date:20170208

Andy, so what is your suggestion right now, do this manually or with 
automated tools? Personally, I only did a few reverts using the JOSM 
plugin, only reverting an entire changeset, not selectively as you seem 
to suggest here. I have no experience with the other tools you mention.


Would the tools you are familiar with allow for a relatively easy 
partial revert, only removing the natural=heath features from all the 
changesets of these users? This might then be the preferred solution. I 
have thought about downloading selections of features of regions via 
Overpass, and than use these to inspect the potentially problematic 
features in JOSM and delete them there. But if there is a better way, 
than that might be the preferred way to go.


Marco


Andy: Is there any chance the DWG could figure out which company these
people are working for, so the company could be contacted about this
specific issue and asked not to add these type of difficult to
identify natural features?


Ha!  While DWG work sometimes does involve a bit of sleuthing (e.g.
finding the author of a problem app when there's nothing to go on in the
changeset info) I think that you may be overestimating our powers here



There are so many changesets involved, I guess doing reverts is almost
impossible, lest one wants to see also more useful stuff being removed
as well, like roads and large and small patches of forest that I also
see being part of these changesets.


I'd tend to agree with that, though the perl revert scripts, which can
"not touch things since edited by other mappers" and "undo changes made
by one particular user in particular changesets" might be userful.



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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Afgesloten weg

2017-02-08 Per discussione Johan C

Hoi Freek,

ik kan je al wel een antwoord geven, maar ik help je denk meer door je te
verwijzen naar het forum:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12
Daar zitten namelijk mensen die, regelmatig veel beter dan ik, weten hoe je
hier mee om kan gaan.

Gr., Johan

Op 8 februari 2017 om 23:01 schreef Freek Dijkstra :

> Vraagje van een noob (dat ben ik),
>
> Ik heb vanochtend een wijziging gemaakt, en vraag me af of ik dat op de
> aanbevolen manier heb gedaan. Het gaat om
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45910956
> De gemeente heeft een wandelpad (een trap) afgesloten met een groot
> hekwerk.
>
> Mijn eerste vraag is hoe ik dat weergeef. Vanzelfsprekend heb ik het pad
> "access=no" meegegeven, maar ik wil ook duidelijk hebben dat er een hek
> dwars over het pad geplaatst is. Dat heb ik nu gedaan met een node op
> het pad, met tag "barrier=fence". Dat laatste lijkt niet aanbevolen,
> alleen ways zouden deze tag horen te krijgen, niet nodes. Hoe zou ik het
> wel moeten doen?
>
> Mijn tweede vraag is of ik de relaties goed heb gezet. Dit weggetje was
> onderdeel van drie wandelpaden. Ik heb met JSOM de relatie van deze
> wegen omgezet naar de aanbevolen route (de gemeente heeft borden
> geplaatst met de tekst "omleiding, hou rekening met 15 seconden extra
> reistijd". Vlakbij snackkiosk "Ed Kroket". Mooier kan je het niet
> krijgen, toch?). Enfin, ik gebruik JOSM zelden, en vroeg me af of ik nog
> rekening had moeten houden met de richting (direction) van de ways. Ik
> heb de lijst van ways wel op goede volgorde gezet, maar ben niet bekend
> genoeg met JOSM of dat afdoende was.
>
> Dank voor de suggesties,
> Freek
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap

2017-02-08 Per discussione Matej Lieskovský

Tak už. Editování házelo nějakou neznámou chybu.

2017-02-08 22:21 GMT+01:00 Marián Kyral :

> Dne 3.2.2017 v 14:36 Matej Lieskovský napsal(a):
>
> Ahoj,
>
> povedlo se mi zařídit něco zajímavého. Cituji:
>
> "IPR Praha souhlasí s využíváním ortofotografií, které poskytuje
> prostřednictvím Geoportálu hl. m. Prahy, za účelem aktualizace a doplňování
> databáze OpenStreetMap, přičemž vzniklá vektorová data smí být vložena do
> OSM pod licencí ODbL za předpokladu, že IPR bude uveden v seznamu
> přispěvatelů do OSM a takto vzniklá data budou mít IPR uveden jako svůj
> zdroj."
>
> Konec citace.
>
> Na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors přidám IPR sám, prosím
> uvádějte k zakreslovaným věcem "source=CZ:IPRPraha:ortofoto", ať jsou na
> IPR spokojeni.
>
>
> Už jsi to tam přidal? Nic tam nevidím ;-)
>
> BTW: zkusil jsem kontaktovat Moravskoslezský kraj, zda by bylo možné
> získat stejný souhlas i pro jejich ortofo (http://geoportal.msk.cz/
> Html5Viewer/?viewer=leteckesnimky)
>
> Marián
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap

2017-02-08 Per discussione r00t


> To je nějaký divný:
> Když ten link "OGC:WMS" zkusím přidat jako WMS do JOSM, tak zařve, že tam 
> žádný vrstvy nevidí :(

Ty odkazy vedou na informacni stranku o mapovem podkladu, vlastni WMS url jsou:
http://mpp.praha.eu/arcgis/services/MAP/mimovegetacni_snimkovani_cache/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities=WMS
http://mpp.praha.eu/arcgis/services/MAP/letecke_snimky_posledni_snimkovani_cache/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities=WMS

(Dole na info strance je potreba kliknou na odkaz "Online zdroje
OGC:WMS-1.3.0-http-get-capabilities" a na te nasledujici strance je nahore
WMS odkaz co uz JOSM pochopi - pridat jako WMS v nastaveni).


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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione ael

On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 02:35:05PM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> 
> I think it's very unlikely, however, that these users are editing OSM for a
> company. Probably the majority of edits in the UK are done by what you might
> call "lone mappers". Generally this works well and people plough their own
> furrows successfully, happily modifying their practice if particular issues
> are pointed out to them. But occasionally we have people who (perhaps
> because of limited social skills) find it difficult to follow established
> practice and co-operate with other contributors.

To be fair to Sam888, when I sent him a private message about "heath"
he replied acknowledging that "moorland" was more accurate than heath.
He said that he had used Bing originally, but after my message had used
streetview to confirm "moorland".

So he was communicating back then (Feb 2016) at least once.

He didn't comment on the fact that I knew the area rather well and had
extensively surveyed with gps and photography

ael




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[OSM-talk-nl] Afgesloten weg

2017-02-08 Per discussione Freek Dijkstra

Vraagje van een noob (dat ben ik),

Ik heb vanochtend een wijziging gemaakt, en vraag me af of ik dat op de
aanbevolen manier heb gedaan. Het gaat om
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45910956
De gemeente heeft een wandelpad (een trap) afgesloten met een groot hekwerk.

Mijn eerste vraag is hoe ik dat weergeef. Vanzelfsprekend heb ik het pad
"access=no" meegegeven, maar ik wil ook duidelijk hebben dat er een hek
dwars over het pad geplaatst is. Dat heb ik nu gedaan met een node op
het pad, met tag "barrier=fence". Dat laatste lijkt niet aanbevolen,
alleen ways zouden deze tag horen te krijgen, niet nodes. Hoe zou ik het
wel moeten doen?

Mijn tweede vraag is of ik de relaties goed heb gezet. Dit weggetje was
onderdeel van drie wandelpaden. Ik heb met JSOM de relatie van deze
wegen omgezet naar de aanbevolen route (de gemeente heeft borden
geplaatst met de tekst "omleiding, hou rekening met 15 seconden extra
reistijd". Vlakbij snackkiosk "Ed Kroket". Mooier kan je het niet
krijgen, toch?). Enfin, ik gebruik JOSM zelden, en vroeg me af of ik nog
rekening had moeten houden met de richting (direction) van de ways. Ik
heb de lijst van ways wel op goede volgorde gezet, maar ben niet bekend
genoeg met JOSM of dat afdoende was.

Dank voor de suggesties,
Freek

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap

2017-02-08 Per discussione Jan Martinec

Ahoj,

To je nějaký divný:
Když ten link "OGC:WMS" zkusím přidat jako WMS do JOSM, tak zařve, že tam
žádný vrstvy nevidí :(

Kde dělám chybu? (Lezu z IP mimo jakoukoli veřejnou správu - ze by?)

HPM

Dne 4. 2. 2017 10:19 napsal uživatel "Jethro" :

