Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
2010/1/4 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com mailto:snow...@gmx.com wrote: and always takes the speed up to the next step for a simulation. So if maxspeed=50 or maxspeed=60, then 70 km/h is simulated. 70 and 80 get simulated as 90, and so on. Bizarre. Any idea why? I suppose one possibility is an imperial/metric conversion error in firmware. I've read elsewhere that the Garmin speed steps are various multiples of 10 miles/hour. The ones I'm seeing aren't - they're rounded to the metric system. Seems like a suggested speed value rather than a max speed value... ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/4 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? The name? Such and such state park Such and such national park? State forests are usually state owned logging areas. Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow Not all national parks are wooded, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson_Desert_National_Park me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National park is totally different from a State Park in terms of what can/not be done. It would also That's a land use issue... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? The name? Such and such state park Such and such national park? State forests are usually state owned logging areas. Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow Not all national parks are wooded, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson_Desert_National_Park me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National park is totally different from a State Park in terms of what can/not be done. It would also That's a land use issue... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. Norfolk Island and Christmas Island most of those are tagged as Australian external territories, but not tagged with a state tag. Jervis Bay is tagged as federal territory, not state... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks Steve, Ok, I linked to the document directly via a Google search, and then didn't see the copyright at the bottom when I looked for that link to post. Might ring BMCC to see what data they have to share. Regards, Michael Write (snail mail, or email) and await a reply. Small rural councils have been very happy to share information with me. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: State forests are usually state owned logging areas. here they aren't used for logging, they are actually areas of remnant vegetation without the difficulties of use encountered in National Parks. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. Norfolk Island and Christmas Island most of those are tagged as Australian external territories, but not tagged with a state tag. Jervis Bay is tagged as federal territory, not state... -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. I was just pointing out they were outside territory of the states, and listed as federal/capital territory, even if the national park doesn't take up the entire area... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't. Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. I was just pointing out they were outside territory of the states, and listed as federal/capital territory, even if the national park doesn't take up the entire area... -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jim Croft wrote: I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... now that is against the spirit of the OSM wiki isn't it? you can't use any outside material. it must be copyright so we will invent our own classification :^ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't. Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... There is, was posted to this list just after data.australia.gov.au went online with the national parks etc data... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
ok - world database of protected areas - database is available for download http://www.wdpa.org/ it's a UN thing so it is almost certainly available for public use in a (c) sense. the IUCN management categories are here http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/categories/index.html jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jim Croft wrote: I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... now that is against the spirit of the OSM wiki isn't it? you can't use any outside material. it must be copyright so we will invent our own classification :^ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines as to how to add them to OSM, without success. Any suggestions? Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
Thanks All, The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some mapping done at the same time. Regards, Michael On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks Steve, Ok, I linked to the document directly via a Google search, and then didn't see the copyright at the bottom when I looked for that link to post. Might ring BMCC to see what data they have to share. Regards, Michael Write (snail mail, or email) and await a reply. Small rural councils have been very happy to share information with me. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
