Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
@ Harald
Don't worry, I've had worse directed at me. It will not stop me from
contributing or talking on the mail list in the future. I've learned to have
tough skin.
I personally prefer to just trace off of Bing, as I've been mostly doing this
in the US (where I live) to fix up highways that need to be twinned. As you
can see here on my OSM profile, I've done a lot of work cleaning up stuff. (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/rickmastfan67 ) Heck, I rebuilt all of I-81
& I-26 in TN from scratch when the license change happened. And recently, when
Bing updated their imagery along the Ontario {69}/{400} corridor, I added in
the missing alignment of freeway that opened up in 2012 (See Changeset
#17551435).
Imports are just not my style. I rather be able to see imagery that proves an
alignment for a highway.
-James
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 10:18:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
James E,
you might not have intended it that way, but your email came across as pretty
hostile. If I had been the recipient, I certainly would not have been
encouraged to contribute but to never ever mail to this list again.
@James M.: Thanks for your initial email. The problem you pointed out has been
solved and OSM just got a little better again.
To the point about access to Canvec/Geobase data for the road names: If you use
JOSM it's very easy: just go to "imagery" and choose "Geobase Roads." I usually
trace the roads from bing and then use the Geobase layer for the road names and
to check the plausibility of my traces.
Harald.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, James Ewen wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but there are some flaws in the logic.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM, James Mast wrote:
> 1. I don't have access to the Canvec data that includes the road names.
If one person has access to the data, everyone does. If the data were
not available, no one could import it. You might just not know where
to look.
> 2. I didn't know if somebody was planning an import in that area.
This is reasonable, but then how long have you been waiting for
someone to do something? When we all wait for someone else to do
something, we can wait a long time.
> 3. I tend to stay out of areas that I'm not really failure with in Ontario
> as I've never been that far North in Ontario (Canada Wonderland is about as
> far as I've ever gone).
Yes, it helps to be familiar with areas that you are importing,
however we don't have enough OSM mappers in Canada to be able to have
the luxury of having people familiar with each area importing those
areas.
> So, in other words, I wanted to leave it to somebody that knows the Canvec
> data better as I've never done an import.
And still you have never done an import, so you're safe. The next
place you would like to see added to OSM, you can use the same
reasoning.
I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but rather just point out
flaws in the rationale behind NOT being a participating member in the
OSM community.
Only your second point is reasonable... making sure you are
coordinated with the rest of the community is a good thing.
We probably have an awful lot of people sitting on their hands saying
"I don't have access to the data", and "Someone else will import it",
and finally "I've never done it before". That's the wrong attitude to
have on a crowd-sourced project like OSM.
Get in there, learn where to get the data (BTW, OSM is not sole
sourced from CanVec), learn how to edit the map, and help everyone
gain access to a better map!
I know I hear a lot of people complain about the quality of OSM maps
in other projects that use OSM maps, and I go through the same
"lecture" with them. If you don't like what you see on the map, get in
there and get your hands dirty.
--
James
VE6SRV
And yes, I've been sitting on my hands for a long time as well, so I'm
as guilty as you.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
On 02/10/2013 11:38 AM, Andrew Allison wrote: ... Hello: For what's it is worth, I'm slowly systematically importing Canvec data. This is one really, really big country :-) Did I say really big. For example Tile 0.0 then 0.1 then 0.2 etc I'm up to Tile 041 I04 2.3 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CanvecImports/edits So if you like I could jump ahead or behind as is this case :-) Looks like the area you are referencing is 032 D 04 It is a painfully slow process of merging wetlands and forests, removing duplicate nodes etc. I'm doing this "by hand", while reviewing the data quality of the import. Andrew aka PurpleMustang, CanvecImports. ... This sounds like something I wouldn't mind doing in between HOT projects. Maybe we can coordinate. One of the things I found when validating Ottawa data was that successive Canvec imports showed up in the address interpolation ways and the old ones had to be stripped out. I did that by hand, for hundreds of them. Tom Taylor AKA TomT5454 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
Hi Steve, You wrote that one of the hardest parts was to figure out what set to download from Canvec ftp site... There was a link in the Canvec Wiki page to find out what file to download (using the NTS map number like 021E05) but it is broken now. I found another way to find it out. Go to... http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/toporama/index.html# Use the Toggle NTS Grid (grey icon next to the map scale) to make the NTS grid visible Zoom-in on your area of interest, the NTS map number displayed fits the file available from the Canvec ftp site (NTS 21e5 is file 021E05.zip). Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Roy [mailto:st...@ssni.ca] Sent: October-02-13 10:35 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing When I initially started adding to/editing OSM maps it was roads and trails from my GPS data. However in BC there are large areas where there is nothing on the map - so after finding this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec#Canvec_Product_-_Datasets I managed to d/l some tile sets from CanVec, added some roads, lakes, streams etc using Potlatch 2. I kept notes on what tiles from each set I had imported and make the edits as time allowed. It's probably slower than using JOSM, but I found it easier to use. One of the hardest parts (for me) is to figure out what set to d/l from http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/OSM/pub/ So my question is: Using Potlatch 2, what is the best/easiest way to figure out what set to d/l? Using the original question of the Larder Lake area in Ontario how would I get this info? Or if someone was to give me a GPS coordinate how could i find the tile set for that area? Thanks Steve ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 18:15 -0400, James Mast wrote:
> Anybody want to import this town? It's completely missing in OSM data
> except for {66}.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/32942
>
> -James
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Hello:
For what's it is worth, I'm slowly systematically importing Canvec
data. This is one really, really big country :-) Did I say really big.
For example Tile 0.0 then 0.1 then 0.2 etc
I'm up to Tile 041 I04 2.3
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CanvecImports/edits
So if you like I could jump ahead or behind as is this case :-)
Looks like the area you are referencing is 032 D 04
It is a painfully slow process of merging wetlands and forests,
removing duplicate nodes etc. I'm doing this "by hand", while reviewing
the data quality of the import.
Andrew
aka PurpleMustang, CanvecImports.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
When I initially started adding to/editing OSM maps it was roads and trails from my GPS data. However in BC there are large areas where there is nothing on the map - so after finding this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec#Canvec_Product_-_Datasets I managed to d/l some tile sets from CanVec, added some roads, lakes, streams etc using Potlatch 2. I kept notes on what tiles from each set I had imported and make the edits as time allowed. It's probably slower than using JOSM, but I found it easier to use. One of the hardest parts (for me) is to figure out what set to d/l from http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/OSM/pub/ So my question is: Using Potlatch 2, what is the best/easiest way to figure out what set to d/l? Using the original question of the Larder Lake area in Ontario how would I get this info? Or if someone was to give me a GPS coordinate how could i find the tile set for that area? Thanks Steve ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
James E, you might not have intended it that way, but your email came across as pretty hostile. If I had been the recipient, I certainly would not have been encouraged to contribute but to never ever mail to this list again. @James M.: Thanks for your initial email. The problem you pointed out has been solved and OSM just got a little better again. To the point about access to Canvec/Geobase data for the road names: If you use JOSM it's very easy: just go to "imagery" and choose "Geobase Roads." I usually trace the roads from bing and then use the Geobase layer for the road names and to check the plausibility of my traces. Harald. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, James Ewen wrote: > I understand your reasoning, but there are some flaws in the logic. > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM, James Mast > wrote: > > 1. I don't have access to the Canvec data that includes the road names. > > If one person has access to the data, everyone does. If the data were > not available, no one could import it. You might just not know where > to look. > > > 2. I didn't know if somebody was planning an import in that area. > > This is reasonable, but then how long have you been waiting for > someone to do something? When we all wait for someone else to do > something, we can wait a long time. > > > 3. I tend to stay out of areas that I'm not really failure with in > Ontario > > as I've never been that far North in Ontario (Canada Wonderland is about > as > > far as I've ever gone). > > Yes, it helps to be familiar with areas that you are importing, > however we don't have enough OSM mappers in Canada to be able to have > the luxury of having people familiar with each area importing those > areas. > > > So, in other words, I wanted to leave it to somebody that knows the > Canvec > > data better as I've never done an import. > > And still you have never done an import, so you're safe. The next > place you would like to see added to OSM, you can use the same > reasoning. > > I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but rather just point out > flaws in the rationale behind NOT being a participating member in the > OSM community. > > Only your second point is reasonable... making sure you are > coordinated with the rest of the community is a good thing. > > We probably have an awful lot of people sitting on their hands saying > "I don't have access to the data", and "Someone else will import it", > and finally "I've never done it before". That's the wrong attitude to > have on a crowd-sourced project like OSM. > > Get in there, learn where to get the data (BTW, OSM is not sole > sourced from CanVec), learn how to edit the map, and help everyone > gain access to a better map! > > I know I hear a lot of people complain about the quality of OSM maps > in other projects that use OSM maps, and I go through the same > "lecture" with them. If you don't like what you see on the map, get in > there and get your hands dirty. > > -- > James > VE6SRV > > And yes, I've been sitting on my hands for a long time as well, so I'm > as guilty as you. > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
I understand your reasoning, but there are some flaws in the logic. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM, James Mast wrote: > 1. I don't have access to the Canvec data that includes the road names. If one person has access to the data, everyone does. If the data were not available, no one could import it. You might just not know where to look. > 2. I didn't know if somebody was planning an import in that area. This is reasonable, but then how long have you been waiting for someone to do something? When we all wait for someone else to do something, we can wait a long time. > 3. I tend to stay out of areas that I'm not really failure with in Ontario > as I've never been that far North in Ontario (Canada Wonderland is about as > far as I've ever gone). Yes, it helps to be familiar with areas that you are importing, however we don't have enough OSM mappers in Canada to be able to have the luxury of having people familiar with each area importing those areas. > So, in other words, I wanted to leave it to somebody that knows the Canvec > data better as I've never done an import. And still you have never done an import, so you're safe. The next place you would like to see added to OSM, you can use the same reasoning. I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but rather just point out flaws in the rationale behind NOT being a participating member in the OSM community. Only your second point is reasonable... making sure you are coordinated with the rest of the community is a good thing. We probably have an awful lot of people sitting on their hands saying "I don't have access to the data", and "Someone else will import it", and finally "I've never done it before". That's the wrong attitude to have on a crowd-sourced project like OSM. Get in there, learn where to get the data (BTW, OSM is not sole sourced from CanVec), learn how to edit the map, and help everyone gain access to a better map! I know I hear a lot of people complain about the quality of OSM maps in other projects that use OSM maps, and I go through the same "lecture" with them. If you don't like what you see on the map, get in there and get your hands dirty. -- James VE6SRV And yes, I've been sitting on my hands for a long time as well, so I'm as guilty as you. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
1. I don't have access to the Canvec data that includes the road names.
2. I didn't know if somebody was planning an import in that area.
3. I tend to stay out of areas that I'm not really failure with in Ontario as
I've never been that far North in Ontario (Canada Wonderland is about as far as
I've ever gone).
So, in other words, I wanted to leave it to somebody that knows the Canvec data
better as I've never done an import.
-James
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:04:53 -0600
> From: ve6...@gmail.com
> To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, James Mast wrote:
>
> > Anybody want to import this town? It's completely missing in OSM data
> > except for {66}.
>
> Why ask someone else to import the town? OSM makes it possible for
> everyone and anyone to edit the map. That's one of the main premises
> behind the OSM model.
>
> --
> James
> VE6SRV
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Re: [Talk-ca] Larder Lake, Ontario completely missing
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, James Mast wrote:
> Anybody want to import this town? It's completely missing in OSM data
> except for {66}.
Why ask someone else to import the town? OSM makes it possible for
everyone and anyone to edit the map. That's one of the main premises
behind the OSM model.
--
James
VE6SRV
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