Re: [Talk-transit] New versions of NaPTAN now publicly available under free license?
On 22/03/2010 12:43, Thomas Wood wrote: Oh, and with regards to our licencing terms: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/2009-March/000163.html Thanks Thomas, Roger; My confusion was that I thought OSM merely had rights to use NaPTAN data under the terms of CC-BY-SA (or at least the OSM wiki seemed to suggest so, but it's possibly outdated). Strictly speaking, I think that would require OSM to give attribution ot the rights holder, eg. on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors I think the same would apply if NaPTAN data was taken from data.gov.uk; the recently-rewritten data.gov.uk terms ( http://data.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions ) require attribution as well. But I was making a very strict interpretation; I'm sure the intention was for OSM to be able to use NaPTAN data freely. Maybe the text of the March 12th email provides sufficient legal permission to do so (whether downloaded from the NaPTAN site or through data.gov.uk). Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Britse overheid geven kaarten weg....
Tim Francois wrote: Voor meer informatie/for more information, head to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata Tim Mooie samenvatting: stafkaarten zijn er ook bij knip plak: Ce qui est disponible: - la base Meridian2, des données vectorielles des routes/rues avec leur nom mais la géométrie serait simplifiée, - une autre base appellée VectorMap District dont le contenu reste à identifier, - StreetView, des plans images à l'échelle 1:10 000 avec les voies et leur classification, bâti, plans d'eaux et rivières, zones végétales (tout ça à vérifier) (5700 tuiles de 5 km de coté pour l'Angleterre) - codes postaux sous forme malheureusement de point (barycentre) et non de zones (particularisme anglais, ces zones sont plus petites qu'en France et ne correspondent pas aux limites communales) - limites adminsitratives - une base de coutours terrain land-Form PANORAMA mais je ne connais pas sa précision -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Britse overheid geven kaarten weg....
I have yesterday already written a little mail to IGN.be contact to ask when we could have the same as in Britain in Be. Maybe another similar question of one of you can support the request and show the interest See ign.be contact page in Fr or Nl. Thanks, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk] RFC proposed relation type=waterway
Hi there, smarties and I (werner2101) have created a proposal about waterway relations. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway The proposed tagging is already used a lot, thus the proposal is more a documentation of the current tagging. We've started to talk to all major contributors of waterway relations and hopefully we can find a consensus of a unified waterway mapping in the near future. Any comments about the tagging and possible extentions are welcome. Regards Werner (werner2101) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Post code areas
Hi, we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with boundary=post_code_area or so. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey
Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata . Looks like the demand is too great ;) Anybody actually managed to register yet? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 1 April 2010 19:49, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? We're using them in Australia, as for schema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data and I created a style sheet to display progress and make it easy to see at a quick glance broken or not yet completed areas: http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=4ll=-28.228,134.963layer=00BFF Also these are being imported manually to ensure good QA on the data, Franc who imported the suburb data produced .osm files and then using those in JOSM to compare existing boundaries that can be shared... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Hi, John Smith wrote: We're using them in Australia, as for schema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data Hm. I'm somewhat reluctant to tag a post code boundary an administrative boundary. Our postal service is on its way to being a private enterprise now. Also these are being imported manually to ensure good QA on the data, Franc who imported the suburb data produced .osm files and then using those in JOSM to compare existing boundaries that can be shared... That's one thing we're contemplating. It is a bit difficult because of the relations involved (one boundary line is used by two neighouring relations, so anyone importing a region manually would have to check for already-imported regions around to share their boundary lines). But of course it also helps avoid problems. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Also hi Frederik Ramm schrieb: we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? +1 I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with boundary=post_code_area or so. In rural areas you often can use the administrative boundaries but in cities this often does not work, because the postcode boundaries differe to the suburb boundaries. I added the postcode to a associatedStreet relation using addr:postcode=* and split the relation in parts (one for each postcode) if there exists more then one. Cheers colliar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAku0fQ0ACgkQalWTFLzqsCsScQCg3p3AMsqwqiKoC8phTgAIlHBf KAUAnjieRhrTGgKp0bJlwY9HHyF3ua30 =SsQ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 1 April 2010 20:54, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hm. I'm somewhat reluctant to tag a post code boundary an administrative boundary. Our postal service is on its way to being a private enterprise now. It was like that before I came along, I don't know how much this was discussed before hand, I've just been adding missing postcodes etc. That's one thing we're contemplating. It is a bit difficult because of the relations involved (one boundary line is used by two neighouring relations, so anyone importing a region manually would have to check for already-imported regions around to share their boundary lines). But of course it also helps avoid problems. I believe some people have scripts that could possibly merge duplicate ways, but in the end we decided to do things manually since by the time we did extensive testing on scripts etc it would probably be just as quick to do things manually, especially since people have incorrectly merged boundaries and broken polygons etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 1 April 2010 21:13, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2010 20:54, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hm. I'm somewhat reluctant to tag a post code boundary an administrative boundary. Our postal service is on its way to being a private enterprise now. It was like that before I came along, I don't know how much this was discussed before hand, I've just been adding missing postcodes etc. Forgot to mention that postcode boundaries share ways with suburb and even state boundaries so it can be useful in that respect... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:31 AM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Also hi Frederik Ramm schrieb: we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? +1 I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with boundary=post_code_area or so. In rural areas you often can use the administrative boundaries but in cities this often does not work, because the postcode boundaries differe to the suburb boundaries. I added the postcode to a associatedStreet relation using addr:postcode=* and split the relation in parts (one for each postcode) if there exists more then one. Canadian Postal Codes can indicate an entire small town, or a portion of a very large building. Suburban Postal Codes often refer to a dozen or so houses on one side of the street. Neighbours on the other side of the street, or across the back yard have a different postal code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada#Components_of_a_postal_code ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
In the USA, postal-code (Zip code) boundaries don't necessarily correspond to other administrative boundaries, and are frequently adjusted by the Post Office to balance out the load on different local post offices. Also, real-estate developers sometimes get the Post Office to shift a Zip-code boundary so that a particular street or neighborhood will be in a more-prestigious Zip code. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:17:45 To: Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org Cc: OSMtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas On 1 April 2010 21:13, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2010 20:54, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hm. I'm somewhat reluctant to tag a post code boundary an administrative boundary. Our postal service is on its way to being a private enterprise now. It was like that before I came along, I don't know how much this was discussed before hand, I've just been adding missing postcodes etc. Forgot to mention that postcode boundaries share ways with suburb and even state boundaries so it can be useful in that respect... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey
You will find links and info from this morning on the talk-gb list Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Lester Caine Sent: 01 April 2010 11:06 AM To: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata . Looks like the demand is too great ;) Anybody actually managed to register yet? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2782 - Release Date: 03/31/10 19:32:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:36 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In the USA, postal-code (Zip code) boundaries don't necessarily correspond to other administrative boundaries, and are frequently adjusted by the Post Office to balance out the load on different local post offices. Also, real-estate developers sometimes get the Post Office to shift a Zip-code boundary so that a particular street or neighborhood will be in a more-prestigious Zip code. Why are US Zip codes being dragged into a discussion of German postal codes? -- Jeff Ollie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: planet-100331.osm-broken