2010/1/4 Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com: I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines as to how to add them to OSM, without success. Any suggestions? tourism=attraction? or as a route, type=route, route=pub_crawl :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National park is totally different from a State Park in terms of what can/not be done. It would also be good to link the polygons off to the relevant web site (such as www.parkweb.vic.gov.au in the case of Victoria). This issue isn't as simple as stipulating a manager because some National Parks not managed by Parks Victoria etc. Thoughts? Cheers In Victoria the National Parks Act 1975 (NPA) describes a number of different land tenures: National Parks State Parks (to all intents identical in terms of what can be done/ not done to NPs by regulation) Marine National Parks Marine Sanctuaries and a couple of others. The boundaries of the parks are described by a combination of the Act and the Certified Plan of each park. DSE website (www.dse.vic.gov.au) has PDF copies of the Cert plans. In Victoria all scheduled parks under the NPA are managed by Parks Victoria. There are a large number of other reserves with varying descriptors that are managed by PV. These are described by a wide range of Victorian legislation. To simply matter there is a master spatial dataset that describes each reserve/park and its boundaries for all of Victoria (ParkRes). I'd try getting hold of that via means legitimate. Write to DSE as the data custodian and see how you go. You could ask for Crown land tenure while you are at it. To see this data in a spatial format go to DSE online mapping applications and have a look at the data there. eg: http://nremap-sc.nre.vic.gov.au/MapShare.v2/imf.jsp?site=forestexplorer I'd echo others that the best way of identifying land tenure in the case of protected areas is by name. I'd stay away from the detail of zoning (what you can and cannot do ) within parks until the day comes all the boundaries are shown!The situation gets more confusing as the international use of National Park can cover all sorts of land tenure (Including private land) Ditto with other conventions. Write to me directly for more info. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: 2010/1/4 Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com: I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines as to how to add them to OSM, without success. Any suggestions? tourism=attraction? or as a route, type=route, route=pub_crawl :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au I live next to a winery (literally) and its mapped attraction. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks All, The son needs to get his driving hours up, might be a good way to get some mapping done at the same time. Regards, Michael We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
Hi All, I edited this road a few days ago and it doesn't seem to have worked correctly. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.687934lon=150.548708zoom=18layers=B000FTFT Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a bit longer? Thanks, Michael ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
2010/1/4 Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com: Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a bit longer? There is nothing wrong with what you did, however the code to refresh the cache only works on nodes, and if there is no node on a tile it won't expire the tile, you can force a tile to be redrawn by right clicking on the tile and view image, then add /dirty to the end of the URL. Then it's just a case of forcing your local image to refresh, hitting the back button and then hitting ctrl+shift+refresh usually works... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Hi All, I edited this road a few days ago and it doesn't seem to have worked correctly. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.687934amp;lon=150.548708amp;zoom=18 amp;layers=B000FTFT Is there a problem with what I did or do I need to just wait a bit longer? Thanks, I think you either wait longer or add a /dirty tag to the end of the url. Please map the roundabout as a roundabout, not as one of those pesky mini- roundabout things, though. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I think you either wait longer or add a /dirty tag to the end of the url. Please map the roundabout as a roundabout, not as one of those pesky mini- roundabout things, though. I'm trying to remember where it was, some where near Lismore but it had one of those UK roundabouts, one painted on the road... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
Thanks John Liz, That fixed it and I now understand the issue. Re the mini roundabout. I will have a go at it, but I didn't want to touch it. Regards, Michael On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I think you either wait longer or add a /dirty tag to the end of the url. Please map the roundabout as a roundabout, not as one of those pesky mini- roundabout things, though. I'm trying to remember where it was, some where near Lismore but it had one of those UK roundabouts, one painted on the road... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Michael Hampson wrote: Thanks John Liz, That fixed it and I now understand the issue. Re the mini roundabout. I will have a go at it, but I didn't want to touch it. Regards, Michael Be brave nothing ventured, nothing gained. a circular way (usually) one way (get that bit right) highway=type junction=roundabout may have a name, but not often join the other roads on ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Dale hang...@fastmail.fm wrote: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National park is totally different from a State Park in terms of what can/not be done. It would also be good to link the polygons off to the relevant web site (such as www.parkweb.vic.gov.au in the case of Victoria). This issue isn't as simple as stipulating a manager because some National Parks not managed by Parks Victoria etc. Thoughts? Cheers Boy, the replies to this question were seriously off-base. Ok, there are a few issues. First, natural= just describes what's on the land, like trees or not, so isn't useful. The right tag would be something like landuse=reserve, although this appears to be still under debate: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nature_reserve Separately there is the question of how to distinguish state parks from national parks etc. I don't think there's a proper tag for this yet, but if there were, it might be nature_reserve=state_park. Presumably most countries have something equivalent. I would be less interested in tagging who manages it, and more interested in tagging the legislation that appears to it. Afaik, national park has a specific legal meaning, even if all Victiorion NPs are managed by Parks Victoria etc. So far I've been tagging them fairly indiscriminately as leisure=park, but giving them the full title in their name, on the basis that it will be fairly easy to mass update them once we work out an appropriate tagging scheme. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
