Re: [talk-ph] When will OSM reach 1 million registered members?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: An interesting take by Harry Wood on the 1M number: http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html This is the correct link to Harry's diary entry: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Harry%20Wood/diary/18354 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: The associatedStreet relation has the streetname in 'name', not in addr:street. I also found some relations where this was done incorrectly. It is possible to fix all of them in one go. Advise me if you want me to do so. Do you mean fix associatedStreet relations tagged with addr:street, or fix buildings tagged with addr:street who are also in an associatedStreet relation? If the latter, I would not do this automatically, as any tags that disagree probably need a human to check them. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree with that. Its necessary to have addr:street for every address. When you use potlatch on the computer or iLOE on your smartphone its easy to bring in new data or correct the data. The associated street is redundant (and as i saw in Bierbeek often wrong). For me it is most important that new users have the possibility of introduce new data in a simple way (copy-paste the streetname in addr:street). Its a pity that most of the people here give only sophisticated solutions for very simple problems. Unfortunately, simple solutions often only solve some of the problems. associatedStreet is more complex than addr:street, but it makes clear precisely to which street a building belongs. Otherwise, if you need the street that belongs to that building, you have to search for the geographically closest way with the same name, a much slower, more time-consuming and not necessarily accurate operation. I don't object to either being used at this time, however. I add associatedStreet relations when there is *no* address information but I don't convert addr:street addresses to new relations. I do fix it, one way or the other, when I see them used simultaneously on the same building, because that is indeed redundant. Cheers, Jw ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
The remark I made was about the associatedStreet relation. The name of the street is put in the name tag, just like it is done on the ways forming the street. So all other tags are addr:country, addr:city, addr:postcode, but the streetname goes into name. Everyone is free to add addr:street to the house and POI objects as well. It's creating an unfortunate redundancy, but as you mention we seem to be needing that for editors like iLoe and Vespucci which don't support relations (yet). Why you need it on Potlatch eludes me, as that one does support relations, but since I don't have experience with it anymore, I should probably shut up about it. I do think associatedStreet relations still have a function to avoid duplicating/multiplicating the country, city and postcode information that make addresses complete and possibly to be able to perform quality control on the data. The redundancy can help to check whether the data is consistent. Personally I don't like repeating data over and over, as it makes it easier to make mistakes and when a streetname changes it becomes necessary to change it in many places. @Jan-Willem: I wouldn't take away the addr:street from the houses and POIs when you add them to an associatedStreet relation. I tried that once, a few years ago, and had to revert because portable editors didn't support relations (and they still don't) and, when in the field, people are missing that information then. So it's probably best to keep that redundancy in the data. Jo 2013/1/7 Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com I don't agree with that. Its necessary to have addr:street for every address. When you use potlatch on the computer or iLOE on your smartphone its easy to bring in new data or correct the data. The associated street is redundant (and as i saw in Bierbeek often wrong). For me it is most important that new users have the possibility of introduce new data in a simple way (copy-paste the streetname in addr:street). Its a pity that most of the people here give only sophisticated solutions for very simple problems. If you don't make it easy for the contributors, you will never get addresses from then. 2013/1/7 Jo winfi...@gmail.com The associatedStreet relation has the streetname in 'name', not in addr:street. I also found some relations where this was done incorrectly. It is possible to fix all of them in one go. Advise me if you want me to do so. Polyglot 2013/1/7 Joren joren.libreoff...@telenet.be Op 07-01-13 00:35, Kurt Roeckx schreef: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 03:23:15PM +0100, Sander Deryckere wrote: The first thing you notice is that there are a lot of features with housenumber information, but without street information. While other information (such as city) can be determined from closed boundaries. It's often ambiguous and hard to determine the street from other OSM features. Osmose counts alot of errors in Belgium because of that. See: http://osmose.openstreetmap.**fr/errors/graph.png?country=**belgiumhttp://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/errors/graph.png?country=belgium http://tools.geofabrik.de/**osmi/?view=addresseslon=4.** 41356lat=51.10370zoom=14**baselayer=Geofabrikopacity=1.** 00overlays=no_addr_street,**street_not_foundhttp://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=4.41356lat=51.10370zoom=14baselayer=Geofabrikopacity=1.00overlays=no_addr_street,street_not_found Geofabrik shows that there are many 'bugs' in the city 'Reet' ... but when I examine it, some/all houses are tagged with 'associatedStreet streetname, etc'... Is this the correct tagging, or do we need to delete that tag, and tag them with 'addr:street'? About 50% of those are because of missing addr:street or associatedStreet relation. It would in general be a good thing that we try and fix all those errors. Thanks in advance, Joren __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: @Jan-Willem: I wouldn't take away the addr:street from the houses and POIs when you add them to an associatedStreet relation. I tried that once, a few years ago, and had to revert because portable editors didn't support relations (and they still don't) and, when in the field, people are missing that information then. So it's probably best to keep that redundancy in the data. I find that very dangerous, and would rather people added only addr:street tags than both. What if I incorrectly add an associatedStreet, and then a mobile mapper adds the correct addr:street tag - who should the end users then believe? Or if I add the correct relation, and a vandal a wrong addr:street tag? You know, seeing as the street already has the name, why is the name repeated in associatedStreet at all? - Jw ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
I've added most of those addresses in Reet. I use JOSM all the time to create associatedStreet relations. I vaguely remember seeing a different behavior at a certain point, where JOSM started adding addr:street tags to the buildings when its building tool creates an associatedStreet relation. Is this my imagination, or did anybody else noticed this as well ? m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
This is what I would propose: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1919939/history addr:city, addr:postcode, addr:country, and maybe addr:state, although I'd prefer addr:province there go in the associatedStreet relation. The name of the street goes into name. This way it becomes usable in the list of relations. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/141730010/history addr:housenumber and addr:street are filled out on the buildings and POIs. The advantage is that this is workable with a minimal editor on a tablet or phone, while at the same time reducing tens of thousands of repetitions of city names and postcodes. This way the street name is available as name on the ways and the associatedStreet relations and as addr:street on the buildings and the POIs. The redundancy that is created this way allows to detect anomalies as described by Jan-Willem and get them corrected. A good example is the problem I just fixed, where a street name of a street in Leuven inadvertently got applied to the houses in Reet. Geofabrik's site spotted that. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
2013/1/7 Jan-willem De Bleser j...@thescrapyard.org On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Who says that the closest street is in the associatedstreet relation. That relation has nothing to do with the closest street, only with the administrative division of houses into streets. Look at this relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1869108 Hang on, by closest street you mean closest way of a street mapped as multiple ways? It's my understanding that, when this is the case, a house is associated with the way on which it lies. That relation 1869108 is an example of incorrect mapping, as far as I can see. Addresses are associated with a particular stretch of street, aren't they? I've always taken associatedStreet as a relation trying to represent this mapping. Or would you maintain that this is true, but that the stretch of street belonging to an address bears no relation to where the plot of land belonging to that address is? At first the definition of associatedStreet was like you say, but this has been changed. It's too hard to keep it correct (when splitting ways for example). So all the ways forming a street with addresses in the same city, having the same postcode, together with all the houses go into the same associatedStreet relation. BTW, there is a great mapcss for JOSM called ColouredAddresses which give a great overview of what belongs together. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:17:11AM +0100, Jo wrote: The associatedStreet relation has the streetname in 'name', not in addr:street. I also found some relations where this was done incorrectly. It is possible to fix all of them in one go. Advise me if you want me to do so. As far as I understand it, there is no reason to give the relation a name other than being useful to find it. The street name itself should come from the member that is marked as street. It something displays the name of the relation as addr:street information, I think that's just wrong and should get fixed. Kurt ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name
Bij een controle via osmose krijg ik 'Initial stuck to the name' als foutmelding. Het zou om een spellingfout gaan. Wat is er fout aan bijvoorbeeld O.L.Vrouw ten Steenkapel of L. Claeslaan ? Moet de naam voluit geschreven worden (moeilijk in het geval van L. Claeslaan!) of moeten de puntjes weggelaten worden. Guy Vanvuchelen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: If it's administrative, it's not necessarily the closest. I have given an example of it, but there are multiple examples, like for this house: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/174076563, it's in gemeente Staden, but all streets around it are in gemeente Roeselare. So you can't add those streets to the associatedstreet relation if it's administrative. Unless all driveways should also be part of the relation. So, this house has the official address Groenestraat 42, Staden, but the driveway opens on Groenestraat, Roeselare? And the problem is that if you add it to the associatedStreet, the house will look like it's in Roeselare, right? That is tricky, but the problem is not the relation linking the street and the house, but that the relation is tagged as being in Roeselare. Or have I misunderstood your explanation? Or are you all really only interested in associatedStreet as a gathering point for the common information such as postcode and country? I thought so, as it's a general recommendation to not use relations where spatial queries can be 100% accurate. Administrative stuff can't be 100% accurate queried, closest street can. 'Closest street' is 100% accurate, but the street a house belongs to is not necessarily the closest one, especially if you were to consider a street that crosses a town boundary to be two separate streets. To take a similar problem, if you have a house that is divided in half by a postcode boundary, how do you determine in which postcode the house belongs? This is the kind of problem I had in mind when I said, in my first mail, that such a search was not necessarily accurate. I do see your point that you shouldn't tag what you can find in a 100% accurate search. Of course, that leads me to the question of Why do we add addr:city at all, assuming that every house is fully within a city's boundaries? ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
2013/1/7 Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 06:06:02PM +, Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: Of course, that leads me to the question of Why do we add addr:city at all, assuming that every house is fully within a city's boundaries? The only reason I can see that being useful is that border between 2 cities goes through the building. The reason why I want to add addr:city and addr:postcode via an associatedStreet relation is that not all data consumers have geographic databases at their disposal and Openstreetmap doesn't have an API (yet) that allows you to query what city an object is in. It is trivial though to ask what associatedStreet relation does an object belong to and get the complete address that way. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
2013/1/7 Jo winfi...@gmail.com But how do you propose to count those? There might be numbers missing in the sequence or there might be 4A, 4B, 4C, etc in between. 2 and 6. At least such discrepancies are possible in Belgium. I try to remove those discrepancies as much as possible, but I can't say they don't exist. It's your service, you make the rules. I think we need more services like this, and then mappers get achievements like Lord of housenumbers, Master of powerlines, Governor of buildings when they come in the top 3%. That's quite a motivator. Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] ¿Qué usas para editar en OSM?
Siguiendo el hilo sobre editores, y aunque sé que existen estadísticas. ahí va una encuesta rápida para ver qué editor es más popular en la comunidad hispana: https://docs.google.com/a/jynus.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGcwZ2M1aERwTGhhZkZfU3QxUHh4YVE6MQ -- Jaime Crespo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ¿Qué usas para editar en OSM?