Sorry I meant to send this to talk but gmail auto-completed to talk-us. -- Forwarded message -- From: Nakor Osm nakor@gmail.com Date: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM Subject: planet-100331.osm-broken To: talk...@openstreetmap.org Hello, Was there an issue with the planet extract this week? If yes what was it? Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 1 April 2010 23:56, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Why are US Zip codes being dragged into a discussion of German postal codes? Because Frederik asked if someone else was mapping post codes? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Why are US Zip codes being dragged into a discussion of German postal codes? I think the discussion is about unifying the post_code tagging. If we could avoid so many different tags like postal_code, addr:postcode, zip_code, boudary=post_code, etc for the same thing... Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: planet-100331.osm-broken
On 1 April 2010 15:07, Nakor Osm nakor@gmail.com wrote: Was there an issue with the planet extract this week? If yes what was it? Planet file was truncated. Currently re-generating. ETA is early tomorrow UTC. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Why are US Zip codes being dragged into a discussion of German postal codes? Did you know that the US calls their postal codes, Zip Codes? Considering post code usage in multiple countries is a good idea before developing a post code schema for a global map. Frederik started this thread by asking what schema others were using. I hope that we can trick him into creating another really useful schema for all of us. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
Google, Waze and OSMF have partnered on a common initiative to explore crowd-sourced mapping solutions. Yes, this is real. See: www.closedstreetmap.org for the full press release. Contact me if you want to be involved. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - zone of alienation
Hi, i want to suggest the "zone of alienation" feature because you usually don't want to get inside one and no navigationsystem should suggest such a route. I will be hard to map these zones, but it still makes sense in my oppinion as long as the dose is far far beond natural radiation. But possibly nobody wants to map such an area we will have to rely on local authoritys, witch is in my oppinion better than ingnoring these areas. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/zone_of_alienation -rtzui GRATIS fr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT!Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
Google, Waze and OSMF have partnered on a common initiative to explore crowd-sourced mapping solutions. Yes, this is real. See: www.closedstreetmap.org for the full press release. Contact me if you want to be involved It's (well) after 12:00 here and in most of the world! ;-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - zone of alienation
Sorry for using HTML! -rtzui ___ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with boundary=post_code_area or so. I don't think there is much consistency on anything postcode related (beyond addr:postcode postal_code nodes) so my feeling would be that implementing a nice solid spec would help everyone. Can I ask you to take into account that postcodes/zipcodes apply at different levels of details in different countries, and in some cases there are multiple levels of details even within the same country. As such perhaps something like either: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code postal_code = 425253 postal_code_level = street | town | city | county or even boundary = postal_code street_postal_code = B35 1RT Otherwise data users have to guess the level of detail based on the content of the postcode and the country. -- Brian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
Happy April Fool's Day to you! --Original Message-- From: SteveC Sender: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: p...@opengeodata.posterous.com To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list To: geowank...@geowanking.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org Sent: Apr 1, 2010 10:33 AM Google, Waze and OSMF have partnered on a common initiative to explore crowd-sourced mapping solutions. Yes, this is real. See: www.closedstreetmap.org for the full press release. Contact me if you want to be involved. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code postal_code = 425253 postal_code_level = street | town | city | county That doesn't make sense for Australian postcodes, check out the links I posted... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
On 2 April 2010 01:47, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: It's (well) after 12:00 here and in most of the world! ;-) It's april 2nd here... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code postal_code = 425253 postal_code_level = street | town | city | county That doesn't make sense for Australian postcodes, check out the links I posted... From the wiki link you posted Australian postcodes are approx. suburb level / admin_level 8 The data you are importing already includes an admin_level = 8 tag which is exactly the same concept as the above. -- Brian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 02:13, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code postal_code = 425253 postal_code_level = street | town | city | county That doesn't make sense for Australian postcodes, check out the links I posted... From the wiki link you posted Australian postcodes are approx. suburb level / admin_level 8 The data you are importing already includes an admin_level = 8 tag which is exactly the same concept as the above. I meant about street/town/city/county... since some postcodes are half a state in size... but never smaller than a suburb... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:16 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 02:13, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2010 01:51, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 or boundary = postal_code postal_code = 425253 postal_code_level = street | town | city | county That doesn't make sense for Australian postcodes, check out the links I posted... From the wiki link you posted Australian postcodes are approx. suburb level / admin_level 8 The data you are importing already includes an admin_level = 8 tag which is exactly the same concept as the above. I meant about street/town/city/county... since some postcodes are half a state in size... but never smaller than a suburb... Well, yes. But full UK postcodes can cover either all, or part of a street, or a single building - I'd still naturally call them a street level postcode (as opposed to a building or suburb level). I'd assume that the preferred usage would be defined per country in the same way that admin_level and road to highway types are. -- Brian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 02:23, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: I'd assume that the preferred usage would be defined per country in the same way that admin_level and road to highway types are. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
Google, Waze and OSMF have partsnip Just to users of OSM from countries and cultures that do not know about April the 1st, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools% 27_Day I was born in Sweden. April fools is very popular there. I live in Greece now and here it is not popular or known. There are other cultures where it's not known. I know April Fools pranks are a temptation, the reason why it was posted on this mailing list, especially since I am fully sure it is a very popular cultural thing in Great Britain, but not worldwide. So to prevent heart attacks. Anyway, please anyone list a worldwide thing which is celebrated. Kind regards, Niklas -- signature.asc Description: Αυτό το σημείο του μηνύματος είναι ψηφιακά υπογεγραμμ ένο ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Hi, Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on how densely populated an area is. So a five-digit code might sometimes encompass a whole region, sometimes a town, sometimes just a quarter. That doesn't technically make them different kinds of post codes, and any labeling like street/district/city would be purely the mapper's guess. Are there really countries where if you ask someone for their post code they will reply do you mean my street post code or my district post code? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] setting up a new PostGIS server, now MapNik doesn't render PostGis data any more
Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: so it is a problem of the settings? From googling it seems i need to set extent to -180,-90, 180,89.99 ? Yes, something like that. Do i also need to change the SRS? At the moment it is set to: +proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs +over The SRS in each of your layer descriptions that access PostGIS must be changed to proj=latlon. The SRS of your map will remain whatever you want the map to be produced in. Be aware that using an extent that is larger than the map SRS allows might break things, so if you want to produce maps in EPGS:900913 (normal tiles) then you should only specify +/- 85 in your extent, not +/- 90. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 03:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have From what I understand, in the UK postcodes refer to a street, at least in populated areas... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