> Zdar,
> dá se to přidat jako WMS:
> Mimovegetační: http://www.geoportalpraha.cz/cs/fulltext_geoportal?id=%
> 7BD60CC053-C1FB-4DEE-B4FE-88ECE6EC1ECC%7D#.WJWbmlcSvew
> Vegetační: http://www.geoportalpraha.cz/cs/fulltext_geoportal?id=%
> 7B58140CC2-6E2D-49D6-BD67-A24243DF4718%7D#.WJWbhlcSvew
> MSF
> Jethro
>
> 2017-02-04 9:33 GMT+01:00 Zdeněk Pražák :
> > bylo by možné doplnit nabídku této vrstvy do mapových podkladů
> nabízených v
> > JOSM?
> >
> > Pražák
> >
> > Dne 3. února 2017 14:36 Matej Lieskovský 
> > napsal(a):
> >>
> >> Ahoj,
> >>
> >> povedlo se mi zařídit něco zajímavého. Cituji:
> >>
> >> "IPR Praha souhlasí s využíváním ortofotografií, které poskytuje
> >> prostřednictvím Geoportálu hl. m. Prahy, za účelem aktualizace a
> doplňování
> >> databáze OpenStreetMap, přičemž vzniklá vektorová data smí být vložena
> do
> >> OSM pod licencí ODbL za předpokladu, že IPR bude uveden v seznamu
> >> přispěvatelů do OSM a takto vzniklá data budou mít IPR uveden jako svůj
> >> zdroj."
> >>
> >> Konec citace.
> >>
> >> Na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors přidám IPR sám,
> prosím
> >> uvádějte k zakreslovaným věcem "source=CZ:IPRPraha:ortofoto", ať jsou
> na IPR
> >> spokojeni.
> >>
> >> Rád bych poděkoval Jethrovi, který mi pomáhal formulovat maily.
> >>
> >> S pozdravem,
> >> Matej Lieskovský
> >>
> >> PS: Přeposílám emailovou konverzaci
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: Baron Bohdan Mgr. (IPR/SPI) 
> >> Date: 2017-02-03 12:16 GMT+01:00
> >> Subject: RE: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap
> >> To: Matej Lieskovský 
> >>
> >>
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> omlouvam se za pozdejsi odpoved, ale mel jsem toho pomerne hodne k
> reseni.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> IPR Praha souhlasí s využíváním ortofotografií, které poskytuje
> >> prostřednictvím Geoportálu hl. m. Prahy, za účelem aktualizace a
> doplňování
> >> databáze OpenStreetMap, přičemž vzniklá vektorová data smí být vložena
> do
> >> OSM pod licencí ODbL za předpokladu, že IPR bude uveden v seznamu
> >> přispěvatelů do OSM a takto vzniklá data budou mít IPR uveden jako svůj
> >> zdroj.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> S pozdravem
> >>
> >> Bohdan Baron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Matej Lieskovský [mailto:lieskovsky.ma...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> To: Baron Bohdan Mgr. (IPR/SPI) 
> >> Subject: Re: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dobrý den,
> >> zatím jsem nedostal žádnou odpověď na můj předchozí email. Dostal jste
> >> jej?
> >> Opět prosím o zaslání toho souhlasu, ať můžeme začít doplňovat.
> >> S pozdravem,
> >> Matej Lieskovský
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-01-25 10:58 GMT+01:00 Matej Lieskovský  >:
> >>
> >> Dobrý den,
> >> pokud Vám to nevadí, asi by bylo lepší poslat tu větu samostatně, ať je
> to
> >> jednoznačné.
> >> Statistiky dodáme.
> >> S pozdravem
> >> Matej Lieskovský
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-01-25 10:15 GMT+01:00 Baron Bohdan Mgr. (IPR/SPI)
> >> :
> >>
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> s timto postupem urcite souhlasime a urcite s timto nemame absolutne
> zadny
> >> problem. Obdobne jsme uz s ortofoto postupovali i u jinych subjektu.
> Mam Vam
> >> prosim tedy zaslat Vami zminenou vetu v samostatnem mailu nebo staci,
> ze Vam
> >> odsouhlasim Vam,i zminene zneni v tomto mailu?
> >>
> >> Ten vycet je urcite zajimavy. Jednou za rok by nas to trosku i z
> >> profesniho hledika zajimalo. :-)
> >>
> >> S pozdravem
> >>
> >> Bohdan Baron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Matej Lieskovský [mailto:lieskovsky.ma...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> To: Baron Bohdan Mgr. (IPR/SPI) 
> >> Subject: Re: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dobrý den,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> souhlas s použitím pro aktualizaci OSM nám naprosto stačí. Licence u
> >> Vašich originálních dat (tedy ortofotek) se vůbec nebude měnit,
> potřebujeme
> >> pouze souhlas s tím, že vektorová data, která za pomoci Vašich
> >> ortofotografií vytvoříme a přidáme do OSM, smí být šířena pod licencí
> ODbL,
> >> pod kterou spadá celá OSM. ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/
> licenses/odbl/)
> >> je licence v mnoha ohledech podobná CC BY-SA (OSM také původně CC BY-SA
> >> používala) ale je více zaměřená na použití pro databáze (CC BY-SA je
> spíše
> >> zaměřená na text, fotky, audionahrávky a videa). ODbL dovoluje data
> šířit,
> >> adaptovat a vytvářet odvozená díla za předpokladu, že je zachována
> >> otevřenost dat, stejná licence a uveden autor. Vzhledem k tomu, že OSM
> >> obsahuje data od velkého

Re: [Talk-it] Utente Fredie e modifiche grossolane

2017-02-08 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

sent from a phone

sono d'accordo che i "crop" sono problemataci, mentre le geometrie dei singoli 
campi sono molto utili in quanto descrivono il terreno (storia, cultura, 
topografia/morfologia)

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 10:44, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Del resto penso che una richiesta di revert ufficiale sia di obbligo se ha 
> utilizzato dati Google. Abbiamo una prova per questo?

si, in questo caso si dovrebbe fare una "redaction", non solo un revert.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Galerie užití OSM v ČR (Was: OSM na oficiálních mapách v ulicích Brna)

2017-02-08 Per discussione Pavel Bokr

Diky za dalsi tipy, neco bych tam dal, ale ted zrovna moc nestiham a na tohle 
se budu muset vice podivat jak/co tam dat. Kouknu o vikendu.

Pavel Bokr

From: Jan Macura 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:22 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: [Talk-cz] Galerie užití OSM v ČR (Was: OSM na oficiálních mapách v 
ulicích Brna)

Ahoj,

četl jsem teď galerii použití OSM v českém prostředí a jestli, Pavle, tam chceš 
něco přidat, tak:

  a.. Systém Zelených map používá jako podklad OSM (AFAIK je to vlastní 
render), a to jak v tištěné, tak v digitální podobě. Plzně: 
http://zelenamapa.plzne.cz/mapa/ Prahy: http://zelenamapa.cz/
  a.. Do analýz můžeš přidal OpenTransportNet, protože na tom dělají i Plzeňáci.

H.

2017-02-06 19:30 GMT+01:00 Pavel Bokr :

  Mapu jsem pridal do galerie na osmap.cz - podle me takovehle priklady vyuziti 
uricte potrebujeme:

  https://openstreetmap.cz/galerie

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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Andy Townsend


On 08/02/2017 21:46, Brian Prangle wrote:


Might we tackle this task under the general heading either of "landuse 
fixes" or "uplands" as our next quarterly project?


I thought that was going to be to survey all those "Pokemon parks" :)

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

I came across glucosamine during the farmyards quarterly projectwhere
she/he'd tagged place=farm to every group of isolated buildings all over
Herefordshire. I think he/she means well just misinterprets tagging
conventions and then rolls on regardless.

Might we tackle this task under the general heading either of "landuse
fixes" or "uplands" as our next quarterly project? That gives us some time
to discuss approaches, conventions , progress tools etc so that we can hit
the ground running so to speak on day 1

Regards

Brian

On 8 February 2017 at 21:35, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

> Marco Boeringa wrote:
> > There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific, leave almost
> > no changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day. It seems
> > to me these are editors working professionally for some OSM
> > related company.
>
> Thanks for the detective work and for persisting with this.
>
> I think it's very unlikely, however, that these users are editing OSM for a
> company. Probably the majority of edits in the UK are done by what you
> might
> call "lone mappers". Generally this works well and people plough their own
> furrows successfully, happily modifying their practice if particular issues
> are pointed out to them. But occasionally we have people who (perhaps
> because of limited social skills) find it difficult to follow established
> practice and co-operate with other contributors. There have been several
> examples in the past and I'm sure many regulars here will be aware of a few
> of them.
>
> That's what I think we have here. I have no knowledge as to whether
> Glucosamine, Dyserth and Sam888 are the same person or not - it wouldn't
> surprise me either way. But they/he very much fit the "uncommunicative lone
> mapper" model.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst

Marco Boeringa wrote:
> There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific, leave almost 
> no changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day. It seems 
> to me these are editors working professionally for some OSM 
> related company.

Thanks for the detective work and for persisting with this.

I think it's very unlikely, however, that these users are editing OSM for a
company. Probably the majority of edits in the UK are done by what you might
call "lone mappers". Generally this works well and people plough their own
furrows successfully, happily modifying their practice if particular issues
are pointed out to them. But occasionally we have people who (perhaps
because of limited social skills) find it difficult to follow established
practice and co-operate with other contributors. There have been several
examples in the past and I'm sure many regulars here will be aware of a few
of them.

That's what I think we have here. I have no knowledge as to whether
Glucosamine, Dyserth and Sam888 are the same person or not - it wouldn't
surprise me either way. But they/he very much fit the "uncommunicative lone
mapper" model.

cheers
Richard

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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Andy Townsend


On 08/02/2017 20:46, Marco Boeringa wrote:


- Sam888, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/413378224

- Glucosamine: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/405845733

- Dyserth: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/388818928

There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific, leave almost 
no changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day. It seems to me 
these are editors working professionally for some OSM related company.




Whilst anything is possible; I'm not convinced.  They don't have that 
"map all of X following a management edict" style that mappers-for-pay 
tend to have.  The sort of things they map differs from each other, and 
at least one of them readily replies to changeset discussion comments:


http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=2762871
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=1302721
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=1892838

I'm actually pretty sure that they all actually "mean well" and are 
trying to do the right thing, even if (in the first case at least) their 
edits are mostly misguided.


Andy: Is there any chance the DWG could figure out which company these 
people are working for, so the company could be contacted about this 
specific issue and asked not to add these type of difficult to 
identify natural features?




Ha!  While DWG work sometimes does involve a bit of sleuthing (e.g. 
finding the author of a problem app when there's nothing to go on in the 
changeset info) I think that you may be overestimating our powers here :)



There are so many changesets involved, I guess doing reverts is almost 
impossible, lest one wants to see also more useful stuff being removed 
as well, like roads and large and small patches of forest that I also 
see being part of these changesets.


I'd tend to agree with that, though the perl revert scripts, which can 
"not touch things since edited by other mappers" and "undo changes made 
by one particular user in particular changesets" might be userful.




I have the feeling the most offending stuff is primarily the false 
natural=heath. 


... and (in the case of one of those mappers) also tracks.  See the 
discussion on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33841330 .


So maybe it is a better course of action to select the heath features 
in the affected regions in JOSM, and delete only those in a new 
changeset. I think this is by far the easiest solution. Of course, a 
bit of caution and review will be required to not include properly 
digitized heath features by regular OSM users.


Any other ideas?


"nodes last edited by" might be useful too, for example:

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/lN9

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rubriques manquantes de la page «éléments cartographiques»

2017-02-08 Per discussione Philippe Verdy

certaines souspages sont maintenant générées par un outil Javascript qui
consulte une base externe, où certaines traductions n'ont pas été importées
depuis la conversion.
La page de toute façon était devenue non maintenable, ayant dépassé la
taille maximale d'inclusion des modèles.
Cette page qui voudrait présenter tous les tags est impossible à garder en
l'état alors qu'il y a des pages dédiées pour chaque tag et un outil de
recherche. Vouloir tout mettre dans un tableau ça passait il y a encore 2
ans mias plus maintenant.