2013/1/7 Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com: Siguiendo el hilo sobre editores, y aunque sé que existen estadísticas. ahí va una encuesta rápida para ver qué editor es más popular en la comunidad hispana: you can see the statistics for a single user with how-did-you-contribute (at the bottom) http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Richard http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?stoecker etc. there is also a page in the wiki that gives overall statistics: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. It seems to me that OSM needs a full time staff that can work with the community to build OSM for the future. I would think that at the rate we are growing, we need to be planning for a much bigger future. Just a few days ago I replied to a mailing list thread about OSM's market share with my thoughts on precisely this topic you mention in the quote above: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/06.html I am a developer so my area of interest is technical but I am sure that in other areas like working with the community, communication and advertising, data (handling vandalisms, imports) there is a similar need for more involvement. Sure it would be great to have the project run on volunteers - money (some people being paid) thrown in the mix always causes problems at some point - but I think it's becoming clear that OSM cannot reach that next level without some sort of push... After all, it's normal in other large projects/organizations that some people are working full time on it. Perhaps OSM needs to evolve a little bit more to embrace such model? The other problem is much simpler - where do you get the money from? I thought about OSM Foundation getting involved and trying to get some funding for the project. Not sure how that would work legally but at this point there has to be a way to get money for development - it's clear that many stakeholders and users of OSM want to see the project moving forward and I'm sure some of them are willing to donate money. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
2013/1/7 Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm: Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. OSM growth is there: +80% accounts in one year (we had half a million back in Nov. 2011, and reached the million this week-end). I've gathered a few statistics for France for 2012... and the growth of data is also high, around +34% more highways of all kinds with a rate of more than 1000km added daily. Hardware needs to follow the growth of data and use of data (tiles) as well as human resources too... The failure of a couple of servers this week-end also showed that we currently have too many single point of failure in our architecture (one is too many). Yes funding is an important question. Asking for donation for some hardware from time to time will not allow to do much. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Am 06.01.2013 16:11, schrieb Janko Mihelić: What about addr:interpolation? Do you count all the housenumbers in between, or only the ones on the ends? I think all should be counted. And not because I use those a lot :) -1 address interpolations are exactly that: interpolations. Often you find missing ones (like 5a 5b in the odd 1-11 interpolation), that could not be counted, or the other way around there are houses missing which is not stated in the interpolation (interpolating even 2-222, but the house with number 100 does not (yet) exist). Additionally the position of individual housenumbers often can only be roughly estimated by the interpolation. That's better than nothing, and for sure better than only two housenumbers without the interpolation information in between, but individual numbers would be much better usually. Counting that equally I think would benefit lazy mappers (no offense, address interpolations are often a great intermediate mapping result). regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Regarding housenumbers, I'm trying to render them with only the ones around street corners at some zoom level. It is not obvious and almost impossible with a standard osm2pgsql schema. It looks like some db/osmosis schema is necessary for such complex postgis queries. Anyone tried something in that area ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Hi, On 01/07/2013 02:48 PM, Christian Quest wrote: Regarding housenumbers, I'm trying to render them with only the ones around street corners at some zoom level. You could try to make a layer that returns the house number plus the count of highway=residential ways within n metres of the house number (e.g. count(*) from planet_osm_line other where st_dwithin(this.way,that.way,n)). That would of course not be perfect... I'd also be interested in trying to align house numbers to the matching street so that they have an equal distance and the same angle as the street. Also a difficult problem. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
Am 07.01.2013 08:22, schrieb Jo: Maybe the home page should not have a map on it (it's only a sample of what is in the database anyway, which will always be lacking some feature). Instead it could have links to openlinkmap.org http://openlinkmap.org/ (which is what you seem to want), hikebikemap.de http://hikebikemap.de/, http://demo.3liz.com/osmtransport/ and many more fine examples of other ways to represent the available data. The problem is, that the ordinary user is confused with that. He/she does not know what to choose, meaning he will leave right away and go for Google or Bing Maps. Of course, it is possible to make OSM purely for OSM mappers and more tech affectionate people, but I wonder if this is the right attitude. Just because someone is not that interested into something like that, he still wants to be able to use the map. If you think of it, everybody has some weak points in his knowledge: food, clothing, technology, languages; and for everything, there are services to make it easy for someone. Therefore, in my opinion, it is necessary to develop the main OSM map: This is where the people look, and not somewhere else. If they have too much choice, they will not use it at all. Of course, there can and should be other projects. But I think the main OSM map should be developed and incorporate much more features, especially being more interactive: Being able to click on items (e.g. click on a shop, and its further details with name, telephone number etc. will pop up), selecting bus lanes which will then be highlighted on the map, looking for all supermarkets in a city etc. The features which most of the users want should be there; only more specialized stuff needs an own map. Wikipedia has become so widely used because it is extremely simple: just go on wikipedia.org, enter your search term and done. This is also necessary for OSM, I think: If you only heard the name openstreetmap, you look for openstreetmap in google, and then you want all the information on one page. Of course, this may need full-time development, but I think many people would be willing to donate money for that purpose. I certainly would. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
Hi Pawel, Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of a senior user my 2 cents Julien De : Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 4 janvier 2013 0h01 Objet : [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta) Hi all, For some time now I've been working on the OpenStreetMap Watch List project[1] and on integrating OWL into the main OSM website. At this point I've got something slowly approaching beta status and I would appreciate early feedback from the community. You can see it in action here: http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ Couple of things: * Zoom levels = 14 should be usable. On lower zoom levels it sometimes takes a lot of time to show history. Also I don't have clear idea yet what to really show on the lower zoom levels - what would be useful - so suggestions are welcome. * I'm actively working on this instance so don't be surprised when something breaks or there is no data at all etc. - it's a beta version :-) * You can click on nodes/ways in the map to get more details about changes :-) Any comments are welcome. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL_(OpenStreetMap_Watch_List) Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: What about addr:interpolation? Do you count all the housenumbers in between, or only the ones on the ends? I think all should be counted. And not because I use those a lot :) Janko (1373) Mihelić ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk In some cases, address interpolation may produce addresses that don't exist on the ground. My parents lived for years on a street that has several sharp turns. In order to keep the addresses more-or-less in sync between the two sides of the street, a number of potential house numbers were skipped at the inside of the sharp turns. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
Hi Julien, Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of a senior user That's an interesting feature. I'm not sure if it belongs in OWL - maybe it would make sense to implement that in the core website application so that this seniority information could be used in all places where user data is shown. But that's more of a technical problem - the feature itself is a good idea, I will make a note of it, thanks. In general I would like to add some social feel to the new history tab like displaying user avatar (I hit a technical problem with that for now) to make it more engaging than just a dump of changeset metadata. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Farmland not 'Light' enough?
I second that it should stay brown! There are way to many green objects and we don't want it confused with the grass tag. My vote would be to play around with the brown color. I certainly agree that it currently isn't the best. Cheers, ingalls On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 6-1-2013 15:51, Dave F. wrote: On a related topic; if a field has a barrier tag it changes colour rendering at zoom 16: That's because having a landuse on it as well pushes it into the polygon table. It's subsequently rendered as a barrier area, ie. with the barrier=hedge fill. -- Lennard __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Farmland not 'Light' enough?
Green grass would be useful to differentiate between pasture and use a lighter brown for arable fields. Not much farmland is tagged at present, but I it was envisage the map becoming largely brown which will not be attractive. Most areas that are currently default background are in reality farmland. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 07/01/2013 16:24 nicholas ingalls wrote: I second that it should stay brown! There are way to many green objects and we don't want it confused with the grass tag. My vote would be to play around with the brown color. I certainly agree that it currently isn't the best. Cheers, ingalls On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 6-1-2013 15:51, Dave F. wrote: On a related topic; if a field has a barrier tag it changes colour rendering at zoom 16: That's because having a landuse on it as well pushes it into the polygon table. It's subsequently rendered as a barrier area, ie. with the barrier=hedge fill. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
I agree. We have so much good data, we just need to improve the map interface so more people come to OSM first. My friend Jeff Meyer just commented the other day that he wondered why we don't have an easy way for businesses to add their establishments to OSM. I know that Yahoo and Bing have it. Last year I helped my local gym out. They moved two blocks. Of course, OSM was fix on the day of the move. Bing and Yahoo had an easy web page to enter the new information. But if he had to go through the process of making the change in OSM it would have never happened. We can and shouldn't expect everyone to have the same interest in learn how to map. But we should make it easy to add and update data for businesses. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. It seems to me that OSM needs a full time staff that can work with the community to build OSM for the future. I would think that at the rate we are growing, we need to be planning for a much bigger future. Just a few days ago I replied to a mailing list thread about OSM's market share with my thoughts on precisely this topic you mention in the quote above: http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2013-**January/06.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/06.html I am a developer so my area of interest is technical but I am sure that in other areas like working with the community, communication and advertising, data (handling vandalisms, imports) there is a similar need for more involvement. Sure it would be great to have the project run on volunteers - money (some people being paid) thrown in the mix always causes problems at some point - but I think it's becoming clear that OSM cannot reach that next level without some sort of push... After all, it's normal in other large projects/organizations that some people are working full time on it. Perhaps OSM needs to evolve a little bit more to embrace such model? The other problem is much simpler - where do you get the money from? I thought about OSM Foundation getting involved and trying to get some funding for the project. Not sure how that would work legally but at this point there has to be a way to get money for development - it's clear that many stakeholders and users of OSM want to see the project moving forward and I'm sure some of them are willing to donate money. Paweł __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
Oh, sure... drag me into the fray. In general, I agree with Paweł, Hans, and Cliff - there are a variety of services we could offer on the front page of openstreetmap.org that would make visiting it a much more rich experience and more inviting to newer users. For example, I'd like to use OSM for my routing, but I'm not sure why I have to go anywhere other than osm.org to do that. Another example: there's nothing that says simply, You can map your local area - learn how! or Add your business to this map, or Start mapping. Perhaps the real question we should ask is, Why should the casual visitor, who looks at our current home page after knowing about Google Maps, Bing Maps, Yahoo Maps, etc. ever come back to osm? Do we care? I think many of us have plenty of good reasons, none of which are obvious from the home page content. - Jeff On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: I agree. We have so much good data, we just need to improve the map interface so more people come to OSM first. My friend Jeff Meyer just commented the other day that he wondered why we don't have an easy way for businesses to add their establishments to OSM. I know that Yahoo and Bing have it. Last year I helped my local gym out. They moved two blocks. Of course, OSM was fix on the day of the move. Bing and Yahoo had an easy web page to enter the new information. But if he had to go through the process of making the change in OSM it would have never happened. We can and shouldn't expect everyone to have the same interest in learn how to map. But we should make it easy to add and update data for businesses. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. It seems to me that OSM needs a full time staff that can work with the community to build OSM for the future. I would think that at the rate we are growing, we need to be planning for a much bigger future. Just a few days ago I replied to a mailing list thread about OSM's market share with my thoughts on precisely this topic you mention in the quote above: http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2013-** January/06.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/06.html I am a developer so my area of interest is technical but I am sure that in other areas like working with the community, communication and advertising, data (handling vandalisms, imports) there is a similar need for more involvement. Sure it would be great to have the project run on volunteers - money (some people being paid) thrown in the mix always causes problems at some point - but I think it's becoming clear that OSM cannot reach that next level without some sort of push... After all, it's normal in other large projects/organizations that some people are working full time on it. Perhaps OSM needs to evolve a little bit more to embrace such model? The other problem is much simpler - where do you get the money from? I thought about OSM Foundation getting involved and trying to get some funding for the project. Not sure how that would work legally but at this point there has to be a way to get money for development - it's clear that many stakeholders and users of OSM want to see the project moving forward and I'm sure some of them are willing to donate money. Paweł __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
I agree that we should have tools to facilitate adding or updating POI's, including with a smartphone. But we should not forget that OSM is more then a commercial map. This is a community map and we have to show the various activities our contributors are engaged in. I would also like to easily find a doctor, a community center, etc. And it should be easy to select from a list without the complexity of OSM tags. It would also be interesting to have POI layers grouped by various sectors like restaurants, hosting, stores, medical services, public services, attractions, etc. Pierre De : Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us À : Cc : Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 7 janvier 2013 12h20 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look I agree. We have so much good data, we just need to improve the map interface so more people come to OSM first. My friend Jeff Meyer just commented the other day that he wondered why we don't have an easy way for businesses to add their establishments to OSM. I know that Yahoo and Bing have it. Last year I helped my local gym out. They moved two blocks. Of course, OSM was fix on the day of the move. Bing and Yahoo had an easy web page to enter the new information. But if he had to go through the process of making the change in OSM it would have never happened. We can and shouldn't expect everyone to have the same interest in learn how to map. But we should make it easy to add and update data for businesses. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. It seems to me that OSM needs a full time staff that can work with the community to build OSM for the future. I would think that at the rate we are growing, we need to be planning for a much bigger future. Just a few days ago I replied to a mailing list thread about OSM's market share with my thoughts on precisely this topic you mention in the quote above: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/06.html I am a developer so my area of interest is technical but I am sure that in other areas like working with the community, communication and advertising, data (handling vandalisms, imports) there is a similar need for more involvement. Sure it would be great to have the project run on volunteers - money (some people being paid) thrown in the mix always causes problems at some point - but I think it's becoming clear that OSM cannot reach that next level without some sort of push... After all, it's normal in other large projects/organizations that some people are working full time on it. Perhaps OSM needs to evolve a little bit more to embrace such model? The other problem is much simpler - where do you get the money from? I thought about OSM Foundation getting involved and trying to get some funding for the project. Not sure how that would work legally but at this point there has to be a way to get money for development - it's clear that many stakeholders and users of OSM want to see the project moving forward and I'm sure some of them are willing to donate money. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Farmland not 'Light' enough?