In the USA, also, postal codes in low-population areas tend to be much larger than those in densely-populated areas. In addition, we have both five-digit postal codes and nine-digit postal codes; the latter divide up the five-digit zones into sub-zones, typically containing only a few buildings each. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:31:41 To: Brian Quinionopenstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk Cc: OSMtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas Hi, Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on how densely populated an area is. So a five-digit code might sometimes encompass a whole region, sometimes a town, sometimes just a quarter. That doesn't technically make them different kinds of post codes, and any labeling like street/district/city would be purely the mapper's guess. Are there really countries where if you ask someone for their post code they will reply do you mean my street post code or my district post code? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on how densely populated an area is. So a five-digit code might sometimes encompass a whole region, sometimes a town, sometimes just a quarter. That doesn't technically make them different kinds of post codes, and any labeling like street/district/city would be purely the mapper's guess. Wikipedia tells me that partial Canadian Postal codes are useful to the post office[1]. In K1A 0B1 - K is the postal district, K1A is the Forward Sortation Area and 0B1 is the Local Delivery Unit. Sounds like internal use only to me. Are there really countries where if you ask someone for their post code they will reply do you mean my street post code or my district post code? In my experience, in Canada folks will only answer with their complete 6-digit postal code (If they know it at all.) In the US, Zip Codes changed from 5 numeric digits to 9 numeric digits in 1983[2]. In my experience I am much more likely to hear just the old 5-digit Zip Code rather than the Zip+four that could be considered the official zip code in conversation. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_codes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Brian Quinion wrote: boundary=street_postal_code | district_postal_code | city_postal_code street_postal_code = 425253 I'm having difficulties in grasping this concept. In Germany we have 5-digit post codes, and the associated regions vary in size depending on how densely populated an area is. So a five-digit code might sometimes encompass a whole region, sometimes a town, sometimes just a quarter. That doesn't technically make them different kinds of post codes, and any labeling like street/district/city would be purely the mapper's guess. I've not explained well. My point is that different countries have postcodes that work at different scales. Some countries have multiple sets of postcodes for different levels of detail. When trying to process data on a world wide basis it would make life easier for data processors if boundary=post_code did not to refer to a completely different level of detail depending on the country. Effectively at the moment the postal_code tag can mean something very different in two different countries despite being the same tag. -- Brian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, we're thinking about importing post code areas in Germany. Are post code areas being mapped in other countries already, and if so, using what tagging schema? I was thinking of creating multipolygon boundary relations with boundary=post_code_area or so. Do we really want to import these kinds of administrative boundaries? If a regular old mapper can't go out with a GPS and verify that a border actually exists, does this sort of data belong in OSM? It seems like someone that wants to use the data should go get it from the authoritative source and overlay it on top of OSM what's on the ground data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Hi, Ian Dees wrote: Do we really want to import these kinds of administrative boundaries? If a regular old mapper can't go out with a GPS and verify that a border actually exists, does this sort of data belong in OSM? A question that applies to all administrative boundaries, even most national boundaries in Europe nowadays. Like you, I am skeptical about them and would prefer them being kept in a separate database. Post code areas are tremendously useful in Germany because they are commonly used as a cheap machine readable form of location descriptor (enter your post code to find the nearest band branch etc). That alone doesn't justify importing them. My main reasoning is 1. there is no free data set of municipal boundaries in Germany 2. therefore I'd like to use OSM to crowd-source that data 3. postcode boundaries will often run alongside municipal boundaries 4. so importing post codes is a good start to achive 2. In our case, in addition to the above, the only free post code dataset available is a bit aged, and unmaintained, and will need to be corrected by the crowd. It seems like someone that wants to use the data should go get it from the authoritative source and overlay it on top of OSM what's on the ground data. Generally that would be my idea too if (a) the data is free, (b) being well maintained by a third party and (c) not all that useful for us to derive anything from. If these conditions are all met then it makes very little sense to import the data. In our postcode case, only (a) is true and (b) and (c) are false, that's what lets me want to make an exception. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 03:59, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Do we really want to import these kinds of administrative boundaries? If a regular old mapper can't go out with a GPS and verify that a border actually exists, does this sort of data belong in OSM? How many admin boundaries, except country boundaries, can be actually verified with a GPS? Unless the boundary follows a geographical feature, such as a river, these boundaries exist only on paper ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
John Smith wrote: On 2 April 2010 03:59, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Do we really want to import these kinds of administrative boundaries? If a regular old mapper can't go out with a GPS and verify that a border actually exists, does this sort of data belong in OSM? How many admin boundaries, except country boundaries, can be actually verified with a GPS? Unless the boundary follows a geographical feature, such as a river, these boundaries exist only on paper Even country boundaries can be problematic, for example the land border between Ireland and the UK. I don't believe it is fully marked on the ground. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM and accessibility for walking impaired and people with temporary or permanent reduced mobility
Hi all. as me and my colleagues to manage a participatory mapping process on accessibility for wheelchairs and persons with reduced mobility. It is set in a small town in the middle of Tuscany (around 2 citizens), We would be interested in sharing ideas, experiences, guidelines and best practices with other users and participants to similar project. The whole participatory mapping process will be using OSM as base map for which we are the main contributors for the area of interest ( http://osm.org/go/xX6gpfyw-- ) but we would like to adopt OSM infrastructure also for collaboratively mapping the accessibility and sharing the results. From a preliminary search on the OSM wiki and Google there are some related projects within the OSM community but still it seems there is no any working group or structured initiatives on these topics. Am i right or I did a careless search? Anybody interested in opening a discussion to identify a set of common guidelines for the OSM community? Should any of you being interested in opening a discussion, giving suggestions or advising, please do not hesitate to contact me. Cheers Simone ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and accessibility for walking impaired and people with temporary or permanent reduced mobility
On Thursday 01 April 2010 21:47:52 simone gadenz wrote: as me and my colleagues to manage a participatory mapping process on accessibility for wheelchairs and persons with reduced mobility. [...] Should any of you being interested in opening a discussion, giving suggestions or advising, please do not hesitate to contact me. I suggest you get in touch with Lulu-Ann. She's been doing lots of work in that field, and may point you to the right resources. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lulu-Ann -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and accessibility for walking impaired and people with temporary or permanent reduced mobility
Check out the pages with this wiki category http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Disabilities http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:DisabilitiesThere are a bunch of active interested people on the Accessibility mailing list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/accessibility http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/accessibilityThanks Ivan. If you message didn't just come in, then I would have continued to think he posted to the accessibility list and left it for someone else to reply! 2010/4/1 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es On Thursday 01 April 2010 21:47:52 simone gadenz wrote: as me and my colleagues to manage a participatory mapping process on accessibility for wheelchairs and persons with reduced mobility. [...] Should any of you being interested in opening a discussion, giving suggestions or advising, please do not hesitate to contact me. I suggest you get in touch with Lulu-Ann. She's been doing lots of work in that field, and may point you to the right resources. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lulu-Ann -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
John Smith wrote: How many admin boundaries, except country boundaries, can be actually verified with a GPS? Unless the boundary follows a geographical feature, such as a river, these boundaries exist only on paper That's a very good point and it leads on to something that I've been meaning to mention for a while: Where boundaries are traced from out-of-copyright sources (e.g. NPE in the UK), and they're actually following another feature (such as a river) it would be extremely useful if the bit of the boundary that follows the river could have a note added to say so. Then, when someone who's actually been there corrects the river or other feature they know to correct the boundary too. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Frederik Ramm wrote: ... Surely you would create a boundary relation that *uses* the way representing the river to construct the boundary - rather than tracing the boundary line over the river line and having two separate ways? Er, you might - but it doesn't seem to be universal practice! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and accessibility for walking impaired and people with temporary or permanent reduced mobility