Le 8 février 2017 à 10:38, Eric Brosselin - Osm  a
écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Je constate que pas mal  de rubriques de la page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Éléments_cartographiques ne
> s'affichent plus.
> À savoir Sport, Tourisme, Waterway , et tous les "Attributs
> supplémentaires".
>
> Les liens des templates sont bien dans le code et s'affichent d'ailleurs
> tels quels.
> J'ai regardé sur d'autres versions de cette page : anglaise,
> allemande,...  il n' y a rien de tel.
>
> Quelqu'un a une idée d'où cela peut venir ?
>
> Éric B.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione ael

On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:30:03PM +, Brian Prangle wrote:
> Be bold!  If you know the area and in your opinion it's junk then delete
> it. I've done a couple of areas in Shopshire I know.  I don't know what the
> consensus is for tagging so I added a placeholder of
> landuse=unimproved_grassland. What should we be tagging with?
> 

I have used natural=moor for some parts of Bodmin Moor. I know that it
isn't rendered as yet, but that seems by far the most appropriate 
description.

As for being bold, I am normally very reluctant to throw away other
people's work, but I think it is justified in this case. But it will be
hit and miss without a systematic trawl through the user's (users')
changesets. And if I delete stuff outside the region I have surveyed, I
may be trampling on areas where there are active local mappers who might
reasonably be upset.

Not sure when I will have time to do a thorough job any time soon.

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Re: [osm-ve] Cuántos somos?

2017-02-08 Per discussione J. Rojas

aca estoy yo tambien, cuenten conmigo. el OSM Venezuela a pesar de q no
somos muchos si he visto bastantes mejoras en nuestro mapa.

El 8 de febrero de 2017, 9:58, Leonardo Velasquez 
escribió:

> Se dice presente desde el Estado Sucre, donde llego Colon a Venezuela.
>
> cuna del Proyecto CIGMA.!!!
>
> Saludos Cordiales
> Leonardo Velasquez!!
>
> El 7/2/17, J. Hernán Ramírez R.  escribió:
> > De acuerdo podríamos hacer algo para activarnos..
> >
> > --
> > Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente
> > necesario.
> >
> > 
> -
> > J. Hernán Ramírez R
> > http://about.me/hernanramirez - Linux User #97.898
> > 
> > Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela 
> > 
> -
> >
> > 2017-02-07 12:03 GMT-04:00 Rafael A. Isturiz L. :
> >
> >> Buenas, no seria mala idea algún dia tratar de hacer una reunión
> >> presencial invitando a otros posibles interesados en colaborar con el
> >> proyecto.
> >>
> >> Saludos.
> >>
> >> 2017-02-06 4:44 GMT-04:00 Wladimir Szczerban :
> >>
> >>> Hola Juan,
> >>>
> >>> Ya otros compañeros te han indicado algunas páginas por donde empezar.
> >>> Yo
> >>> empezaría por el http://learnosm.org/es/
> >>>
> >>> Respecto al software que se utiliza para trabajar con OSM es casi todo
> >>> (por no decir todo) sofware libre. Lo más facíl para empezar es usar el
> >>> editor web ID que te aparece cuando estás en el mapa.
> >>>
> >>> Luego de que estés cómodo editando lo ideal es usar el JOSM que es el
> >>> editor avanzado y que permite trabajar mejor.
> >>>
> >>> En general las apps para los celulares están más pensadas para
> >>> recolectar
> >>> puntos y grabar tracks gps que para editar el mapa y corregir errores.
> >>> (Lo
> >>> comento desde mi poca experiencia usandolas).
> >>>
> >>> Un sitio donde encontrarás mucha información es en la wiki
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ aqui lo mejor es usar el buscador. Lo
> >>> más completo es en inglés pero muchas partes están traducidas al
> >>> español.
> >>>
> >>> Para el tema del celular Android puedes ver las opciones aquí
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android
> >>>
> >>> *"se pueden hacer correcciones en caso de ver errores"*
> >>> Si la idea de OSM es esa, que entre todos construyamos el mapa.
> >>>
> >>> Tienes unos tutoriales muy buenos en https://www.youtube.com/user/d
> >>> anielorellanav
> >>>
> >>> Este para edición básica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM-CIwVrMyI
> >>> Este para nivel intemedio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfmo_QZL_QA
> >>>
> >>> Este para pasar del editor web ID al JSOM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> >>> v=9zRAVDeYvvQ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El 3 de febrero de 2017, 18:51, Marco Antonio <
> >>> marcoantoniofr...@gmail.com> escribió:
> >>>
>  On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 10:03:46 -0400 Juan Pablo Rodrigues
>   wrote:
> 
>  > puedo usar mi celular con android?
> 
>  mapsme es ligero y simple, para cosas básicas como mejorar negocios,
>  oficinas, turismo es ideal, un resumen →
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT2_lUqxvbw
> 
>  osmand es más personalizable y potente, tiene perfiles (bici, peatón,
>  auto) que cambia la forma de ver el mapa. un resumen (tiene 2da parte)
>  →
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np16HX61RZM
> 
>  > como puedo editar o agregar información?
> 
>  ambos son offline, ambos puedes registrar/editar datos, y en ambos
>  puedes enviar registros de problemas en el mapa.
> 
>  en la wiki de vídeos recolecté varios que ayudan desde lo más simple a
>  cosas complejas. revisa →
>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Videotutoriales
> 
>  abrazos,
> 
>  Marco Antonio
>  @51114u9
> 
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Saludos,
> >>>
> >>> Bolo
> >>> www.geoinquiets.cat
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> a.k.a. pelox (Debian Powered) | JID:ristu...@gusl.org.ve
> >> Barquisimeto [VE] | LinuxUser [238188]
> >> http://pelox.gusl.org.ve
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>
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> Saludos Cordiales..
> Leonardo Velasquez
> N10 34.148 W62 34.908
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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Andrew Hain

According to http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=2762871 
edits in Brazil, Russia, the United Arab Emirates and Senegal have also 
attracted criticism from locally knowledgeable mappers, looking like someone 
who is at best out of their depth.

--
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From: Marco Boeringa 
Sent: 08 February 2017 20:46:10
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

Hi all,

I now had a very preliminary and short look at some of the changesets
involved in the Wales area, which was revealing. I now noticed most of
these features seem to have been added by multiple users / accounts:

- Sam888, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/413378224

- Glucosamine: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/405845733

- Dyserth: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/388818928

There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific, leave almost no
changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day. It seems to me these
are editors working professionally for some OSM related company.

Andy: Is there any chance the DWG could figure out which company these
people are working for, so the company could be contacted about this
specific issue and asked not to add these type of difficult to identify
natural features?

There are so many changesets involved, I guess doing reverts is almost
impossible, lest one wants to see also more useful stuff being removed
as well, like roads and large and small patches of forest that I also
see being part of these changesets.

I have the feeling the most offending stuff is primarily the false
natural=heath. So maybe it is a better course of action to select the
heath features in the affected regions in JOSM, and delete only those in
a new changeset. I think this is by far the easiest solution. Of course,
a bit of caution and review will be required to not include properly
digitized heath features by regular OSM users.

Any other ideas?

Marco

> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:09:24 +
> From: ael 
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?
> Message-ID: <20170208130924.wdbn72h2r6rk7n6f@shelf.conquest>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 11:22:30AM +, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> On 08/02/2017 10:49, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>>   It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and
>>> actually decided to act on our discussions.
> I agree that at least those changes that have not been subsequently
> modified by a "legitimate" mapper should be reverted. I thought
> something like that was going to happen.
>
> As I have noted before, I have encountered this rubbish in the South
> West and have partly corrected some areas where I have directly
> surveyed, but it was still problematical. I didn't touch adjacent areas
> although I was sure they were wrong.
>
> In the light of these discussion, I now feel more bold about perhaps
> just deleting more of this junk unless someone/ some group undertakes
> bulkish reversion.
>
> ael
>

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Využití Ortofotomapy pro OpenStreetMap

2017-02-08 Per discussione Marián Kyral


Dne 3.2.2017 v 14:36 Matej Lieskovský napsal(a):

Ahoj,

povedlo se mi zařídit něco zajímavého. Cituji:

"IPR Praha souhlasí s využíváním ortofotografií, které poskytuje 
prostřednictvím Geoportálu hl. m. Prahy, za účelem aktualizace a 
doplňování databáze OpenStreetMap, přičemž vzniklá vektorová data smí 
být vložena do OSM pod licencí ODbL za předpokladu, že IPR bude uveden 
v seznamu přispěvatelů do OSM a takto vzniklá data budou mít IPR 
uveden jako svůj zdroj."


Konec citace.

Na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors 
 přidám IPR sám, 
prosím uvádějte k zakreslovaným věcem "source=CZ:IPRPraha:ortofoto", 
ať jsou na IPR spokojeni.




Už jsi to tam přidal? Nic tam nevidím ;-)

BTW: zkusil jsem kontaktovat Moravskoslezský kraj, zda by bylo možné 
získat stejný souhlas i pro jejich ortofo 
(http://geoportal.msk.cz/Html5Viewer/?viewer=leteckesnimky)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?


Hi all,

I now had a very preliminary and short look at some of the changesets 
involved in the Wales area, which was revealing. I now noticed most of 
these features seem to have been added by multiple users / accounts:


- Sam888, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/413378224

- Glucosamine: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/405845733

- Dyserth: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/388818928

There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific, leave almost no 
changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day. It seems to me these 
are editors working professionally for some OSM related company.


Andy: Is there any chance the DWG could figure out which company these 
people are working for, so the company could be contacted about this 
specific issue and asked not to add these type of difficult to identify 
natural features?


There are so many changesets involved, I guess doing reverts is almost 
impossible, lest one wants to see also more useful stuff being removed 
as well, like roads and large and small patches of forest that I also 
see being part of these changesets.


I have the feeling the most offending stuff is primarily the false 
natural=heath. So maybe it is a better course of action to select the 
heath features in the affected regions in JOSM, and delete only those in 
a new changeset. I think this is by far the easiest solution. Of course, 
a bit of caution and review will be required to not include properly 
digitized heath features by regular OSM users.


Any other ideas?

Marco


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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:09:24 +
From: ael 
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?
Message-ID: <20170208130924.wdbn72h2r6rk7n6f@shelf.conquest>
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 11:22:30AM +, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 08/02/2017 10:49, Brian Prangle wrote:

  It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and
actually decided to act on our discussions.

I agree that at least those changes that have not been subsequently
modified by a "legitimate" mapper should be reverted. I thought
something like that was going to happen.

