Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Jakka]

Voor zij die .py kunnen ontcijferen.

https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/plugins/Highway_Lanes.py

@Glenn de fix, quick-fix moet je daar iets voor doen om dat binnen te 
halen updaten?





Kheb de lanes een fix gegeven, quick-fix voor R1, die moet geaudit
worden, want de JOSM validator gaf ook al warnings die ik niet direct
kon plaatsen.

Glenn


On 18-11-15 19:42, Glenn Plas wrote:


De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.

enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.

Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.

Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante

Glenn



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Glenn Plas]

Kheb de lanes een fix gegeven, quick-fix voor R1, die moet geaudit
worden, want de JOSM validator gaf ook al warnings die ik niet direct
kon plaatsen.

Glenn


On 18-11-15 19:42, Glenn Plas wrote:
> 
> De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
> locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
> als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.
> 
> enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
> 1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.
> 
> Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.
> 
> Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante
> 
> Glenn
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Marc Gemis]

lanes:both_ways is voor

a) een gemeenschappelijke rijstrook, typisch om in beide richtingen
links af te slaan
b) voor een gearceerd deel waar je niet mag rijden (zie vorige mail).
Ik denk dat osmose vooral niet met dit geval over weg kan, omdat er
dan buiten de access tags geen tags bijstaan voor bv. turn:lanes of
change:lanes. Ik zou er me in dit geval niet teveel van aantrekken.

mvg

m

2015-11-18 20:50 GMT+01:00 Jakka :
> Vooral die recente key "lanes:both_ways" daar geraak ik niet aan uit. En
>  osmose ook niet. De som lanes moet gelijk zijn som forward/backward maar,
> die both_ways waar komen die bij te staan?? Moeten die vermeld geteld worden
> in de lanes of niet ?
>
>
>>
>> De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
>> locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
>> als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.
>>
>> enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
>> 1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.
>>
>> Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.
>>
>> Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>> On 18-11-15 17:13, Jakka wrote:
>>>
>>> Dag,
>>>
>>> Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de
>>> rijstroken te voorschijn.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160
>>>
>>>
>>> Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop
>>> nog staart aan.
>>> Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.
>>>
>>> Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"
>>>
>>> Jakka
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Marc Gemis]

In het algemeen zijn het gewoon optelsommetjes die verkeerd zijn.
Je kan zeggen dat in sommige gevallen de ontbrekende informatie
overbodig is, als je bv. turn:lanes:forward hebt, waarom moet je dan
nog lanes:forward hebben. Toch is het gewoonte die tag er ook op te
zetten.

Maar ik begrijp niet waarom je change lanes of turn:lanes moet gaan
vermelden als er al "access=no" op die lane staat. Ik heb die gebruikt
als er een gearceerd deel staat. Een tagging methode die ik van Martin
Vonwald geleerd heb.

mvg

m



2015-11-18 20:42 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas :
>
> De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
> locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
> als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.
>
> enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
> 1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.
>
> Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.
>
> Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante
>
> Glenn
>
>
> On 18-11-15 17:13, Jakka wrote:
>> Dag,
>>
>> Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de
>> rijstroken te voorschijn.
>>
>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160
>>
>>
>> Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop
>> nog staart aan.
>> Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.
>>
>> Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"
>>
>> Jakka
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Jakka]

Vooral die recente key "lanes:both_ways" daar geraak ik niet aan uit. En
 osmose ook niet. De som lanes moet gelijk zijn som forward/backward 
maar, die both_ways waar komen die bij te staan?? Moeten die vermeld 
geteld worden in de lanes of niet ?




De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.

enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.

Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.

Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante

Glenn


On 18-11-15 17:13, Jakka wrote:

Dag,

Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de
rijstroken te voorschijn.

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160


Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop
nog staart aan.
Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.

Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Marc Gemis]

HIer wat extra informatie voor het oplossen

1) lanes=1;2 is not an integer e.d.
kan natuurlijk niet. Moet 1 getal zijn

2) Conflict tussen *:lanes and *:lanes:*
ben ik precies in de fout gegaan met het mappen van bicycle lanes. die
moeten telkens meegeteld worden. Ik zou nog eens over alle wegen
moeten gaan om die ook in rekening te brengen. Heb er nu eentje
gefixed

3) (change:lanes:both_ways=0) != (lanes:both_ways=1)
komt omdat ik access:lanes:both_ways = no heb gezet, dus zie ik het
nut niet in van een change lanes te plaatsen

4) (change:lanes:forward+change:lanes:backward+change:lanes:both_ways=2)
!= (number=3)
zie 3. ook geen nut

5) (lanes_forward+lanes_backward+lanes_both_ways=2) != (lanes=3)
voor bv. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365608035
--> ontbreken van lanes:forward en lanes:backward

enz.


mvg

m


2015-11-18 18:13 GMT+01:00 Jakka :
> Dag,
>
> Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de rijstroken
> te voorschijn.
>
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160
>
> Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop nog
> staart aan.
> Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.
>
> Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"
>
> Jakka
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Glenn Plas]

De meeste ga je toch issue per issue moeten bekijken met kennis van de
locaties, en huidige layout van de baan.  Sat foto's enkel te betrouwen
als ze recent zijn en er geen werken zijn geweest ondertussen.

enkele van die fouten zijn natuurlijk op te lossen.  lanes, dat kan maar
1 cijfer zijn en geen reeks.

Ik kan er wel een aantal aanpassen adhv. overpass queries.

Tx voor die link, ik kende hem niet, best wel een interessante

Glenn


On 18-11-15 17:13, Jakka wrote:
> Dag,
> 
> Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de
> rijstroken te voorschijn.
> 
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160
> 
> 
> Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop
> nog staart aan.
> Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.
> 
> Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"
> 
> Jakka
> 
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[OSM-talk-be] Osmose onjuiste "rijstroken"

[Jakka]

Dag,

Via bijgaande link komen voor Vlaanderen osmose warning voor de 
rijstroken te voorschijn.


http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/nl/errors/?country=belgium_flanders&item=3160

Wie kan deze eens lange lijst oplossen. Ik vind er bij sommige nog kop 
nog staart aan.

Vermoed dat deze fouten invloed hebben op routing software.

Link = stat for osmose warning in flanders. "Bad lanes usage"

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people

[Johan Van de Wauw]

Joost,

I agree that OpenStreetMap seems the best place to store the data.

But I think we should first check what would be useful to map.