Thanks, I reposted on the accessibility list. S On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Gregory wrote: Check out the pages with this wiki category http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Disabilities There are a bunch of active interested people on the Accessibility mailing list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/accessibility Thanks Ivan. If you message didn't just come in, then I would have continued to think he posted to the accessibility list and left it for someone else to reply! 2010/4/1 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es On Thursday 01 April 2010 21:47:52 simone gadenz wrote: as me and my colleagues to manage a participatory mapping process on accessibility for wheelchairs and persons with reduced mobility. [...] Should any of you being interested in opening a discussion, giving suggestions or advising, please do not hesitate to contact me. I suggest you get in touch with Lulu-Ann. She's been doing lots of work in that field, and may point you to the right resources. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lulu-Ann -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 1 April 2010 10:55, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Wikipedia tells me that partial Canadian Postal codes are useful to the post office[1]. In K1A 0B1 - K is the postal district, K1A is the Forward Sortation Area and 0B1 is the Local Delivery Unit. Sounds like internal use only to me. Are there really countries where if you ask someone for their post code they will reply do you mean my street post code or my district post code? In my experience, in Canada folks will only answer with their complete 6-digit postal code (If they know it at all.) In the US, Zip Codes changed from 5 numeric digits to 9 numeric digits in 1983[2]. In my experience I am much more likely to hear just the old 5-digit Zip Code rather than the Zip+four that could be considered the official zip code in conversation. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_codes In the UK it is a similar post code structure as Canada of AB12 3CD. Everyone would give the full postal code as their address. But some websites and surveys ask for just the first half, as this is good for statistics but keeps enough privacy. A few times I have written letters (to friends as a kid) where I forgot the postcode and put AB12 ???, but they should get it from the full address, Royal Mail is just anal that you put the post code on. If you're clever (or find it fun), you can recognise the place from the first two letters. TW = near the Twickenham sorting office. DH = Durham City (possibly covers the whole county actually). This map is interesting, especially with changing the layers to see different crowd sourced data sources. http://random.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodes/ -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Post code areas are tremendously useful in Germany because they are commonly used as a cheap machine readable form of location descriptor (enter your post code to find the nearest band branch etc). That's a good use for post code centroids, not post code areas. And post code centroids are best stored in a simple lookup table, not OSM. The actual areas are basically only useful for reverse geocoding (click a spot on the map and get the postal code). But whether or not that's even possible is highly dependent on whether or not the post office provides such information. For some post offices, such information is not meaningful. What is the postal code for the middle of a highway? Maybe there is one defined, which represents what the postal code would be if there were a post box there. But maybe there isn't. It depends on the post office. I have no idea where Germany fits in that classification, which is why I asked the questions above. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org
On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: Google, Waze and OSMF have partsnip Just to users of OSM from countries and cultures that do not know about April the 1st, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools% 27_Day I was born in Sweden. April fools is very popular there. I live in Greece now and here it is not popular or known. There are other cultures where it's not known. I know April Fools pranks are a temptation, the reason why it was posted on this mailing list, especially since I am fully sure it is a very popular cultural thing in Great Britain, but not worldwide. So to prevent heart attacks. Anyway, please anyone list a worldwide thing which is celebrated. wars Kind regards, Niklas -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map
Am 29.03.2010 10:50, Florian Lohoff: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:54:46PM +0200, Claudius wrote: Why does your script not show the administrative hierarchy for Iran? http://maxspeed.osm.lab.rfc822.org/?zoom=7lat=33.85578lon=53.62819layers=B0Tinput=maxspeed The boundary does not build for my postgis stuff(...) Okay - had a look - the way was self-intersecting and i repaired it ... ...and several for the provinces like that: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/229958 Did I do sth. wrong when entering them? The latter one i have build so it should work ... Thanks for your effort. I have added some iranian provinces, but they are not yet shown on your maxspeed map. Do you need to update the hierarchy manually? Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
Hi, Anthony wrote: What are the sources for the post code areas? How often are they updated? How are they defined (by reference to houses, by reference to geographical features, by lat/lon, something else)? Will this data be integrated into other OSM data, or is it basically just a separate layer? We do have post code boundaries running together with administrative boundaries sometimes, or running along a road. In these cases I'd expect the post code area multipolygon to use these existing OSM features (provided they exist). It is unclear to me how the areas have been defined; my guess is that in innner-city areas, mostly roads have been used, and in the countryside they probably said something like village A has this post code, village B has that, so let's draw a line in between. My guess is that someone, at some time, literally drew a line and lat/lon coordinates have been derived from that later. There is a post code database that is officially maintained but it is not free. The data we have is a few years old. Post codes in Germany don't change that often, however. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: There is a post code database that is officially maintained but it is not free. That's...interesting. Wouldn't any accurate description of the post codes necessarily be a derivative of that official database? If you're not sure of the answer maybe this is a question for the legal list, but what methods, if any, are allowed to create a free database from an officially defined (non-physical) non-free one? Basically, you just launder the data through a bunch of different others until it can no longer be traced to the original source? In the end, the source is always necessarily that officially maintained database. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 08:34, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We do have post code boundaries running together with administrative boundaries sometimes, or running along a road. In these cases I'd expect the post code area multipolygon to use these existing OSM features (provided they exist). After creating thousands of postcode relations I've come to realise why it's such a bad idea to share meta information like boundaries and phsyical information, especially when one or the other or both change as it's a lot more work updating things if they aren't independent of each other. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
On 2 April 2010 08:45, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: That's...interesting. Wouldn't any accurate description of the post codes necessarily be a derivative of that official database? Not necessarily, it could be you have postcode information for various places and you are just generating an area that encompasses them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] 3DShapes en de nieuwe licentie (als die er ooit nog komt)
Dan is dat misverstand ook weer de wereld uit ;-) Gr, Henk Op 1 april 2010 01:03 schreef Lennard l...@xs4all.nl het volgende: Henk Hoff wrote: Hola, wanneer je het tegen mij hebt, wil ik je even even op attenderen dat ik reageerde op Lennard die aangaf dat er ook gebruikers van buiten NL in je lijstje voorkwam. Ik heb aangegeven dat ik als Nederlander ook wel eens in het buitenland map en dat daarmee dus buitenlanders ook wel eens in NL kunnen mappen. En ik bedoelde eigenlijk te zeggen dat er ook *edits* in het buitenland in voorkwamen, aangezien de telling gebaseerd is op de planet-benelux extract. Waarom ik 'gebruikers' zei, weet ik ook niet. Ik zal vaker tot 10 tellen voordat ik op Send druk. -- Lennard ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] NearMap now have OSM opaque maps as well as overlays
Hi all Thought you might like to know that NearMap now have OSM data as opaque maps as well as transparent overlays on our PhotoMaps. OSM data's in for the whole world (currently from the 17/2/10 planet file, now importing the 24/3/10 file). You may need to force your browser to refresh (Ctrl-F5) to see the new options. Cheers b -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