As I have noted before, I have encountered this rubbish in the South
West and have partly corrected some areas where I have directly
surveyed, but it was still problematical. I didn't touch adjacent areas
although I was sure they were wrong.

In the light of these discussion, I now feel more bold about perhaps
just deleting more of this junk unless someone/ some group undertakes
bulkish reversion.

ael




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Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto revert changeset

2017-02-08 Per discussione Marco

Ciao, no, non sono sicuro serva/basti un revert. A suo tempo avevo dato 
un'occhiata veloce e mi era sembrata la soluzione più veloce. Visto però 
che mi era stato detto che avrebbe sistemato il mappatore in questione, 
non avevo approfondito.


Prima avevo un po' di tempo ed ho provato a fare qualche prova su josm 
ma i risultati non erano soddisfacenti, quindi ho scritto qua.


Appena riesco cerco di capirci di più, se nel frattempo qualcuno 
vuole/può sistemare faccia pure.


Grazie

Marco


Il 08/02/2017 20:03, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami ha scritto:

Ciao Marco,
quella che hai linkato tu non è proprio una relazione, ma una way con 
dei tag tipici da relazione (come type=route).
Infatti quella way fa parte di ben due relazioni: una che indica che è 
un percorso escursionistico[1] e una che indica che è un percorso per 
mountain bike.


Immagino che per errore siano stati tolti i tag del sentiero e siano 
stati messi quelli della relazione...


Insomma, quella che hai indicato tu sarebbe la strada per cui 
basterebbe aggiungerci un highway=path o spezzarla in vari pezzetti 
per essere più precisi (se per esempio cambia il tipo di suolo: 
sterrato, ghiaia, terra...) e per scegliere quale tenere tra quella e 
i pezzetti delle altre way taggate come "Via Vandelli" che ci corrono 
a fianco.


Sei sicuro quindi che sia necessario fare un revert secco?

Lorenzo

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5878167
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5878166


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Re: [Talk-GB] Propose automated edit to update NAPTAN data in the west mids

Hi Michael

Not sure what the process is now - it was so long ago we did the last one.
Can anyone help Michael?

Regards

Brian

On 3 February 2017 at 23:22, Michael Booth  wrote:

> On a related note, what is the process for getting an import in places
> that don't already have NAPTAN data? I'd be interested in having bus stops
> in Fife imported.
>
>
> On 03/02/2017 17:52, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> We have an opportunity to work with the regional transport authority TfWM
> to update this data which is 8 years old and partially edited by OSM users.
> They have assigned 2 developers to work on this and I'm spending a half day
> each week working with them.
>
> We've agreed and discussed this in our mappa mercia group and also
> contacted a prolific local public transport OSM editor who's not part of
> our group.
>
> In line with the automated edits policy there's a wikipage
> 
> with full details
>
> Comments welcome as this exercise might be useful elswhere as the state of
> NAPTAN data will be in a similar state
>
> regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-it] 8 aprile 2017 a Napoli: assemblea ordinaria di Wikimedia/OpenStreetMap Italia

2017-02-08 Per discussione Cristian Consonni

Cari tutti,

vi inoltro queste due mail del presidente di WMI/OSM Italia.

In breve, il prossimo 8 aprile 2017 ci sarà l'assemblea ordinaria (e
forse anche quella straordinaria) a Napoli: si approveranno i bilanci e
ci saranno da eleggere 3 membri del direttivo.

L'assemblea è pubblica e tutti possono partecipare, ma solo i soci
possono votare per le varie decisioni (per es. l'approvazione del
bilancio e per l'elezione del direttivo.

Partecipate numerosi.

Ciao,

C

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Subject: [wikimedia-it] assemblea primaverile 2017
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:37:38 +0200
From: Laurentius 
Reply-To: Associazione Wikimedia Italia 
To: associazi...@wikimedia.it

Cari soci,
con insolito anticipo, abbiamo una data ed una città per l'assemblea di
primavera 2017: Napoli, 8 aprile.

Sarà la prima assemblea a sud di Roma dal 2008 (Marcianise).
L'associazione è storicamente poco presente nel sud Italia, ma questo
sta lentamente cambiando grazie al lavoro dei soci locali. È ora che
anche l'assemblea dia il suo contributo a riequilibrare le cose.

Oltre a Claudio, ringrazio Virginia per la proposta di Bologna, Susanna
per quella di Pistoia e Luca per quella (ritirata) di Perugia. Sono
tutte proposte valide, ma abbiamo scelto Napoli per motivi di
opportunità locali e di equilibrio geografico.

Nell'assemblea di aprile sono previsti l'approvazione del bilancio
consuntivo 2016, l'elezione del direttivo (sono in scadenza Cristian e
Ginevra), e forse una proposta di modifica dello statuto (era stato
ipotizzato di farlo già a dicembre, ma è meglio ad anno nuovo).

La sede dell'assemblea è ancora da individuare, ma c'è tempo. La data
potrebbe potenzialmente variare se emergessero problemi nel frattempo,
ma è improbabile, perché non ci sono altre date buone ad aprile. La
convocazione ufficiale comunque arriverà a inizio 2017.
Segnalo che, purtroppo, probabilmente sarà lo stesso giorno
dell'assemblea di Wikimedia CH.

Lorenzo

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Subject:[wikimedia-it] candidature per il direttivo 2017
Date:   Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:30:57 +0100
From:   Lorenzo Losa 
Reply-To:   Associazione Wikimedia Italia 
To: associazi...@wikimedia.it



Cari soci,
fra due mesi esatti (8 aprile) ci sarà la prossima assemblea di
Wikimedia Italia, a Napoli. Oltre all'approvazione del bilancio
consuntivo 2016 e alcune altre cose, dovremo rinnovare il consiglio
direttivo dell'associazione. Ci si può candidare fino ad una settimana
prima dell'assemblea (quindi fino al primo aprile), ma non c'è motivo di
aspettare così tanto:
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Associazione:Candidati_per_il_direttivo_2017

I membri del consiglio direttivo durano in carica due anni e le elezioni
sono scaglionate: questo aprile terminano i mandati di Cristian, Ginevra
e Saverio (quest'ultimo è subentrato a fine novembre a Simone, e
pertanto il suo mandato termina alle prime elezioni), mentre i mandati
di Sannita e mio proseguono fino a primavera 2018.

Pensateci. Sono sicuro che ci possano essere molti validi candidati qui
dentro.

Lorenzo


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Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto revert changeset

2017-02-08 Per discussione Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami

Ciao Marco,
quella che hai linkato tu non è proprio una relazione, ma una way con dei
tag tipici da relazione (come type=route).
Infatti quella way fa parte di ben due relazioni: una che indica che è un
percorso escursionistico[1] e una che indica che è un percorso per mountain
bike.

Immagino che per errore siano stati tolti i tag del sentiero e siano stati
messi quelli della relazione...

Insomma, quella che hai indicato tu sarebbe la strada per cui basterebbe
aggiungerci un highway=path o spezzarla in vari pezzetti per essere più
precisi (se per esempio cambia il tipo di suolo: sterrato, ghiaia,
terra...) e per scegliere quale tenere tra quella e i pezzetti delle altre
way taggate come "Via Vandelli" che ci corrono a fianco.

Sei sicuro quindi che sia necessario fare un revert secco?

Lorenzo

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5878167
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5878166
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Re: [Talk-de] Fussgänger Routing durch Anlagen in denen Eintritt verlangt wird.

2017-02-08 Per discussione chris66


Am 08.02.2017 um 18:46 schrieb electricwarr...@web.de:


Wo liegt das Problem ? Bei allen Routern ? oder an unserem Tagging?


Tendenziell an den Routern, die access=customers und fee=yes in der 
Regel nicht auswerten.


Der Router kann halt nicht wissen, ob Du bereit bist für eine Abkürzung
zu zahlen. :-)

Wäre ich Routerprogrammierer würde ich solche Wege zumindest herabstufen.

> barrier=*

Die sind halt für Fußgänger freigegeben, sonst käme man ja in den Zoo
nicht hinein.

Christian




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Re: [Talk-de] Lokale-Gruppen-Layer auf openstreetmap.de

2017-02-08 Per discussione Harald Hartmann

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Also ich kann es nur nochmal wiederholen: das Original(pyhton)skript
auf usergroups.openstreetmap.de erzeugt neben dem worldwide KML auch
bereits eine DACH KML (und das mehrfach am Tag!). Das müsste halt nur
wieder an die richtige Stelle kopiert werden, oder eben dann nach
jeder neuen Erzeugung mit Änderung per git ins Repo committet werden,
oder was auch immer sich die Admins nun vorstellen, wenn sie "alte
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Re: [Talk-de] Fussgänger Routing durch Anlagen in denen Eintritt verlangt wird.

2017-02-08 Per discussione electricwarrior

Sorry, habe vergessen die Beispiele anzufügen

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot=52.50705%2C13.34466%3B52.50743%2C13.33256#map=16/52.5075/13.3349
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot=51.4343%2C6.9919%3B51.4271%2C6.9957#map=15/51.4270/6.9991
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=mapzen_foot=51.4396%2C6.8086%3B51.4335%2C6.8001#map=16/51.4365/6.8050

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Von: electricwarr...@web.de
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2017 18:53
An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
Betreff: [Talk-de] Fussgänger Routing durch Anlagen in denen Eintritt verlangt
wird.

Ich habe in den letzten Tagen einige Router beauftragt mich in der Nähe von
Zoos oder Parks in denen an Kassen Eintritt zu zahlen ist zu führen. Ich wollte
ohne Eintritt zu zahlen daran vorbei.
Kann mir jemand ein Beispiel nennen, wo dies geschieht, ohne dass der Router
mich durch die Anlage führt ? Es ist mir nicht gelungen. Es ist dumm, wenn ich
mit meinem Navy durch fremde Orte laufe und mich die OSM-Karte als Fussgänger
immer mal wieder durch einen Zoo oder durch einen Vergnügungspark führt.
Mapzen und Graph Hopper auf openstreetmap.org führen mich ebenfalls durch die
Sperren trotz barrier=* und access=private/no.
Als Fussgänger gibt es wohl keine Einschränkungen. Außer auf einer Autobahn.
Wo liegt das Problem ? Bei allen Routern ? oder an unserem Tagging?

Willi Rehfeld

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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

Be bold!  If you know the area and in your opinion it's junk then delete
it. I've done a couple of areas in Shopshire I know.  I don't know what the
consensus is for tagging so I added a placeholder of
landuse=unimproved_grassland. What should we be tagging with?