Maybe tourism=attraction and shop=alcohol. Sounds like a more specific tag would be useful though, as you could definitely imagine a grape icon or something being rendered. Maybe propose tourism=winery somewhere. And tourism=brewery while at it. Steve On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com wrote: I have a small, but growing, collection of winery cellar doors, mainly in Tasmania. (It is an ambition of mine to visit every cellar door in Tas. Trouble is, they open new ones faster than we can get round them.) I have searched for any guidelines as to how to add them to OSM, without success. Any suggestions? Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The question is, should we move highway= onto the relation for all relations? There's probably a fix for Mapnik to save editing every relation we've done, so I've added a ticket to OSM. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 Without having thought this through much, I think it would probably be a good thing if renderers distinguished as little as possible between properties on ways and properties on relations. Sometimes it seems like you need to tag both to cover all your bases, and that can create a mess. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
On 04/01/2010, at 9:57 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: . Ok, there are a few issues. First, natural= just describes what's on the land, like trees or not, so isn't useful. The right tag would be something like landuse=reserve, although this appears to be still under debate: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nature_reserve I've been using boundary=national_park[0] for these, even if they're not strictly National Parks (e.g. state reserves, forest reserves, etc). I would be less interested in tagging who manages it, and more interested in tagging the legislation that appears to it. Afaik, national park has a specific legal meaning, even if all Victiorion NPs are managed by Parks Victoria etc. My understanding is that National Parks fall under commonwealth legislation and the others under various pieces of state legislation. Coming up with a consistent tagging is going to be all sorts of fun due to the differences between places. Tasmania for example has 7 different types of reserve[1] plus all the other parks and marine areas, and Victoria has 14 in total[2]. Maybe something like park=au.tas:game_reserve? So far I've been tagging them fairly indiscriminately as leisure=park, but giving them the full title in their name, on the basis that it will be fairly easy to mass update them once we work out an appropriate tagging scheme. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dnational_park [1] http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/index.aspx?base=5710 [2] http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1parks.cfm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers
On 04/01/2010, at 5:19 PM, Mark Pulley wrote: The question is, should we move highway= onto the relation for all relations? There's probably a fix for Mapnik to save editing every relation we've done, so I've added a ticket to OSM. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 I wouldn't generally add highway=* to the relation for the simple reason that it has to work without it there - there are many routes which consist of various roads of different classifications, so you can't have a single value for the highway tag. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Error with Grose Rd Faulconbridge NSW
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: a circular way (usually) Usually square or octagon seems to be common :) one way (get that bit right) This should be assumed, after all, how many roundabouts are 2 way? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. I don't even put my name on them. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. Do you have a copy of this online? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
2010/1/4 Liz ed...@billiau.net: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. Just don't ask about UN clinics... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wonderfullyrich/diary/9136 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. Do you have a copy of this online? Not something I've ever set myself up to do, although I could investigate. I could send you the OpenOffice document if you can read it (for an A4 sheet of business cards). OpenOffice also lets me save it as a Word document, although that may or may not mangle in the process. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Liz wrote: We've considered putting L plates on the car to explain our erratic driving habits - stopping suddenly at intersections, taking all the dead ends and turning at the ends, doing loops around roundabouts and generally going slow. I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. Do you have a copy of this online? Not something I've ever set myself up to do, although I could investigate. I could send you the OpenOffice document if you can read it (for an A4 sheet of business cards). OpenOffice also lets me save it as a Word document, although that may or may not mangle in the process. OOo format will be fine, although openoffice can export as a PDF... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea if/how/where to get this info for other states? For QLD, a quick search suggests perhaps these sites, as a start: http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/en/Driving-in-Queensland.aspx (includes Guide to Queensland Roads and Points of interest files) http://www.qldmotorways.com.au/ontheroad/ournetwork/maps.aspx (links to maps of Brisbane motorways with labelled on/offramps, and a map of the Australian Toll Road Network) Note: A quick search didn't turn up nice csv files (but they may be in there somewhere), and I'm not sure about licensing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes
2010/1/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Maybe it's wrong of me to assume that most of the major ways in Brisbane would have been done to death, but now that I think about it I don't think all the exits are tagged etc.. exit numbers that is, I'm pretty sure the exits themselves have been vectorised... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think it would probably be a good thing if renderers distinguished as little as possible between properties on ways and properties on relations. +1. Tagging the way should override the tag on the relation, where applicable (which should address James' concern). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers
2010/1/5 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think it would probably be a good thing if renderers distinguished as little as possible between properties on ways and properties on relations. +1. Tagging the way should override the tag on the relation, where applicable (which should address James' concern). This already does happen, you have to tag the ways of state/country borders with admin_level=4 etc or the state borders don't show up properly. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:22 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The reason I ask is someone mentioned the info was from an internal document... No, the Vic stuff is from the web. Maybe it's wrong of me to assume that most of the major ways in Brisbane would have been done to death I personally wouldn't assume that. Anyway, the Main Roads map covers all of QLD. Not sure that CSV would be the best format for this kind of thing, considering how complex the information could be. Really? Creating a table of routes is easiest from CSV... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes
2010/1/5 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Really? Creating a table of routes is easiest from CSV... The routes themselves maybe, but then you have exits, sections of speed limits, and a lot of general meta data... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Major improvements to MapOSMatic
-- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Petazzoni thomas.petazz...@enix.org Date: 2010/1/5 Subject: [OSM-dev] Major improvements to MapOSMatic To: d...@openstreetmap.org Cc: d...@maposmatic.org Hello, As a new year's present, the MapOSMatic team is proud to announce that a new version of the maposmatic.org website has been put online, with major improvements over the initial version announced in September 2009. For the record, MapOSMatic is a website that allows to generate city maps from OpenStreetMap data. Each map is divided into squares to easily find streets and is delivered with the corresponding street index. The new MapOSMatic provides the following improvements : * Support for the whole world. Any location in the world can now be rendered on maposmatic.org. * OpenStreetMap database updated daily. Until now, the database had never been updated since the service was started in September 2009. Now, the geographic database used to render the maps is updated daily, providing maps with the latest contributions to OpenStreetMap. Each map contains the date at which it was generated. * Better city search engine. Thanks to Nominatim, we now provide a search engine that allows to find cities in a much more usable way: cities with the same name can be distinguished and the search works even when the city name is not completely correct. * Support for other languages. A few parts of the map rendering process is language-dependent and we now have the infrastructure to use language-dependent code. For the moment, we support English, French and Italian, but we are waiting for your contributions to support other languages. The website has also been translated to German and Italian. * Amenities in the index. In addition to the streets, we have added important amenities to the index: schools, town hall, post offices, places of worship, etc. All these improvements are available now on http://www.maposmatic.org You can follow the progress and improvements of MapOSMatic on our blog at http://news.maposmatic.org. MapOSMatic is of course free software, you can fetch its source code and contribute to the project, see http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/maposmatic/. Do not hesitate to send us your feedback, comments, suggestions and contributions to cont...@maposmatic.org. Cheers, The MapOSMatic team -- Thomas Petazzoni http://thomas.enix.org Promouvoir et défendre le Logiciel Libre http://www.april.org Logiciels Libres à Toulouse http://www.toulibre.org ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes
The info should be available in other states form your roads authority. It would be easiest to create from a CSV, but as previous discussed there may be copyright issues. I manually compiled the list from the stated sources referenced both sources. Don't assume anything when it comes to the accuracy of attributing. I have found many attributing errors by accident. With so many people editing the data there are bound to be mistakes (and I am positive that I have made mistakes as well). Not passing judgement on mappers in any way - we are all human :) 2010/1/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2010/1/5 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Really? Creating a table of routes is easiest from CSV... The routes themselves maybe, but then you have exits, sections of speed limits, and a lot of general meta data... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
As Jim points out this is a 'hairy' issue (having had some experience with it when working in the Victoria state government). The name is not sufficient to distinguish the different categories of parks/reserves etc. John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural tag, but natural=what? A standard for a jurisdiction tag is one element. I think we also need to add a type tag ie type=National Park. Will take a look on data.australia.gov.au and see if I can find the classification and then post it on the wiki. cheers 2010/1/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't. Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... There is, was posted to this list just after data.australia.gov.au went online with the national parks etc data... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural tag, but natural=what? Depends what's on the ground, I'm guessing simpson desert would be natural=sand... A standard for a jurisdiction tag is one element. I think we also need to I might be wrong, but shouldn't jurisdiction have it's own polygon boundary? That is, it would be an inner boundary for what ever state, and outer boundary for itself, or federal or ... add a type tag ie type=National Park. Will take a look on data.australia.gov.au and see if I can find the classification and then post it on the wiki. The classification stuff was posted to this list, not from data.australia.gov.au, it turned up when someone went looking on how to tag these areas. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
Liz wrote: On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: It also didn't appear on my Garmin when I approached it. No idea how to get these show up on garmin's, although I'm guessing as some kind of POI that will give you warnings when you are coming close to them. They are in a binary file which can be edited in some POI uploader and then transferred to the Garmin under Windows, as I recall. This is a good intro to custom POIs: http://home.comcast.net/~ghayman3/garmin.gps/pagepoi.06.htm#newbiepoi John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, John Henderson wrote: Liz wrote: On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, John Smith wrote: It also didn't appear on my Garmin when I approached it. No idea how to get these show up on garmin's, although I'm guessing as some kind of POI that will give you warnings when you are coming close to them. They are in a binary file which can be edited in some POI uploader and then transferred to the Garmin under Windows, as I recall. This is a good intro to custom POIs: http://home.comcast.net/~ghayman3/garmin.gps/pagepoi.06.htm#newbiepoi John The hassle with those custom POIs is needing the windows stuff to upload them. Otherwise making the list from OSM data is a programming job. -- Q: What do you call 15 blondes in a circle? A: A dope ring. Q: Why do blondes put their hair in ponytails? A: To cover up the valve stem. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping progress in Victoria
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: progress of mapping. While it is easy to say this area is complete there Most comments on an area being done, is usually about small towns that have had all the roads tagged, but I doubt anyone has claimed all the roads in Victoria are done :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
2010/1/5 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: The hassle with those custom POIs is needing the windows stuff to upload them. Otherwise making the list from OSM data is a programming job. Garmin POI format looks like an icon file + csv file inside a zip file... http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/en/Driving-in-Queensland/Maps/Points-of-interest-files.aspx ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
Elizabeth Dodd wrote: The hassle with those custom POIs is needing the windows stuff to upload them. Otherwise making the list from OSM data is a programming job. I haven't found the need to load POIs from OSM into either of my Garmin units (Nuvi 1250 and PGSmap 76 CSx) yet. The OSM maps in Garmin format already fully integrate the POIs. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: The OSM maps in Garmin format already fully integrate the POIs. But do they give you proximity warnings? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural tag, but natural=what? This has been discussed several times on the main list. The problem is that landuse is used for two (sometimes contradictory) purposes - what is one the ground (cover) and what it is used for (use). Some landuse tags are one, some the other, some are both. There is a bit of a push to try and sort this out, but nothing has come of it yet that I know about. For large parks, I would think that you would want to map the boundaries as an admin boundary, and the landuse of the various parts of the park as a separate issue. It's not uncommon to have a single large batch of trees, some of which are in a park and some not, or in a separate park (eg one national and one state). And to have various parts of a park to have different landuse - recreation areas, natural preserves, etc. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping progress in Victoria
