[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hi, First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and give your feedback when you're done. Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring process to get it all done. Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland, but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally expected. What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an absolute minimum, could do the following - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure every new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. Basically, just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new folks in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if this is done right. - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising, tools and import process). - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1 month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi or keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real, lasting impact on the map - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2 years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks that is easily within reach. - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away where we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground in a town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in one day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks. In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and to avoid burnout. Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's kind of the point of this email :) With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is the following 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note, this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and, most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some tasks to keep the process moving. 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note, this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland and elections would be held at that first meeting. 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for first general meeting to be determined and election process to begin There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green milkshakes hits McDonalds, we would be a formal
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hi Dave, On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote: > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an > absolute minimum, could do the following [snip] Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already functioning group. My 2¢. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
I'm happy to support in any way possible. I'm based down in Cork so happy to support activities down this way as well as nationally. Keep us looped in regarding dates, etc (happy to travel / video conference for any meetups). Donal On 14 Aug 2017 07:33, "Martín Ferrari" wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an > > absolute minimum, could do the following > [snip] > > Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity > needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be > done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no > point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already > functioning group. > > My 2¢. > > -- > Martín Ferrari (Tincho) > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Anything that reinvigorates the OSM in Ireland I am in favour of. Having an immediate goal of setting up formal structures seems like a good short term goal to reboot the informal organisation to via regular meetings and build from that. Other then that most of what is being discussed is new to me. Tadeusz On 14 August 2017 at 17:13, Donal Hunt wrote: > I'm happy to support in any way possible. I'm based down in Cork so happy > to support activities down this way as well as nationally. > > Keep us looped in regarding dates, etc (happy to travel / video conference > for any meetups). > > Donal > > On 14 Aug 2017 07:33, "Martín Ferrari" wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > > > On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > > > > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an > > > absolute minimum, could do the following > > [snip] > > > > Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity > > needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be > > done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no > > point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already > > functioning group. > > > > My 2¢. > > > > -- > > Martín Ferrari (Tincho) > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an official body. And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But I'll help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a DAC (designed activity company(?)) On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: Hi, First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and give your feedback when you're done. Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring process to get it all done. Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland, but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally expected. What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an absolute minimum, could do the following - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure every new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. Basically, just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new folks in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if this is done right. - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising, tools and import process). - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1 month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi or keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real, lasting impact on the map - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2 years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks that is easily within reach. - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away where we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground in a town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in one day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks. In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and to avoid burnout. Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's kind of the point of this email :) With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is the following 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note, this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and, most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at this point. Again, some people would need to
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hi all, Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with this. Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an informal grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I feel there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( we are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual, the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one, where several of us come together and blitz the main items: - Constitution - Memorandum of association - Articles of association - Interim board - etc etc What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the way there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for feedback, comment and to close out any remaining items. I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this, say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a single day, to get a much larger group to participate. In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise some sponsorship of refreshments. Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday in Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for refreshments. Dave On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > > Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but > you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would > be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an > official body. > > And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! > > Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But I'll > help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a > DAC (designed activity company(?)) > > On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all >> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and >> give your feedback when you're done. >> >> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and >> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the >> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring >> process to get it all done. >> >> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I >> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow >> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions >> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I >> recall >> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland, >> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio >> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally >> expected. >> >> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an >> absolute minimum, could do the following >> >> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation >> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. >> This >> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even >> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement >> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple >> things >> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure >> every >> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. >> Basically, >> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new >> folks >> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason >> why a >> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period >> if >> this is done right. >> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of >> open >> data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a >> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to host if you wanted the 14th. Jeffrey Roe, www.tog.ie On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley wrote: > Hi all, > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with > this. > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an informal > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I feel > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( we > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual, > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one, > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > - Constitution > - Memorandum of association > - Articles of association > - Interim board > - etc etc > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the way > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for feedback, > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this, > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a single > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday in > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > refreshments. > > Dave > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. >> >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an >> official body. >> >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! >> >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But I'll >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) >> >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and >>> give your feedback when you're done. >>> >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring >>> process to get it all done. >>> >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I >>> recall >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland, >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally >>> expected. >>> >>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an >>> absolute minimum, could do the following >>> >>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation >>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. >>> This >>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even >>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement >>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple >>> things >>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure >>> every >>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. >>> Basi