On 8 February 2017 at 13:09, ael  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 11:22:30AM +, Andy Townsend wrote:
> > On 08/02/2017 10:49, Brian Prangle wrote:
> > >  It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and
> > > actually decided to act on our discussions.
>
> I agree that at least those changes that have not been subsequently
> modified by a "legitimate" mapper should be reverted. I thought
> something like that was going to happen.
>
> As I have noted before, I have encountered this rubbish in the South
> West and have partly corrected some areas where I have directly
> surveyed, but it was still problematical. I didn't touch adjacent areas
> although I was sure they were wrong.
>
> In the light of these discussion, I now feel more bold about perhaps
> just deleting more of this junk unless someone/ some group undertakes
> bulkish reversion.
>
> ael
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review of Solihull naptan data

Hi Ed

Only one and that's one I surveyed

Regards

Brian

On 8 February 2017 at 15:44, Ed Loach  wrote:

> How many of those also have physically_present=no (so definitely a bus
> stop, but no pole) as described here:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_
> Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data#physically_present
>
> ?
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
> *Sent:* 08 February 2017 12:35
> *To:* OSM Group WM 
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review of Solihull naptan data
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I've found 39 CUS stops that are marked with highway=bus_stop. Over 60%
> were edited by reliable mappers so I'd trust our data mostly I think it
> will be where CUS stops have been upgraded by TfWM sticking a pole in the
> ground.
>
> I think we can live with any anomalies unti an automated edit  updates
> this data.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-it] Aiuto revert changeset

2017-02-08 Per discussione Marco

Qualche mese fa ho notato che questa relazione [1] non è "associata" a 
nessuna strada, guardandola da vicino si vede che è stata creata una 
linea mooolto vicina a vari tratti di varie strade e gli si è dato il 
valore di relazione. Da quel che ho capito finora, le relazioni devono 
contenere vari membri (tratti di strade/sentieri,...), non correrci a 
fianco. Inoltre, nella sua parte più ad est [2], si vede che manca 
proprio la strada, la quale è stata cancellata da "rikicarraMO 
".


Ho contattato il mappatore; diceva di aver cancellato la strada 
sicuramente per errore e che avrebbe provveduto a sistemare. Ad oggi, 
sono passati quasi due mesi, pensavo di fare un semplice revert con 
JOSM. Nel tentativo di farlo però ho notato che josm mi avverte di un 
conflitto con un'altra relazione. Non essendo molto pratico di josm 
chiedo a voi di dare un'occhiata e nel caso di fare il revert di quel (o 
altri) changeset.


[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392182099

[2] http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=36671131


Grazie mille

Marco

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[Talk-de] Fussgänger Routing durch Anlagen in denen Eintritt verlangt wird.

2017-02-08 Per discussione electricwarrior

Ich habe in den letzten Tagen einige Router beauftragt mich in der Nähe von 
Zoos oder Parks in denen an Kassen Eintritt zu zahlen ist zu führen. Ich wollte 
ohne Eintritt zu zahlen daran vorbei.
Kann mir jemand ein Beispiel nennen, wo dies geschieht, ohne dass der Router 
mich durch die Anlage führt ? Es ist mir nicht gelungen. Es ist dumm, wenn ich 
mit meinem Navy durch fremde Orte laufe und mich die OSM-Karte als Fussgänger 
immer mal wieder durch einen Zoo oder durch einen Vergnügungspark führt. 
Mapzen und Graph Hopper auf openstreetmap.org führen mich ebenfalls durch die 
Sperren trotz barrier=* und access=private/no.
Als Fussgänger gibt es wohl keine Einschränkungen. Außer auf einer Autobahn.
Wo liegt das Problem ? Bei allen Routern ? oder an unserem Tagging?

Willi Rehfeld

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouveau site Internet points géodésiques IGN

Le 8 février 2017 à 18:15, PanierAvide  a écrit :

> Donc s'ils ont possibilité de mettre à disposition un fichier avec
> l'ensemble des bornes du réseau (y compris pour la métropole) ce serait
> idéal.


j'en fait prestement la demande cher Adrien.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouveau site Internet points géodésiques IGN

2017-02-08 Per discussione PanierAvide


Le 08/02/2017 à 17:36, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
Par ailleurs, @Adrien as-tu réalisé de nouvelles opérations sur les 
DOM/TOM ? Tu disais avoir des problèmes en Mayotte, te faut-il un 
nouvel export des bornes de ce territoire ? Pourrais-tu stp résumer le 
problème et les solutions envisageables pour l'IGN stp ? Je ne me suis 
pas plongé dans cette partie et tu la maitrises mieux que moi, merci.


Rien depuis mon dernier message. Pour résumer, l'ajout des URL a été 
fait pour la Guadeloupe, la Martinique, la Guyane et la Réunion. Pour 
toutes les autres bornes sur le territoire français (hormis métropole et 
ces DOM), les anciennes URL ont juste été supprimées.


Pour le cas de Mayotte, seules 5 bornes sont présentes dans OSM alors 
que la carte sur le site de l'IGN semble en présenter largement plus. La 
solution serait de refaire un import côté OSM des bornes sur Mayotte. 
Mais ça nécessite d'avoir justement l'emplacement des bornes de la part 
de l'IGN ;-) Donc s'ils ont possibilité de mettre à disposition un 
fichier avec l'ensemble des bornes du réseau (y compris pour la 
métropole) ce serait idéal. On pourrait comparer avec celles côté OSM, 
et vérifier le cas où les bornes n'existent plus sur le terrain pour les 
supprimer d'OSM.


Cordialement.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Data z magistratu Brna - poštovní schránky

2017-02-08 Per discussione majka

Řekla bych že mám, je to podle mě 49.177760, 16.602992

Vcelku to tak odpovídá "přesnosti" té tabulky.

> Akorat nevim co delat s radkem:
> 60010   Depo Brno 71chodník před domem  08:00   1-5 - pracovní dny 
> (pondělí až pátek)
>
> Jak "chodnik pred domem"?
> Asi to necham az uplne na konec a zkusim napsat do Ceske posty.
>
> Mirek

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Re: [Talk-cz] Data z magistratu Brna - poštovní schránky

2017-02-08 Per discussione Miroslav Suchy

Dne 7.2.2017 v 13:20 majka napsal(a):
> Tak jsem udělala pokus v Českých Budějovicích, podle mě docela úspěšný.
> 
> Schránky samotné identifikaci mají (předpokládám že podle depa které
> vybírá). Na schránce je štítek s číslem, označením depa, telefonem a
> dobou výběru.
> 
> Takže můj konkrétní postup:
> - hodit to do tabulky ty údaje České pošty
> - přidat sloupec, upravit v něm adresu do rozumného tvaru (ulice +
> číslo, město), upravit zbytek do formy vhodné pro načtení do JOSM
> (tedy upravit čas výběru, přidat poznámku...)
> - nechat projet geokódováním, přidat zpět do tabulky lat a lon; u
> schránek určených křižovatkou jsem pozici nabrala z mapy ručně
> doprostřed křižovatky
> - stáhnout zmapované schránky z overpass turbo, otevřít v JOSM
> - ty "moje" otevřít v nové vrstvě, zkontrolovat proti již zmapovaným,
> případně posunout pozici v téhle vrstvě
> - volitelně: prohledat zbytek v google nebo seznam mapách, případně si
> vzpomenout, že o okolo některých schránek chodím či jezdím, jen je
> nevnímám, a upravit v tabulce pozici podle domu / křižovatky / ...
> - vyexportovat jako gpx
> - načíst do mobilu (osmand) jako body zájmu
> - v polední pauze oběhnout cca 10 nejbližších schránek, mimo jiné
> najít na místě i jednu určenou přesností cca 100 m, vyfotit + geotag
> - a na závěr zopakovat načtení tabulky + fotek do JOSM, naposledy
> zkontrolovat pozici, a tentokrát už i poslat schránky bez problému
> určené do OSM dat
> 
> Z celých Českých Budějovic jsem drobnější problém měla u 3 schránek /
> u jedné původní přesnost určení cca 100m, dohledáno bez problémů na
> místě na první dobrou, na zdi hned vedle vchodu, další dvě určené
> poměrně velkou budovou budu muset dojít obhlídnout, to místo zas tak
> dobře neznám.
> 
> Předpokládám, že i v Brně by to mělo jít obdobně - tedy dát schránkám
> interní ID, naházet je na přibližnou polohu, dát k dispozici buďto
> jako json a/nebo gpx a vyrazit na lov. Je mi jasné, že Brno je jaksi
> větší, ale zase tam mapuje víc lidí.

Ja jsem z te tabulky vyfiltroval vsechno co obhospodaruje to brnenske depo. Jak 
jsem rikal tak vysledek je na
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DZdpwlL3TY3pbAyAHpebwsVeBU051cZsZqY-ypQDTTc/edit?usp=sharing

Pres overpass zkontroluji zda ta schranka tam je (zatim jsem delal jenom 
jihovychodni okraj).
Pokud je, tak jsem akorat doplnil cas vyberu (collection_times=Mon-Fri 9:00), 
pripadne operatora.

Pokud v OSM neni, tak si to poznacim do tabulky a planuji se k tomu vratit.

Ty schranky, ktere tam nejsou bud navstivit pokud je mam nekde po ceste. Nebo 
pouzit street view nebo panorama.

Akorat nevim co delat s radkem:
60010   Depo Brno 71chodník před domem  08:00   1-5 - pracovní dny 
(pondělí až pátek)   

Jak "chodnik pred domem"?
Asi to necham az uplne na konec a zkusim napsat do Ceske posty.

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouveau site Internet points géodésiques IGN

hello,
J'ai eu une réponse de l'IGN.

Voici la question que je posais :

> quelques exceptions restent un mystère : la fiche PDF n'existe pas ou
> plus, et il est impossible de localiser ces bornes via le serveur de fiches
> de l'IGN.
> Voici donc les bornes qui sont introuvables en France métropolitaine :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670013010 numéro de référence 21225A -
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670150522 numéro de référence 43177A -
> 3;43177A - 2
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670042281 numéro de référence
> 379.5;380.2
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670602098 numéro de référence 84049A -
> 2;84049A - 1
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670148874 numéro de référence 42154A -
> 2;42154A - 1
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670192455 numéro de référence 63084C -
> 1;63084C - 2
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670159917 numéro de référence 49071B -
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/670520533 numéro de référence 70568A -
>
> Les liens mentionnés dans le champ URL renvoient tous vers la page
> d'accueil du serveur de fiches
> 
> .
> Pourriez-vous svp nous informer plus en détail sur ces bornes en
> particulier ?