Kind Regards,
Johan

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:02 PM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> Johan,
>
> If the kind of feedback I gave before is considered useful to the project,
> and some OSM integration is being considered, I would be willing to join.
>
> If anyone wants to come along to compensate for my sillyness, please do.
>
> Cheers,
> Joost
>
> 2015-11-18 11:12 GMT+01:00 Johan Van de Wauw :
>>
>> Everyone interested from the Openstreetmap Community - more than welcome!
>>
>> Please ping me if you intend to come.
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Maelle Vercauteren 
>> Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially
>> disabled people
>> To: KRUWIALIS Gael 
>> Cc: "belg...@lists.osgeo.org" 
>>
>>
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> Dewey ask to organize a first meeting on Wednesday December 2 at 6p.m at
>> ULB !
>>
>> Everybody is more than welcome :-)
>>
>> I booked a room for us : DC6.126 !
>>
>> We can meet in front the D building at 6 p.m :
>> https://www.ulb.ac.be/campus/solbosch/plan-D.html
>>
>> Cheers, Maë//e
>>
>> 2015-11-16 7:34 GMT+01:00 Maelle Vercauteren :
>> >
>> > Hello guys,
>> >
>> > Dewey seems positif to collaborate with us and want to meet us ! :-)
>> >
>> > Johan have you some feedback from openstreetmap mailing list ?
>> >
>> > In osgeo.be who is in for this project ?
>> >
>> > Who want to take the lead of this (Johan, Marc, Gaël or... ) ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Could we plan a first brainstorming begining of December?
>> > For exemple a f2f meeting at ULB with Dewey association and some people
>> > from the field : December 2 or 4?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Maë//e
>> >
>> > 2015-11-15 20:34 GMT+01:00 KRUWIALIS Gael
>> > :
>> >>
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I met them this afternoon, and normally we‘ll scheduled in the future a
>> >> meeting to discuss how to join our opportunities.
>> >>
>> >> I think that it will be necessary during our next meeting to determine
>> >> which ways, which positions, etc... we want or can adopt with such
>> >> initiatives.
>> >>
>> >> With Dewey, it seems that there are a lot of complementarity with the
>> >> initiative that Christophe proposed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> De : Belgium [mailto:belgium-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] De la part de
>> >> Maelle Vercauteren
>> >> Envoyé : samedi 14 novembre 2015 11:14
>> >> À : Moritz Lennert
>> >> Cc : belg...@lists.osgeo.org
>> >> Objet : Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially
>> >> disabled people
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Johan and Moritz for the feedback !
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It could be really intersting to meet Dewey association. But
>> >> unfortunately it would be difficult for me to be availible this
>> >> Sunday…Christophe do you want and have the possibility to contact them ?
>> >>
>> >> If not I can write them an e-mail this evening to see if we can
>> >> collaborate in the event or if we can improve their map in this thematic?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For the brainstorming with people from these associations it's for me
>> >> really necessary to do it first especially to check the existing tools,
>> >> target the public - I don't think the homeless themselves could use this
>> >> kind of tools (unlike refugees / migrants who are an other kind of public)
>> >> but for sure it could be usefull for volunteers helping them…
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So when would we plan the brainstorming : begining of December?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Maë//e
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2015-11-12 17:00 GMT+01:00 Moritz Lennert
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I will be less present in the discussions than before as I really have
>> >> to get stuff done at work.
>> >>
>> >> On this particular issue, you should check
>> >>
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/715594605243293/
>> >>
>> >> and the parties involved (dewey.de)
>> >>
>> >> Moritz
>> >>
>> >> On 12/11/15 07:29, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello Christophe,
>> >>
>> >> First of all thanks for the  idea. I was in a hurry preparing my
>> >> "conclusions and outlook for osgeo.be " presentation.
>> >> One of the things I wanted to add was how we can use FOSS4G to create
>> >> value - somewhat triggered by the "where is the money" discussion just
>> >> before.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I'm adding the openstreetmap be mailing list as they have much
>> >> more experience in organising mapping parties.
>> >>
>> >> To the OSM folks: the idea is to organise a "mapping party" targeted
>> >> towards homeless and socially disabled people. Full thread below (I
>> >> added an inline comment).
>> >>
>> >> Kind Regards,
>> >> Johan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Christophe Cloquet
>> >>
>> >> mailto:christo...@my-poppy.eu>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your in

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people

[joost schouppe]

Johan,

If the kind of feedback I gave before is considered useful to the project,
and some OSM integration is being considered, I would be willing to join.

If anyone wants to come along to compensate for my sillyness, please do.

Cheers,
Joost

2015-11-18 11:12 GMT+01:00 Johan Van de Wauw :

