Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > > What happens when you run out of osm coverage? > > > When you run out of OSM data you start making your own > :) > > Definitely, but the end user gets annoyed when there is no > map. When looking for something else I found this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth Which replaced srtm2osm apparently, but can be used to convert DEM information to OSM format, and then you can feed both the OSM data + it into navit format. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: > I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a > digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage? to use a digital topo map with navit you would build it into the garmin format img file and then use that tangogps doesn't have the choice of adding topo but on the other hand you can update a few tiles at a time (it took me ages to figure it out, but its possible.) so if the modem is working and i have phone coverage i get more tiles on the road with GPRS navit - you put all of australia on at once. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Yes 1.6Gb of osm text file but it's about 50M-60M when put > into a pgsql database. What are you doing that I'm not? On the map server I setup, there is currently 3.2G of postgres database files. > Once setup there really is no maintenance, it's only when > you want to update the osmdata that you have to load the new > data. Same as navit and tangogps really. tangogps just pulls map tiles, it doesn't use any osm data directly, as for navit, there is an osm2navit app that converts the 1.6G osm file into some kind of binary format, but that's it you don't need to do anything else at that point, just download a new binary file if someone else is building it, which I'm trying to figure out how at the moment. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:06:02 + (GMT) John Smith wrote: > > There are also capabilities which are builtin which really > > have no use to 95% of users eg, friendsd, kismet. I'd > > be happy to drop those and have done so in my own > > system. Really the program needs to be more > > modularised so that only those parts required by the user > > are added. > > That does seem a tad strange, since anyone using debian can easily install > kismet and what not if they want it. Yes but I'm talking about the parts in gpsdrive that use these, not the actual packages. If you don't want them then it should be able to be installed without them. > > I've got 4.1Gb total used out of 16Gb. I know the 701 > > only has 4Gb but my install includes wine with Champainge > > The 701SD comes in an 8G model too, I am some what paranoid when it comes to > putting sensitive info on devices and computers so I end up encrypting most > of it most of the time, in this case the OS is on an unencrypted partition > and /home is encrypted. I was looking at the possibility of install on a machine with 4Gb ssd only. I just don't put sensitive info on devices. > I'm concerned about the use of pgsql/postgis as the database backend, since > all of Australia/NZ bbox is about 1.6G of data normally, where as navit ends > up using a 50M file for the same thing. Yes 1.6Gb of osm text file but it's about 50M-60M when put into a pgsql database. > That's fine if you have multiple users accessing a database, but I don't > think it's a sensible idea when it comes to single user satnav type systems. > I can see how this might have seemed like a good idea at some point, but it's > really going to dog it since you have to be some what equipped in running and > maintaining a full relational database. Once setup there really is no maintenance, it's only when you want to update the osmdata that you have to load the new data. Same as navit and tangogps really. Although I've put a lot of dev work into gpsdrive, I don't have much clout with what's used or what features are added. Next version may be a little different though as lots of the new features are items I've developed. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but > can you use a digital topo map with them? > What happens when you run out of osm coverage? Sorry missed this bit, I don't think they do image overlays, I could be wrong, but most satnav users only care about street maps + routing, topo info is more for people hiking up mountains. Different goals I guess. When you run out of OSM data you start making your own :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > That's one of the problems with the current deb > packages. Looks like I'm going to have to get a 701 > and try it out to see what these 89 packages are. I installed Lenny Debian, so getting a 701 probably won't help in that respect, apart from postgres it downloaded the openjava JRE even though I already had the sun jre installed, JOSM doesn't work at all with the open JRE that openoffice pulled down. In any case I'll email you the list off packages off list. > There are also capabilities which are builtin which really > have no use to 95% of users eg, friendsd, kismet. I'd > be happy to drop those and have done so in my own > system. Really the program needs to be more > modularised so that only those parts required by the user > are added. That does seem a tad strange, since anyone using debian can easily install kismet and what not if they want it. > The deb packages also try to install all osm icons whereas > we do not need the Japanese icons other than in Japan, and > now many people change their icon style once setup. It > should only install a basic package and then the user can > install others if they want to. That kind of thinking goes for OSM stuff in general, things like the validation plugin for example, and keepright checks. > I've got 4.1Gb total used out of 16Gb. I know the 701 > only has 4Gb but my install includes wine with Champainge The 701SD comes in an 8G model too, I am some what paranoid when it comes to putting sensitive info on devices and computers so I end up encrypting most of it most of the time, in this case the OS is on an unencrypted partition and /home is encrypted. > Flight Planner 500Mb and about 2Gb of music. So there > should be more than enough room to install on a small > machine. I'm concerned about the use of pgsql/postgis as the database backend, since all of Australia/NZ bbox is about 1.6G of data normally, where as navit ends up using a 50M file for the same thing. > I've been seriously considering branching of from the > current development and making a lighter package but it all > comes down to available time. Know the feeling. > I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but > can you use a digital topo map with them? > What happens when you run out of osm coverage? I haven't tested it, but it seems to have GPX logging as an option, the UI isn't the best so it's a bit quirky. > Also pgsql is very low in overhead and no different to > mysql and was selected because it was the database engine > used by osm. That's fine if you have multiple users accessing a database, but I don't think it's a sensible idea when it comes to single user satnav type systems. I can see how this might have seemed like a good idea at some point, but it's really going to dog it since you have to be some what equipped in running and maintaining a full relational database. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:41:41 + (GMT) John Smith wrote: > H, gpsdrive isn't very friendly for small systems... > > 0 upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 99.4MB of archives. > After this operation, 269MB of additional disk space will be used. > > Not really wanting to dig into why there is so many dependencies, but ... That's one of the problems with the current deb packages. Looks like I'm going to have to get a 701 and try it out to see what these 89 packages are. As there has been many changes of developers over particularly the last five years and the original developer is no longer involved, a lot of "dependencies" are still there but not actually required and that's part of the delay. There are also capabilities which are builtin which really have no use to 95% of users eg, friendsd, kismet. I'd be happy to drop those and have done so in my own system. Really the program needs to be more modularised so that only those parts required by the user are added. Thus the reason I recommend installing from svn as the deb packages are not really useful and then you can compile in only those parts you want. Not ideal but that's part of the joy of opensource. The deb packages also try to install all osm icons whereas we do not need the Japanese icons other than in Japan, and now many people change their icon style once setup. It should only install a basic package and then the user can install others if they want to. I have the 32gb sd card for the topo and gmaps only, if I did not want them I would not need it. On my eeePC 901 I've got 4.1Gb total used out of 16Gb. I know the 701 only has 4Gb but my install includes wine with Champainge Flight Planner 500Mb and about 2Gb of music. So there should be more than enough room to install on a small machine. While the program, when istalled correctly, works brilliantly, how to get it installed correctly for all users is part of the problem. I've been seriously considering branching of from the current development and making a lighter package but it all comes down to available time. Just spent most of today working with gpsdrive on the road and have about 250kms of new gps traces to upload to osm and discovered one thing I had forgotten about, the programs logging. It logs the gps position to a file continuously, as well as to the gpx file, so that even if for some reason you lose a gpx file you can still get your trace from that stored in the log file. I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage? Any way each to their own I just found that gpsdrive was better than the others when I first went looking. Also pgsql is very low in overhead and no different to mysql and was selected because it was the database engine used by osm. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz wrote: > i can see that this mess is big enough to warrant a > reinstall to lenny. You might have gotten further than I did, but debfoster got rid of most of the packages installed and I went back to about 1.7G used space installed of 2.1G+ Not sure where to publish my howto, will probably dump it to the debian wiki, but I tried to attach it, but yahoo is barfing atm. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > When pgsql needs to be installed and all the rest of the mapnik stuff I'm > starting to get concerned that there won't be enough space on my eeePC to > load the data for gpsdrive. I don't want to buy a 32G sd card just to have > mapping. and after all that putting on and putting off now the SD card and USB sticks don't get automounted. i can see that this mess is big enough to warrant a reinstall to lenny. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, John Smith wrote: > Try debfoster/deborphan... 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 120 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 376MB disk space will be freed. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz wrote: > apt-get autoremove then removed 26.8MB > which on the little machine is a luxury that cannot be > afforded Try debfoster/deborphan... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > I'm taking mine off > it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to > tangogps and navit yea when I saw the need for pgsql I'm borking too, too complicated and I don't see enough benefit over navit to be honest, it was much much easier to get up and running. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > I'm taking mine off > it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to > tangogps and navit yea when I saw the need for pgsql I'm borking too, too complicated and I don't see enough benefit over navit to be honest, it was much much easier to get up and running. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
When pgsql needs to be installed and all the rest of the mapnik stuff I'm starting to get concerned that there won't be enough space on my eeePC to load the data for gpsdrive. I don't want to buy a 32G sd card just to have mapping. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > database > I'm taking mine off > it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit apt-get autoremove then removed 26.8MB which on the little machine is a luxury that cannot be afforded ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > H, gpsdrive isn't very friendly for small systems... > > 0 upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 99.4MB of archives. > After this operation, 269MB of additional disk space will be used. > > Not really wanting to dig into why there is so many dependencies, but > ... database I'm taking mine off it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit -- You are the only person to ever get this message. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