La réponse de l'IGN :

> L'information géodésique évolue quotidiennement et cela grâce au travail
> de l'IGN et de ses partenaires (par exemple, Nantes Métropole, Rennes
> Métropole, la Communauté Urbaine du Grand Dijon, ...) et aussi grâce aux
> remontées qui nous sont envoyées.
> Les exemples de fiches introuvables que vous nous avez transmis concernent
> tous des clochers. Historiquement, les clochers ont beaucoup été utilisés
> comme repères géodésiques. Ces points avaient l'avantage d'être visibles de
> loin et d'être plutôt pérennes. Ils ont permis de déterminer la NTF
> (Nouvelle Triangulation Française) toutefois ils ont le désavantage de ne
> pas être stationnables ... Ces points font en général partie du 4em ou du
> 5em ordre.
>
> Si les fiches sont introuvables, c'est que ces points ne sont plus
> considérés comme suffisamment sûrs ou précis. Par exemple, la restauration
> d'un clocher peut entraîner la suppression du point géodésique qui lui
> était rattaché.
>

Du coup, on switche les bornes qui n'ont pas de fiche PDF ?
Je propose de remplacer l'ancien tag *man_made=survey_point* par
*disused:man_made=survey_point*
Dans la foulée on peut supprimer le tag URL et rajouter un "note=Cette
borne n'est désormais plus maintenue ni référencée par l'IGN. Son
emplacement précis ainsi que son existence ne sont pas connus par l'IGN."


Par ailleurs, @Adrien as-tu réalisé de nouvelles opérations sur les DOM/TOM
? Tu disais avoir des problèmes en Mayotte, te faut-il un nouvel export des
bornes de ce territoire ? Pourrais-tu stp résumer le problème et les
solutions envisageables pour l'IGN stp ? Je ne me suis pas plongé dans
cette partie et tu la maitrises mieux que moi, merci.


Le 26 janvier 2017 à 10:03, Florian LAINEZ  a écrit :

> Hey,
> Suite à une discussion très ouverte et constructive sur le stand de l'IGN
> à Décryptagéo, j'ai envoyé un email à la bonne personne à l'IGN, en mettant
> en copie cette discussion et en décrivant nos différents points de blocage.
> Je souhaite entamer le dialogue pour résoudre nos problèmes actuels mais
> également pour voir comment fluidifier notre process de mise à jour dans le
> futur.
>
> On aura surement une réponse directement sur cette discussion ou je vous
> tiendrai au courant.
>
> Le 24 janvier 2017 à 19:02, PanierAvide  a écrit :
>
>> J'ai réalisé le réajout des URL pour les nœuds dans les DOM, hormis
>> Mayotte où il a l'air de manquer pas mal de bornes si on compare avec la
>> carte de l'IGN.
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Adrien.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 24/01/2017 à 15:15, GarenKreiz a écrit :
>>
>> Effectivement pour les DOM-TOM il faut rajouter un champ "territoire"
>> dans l'URL et donc l'identifiant d'un site ne suffit pas.
>>
>> La table de correspondance site->territoire est disponible dans les
>> fichiers référencés par WikiProjet_France - Repères Géodésiques
>> 
>>
>> Ces fichiers peuvent aussi servir à identifier les points à tord ou à
>> raison depuis 2009/2010 et à reconstruire les relations cassées.
>>
>> Cdt
>>
>>   Garenkreiz
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 24 janvier 2017 à 13:22, PanierAvide  a écrit
>> :
>>
>>> C'était l'avantage de la solution proposée par Florian, si le PDF existe
>>> ça redirige, s'il n'existe pas ça le génère. Mais visiblement le cas des
>>> DOM-TOM est à part, cette URL ne les gérant pas (ce qui est ballot en soi).
>>>
>>> Cordialement,
>>>
>>> Adrien.
>>>
>>> Le 24/01/2017 à 13:01, GarenKreiz a écrit :
>>>
>>> Normalement, quand le point géodésique est bien dans la base IGN l'URL
>>> utilisé par Panier Avide déclenche la génération de la fiche dans le cache
>>> et

Re: [Talk-in] Map of InternetShutdowns in India - Need Help!

2017-02-08 Per discussione srinivas kodali

I kinda posted in a rush, what is the issue again? I see that the map on
internetshutdowns.in is close to India's official boundaries. Is it just
with the styling listed in Readme file?



Regards,
Srinivas Kodali
www.lostprogrammer.com

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:43 PM, srinivas kodali 
wrote:

> There is a guide to use the openstreetmap.in server with accurate
> boundaries https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in#using-this-map
>
> Regards,
> Srinivas Kodali
> www.lostprogrammer.com
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Sarath M S  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We just launched a website[1] to keep track of the increasing incidents
>> of Internet Shutdowns in India. So far we have collected information
>> about 62 such incidents across India. You can read more about the issue
>> on the site[2].
>>
>> Apart from the sharing the work and inviting contributions[3], I am
>> writing this to seek help in fixing the problem with India's borders
>> with Pakistan and China showing up in a way that the Government of India
>> doesn't like. Within a few hours of launching the site, we have already
>> received a mail complaining about this.
>>
>> What we tried:
>>
>> * We used the mapbox-gl-boundaries[4] library to switch to the claimed
>> boundaries. The map styles differ from the example used in the README.md
>> file.
>>
>> * A couple of friends from Mapbox helped out with changing the polygons
>> on the state. We also tried using the district and state polygons from
>> datameet.
>>
>> Is there a known fix to this? What else can be done?
>>
>>  [1] http://internetshutdows.in
>>  [2] http://internetshutdowns.in/about
>>  [3] https://gitlab.com/sflcin/internetshutdowns/tree/webapp
>>  [4] https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-boundaries
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sarath
>> Technologist, SFLC.in
>>
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Re: [Talk-in] Map of InternetShutdowns in India - Need Help!

2017-02-08 Per discussione srinivas kodali

There is a guide to use the openstreetmap.in server with accurate
boundaries https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in#using-this-map

Regards,
Srinivas Kodali
www.lostprogrammer.com

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Sarath M S  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We just launched a website[1] to keep track of the increasing incidents
> of Internet Shutdowns in India. So far we have collected information
> about 62 such incidents across India. You can read more about the issue
> on the site[2].
>
> Apart from the sharing the work and inviting contributions[3], I am
> writing this to seek help in fixing the problem with India's borders
> with Pakistan and China showing up in a way that the Government of India
> doesn't like. Within a few hours of launching the site, we have already
> received a mail complaining about this.
>
> What we tried:
>
> * We used the mapbox-gl-boundaries[4] library to switch to the claimed
> boundaries. The map styles differ from the example used in the README.md
> file.
>
> * A couple of friends from Mapbox helped out with changing the polygons
> on the state. We also tried using the district and state polygons from
> datameet.
>
> Is there a known fix to this? What else can be done?
>
>  [1] http://internetshutdows.in
>  [2] http://internetshutdowns.in/about
>  [3] https://gitlab.com/sflcin/internetshutdowns/tree/webapp
>  [4] https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-boundaries
>
> Thanks,
> Sarath
> Technologist, SFLC.in
>
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[Talk-in] Map of InternetShutdowns in India - Need Help!

2017-02-08 Per discussione Sarath M S

Hello,

We just launched a website[1] to keep track of the increasing incidents
of Internet Shutdowns in India. So far we have collected information
about 62 such incidents across India. You can read more about the issue
on the site[2].

Apart from the sharing the work and inviting contributions[3], I am
writing this to seek help in fixing the problem with India's borders
with Pakistan and China showing up in a way that the Government of India
doesn't like. Within a few hours of launching the site, we have already
received a mail complaining about this.

What we tried:

* We used the mapbox-gl-boundaries[4] library to switch to the claimed
boundaries. The map styles differ from the example used in the README.md
file.

* A couple of friends from Mapbox helped out with changing the polygons
on the state. We also tried using the district and state polygons from
datameet.

Is there a known fix to this? What else can be done?

 [1] http://internetshutdows.in
 [2] http://internetshutdowns.in/about
 [3] https://gitlab.com/sflcin/internetshutdowns/tree/webapp
 [4] https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-boundaries

Thanks,
Sarath
Technologist, SFLC.in



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review of Solihull naptan data

2017-02-08 Per discussione Ed Loach

How many of those also have physically_present=no (so definitely a bus stop, 
but no pole) as described here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data#physically_present

?

 

Ed

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 08 February 2017 12:35
To: OSM Group WM 
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review of Solihull naptan data

 

Hi everyone

I've found 39 CUS stops that are marked with highway=bus_stop. Over 60% were 
edited by reliable mappers so I'd trust our data mostly I think it will be 
where CUS stops have been upgraded by TfWM sticking a pole in the ground.

I think we can live with any anomalies unti an automated edit  updates this 
data.

Regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-it] Utente Fredie e modifiche grossolane

2017-02-08 Per discussione Fabrizio Tambussa

Seconda puntata:
ieri sera, dopo aver segnalato la cosa al DWG, ho revertato un suo
changeset (uno dei piu' piccoli)
Oggi mi ha commentato:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45895281

A questo punto ho riscritto al DWG dicendo che mi sento infastidito da
un comportamento cosi' arrogante.