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hi Jeffrey, A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. Dave On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe wrote: > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > host if you wanted the 14th. > Jeffrey Roe, > www.tog.ie > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with > > this. > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > informal > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > feel > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( > we > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual, > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one, > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > - Constitution > > - Memorandum of association > > - Articles of association > > - Interim board > > - etc etc > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the > way > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > feedback, > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this, > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > single > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday > in > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > refreshments. > > > > Dave > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann > wrote: > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > >> > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an > >> official body. > >> > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! > >> > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But I'll > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > >> > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on > and > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > >>> > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, > boring > >>> process to get it all done. > >>> > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to > allow > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few > questions > >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I > >>> recall > >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM > Ireland, > >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that > ratio > >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally > >>> expected. > >>> > >>> What I would love to see is a function
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As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my name down to host the event. Tad On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley wrote: > Hi Jeffrey, > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > Dave > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe wrote: > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > Jeffrey Roe, > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > with > > > this. > > > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > quiet > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to > do > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > informal > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > about > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > > feel > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place > ( > > we > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the > mail > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > usual, > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think > its > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single > one, > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > > > - Constitution > > > - Memorandum of association > > > - Articles of association > > > - Interim board > > > - etc etc > > > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the > > way > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > feedback, > > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > this, > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > > single > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > organise > > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday > > in > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > > refreshments. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann > > wrote: > > > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > > >> > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an > > >> official body. > > >> > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! > > >> > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But > I'll > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > > >> > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at > all > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on > > and > > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > > >>> > > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the > > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, > > boring > > >>> process to get it all done. > > >>> > > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, > I > > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to > > allow > > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Much appreciated folks. Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket booth to track numbers then. Thanks again, Dave On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" wrote: > As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my > name down to host the event. > Tad > > On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley wrote: > > > Hi Jeffrey, > > > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > Would > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > there > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for > > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > > > Dave > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe wrote: > > > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > > Jeffrey Roe, > > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > > with > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > > quiet > > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible > to > > do > > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > > informal > > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > organisational > > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > its > > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > > about > > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > > > feel > > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > place > > ( > > > we > > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the > > mail > > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > > usual, > > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think > > its > > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single > > one, > > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > > > > > - Constitution > > > > - Memorandum of association > > > > - Articles of association > > > > - Interim board > > > > - etc etc > > > > > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > the > > > way > > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > > feedback, > > > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > > this, > > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > > > single > > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > > organise > > > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > Saturday > > > in > > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to > be > > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > > > refreshments. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, > but > > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it > would > > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from > an > > > >> official body. > > > >> > > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of > us! > > > >> > > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But > > I'll > > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is > now a > > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > > > >> > > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi, > > > >>> > > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at > > all > > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read > on > > > and > > > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > > > >>> > > > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good right now. Thanks! Donal On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley wrote: > Much appreciated folks. > > Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket > booth to track numbers then. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" wrote: > > > As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my > > name down to host the event. > > Tad > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley wrote: > > > > > Hi Jeffrey, > > > > > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > > Would > > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > > there > > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time > for > > > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe > wrote: > > > > > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to > host > > > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > > > Jeffrey Roe, > > > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail > list, > > > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > > > with > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > > > quiet > > > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible > > to > > > do > > > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > > > informal > > > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > > organisational > > > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > > its > > > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > > > about > > > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right > now I > > > > feel > > > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > > place > > > ( > > > > we > > > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > > > > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, > the > > > mail > > > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > > > usual, > > > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I > think > > > its > > > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a > single > > > one, > > > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > > > > > > > - Constitution > > > > > - Memorandum of association > > > > > - Articles of association > > > > > - Interim board > > > > > - etc etc > > > > > > > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > > the > > > > way > > > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > > > feedback, > > > > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > > > this, > > > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to > a > > > > single > > > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > > > > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > > > organise > > > > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > > > > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > > Saturday > > > > in > > > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > > > > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just > to > > be > > > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > > > > refreshments. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set > up. > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, > > but > > > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it > > would > > > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're > from > > an > > > > >> official body. > > > > >> > > > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of > > us! > > > > >> > > > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 > But > > > I'll > > > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setti
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can at all. It would be good to put faces to the names. Regards John On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote: > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some > leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good right > now. > Thanks! > > Donal > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley wrote: > >> Much appreciated folks. >> >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket >> booth to track numbers then. >> >> Thanks again, >> Dave >> >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" wrote: >> >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my >>> name down to host the event. >>> Tad >>> >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley wrote: >>> Hi Jeffrey, A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. >>> Would it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that >>> there will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time >> for discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. Dave On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe >> wrote: > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to >> host > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > host if you wanted the 14th. > Jeffrey Roe, > www.tog.ie > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley >>> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail >> list, >> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with >> this. >> >> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet >> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible >>> to do >> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > informal >> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and >>> organisational >> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think >>> its >> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about >> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right >> now I > feel >> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in >>> place ( > we >> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). >> >> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, >> the mail >> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual, >> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I >> think its >> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a >> single one, >> where several of us come together and blitz the main items: >> >> - Constitution >> - Memorandum of association >> - Articles of association >> - Interim board >> - etc etc >> >> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of >>> the > way >> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > feedback, >> comment and to close out any remaining items. >> >> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this, >> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to >> a > single >> day, to get a much larger group to participate. >> >> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise >> some sponsorship of refreshments. >> >> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a >>> Saturday > in >> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. >> >> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just >> to >>> be >> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for >> refreshments. >> >> Dave >> >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann wrote: >>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set >> up. >>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, >>> but >>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it >>> would >>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're >> from >>> an >>> official body. >>> >>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of >>> us! >>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 >> But I'll >>> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was >>> originally an unincorporated asso
