Morávky udržována a krásně sjízdná. 
> Nad Dolní Moravicí uhýbá na západ. Na jih
> pokračuje silnice 3. třídy 37020.
> V reálu to vypadá jako by to bylo naopak. Upravovaná silnice pokračuje na jih 
> a na západ odbočuje silnice která je jen
> prohrnutá a kde musíte razantně zpomalit pokud nechcete skončit v příkopu.

Nejbliz je asi

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability

takze "trafficability=unmaintained_in_winter" ?

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