Vi chiederei di lasciare commenti al chengeset in modo da far sentire
la voce di tutti per non permettere modifiche estese ed arbitrarie, a
scapito del lavoro altrui.
Grazie
Saluti



Il 8 febbraio 2017 12:42, Max1234Ita  ha scritto:
> 'Azz.. l'ho "incontrato" anch'io, mappando alcune aree nella zona di Cornale
> (PV).
>
> Stesse ossevazioni, modifiche grossolane, landuse tracciati alla bell'e
> meglio, ecc.
> Però il suo lavoro ho cercato di rispettarlo: visto che risale a circa 2
> mesi fa, pensavo che utilizzasse ortofoto più recenti delle mie
> (Bing/MapBox).
>
> Invece ora ho controllato meglio: se anche utilizza fonti "alternative",
> tipo Google, lo fa pure male.
> ad esempio, ho trovato questa way:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/457702271/history#map=16/45.0615/8.9177
> 
> , taggata come /natural=heath/
>
> Sbirciando su Google (immagini dichiarate come "del 2017", anche se non
> credo sia totalmente vero), la zona corrispondente è questa:
> https://www.google.it/maps/@45.069759,8.9478101,1670m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=it
> 
> , e se la si compara con le "vecchie" foto di MapBox si può vedere che
> l'aspetto del terreno è leggermente cambiato, ma trattasi di un bosco, che
> di certo non è / heath
> 
> /
>
>
> Sul fatto che i landuse cambino nel tempo posso essere d'accordo: dopotutto
> esiste la rotazione ed il tipo di coltura può cambiare di anno in anno. Di
> certo, però, se un terreno è /farmland/, è lecito supporre che resterà tale
> "per un po' di tempo", indipendentemente dal fatto che ci cresca sopra
> frumento, barbabietole o insalatina... a meno di stravolgimenti nella
> destinazione d'uso del terreno (peraltro sempre possibili *ovunque*).
>
> Sul fatto che i landuse vengano poi "agganciati" alle strade, e circa la
> "trollaggine" dell'individuo (che oltre a devastare sembra pure farsi beffe
> delle osservazioni altrui), invece no. Se il tizio non sente ragioni sono
> d'accordo anch'io, revert e segnalazione...
>
> A proposito di osservazioni; solo un'ultima: Fredie dice che per lui, su
> Navi, i landuse e le strade private sono soltanto sfondo e non
> gl'interessano...
> Io invece uso OsmAnd e sono proprio quei particolari che mi piace vedere
> nella MIA visualizzazione della mappa. Ma non starà mica mappando per il
> rendering!?!?! :->
>
>
> Ciao e buona giornata,
> MAx
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] refonte openstreetmap.fr / Need help

2017-02-08 Per discussione Nicolas Bétheuil

hello,

Comme vue avec Florian & Jean, Je viens de créer un poc sur jekyll pour
s'essayer et avancer. Pour l'instant c'est très "vierge" mais c'est pour
remotiver et faire converger les énergies. C'est aussi pour valider que
l'on peut faire ce que l'on veut, autant au niveau design, qu'au niveau
contenu. On vas dire que les posts sont les actualités, les pages sont les
grandes rubriques. J'en ai déjà créé quelques une. Vous rajouter un fichier
markdown à la racine et automatiquement, ça fait une rubrique, une entrée
dans le menu en haut

2 manières de bosser dessus :
besoin d'éditeurs, création de contenu, là on a besoin de valider /
infirmer l'hypothèse que l'on peut créer du contenu en markdown sans
soucis, pas de blocage technique des rédacteurs ...
si vous n'êtes pas à l'aise avec github & markdown, des éditeurs en ligne
existent http://prose.io/, https://stackedit.io/, 
http://dillinger.io/
soit je vous donne directement les droits sur mon repo, soit vous forkez et
faites des pull requests

je parle javanais ? n'hésitez pas à revenir vers moi, je tacherais de
répondre au mieux à vos questions / interrogations

de mon côté, je vais bosser sur l'intégration / responsive ... si d'autres
motivés, déjà bossé avec jekyll c'est open

les liens
le repo : https://github.com/wadouk/osm-poc
le site généré : https://wadouk.github.io/osm-poc/
jekyll : http://jekyllrb.com/

Le 16 novembre 2016 à 23:57, Christian Rogel <
christian.ro...@club-internet.fr> a écrit :

> Je crois qu’il faut bien examiner les « lieux » où cela se passe :
>
> Le site OpenStreetMap France est la propriété de la communauté des membres
> de l’association du même nom.
>
> Il a deux objets qu’il ne faut pas hiérarchiser :
>
>- Servir le projet OpenStreetMap en rendant compte de l’activité et
>des réflexions des membres et des non-membres que les premiers rencontrent
>- Mettre à disposition de la communauté  OSM française, et bien au
>delà, des outils et des ressources
>
>
> C’est la seconde mission qui légitime l’actuelle discussion sur cette
> liste.
>
> On comprend que c’est une gageure de mélanger les deux dans une page
> d’accueil, d’autant que la surface d’une carte est, semble-t’i,
> ,antinomique d’une bonne audience (ce qui est gênant pour une association).
>
> Je serai donc enclin à appuyer la proposition d’un regroupement des
> services « généraux » sous une URL propre (plutôt avec OSM + Fr + une
> extension originale).
> Dans cas, la page d’accueil pourrait présenter côte à côte, et la carte
> mondiale et la carte « francisée ».
>
> Il ne faut pas exagérer, non plus, l’incidence, du « clic en trop »,
> l’essentiel étant qu’en arrivant sur le site OSM France, il y ait un
> bandeau faisant accéder à une carte. Une fenêtre de recherche Nominatim (ou
> autre) pouvant adoucir l’impatience.
>
>
> Christian R.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Public_transport=station sur les gares

2017-02-08 Per discussione Daniel d'Andrada Tenório de Carvalho

Le 8 février 2017 à 14:20, Jean-Claude Repetto  a écrit :

> Oui, pourquoi sa valeur a-t-elle diminué ? (deprecated ne signifie pas
> déprécié, c'est un faux-ami. "Déprécié", ça se dit "depreciated" en
> anglais).
>

autant pour moi, mauvaise traduction.

Peut-être avant de faire une telle modif, voir pourquoi tant d'éléments, la
SNCF ne gère "que" 3000 gares.

je ne suggère pas de rajouter train=yes car la SNCF gére aussi des arrêts
de bus (notamment Noctilien en IdF), des arrêts de tram ... d'où surement
le différentiel. Néanmoins je vais un peu creuser pour être certain de ce
que je fais.

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Re: [Talk-br] Uso do OSM em http://mapa.consumoresponsavel.org.br/

Já entrei em contato pelo formulário do próprio site.

2017-02-08 11:41 GMT-02:00 Daniel d'Andrada Tenório de Carvalho <
daniel.dandr...@gmail.com>:

> Bem legal, mas faltou dar crédito ao OpenStreetMap.
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Re: [Talk-de] Lokale-Gruppen-Layer auf openstreetmap.de

2017-02-08 Per discussione Peter


Am 07.02.2017 23:45, schrieb gmbo:

Ich habe mal einen Einzeiler dazu gebracht ein aktuelles
|osm_user_groups_dach.kml zu erzeugen.



|
|wget -o melde.txt -O a.kml
'usergroups.openstreetmap.de/osm_user_groups.kml';echo 'http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2;>OSM usergroups
worldwideGenerated list of OpenStreetMap local user
groups by UserGroupsBotlocalgroup.png0.5'
 >de.kml;sed "s/<\/Placemark>/<\/Placemark>\n/g" a.kml |sed
"s/DE" >>de.kml;echo
'' >>osm_user_groups_dach.kml


>[...]

DACH? ich denke da fehlen CH/AT


Natürlich ließe sich das ganze im Python-Script besser unterbringen,
aber so geht es auch.


Wenn Ich was aus xml extrahieren will - oder darstellen oder so - denke
ich erstmal an xslt (jaja, das schmerzt, aber für einfaches bleibt es
einfach), bin halt kein Systemtechniker der bash können will (und dann
doch Perl nimmt [aber alt bin ich]).

Es ist zwar kein Einzeiler mehr, aber doch recht kompakt.
Aufruf per:
xsltproc pick.xslt osm_user_groups.kml
(oder anderem xslt-Prozessor, auch die Browser können das)
---  pick.xslt 
http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform;
xmlns:kml="http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2; >

















Vorteil von xslt ist, das es xml ansich versteht und Änderungen von
Zeilenumbrüche oder allgemein Whitespace, andere Reihenfolge,
Zeichensatz, etc. gegenüber tolerant ist.

Man kann es auch weiter eindampfen wenn z.B. die Formatierung egal ist.

Peter



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[Talk-br] Uso do OSM em http://mapa.consumoresponsavel.org.br/

2017-02-08 Per discussione Daniel d'Andrada Tenório de Carvalho

Bem legal, mas faltou dar crédito ao OpenStreetMap.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social affirmation

2017-02-08 Per discussione Jez Nicholson

Good thinking Christian.

>From the comments we might also monitor the progress of #GeoChicas with
getting more women involved with OSM.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 at 13:22 Christian Ledermann <
christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for crossposting, I thought this is valuable information
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Martin Dittus 
> Date: 8 February 2017 at 00:34
> Subject: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social
> affirmation
> To: HOT List 
>
>
> After my talk at State of the Map in Brussels, Nick Allen asked: are
> newcomers more likely to be retained if we give them positive
> validation feedback? I had no answer at the time, but Tyler kindly
> gave me permission to look at the data to find out. The resulting
> findings are now under peer review, and I will share the full research
> once the process has concluded.
>
> In the meantime, I just posted a diary entry with the key findings:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/40421
>
> Do post a comment in case you have any questions. Or maybe you have
> made your own observations that can contribute to a better
> understanding of the impact of validation?
>
> Greetings from London,
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> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social affirmation

2017-02-08 Per discussione Christian Ledermann

Sorry for crossposting, I thought this is valuable information

-- Forwarded message --
From: Martin Dittus 
Date: 8 February 2017 at 00:34
Subject: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social
affirmation
To: HOT List 

After my talk at State of the Map in Brussels, Nick Allen asked: are
newcomers more likely to be retained if we give them positive
validation feedback? I had no answer at the time, but Tyler kindly
gave me permission to look at the data to find out. The resulting
findings are now under peer review, and I will share the full research
once the process has concluded.

In the meantime, I just posted a diary entry with the key findings:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/40421

Do post a comment in case you have any questions. Or maybe you have
made your own observations that can contribute to a better
understanding of the impact of validation?

Greetings from London,

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<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Public_transport=station sur les gares

2017-02-08 Per discussione Jean-Claude Repetto

Le 08/02/2017 à 13:54, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> Le 08/02/2017 à 10:00, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
>> Salut,
>> Depuis que railway=station a été déprécié pour identifier les gares
> Comment ça "déprécié" ??
> 
> Stf
> 

Oui, pourquoi sa valeur a-t-elle diminué ? (deprecated ne signifie pas
déprécié, c'est un faux-ami. "Déprécié", ça se dit "depreciated" en
anglais).



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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione ael

On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 11:22:30AM +, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 08/02/2017 10:49, Brian Prangle wrote:
> >  It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and
> > actually decided to act on our discussions.