Aun Johnsen On 7. jan. 2013, at 15:48, talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: . Most areas that are currently default background are in reality farmland. Phil (trigpoint) Not true, most untagged areas are either some form of wilderness, farmlands, or on some rare occurances tagged with non-rendered tags. There are still areas of the world where most industries, residential areas and other still are largely untagged. Now, having the map taking crop and produce tags into consideration would be great, but that is maybe for a specialist map? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
OSM has two choices: make a strategic plan, or maintaining an organic grow path. I love the way OSM developed so far, delivering great products such as Mapnik, JOSM and mkgmap, having sysadmins doing a great job in keeping the database available etcetera. It's also great to see that OSM now has more than 1 million registered users. However, the number of users editing ( http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries ) is not increasing in the same manner. Being involved for over three years now in the project, I have the assumption that the actual use of OSM in apps or PND's is not rising very quickly, probably also caused by competition by better products such as Google maps (yes, I know that OSM is a database and not an app). And I noticed that trying to get advanced features in OSM, like lane assist, is really troublesome, So, my question is: how do we want Openstreetmap to evolve in the next years. The Wikimedia Foundation launched a strategic planning process in 2009: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page which, in 2010, resulted in a collaborative vision for the movement till 2015. In analogy, I would like to see the OSM Foundation to start such a process with the OSM community and others outside the community. And once there's a vision and a strategy for 2020, money might/will be needed to carry out the strategy. Cheers, Johan 2013/1/7 Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr I agree that we should have tools to facilitate adding or updating POI's, including with a smartphone. But we should not forget that OSM is more then a commercial map. This is a community map and we have to show the various activities our contributors are engaged in. I would also like to easily find a doctor, a community center, etc. And it should be easy to select from a list without the complexity of OSM tags. It would also be interesting to have POI layers grouped by various sectors like restaurants, hosting, stores, medical services, public services, attractions, etc. Pierre -- *De :* Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us *À :* *Cc :* Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 7 janvier 2013 12h20 *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look I agree. We have so much good data, we just need to improve the map interface so more people come to OSM first. My friend Jeff Meyer just commented the other day that he wondered why we don't have an easy way for businesses to add their establishments to OSM. I know that Yahoo and Bing have it. Last year I helped my local gym out. They moved two blocks. Of course, OSM was fix on the day of the move. Bing and Yahoo had an easy web page to enter the new information. But if he had to go through the process of making the change in OSM it would have never happened. We can and shouldn't expect everyone to have the same interest in learn how to map. But we should make it easy to add and update data for businesses. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello Clifford, Very interesting e-mail. It seems that as the project grows, there is more and more people feeling like there should be some kind of next level that OSM as a project and community should reach. I agree with that. It seems to me that OSM needs a full time staff that can work with the community to build OSM for the future. I would think that at the rate we are growing, we need to be planning for a much bigger future. Just a few days ago I replied to a mailing list thread about OSM's market share with my thoughts on precisely this topic you mention in the quote above: http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2013-**January/06.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/06.html I am a developer so my area of interest is technical but I am sure that in other areas like working with the community, communication and advertising, data (handling vandalisms, imports) there is a similar need for more involvement. Sure it would be great to have the project run on volunteers - money (some people being paid) thrown in the mix always causes problems at some point - but I think it's becoming clear that OSM cannot reach that next level without some sort of push... After all, it's normal in other large projects/organizations that some people are working full time on it. Perhaps OSM needs to evolve a little bit more to embrace such model? The other problem is much simpler - where do you get the money from? I thought about OSM Foundation getting involved and trying to get some funding for the project. Not sure how that would work legally but at this point there has to be a way to get money for development - it's clear that many stakeholders and users of OSM want to see the project moving forward and I'm sure some of them are willing to donate money. Paweł __**_ talk mailing list
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: I fully concur that OSM Foundation needs to start a vision and strategy for the future. How do we get their attention? In this instance I don't believe we should lead from the rear. We need the leadership that the Foundation can provide. Their attention Them. Us and Them. Nope. It's just us. All of us. What do the Foundation (us) need to do to make you (us) feel like it is okay for you (us) to build this vision and act on it? Join the OSMF. Serve on a Working Group or two. Lend the Foundation (us) more of your (us) energy and enthusiasm. The three great projects that you mentioned earlier, afaict, had no official participation from the Foundation. Someone (us) or several someones (usses) just made them. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
Hi, On 07.01.2013 23:32, Johan C wrote: In analogy, I would like to see the OSM Foundation to start such a process with the OSM community and others outside the community. And once there's a vision and a strategy for 2020, money might/will be needed to carry out the strategy. There's lots of things to be said about, and sometimes against, that and I'll probably go off on a number of tangents in this post. It is quite possible that OSMF will eventually have paid staff but it is not necessary either. Take a look around - Mapnik has been mentioned, and the the main Mapnik development investment comes from two people (Dane and Artem) who are both now paid for their work (just not by OSMF but by Mapbox). Mapbox have also acquired some funding from the Knight Foundation that might give us a Javascript editor, iD. Other valuable contributions to OSM came, and continue to come, from people getting their money from MapQuest (notably Nomiatim development by Brian and an alternative rendering stack done by Matt, as well as contributions to the Potlatch editor by Andy), or from Cloudmade (even though their interest in OSM has ebbed now), or Geofabrik (that's me). There's also nonprofits like HOT or CycleStreets who often fund some work related to OSM which benefits the project in one way or another, and OSMF (proto-) local chapters starting to acquire funds of their own and do stuff with it. All this is not controlled by the OSMF and has largely happened without OSMF involvement. This may have disadvantages - these people don't have to submit to any strategic planning by OSMF - but it also has the advantage that OSMF doesn't have to deal with fundraising and spending in the million dollar range, which would require a well-oiled and mature organisation to do properly. Such an organisation would have to be built before one were to embark on any grand schemes. The current situation demonstrates that even in the face of a small OSMF, the OSM ecosystem does evolve. It may not be steered and centrally planned but it isn't static either. The Wikimedia strategic planning process has been mentioned. Wikimedia spent an awful lot of money on professional consultants to help build the strategy, and indeed Mikel (member of the OSMF board until September 2012) had made initial contact with a few consultancies who work with nonprofits, with a view to finding out whether they could help OSMF with their strategic planning. The results were inconclusive; compared to Wikimedia when they started their strategic planning, OSMF is still very young, much less mature, and has much less cash, and many of those Mikel talked to correctly said that we might not yet be there. Before we embark on grand strategic planning, we must be able to answer questings like whom we want in the driver's seat at OSMF, what our core values are, and such. If you don't know at least roughly what you want, strategic planning doesn't help you. Thing is, many of us know what they want individually, but we don't have good methods of finding the collective will from that. Someone mentioned that it would be great to have paid programmers on hand to make improvements to the web site and tools. But again, the question is who would task these programmers? There are lots of people who want something from OSM - routing on the start page, cool offline apps, a nice mapmaking toolkit for everyone to use, an different kind of editor, whatever. Bascially, any feature you see on any online map anywhere, someone will be there to tell us that OSM needs this feature or else. I've even heard people argue that OSM should buy aerial imagery so openstreetmap.org can compete with Google maps. Attracting people to openstreetmap.org is good but only if it leads to more contribution; getting market share is worth nothing if it doesn't also improve contribution. Net contribution, I should say, because more prominence will also attract more vandals whose work has to be repaired by others. So if we attract pepole to osm.org we should try to attract those who are likely to contribute. Someone who comes to us because we have the prettiest aerial imagery might not be our target group. Our current model requires that if you want something, you will either have to code it yourself or find someone who codes it for you (or pays for it). This creates a hurdle which I, personally, find very welcome; it makes sure that only those who persist, only those who are willing to spend serious effort, only those for whom it really matters, are heard and get their ideas implemented, while those who have just seen OSM for the first time and sign up to enlighten us with their wisdom and cool ideas, only to go away and enlighten someone else next week, are ignored. This means that our whole project is very firmly rooted in the community; most things we do are by and for the community. If we had a lot of money and paid staff, It is
Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm writes: Hi Julien, Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could be very usefull to know if an edit has been done by a new user of a senior user That's an interesting feature. I'm not sure if it belongs in OWL - maybe it would make sense to implement that in the core website application so that this seniority information could be used in all places where user data is shown. While I found it very useful to see the map of users coded by how active they had been, I'm a bit concerned that such incentives will change behavior in ways that are not necessarily useful. I've heard stories of programmers at one company writing very bloated code because they were judged on number of lines of code produced. While that sounds goofy, getting a better color for lots of changesets is not so different. Still, it's very useful to filter out the people with few edits and find the people that are editing a lot, in terms of reaching out to locals for meetups, etc. pgpbzIp0hL7s7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fake city in google maps Colombia [semi-OT]
Hello I found that Google's mapmaker layer has a fictional city in Colombia where it really is a desert area [0] Leave a screenshot here [1] Google map has also incorporated some sites in its official map. [0] http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.13136lat=3.44456zoom=15 [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/2t4vkyfow2vtyv7/ficticia.jpg salu2 Humano ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our data?
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: It's clearly preposterous that both Jose Fredy's think their edits have been copied to Google. @Fredy - Is there really a locality called Granates when there is an existing 'Granales' right next to it? Not, Granates not is any locality, Granates is any farm. , I have also others examples . Dave F. On 05/01/2013 16:34, Fredy Rivera wrote: In Colombia abused google, copy your data and makes them small changes, notice the Camino viejo I did it with my own GPS. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?**mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemaplon=-** 75.18985lat=4.82902zoom=15http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemaplon=-75.18985lat=4.82902zoom=15 -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Nope. It's just us. All of us. What do the Foundation (us) need to do to make you (us) feel like it is okay for you (us) to build this vision and act on it? Join the OSMF. Serve on a Working Group or two. Lend the Foundation (us) more of your (us) energy and enthusiasm. The three great projects that you mentioned earlier, afaict, had no official participation from the Foundation. Someone (us) or several someones (usses) just made them. I am happy to work with and even join the OSMF. I even like the empowerment that OSM gives to its contributors. But building a vision for an organization with a million contributors and numerous stakeholders requires a lot of thought and planning. Certainly more than we are ever going to cover in these exchanges. It requires whoever takes on the task to get out and meet with contributors and stakeholders to craft a vision. Then to make it a shared vision means communicating that vision with all of us. For an organization made up of volunteers a vision is not a slogan, it is a view of what OSM will look like in the future. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look