> Everyone interested from the Openstreetmap Community - more than welcome!
>
> Please ping me if you intend to come.
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Maelle Vercauteren 
> Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially
> disabled people
> To: KRUWIALIS Gael 
> Cc: "belg...@lists.osgeo.org" 
>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Dewey ask to organize a first meeting on Wednesday December 2 at 6p.m at
> ULB !
>
> Everybody is more than welcome :-)
>
> I booked a room for us : DC6.126 !
>
> We can meet in front the D building at 6 p.m :
> https://www.ulb.ac.be/campus/solbosch/plan-D.html
>
> Cheers, Maë//e
>
> 2015-11-16 7:34 GMT+01:00 Maelle Vercauteren :
> >
> > Hello guys,
> >
> > Dewey seems positif to collaborate with us and want to meet us ! :-)
> >
> > Johan have you some feedback from openstreetmap mailing list ?
> >
> > In osgeo.be who is in for this project ?
> >
> > Who want to take the lead of this (Johan, Marc, Gaël or... ) ?
> >
> >
> > Could we plan a first brainstorming begining of December?
> > For exemple a f2f meeting at ULB with Dewey association and some people
> from the field : December 2 or 4?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Maë//e
> >
> > 2015-11-15 20:34 GMT+01:00 KRUWIALIS Gael
> :
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I met them this afternoon, and normally we‘ll scheduled in the future a
> meeting to discuss how to join our opportunities.
> >>
> >> I think that it will be necessary during our next meeting to determine
> which ways, which positions, etc... we want or can adopt with such
> initiatives.
> >>
> >> With Dewey, it seems that there are a lot of complementarity with the
> initiative that Christophe proposed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> De : Belgium [mailto:belgium-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] De la part de
> Maelle Vercauteren
> >> Envoyé : samedi 14 novembre 2015 11:14
> >> À : Moritz Lennert
> >> Cc : belg...@lists.osgeo.org
> >> Objet : Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially
> disabled people
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks Johan and Moritz for the feedback !
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It could be really intersting to meet Dewey association. But
> unfortunately it would be difficult for me to be availible this
> Sunday…Christophe do you want and have the possibility to contact them ?
> >>
> >> If not I can write them an e-mail this evening to see if we can
> collaborate in the event or if we can improve their map in this thematic?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For the brainstorming with people from these associations it's for me
> really necessary to do it first especially to check the existing tools,
> target the public - I don't think the homeless themselves could use this
> kind of tools (unlike refugees / migrants who are an other kind of public)
> but for sure it could be usefull for volunteers helping them…
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So when would we plan the brainstorming : begining of December?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Maë//e
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015-11-12 17:00 GMT+01:00 Moritz Lennert  >:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I will be less present in the discussions than before as I really have
> to get stuff done at work.
> >>
> >> On this particular issue, you should check
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/715594605243293/
> >>
> >> and the parties involved (dewey.de)
> >>
> >> Moritz
> >>
> >> On 12/11/15 07:29, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Christophe,
> >>
> >> First of all thanks for the  idea. I was in a hurry preparing my
> >> "conclusions and outlook for osgeo.be " presentation.
> >> One of the things I wanted to add was how we can use FOSS4G to create
> >> value - somewhat triggered by the "where is the money" discussion just
> >> before.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I'm adding the openstreetmap be mailing list as they have much
> >> more experience in organising mapping parties.
> >>
> >> To the OSM folks: the idea is to organise a "mapping party" targeted
> >> towards homeless and socially disabled people. Full thread below (I
> >> added an inline comment).
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >> Johan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Christophe Cloquet
> >>
> >> mailto:christo...@my-poppy.eu>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you for your interest in this topic !
> >>
> >> I am volunteer at the Red-Cross, so I could also relay to that
> >> network, as well as to 'La Strada', and some other small structures.
> >>
> >> Now, I never attended such a mapping party, so I do not know how
> >> many people to expect. I could mobilize some, but few with a
> >> cartographic background. However, people from the field could
> >> perhaps bring useful information

[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Seek support for worldwide mapathon on Dec 3rd for places accessibility

[Marc Gemis]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Holger Dieterich 
Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Seek support for worldwide mapathon on Dec 3rd for
places accessibility
To: t...@openstreetmap.org


Dear fellow OSM members,

I'm the cofounder of http://wheelmap.org and want to ask for your
advice and support for a mapathon we are planning.

The worldwide mapathon #MapMyDay will take place on December 3 and the
goal is to mark as many wheelchair accessible places as possible. The
World Health Organization (WHO) and other UN agencies, are cooperating
with Sozialhelden, the makers of Wheelmap and calling upon people
around the world to mark the accessibility of places they come to
during the day.
More at http://mapmyday.org

Any feedback and advice is appreciated, we want to involve a lot of
people in December. Also, it would be great if you help spread the
word.

Thanks,
Holger

--
Holger Dieterich
SOZIALHELDEN e.V.
c/o Immobilien Scout GmbH, Andreasstraße 10, 10243 Berlin

Chairman / Vorstand

Web: http://www.sozialhelden.de

SOZIALHELDEN @ facebook - twitter - flickr - YouTube - betterplace.org

Spendenkonto:
SOZIALHELDEN e.V.
GLS Gemeinschaftsbank eG
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[Marc Gemis]

Volgens http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Riding moet je een weide om
te grazen mappen als
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Riding, you have to use


landuse=meadow,
meadow=pasture (undocumented)
landcover=grass (optional)


de track zelf / the race track

leisure=track
sport=horse_racing
surface=*

Merk op dat er discussie is hoe je een sportveld dat enkel dient om te
oefenen moet mappen.
Note, there is some discussion on how to map all kind of sport fields
that are only used for practicing.