I am leaving for a 5 month trip through parts of outback Australia in a few weeks and I want to add to OSM as much additional detail as I reasonably can. I will be travelling in the Flinders Ranges, Red Centre, Queensland Gulf area and parts of Queensland far north. I am particularly looking for input on how I should tag roadhouses. Many of them are partly shown. Take Barkley Homestead on the Barkley Highway in the south of the Northern Territory for example. It currently has two symbols, a tent with a caravan_site tag and a petrol pump with extensive information that looks to be supplied by Caltex the site fuel supplier. But there is also a restaurant, a bar that doubles as the local pub, a coffee shop/snack bar, cabin accommodation and tent sites. I travelled through the area in August last year and will be through again this year. So the question is, should the elements be shown as separate nodes and individually tagged or as multiple tags to a single node. Also some highways and major roads are tagged but the names are not rendering so are not appearing on the map download that I have in MapSource or that I load into my GPS. The tagging looks different to that shown in Potlatch examples in the Wiki so I wonder if that is the reason. I am reluctant to change them until I understand the system a bit better, but bringing highway information up to date is one thing that I want to achieve during this trip. So, over to the experts. Thanks in advance for your help. Kevin Kevin Sheather Phone 07 3491 7299 Mobile - Kevin 0417 751 678 soluti...@bigpond.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
On 1 April 2010 20:30, Kevin Ruth Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: to be supplied by Caltex the site fuel supplier. But there is also a restaurant, a bar that doubles as the local pub, a coffee shop/snack bar, cabin accommodation and tent sites. I travelled through the area in August last year and will be through again this year. As long as you document it it doesn't matter which way you go. So the question is, should the elements be shown as separate nodes and individually tagged or as multiple tags to a single node. This is a catch 22, ideally everything should be individual nodes to make searching easier, but that's essentially tagging incorrectly because they're all physically part of the same building, usually, so it's a single point. Also some highways and major roads are tagged but the names are not rendering so are not appearing on the map download that I have in MapSource or that I load into my GPS. The tagging looks different to that shown in I have no idea what mapsource is, but it doesn't seem to be using information from relations. The relations group the route reference + name so that through towns the local street name can be used without trying to cram everything into 1 or so tags. If you want more details on using route relations there is a few pages on the wiki you can look to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Tagging_highway_ref.3D.2A_and_name.3D.2A http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields The Australia route relation tagging was based on US tagging: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations Potlatch examples in the Wiki so I wonder if that is the reason. I am reluctant to change them until I understand the system a bit better, but bringing highway information up to date is one thing that I want to achieve during this trip. Most major highways seem to be done, although the more GPS data that can be provided for some of the more remote ones the better to improve the alignment the better. Also most back roads aren't completed or even started especially dirt roads. There was a lot of roads added in Qld from the boundary data, but these also need verifying and naming. There were streets added in some places from Nearmap imagery, but lack street names. It really depends how much time and effort you want to put into this, there is a LOT that could be done and the more planning you put into things the better the outcome will be. Are you planning to go to the next Brisbane mapping party by any chance? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
Thanks for all that, John. I'll absorb it. If the mapping party is on before we leave on 3rd May I'd love to go. MapSource is Garmin software into which the OSM downloads from either the Australian or International site are loaded so that maps can be created to load to the Garmin GPS. It's also the software to which tracks are downloaded and edited before uploading to OSM. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 8:43 PM To: Kevin Ruth Sheather Cc: Talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia On 1 April 2010 20:30, Kevin Ruth Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: to be supplied by Caltex the site fuel supplier. But there is also a restaurant, a bar that doubles as the local pub, a coffee shop/snack bar, cabin accommodation and tent sites. I travelled through the area in August last year and will be through again this year. As long as you document it it doesn't matter which way you go. So the question is, should the elements be shown as separate nodes and individually tagged or as multiple tags to a single node. This is a catch 22, ideally everything should be individual nodes to make searching easier, but that's essentially tagging incorrectly because they're all physically part of the same building, usually, so it's a single point. Also some highways and major roads are tagged but the names are not rendering so are not appearing on the map download that I have in MapSource or that I load into my GPS. The tagging looks different to that shown in I have no idea what mapsource is, but it doesn't seem to be using information from relations. The relations group the route reference + name so that through towns the local street name can be used without trying to cram everything into 1 or so tags. If you want more details on using route relations there is a few pages on the wiki you can look to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Tagging_hig hway_ref.3D.2A_and_name.3D.2A http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields The Australia route relation tagging was based on US tagging: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations Potlatch examples in the Wiki so I wonder if that is the reason. I am reluctant to change them until I understand the system a bit better, but bringing highway information up to date is one thing that I want to achieve during this trip. Most major highways seem to be done, although the more GPS data that can be provided for some of the more remote ones the better to improve the alignment the better. Also most back roads aren't completed or even started especially dirt roads. There was a lot of roads added in Qld from the boundary data, but these also need verifying and naming. There were streets added in some places from Nearmap imagery, but lack street names. It really depends how much time and effort you want to put into this, there is a LOT that could be done and the more planning you put into things the better the outcome will be. Are you planning to go to the next Brisbane mapping party by any chance? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
On 1 April 2010 20:57, Kevin Ruth Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: If the mapping party is on before we leave on 3rd May I'd love to go. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane_Sit-down_Mapping_Party_April_2010 MapSource is Garmin software into which the OSM downloads from either the Australian or International site are loaded so that maps can be created to load to the Garmin GPS. It's also the software to which tracks are downloaded and edited before uploading to OSM. I'll have to leave this to others to comment on as I don't use a garmin, but it should be using the relation information, not just the information individual ways are being tagged with. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
I am leaving for a 5 month trip through parts of outback Australia in a few weeks and I want to add to OSM as much additional detail as I reasonably can. Sounds great :) should the elements be shown as separate nodes and individually tagged or as multiple tags to a single node. In my opinion, if these elements (be they tent sites, fuel pumps, cabins, or whatever) occupy different space on the surface of the globe, it's much better to add them each as separate nodes/areas. This is more accurate (and it also looks better when rendered). The only time you actually *need* to use multiple tags on a single node is when you're describing multiple aspects of a single physical feature (e.g. that a restaurant sells food of a certain cuisine=* and has certain opening_hours=*). Of course, if you don't have the time or energy to map everything separately, whacking them all in as tags on a single feature is better than nothing... Also some highways and major roads are tagged but the names are not rendering so are not appearing on the map download that I have in MapSource or that I load into my GPS. The tagging looks different to that shown in Potlatch examples in the Wiki so I wonder if that is the reason. I am reluctant to change them until I understand the system a bit better, but bringing highway information up to date is one thing that I want to achieve during this trip. Perhaps you could give an example of a particular highway or road that seems to have this problem? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
On 1 April 2010 21:14, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you could give an example of a particular highway or road that seems to have this problem? He's talking about the Barkly Highway... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207597 Which is NH 66... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207599 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
On 1 April 2010 21:20, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Which is NH 66... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207599 NH 66 in the NT, it's A2 in Qld http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207531 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging Outback Australia
How about - Outback Australia (single node, somewhere in the middle should do). On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2010 21:20, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Which is NH 66... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207599 NH 66 in the NT, it's A2 in Qld http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207531 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