Frederik - thanks for the detailed reply. I fear that many of the observations - as you note - can be arguments to the opposite of those being made. Also, almost none of the observations are supported by data. Can you provide any? I also find that many of the arguments in your mail are contrary to the Mission Statement of the Foundation ( http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Mission_Statement). As you are a member of the OSMF Board of Directors, this is confusing to me. Please see other notes below, but I'm not sure they add much to the comments above. - Jeff On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: All this is not controlled by the OSMF and has largely happened without OSMF involvement. Or in spite of, or because of, a lack of OSMF involvement. This may have disadvantages - these people don't have to submit to any strategic planning by OSMF - but it also has the advantage that OSMF doesn't have to deal with fundraising and spending in the million dollar range, which would require a well-oiled and mature organisation to do properly. Isn't one of the widest reaching and largest volunteer mapping forces in the world worthy of a mature and well-oiled organization? Such an organisation would have to be built before one were to embark on any grand schemes. No time to start like the present. The current situation demonstrates that even in the face of a small OSMF, the OSM ecosystem does evolve. It may not be steered and centrally planned but it isn't static either. The questions are: how well has it evolved? Could it have evolved better? We don't know. We only know how it has performed in the absence of a stronger leadership presence and with minimal fundraising. We could investigate the alternative and see how that goes. ... be there. Before we embark on grand strategic planning, we must be able to answer questings like whom we want in the driver's seat at OSMF, what our core values are, and such. If you don't know at least roughly what you want, strategic planning doesn't help you. Why not embark on less than grand planning? How about a simple plan? Take a stab at some core values? Thing is, many of us know what they want individually, but we don't have good methods of finding the collective will from that. What methods are considered good? Is voting a bad method of divining the collective will? Someone mentioned that it would be great to have paid programmers on hand to make improvements to the web site and tools. But again, the question is who would task these programmers? There are lots of people who want something from OSM - routing on the start page, cool offline apps, a nice mapmaking toolkit for everyone to use, an different kind of editor, whatever. Bascially, any feature you see on any online map anywhere, someone will be there to tell us that OSM needs this feature or else. I've even heard people argue that OSM should buy aerial imagery so openstreetmap.org can compete with Google maps. Doesn't everybody want something from OSM? I do. You do. We all do. What's wrong with that? Again, why not do surveys or voting? These types of topics would seem to be great discussions to have prior to SotM, so that we could report out on progress in decision making. And, just because people want something doesn't mean they think they'll get it and that doesn't mean the community shouldn't listen. Attracting people to openstreetmap.org is good but only if it leads to more contribution; getting market share is worth nothing if it doesn't also improve contribution. Net contribution, I should say, because more prominence will also attract more vandals whose work has to be repaired by others. So if we attract pepole to osm.org we should try to attract those who are likely to contribute. Someone who comes to us because we have the prettiest aerial imagery might not be our target group. This is a circular argument. As one of the OSMF's missions is to grow the membership, why say, if we attract more people? For example, what are we doing to (a) attract those who are likely to contribute, and (b) improve the user experience for those people who are contributing, and possibly (c) expanding the methods of contribution. And, how are we tracking our progress? It seems that figuring out some core values and a plan would help answer these questions. Our current model requires that if you want something, you will either have to code it yourself or find someone who codes it for you (or pays for it). This creates a hurdle which I, personally, find very welcome; it makes sure that only those who persist, only those who are willing to spend serious effort, only those for whom it really matters, are heard and get their ideas implemented, while those who have just seen OSM for the first time and sign up to enlighten us with their wisdom and cool ideas, only to go away and enlighten someone else next week, are ignored. But it
[Talk-de] Fotos von Autobahnen
Hi! Ich bin auf der Suche nach georeferenzierten Fotos von österreichischen (alle Schweizer/Deutsche: bitte weiterlesen) Autobahnen, derzeit vor allem von der A10 (Karawankenautobahn) und A11 (Tauernautobahn). Ich bin vor allem interessiert an Fotos von Geschwindigkeitslimits und Wegweisern jeder Form, aber auch von allen anderen Beschilderungen. Gezielte Aufnahmen der Schilder sind genauso willkommen wie Serienaufnahmen (z.B. alle zwei Sekunden ein Bild). Falls jemand schon Fotos hat oder in nächster Zeit dort vorbeikommt und Fotos machen kann würde ich mich freuen darüber. Da diese Autobahnen recht international besucht werden, geht meine Bitte nicht nur an talk-at sondern auch an talk-de. vg, Martin P.S: Die Bilder von www.autobahn-bilder.de kenne ich übrigens. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fotos von Autobahnen
Am 07.01.2013 09:13, schrieb Martin Vonwald: Hi! Ich bin auf der Suche nach georeferenzierten Fotos von österreichischen (alle Schweizer/Deutsche: bitte weiterlesen) Autobahnen, derzeit vor allem von der A10 (Karawankenautobahn) und A11 (Tauernautobahn). Ich bin vor allem interessiert an Fotos von Geschwindigkeitslimits und Wegweisern jeder Form, aber auch von allen anderen Beschilderungen. Gezielte Aufnahmen der Schilder sind genauso willkommen wie Serienaufnahmen (z.B. alle zwei Sekunden ein Bild). Falls jemand schon Fotos hat oder in nächster Zeit dort vorbeikommt und Fotos machen kann würde ich mich freuen darüber. Da diese Autobahnen recht international besucht werden, geht meine Bitte nicht nur an talk-at sondern auch an talk-de. vg, Martin P.S: Die Bilder von www.autobahn-bilder.de kenne ich übrigens. Hi Martin, schau mal unter https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Highways_in_Austria Wieviele davon aber wirklich georeferenziert sind, weiß ich nicht. Raimond. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fotos von Autobahnen
Am 7. Januar 2013 11:31 schrieb Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com: Hi Martin, schau mal unter https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Highways_in_Austria Wieviele davon aber wirklich georeferenziert sind, weiß ich nicht. Raimond. Danke - ist mir aber bekannt. Sind aber idR nur für die Wegweiser zu gebrauchen, da ich dafür nicht unbedingt die Position brauche. Für z.B. Speedlimits brauche ich aber eine durchgängige Fotoserie die auch auf jeden Fall georeferenziert sein muß. Trotzdem danke nochmals! Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Übersetzung Featured Images
Hallo ich würde mich gern mit um die Übersetzungen bei den Featured Images kümmern, aber irgendwie scheint das ganze recht chaotisch zu sein. Es gibt ja die verschiedensten Links (+/-) um zu den Bildern zu gelangen und man landet irgendwie immer wo anders. Damit [1] kommt man ja zum aktuellsten Bild und dort gibt es auch den Link [2] add more languages (da ist aber scheinbar leider etwas defekt) Über [3] Add your language kommt man auch zu einem Template, hat aber keinerlei Erklärung, wie man da eine Beschreibung in deutsch einfügen soll. Wäre nett wenn mir jemand in diesem Chaos den richtigen Weg zeigen könnte. mfg Christian [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Iotw [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Iotw_text_languages [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Iotw_text/2013-2action=edit ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Römerstraße
Am 06.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 6. Januar 2013 15:01 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Joachim Kast osm...@dd1gj.de wrote: Manchmal werden Sie sogar so genannt: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4703133 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/name=R%C3%B6merstra%C3%9Fe Gibts immerhin 2333 mal :) Das kann nun aber in 3 Fällen auftreten: 1. Rein neuzeitlicher Straßenname 2. Neuzeitlicher Straßenname aufgrund einer Römerstraße am selben Ort 3. Oberschlauer Mapper, der eine ehemalige Römerstraße mit name=Römerstraße getaggt hat. Ein solcher Fall wäre beispielsweise das hier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33573321 Müsste der Fall 1 nicht Römer Straße sein ;-) ? Nein. Heißt ja auch Germanenstraße, Frankenweg und Hinterwäldlerallee. Die Berlinerstraße könnte es auch geben, bezöge sich dann auf die Einwohner Berlins oder einen Herrn/eine Frau Berliner, während sich die Berliner Straße auf die Stadt Berlin beziehen müsste. Die Römer Straße bezieht sich demnach auf die Person namens Römer, die Römerstraße auf die römische Zivilisation bzw. das Volk der Römer. Gruß Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Römerstraße
Am 07.01.13 schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 06.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Müsste der Fall 1 nicht Römer Straße sein ;-) ? Nein. Heißt ja auch Germanenstraße, Frankenweg und Hinterwäldlerallee. Die Berlinerstraße könnte es auch geben, bezöge sich dann auf die Einwohner Berlins oder einen Herrn/eine Frau Berliner, während sich die Berliner Straße auf die Stadt Berlin beziehen müsste. So weit korrekt, da aber alle Straßen nach Rom führen, stimmt im Falle Roms auch die Römer (Romer?) Straße ;-) Gruß, Fabian.___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Römerstraße
Am 7. Januar 2013 13:58 schrieb Fabian Schmidt fschm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de: Am 07.01.13 schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 06.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Müsste der Fall 1 nicht Römer Straße sein ;-) ? Nein. Heißt ja auch Germanenstraße, Frankenweg und Hinterwäldlerallee. Die Berlinerstraße könnte es auch geben, bezöge sich dann auf die Einwohner Berlins oder einen Herrn/eine Frau Berliner, während sich die Berliner Straße auf die Stadt Berlin beziehen müsste. So weit korrekt, da aber alle Straßen nach Rom führen, stimmt im Falle Roms auch die Römer (Romer?) Straße ;-) So war das gemeint, daher auch der Smiley ;-) Gibt's wohl gelegentlich wirklich, z.B. hier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.23335lon=11.43272zoom=16layers=M Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Römerstraße
Am 07.01.13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: [Römer Straße] Gibt's wohl gelegentlich wirklich, z.B. hier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.23335lon=11.43272zoom=16layers=M Ich tippe eher auf die Unkenntnis des lokalen Schilderbeauftragten, im Nachbarort heißt sie Römerstr. Bei Google ist es genauso, bei Bing ist beides eine Römerstr. Seit ich weiß, dass es in Leipzig sowohl eine Leibnitzstraße als auch 11 km entfernt eine Leibnizstraße gibt, halte ich mich mit Korrekturen zurück. Gruß, Fabian.___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 129 31.12.-5.1.2013
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 128 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2013/01/wochennotiz-nr-129/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Visualizzare amenity specifico
perfetto, è proprio quello che cercavo, grazie Il 06 gennaio 2013 23:25, Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com ha scritto: XAPI Viewer . Esempio : http://osm.dumoulin63.net/xapiviewer/?zoom=14lat=43.5455lon=10.31954layers=0BTicon=icons%2Ffood_ice_cream.n.32.pngrequest=amenity%3Dice_cream FabC Il giorno 06 gennaio 2013 20:20, Ruggero giurr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Salve, vorrei sovrapporre alla solita mappa dei marker relativi a una particolare amenity, per esempio voglio vedere dove sono tutte le gelaterie in una certa area. Sembra che da www.openstreetbrowser sia possibile creare nuove regole, quali sono altre soluzioni? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] importare Poi da file csv in Josm
Il 01/04/2013 09:04 PM, Groppo O scrisse: Il plugin sembra funzionare creando un file .csv con il seguente testo: latitude;longitude;amenity;name 43.0;12.0;restaurant;Al mappatore Grazie, cosi' funziona, anche senza le virgolette doppie. E dire che ho provato una decina di combinazioni tra nomi di campi, separatori di campo, ecc. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pubblicare proprie foto con openlayer
per il link ad OpenstreetLedro dovrete avere un po' di pazienza, un gentile collega mi ha cancella to il lavoro dal sito della scuola e ho recuperato un po' del lavoro fatto dai ragazzi, ma non sono ancora riuscito a ripubblicarlo (non credo di farcela prima dell'estate) ciao matteo Il 03 gennaio 2013 18:53, gmail albertobon...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 03/01/2013 16.08, Dario ha scritto: Volevo pubblicare delle foto usando Openlayer come indicato nella pagina wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OpenLayers_Foto ma questi link riportati nella pagina non funzionano (OpenStreetLedro e Foto Valle del Santerno) e utilizzando il codice presente come esempio ottengo una pagina bianca (senza mappa ne foto). Qualcuno può correggere/aggionare la pagina wiki? Ciao e grazie Ho modificato il link nella pagina wiki (Foto Valle del Santerno) ora funziona. Ciao Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Edifici demoliti o in demolizione
Il giorno 05 gennaio 2013 11:02, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2013/1/4 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Alcuni edifici del Policlinico di Milano sono stati demoliti o sono in demolizione (gennaio/febbraio). Sul wiki nessuna informazione chiara: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts gli edifici demoliti toglierei (cancella) della mappa. Potresti indicare nel changeset comment / tag che sono stati demoliti. Il landuse diventa brownfield (tutto demolito) o construction (in fase di demolizione o ricostruzione). Così però rischiamo che qualche mappatore li ridisegni credendoli non ancora mappati. Personalmente sono favorevole alla soluzione demolition:key=value: un consumatore non li considererà (a meno che non gli interessino proprio quelli), e i mappatori li vedranno descritti e sapranno perché non sono renderizzati. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
Oggi un comune mi ha fatto notare che secondo la nuova normativa DigitPA, i comuni rilasciano i propri dati all'ISTAT il quale provvede poi a divulgarli nei modi che ritiene opportuno. Tra questi dati ci sarebbero anche i numeri civici. Qualcuno potrebbe accertare la cosa ed eventualmente farne richiesta a nome della comunità italiana? -- Stefano Fraccaro Web: http://www.stefanofraccaro.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
La questione dei civici dell'ISTAT e' una questione aperta. I civici sono stati raccolti per il censimento 2011 e ISTAT ha gia' annunciato di questa attivita' e dell'interesse di apririli. Su slideshare, nello spazio di Edoardo Patruno che assieme a Francesco Di Pede (entrambi dell'ISTAT) si occupa del progetto. Trovi qualche informazione. Qui l'ultima presentazione http://www.slideshare.net/edopatruno/patruno-dipede-archivio-dei-numeri-civici-gfoss2012 al momento si continua a dire che i dati saranno resi pubblici, ma sembra che siano ancora dietro a sistemare delle cose. 2013/1/7 Stefano Fraccaro i...@stefanofraccaro.org: Oggi un comune mi ha fatto notare che secondo la nuova normativa DigitPA, i comuni rilasciano i propri dati all'ISTAT il quale provvede poi a divulgarli nei modi che ritiene opportuno. Tra questi dati ci sarebbero anche i numeri civici. Qualcuno potrebbe accertare la cosa ed eventualmente farne richiesta a nome della comunità italiana? -- Stefano Fraccaro Web: http://www.stefanofraccaro.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
Il rilascio dei numeri civici da parte dell'Istat permetterebbe di risparmiare una gigantesca quantità di tempo. Sapete se sono georeferenziati? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
2013/1/7 Caterpillar caterpilla...@gmail.com: Il rilascio dei numeri civici da parte dell'Istat permetterebbe di risparmiare una gigantesca quantità di tempo. Sapete se sono georeferenziati? Certo che si, guarda quella presentazione. Solo che, se non si sbrigano a rilasciare, diventano subito vecchi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