met vriendelijke groeten, regards

m

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Karel Adams  wrote:
> Allen,
> Dit zijn duidelijkerwijs paardenoefenbanen, inderdaad. Er liggen er zo heel
> heel veel in de landelijke gebieden van Vlaanderen. Vlieg maar eens een
> toerke mee en ge zult het wel zien! ;)
> Ik vraag me overigens af hoe relevant het is deze te mappen, ze liggen
> immers per definitie op privédomein.
> Karel
>
> PS waarom spreken jullie over "meadows"? "A meadow" wordt gedefinieerd als
> hooiland...  ik vind het al een beetje
> belachelijk dat een handjevol Nederlandstaligen zich van een andere taal
> bedient voor onderlinge discussie; maar als het dan toch moet, doe het dan
> aub goed
>
>
> On 18-11-15 08:21, Jo wrote:
>
> Hi Joost,
>
> They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible to
> make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the grass is
> eaten is a giveaway.
>
> Maybe this one:
> http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx
>
> So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a way to
> access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride as well.
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found
>> several looping tracks like this:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
>>
>> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
>> meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
>> center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned up
>> nothing.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[joost schouppe]

Karel,

I started in English as this is a Belgian list and the French speakers
might have input too. When I have a question which is clearly of "Flemish
relevance", I do just ask in Dutch.

Hilarisch gebruik van HTML trouwens :)
En hoe kan ik je aan de uitnodiging voor een privévlucht houden? (wegens
kleurenblindheid nooit zweefvliegpiloot kunnen worden)



2015-11-18 11:41 GMT+01:00 Karel Adams :

> Allen,
> Dit zijn duidelijkerwijs paardenoefenbanen, inderdaad. Er liggen er zo
> heel heel veel in de landelijke gebieden van Vlaanderen. Vlieg maar eens
> een toerke mee en ge zult het wel zien! ;)
> Ik vraag me overigens af hoe relevant het is deze te mappen, ze liggen
> immers per definitie op privédomein.
> Karel
>
> PS waarom spreken jullie over "meadows"? "A meadow" wordt gedefinieerd als
> hooiland...  ik vind het al een beetje
> belachelijk dat een handjevol Nederlandstaligen zich van een andere taal
> bedient voor onderlinge discussie; maar als het dan toch moet, doe het dan
> aub goed
>
>
> On 18-11-15 08:21, Jo wrote:
>
> Hi Joost,
>
> They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible to
> make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the grass is
> eaten is a giveaway.
>
> Maybe this one:
> http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx
>
> So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a way
> to access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride as well.
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found
>> several looping tracks like this:
>> 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
>>
>> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
>> meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
>> center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned up
>> nothing.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[Glenn Plas]

Hallo,

On 18-11-15 10:41, Karel Adams wrote:
> Allen,
> Dit zijn duidelijkerwijs paardenoefenbanen, inderdaad. Er liggen er zo
> heel heel veel in de landelijke gebieden van Vlaanderen. Vlieg maar eens
> een toerke mee en ge zult het wel zien! ;)
> Ik vraag me overigens af hoe relevant het is deze te mappen, ze liggen
> immers per definitie op privédomein.

We mappen toch ook huizen, ook per definitie prive?  Alles wat een
luchtfoto toont is interessant, een luchtfoto toont ook niet of het
prive is of niet.  ben je er eigenlijk zeker van dat het prive is ?  Hoe?

> Karel
> 
> PS waarom spreken jullie over "meadows"? "A meadow" wordt gedefinieerd
> als hooiland...  ik vind het al een beetje
> belachelijk dat een handjevol Nederlandstaligen zich van een andere taal
> bedient voor onderlinge discussie; maar als het dan toch moet, doe het
> dan aub goed

Ik zie hier geen graten in eerlijk gezegd.   belachelijk of niet, dat is
pas niet relevant.