H, gpsdrive isn't very friendly for small systems... 0 upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 99.4MB of archives. After this operation, 269MB of additional disk space will be used. Not really wanting to dig into why there is so many dependencies, but ... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz wrote: > i installed from deb following http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/debian.shtml > and got 2.10svn2451 Even better, I assumed there weren't any based on what Ross said in a previous email. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree > > it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per > > here: > > I'll try and build a i386 deb file from this, apart from lack of deb file > what else needs attending to to make it more user friendly? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au i installed from deb following http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/debian.shtml and got 2.10svn2451 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree > it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per > here: I'll try and build a i386 deb file from this, apart from lack of deb file what else needs attending to to make it more user friendly? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:02:55 +1000 Liz wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: > > The version is v2.10pre4 > > how do i get it to use OSM? > > > > after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software further, i got the > pre7svn installed > i managed to download some osm maps but it isn't 'user friendly' > i've tried downloading maps at varied scales but not been able to switch > between them afterwards Hi Liz, You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gpsdrive/index.php?title=8.04_manual It then runs mapnik to generate the maps on the fly. As for fitting on the screen try starting with the command: gpsdrive -M car This puts it into full screen mode as per here: http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode_mapnik.jpg -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Liz wrote: > after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software > further, i got the > pre7svn installed > i managed to download some osm maps but it isn't 'user > friendly' > i've tried downloading maps at varied scales but not been > able to switch > between them afterwards This is one thing navit has going for it, it doesn't need pre-generated map tiles, and the data file for it comes out tiny all things considered, I'm guessing if you converted the planet.osm file to navit format you'd be able to fit it on a single DVD, and possibly have room for a live ISO as well. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: > The version is v2.10pre4 > how do i get it to use OSM? > after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software further, i got the pre7svn installed i managed to download some osm maps but it isn't 'user friendly' i've tried downloading maps at varied scales but not been able to switch between them afterwards ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC > > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people > > At least with gpsdrive most of us speak english fairly well. > > gpsdrive currently does not have routing, however the next version will. > > I have it working on my version and waiting until 2.10 is completed then > will add it into the svn for version 3.0 > > It uses the gosmore routing and is intended that you can add any routing > engine you want. I downloaded gpsdrive, and it doesn't fit into the small screen size of the eeepc700 I persevered and have a fix but it downloaded an expedia "map" not an osm map I have lots of tiles for tangogps, but they are in a directory structure, and not suited to flat file like gpsdrive appears to use The version is v2.10pre4 how do i get it to use OSM? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sun, 19/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > It would be nice to have the deb install working perfectly, > but that's another issue, and is the main delay behind the > final release of 2.10 What issues specifically? Did they ask on a debian mailing list for help? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:34:51 + (GMT) John Smith wrote: > > --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > Here is a screen shot of gpsdrive in car mode. > > > > http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode.jpg > > Can you do one zoomed in on OSM street data and/or showing some kind of > navigation path? > Here: http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode_mapnik.jpg This shows all routing options turned on. The redline is direct to destination, the green line is the route, the top bar shows distance to next point and name of next turn point. It will zoom in two more levels from this one which will show all street names. This is the normal setup I use for mapping for osm, although generally without a route active. Swapping between osm and topo or gmaps is via the map control button. You can turn the buttons on or off as required, eg in mapnik mode the zoom buttons (ones with magnifying glass) are not really usefully so I tend to turn them off if I'm not likely to use the topo maps. This makes the rest of the buttons larger and easier to use on the touchscreen. If your not using routing then the route and navigation buttons can be turned off as well. Restart Track is the most useful as it saves the current track to a gpx file and starts a new track. These are time stamped gpx files so makes it really easy to keep track of whats where. Please note that this is not the 2.10pre7 version of gpsdrive, it is my working copy and has the routing functions and some other items I've added for myself. These have no effect on the display. Hopefully 2.10 will be complete shortly and we can move on to 3.0 and add the routing into the general release and several other nice to have items as well. It does not yet do turn by turn nav but I'm working on it when I get some spare time. The routing engine for this is gosmore. To get the functionality shown here you would need to compile from source which is not difficult, full details are here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gpsdrive/index.php?title=8.04_manual It would be nice to have the deb install working perfectly, but that's another issue, and is the main delay behind the final release of 2.10 -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sun, 19/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Here is a screen shot of gpsdrive in car mode. > > http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode.jpg Can you do one zoomed in on OSM street data and/or showing some kind of navigation path? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> > > > GPSdrive seems to be a bit lacking when it comes to the UI side of things, > > I haven't spent enough time with it I suppose... > > You need to start it in car mode. > > gpsdrive -M car > > This is specifically setup for touchscreens but also IMO gives the best > interface for all uses. Here is a screen shot of gpsdrive in car mode. http://www.4x4falcon.com/screenshots/gpsdrive_car_mode.jpg -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > > a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on > > IRC > > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking > > people > > I usually have no problems with dealing with people from Germany/Austria, > perhaps I should have been clearer in previous emails, but the comments I > made were more about German roads than because they were German. > > For example the highway refs would seem to be a lot more common in Germany > than Australia, which is why I wouldn't be able to get that warning ignored > by default. Same with junction names. I just remember being thought strange because someone from Australia could actually write in German but really they were very friendly -- He that is giddy thinks the world turns round. -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of the Shrew" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people > At least with gpsdrive most of us speak english fairly well. gpsdrive currently does not have routing, however the next version will. I have it working on my version and waiting until 2.10 is completed then will add it into the svn for version 3.0 It uses the gosmore routing and is intended that you can add any routing engine you want. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on > IRC > once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking > people I usually have no problems with dealing with people from Germany/Austria, perhaps I should have been clearer in previous emails, but the comments I made were more about German roads than because they were German. For example the highway refs would seem to be a lot more common in Germany than Australia, which is why I wouldn't be able to get that warning ignored by default. Same with junction names. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > Except the routing engine seems to need a little work. It told me to go > along Channon Street, go across to the wrong side of the road dual carriage > way so I could turn right onto Little Channon Street. > > http://osm.org/go/ueTQqCjj9-- > > Also any administrative boundaries marked as highway=* only show as > boundaries. > > http://osm.org/go/ueTSYWP0p- > > I'll file some bugs shortly... a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people -- BOFH excuse #377: Someone hooked the twisted pair wires into the answering machine. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> > http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit > > That looks the best alternative so far, haven't figured out > tts yet, and it's going to be a pain until debian releases > their next distro, but it does just work. Except the routing engine seems to need a little work. It told me to go along Channon Street, go across to the wrong side of the road dual carriage way so I could turn right onto Little Channon Street. http://osm.org/go/ueTQqCjj9-- Also any administrative boundaries marked as highway=* only show as boundaries. http://osm.org/go/ueTSYWP0p- I'll file some bugs shortly... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > If you browse up the directory structure there is also a data file for > Australia-Oceania... I've managed to get this going with both my garmin .img file and a .bin file made from the download website (once i turned off the 'use demo map' in the navit.xml file) -- You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit That looks the best alternative so far, haven't figured out tts yet, and it's going to be a pain until debian releases their next distro, but it does just work. > but if you follow those instructions you'll need to move to > Italy - you need > an alternate map If you browse up the directory structure there is also a data file for Australia-Oceania... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > How is the touch screen connected to the eee pc? > > USB connection. > > Takes a bit of calibrating to get it to work accurately but once setup > it's great. I saw one for sale on some site i visited recently, an extra to fit on the eeepc 330328408173 on ebay.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
>> > How is the touch screen connected to the eee pc? USB connection. Takes a bit of calibrating to get it to work accurately but once setup it's great. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
>> Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the >> base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. Best thing about this is that it displays the map as openstreetmap does as it uses the xml file from osm to generate the map. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