2013/1/7 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: 2013/1/7 Caterpillar caterpilla...@gmail.com: Il rilascio dei numeri civici da parte dell'Istat permetterebbe di risparmiare una gigantesca quantità di tempo. Sapete se sono georeferenziati? Certo che si, guarda quella presentazione. Solo che, se non si sbrigano a rilasciare, diventano subito vecchi +1, l'anno scorso ho trovato due comuni che avevano cambiato i civici, una Cervara di Roma, l'altra vicino Frosinone. Cmq. con i civici ufficiali potremmo anche mettere tutti i nomi delle strade (con civico), quindi sarebbe un boost enorme! ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
Il 07/01/2013 14:37, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2013/1/7 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: 2013/1/7 Caterpillar caterpilla...@gmail.com: Il rilascio dei numeri civici da parte dell'Istat permetterebbe di risparmiare una gigantesca quantità di tempo. Sapete se sono georeferenziati? Certo che si, guarda quella presentazione. Solo che, se non si sbrigano a rilasciare, diventano subito vecchi +1, l'anno scorso ho trovato due comuni che avevano cambiato i civici, una Cervara di Roma, l'altra vicino Frosinone. Cmq. con i civici ufficiali potremmo anche mettere tutti i nomi delle strade (con civico), quindi sarebbe un boost enorme! ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Ho appena visto le slide, effettivamente sarebbe di un aiuto colossale! Anche le persone non del luogo potrebbero immettere i nomi delle vie. Ciò sarebbe di enorme utilità specie nella mappatura dei piccoli paesini sperduti! Penso sia il caso di cominciare a sollecitare con insistenza l'ISTAT circa il rilascio di questi dati. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
2013/1/7 Caterpillar caterpilla...@gmail.com: Ho appena visto le slide, effettivamente sarebbe di un aiuto colossale! Anche le persone non del luogo potrebbero immettere i nomi delle vie. Ciò sarebbe di enorme utilità specie nella mappatura dei piccoli paesini sperduti! Penso sia il caso di cominciare a sollecitare con insistenza l'ISTAT circa il rilascio di questi dati. si, ovviamente i civici già esistenti avrebbero precedenza rispetto a quelli da ISTAT, e ovviamente anche con i dati ISTAT non sarebbe ancora completo al 100% il lavoro. Sarebbe interessante conoscere i nomi delle 215 comuni che hanno consegnato solo civici con parziale copertura e di quelle 132 comuni che non hanno fornito niente (pag. 12), perchè questi sono per forza da rilevare anche nel caso che l'ISTAT aprisse il suo database ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
Ancora un'altra idea che mi viene in mente, visto che abbiamo precedentemente discusso dove applicare i civici e alcune mappatori pensano che sia migliore metterli solo al ingresso invece che nel edificio (o una parte del edificio). Credo che per avere quel livello di dettaglio dovremmo avere un modello come l'ISTAT, che associa l'ingresso all'edificio (molto impegnativo con OSM, si dovrebbe creare una relazione per ogni civico), oppure come astrazione grezza mettrei il civico all'edificio (o una parte). Perchè altrimenti non è possibile di capire con certezza su quale indirizzo si trova un POI (oppure si dovrebbero duplicare i dati del civico su ogni edificio e POI, cosa credo che non vogliamo). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
Il 07/01/2013 15:17, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Ancora un'altra idea che mi viene in mente, visto che abbiamo precedentemente discusso dove applicare i civici e alcune mappatori pensano che sia migliore metterli solo al ingresso invece che nel edificio (o una parte del edificio). Credo che per avere quel livello di dettaglio dovremmo avere un modello come l'ISTAT, che associa l'ingresso all'edificio (molto impegnativo con OSM, si dovrebbe creare una relazione per ogni civico), oppure come astrazione grezza mettrei il civico all'edificio (o una parte). Perchè altrimenti non è possibile di capire con certezza su quale indirizzo si trova un POI (oppure si dovrebbero duplicare i dati del civico su ogni edificio e POI, cosa credo che non vogliamo). ciao, Martin Personalmente, prendendo spunto da ciò che ho visto fare ad altri mappatori su Roma, metto un nodo in più nel perimetro dell'edificio (dove vi è l'ingresso), e utilizzo le tag addr:housenumber addr:street Facendo ciò, l'assegnazione numero civico-strada dovrebbe essere apposto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Mappa degli utenti (e statistiche)
Ciao, Pascal Neis ha fatto una mappa che risolve il problema di cercare gli utenti nella propria zona. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=6lat=42.10041lon=14.30356layers=B00TFFT Altre segnalazioni: - Il video A year of edits http://derickrethans.nl/year-of-edits-2012.html - Umap (per creare facilmente mappe con dati esterni) http://umap.fluv.io/ - http://osmtools.org/indoor/ Visualizzatore indoor Ciao, Stefano PS Statistiche social di fine anno (non volevo aprire un altro thread :-) ) Sulla pagina FB (che potete seguire via RSS se non lo avete http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10id=432851686752342) Ci sono 190 fan, potenzialmente raggiungiamo circa 67 mila persone (se venissero condivise le notizie e gli amici di amici visualizzassero :-) ), mentre in realtà si viaggia fra le 300 e le 2000 visualizzazioni a settimana (picchi durante OSMit e adesso grazie al video linkato sopra) Google+ è seguito da 37 persone, e ha portato il blog ad avere 48 +1. PS2 I dati relativi al blog (http://blog.openstreetmap.it/blog/) non li conosco, ma le notizie e le traduzioni che pubblico sul blog di un mio amico (http://marcosbox.blogspot.it/) sono visti in media 300 volte -range 200-500 -. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Richiesta numeri civici
2013/1/7 Caterpillar caterpilla...@gmail.com: Personalmente, prendendo spunto da ciò che ho visto fare ad altri mappatori su Roma, metto un nodo in più nel perimetro dell'edificio (dove vi è l'ingresso), e utilizzo le tag addr:housenumber addr:street Facendo ciò, l'assegnazione numero civico-strada dovrebbe essere apposto si, l'assegnazione civico - strada è chiara, il problema è se poi hai un POI dentro un edificio, dovresti di nuovo assegnare il civico al poi, invece ce l'hai su un poligono basta che il POI sta dentro. Ametto che anch'io metto al solito un nodo per ogni civico nel edificio, lato strada, ma non è la cosa migliore (se lo sai meglio, cioè sai dove si applica questo civico (casa/edificio) è meglio metterlo su un area). In città è spesso difficile da dire --- senza conoscenze profonde --- dove finisce un civico ed inizia un altro (gli edifici grandi hanno quasi sempre più civici). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Varie Porta Nuova a Milano
Il 01/06/2013 12:33 PM, Any File scrisse: Ma il multiplygon rel 2625489 non ha i tag che descrivano. Devo spostare (o copiare) i tag highway=pedestrian e area=yes dalla way 195074660 alla rel 2625489 Ho visto che Simone Saviolo ha fatto un po' di modifiche (mannaggia, proprio mentre le stavo facendo io ed ho dovuto buttar via tutto). Non sono convinto che i buchi e le fontane vadano bene cosi'. Dal wiki sui multipoligoni mi pare che sia suggerito di creare un multipoligono per ogni fontana. In ognuno si toglie il buco. I buchi andrebbero ovviamente rimossi dal multipoligono della piazza. Per Simone: ho visto che hai anche modificato la way che dalla piazza scende verso De Castilla. Non sono molto d'accordo che quello sia un path. Un path c'e' ed e' parallelo alla via, ma secondo me quella strada e' fatta per far arrivare in auto autorita' varie o persone importanti davanti all'entrata della spire. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Varie Porta Nuova a Milano
2013/1/7 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Il 01/06/2013 12:33 PM, Any File scrisse: Non sono convinto che i buchi e le fontane vadano bene cosi'. Dal wiki sui multipoligoni mi pare che sia suggerito di creare un multipoligono per ogni fontana. In ognuno si toglie il buco. I buchi andrebbero ovviamente rimossi dal multipoligono della piazza. Ma i buchi centrale (ad esempio way 195074659) sono sempre pedestrian? Qualcuno sa di preciso cosa ci sia sotto. Sono stato lì oggi, mentre 3 fontane erano asciutte e ci stavano lavorando (le 3 con i fori, mentre la quarta aveva l'acqua). A me sembra di aver capito che c'è una superficie in corrispondenza di un piano sotterraneo. L'intera zona è però richiusa da una parete per cui presumo che non sia raggiungibile da quel piano (e non so se ci cade dentro l'acqua visto che quando sono passato io l'acqua non c'era ...) Per Simone: ho visto che hai anche modificato la way che dalla piazza scende verso De Castilla. Non sono molto d'accordo che quello sia un path. Un path c'e' ed e' parallelo alla via, ma secondo me quella strada e' fatta per far arrivare in auto autorita' varie o persone importanti davanti all'entrata della spire. Da quel che ho visto io ci sono due way parallele. Quella più ad Ovest dovrebbe essere parizlamente aperta al traffico, nel senso che il cartello dice zona a traffico limitato. Smpre secondo il cartello possono passarci taxi, bici ed autorizzati (al momento però ci sono 5 pali metallici che rendono impossibile il passaggio se non alle bici e pedoni). Oltre a questa c'è un'altra way ad est che è il prolungamento del marciapiede e sembra quindi essere una pedestrian (o footway) AnyFile ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Varie Porta Nuova a Milano
Il 01/07/2013 09:28 PM, Any File scrisse: Ma i buchi centrale (ad esempio way 195074659) sono sempre pedestrian? Qualcuno sa di preciso cosa ci sia sotto. Soto ci sono piu' piani. Li si puo' vedere entrando da Corso Como. Tra l'altro alla fine della salita da corso Como c'e' una installazione di Garutti: http://www.artribune.com/2012/11/alberto-garutti-non-aveva-una-scultura-pubblica-a-milano-adesso-ce-lha-foto-e-video-della-nuova-opera-sotto-il-grattacielo-piu-alto-ditalia-a-porta-nuova/ I tubi che si vedono nella foto comunicano con i piani sotto dove immagino verranno aperti negozi, uffici e parcheggi, Sono stato lì oggi, mentre 3 fontane erano asciutte e ci stavano lavorando (le 3 con i fori, mentre la quarta aveva l'acqua). A me sembra di aver capito che c'è una superficie in corrispondenza di un piano sotterraneo. L'intera zona è però richiusa da una parete per cui presumo che non sia raggiungibile da quel piano (e non so se ci cade dentro l'acqua visto che quando sono passato io l'acqua non c'era ...) L'acqua sembra caderci ma c'e' un sistema di raccolta prima dei buchi Da quel che ho visto io ci sono due way parallele. Quella più ad Ovest dovrebbe essere parizlamente aperta al traffico, nel senso che il cartello dice zona a traffico limitato. Smpre secondo il cartello possono passarci taxi, bici ed autorizzati (al momento però ci sono 5 pali metallici che rendono impossibile il passaggio se non alle bici e pedoni). Oltre a questa c'è un'altra way ad est che è il prolungamento del marciapiede e sembra quindi essere una pedestrian (o footway) Si', e' quel che avevo visto e descritto anch'io. Li' e' tutto un po' dinamico pero'. Forse Simone ha inserito la strada come path perche' al momento vi si accede solo a piedi e in bici. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Varie Porta Nuova a Milano
Sì, ho fatto modifiche, essenzialmente alla geometria della piazza, utilizzando in maniera intensiva anche le foto satellitari (tranquilli, le ho riallineate continuamente, mi servivano più che altro per la forma dei palazzi che era abbastanza grossolana). Scusa emmex :-) Le modifiche che ho fatto ai tag riguardano principalmente il path. L'ho taggato path un po' controvoglia: per me sarebbe stato più volentieri pedestrian, senz'altro però non mi sembrava il caso di tenerlo service com'era. Non mi è affatto chiaro quel moncone di pedestrian che parte da via De Castillia lì vicino, invece. Per quanto riguarda le fontane, a me il multipoligono così com'è definito ora non piace. Non vedo perché le fontane debbano essere inner: sono fontane, mica pedestrian! Il fatto che ai piani inferiori si possa o meno camminare mi pare poco rilevante; tutt'al più quello lo segnerei in un altro poligono che rappresenta i piani inferiori, ma su questo c'è da mettersi d'accordo su come modellare (IndoorOSM?). L'installazione l'ho vista, l'ho anche fotografata, mi sono dimenticato di segnarla. Più che altro non avevo voglia di ridisegnare anche il pezzo di via Capelli che passa sotto alla Torre C. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa degli utenti (e statistiche)
2013/1/7 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: Ciao, Pascal Neis ha fatto una mappa che risolve il problema di cercare gli utenti nella propria zona. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=6lat=42.10041lon=14.30356layers=B00TFFT bellissima, molto interessante. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa degli utenti (e statistiche)
Questo link meriterebbe di essere pubblicizzato con un post sul blog di Openstreetmap Italia! Tramite quello ho scoperto il lavoro di un utente sul mio paese di cui non ne sapevo nulla :D ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa degli utenti (e statistiche)
Bene, scopro ora, non senza stupore, di essere un utente 'senior' e un 'heavy mapper'. Dopo l'iniziale moto di orgoglio, mi sorge il dubbio che non sia poi una gran notizia per la comunità OSM, anzi. Tutto è relativo, e forse (più probabilmente) il titolo è più per mancanza di contributori realmente tali che per mio personale merito. Una veloce occhiata agli utenti registrati nella mia città , piccolo capoluogo di provincia del centro nord , per trovare conferma di tutto ciò: c'è un altro utente viola come me (per fortuna!) , un altro verde , un paio arancioni e poi tutti - la stragrande maggioranza - immancabilmente rossi..utenti 'hit and run' , un paio di edit, probabilmente anche di qualità medio-bassa (leggi: da modificare) e poi il nulla. Spariti nella nebbia del tempo. Il post di Harry Wood mi da altre conferme in tal senso http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Harry%20Wood/diary/18354 Mi chiedo: forse vale la pena di contattarli, per spronarli a continuare? Ma poi che gli si scrive? Scusate lo sfogo.. sent by Nexus7 Il giorno 07/gen/2013 16:41, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, Pascal Neis ha fatto una mappa che risolve il problema di cercare gli utenti nella propria zona. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=6lat=42.10041lon=14.30356layers=B00TFFT Altre segnalazioni: - Il video A year of edits http://derickrethans.nl/year-of-edits-2012.html - Umap (per creare facilmente mappe con dati esterni) http://umap.fluv.io/ - http://osmtools.org/indoor/ Visualizzatore indoor Ciao, Stefano PS Statistiche social di fine anno (non volevo aprire un altro thread :-) ) Sulla pagina FB (che potete seguire via RSS se non lo avete http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10id=432851686752342) Ci sono 190 fan, potenzialmente raggiungiamo circa 67 mila persone (se venissero condivise le notizie e gli amici di amici visualizzassero :-) ), mentre in realtà si viaggia fra le 300 e le 2000 visualizzazioni a settimana (picchi durante OSMit e adesso grazie al video linkato sopra) Google+ è seguito da 37 persone, e ha portato il blog ad avere 48 +1. PS2 I dati relativi al blog (http://blog.openstreetmap.it/blog/) non li conosco, ma le notizie e le traduzioni che pubblico sul blog di un mio amico (http://marcosbox.blogspot.it/) sono visti in media 300 volte -range 200-500 -. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] El Mapa de los colaboradores
Que tristeza que lo insulten a uno en la cara, y peor cuando tienen razon. http://www.hdyc.neis-one.org/?ingenieroariel *Type of Mapper:* A Hit-and-Run Mapper lhttp://www.hdyc.neis-one.org/?ingenieroariel On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.comwrote: Hola maperos! Interesante herramienta para visualizar los colaboradores alrededor del país http://neis-one.org/2013/01/oooc/ Mapa en Colombia http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=6lat=6.04427lon=-71.82948layers=B00TFFT ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 54, Envío 1