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
John & Donal, It's definitely a case of the more, the better. Dave On 12 Sep 2017 09:03, "John Ronan" wrote: > I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can > at all. It would be good to put faces to the names. > > Regards > John > > On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote: > > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need > some > > leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good > right > > now. > > Thanks! > > > > Donal > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley > wrote: > > > >> Much appreciated folks. > >> > >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a > ticket > >> booth to track numbers then. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Dave > >> > >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" wrote: > >> > >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put > my > >>> name down to host the event. > >>> Tad > >>> > >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley > wrote: > >>> > Hi Jeffrey, > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > >>> Would > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > >>> there > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time > >> for > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > Dave > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe > >> wrote: > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to > >> host > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > Jeffrey Roe, > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley > >>> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail > >> list, > >> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > with > >> this. > >> > >> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > quiet > >> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible > >>> to > do > >> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > informal > >> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > >>> organisational > >> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > >>> its > >> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > about > >> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right > >> now I > > feel > >> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > >>> place > ( > > we > >> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > >> > >> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, > >> the > mail > >> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > usual, > >> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I > >> think > its > >> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a > >> single > one, > >> where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > >> > >> - Constitution > >> - Memorandum of association > >> - Articles of association > >> - Interim board > >> - etc etc > >> > >> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > >>> the > > way > >> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > feedback, > >> comment and to close out any remaining items. > >> > >> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > this, > >> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to > >> a > > single > >> day, to get a much larger group to participate. > >> > >> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > organise > >> some sponsorship of refreshments. > >> > >> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > >>> Saturday > > in > >> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > >> > >> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just > >> to > >>> be > >> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > >> refreshments. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann > wrote: > >>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set > >> up. > >>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, > >>> but > >>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I susp
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hey guys, I'd love to tag along and try integrate into the community if possible. Also based in Cork Alternatively would love to skype in and out when possible Thanks On 12 September 2017 at 20:54, Dave Corley wrote: > John & Donal, > > It's definitely a case of the more, the better. > > Dave > > On 12 Sep 2017 09:03, "John Ronan" wrote: > > > I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can > > at all. It would be good to put faces to the names. > > > > Regards > > John > > > > On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote: > > > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need > > some > > > leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good > > right > > > now. > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Donal > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley > > wrote: > > > > > >> Much appreciated folks. > > >> > > >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a > > ticket > > >> booth to track numbers then. > > >> > > >> Thanks again, > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" wrote: > > >> > > >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put > > my > > >>> name down to host the event. > > >>> Tad > > >>> > > >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley > > wrote: > > >>> > > Hi Jeffrey, > > > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > > >>> Would > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > > >>> there > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time > > >> for > > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you > (or > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > > > Dave > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe > > >> wrote: > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to > > >> host > > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else > to > > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > > Jeffrey Roe, > > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley > > >>> wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail > > >> list, > > >> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go > ahead > > with > > >> this. > > >> > > >> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to > stay > > quiet > > >> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its > possible > > >>> to > > do > > >> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > > informal > > >> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > > >>> organisational > > >> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > > >>> its > > >> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > > about > > >> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right > > >> now I > > > feel > > >> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > > >>> place > > ( > > > we > > >> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > >> > > >> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, > > >> the > > mail > > >> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > > usual, > > >> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I > > >> think > > its > > >> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a > > >> single > > one, > > >> where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > >> > > >> - Constitution > > >> - Memorandum of association > > >> - Articles of association > > >> - Interim board > > >> - etc etc > > >> > > >> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > > >>> the > > > way > > >> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > > feedback, > > >> comment and to close out any remaining items. > > >> > > >> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > > this, > > >> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to > > >> a > > > single > > >> day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > >> > > >> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > > organise > > >> some sponsorship of refreshments. > > >> > > >> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > > >>> Saturday > > > in > > >> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > >> > > >>
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
Hi Dave and others I am interested to attend as well On 14 August 2017 at 02:52, Dave Corley wrote: > Hi, > > First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all > interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and > give your feedback when you're done. > > Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the > starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring > process to get it all done. > > Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I > contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow > for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions > specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall > correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland, > but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio > is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally > expected. > > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an > absolute minimum, could do the following > >- Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation >around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This >could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even >setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement >- Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things >like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure > every >new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. > Basically, >just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new > folks >in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a >number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if >this is done right. >- Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open >data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a >signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising, >tools and import process). >- Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1 >month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi > or >keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping >project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real, >lasting impact on the map >- Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need >to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one >day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2 >years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's >enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks >that is easily within reach. >- Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest >population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location >outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away > where >we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground > in a >town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in > one >day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks. > > In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on > them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and > to avoid burnout. > > Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland > should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's > kind of the point of this email :) > > With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is > the following > > 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come > together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note, > this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and, > most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research > whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal > requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc > > 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is > locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at > this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some tasks to > keep the process moving. > > 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last > elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board > probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note, > this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland and > elections would be held at that first meeting. > > 4. Jan, get all th