[OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Paul Cardinaels]

Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my two
home towns:

Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M

Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M

I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and throwing in
*the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work more enjoyable and
less mind-numbing.

Looking forward to your replies,
Paul Cardinaels
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Maarten Deen]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:25:11 +0100, Paul Cardinaels wrote:

Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my
two home towns:

Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M
[1]

Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M
[2]

I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and
throwing in THE IDEA TO SET SOME COMMON GOALS, to make the work more
enjoyable and less mind-numbing.


I am always interested in railways and have started again on the 
railways in Belgium. Some are way off according to the Bing maps. I 
know Bing is not always on the mark, but I've seen bigger errors than 10 
meters.


And sometimes when I'm at it I also trace some roads. Yesterday I did 
some work in Bertrix.


Regards,
Maarten


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[OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Ivo De Broeck]

Korbeek-lo http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.86495&lon=4.75718&zoom=17







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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Johan Huysmans]

I'm bingifying within the borders of Dendermonde.

Setting landuse
Drawing buildings
Aligning roades with the images
Setting housenumbers and shops

Greetings,
Johan

On 12/23/2010 03:25 PM, Paul Cardinaels wrote:


Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my 
two home towns:


Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M 



Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M 



I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and 
throwing in *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work more 
enjoyable and less mind-numbing.


Looking forward to your replies,
Paul Cardinaels


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[wannes]

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Paul Cardinaels  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my two
> home towns:

Didn't have to much time.
I did the park Rivierenhof (many wrong roads, non-existing, way off).
Most is done now.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Kenny Moens]

Hi guys,

I'm personally working on this, mainly my hometown area of Hulshout and 
the surrounding towns.


My focus is (in order):
1) roads (missing + aligning)
2) rivers / railway (missing + aligning)
3) landuse
4) city borders

On some parts (roads), sometimes I wonder about the actual road surface 
(paved/unpaved) and this typically triggers me to go and visit the road 
to see its condition. But this is rather hard with this weather :D


Also some parts to watch out for, which I already experienced: don't try 
to blindly trust bing data, the data isn't perfectly current. For 
example in my town of Houtvenne there is a new street (at least 1 year 
old), which is not visible on Bing yet, but which I mapped earlier on by 
means of GPX tracks.


Kind regards,

Kenny Moens


On 23/12/2010 15:25, Paul Cardinaels wrote:


Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my 
two home towns:


Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M 



Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M 



I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and 
throwing in *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work more 
enjoyable and less mind-numbing.


Looking forward to your replies,
Paul Cardinaels


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Lennard]

> I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and throwing
> in
> *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work more enjoyable and
> less mind-numbing.

Focusing mainly on areas I've mapped before, and some nearby blank spots
as well:

Zelzate: http://osm.org/go/0EjbIC9i-
I mapped the entire town a long time ago, but have tweaked the roads here
and there, especially in the dense center, where higher buildings
sometimes took my track off the straight. Also done buildings there,
west/south. The buildings in the northeast are from 3dShapes.

Assenede: http://osm.org/go/0EjZZfm
Same as Zelzate. I mapped most of the eastern part of that area a long
time ago, but began to fill in the western part, which was pretty devoid
of roads in OSM. Also tweaked the residential landuse to the actual
position instead of the very low res Yahoo tracing I did.

Ertvelde/Rieme: http://osm.org/go/0EjYy2Wy-
Rieme was entirely missing, and Ertvelde only had some through roads.
Filled in the entire grid, and drew the residential landuse. Now I have to
go in and collect the road names! :) Also, some landuse to the north of
there.

Spoorlijn 55/55A: no link, but goes from Gent to Terneuzen.
A few weeks ago, OSM still had the old track, running over where the
Kluizendok now is. I traced the entire (new) stretch from Gent to
Terneuzen, including all spurs and sidings. This was helped immensely due
to the higher resolution Bing photo's available along the Kanaal van Gent
naar Terneuzen. In those spots, I could even count the railroad ties!

My goals when bingifying, in general order: roads, residential landuse,
tracks/paths, other major landuse, minor landuse.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Peter Leemans]

Also did some 'electrifying' work in very different regions
Same here for Nijlen and region. Also done some stuff in Herenthout.
Seeing the replies, I understand now the interface sometimes timed out 
on uploads :).


Got a question with respect to the landuse.
I see different ways of connecting different neighbouring land-uses.
Is it recommended to reuse the same points, or as I did, just draw the 
borders very close to each other.


Regards,
Peter 'Toi' Leemans

On 12/23/2010 04:12 PM, Johan Huysmans wrote:

I'm bingifying within the borders of Dendermonde.

Setting landuse
Drawing buildings
Aligning roades with the images
Setting housenumbers and shops

Greetings,
Johan

On 12/23/2010 03:25 PM, Paul Cardinaels wrote:


Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my 
two home towns:


Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M 



Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M 



I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and 
throwing in *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work 
more enjoyable and less mind-numbing.