Gerd v. Egidy schrieb: Für mich wäre es daher eine große Hilfe, von diesen ganzen kleineren, regionalen Wanderwegen eine Liste zusammenzubekommen. Eine automatisch erzeugte Liste gibt es hier: http://topo.geofabrik.de/Wanderwegverzeichnis.html Wenn man das z.B. als Wiki pflegt, könnte man auch gleich die Relationsnummern dazupacken sobald man sie angelegt hat. Da ist halt die Frage, ob das einer pflegt. Einige gute Exemplare gibt es hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Essen/Status/Wanderwege http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wetter/Wanderwege http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Naturpark_Rheinland http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wanderwege_des_SGV_%28Sauerl%C3%A4ndischer_Gebirgsverein%29 Ich könnte mir vorstellen, daß die Wegewarte bereits eine ähnlich gegliederte Liste haben. Ein Vorschlag, der bei diesem Treffen an die Wegewarte herangetragen werden könnte, wäre eine solche Liste zu veröffentlichen. Dabei sollte diese Liste von der Lizenz her kompatibel mit OSM sein. Einige Wandervereine sind da nicht sehr Internet-affin. Vor allem, wenn der Verein selber Wanderkarten verkaufen will. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am Donnerstag 01 April 2010 02:52:25 schrieb André Reichelt: Am 31.03.2010 20:08, schrieb Guenther Meyer: strassen sind erstmal lineare gebilde, die lassen sich wunderbar als vektoren mit entsprechenden attributen abbilden, inkl. allem was noetig ist. Das mag auf Autobahnen fast immer und außerorts gelegentlich gelten, innerstädtisch wirst Du damit aber in der Regel massiv auf die Schnauze fallen. Abbiegespuren kannst Du mit deiner Methode im Übrigen auch nicht sauber darstellen. natuerlich geht das. mit einer flaeche kannst du sowas nicht machen... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am Donnerstag 01 April 2010 02:59:54 schrieb André Reichelt: Das einfache Modell funktioniert bei der Navigation und bei groben Stadtplänen wunderbar, das habe ich schon gesagt. Spätestens wenn ich aber in die Straßenperspektive wechsle wird dir das Ding um die Ohren fliegen -- und zwar ganz massiv. Gerade in gut bebauten und komplexen Gegenden vereinfacht es sowohl das Rendering als auch das Bearbeiten, wenn die Daten strukturiert abgelegt werden. Du musst nur in eine groessere, ausfuehrliche gemappte Stadt schauen. Ich zumindest habe da doch desofteren Schwierigkeiten mich in dem Gewirr von Linienbuendeln, Flaechen, Punkten und Relationen zurechtzufinden, und auf das richtige Element zu klicken. Es gibt Anwendungen, da interessiert mich, wo genau in der Kreuzung eine Insel liegt und wie groß die ist. Du kannst Dir das vielleicht nicht vorstellen, da Du selbst keine Anwendungen in diese Richtung entwickelst, aber grundsätzlich müssen wir so detailiert wir möglich mappen. Du kannst dir das vielleicht nicht vorstellen, aber fuer sowas wie eine Insel muss man keine Strassenflaechen malen... Wir dürfen uns nicht auf die Falle einlassen, etwas wegzulassen nur weil wir glauben, dass es gegenwärtig nicht sinnvoll nutzbar ist. Wer behauptet denn denn sowas? wie schon an anderer stelle geschrieben wurde, suggeriert so eine gemalte flaeche eine wesentlich hoehere genauigkeit, als tatsaechlich vorhanden ist. Das war auch genau der Grund, weswegen man das bis heute nicht macht. Jetzt stehen allerdings die Luftbilder zur Verfügung, die uns auf ein paar Zentimeter genau erlauben, genau diese Daten zu erfassen. Die Bilder sind gut, aber eine Genauigkeit auf ein paar Zentimeter wuerde ich den Bildern schon absprechen. Ausserdem hast du bei Luftbildern meistens ein Problem mit der Aktualitaet. Wir mappen nicht für heute sondern für morgen. Wenn heute etwas auch noch als Speicherplatzverschwendung angesehen wird, ist es morgen der Grund, weswegen man Material bei OSM kauft und nicht zur Konkurrenz geht. Es geht nicht in erster Linie um Speicherplatzverschwendung. Es geht um eine sinnvolle Abstraktion mit brauchbarer Auswert- und v.a. Bearbeitbarkeit der Daten. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM in CMS einbinden (Drupal, Joomla, Typo3)
Markus schrieb: Hallo, wer hat Erfahrung, wie man OSM-Karten in ein CMS einbaut? - Drupal Ich mache das in Drupal mit dem Modul Mapping Kit. Beispiele und Kurzanleitung unter: http://aardbodem.nl/?q=node/8 Das Modul ist leider sehr dürftig dokumentiert, ausser der obigen Seite habe ich nichts dazu gefunden. Dafür ist die Benutzung recht einfach. Ich zeige damit u.a. GPX-Tracks als Overlays über OSM-Karten an. Gruß Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:38:40PM +0200, Gerd v. Egidy wrote: Da denkt sich dann halt jeder Mapper vor Ort was aus. Das macht es aber nicht ganz so einfach bereits erfasste Teilstrecken zu finden und in einer Relation zusammenzuführen. Für mich wäre es daher eine große Hilfe, von diesen ganzen kleineren, regionalen Wanderwegen eine Liste zusammenzubekommen. Wenn man das z.B. als Wiki pflegt, könnte man auch gleich die Relationsnummern dazupacken sobald man sie angelegt hat. Meine Wanderkarte[1] hat seit einigen Tagen ein kleines Feature namens Routes in der unteren linken Ecke. Damit kann man sich die Wanderrouten im aktuellen Bildausschnitt anzeigen lassen. Das ganze ist noch etwas im Beta-Stadium (unter anderem zur Zeit nur unter Firefox getestet), aber zum Finden bereits vorhandener Relationen sollte es sich bereits ganz gut eignen. Tolles Feature! Ich hätte da gleich noch ein paar Vorschläge/Wünsche: Wäre es möglich, den Wanderweg hervorzuheben, der gerade ausgewählt ist? Kannst Du in der Liste und in der Detailansicht auch das Symbol anzeigen? Grüße, Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:38:40PM +0200, Gerd v. Egidy wrote: Da denkt sich dann halt jeder Mapper vor Ort was aus. Das macht es aber nicht ganz so einfach bereits erfasste Teilstrecken zu finden und in einer Relation zusammenzuführen. Für mich wäre es daher eine große Hilfe, von diesen ganzen kleineren, regionalen Wanderwegen eine Liste zusammenzubekommen. Wenn man das z.B. als Wiki pflegt, könnte man auch gleich die Relationsnummern dazupacken sobald man sie angelegt hat. Meine Wanderkarte[1] hat seit einigen Tagen ein kleines Feature namens Routes in der unteren linken Ecke. Damit kann man sich die Wanderrouten im aktuellen Bildausschnitt anzeigen lassen. Das ganze ist noch etwas im Beta-Stadium (unter anderem zur Zeit nur unter Firefox getestet), aber zum Finden bereits vorhandener Relationen sollte es sich bereits ganz gut eignen. Tolles Feature! Ich hätte da gleich noch ein paar Vorschläge/Wünsche: Wäre es möglich, den Wanderweg hervorzuheben, der gerade ausgewählt ist? Kannst Du in der Liste und in der Detailansicht auch das Symbol anzeigen? und noch eine Kleinigkeit: Momentan wird beim Klicken auf Routes die Karte nach rechts geschoben um Platz für die Box zu machen. Wäre es möglich die Box einfach drüber zu legen? Dann muss man nicht erst wieder suchen wo man auf der Karte ist. Grüße, Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 08:58:56AM +0200, Stephan Olbrich wrote: Meine Wanderkarte[1] hat seit einigen Tagen ein kleines Feature namens Routes in der unteren linken Ecke. Damit kann man sich die Wanderrouten im aktuellen Bildausschnitt anzeigen lassen. Das ganze ist noch etwas im Beta-Stadium (unter anderem zur Zeit nur unter Firefox getestet), aber zum Finden bereits vorhandener Relationen sollte es sich bereits ganz gut eignen. Tolles Feature! Ich hätte da gleich noch ein paar Vorschläge/Wünsche: Wäre es möglich, den Wanderweg hervorzuheben, der gerade ausgewählt ist? Kannst Du in der Liste und in der Detailansicht auch das Symbol anzeigen? Beides ist bereits in der Planung, genauso wie eine deutsche Übersetzung des Interfaces. Ich hoffe, dass ich in den nächsten Wochen etwas Zeit finde. Gruss Sarah ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am 01.04.2010 05:37, schrieb Matthias Versen: GPS reicht auch in Straßenschluchten solange man nicht mit einem Iphone die GPS Spur erzeugt und man auch mehr als eine GPS Spur an verschiedenen Tagen erzeugt. Dann braucht man nur noch Brain 1.0 zur Korrektur. Nur in Tunneln wird es etwas schierig aber da helfen Dir Luftbilder auch nicht. Navis der 400 EUR Klasse haben Beschleunigungssensoren, welche auch in Tunneln die Fortführung des Trackings ermöglichen. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:07:07AM +0200, Stephan Olbrich wrote: Meine Wanderkarte[1] hat seit einigen Tagen ein kleines Feature namens Routes in der unteren linken Ecke. Damit kann man sich die Wanderrouten im aktuellen Bildausschnitt anzeigen lassen. Das ganze ist noch etwas im Beta-Stadium (unter anderem zur Zeit nur unter Firefox getestet), aber zum Finden bereits vorhandener Relationen sollte es sich bereits ganz gut eignen. Tolles Feature! Ich hätte da gleich noch ein paar Vorschläge/Wünsche: Wäre es möglich, den Wanderweg hervorzuheben, der gerade ausgewählt ist? Kannst Du in der Liste und in der Detailansicht auch das Symbol anzeigen? und noch eine Kleinigkeit: Momentan wird beim Klicken auf Routes die Karte nach rechts geschoben um Platz für die Box zu machen. Wäre es möglich die Box einfach drüber zu legen? Dann muss man nicht erst wieder suchen wo man auf der Karte ist. Darüberlegen geht nicht, weil dann die Zoom-Leiste verschwindet. Da müsste man schon die Karte anpassen, was nicht ganz trivial ist. Ich schau mir das mal an. Gruss Sarah ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Easterhegg
Wer von euch ist auf der Easterhegg morgen? Marcus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am 01.04.2010 um 05:37 schrieb Matthias Versen: Woher willst Du wissen das wir in Zukunft immer solche Luftbilder zur Verfügung haben werden ? Das halte ich eher für höchst unwahrscheinlich, besonders weil es immer aktuelle Luftbilder sein müssen. so unwahrscheinlich ist das nicht. Die frage ist, ob wir damit etwas anfangen können. Zur Zeit sind in Dortmund neu 10% ( ca 20.000 ) der Buildings nach 12 Tagen erfasst. Hochgerechnet würden wir in 2.5 Monaten gerade die 100% schaffen. Bei einer Abweichung von wirklichkeit und Luftbildern bleibt nur das löschen übrig. was meinst Du denn damit? Straße als Fläche aus Luftbild abgezeichnet, Straße wird umgebaut, Mapper vor Ort erfasst sie mit den normalen OSM Mitteln (GPS) neu als Vektor. Die Fläche kann er in dem Fall nur löschen denn die ist nicht mehr korrekt und er kann die mit OSM mitteln nicht einfach korrigieren. Beim Wohnort meines Arbeitskollegen aus Dortmund passen die Aerowest Luftbilder zum Beispiel nicht mehr. Da die Bilder ca 1 Jahr alt ( neu ) sind, kann das vorkommen. Aber für 90% der Buildings stimmen sie. Und ein Grundsatz ist hoffentlich, wenn in OSM schon etwas gezeichnet ist, die Luftbilder aber etwas anderes zeigen, lieber ein Bug in openstreetbugs eintragen und die lokalen Mapper das kontrollieren zu lassen als einfach die Sache vom Luftbild abzuzeichnen. Marc ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Privatweg - Durchgang verboten, Wanderwegbenutzung frei
Hi Johann H. Addicks, Am 31.03.2010 22:38, schrieb Gerd v. Egidy: das klingt sehr gut. Ich mappe hauptsächlich in Wald und Flur und wenn sie nicht ganz abseits meiner Routen liegen gerne auch die ausgeschilderten Wanderwege mit. Neulich in Thüringen: http://www.addicks.net/gallery/osm/DSCF3126 [Zeichen 260 + Privatweg, Durchgang verboten + Schieferpfad, Durchgang erlaubt] Nein, ich weiss nicht, wie man das tagt... Ach, bicycle=yes passt schonmal, horse=yes eventuell auch. Ob nun foot=private oder foot=destination, weiss ich auch nicht. Zumal dann noch nur der Schieferpfad dort durchdarf, der rotes-Dreieck-auf-weissem- Grund ja wohl nicht. Viel Spass, stw -- Machen Sie ein Kind und seine Familie froh. [Classic Radio 13.12.2004] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kontaktperson zum ADAC bei München gesuc ht
Hallo Leute, ich habe gerade mit dem Herren vom ADAC telephoniert und grundlegende Fragen was wir machen, wer das zahlt, was wir für Daten haben, wie die Lizenz aussieht, welche Navis die OpenStreetMap-Karte nutzen, wohin gerade die Entwicklung geht... beantwortet. Jetzt suchen die Herren vom ADAC jemanden in München oder Umgebung der als Kontakt dienen kann um Gespräche darüber zu führen, wie wir uns gegenseitig helfen können. Wer hat hier genug Erfahrung und traut sich zu diese wichtige Rolle zu übernehmen? Der ADAC wäre für das Projekt in Deutschland wohl der wichtigste Partner, den wir haben können. Nicht nur haben sie eigene Stau-Daten sondern auch viel die Vereinszeitschrift, Tourensets, Stau-Karten im Netz die dringend mal eine modernere Karte gebrauchen können und ein unglaubliches politisches Gewicht. Das sollte jetzt wirklich jemand sein der auch mal einen Anzug anziehen und über Teilaspekte von OSM informiert frei referieren kann. Marcus 2010/3/7 Marcus Wolschon mar...@wolschon.biz: 2010/3/7 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 09:58:33AM +0100, Marcus Wolschon wrote: Da der ADAC ja so viele Navi-Funktionen fordert, die mehr Staudaten brauchen als man halt zur Verfügung hat, habe ich mal bei denen angefragt ob die ihre eigenen Staudaten von den ADAC-Staumeldern denn maschinenlesbar bereitstellen würden. (Natürlich etwas höflicher formuliert) Ich vermute nur das du den Artikel falsch verstanden hast, bzw ICH habe den Falsch verstanden. Mit ging es um die Verbesserungsvorschläge im letzten Teil. Ich habe darin gelesen das die Staus dadurch verursacht sind weil die Routingalhorithmen streng Hierarchisch arbeiten, d.h. immer erst versuchen dich auf die Hoechste klasse Straße zu bekommen um distanzen zu ueberwinden. Das ist so nicht korrekt. Jedes Stück Straße hat eine Metric (z.B. dessen Länge oder Fahrtzeit) und die Route ist diejenige Liste solcher Straßenstücke welche vom Start zum Ziel führt und dabei die geringste Summe an Metriken hat. Mit Hierarchien arbeiten wenige. Welche konkreten Routingalgorithmen hast du im Sinn? Marcus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kartografie in Wikipedia
Hi Markus, [Wikipedia] Ich wollte grad nachschlagen, was man denn genau unter Topologie versteht. Aber da lese ich nur unverständliches Zeug über Knoten und Maschen, das wiederum einer Erklärung bedürfen würde, aber nirgendwo verlinkt ist. Auch Topografie oder Topologische Beziehung hilft nicht weiter. Dass hier noch keine Antwort kam, wundert mich. Was genau hattest du dir eigentlich unter Topologie erhofft? Ich denk da eigentlich sofort an die mathematische Verwendung, also Kaffeetasse und Donut, Umstuelpen einer Kugel oder eines Fahrrads durch das Ventiel, oder so. cu, stw -- vimtutor: 1. Move the cursor around the screen until you are comfortable. Note: The cursor keys should also work. But using hjkl you will be able to move around much faster, once you get used to it. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Open Kataster Map, war Details mappen in Dortmund
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:59:54 +0200 Von: André Reichelt andr...@online.de An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund Hallo, Das einfache Modell funktioniert bei der Navigation und bei groben Stadtplänen wunderbar, das habe ich schon gesagt. Spätestens wenn ich aber in die Straßenperspektive wechsle wird dir das Ding um die Ohren fliegen -- und zwar ganz massiv. Das ist mir jetzt zu pauschal und entspricht auch nicht meinen Erfahrungen. Mit ein paar zusaetzlichen Vereinbarungen kann man eine Darstellung bauen, der die Masse der staedtischen Strassen gut abbildet. Es gibt Anwendungen, da interessiert mich, wo genau in der Kreuzung eine Insel liegt und wie groß die ist. Du kannst Dir das vielleicht nicht vorstellen, da Du selbst keine Anwendungen in diese Richtung entwickelst, aber grundsätzlich müssen wir so detailiert wir möglich mappen. Wir dürfen uns nicht auf die Falle einlassen, etwas wegzulassen nur weil wir glauben, dass es gegenwärtig nicht sinnvoll nutzbar ist. Du verwechselst den Detaillierungsgrad mit der Abbildung. Nur weil man derzeit fast nichts aus dem aktuellen Modell rauskitzelt, bedeutet das nicht, dass das nicht geht. Da ist noch sehr viel drin, ohne dass man den ganzen aktuellen Datenbestand auf den Kopf stellt. Leider ist die Ueberhoehung der Breiten bei den OSM-Renderern der Stand der Technik und sie uebernehmen diese Darstellung damit (leider) vom grossen Vorbild Google Maps. Ich spreche mich nicht dagegen aus, dass man moeglichst jedes Detail mappt, aber ich spreche mich dafuer aus, dass man nicht alles mit der Brachialmethode 'dann setze ich eben eine Node mehr rein' loest. Das war auch genau der Grund, weswegen man das bis heute nicht macht. Jetzt stehen allerdings die Luftbilder zur Verfügung, die uns auf ein paar Zentimeter genau erlauben, genau diese Daten zu erfassen. Ist doch OK, dann werden eben endlich mal Breiten und Abrundungsradien konkret erfassbar und koennen interaktiv ermittelt werden. Wir mappen nicht für heute sondern für morgen. Und morgen haben wir dann die OpenKatasterMap :) Gruesse Hubert -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenAddresses.org, die Webseite für offene und freie geokodierte Adressdaten ist online
André Riedel schrieb: Am 29. März 2010 12:19 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Lars Lingner schrieb: Die Projekte ergänzen sich in dieser Hinsicht und deren Datenbestand wird regelmässig synchronisiert. Mal abgesehen davon, dass ich nicht allzu viel davon halte, in einer öffentlichen Presseerklärung (die z.B. Golem natürlich wieder ohne weitere Recherche abgeschrieben hat), eine *geplante* Synchronisierung als Tatsache hinzustellen: Wie soll eine Datenübernahme von OSM zu OA lizenzrechtlich möglich sein? Eure Lizenz hat schließlich keine Share-Alike-Bestimmung. Tobias Knerr Die Idee eine Anwendung/Website für alle Aufgaben mit geokodierten Adressen zu erstellen finde ich gut. Auch das es einen Austausch mit OSM gibt. Aber wie ist das lizenztechnisch möglich? OSM (CC-by-sa 2.0) - OA (CC-by 3.0) später evntl. ODBL - CC-by 3.0 An einer Lösung wird gerade gearbeitet. Der Lizenzfrage wurde nicht so viel Beachtung geschenkt wie der technischen Umsetzung. Nun kann man nicht jeden Tag zu einer neuen Lizenz wechseln. Ziel ist es eine Adressdatenbank aufzubauen, die frei benutzt werden kann. So wie es mit OSM-Daten ja auch möglich ist. Da allerdings nicht nur Daten von OSM bei OA enthalten sind, muss man alle auf dem Tisch liegenden Lizenzen anschauen und sehen wie man aus der jetzigen Situation raus kommt. Dabei darf es selbstverständlich nicht zu Lizenzverletzungen anderer Projekte kommen. In Kürze wird es zur Lizenzfrage ein Update geben. Wegen der anstehenden Feiertage möchte ich Kürze nicht näher definieren. Lars ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Hi Walter Nordmann, nur mal ne frage ganz am Rande geht es hier noch um Dortmund oder nicht? Oh, Dortmund. Hab ich ueberlesen. Bzw. mir ist erst allmaehlich bewusst geworden, dass dort wohl zeitlich befristet hochaufloesende Luftbilder vorliegen, aus denen dann in hoechster Eile wohl die Flaechendaten gewonnen werden sollten. Aber Flaechendaten werden wir auch immer wieder mal bekommen, sei es durch Luftbilder, Spenden von Vermessungsaemtern oder engagierte Mapper mit GPS-Geraeten. Mir macht letzteres mehr Spass, drum zieh ich wohl demnaechst wieder los und lauf ein paar Fusswege ab. Als Linie erstmal. cu, stw -- http://bundeswehr.de/ Wir sind da. Zumindest, wenn Sie in ihrem Browser JavaScript aktivieren! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Hallo. Am 1. April 2010 10:27 schrieb Steffen Wolf s...@gmx.de: Aber Flaechendaten werden wir auch immer wieder mal bekommen, sei es durch Luftbilder, Spenden von Vermessungsaemtern oder engagierte Mapper mit GPS-Geraeten. Hast Du mal ein Beispiel, wo es von einem Vermessungs-/Katasteramt hoch genaue Flächendaten für uns gab? Und ich spreche nicht von Hausumrissen, sondern von dem was hier diskutiert wird -- von Katasterflächen auf denen Straßen verlaufen. Und selbst die Hausumrisse in Rostock haben einen Versatz von min. 2 m. Mir macht letzteres mehr Spass, drum zieh ich wohl demnaechst wieder los und lauf ein paar Fusswege ab. Als Linie erstmal. Hast Du Dir in JOSM mal die GPS-Tracks mit heruntergeladen. Würde mich interessieren, ob du einzelne davon einer Straße oder einem Fußweg zuweisen kannst. Fußwege an einer Straße sind mit unseren GPS-Geräten meiner Erfahrung nach nicht auflösbar. Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Hi Falk Zscheile, Am 1. April 2010 10:27 schrieb Steffen Wolf s...@gmx.de: Aber Flaechendaten werden wir auch immer wieder mal bekommen, sei es durch Luftbilder, Spenden von Vermessungsaemtern oder engagierte Mapper mit GPS-Geraeten. Hast Du mal ein Beispiel, wo es von einem Vermessungs-/Katasteramt hoch genaue Flächendaten für uns gab? Aehm, ich meinte in ferner Zukunft mal. Man soll die Hoffnung ja nicht aufgeben. Mir macht letzteres mehr Spass, drum zieh ich wohl demnaechst wieder los und lauf ein paar Fusswege ab. Als Linie erstmal. Hast Du Dir in JOSM mal die GPS-Tracks mit heruntergeladen. Würde mich interessieren, ob du einzelne davon einer Straße oder einem Fußweg zuweisen kannst. Fußwege an einer Straße sind mit unseren GPS-Geräten meiner Erfahrung nach nicht auflösbar. Und hier meinte ich die Fusswege innerhalb eines Wohngebiets, die eben nicht an einer Strasse entlangfuehren. Um die Qualitaet der GPS-Tracks weiss ich, ich hab ja mal ein kleines Wohngebiet durchlaufen. Ich hatte Glueck, dass der Track der linken Strassenseite auch links von dem der rechten Seite lag ;-) Solang ich da keine besseren Daten habe, fang ich sowas gar nicht erst an, das versprech ich. cu, stw -- Wer in der inneren Sicherheit klare und präzise Gesetze [...] haben will, die [...] nicht den Datenschutz zu hoch hängen [...], der muß [...] der CDU die Stimme geben. [Roland Koch, 1.9.2009, DLF] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] USA haben GPS-Signale seit 01:05 Uhr kuenstlich verschlechtert