Hola, en cuanto a las vías y los desfases, a medida que se suban más trazas gpx, es posible que podamos tener más exactitud, lo que en este momento es posiblemente más valioso es los detalles que puedas colocar como puestos de salud, gasolineras, restaurantes, tiendas y todo aquello que pueda ser relevante como teléfonos, droguerías para que una persona que vaya viajando pueda acceder a estos sitios en caso de alguna necesidad. Así superamos cualquier otro mapa. JOSM es super valioso, así que no te preocupes, porque no hay errores que no sean corregibles ;) El 4 de enero de 2013 23:04, Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.comescribió: Estimados Rodrigoo y Fulton Ante todo un feliz año para todos y que este 2013 sea de mucho crecimiento personal. Este año lo comencé editando algunas zonas del municipio en el editor potlach, pueden ver los cambios en http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chinacota .En el momento me encuentro analizando el editor JOSM, indudablemente se ve mas completo y profesional y definitivamente estudiaré los tutoriales para dominar el software, editar en potlach es como para cambios mínimos y no para largos ratos de edición y de mayor complejidad. Pude resolver lo del problema del archivo GPX, como estaba aprendiendo a manejar el etrex 20 pues me había confundido y el archivo que subía no tenia las hora y fecha y por el eso el sistema lo rechazaba. Les comento que hoy hice un viaje en bus desde chinácota hasta cúcuta y me sucedieron dos cosas curiosas, en la mañana note que el desplazamiento que estaba haciendo en ese momento se marcaba un poco más allá en el gps que el de la carretera (mapa actual) noté algunos desfases en curvas, en otros coincidía perfectamente, ya de regreso note que se corrigieron los errores que había visto no obstante vi algunos detalles en curvas por corregir pero tengo la duda si es que la señal en ese momento de la mañana estaba un poco retardada y por la velocidad del bus estaba graficando mal, pienso yo no sé este viaje se debería hacer en un automóvil a mas baja velocidad para que se marquen las coordenadas correctas y proceder a corregir los errores de mapeo en la carretera actual. Buenas Noches. El 4 de enero de 2013 14:02, talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org escribió: Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-co a talk-co@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-co-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-co digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: Presentación nuevo usuario (Rodrigo Castiblanco) 2. Re: Problema con subida gpx (Fulton Mercado) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:17:47 -0500 From: Rodrigo Castiblanco rcas...@gmail.com To: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Presentación nuevo usuario Message-ID: CAC3QoEHotSvoti3Wcz5hef+x7DT= lhy_qwypusijm9qte9t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hola Alexander Bienvenido a OSM! Tus aportes sin duda seran muy valiosos. Personlamente te recomiendo usar JOSM para editar los mapas: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Es%3AWikiStart Puede ser menos intuitivo qu potlach, pero es mucho mas poderoso. En el wiki de OSM hay instrucciones para usarlo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GvSIG_Valencia_mapping_party_Tutorial02 Saludos Rodrigo 2012/12/22 Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.com Buenos Días Mi nombre es Alexander Camargo, resido en el Municipio de Chinácota Norte de Santander, desde el año 2010 vengo siguiendo de cerca el proyecto de openstreetmap.org lo cual me parece un proyecto estupendo y con mucho futuro por lo cual he decidido que quiero colaborar con el proyecto de OSM y a su vez colaborar con el municipio de Chinácota con la correcta representación actualizado del mapa geográfico en OSM. Sobre Chinácota para los que no lo conocen es un municipio de Colombia ubicado en Norte de Santander, fundado en 1535, actualmente posee una población de más de 15.000 habitantes, tiene una temperatura de 22ºC con una altitud de 1230 msnm y dista de Cúcuta a 40km y de Pamplona una distancia similar, www.chinacota.com para más ilustración. En el momento les comento que mis recursos para colaborar son: un equipo gps Garmin Etrex-20, mi auto, mi bicicleta y muchas ganas de cooperar en
Re: [Talk-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 54, Envío 1
buenas tardes: hace algun tiempo estoy suscrito pero nunca he podido colaborar en forma con el mapeo, hice esta pregunta cuando entre a la listay reitero como ofrecimiento, dispongo de un gran numero de posiciones gps enviadas por vehiculos en movimiento y puedo ponerlas a disposicion de quien quiera y pueda utilizarlas para correcciones de vias y carreteras si es necesario puedo generar reportes por sectores( no todos los sectores estan cubiertos pero si muchos) con un numero determinado de puntos a determinar. Esos reportes yo los utilizo para las correcciones de mis propios mapas pero no dispongo el tiempo para subirlos yo mismo ( y el conocimiento) los reportes son totalmente anonimos solo latitud y longitud y son generados internamente de modo que puedo ponerlos de manera totalmente libre a disposicion del grupo Saludos Leonel Parra 2013/1/7 Igor TAmara i...@tamarapatino.org Hola, en cuanto a las vías y los desfases, a medida que se suban más trazas gpx, es posible que podamos tener más exactitud, lo que en este momento es posiblemente más valioso es los detalles que puedas colocar como puestos de salud, gasolineras, restaurantes, tiendas y todo aquello que pueda ser relevante como teléfonos, droguerías para que una persona que vaya viajando pueda acceder a estos sitios en caso de alguna necesidad. Así superamos cualquier otro mapa. JOSM es super valioso, así que no te preocupes, porque no hay errores que no sean corregibles ;) El 4 de enero de 2013 23:04, Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.com escribió: Estimados Rodrigoo y Fulton Ante todo un feliz año para todos y que este 2013 sea de mucho crecimiento personal. Este año lo comencé editando algunas zonas del municipio en el editor potlach, pueden ver los cambios en http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chinacota .En el momento me encuentro analizando el editor JOSM, indudablemente se ve mas completo y profesional y definitivamente estudiaré los tutoriales para dominar el software, editar en potlach es como para cambios mínimos y no para largos ratos de edición y de mayor complejidad. Pude resolver lo del problema del archivo GPX, como estaba aprendiendo a manejar el etrex 20 pues me había confundido y el archivo que subía no tenia las hora y fecha y por el eso el sistema lo rechazaba. Les comento que hoy hice un viaje en bus desde chinácota hasta cúcuta y me sucedieron dos cosas curiosas, en la mañana note que el desplazamiento que estaba haciendo en ese momento se marcaba un poco más allá en el gps que el de la carretera (mapa actual) noté algunos desfases en curvas, en otros coincidía perfectamente, ya de regreso note que se corrigieron los errores que había visto no obstante vi algunos detalles en curvas por corregir pero tengo la duda si es que la señal en ese momento de la mañana estaba un poco retardada y por la velocidad del bus estaba graficando mal, pienso yo no sé este viaje se debería hacer en un automóvil a mas baja velocidad para que se marquen las coordenadas correctas y proceder a corregir los errores de mapeo en la carretera actual. Buenas Noches. El 4 de enero de 2013 14:02, talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.orgescribió: Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-co a talk-co@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-co-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-co digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: Presentación nuevo usuario (Rodrigo Castiblanco) 2. Re: Problema con subida gpx (Fulton Mercado) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:17:47 -0500 From: Rodrigo Castiblanco rcas...@gmail.com To: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Presentación nuevo usuario Message-ID: CAC3QoEHotSvoti3Wcz5hef+x7DT= lhy_qwypusijm9qte9t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hola Alexander Bienvenido a OSM! Tus aportes sin duda seran muy valiosos. Personlamente te recomiendo usar JOSM para editar los mapas: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Es%3AWikiStart Puede ser menos intuitivo qu potlach, pero es mucho mas poderoso. En el wiki de OSM hay instrucciones para usarlo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GvSIG_Valencia_mapping_party_Tutorial02 Saludos Rodrigo 2012/12/22 Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.com Buenos Días Mi nombre es
[Talk-co] Vía entre Cereté y Ciénaga de Oro
Hola, recientemente estuve cerca a Montería y tuve oportunidad de ver una doble calzada super buena entre Montería y Cereté, sospecho que tal vía continúa hacia Ciénaga de Oro, un poco más al oriente y el Norte, no se si tal vía está tan buena como doble calzada hacia Sincelejo, tuve la oportunidad de ver que hay varios maperos por Montería, lo cual es muy, muy interesante :) http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=14lat=8.88488lon=-75.79002layers=B00FFTT En especial en Sincelejo hace falta también colocar nombres a vías. Espero en unos días poner a botika a que haga de nuevo correcciones de vías de nuevo. Es súper ver el país con mejor infraestructura de vías y es ideal tenerla bien mapeadita. Mucho ánimo en este 2.013 :) ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-co] Datos automatizados y permisos para subir puntos
Hola, es bien interesante poder añadir puntos que puedan conformar vías en el país, el ofrecimiento de Leonel luce interesante y habría que tener en cuenta: 1. El permiso explícito para usar tales puntos, creo que en principio lo que ofrece Leonel no tendría inconveniente, por que serían trazas que serían ofrecidas por él. Alguien ve inconveniente para usar los datos de la forma como lo está indicando Leonel? Yo en principio no veo problema. 2. Asegurarnos que los datos tienen un orden cronológico para poderlos incluir adecuadamente. Creo que vale sobre todo en vías nuevas, aquellas que ya existan requeriría verse la precisión de los dispositivos, así como la periodicidad de los puntos para asegurar que se conforma una vía. 2.a. A partir de unos puntos sin marcas de fecha, es muy, muy complicado deducir cuál sería la vía correcta. Si los puntos tomados son demasiado lejanos en tiempo y dependiendo de la velocidad de los vehículos, habría muy baja precisión. Habría que identificar zonas en las cuales hay vias por las cuales transitan vehículos y que todavía no están incluídas en OSM, y eso creo que requeriría intervención humana. Para salvar los inconvenientes técnicos, necesitaríamos tal vez proyectar los puntos sobre algún mapa, y para tal efecto sería necesario que Leonel si a bien lo tiene nos indicara en qué formato puede poner a disposición los puntos para poder hacer el análisis sobre los mismos. Si puedes compartirnos un archivo sería súper, con eso podemos ver si es posible proyectarlos. Si no tienen marca de fecha y hora con latitud y longitud, creo que no será viable hacer el importe, si lo tienen, podemos mirar a ver si es posible. Gracias. ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] posiciones gps Leonel
Buen dia Leonel, Dicen que el camino al infierno esta tapizado de buenas intenciones, esta sera la mia. Si te parece enviame una muestra de la informacion, preferiblemente de sectores distintos y ojala que tu conozcas, a ver si podemos generar los gpx y subirlos. Asi queda mas facil para entre todos darle un buen empujon a esto. Saludos, Fulton Mercado De: leonel parra leoparr...@gmail.com Para: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Enviado: Lunes, 7 de enero, 2013 12:33 P.M. Asunto: Re: [Talk-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 54, Envío 1 buenas tardes: hace algun tiempo estoy suscrito pero nunca he podido colaborar en forma con el mapeo, hice esta pregunta cuando entre a la listay reitero como ofrecimiento, dispongo de un gran numero de posiciones gps enviadas por vehiculos en movimiento y puedo ponerlas a disposicion de quien quiera y pueda utilizarlas para correcciones de vias y carreteras si es necesario puedo generar reportes por sectores( no todos los sectores estan cubiertos pero si muchos) con un numero determinado de puntos a determinar. Esos reportes yo los utilizo para las correcciones de mis propios mapas pero no dispongo el tiempo para subirlos yo mismo ( y el conocimiento) los reportes son totalmente anonimos solo latitud y longitud y son generados internamente de modo que puedo ponerlos de manera totalmente libre a disposicion del grupo Saludos Leonel Parra 2013/1/7 Igor TAmara i...@tamarapatino.org Hola, en cuanto a las vías y los desfases, a medida que se suban más trazas gpx, es posible que podamos tener más exactitud, lo que en este momento es posiblemente más valioso es los detalles que puedas colocar como puestos de salud, gasolineras, restaurantes, tiendas y todo aquello que pueda ser relevante como teléfonos, droguerías para que una persona que vaya viajando pueda acceder a estos sitios en caso de alguna necesidad. Así superamos cualquier otro mapa. JOSM es super valioso, así que no te preocupes, porque no hay errores que no sean corregibles ;) El 4 de enero de 2013 23:04, Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.com escribió: Estimados Rodrigoo y Fulton Ante todo un feliz año para todos y que este 2013 sea de mucho crecimiento personal. Este año lo comencé editando algunas zonas del municipio en el editor potlach, pueden ver los cambios en http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chinacota .En el momento me encuentro analizando el editor JOSM, indudablemente se ve mas completo y profesional y definitivamente estudiaré los tutoriales para dominar el software, editar en potlach es como para cambios mínimos y no para largos ratos de edición y de mayor complejidad. Pude resolver lo del problema del archivo GPX, como estaba aprendiendo a manejar el etrex 20 pues me había confundido y el archivo que subía no tenia las hora y fecha y por el eso el sistema lo rechazaba. Les comento que hoy hice un viaje en bus desde chinácota hasta cúcuta y me sucedieron dos cosas curiosas, en la mañana note que el desplazamiento que estaba haciendo en ese momento se marcaba un poco más allá en el gps que el de la carretera (mapa actual) noté algunos desfases en curvas, en otros coincidía perfectamente, ya de regreso note que se corrigieron los errores que había visto no obstante vi algunos detalles en curvas por corregir pero tengo la duda si es que la señal en ese momento de la mañana estaba un poco retardada y por la velocidad del bus estaba graficando mal, pienso yo no sé este viaje se debería hacer en un automóvil a mas baja velocidad para que se marquen las coordenadas correctas y proceder a corregir los errores de mapeo en la carretera actual. Buenas Noches. El 4 de enero de 2013 14:02, talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org escribió: Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-co a talk-co@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-co-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-co digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: Presentación nuevo usuario (Rodrigo Castiblanco) 2. Re: Problema con subida gpx (Fulton Mercado) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:17:47 -0500 From: Rodrigo Castiblanco rcas...@gmail.com To: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Presentación nuevo usuario Message-ID:
Re: [Talk-co] posiciones gps Leonel