Looking forward to your replies,
Paul Cardinaels


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Johan Huysmans]

I had the same question. Checked the wiki, and it seems everyone has 
that question and there is no real answer.


I'm reusing nodes. This means it is a bit harder to edit (although it is 
perfectly supported and possible by JOSM), but it gives a much cleaner 
result on the map.


Johan

On 12/23/2010 04:47 PM, Peter Leemans wrote:


Also did some 'electrifying' work in very different regions
Same here for Nijlen and region. Also done some stuff in Herenthout.
Seeing the replies, I understand now the interface sometimes timed out 
on uploads :).


Got a question with respect to the landuse.
I see different ways of connecting different neighbouring land-uses.
Is it recommended to reuse the same points, or as I did, just draw the 
borders very close to each other.


Regards,
Peter 'Toi' Leemans

On 12/23/2010 04:12 PM, Johan Huysmans wrote:

I'm bingifying within the borders of Dendermonde.

Setting landuse
Drawing buildings
Aligning roades with the images
Setting housenumbers and shops

Greetings,
Johan

On 12/23/2010 03:25 PM, Paul Cardinaels wrote:


Hello all,

I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my 
two home towns:


Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M 


Neerpelt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M 


I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and 
throwing in *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work 
more enjoyable and less mind-numbing.


Looking forward to your replies,
Paul Cardinaels


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[eMerzh]

Hi i'm also bingifying around froidchapelle...
mainly adding / correcting landuse (forest, residential, ...) , adding roads
and natural water 
there is a lot of places where there no or only 1 road traced like here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.33852&lon=4.66237&zoom=16 or here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.29525&lon=4.52403&zoom=15&layers=M
 for
me it's a priority before adding buildings and addresses  :)

but what's greate in osm is that everyone does what he care about  :)




On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 16:50, Johan Huysmans wrote:

>  I had the same question. Checked the wiki, and it seems everyone has that
> question and there is no real answer.
>
> I'm reusing nodes. This means it is a bit harder to edit (although it is
> perfectly supported and possible by JOSM), but it gives a much cleaner
> result on the map.
>
> Johan
>
>
> On 12/23/2010 04:47 PM, Peter Leemans wrote:
>
>
> Also did some 'electrifying' work in very different regions
> Same here for Nijlen and region. Also done some stuff in Herenthout.
> Seeing the replies, I understand now the interface sometimes timed out on
> uploads :).
>
> Got a question with respect to the landuse.
> I see different ways of connecting different neighbouring land-uses.
> Is it recommended to reuse the same points, or as I did, just draw the
> borders very close to each other.
>
> Regards,
> Peter 'Toi' Leemans
>
> On 12/23/2010 04:12 PM, Johan Huysmans wrote:
>
> I'm bingifying within the borders of Dendermonde.
>
> Setting landuse
> Drawing buildings
> Aligning roades with the images
> Setting housenumbers and shops
>
> Greetings,
> Johan
>
> On 12/23/2010 03:25 PM, Paul Cardinaels wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my two
> home towns:
>
> Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution):
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474&lon=4.7686&zoom=12&layers=M
>
> Neerpelt:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272&lon=5.4549&zoom=13&layers=M
>
> I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and throwing
> in *the idea to set some common goals*, to make the work more enjoyable
> and less mind-numbing.
>
> Looking forward to your replies,
> Paul Cardinaels
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Ben Laenen]

I'm doing a few "bingifications":

landuse:
* did part of Hoogstraten http://osm.org/go/0Esm6kMc--
* filled the 3dshapes gap at Poppel http://osm.org/go/0EuGY2x1--
* just went south to Loenhout, Sint-Lenaarts to Oostmalle. The original idea 
was creating some sort of a grid, but not sure if I'm going to pursue that 
thought. But basically I'm just randomly following the interesting direction 
:-) http://osm.org/go/0EsiMU2--

other:
* also worked on the coasts and ports of Zeebrugge, Ostend, Blankenberge, and 
worked on the Kusttram (experimentally mapping it with one way = one rail 
track, so you get two lines) which includes improving the N34 
http://osm.org/go/0Ekgho1q
* railways near Zeebrugge (also one track = one way)
* and I've been several improving regional roads (gewestwegen)
* also added the odd power line


Peter Leemans wrote:
> Got a question with respect to the landuse.
> I see different ways of connecting different neighbouring land-uses.
> Is it recommended to reuse the same points, or as I did, just draw the
> borders very close to each other.

I take 3dshapes as example, which means reusing the common nodes.

Greetings
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

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On jeudi 23 décembre 2010 at 16:47, Peter Leemans wrote :
> Also did some 'electrifying' work in very different regions
> Same here for Nijlen and region.