Glenn



> 
> On 18-11-15 08:21, Jo wrote:
>> Hi Joost,
>>
>> They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible
>> to make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the
>> grass is eaten is a giveaway.
>>
>> Maybe this one:
>> http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx
>>
>> So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a
>> way to access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride
>> as well.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> 2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe > >:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I
>> found several looping tracks like
>> this: 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
>>
>> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but
>> long meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse
>> breeding center? But googling the combination of horses and the
>> adresses turned up nothing.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[Sander Deryckere]

2015-11-18 11:41 GMT+01:00 Karel Adams :

>
> PS waarom spreken jullie over "meadows"? "A meadow" wordt gedefinieerd als
> hooiland...  ik vind het al een beetje
> belachelijk dat een handjevol Nederlandstaligen zich van een andere taal
> bedient voor onderlinge discussie; maar als het dan toch moet, doe het dan
> aub goed
>

Omdat Engels een neutrale taal is in België (Vlamingen zijn niet de enige
gebruikers van de lijst), en omdat het makkelijker is om meteen termen te
gebruiken die overeenkomen met OSM tags. Hierbij is meadow dus ook land dat
gebruikt wordt om te grazen (zie
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow#Tags_in_combination
), als dit fout is, dan ga je daarmee beter naar de tagging mailing list,
maar er zijn al andere proposals geweest daar rond:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/pasture

Het is niet aan de Belgische community om tags die zo veel gebruikt worden
te wijzigen.

Mvg,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[Karel Adams]

Allen,
Dit zijn duidelijkerwijs paardenoefenbanen, inderdaad. Er liggen er zo 
heel heel veel in de landelijke gebieden van Vlaanderen. Vlieg maar eens 
een toerke mee en ge zult het wel zien! ;)
Ik vraag me overigens af hoe relevant het is deze te mappen, ze liggen 
immers per definitie op privédomein.

Karel

PS waarom spreken jullie over "meadows"? "A meadow" wordt gedefinieerd 
als hooiland...  ik vind het al een beetje 
belachelijk dat een handjevol Nederlandstaligen zich van een andere taal 
bedient voor onderlinge discussie; maar als het dan toch moet, doe het 
dan aub goed


On 18-11-15 08:21, Jo wrote:

Hi Joost,

They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible 
to make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the 
grass is eaten is a giveaway.


Maybe this one:
http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx

So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a 
way to access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride 
as well.


Jo

2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe >:


Hi,

While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I
found several looping tracks like this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673

Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but
long meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse
breeding center? But googling the combination of horses and the
adresses turned up nothing.


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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people

[Johan Van de Wauw]

Everyone interested from the Openstreetmap Community - more than welcome!

Please ping me if you intend to come.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Maelle Vercauteren 
Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially
disabled people
To: KRUWIALIS Gael 
Cc: "belg...@lists.osgeo.org" 


Hello guys,

Dewey ask to organize a first meeting on Wednesday December 2 at 6p.m at ULB !

Everybody is more than welcome :-)

I booked a room for us : DC6.126 !

We can meet in front the D building at 6 p.m :
https://www.ulb.ac.be/campus/solbosch/plan-D.html

Cheers, Maë//e

2015-11-16 7:34 GMT+01:00 Maelle Vercauteren :
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Dewey seems positif to collaborate with us and want to meet us ! :-)
>
> Johan have you some feedback from openstreetmap mailing list ?
>
> In osgeo.be who is in for this project ?
>
> Who want to take the lead of this (Johan, Marc, Gaël or... ) ?
>
>
> Could we plan a first brainstorming begining of December?
> For exemple a f2f meeting at ULB with Dewey association and some people from 
> the field : December 2 or 4?
>
> Cheers,
> Maë//e
>
> 2015-11-15 20:34 GMT+01:00 KRUWIALIS Gael :
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I met them this afternoon, and normally we‘ll scheduled in the future a 
>> meeting to discuss how to join our opportunities.
>>
>> I think that it will be necessary during our next meeting to determine which 
>> ways, which positions, etc... we want or can adopt with such initiatives.
>>
>> With Dewey, it seems that there are a lot of complementarity with the 
>> initiative that Christophe proposed
>>
>>
>>
>> Gael
>>
>>
>>
>> De : Belgium [mailto:belgium-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] De la part de Maelle 
>> Vercauteren
>> Envoyé : samedi 14 novembre 2015 11:14
>> À : Moritz Lennert
>> Cc : belg...@lists.osgeo.org
>> Objet : Re: [Belgium] Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled 
>> people
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Johan and Moritz for the feedback !
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be really intersting to meet Dewey association. But unfortunately 
>> it would be difficult for me to be availible this Sunday…Christophe do you 
>> want and have the possibility to contact them ?
>>
>> If not I can write them an e-mail this evening to see if we can collaborate 
>> in the event or if we can improve their map in this thematic?
>>
>>
>>
>> For the brainstorming with people from these associations it's for me really 
>> necessary to do it first especially to check the existing tools, target the 
>> public - I don't think the homeless themselves could use this kind of tools 
>> (unlike refugees / migrants who are an other kind of public) but for sure it 
>> could be usefull for volunteers helping them…
>>
>>
>>
>> So when would we plan the brainstorming : begining of December?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Maë//e
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-11-12 17:00 GMT+01:00 Moritz Lennert :
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I will be less present in the discussions than before as I really have to 
>> get stuff done at work.
>>
>> On this particular issue, you should check
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/715594605243293/
>>
>> and the parties involved (dewey.de)
>>
>> Moritz
>>
>> On 12/11/15 07:29, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
>>
>> Hello Christophe,
>>
>> First of all thanks for the  idea. I was in a hurry preparing my
>> "conclusions and outlook for osgeo.be " presentation.
>> One of the things I wanted to add was how we can use FOSS4G to create
>> value - somewhat triggered by the "where is the money" discussion just
>> before.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm adding the openstreetmap be mailing list as they have much
>> more experience in organising mapping parties.
>>
>> To the OSM folks: the idea is to organise a "mapping party" targeted
>> towards homeless and socially disabled people. Full thread below (I
>> added an inline comment).
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Johan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Christophe Cloquet
>>
>> mailto:christo...@my-poppy.eu>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in this topic !
>>
>> I am volunteer at the Red-Cross, so I could also relay to that
>> network, as well as to 'La Strada', and some other small structures.
>>
>> Now, I never attended such a mapping party, so I do not know how
>> many people to expect. I could mobilize some, but few with a
>> cartographic background. However, people from the field could
>> perhaps bring useful informations that are not otherwise easily
>> accessible ?
>>
>>
>>
>> That is surely the case - they may also help finding out what is really
>> important, how maps are probably going to be used (print, smartphone,
>> language , ...?), ... that is much more important than eg what software
>> we are going to use.
>>
>> I'd actually suggest sitting together and brainstorming with at least
>> some of them first, so we can prepare the mapping party, this can be on
>> short notice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>> PS : There is 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[joost schouppe]

Thanks, that's it.

2015-11-18 9:21 GMT+01:00 Jo :

> Hi Joost,
>
> They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible to
> make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the grass is
> eaten is a giveaway.
>
> Maybe this one:
> http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx
>
> So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a way
> to access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride as well.
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found
>> several looping tracks like this:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
>>
>> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
>> meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
>> center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned up
>> nothing.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[Glenn Plas]

Quick internet investigation

Using crab/agiv educated guess, that address is either number 258 or 260.

I can find business info back on 260A (which is below the loop)

Camator BVBA - Kortemarkstraat 260 Bus A

http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx

"Levende dieren, veehandel fokkerij"

For 260 I find : "Adrd Products Import Export" but not really a company
name. http://en.yelp.be/biz/adrd-products-import-export-torhout

So a bit of a dead end there.  But those buildings look a lot like
stables. When I check with google streetview, I see a lot of horses.
which was actually my first idea that this was a horse training track.
The fencing around it suggests that too.

I would think this is a horsetrack.

Glenn


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> Hi,
> 
> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found
> several looping tracks like
> this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
> 
> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
> meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
> center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned
> up nothing.
> 
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[Jo]

Hi Joost,

They are definitely horse meadows. On AGIV imagery it's even possible to
make out their silhouettes/shadows. On Bing the irregular way the grass is
eaten is a giveaway.

Maybe this one:
http://trendstop.knack.be/nl/detail/435178622/camator.aspx

So a farmer who specialized in horse breeding? The tracks seem like a way
to access the meadows to me and of course they can serve to ride as well.