Hola Fulton hace un rato le envie a igor una muestra del serctor entre Cerete y Cienaga de oro aqui te lo envio en formato csv tiene la posicion, eid del movil que genero la posicion y la fecha de la gps, espero sirva de algo de ser asime cuentas que sectores son necesarios y lso envio saludos Leonel 2013/1/7 Fulton Mercado f_merc...@yahoo.com Buen dia Leonel, Dicen que el camino al infierno esta tapizado de buenas intenciones, esta sera la mia. Si te parece enviame una muestra de la informacion, preferiblemente de sectores distintos y ojala que tu conozcas, a ver si podemos generar los gpx y subirlos. Asi queda mas facil para entre todos darle un buen empujon a esto. Saludos, Fulton Mercado -- *De:* leonel parra leoparr...@gmail.com *Para:* OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org *Enviado:* Lunes, 7 de enero, 2013 12:33 P.M. *Asunto:* Re: [Talk-co] Resumen de Talk-co, Vol 54, Envío 1 buenas tardes: hace algun tiempo estoy suscrito pero nunca he podido colaborar en forma con el mapeo, hice esta pregunta cuando entre a la listay reitero como ofrecimiento, dispongo de un gran numero de posiciones gps enviadas por vehiculos en movimiento y puedo ponerlas a disposicion de quien quiera y pueda utilizarlas para correcciones de vias y carreteras si es necesario puedo generar reportes por sectores( no todos los sectores estan cubiertos pero si muchos) con un numero determinado de puntos a determinar. Esos reportes yo los utilizo para las correcciones de mis propios mapas pero no dispongo el tiempo para subirlos yo mismo ( y el conocimiento) los reportes son totalmente anonimos solo latitud y longitud y son generados internamente de modo que puedo ponerlos de manera totalmente libre a disposicion del grupo Saludos Leonel Parra 2013/1/7 Igor TAmara i...@tamarapatino.org Hola, en cuanto a las vías y los desfases, a medida que se suban más trazas gpx, es posible que podamos tener más exactitud, lo que en este momento es posiblemente más valioso es los detalles que puedas colocar como puestos de salud, gasolineras, restaurantes, tiendas y todo aquello que pueda ser relevante como teléfonos, droguerías para que una persona que vaya viajando pueda acceder a estos sitios en caso de alguna necesidad. Así superamos cualquier otro mapa. JOSM es super valioso, así que no te preocupes, porque no hay errores que no sean corregibles ;) El 4 de enero de 2013 23:04, Información Chinacota.com i...@chinacota.com escribió: Estimados Rodrigoo y Fulton Ante todo un feliz año para todos y que este 2013 sea de mucho crecimiento personal. Este año lo comencé editando algunas zonas del municipio en el editor potlach, pueden ver los cambios en http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chinacota .En el momento me encuentro analizando el editor JOSM, indudablemente se ve mas completo y profesional y definitivamente estudiaré los tutoriales para dominar el software, editar en potlach es como para cambios mínimos y no para largos ratos de edición y de mayor complejidad. Pude resolver lo del problema del archivo GPX, como estaba aprendiendo a manejar el etrex 20 pues me había confundido y el archivo que subía no tenia las hora y fecha y por el eso el sistema lo rechazaba. Les comento que hoy hice un viaje en bus desde chinácota hasta cúcuta y me sucedieron dos cosas curiosas, en la mañana note que el desplazamiento que estaba haciendo en ese momento se marcaba un poco más allá en el gps que el de la carretera (mapa actual) noté algunos desfases en curvas, en otros coincidía perfectamente, ya de regreso note que se corrigieron los errores que había visto no obstante vi algunos detalles en curvas por corregir pero tengo la duda si es que la señal en ese momento de la mañana estaba un poco retardada y por la velocidad del bus estaba graficando mal, pienso yo no sé este viaje se debería hacer en un automóvil a mas baja velocidad para que se marquen las coordenadas correctas y proceder a corregir los errores de mapeo en la carretera actual. Buenas Noches. El 4 de enero de 2013 14:02, talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org escribió: Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-co a talk-co@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-co-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-co-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-co digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: Presentación nuevo usuario (Rodrigo
[Talk-co] Ciudad ficticia en google Colombia (Curiosidad)
Hola He encontrado que Google en su capa de mapmaker tiene una ciudad ficticia en Colombia donde realmente es una zona desertica [0] Dejo una captura de pantalla por aquí [1] el mapa de google también ha incorporado algunos sitios en su mapa oficial. [0] http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.13136lat=3.44456zoom=15 [1] https://www.dropbox.com/lightbox/home/Photos?select=ficticia.jpg -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-dk] revert
hvodan kan jeg fjerne mine bidrag til OSM, da de åbenbart ikke duer, ifgl en mail jeg har fået fra kurt toft? ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-dk] tak for denne gang
Forlader osmmiljøet, da jeg ikke duer ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] tak for denne gang
Hej Anders Det vil da være synd. Nu ved jeg ikke lige hvad Toft har skrevet til dig, eller hvad han mener du helt precist har gjort forkert, eftersom han ikke har postet det på listen her. Bliv endelig ikke slået ned af det, alle kan lave fejl. Som jeg lige læser det, lyder det ikke til, at du vil lave hærværk eller andet skidt -- så lad være me at trække dig tilbage af den grund. Vi er her da også for at hjælpe. Att. Toft, det vill være rart at få en kommentar for dig og denne situation. 2013/1/7 Anders Lund and...@alweb.dk: Forlader osmmiljøet, da jeg ikke duer ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Fugro luftfotos på sydfyn, vest for Svendborg
7. jan. 2013 11.46 skrev Kristian Krægpøth k.kragp...@gmail.com: Sådan som jeg har opfattet omtalen af Geodatastyrelsens frigivelse af data vil det være muligt at masseimportere bl.a. bygninger til OSM. Hvis det er rigtigt opfattet må det være at foretrække frem for at tegne efter diverse luftfoto uanset om det er Fugro eller Geodatastyrelsens foto. Det er helt sikkert at foretrække, som jeg har nævnt tidligere på listen her, så er der milevid forskel på nøjagtigheden af de fotogrammetrisk registrerede data (fra såkaldte stereobilleder) og registreringer foretaget på ortofotos. Selv med meget dygtige professionelle operatører vil nøjagtigheden være bedre. Estimeret nøjagtighed x,y på f.eks. Fugros ortofoto vil være omkring en billængde (på grund af orienteringen af billedernes beskaffenhed er der områder hvor det er meget værre) - på FOT-dataene vil registreringsnøjagtigheden i X,Y-planet være omkring 10-20 centimeter og i Z omkring 20-30 centimeter... Mvh Gregers ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] tak for denne gang
Det må så være gået direkte til Anders, da der ikke er noget i arkivet: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2013-January/date.html mvh Uffe Kousgaard Toft, Kurt Forbech wrote: Hej Nick I dag kl 11,10 skrev jeg et indlæg til Anders her på denne liste. ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] tak for denne gang
Nej, jeg har ikke lavet hærværk eller noget der ligner. Jeg er bare en uvidende idiot. Mandag den 7. januar 2013 11:59:11 skrev Anders Lund: Forlader osmmiljøet, da jeg ikke duer ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] tak for denne gang
On 07/01/2013 14:56, Soren Johannessen wrote: Det er vel ikke et af disse her steder i Danmark, hvor Microsoft Bing Maps har nyere indhold ( fra år 2008-2012 forskellige steder i Danmark) og Anders evt har indtegnet der fra? Jeg har selv set masser af steder hvor der blevet bygget nyt siden Fugro (2005) og hvor Microsoft Bing har de nye bygninger med i luftfoto Se fx denne her bygning http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/185123458 Ej med på Fugro men med på Bing Maps Jeg har set lidt på dine bygninger det angivne sted. Hvorfra stammer disse bygninger, da de slet ikke passer med FUGRO ??? For en oversigt over den aktuelle Bing dækning se http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=55.972145077527074lon=10.814196812519544zoom=7 Bing luftfoto er de fleste steder af meget bedre kvalitet end Fugro (også bedre præcision sammenlignet med gps data). Der hvor jeg har tjekket er Bing data fra juni 2010 eller senere. Der er sket meget i DK i de fem år siden fugro (bygninger, veje etc). Efter sigende har Microsoft været over hele Danmark med fotofly sidste år, så mon ikke der snart kommer mere Bing luftfoto? Ole Nielsen ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 list of tasks
I'd like to help on what was deemed the hardest task: *Sponsor package programme and promotion (maybe split into global/national/local) and Sponsor Exhibits* I think that combined with Andy R we know a fair whack of the geo type companies in the UK and we can come up with other related areas to try and tap up. Cheers, Stuart ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
El 7 de enero de 2013 08:50, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.esescribió: On Viernes, 4 de enero de 2013 13:26:45 Javier Fernández Arroyo escribió: estoy usando el editor web, todavía no he probado JOSM, aunque me lo he descargado... Un +1 para animarte a usar JOSM. La curva de aprendizaje es un poco más inclinada al principio, pero merece la pena invertir un par de horas en la aplicación, porque luego todo es mucho más fácil, -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
me la bajaré, y a ver qué pasa... Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:41:40 +0100 From: jy...@jynus.com To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra El 7 de enero de 2013 08:50, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es escribió: On Viernes, 4 de enero de 2013 13:26:45 Javier Fernández Arroyo escribió: estoy usando el editor web, todavía no he probado JOSM, aunque me lo he descargado... Un +1 para animarte a usar JOSM. La curva de aprendizaje es un poco más inclinada al principio, pero merece la pena invertir un par de horas en la aplicación, porque luego todo es mucho más fácil, -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
la primera (segunda, en realidad) impresión no es buena, pero bueno démosle un tiempo a ver eso de que se superponga el mapa de OSM sobre un mapa real y puedas ver lo que marcas me encanta del cliente web ¿se puede hacer lo mismo con JOSM? From: jfarroy...@hotmail.com To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:03:28 + Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra me la bajaré, y a ver qué pasa... Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:41:40 +0100 From: jy...@jynus.com To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra El 7 de enero de 2013 08:50, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es escribió: On Viernes, 4 de enero de 2013 13:26:45 Javier Fernández Arroyo escribió: estoy usando el editor web, todavía no he probado JOSM, aunque me lo he descargado... Un +1 para animarte a usar JOSM. La curva de aprendizaje es un poco más inclinada al principio, pero merece la pena invertir un par de horas en la aplicación, porque luego todo es mucho más fácil, -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
por supuesto, hasta puedes escoger y configurar el servicio de imagen WMS que prefieras dale tiempo 2013/1/7 Javier Fernández Arroyo jfarroy...@hotmail.com la primera (segunda, en realidad) impresión no es buena, pero bueno démosle un tiempo a ver eso de que se superponga el mapa de OSM sobre un mapa real y puedas ver lo que marcas me encanta del cliente web ¿se puede hacer lo mismo con JOSM? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
ajá, con esta vista es otra historia! From: jan.esque...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:22:01 +0100 To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra por supuesto, hasta puedes escoger y configurar el servicio de imagen WMS que prefieras dale tiempo 2013/1/7 Javier Fernández Arroyo jfarroy...@hotmail.com la primera (segunda, en realidad) impresión no es buena, pero bueno démosle un tiempo a ver eso de que se superponga el mapa de OSM sobre un mapa real y puedas ver lo que marcas me encanta del cliente web ¿se puede hacer lo mismo con JOSM? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Duda sobre etiquetado (excesivo en mi opinión) para vías
access = yes bicycle = yes cycleway = no foot = yes horse = yes motor_vehicle = yes oneway = no estoy con Manuel, cuanta mas detallada sea la info que metemos mejor, lo de por defecto es un convenio para las prisas a la larga es mucho mas difícil acordarse de todos los por defectos que tagear todo lo que uno ve. (y que pasa si se cambia el criterio del por defecto, pues que se pierde información válida). - lo que es redundante es access=yes + bycicle, foot, horse, motor_vehicle... =yes access=yes ya significa que no hay restricciones la combinación sería valida si quisiéramos decir que no hay acceso excepto para bycicle, foot, horse y motor_vehicle en ese caso sería access=no + bycicle, foot, horse, motor_vehicle... =yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access - lo que yo no veo redundante es la combinación en la misma vía de: bicycle=yes cycleway=no significa que por la vía en cuestión pueden circular bicicletas pero que no tienen un carril o señalización específica un carril bici (cycleway=*) sí es un tag y puede ser independiente de la vía si tiene una separación física. ésta se mapearía como otra vía independiente. o puede estar integrado en la vía que también vale para otros vehículos. en este caso se mapearía con una sola vía, tal y como sea el caso, que hay muchos: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycleway - oneway=no nunca lo quitaría significa que está comprobado que esa vía es de dos sentidos aunque si no lo lleva se sobreentienda. es un por defecto. Sí hay que usarlo cuando una rampa de acceso a autovía, por ejemplo, es de doble dirección ya que por defecto éstas son de un solo sentido. en definitiva los por defecto son un petardo, yo los eliminaría todos. s.___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
2013/1/7 Javier Fernández Arroyo jfarroy...@hotmail.com la primera (segunda, en realidad) impresión no es buena, pero bueno démosle un tiempo a ver eso de que se superponga el mapa de OSM sobre un mapa real y puedas ver lo que marcas me encanta del cliente web ¿se puede hacer lo mismo con JOSM? Usando Bing con JOSM y filtros: http://imgur.com/a/lC998 ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Crear una calle partiendo de otra
ajá, con esta vista es otra historia! -- From: jan.esque...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:22:01 +0100 Parece que a descubierto la mejor vista , un pequeño tip Pulsa F3 ecribe el tap que buscas ;) Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Edificios base distinto a planta
Buenas lista Como dibujar un edificio con el cual la base es mas pequeña y distinta a lo que es la mayor parte del edificio siendo mas grande y distinta pequeña recreación grafica |===| |===| |===| |== / \=/ Me refiero a estes edificios http://goo.gl/maps/EZjIc Se puedes apreciar que es un caso raro con el cual se puede generar un pequeño debate *~ Un saludo cordial de Manuel ~* * *Mi sitio si te interesa mas información visita* El blog relacionado con linux # http://www.picholeiro.info . Mi servidor # http://servidor.picholeiro.info . ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Edificios base distinto a planta
El día 7 de enero de 2013 18:26, Picholeiro i...@picholeiro.info escribió: Como dibujar un edificio con el cual la base es mas pequeña y distinta a lo que es la mayor parte del edificio siendo mas grande y distinta pequeña recreación grafica Si no te quieres liar mucho la cabeza, y sólo quieres el 2D, representa la parte más grande y como mucho pon el camino como un tunnel o como covered=yes. Si quieres 3d, probablementee esto te funcionaría: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Minlevel.svg -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [catastro] Previo de CAT2OSM2: Madrid en 5 minutos (!)