Done that too, it is fun to search for the next tower to continue the power 
line.

I also draw rivers (some parts of Meuse, Sambre and Vesdre so far), and use 
it to add many details to places I know (mainly in Namur and Liege).

> Got a question with respect to the landuse.
> I see different ways of connecting different neighbouring land-uses.
> Is it recommended to reuse the same points, or as I did, just draw the 
> borders very close to each other.

My personal rule is, if the landuse are really connected (there is nothing 
between them, or only a barrier) I reuse the same nodes. If there is a 
highway, or a track between them I trace the three of them separated.
I never connect a landuse to a highway, to do so would require to draw the 
highway as an area to connect the correct edge to the landuse. I think that 
a highway drawn as a single line is supposed to correspond to the center of 
the road/way.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Renaud MICHEL]

On jeudi 23 décembre 2010 at 16:21, Kenny Moens wrote :
> Also some parts to watch out for, which I already experienced: don't try 
> to blindly trust bing data, the data isn't perfectly current. For 
> example in my town of Houtvenne there is a new street (at least 1 year 
> old), which is not visible on Bing yet, but which I mapped earlier on by 
> means of GPX tracks.

Yes, I can point you to a few places in Liege where bing is outdated, mainly 
new roundabouts (we never get enough of those) :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Jens Geiregat]

I'm bingifying Tielt. Fixed roads, drew some important buildings,
added shops etc. Still WIP.


Jens

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Renaud MICHEL  wrote:
> On jeudi 23 décembre 2010 at 16:21, Kenny Moens wrote :
>> Also some parts to watch out for, which I already experienced: don't try
>> to blindly trust bing data, the data isn't perfectly current. For
>> example in my town of Houtvenne there is a new street (at least 1 year
>> old), which is not visible on Bing yet, but which I mapped earlier on by
>> means of GPX tracks.
>
> Yes, I can point you to a few places in Liege where bing is outdated, mainly
> new roundabouts (we never get enough of those) :-)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Jo]

I'm working around Bekkevoort, Bierbeek and Leuven. I was almost considering
to buy a balloon or a kite, or make a ride on a balloon to make my own
aerial imagery. Some features are next to impossible to map by surveying.
(forests, rivers, lakes, buildings, landuse). So I'm really grateful with
Bing's decision to let us use their imagery.

I noticed that around Leuven/Diest all the imagery is 3 years old. Of course
some things have changed in the mean time, but mostly it's very useable and
certainly better than nothing at all.

I try to make landuses as big as possible and I do connect it to the
highways. It gives the best result when exporting to PDF and printing them,
especially at high zoom levels. When working on a region I first trace the
smaller features like buildings, orchards, forests, then
residential/commercial landuse, then farmland. in between.

The quality of the map is increasing tremendously, hopefully the database
won't get overloaded...

Jo

2010/12/23 Jens Geiregat 

> I'm bingifying Tielt. Fixed roads, drew some important buildings,
> added shops etc. Still WIP.
>
>
> Jens
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Renaud MICHEL 
> >
> wrote:
> > On jeudi 23 décembre 2010 at 16:21, Kenny Moens wrote :
> >> Also some parts to watch out for, which I already experienced: don't try
> >> to blindly trust bing data, the data isn't perfectly current. For
> >> example in my town of Houtvenne there is a new street (at least 1 year
> >> old), which is not visible on Bing yet, but which I mapped earlier on by
> >> means of GPX tracks.
> >
> > Yes, I can point you to a few places in Liege where bing is outdated,
> mainly
> > new roundabouts (we never get enough of those) :-)
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium

[Gerard Vanderveken]

Hi all,

I'm mostly adding new paths and tracks around Huldenberg with JOSM, 
using Bing (and previously Yahoo) to correct ways and adding landmark 
buildings in connection of the new material.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.7876&lon=4.5993&zoom=13&layers=M

Gerard.

Jo wrote:

I'm working around Bekkevoort, Bierbeek and Leuven. I was almost 
considering to buy a balloon or a kite, or make a ride on a balloon to 
make my own aerial imagery. Some features are next to impossible to 
map by surveying. (forests, rivers, lakes, buildings, landuse). So I'm 
really grateful with Bing's decision to let us use their imagery.


I noticed that around Leuven/Diest all the imagery is 3 years old. Of 
course some things have changed in the mean time, but mostly it's very 
useable and certainly better than nothing at all.


I try to make landuses as big as possible and I do connect it to the 
highways. It gives the best result when exporting to PDF and printing 
them, especially at high zoom levels. When working on a region I first 
trace the smaller features like buildings, orchards, forests, then 
residential/commercial landuse, then farmland. in between.


The quality of the map is increasing tremendously, hopefully the 
database won't get overloaded...


Jo





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