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a table summarising the length of roads by postcode. The table compares the State Government data with OSM data (from cloudmade). This is great. May I ask where it is? (I thought you may have added it to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
Thanks to all who made suggestions. I know I should should propose a new tag, but I really don't have the aptitude, inclination, or time for that right now. Unless someone screams "No!" I am going to do what someone has done before me (only 3 instances in tagwatch AFIK) and use tourism=winery without any formalisation. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... Maybe propose tourism=winery somewhere. And tourism=brewery while at it. And if you think these new tags describe the feature well, propose them AND just start using them as well as the established tags. Maybe tourism=attraction + attraction=winery? (you could add attraction=winery to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:attraction) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Ian Callahan wrote: Thanks to all who made suggestions. I know I should should propose a new tag, but I really don't have the aptitude, inclination, or time for that right now. Unless someone screams No! I am going to do what someone has done before me (only 3 instances in tagwatch AFIK) and use tourism=winery without any formalisation. because the proposal of tags business is really complicated and when you walk down a main street and photograph every shop front you can only list half with ready made tags, the rest I just invent and wait is a lawyer's office an amenity? is an accountant's office an office? the only thing to add about winery tag is that some are large industrial enterprises so an additional sort of tag which expresses it being industrial could also be considered. There are no industrial type tags at all - obviously no blue collar types in OSM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping progress in Victoria
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia/Road_progress It is mentioned under major highways / roads 2010/1/5 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a table summarising the length of roads by postcode. The table compares the State Government data with OSM data (from cloudmade). This is great. May I ask where it is? (I thought you may have added it to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: There are no industrial type tags at all - obviously no blue collar types in OSM More likely no use cases: can you really imagine driving along and thinking you know, I really need a place that manufactures large copper pipes right now. Or take me to the nearest steelworks! Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
John Smith wrote: 2010/1/5 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: The OSM maps in Garmin format already fully integrate the POIs. But do they give you proximity warnings? No, I realised that fully was a mistake after I sent that. What I should have said is that OSM POIs all come up under Points of Interest in the same way as the ones in the Garmin maps do. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: Mapping progress in Victoria
They include all ways, not just vehicular roads. Essentially the State Government layer also contains some non-vehicular ways as well, so it is difficult to compare apples with apples. Would be easy enough to do for other states, just need to find someone who has access to the State Government data set some knowledge of data processing. Cheers, Craig 2010/1/5 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:24 +1100, Craig Feuerherdt wrote: I have created a table summarising the length of roads by postcode. The table compares the State Government data with OSM data (from cloudmade). I realise there will be anomalies in the table due to a range of factors. The table is more to highlight areas of the state that require work. There is a little bit of work to do - about 273,000km more roads to map. Just out of interest, when you say 'length of roads', do you mean the length of all ways in that postcode, or only ways labelled as trunk, residential, etc, but excluding cycleways and paths? Also, do these figures include off-road tracks? You could find some of the 'overmapped' areas, contain lots of off-road tracks. Very interesting figures though, and Id love to see if such figures could be generated for other parts of the country. It would be good if the analysis was done annually so we can see the progress. Will make myself a task :) Even more frequently, monthly for example would give a good indication of the progress as it happens. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I could well imagine a truck driver being sent to pick up materials from an industrial area and needing suitable maps. While the 'nearest steelworks' idea wouldnt really happen, I think a truck driver would make use of routing directions to xyz steelworks or a Shell fuel depot or similar. Yes, we should label businesses. That's different from describing the type of industry. Roy: OSM isn't just about routing for drivers. Capture the world in a database, and the use cases will follow. You're *still* trying to convince me of this? Give it up, Roy. I'm mapping for the present, and for the forseeable future, not the dim distant vapourware future. If you're happy throwing data into a database in the hope that one day software will materialise that will make sense of it, more power to you. I'm not interested in doing things that way. I just don't believe things work that way. Sorry. Please do not try and convince me otherwise. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
I am well aware of the issues between contradictory use of the term landuse. I am currently involved in a project with the State Government re setting up a Land Use Information System. The definitions they have adopted are as follows; *Land use* - Land use means the purpose to which the land cover is committed. Some land uses, such as agriculture, have a characteristic land cover pattern. These usually appear in land cover classifications. Other land uses, such as nature conservation, are not readily discriminated by a characteristic land cover pattern. For example, where the land cover is woodland, land use may be timber production or nature conservation. *Land tenure* - Tenure is the form of an interest in land. Some forms of tenure (such as pastoral leases or nature conservation reserves) relate directly to land use and land management practice. *Land cover* - Land cover refers to the physical surface of the earth, including various combinations of vegetation types, soils, exposed rocks and water bodies as well as anthropogenic elements, such as agriculture and built environments. Land cover classes can usually be discriminated by characteristic patterns using remote sensing. *Land management practice* - Land management practice means the approach taken to achieve a land use outcome - the 'how' of land use (eg cultivation practices, such as minimum tillage and direct drilling). Some land management practices, such as stubble disposal practices and tillage rotation systems, may be discriminated by characteristic land cover patterns and linked to particular issues. *FROM: Guidelines for land use mapping in Australia: principles, procedures and definitions, Edition 3, Commonwealth of Australia, 2006* I believe the Australian guidelines have been derived from international guidelines. The natural= and landuse= tags are confusing on the wiki as they switch between land use and land cover (as defined above). It would be good to document the Australian definition of the current tags so we get some consistency. I am happy to start something if others wish to contribute. For the purpose of OSM I believe land use and land cover are the 2 important things. (Not too fussed with land cover at this stage, more interested in defining the boundary of the parks). I am happy to attribute polygons as generic administrative boundaries for the moment as we can always come back and attribute them as National, State etc parks later. Craig 2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags. landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural tag, but natural=what? This has been discussed several times on the main list. The problem is that landuse is used for two (sometimes contradictory) purposes - what is one the ground (cover) and what it is used for (use). Some landuse tags are one, some the other, some are both. There is a bit of a push to try and sort this out, but nothing has come of it yet that I know about. For large parks, I would think that you would want to map the boundaries as an admin boundary, and the landuse of the various parts of the park as a separate issue. It's not uncommon to have a single large batch of trees, some of which are in a park and some not, or in a separate park (eg one national and one state). And to have various parts of a park to have different landuse - recreation areas, natural preserves, etc. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.comwrote: I believe the Australian guidelines have been derived from international guidelines. The natural= and landuse= tags are confusing on the wiki as they switch between land use and land cover (as defined above). It would be good to document the Australian definition of the current tags so we get some consistency. I am happy to start something if others wish to contribute. For the purpose of OSM I believe land use and land cover are the 2 important things. (Not too fussed with land cover at this stage, more interested in defining the boundary of the parks). I am happy to attribute polygons as generic administrative boundaries for the moment as we can always come back and attribute them as National, State etc parks later. That all looks pretty sensible, though not sure whether land management concerns us. Please do set up a list in the wiki giving some suggested tags that we can argue over. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. I don't even put my name on them. Heh, I should do that. I haven't been questioned yet, but have had a few very odd looks when riding around dead-end laneways, gps in hand... Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:02 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: No, I realised that fully was a mistake after I sent that. What I should have said is that OSM POIs all come up under Points of Interest in the same way as the ones in the Garmin maps do. Yeah, I'm impressed how well that worked. I love it when stuff just works. Although the gf was unimpressed when searching for Howard St all she could find was Howard's Storage World. user error, shall we say. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.
2010/1/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yes, we should label businesses. That's different from describing the type of industry. Both pieces of information are important, knowing both what it does and what it's called. You're *still* trying to convince me of this? Give it up, Roy. I'm mapping for the present, and for the forseeable future, not the dim distant vapourware future. If you're happy throwing data into a database in the hope that one day software will materialise that will make sense of it, more power to you. I'm not interested in doing things that way. I just don't believe things work that way. Sorry. Please do not try and convince me otherwise. Well stop trying to convince others to see things your way, you were trying to limit what people were doing in another thread and you're still doing it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