Jo

2015-11-18 8:46 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :

> Hi,
>
> While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found
> several looping tracks like this:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673
>
> Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
> meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
> center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned up
> nothing.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Editing previous data (was Re: more stats: data density in the Belgian regions)

[Glenn Plas]

Works for me too.  The only thing someone needs to make sure when
introducing the agiv/crab data is that the housenumbers from 'erfgoed'
matches the new data.  'Erfgoed' is usually very accurate using
housenumber ranges as well as lists. (eg. nr: 2-4 or 2;4 )

When a situation occurs that the numbers seem to indicate a more complex
site , I will then check the links to sort these out as you might loose
valuable information when merging tags blindly.

Thanks for your work Marc, it's been a pleasure building further on it.

Glenn



On 17-11-15 16:21, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Thanks for explaining the problems you encountered.
> 
> Since those early onroerend erfgoed nodes, I have changed my mapping
> habits. This means that I solve  the problems that you mention (1
> historic item matching multiple buildings/1 building/part of  a
> building) myself now.
> 
> At this moment I still do both building drawing and adding house
> numbers in 1 go, but I prefer to work more in residential areas
> (individual houses) than town centers (rows of houses).
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>> I agree, since there were not too many individual houses in the city, it
>> was a lot better (plus nominatim can find nodes addresses).  They were
>> -for a long time- the only house numbers we had in OSM.
>>
>> Sometimes it's in fact difficult as a monument can be a facade which
>> encompasses 3 house numbers.  So I had to check the 'onroerenderfgoed'
>> links to make sure what house numbers they refer to.
>>
>> Often it's a 1 on 1 downward merge , but I've seen plenty of cases where
>> there is a 1-house size offset.
>>
>> All in all, I would say AGIV is pretty accurate for Mechelen (I did all
>> of Zemst, Bonheiden and Mechelen now) but there are still issues of more
>> recent data not being there (and the house + number exist).  New
>> street(names), demolished buildings still in the AGIV database etc. it's
>> never complete.  But I believe the results OSM Mechelen vs Google
>> Mechelen is worth it.
>> http://aptum.bitless.be/?pcode=2800&loadOsm=true&collapsedSections=
>>
>> You also need a house/building to be there to work efficiently, I found
>> a lot of errors on corners ( that leaded me to the conclusion that most
>> house numbers where 'guessed' by using other sources , or by
>> extrapolating, not too scientific.
>>
>> I think I did a lot of them now.  wish I had a decent analysis tool to
>> show me exactly how much crab work I've done so far, but to conclude:
>>
>>  - having decent buildings before migration house numbers is almost
>> essential.
>>  - mapping houses together with numbers is painstakingly slow.  Better
>> create houses first, then later on (days, months, whatever) they will be
>> visible on the map when you start with phase 2:
>>  - mapping house numbers.  Sanders tool is essential, especially the
>> integration with JOSM remote control.
>>  - extra care needs to be taken when you have existing data, associated
>> street relations will be deleted (most of them yours too ;-) once a road
>> is completed, all the houses are there.
>>  - Sometimes there is NO house number attached to the 'erfgoed',   So I
>> have to check the inventory to see what it applies to.
>>  - Sometimes is also needed to make it more complex, like
>> https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/88684 ->
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5620662
>>  - There have been occasions where I used the erfgoed information to
>> validate a house number.
>>
>> You don't want to change the house number on the erfgoed itself, as that
>> would be inacurate, just to accommodate the map (or routers), hence you
>> need to change that single node into a site relation (which I think is
>> very well suited for this)
>>
>> I believe that was a good call you made by making nodes. migration that
>> information with the terracing plugin is as easy as doing CTRL+shift+T
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On 17-11-15 13:30, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
 and I encountered many
 'monumenten' from you, which I nicely migrated from node to buildings :)
>>>
>>> that's very kind of you. I didn't do that from the beginning, because
>>> it was too difficult to find the location of the house numbers back
>>> then. We didn't had AGIV CRAB. I thought individual nodes were easier
>>> to merge/reposition than badly shaped/positioned building areas.
>>>
>>> What is your opinion ?
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> m
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