hi, wie ich vorhin aus gesicherten quellen erfahren habe, sind in allen GPS-Geräten DOCH SENDER drin und nicht, wie die meisten Unwissenden von uns annehmen, nur Empfänger. Bereits beim Kauf des Gerätes wird der Besitzer in einer weltweiten Datenbank (Berliner Version: POS - Personen Ortungs System) mit den IP6_Adressen der Geräte erfasst und kann so jederzeit geortet werden. Daher empfehle ich jedermann, sein GPS-Gerät immer in ALU-Folie einzuwickeln, wenn er nicht geortet werden möchte. Das Pilotprojekt soll erst einmal bis zum 1.4.2011 laufen, wird aber eventuell verlängert. gruss walter - Der Kopf ist rund, damit die Gedanken auch mal die Richtung ändern können. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/USA-haben-GPS-Signale-seit-01-05-Uhr-kuenstlich-verschlechtert-tp4834146p4835929.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am 01.04.2010 um 10:43 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Hallo. Und selbst die Hausumrisse in Rostock haben einen Versatz von min. 2 m. war es nicht: von max 1m, d.h. 0-100 cm. Marc ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am 1. April 2010 11:10 schrieb Gehling Marc m.gehl...@gmx.de: Am 01.04.2010 um 10:43 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Und selbst die Hausumrisse in Rostock haben einen Versatz von min. 2 m. war es nicht: von max 1m, d.h. 0-100 cm. Die eine Seite sagt 1m[1] die andere 1--2 m. Ok, ich habe leicht übertrieben :-) Gruß, Falk [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rostocker_Geb%C3%A4udeumrisse_Import_2009 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rostock#Geb.C3.A4udeumrisse_des_Katasteramts ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Verwendung von Relationen mit type=boundary
Moin, an der Küstenlinie im Norden gibt es Beschriftungen mit dem Text nördliches Schleswig-Holstein. Eine solche Verwaltungseinheit gibt es nicht. Der Name stammt von der Relation 446137, die offenbar für TMC eingerichtet wurde und den Typ type=boundary ohne boundary=XYZ hat. Sollte man Relationen mit type=boundary nur amtliche Grenzen nutzen und die TMC-Relation auf multipolygon ändern oder muss die Anwendung bzw. der Renderer auf boundary=administrative und andere bekannte Werte prüfen. Ich fand die Wikitexte zu boundary nicht eindeutig. Viele Grüße Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kartografie in Wikipedia
ok, wer ich mal offensiv werden: da hast da wohl was verwechelt: http://www.google.de/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1ved=0CAoQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTopografierct=jq=topographieei=fWa0S-jFBMnK-QbgnfSQDQusg=AFQjCNEIJ5Pjyp8JJEmG3E7V25yNxuqhdg aber topologie ist komplizierter. walter - Der Kopf ist rund, damit die Gedanken auch mal die Richtung ändern können. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Kartografie-in-Wikipedia-tp4777466p4836076.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verwendung von Relationen mit type=boundary
Am 01.04.2010 11:31, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Sollte man Relationen mit type=boundary nur amtliche Grenzen nutzen und die TMC-Relation auf multipolygon ändern oder muss die Anwendung bzw. der Renderer auf boundary=administrative und andere bekannte Werte prüfen. Ja. boundary wird für alles mögliche genutzt, zB. auch für die Grenzen hochaufgelöster Yahoo Gebiete etc. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Habe ich den Anschluss richtig gemappt?
Am 01.04.2010 01:38, Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 31. März 2010 22:51 schrieb Christian Knorros...@gmx.de: Ich habe secondary_link gemacht, obwohl es das in JOSM nicht gibt. Was meint Ihr? Ob das JOSM kenn oder nicht ist weniger relevant. Genau mappe ich jedenfalls auch Was haltet Ihr eigentlich unabhängig davon von der Idee, die Links allgemein viel dünner zu rendern? Sollte man das mal vorschlagen oder in t...@h machen? Motorway_link wird in Mapnik ja schon etwas dünner als der große Bruder gerendert. Wäre eigentlich toll, wenn das bei den anderen auch so wäre, ja. Ein Ticket dazu, sogar mit Patch gibt es bereits. Müsste Steve nur noch einbauen: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1881 Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] USA haben GPS-Signale seit 01:05 Uhr kuenst lich verschlechtert
Hallo, Johann H. Addicks addicks at gmx.net writes: Am 01.04.2010 01:35, schrieb Jonas Stein: Also schnell anmelden. Man liesst sich! Ich wollte mal ins Archiv schauen. Aber das SSL-Zertifikat scheint defekt zu sein. Das Zertifikat ist genau so kaputt wie bei den anderen deutschen Mailinglisten. Das liegt leider ausßerhalb meines Machtbereichs. Da von dem Problem halt alle auf lists.openstreetmap.de gehosteten MLs betroffen sind, gehe ich mal davon aus, dass es sich um ein generelles Problem handelt und nicht um ein spezifisches Problem dieser ML. Grüße Max ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:52:25 +0200 Von: André Reichelt andr...@online.de An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund Das mag auf Autobahnen fast immer und außerorts gelegentlich gelten, Ich glaube wir leben auf unterschiedlichen Planeten ;) Bitte zeige mir mal die Ausserortsstrassen, deren Breite gar so fuerchterlich staendig schwankt, dass sie nur 'gelegentlich' den Anschein erwecken, parallel zu sein. innerstädtisch wirst Du damit aber in der Regel massiv auf die Schnauze fallen. Abbiegespuren kannst Du mit deiner Methode im Übrigen auch nicht sauber darstellen. Warum? Rinksbuendige Referenz + Spurbreite + Spuranzahl + Uebergangsbeschreibung (z.B. Aufweitung auf 100m Laenge) und das Ding ist sauber beschrieben. Gruesse Hubert -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Steffen Wolf-2 wrote: Oh, Dortmund. Hab ich ueberlesen. Bzw. mir ist erst allmaehlich bewusst geworden, dass dort wohl zeitlich befristet hochaufloesende Luftbilder vorliegen, aus denen dann in hoechster Eile wohl die Flaechendaten gewonnen werden sollten. Hi Steffen, da liegst leider völlig daneben ;-) das Dortmunder Projekt hat VORRANGIG als Ziel, alle Häuser mit deren Hausnummern flächendeckend zu erfassen. Damit will - und darf - unser Sponsor AIROWEST seine hier unzureichende Datenbasis verbessern. Wenn das erfolgreich vonstatten geht, soll/will Airowest uns Luftaufnahmen weitere Städte zu Verfügung stellen. Also eine klassische Give and Take-Situation :-) Dieser Thread ist dann in das Thema Mappen von Flächen abgeglitten, wahrscheinlich weil die Qualität der Luftaufnahmen dies erstmalig so richtig zulassen würde. Dabei haben die derzeit beteiligten Aktivisten anscheinend das eigentliche Ziel aus dem Auge verlohren. mfg walter - Der Kopf ist rund, damit die Gedanken auch mal die Richtung ändern können. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Details-mappen-in-Dortmund-tp4778663p4836308.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Easterhegg
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:24:59AM +0200, Marcus Wolschon wrote: Wer von euch ist auf der Easterhegg morgen? ich bin da. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
2010/4/1 qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de Warum? Rinksbuendige Referenz + Spurbreite + Spuranzahl + Uebergangsbeschreibung (z.B. Aufweitung auf 100m Laenge) und das Ding ist sauber beschrieben. Ach, und das soll dann ernsthaft EINFACHER zu erfassen sein als das einfache Nachzeichnen einer Fläche anhand von hochauflösenden Luftbildern? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Details mappen in Dortmund
Am 01.04.10 schrieb Robert S.: 2010/4/1 qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de Warum? Rinksbuendige Referenz + Spurbreite + Spuranzahl + Uebergangsbeschreibung (z.B. Aufweitung auf 100m Laenge) und das Ding ist sauber beschrieben. Ach, und das soll dann ernsthaft EINFACHER zu erfassen sein als das einfache Nachzeichnen einer Fläche anhand von hochauflösenden Luftbildern? Ja, denn spätestens für turn_restrictions muss ich die Spuren sowieso erfassen, egal ob als eine Linie + Tags oder als mehrere Linien. Also warum soll ich die Fläche zusätzlich erfassen? Gruß, Fabian.___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] USA haben GPS-Signale seit 01:05 Uhr kuenstlich verschlechtert
Am 01.04.2010 11:23, schrieb Max Andre: Hallo, Johann H. Addicksaddicksat gmx.net writes: Am 01.04.2010 01:35, schrieb Jonas Stein: Also schnell anmelden. Man liesst sich! Ich wollte mal ins Archiv schauen. Aber das SSL-Zertifikat scheint defekt zu sein. Das Zertifikat ist genau so kaputt wie bei den anderen deutschen Mailinglisten. Das liegt leider ausßerhalb meines Machtbereichs. Da von dem Problem halt alle auf lists.openstreetmap.de gehosteten MLs betroffen sind, gehe ich mal davon aus, dass es sich um ein generelles Problem handelt und nicht um ein spezifisches Problem dieser ML. Bitte benutzt einfach http://... Das Problem ist das man für ein Zertifikat Geld bezahlen muss und die Rcihtige Person vom Fossgis das unterschreiben muss etc. Gruß Sven smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