> > GPSdrive seems to be a bit lacking when it comes to the UI side of things, > I haven't spent enough time with it I suppose... You need to start it in car mode. gpsdrive -M car This is specifically setup for touchscreens but also IMO gives the best interface for all uses. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > you need > an alternate map http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ must work with flash, doesn't work in konqueror there is also Rana http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rana which I haven't tried ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > > on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for > > ageing eyes on that > > screen > > so now i use tangogps on the eeepc > > tangogps was the easiest to get up and running, but no routing which is a > shame but not a total loss. Although a 7" eeePC is not much more expensive > than a GPS nav unit, although missing a GPS receiver by default. > > navit doesn't seem to be in default deb repositories, will go hunting. It's in 'testing' > > Hopefully someone will come up with a "it just works" solution sooner > rather than later. http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit but if you follow those instructions you'll need to move to Italy - you need an alternate map -- They spell it "da Vinci" and pronounce it "da Vinchy". Foreigners always spell better than they pronounce. -- Mark Twain ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. or get gpsd working and install/enable the livegps plugin in JOSM, this has an option for centring on the current GPS location. I actually did this the other day, it's very hard to navigate or attempt to by this method. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Liz wrote: > on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for > ageing eyes on that > screen > so now i use tangogps on the eeepc tangogps was the easiest to get up and running, but no routing which is a shame but not a total loss. Although a 7" eeePC is not much more expensive than a GPS nav unit, although missing a GPS receiver by default. navit doesn't seem to be in default deb repositories, will go hunting. Hopefully someone will come up with a "it just works" solution sooner rather than later. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > In the sd card slot I have a 32gb card with all Australian > topo maps, plus g>map for the whole of > Australia at zoom 13. > > Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the > base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. > > I have it setup with mapnik generated maps as the default > and can swap to the topo or gmap as required, ie when I get > to an area with no/little osm data. > > The biggest advantage to this is that whilst mapping you > can see what has and hasn't been done. Unfortunately > it does not show the source type but I'm working on this. GPSdrive seems to be a bit lacking when it comes to the UI side of things, I haven't spent enough time with it I suppose... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Sat, 18/7/09, Andrew Laughton wrote: > I would be interested in seeing that. > Where is it. I have never managed to get gpsd to work. The hardest part is usually getting a kernel driver for the device, once you have some kind of /dev/ interface, all the devices I've tested so far show up as a ttyUSB0, it's a simple matter of doing: gpsd -n /dev/ttyUSB0 for example, then if you 'telnet localhost 2947' and type 'R=1' you should see NMEA strings being dumped as quickly as gpsd gets input. Alternatively you can do the same thing by using 'gpspipe -r' It looks like gpsd can handle multiple inputs, not sure if this is simultaneously or not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I would be interested in seeing that. Where is it. I have never managed to get gpsd to work. 2009/7/18 John Smith > > > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > wrote: > > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. > > Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. > > Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet > > connection reduces it's usefulness. > > Not exactly what I was after, I have slightly mischief intents here, I'm > writing up an installation howto about the eeePC and was going to slip in a > few references to getting navigation/routing etc setup too :D > > > I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS > > which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing > > anyway :). > > Using gpsd to handle what ever GPS device makes that irrelevant usually. > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
--- On Sat, 18/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > It's *possible* to use JOSM, but > you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. > Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. > Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet > connection reduces it's usefulness. Not exactly what I was after, I have slightly mischief intents here, I'm writing up an installation howto about the eeePC and was going to slip in a few references to getting navigation/routing etc setup too :D > I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS > which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing > anyway :). Using gpsd to handle what ever GPS device makes that irrelevant usually. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is using for > mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? on the neo I've used navit but its just too small for ageing eyes on that screen so now i use tangogps on the eeepc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:58:29 + (GMT) John Smith wrote: > > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is using for > mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > I have the 9" eeePC running eeeBuntu standard with gpsdrive. The eeePC sits behind the drivers seat and I use an 7" touch screen mounted on the dash for display and control. My 4WD has a built in PC with similar setup with Ubuntu and 8" touch screen. In the sd card slot I have a 32gb card with all Australian topo maps, plus g>map for the whole of Australia at zoom 13. Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. I have it setup with mapnik generated maps as the default and can swap to the topo or gmap as required, ie when I get to an area with no/little osm data. The biggest advantage to this is that whilst mapping you can see what has and hasn't been done. Unfortunately it does not show the source type but I'm working on this. -- Ross Scanlon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup
It's *possible* to use JOSM, but you need to alt+click/drag a lot to move the window around. Usually I'd just plug it into an external monitor. Potlatch is useable, although the requirement of an Internet connection reduces it's usefulness. I've never done routing with mine due to lack of a GPS which talks NMEA. The human mind does much better routing anyway :). Brent - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:59 pm Subject: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > I recently acquired a 7" eeePC and I wondered what everyone is > using for mapping/routing etc to be useful on small screens? > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