Llevo bastante tiempo sin participar en la lista pero este tema me resulta bastante interesante. Como he podido ver en la wiki y los comentarios, sé que es una cuestión ya muy trabajada, pero ¿me podría decir alguien en pocas palabras, qué es lo que se puede y lo que no se puede hacer con Catastro? ¿Hay alguien que se encargue de Córdoba? ¿Alguna presentación?** ** ** Ahora mismo con catastro solo se pueden importar ejes. Estamos puliendo los puntos más negros que nos puesto el Data Working Group (reducir el número de relaciones y geometrías) y vamos a volver a intentar que nos den permiso. ** He editado poco en OSM, más por falta de tiempo que por falta de interés. De todas formas, estaría dispuesto a incorporar los datos catastrales a mi zona (Córdoba y Provincia) o incluso plantear una sesión de trabajo en el grupo de Geoinquietos de Córdoba. ** Por el momento nadie se he mostrado interesado en trabajar sobre la provincia de Córdoba cuando esté lista la plataforma: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/C%C3%B3rdoba Si no me acuerdo mal, las claves de los usuarios para realizar los imports las tiene Jynus (jynus at jynus.com). Por lo que yo se hasta el momento lo que se está haciendo es importando los nombres de ejes de algunas zonas y arreglando cosas que estarán superpuestas cuando subamos los edificios (poniendo la capa de catastro por debajo). Si más animaros a probar la herramienta y de hacer comentarios sobre las incidencias que detecteis por la zona por si se puede mejorar algo. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [catastro] Previo de CAT2OSM2: Madrid en 5 minutos (!)
Muchísimas gracias por este regalo de Reyes !! ... y para que os entretengáis ... Repite nodos. Ejemplo de Madrid.osm: node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.213 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.218 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.25 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.251 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.256 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 Cambiando como se ve la fecha. Saludos, El 7 de enero de 2013 19:52, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: Llevo bastante tiempo sin participar en la lista pero este tema me resulta bastante interesante. Como he podido ver en la wiki y los comentarios, sé que es una cuestión ya muy trabajada, pero ¿me podría decir alguien en pocas palabras, qué es lo que se puede y lo que no se puede hacer con Catastro? ¿Hay alguien que se encargue de Córdoba? ¿Alguna presentación? ** Ahora mismo con catastro solo se pueden importar ejes. Estamos puliendo los puntos más negros que nos puesto el Data Working Group (reducir el número de relaciones y geometrías) y vamos a volver a intentar que nos den permiso. ** He editado poco en OSM, más por falta de tiempo que por falta de interés. De todas formas, estaría dispuesto a incorporar los datos catastrales a mi zona (Córdoba y Provincia) o incluso plantear una sesión de trabajo en el grupo de Geoinquietos de Córdoba. ** Por el momento nadie se he mostrado interesado en trabajar sobre la provincia de Córdoba cuando esté lista la plataforma: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/C%C3%B3rdoba Si no me acuerdo mal, las claves de los usuarios para realizar los imports las tiene Jynus (jynus at jynus.com). Por lo que yo se hasta el momento lo que se está haciendo es importando los nombres de ejes de algunas zonas y arreglando cosas que estarán superpuestas cuando subamos los edificios (poniendo la capa de catastro por debajo). Si más animaros a probar la herramienta y de hacer comentarios sobre las incidencias que detecteis por la zona por si se puede mejorar algo. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [catastro] Previo de CAT2OSM2: Madrid en 5 minutos (!)
El fichero completo sí que se abre con un poco de paciencia ([1], [2], [3]), pero en los niveles de zoom superiores se hace imposible de trabajar. Cuando haces un poco de zoom ([3]) entonces ya va bien. Tarda un poco en abrirse eso sí (¿un par de minutillos? no lo he cronometrado). Me pesa unos 5GB en RAM una vez abierto, sin contar la RAM ocupada por el sistema. Esto con un AMD FX-8350http://www.amd.com/es/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/Pages/amdfx.aspx(8 núcleos @4Ghz + RAM rápidahttp://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=41271D99A5CA7304). Lástima que JOSM solo usa un núcleo. [1] http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3259/madridosm.png [2] http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/78/madridosm2.png [3] http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/520/madridosm3.png Gracias por el continuado trabajo. El 7 de enero de 2013 21:20, Miguel Blanco mblan...@gmail.com escribió: Muchísimas gracias por este regalo de Reyes !! ... y para que os entretengáis ... Repite nodos. Ejemplo de Madrid.osm: node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.213 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.218 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.25 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.251 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 node id=-2 timestamp=2013-01-04 14:10:25.256 version=6 lat=40.3557261 lon=-3.6953097 Cambiando como se ve la fecha. Saludos, El 7 de enero de 2013 19:52, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: Llevo bastante tiempo sin participar en la lista pero este tema me resulta bastante interesante. Como he podido ver en la wiki y los comentarios, sé que es una cuestión ya muy trabajada, pero ¿me podría decir alguien en pocas palabras, qué es lo que se puede y lo que no se puede hacer con Catastro? ¿Hay alguien que se encargue de Córdoba? ¿Alguna presentación? ** Ahora mismo con catastro solo se pueden importar ejes. Estamos puliendo los puntos más negros que nos puesto el Data Working Group (reducir el número de relaciones y geometrías) y vamos a volver a intentar que nos den permiso. ** He editado poco en OSM, más por falta de tiempo que por falta de interés. De todas formas, estaría dispuesto a incorporar los datos catastrales a mi zona (Córdoba y Provincia) o incluso plantear una sesión de trabajo en el grupo de Geoinquietos de Córdoba. ** Por el momento nadie se he mostrado interesado en trabajar sobre la provincia de Córdoba cuando esté lista la plataforma: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/C%C3%B3rdoba Si no me acuerdo mal, las claves de los usuarios para realizar los imports las tiene Jynus (jynus at jynus.com). Por lo que yo se hasta el momento lo que se está haciendo es importando los nombres de ejes de algunas zonas y arreglando cosas que estarán superpuestas cuando subamos los edificios (poniendo la capa de catastro por debajo). Si más animaros a probar la herramienta y de hacer comentarios sobre las incidencias que detecteis por la zona por si se puede mejorar algo. -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [catastro] Previo de CAT2OSM2: Madrid en 5 minutos (!)
Pensábamos comprar un equipo como ese para el laboratorio, ¿qué tal va? Esto con un AMD FX-8350http://www.amd.com/es/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/Pages/amdfx.aspx(8 núcleos @4Ghz + RAM rápidahttp://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=41271D99A5CA7304). Lástima que JOSM solo usa un núcleo. [1] http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3259/madridosm.png [2] http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/78/madridosm2.png [3] http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/520/madridosm3.png La verdad es que las imágenes acojonan :S Supongo que para la próxima bajaremos Barcelona :P ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-ca] Fredericton WMS Offset
Nicholas, I have noticed your work adding numerous building footprints in the Fredericton area. It's great to see somebody taking on this large task. It has been my experience that the older Bing imagery was better aligned than the current Bing imagery in the Fredericton area. I have been mapping in the Fredericton area since 2007 and the older Bing imagery aligned nicely with my GPS traces. It is best to align the new Bing Imagery with OSM streets and GPS traces. The misalignment of the Bing imagery varies across the Fredericton area so I would readjust the alignment of the Bing Imagery as you move to new neighborhoods. It is my practice to always adjust the Bing Imagery each time I start a new Potlatch 2 session and readjust when I move to new areas of the Fredericton region. This map I built at arcgis.com may help shed some light on the alignment issue. http://www.arcgis.com/apps/Compare/Configure/index.html?appid=c0f0ca089e23457082e997dceea0061b Cheers, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng bernie.conn...@unb.camailto:bernie.conn...@unb.ca New Maryland, NB From: nicholas ingalls [mailto:nicholas.inga...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2013-01-01 19:23 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Fredericton WMS Offset Hello all, I've been recently drawing all of the buildings in Fredericton in preparation for going around and collecting the addresses. I'd noticed that all the buildings in Fredericton were offset. Naturally I assumed that the original mappers in Fredericton had done this offset on purpose. I recently tested this against GPS traces and found that the offset was incorrect based on the traces I collected. I'm now assuming that this data was traced from the old Yahoo imagery and current users continue to offset the Bing WMS to match the data traced from the Yahoo imagery. I am proposing that we shift the data back to match the Bing WMS and the gps traces. Does anyone else from the Fredericton area have any comments, or can explain the offset? Cheers, ingalls ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Fredericton WMS Offset
If you want to check the accuracy of your GPX files in New Brunswick you can drag and drop them on this map I created at ArcGIS.com: http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=71d0cc7deebd4b359a14ea140d63d6f4 As you zoom in the property lines and civic addresses will be added to the air photo map. All of this data is published the government of New Brunswick (aka me and my co-workers). The accuracy of this data should exceed the accuracy of the consumer grade GPS receiver. You can read more about adding GPX files to this map in the ArcGIS.com help pages: http://resources.arcgis.com/en/help/arcgisonline/#/About_CSV_TXT_and_GPX_files/010q008v00/ In the Fredericton we are displaying the 2008 air photos captured by the City of Fredericton. They are not as current as the Bing Imagery in Potlatch but the alignment is excellent. The City of Fredericton acquired new imagery in 2012 and we will be updating this map as soon as we have the time and resources (some time in 2013). Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Land Information Infrastructure Unit, SNB bernie.conn...@snb.ca -Original Message- From: Andrew Buck [mailto:andrew.r.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2013-01-02 15:59 To: nicholas ingalls Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fredericton WMS Offset Hi, I am not from the area, but I did want to post my 2 cents about this issue. Your idea of how the offset got started sounds correct. I would caution you though that GPS traces can be offset, too, due to atmospheric effects. To really get a good trace with no offset you need to do a few traces on different days of the same road (or path is better since it is narrow) and through an area with few buildings around as these can cause offsets, too. Other than those issues, if you trust your traces then I see no reason not to fix the offset, but as I said make sure your traces are good first. -AndrewBuck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca