Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Andrew 
Richard Fairhurst  
writes:

> 
> Philip Barnes wrote:
> > I did briefly discuss this with 
Andy on IRC and the other issue is 
> > the insertion of soft-hyphens 
into the names so Hatton 
becomes 
> > Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he 
trying to make a satnav pronounce 
> > each syllable?
> 
> Or copied and pasted from a 
document?
> 
> cheers
> Richard

Is it any use for the API to allow 
soft happens at all?

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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Philip Barnes 
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 15:01 +0100, Colin Smale wrote:
> Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot of
> missing details across the whole planet. However he never seems to
> disclose his sources, either in the source tag or in changeset
> comments.
> 
I have spotted that Mauls has also been at the M6.

Newcastle-under-Lyme By-Pass
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/142640343


North of Birmingham - Preston By-Pass Special Road
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/119021052

All motorways are special roads, cannot believe the highways agency
would use that terminology. This one looks made up to me.

Back to the A50, the hyphens have gone.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Kevin Peat 
On 20 Feb 2013 21:14, "Chris Hill"  wrote:
>
> ...He copied data from a local newspaper article to name a road
wrongly...

Mauls might be wrong in this case but the name of a road in the local paper
isn't copyrighted. It's a basic fact, the newspaper didn't create it and
they certainly don't own it.

If I read in the local paper that the  Blockbusters down the road has
closed down I am perfectly free to use that information to remove it from
OSM. It is just ridiculous FUD to say otherwise.

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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Hill 

On 20/02/13 20:15, Kevin Peat wrote:



On 20 Feb 2013 19:38, "Dudley Ibbett" > wrote:

>
> ...I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude...
>

I don't know Mauls from Adam but how would you feel if you had been 
contributing to the project for five years and someone you'd never 
heard of sent you an unfriendly message threatening a ban for adding a 
name to a road?


IMHO, individual contributors shouldn't be threatening others with 
bans under any circumstances, this is what the OSMF is for.


Kevin (440k nodes)

I've exchanged messages with Mauls, about road naming and his sources. 
I've carefully explained that we need to use verifiable sources that we 
have a licence to use. The exchange included me suggesting that he might 
like to check with other people such as local mappers, that he could use 
help.osm, a mailing list, IRC etc and see what others think. He was just 
rude and told me he was right and I should leave him alone. He copied 
data from a local newspaper article to name a road wrongly, so I 
eventually reverted his edit, told him why I had done it and suggested 
that he needed to be more careful and respectful, especially about his 
sources.


The OSMF is there to facilitate the community, especially managing the 
infrastructure. It is up to the community to make the data as good as 
possible, including not standing for vandals, or persistent 
problem-causers. I support reverting edits by people who stubbornly 
refuse to conform our very simple, single rule - don't use copyright 
data without permission and also people who persistently make edits that 
are wrong or very poor quality even after repeated contacts and offers 
of guidance. Some of Mauls edits seem to me to fit this pattern.


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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Kevin Peat 
On 20 Feb 2013 19:38, "Dudley Ibbett"  wrote:
>
> ...I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude...
>

I don't know Mauls from Adam but how would you feel if you had been
contributing to the project for five years and someone you'd never heard of
sent you an unfriendly message threatening a ban for adding a name to a
road?

IMHO, individual contributors shouldn't be threatening others with bans
under any circumstances, this is what the OSMF is for.

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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Dudley Ibbett 

I am a novice when it comes to road names. I've probably only done a 
couple, if that, so apologies if I'm stating anything that is already 
well known.

A friend was involved in the construction of these 
bypasses.  I understand that the body for this was the Highways Agency 
and through their build they were known as the . bybass.  They would 
say they are still known as such.  It could well be argued that these 
are "official" names.  It appears that the Highways Agency has its own 
gazetteer for road descriptions (TRSG) and these are available on this 
website.  http://www.thensg.org.uk/iansg/welcome.htm  Perhaps he has 
access to this.   Unfortunately it seems to be tied up with OS so I 
doubt it is a resource OSM mappers can/should use.  

I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude.  

Dudley

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:01:27 +0100
From: colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)



Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot of missing 
details across the whole planet. However he never seems to disclose his 
sources, either in the source tag or in changeset comments.
Colin
On 2013-02-20 14:18, John Baker wrote:

I have had more correspondence from Mauls.

He is adamant that he is correct and that I don't know what I am doing (mainly 
because he has "contributed way more"  than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k 
nodes me vs 140k node Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some 
minor stuff before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). 

His attitude is that he will do what he wants.

Anyway the exchanges are getting rather nasty now so I may give up 
communicating with him or might embark on some more troll baiting later.

So maybe someone else (...well anyone else not necessarily user "SomeoneElse") 
can talk sense to him.

John



 
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800
> From: rich...@systemed.net
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
> 
> Philip Barnes wrote:
> > I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is 
> > the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes 
> > Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce 
> > each syllable?
> 
> Or copied and pasted from a document?
> 
> cheers
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Colin Smale 
 

Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot
of missing details across the whole planet. However he never seems to
disclose his sources, either in the source tag or in changeset comments.


Colin 

On 2013-02-20 14:18, John Baker wrote: 

> I have had more
correspondence from Mauls.
> 
> He is adamant that he is correct and
that I don't know what I am doing (mainly because he has "contributed
way more" than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k nodes me vs 140k node
Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some minor stuff
before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). 
> 
> His attitude is that
he will do what he wants.
> 
> Anyway the exchanges are getting rather
nasty now so I may give up communicating with him or might embark on
some more troll baiting later.
> 
> So maybe someone else (...well
anyone else not necessarily user "SomeoneElse") can talk sense to him.
>

> John
> 
> > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800
>> From:
rich...@systemed.net
>> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re:
[Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
>> 
>> Philip
Barnes wrote:
>> > I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the
other issue is 
>> > the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so
Hatton becomes 
>> > Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a
satnav pronounce 
>> > each syllable?
>> 
>> Or copied and pasted from a
document?
>> 
>> cheers
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread John Baker 
I have had more correspondence from Mauls.

He is adamant that he is correct and that I don't know what I am doing (mainly 
because he has "contributed way more"  than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k 
nodes me vs 140k node Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some 
minor stuff before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). 

His attitude is that he will do what he wants.

Anyway the exchanges are getting rather nasty now so I may give up 
communicating with him or might embark on some more troll baiting later.

So maybe someone else (...well anyone else not necessarily user "SomeoneElse") 
can talk sense to him.

John

> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800
> From: rich...@systemed.net
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
> 
> Philip Barnes wrote:
> > I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is 
> > the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes 
> > Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce 
> > each syllable?
> 
> Or copied and pasted from a document?
> 
> cheers
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst 
Philip Barnes wrote:
> I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is 
> the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes 
> Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce 
> each syllable?

Or copied and pasted from a document?

cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Using UK postcode data to generate a heat map

2013-02-20 Thread David Fisher 
Hi all,

Thanks for all your help with this.  Thought I should update.

After getting confirmation of the validity of using the data, my friend and
his colleagues successfully merged their postcode list with the CodePoint
Open dataset and sent me the results.  I then converted the
eastings/northings to lats/longs using a Python routine I found on the web
[1]  (having first tested it out in QGIS using random postcodes from
CodePoint Open, of course!) and sent it back to my friend who loaded the
data into OpenHeatMap.  His boss was happy and my friend bought me a couple
of pints, so all is well.

A few things to throw out there:

-- I'm now properly in awe of proper GIS users.  I had no idea that
coordinate systems were so numerous and so complicated.  For example, OS
themselves provide a stand-alone batch coordinate converter [2], and I
first tried using that to do the job, but found that the results didn't
match when loaded into QGIS.  So I searched again and found the Python
routine [2] which *did* match.  Evidently I wasn't using the OS software
correctly, but no idea why.

-- OpenHeatMap doesn't do true heat maps (or not that I could see anyway).
Its main use seems to be things like house-price variation, where you have
a *value* associated with each datapoint, rather than being interested in
the *density* of datapoints.  However, you can colour the points so that
their overlap creates the illusion of a heatmap, which is still pretty
useful for amateur use such as this.  I tried following the QGIS tutorial
kindly linked to by Steven Horner [3] but although each individual step
seemed to work, I couldn't get the same end results.

-- On a different but tangentially-related note, I had a look at the OS
contour data the other day, just for kicks.  It's in a format that, whilst
open-able by QGIS, bears no relation to any other data I have (e.g.
BoundaryLine shapefiles).  It uses a different co-ordinate system, and
Googling the relevant terminology lead me to a series of articles that each
left me more baffled than before.  Again: tricky stuff, this GIS lark.
Maybe I should stick to GPS uploads, POIs and Bing tracing ;-)

Again, thanks all.
David.


[1]
http://hannahfry.co.uk/2012/02/01/converting-british-national-grid-to-latitude-and-longitude-ii/
[2]
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/support/os-net/grid-inquest.html
[3]
http://qgis.spatialthoughts.com/2012/07/tutorial-making-heatmaps-using-qgis-and.html
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread SomeoneElse 

Chris Hill wrote:
How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for 
example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a 
suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming 
roads not the DfT.


(from OSM messages from the original mapper following my list post) I 
believe that the main evidence is this:


http://www.highways.gov.uk/our-road-network/managing-our-roads/private-finance-initiatives-design-build-finance-and-operate-dbfo/a50a564-stoke-to-derby-link-design-build-finance-and-operate-dbfo-contract/

I'm not convinced on a couple of counts - on that page it definitely 
reads like a description rather than a name (it's describing which 
sections of a road opened when).


Re licensing,

http://www.highways.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions/

says

"You may use and re-use the infor­ma­tion fea­tured on this web­site 
(not includ­ing logos) free of charge in any for­mat or medium, under 
the terms of the Open Gov­ern­ment Licence.", which links to:


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/

Along with Roger Calvert, I'd say that "Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass" 
sounds like a description rather than a name.


Cheers,

andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Philip Barnes 
There are no such signs on the road, it is just the A50. I travel along it 
every fortnight.

I would agree that we change the tags to something else, such as official_name 
or similar. I am happy to volunteer.

In the satnav senario long names such as this just confuse when the user does 
not see any on the ground confirmation.

I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the 
insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure 
why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable?

Phil (trigpoint)

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On 20/02/2013 10:09 co...@thespillers.org.uk wrote:

An internet search for "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass" gives a good number of 
results from official sources, including parliament and highways.gov.uk

The A650 Bingley Bypass/throughpass near me was recently given a name "Sir Fred 
Hoyle Way" and name signs at all the slip roads, so I added this to OSM. I take 
it there are no name signs for Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass?

Colin in Bingley




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Hill" 


To:"John Baker" , 

Cc:

Sent:Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:26:44 +

Subject:Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)


How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is 
copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK 
local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT.

Cheers Chris


John Baker  wrote:
I had a response.

Apparently these are "official" Department of Transport road names.

Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should be done 
about this.

"Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know appear on the 
ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I am worried about 
the trend in this case of placing them as the "name" of the road as what 
reference point would people use for these.

Any thoughts?

John


From: rovas...@hotmail.com
To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 +
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)


The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any comments. 
And they bounce all over the world

I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the history in OSM 
says they are new roads.

Can someone look at reverting them all.

I sent the user this PM.


"What are you doing with your edits here?:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720
You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with strange 
names. Where are you getting your information.
Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done.
Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and look at 
getting you banned.
Cheers,
John"






> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 +
> From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
> To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
>
> Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have
> grown names, for example here:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history
>
> I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't believe
> I've seen a name on any of the new sections.
>
> According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names:
>
> http://ris.dev.openstreetmaporg/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15&lat=52.87983&lon=-1.66551&layers=B0TT&view_mode=pseudorandom
>
> Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the A52
> "Brian Clough Way" between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used unoffical
> ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just the
> "Dronfield Bypass", but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being used.
>
> I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but thought
> that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything
> obvious. Do these names have any basis in reality? "Fos­ton Hat­ton
> Hilton Bypass**" sounds like something that might have been written on a
> planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> ** Some of the given names (such as "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass") are
> further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between
> syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places but
> not others.
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread colin 
An internet search for "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass" gives a good
number of results from official sources, including parliament and
highways.gov.uk

The A650 Bingley Bypass/throughpass near me was recently given a name
"Sir Fred Hoyle Way" and name signs at all the slip roads, so I added
this to OSM. I take it there are no name signs for Fos­ton Hat­ton
Hilton Bypass?

Colin in Bingley

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Hill" 
To:"John Baker" , 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:26:44 +
Subject:Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for
example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a
suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming
roads not the DfT.

 Cheers Chris

John Baker  wrote: I had a response.

Apparently these are "official" Department of Transport road names.

Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should
be done about this.

"Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know appear
on the ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I
am worried about the trend in this case of placing them as the "name"
of the road as what reference point would people use for these.

Any thoughts?

John

-
From: rovas...@hotmail.com
To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 +
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any
comments. And they bounce all over the world.

I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the
history in OSM says they are new roads. 

Can someone look at reverting them all.

I sent the user this PM.

"What are you doing with your edits here?:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720 [1]
 You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with
strange names. Where are you getting your information.
 Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done.
 Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and
look at getting you banned.
 Cheers,
 John"

> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 +
> From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
> To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
> 
> Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have

> grown names, for example here:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history
> 
> I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't
believe 
> I've seen a name on any of the new sections.
> 
> According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names:
> 
>
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15&lat=52.87983&lon=-1.66551&layers=B0TT&view_mode=pseudorandom
> 
> Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the
A52 
> "Brian Clough Way" between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used
unoffical 
> ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just
the 
> "Dronfield Bypass", but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being
used.
> 
> I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but
thought 
> that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything 
> obvious. Do these names have any basis in reality? "Fos­ton
Hat­ton 
> Hilton Bypass**" sounds like something that might have been written
on a 
> planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> ** Some of the given names (such as "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton
Bypass") are 
> further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between

> syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places
but 
> not others.
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Hill 
How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is 
copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK 
local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT.

Cheers Chris

John Baker  wrote:

>I had a response.
>
>Apparently these are "official" Department of Transport road names.
>
>Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should
>be done about this.
>
>"Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know appear on
>the ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I am
>worried about the trend in this case of placing them as the "name" of
>the road as what reference point would people use for these.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>John
>From: rovas...@hotmail.com
>To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 +
>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
>
>
>
>
>The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any
>comments. And they bounce all over the world.
>
>I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the history
>in OSM says they are new roads. 
>
>Can someone look at reverting them all.
>
>I sent the user this PM.
>
>"What are you doing with your edits here?:
>
>
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720
>
>
>You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with
>strange names. Where are you getting your information.
>
>
>Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done.
>
>
>Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and
>look at getting you banned.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>John"
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 +
>> From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
>> To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)
>> 
>> Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have 
>> grown names, for example here:
>> 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history
>> 
>> I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't
>believe 
>> I've seen a name on any of the new sections.
>> 
>> According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names:
>> 
>>
>http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15&lat=52.87983&lon=-1.66551&layers=B0TT&view_mode=pseudorandom
>> 
>> Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the
>A52 
>> "Brian Clough Way" between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used
>unoffical 
>> ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just
>the 
>> "Dronfield Bypass", but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being
>used.
>> 
>> I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but
>thought 
>> that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything 
>> obvious.  Do these names have any basis in reality? "Fos­ton Hat­ton 
>> Hilton Bypass**" sounds like something that might have been written
>on a 
>> planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> ** Some of the given names (such as "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass")
>are 
>> further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between 
>> syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places
>but 
>> not others.
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Roger Calvert 
'description' might be an appropriate tag - after all that is what the 
phrase "Foston Hat­ton Hilton Bypass" actually is.


Roger

On 20/02/2013 08:30, Richard Mann wrote:
I'd use alt_name. At least it's an established place to look for 
"alternative" stuff.



On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Richard Fairhurst 
mailto:rich...@systemed.net>> wrote:


Rovastar wrote:
> "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know
appear on
> the ground however I think the some record should appear in
> OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them
> as the "name" of the road as what reference point would people
> use for these.

Having lived near there (part time) for six years, certainly I
never heard
anyone call it that.

I tend to tag C-roads with admin_ref rather than ref, on the basis
that it's
a reference for administrative purposes rather than general usage.
By the
same token, maybe admin_name would work here, or something like it.

cheers
Richard





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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Richard Mann 
I'd use alt_name. At least it's an established place to look for
"alternative" stuff.


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> Rovastar wrote:
> > "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know appear on
> > the ground however I think the some record should appear in
> > OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them
> > as the "name" of the road as what reference point would people
> > use for these.
>
> Having lived near there (part time) for six years, certainly I never heard
> anyone call it that.
>
> I tend to tag C-roads with admin_ref rather than ref, on the basis that
> it's
> a reference for administrative purposes rather than general usage. By the
> same token, maybe admin_name would work here, or something like it.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] "road names" along the A50 (and elsewhere)

2013-02-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst 
Rovastar wrote:
> "Fos­ton Hat­ton Hilton Bypass", etc  don't as far I I know appear on 
> the ground however I think the some record should appear in 
> OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them 
> as the "name" of the road as what reference point would people 
> use for these.

Having lived near there (part time) for six years, certainly I never heard
anyone call it that.

I tend to tag C-roads with admin_ref rather than ref, on the basis that it's
a reference for administrative purposes rather than general usage. By the
same token, maybe admin_name would work here, or something like it.

cheers
Richard





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