I agree that at least those changes that have not been subsequently
modified by a "legitimate" mapper should be reverted. I thought
something like that was going to happen.

As I have noted before, I have encountered this rubbish in the South
West and have partly corrected some areas where I have directly
surveyed, but it was still problematical. I didn't touch adjacent areas
although I was sure they were wrong.

In the light of these discussion, I now feel more bold about perhaps
just deleting more of this junk unless someone/ some group undertakes
bulkish reversion.

ael

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Public_transport=station sur les gares

2017-02-08 Per discussione Stéphane Péneau


Le 08/02/2017 à 10:00, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :

Salut,
Depuis que railway=station a été déprécié pour identifier les gares

Comment ça "déprécié" ??

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review of Solihull naptan data

Hi everyone

I've found 39 CUS stops that are marked with highway=bus_stop. Over 60%
were edited by reliable mappers so I'd trust our data mostly I think it
will be where CUS stops have been upgraded by TfWM sticking a pole in the
ground.
I think we can live with any anomalies unti an automated edit  updates this
data.

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] TfWM naptan data cleanup

Hi everyone

This week's work has resulted in the following:

1.Removed all bus stop nodes from highways to side of way. These were
mainly in NW of the region. I might not have got the correct side in every
case, but this will be corrected by a later automated edit
2.TfWM's location data is not quite as accurate as we hoped so we haven't
proceeded. We used QGIS to compare the two sets of data on aerial imagery-
where it's  out, it's out by no more than 2-3m. Is there a way of comparing
the  2 sets of data on an OSM dev server somewhere (or other visualisation
service) for the  online community review to see if it's worth proceeding?
Is a better way to quantify this with a proximity script? Anyone know how
to use one? The default is just to accept our current location data.
3.As part of our learning curve, we discovered that we need to export turbo
overpass data as OSM-XML
4. The dataset we have now, ready for upload includes up-to-date route_ref
data for all stops which will be a huge improvement
5. Solihull data has been improved by selecting all naptan stops in OSM
that aren't marked CUS and adding highway=bus_stop tags. We'll have to live
with any of these tags from the 8 year old naptan data not representig
existing stops until we can run an automated edit that selects all the
deleted stops from TfWM's data and deletes  the bus_stop tags. Take a look;
any comments welcome
6. We're using the changeset  description #wmca_naptan_refresh
7. We'll cleanup the Swift Collector data manually  once we've
cross-correlated shelter data to bus stop data as there are only 112 nodes

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-cz] Neaktuální Cs:Map Features ve wiki?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Pavel Cvrček

Ahoj,

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
vs.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Map_Features

V přeložené verzi chybí například celé sekce "shop" a "sport". To mě vedlo
k tomu, že je to asi rozjeté. Všiml jsem si, že některé atributy jsou
popsány v jiných sekcích než v anglické verzi, ale to je spíš detail. Pokud
je překlad aktualizován, pak je má výzva bezpředmětná.

Pavel

Dne 6. února 2017 17:13 Dalibor Jelínek  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
> muzes byt trochu konkretni a napsat, co se ti zda neaktualni?
> Mam za to, ze to aktualizuju prubezne.
>
>  Dalibor
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>  Original message 
> From: Pavel Cvrček 
> Date: 06/02/2017 16:20 (GMT+01:00)
> To: OpenStreetMap Republic 
> Subject: [Talk-cz] Neaktuální Cs:Map Features ve wiki?
>
> Ahoj,
>
> když hledám název tagu např. pro označkování specifičtějšího obchodu,
> používám stránku "Map Features" ve wiki. Jak jsem si všiml, je přeložená
> podoba neaktuální. Nechtělo by se někomu provést aktualizaci? :) (pro mě je
> to nyní mimo mé časové možnosti, max. pomohu menší částí).
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Map_Features
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Utente Fredie e modifiche grossolane

2017-02-08 Per discussione Max1234Ita

'Azz.. l'ho "incontrato" anch'io, mappando alcune aree nella zona di Cornale
(PV).

Stesse ossevazioni, modifiche grossolane, landuse tracciati alla bell'e
meglio, ecc.
Però il suo lavoro ho cercato di rispettarlo: visto che risale a circa 2
mesi fa, pensavo che utilizzasse ortofoto più recenti delle mie
(Bing/MapBox).

Invece ora ho controllato meglio: se anche utilizza fonti "alternative",
tipo Google, lo fa pure male.
ad esempio, ho trovato questa way:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/457702271/history#map=16/45.0615/8.9177

, taggata come /natural=heath/

Sbirciando su Google (immagini dichiarate come "del 2017", anche se non
credo sia totalmente vero), la zona corrispondente è questa:
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.069759,8.9478101,1670m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=it

, e se la si compara con le "vecchie" foto di MapBox si può vedere che
l'aspetto del terreno è leggermente cambiato, ma trattasi di un bosco, che
di certo non è / heath

Sul fatto che i landuse cambino nel tempo posso essere d'accordo: dopotutto
esiste la rotazione ed il tipo di coltura può cambiare di anno in anno. Di
certo, però, se un terreno è /farmland/, è lecito supporre che resterà tale
"per un po' di tempo", indipendentemente dal fatto che ci cresca sopra
frumento, barbabietole o insalatina... a meno di stravolgimenti nella
destinazione d'uso del terreno (peraltro sempre possibili *ovunque*).

Sul fatto che i landuse vengano poi "agganciati" alle strade, e circa la
"trollaggine" dell'individuo (che oltre a devastare sembra pure farsi beffe
delle osservazioni altrui), invece no. Se il tizio non sente ragioni sono
d'accordo anch'io, revert e segnalazione...

A proposito di osservazioni; solo un'ultima: Fredie dice che per lui, su
Navi, i landuse e le strade private sono soltanto sfondo e non
gl'interessano...
Io invece uso OsmAnd e sono proprio quei particolari che mi piace vedere
nella MIA visualizzazione della mappa. Ma non starà mica mappando per il
rendering!?!?! :->

Ciao e buona giornata,
MAx

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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-08 Per discussione Andy Townsend


On 08/02/2017 10:49, Brian Prangle wrote:
 It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and 
actually decided to act on our discussions.


Well I fixed the northern boundary of the Merthyr "Heath" where it 
overlapped with stuff that I was mapping a couple of months ago :)


Seriously, I'd suggest that where people see stuff that's "obviously 
wrong" they either just delete it, or if they think there's any benefit 
in keeping the geometry, removing the tags and adding notes.  It needs 
to be done by people familiar with the area(s) though - I can't really 
help with Snowdonia as I haven't been there recently enough.  If people 
are unsure, shout up on #osm-gb or here - I bet someone will be able to 
help.


If anyone thinks a revert-based approach makes sense for a particular 
changeset or series of changesets and is unfamiliar with the tools 
available, let me know (with a DWG hat on I've had to become familar 
with the various options available).


As an aside, the mapper concerned is blocked again 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1187 for continued failure to 
communicate (including lack of replies to repeated questions about crap 
mapping).  There's circumstantial evidence that they're actually a new 
name for a previous "problem" mapper so please keep an eye open for 
broad-brush changes of this type from other user names too.


Best Regards,

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] frazione Molini - scomparsa

2017-02-08 Per discussione Luca Delucchi

2017-02-08 11:15 GMT+01:00 Davide Ondertoller :
> buongiorno

Buongiorno,

> sto avviando un progetto di mappatura della Valle del Rio Cavallo, mi sono
> accorto che l'intera frazione Molini (comune di Folgaria) non esiste
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=45.90894=11.15273#map=19/45.90887/11.15268
>
> ci sono almeno 8 edifici storici, per il catasto non esistono? impossibile
>

in che senso per il catasto non esistono?

In OSM magari nessuno li ha caricati, puoi farlo te ;-)

> Davide
>

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[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

Hi Brian,

Yes, I would especially second Jerry's good comments in the previous 
discussion thread he started about sticking to a "strict" definition of 
heath as being characterized by species of the Ericacea 
(http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/natural-heath-td5888994.html). This is 
also a quite common definition for heath on topographic maps in other 
countries, e.g. here in the Netherlands where I live.

Marco

Op 8-2-2017 om 11:49 schreef Brian Prangle:

Hi everyone

Looks like a challenge.  We have discussed this before and there were 
lots of very thoughtful and knowledgeable opinions, but no decisions 
on any actions. I kind of got the consensus that many were 
uncomfortable with the spread of heathland landuse data but we never 
decided to do anything about it.  It would be great in my opinion if 
we moved on as a community and actually decided to act on our discussions.

Regards

Brian

On 8 February 2017 at 10:37, Marco Boeringa > wrote:

Hi David,

I know the opinions about the need to create multipolygons are as
diverse as there are political opinions. It was just one example
where these features cause issues. My main question is simply if
there are any plans or ideas by the British community of how to
deal with these features, or if there is any consensus whether
they are desired or not. If not, would the community oppose
someone else removing them?

Marco

On 07/02/17 19:19, Marco Boeringa wrote:
> Lastly, the lack of proper multipolygon creation, means that
other types
> of renderers and styles than Carto, and GIS's like QGIS and
ArcGIS, that
> do not stack features based on size but need multipolygons to
deal with
> polygon-within-polygon problems, have many older detailed features
> covered up by these new ones, as the original data may be hidden
beneath
> the newly added ones.

That' a problem with the renderers.  Multipolygons are difficult for
both (human) editors and (machine) renderers, so only be used where
strictly necessary.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Public_transport=station sur les gares

2017-02-08 Per discussione Gaël Simon

Bonjour Florian,
Peut-être avant de faire une telle modif, voir pourquoi tant d'éléments, la 
SNCF ne gère "que" 3000 gares.

Gaël

Le 8 févr. 2017 à 10:00, Florian LAINEZ  a écrit :

Salut,
Depuis que railway=station a été déprécié pour identifier les gares, je me 
demande si on ne pourrait tout simplement pas rajouter à ces éléments un petit 
tag de derrière les fourrés : public_transport=station 

Je pensais faire ça sur les éléments qui comportent railway=station et 
operator=SNCF soit 7211 éléments en France

Verriez-vous des exceptions qui justifieraient de ne pas faire une telle 
opération ?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

Hi everyone

Looks like a challenge.  We have discussed this before and there were lots
of very thoughtful and knowledgeable opinions, but no decisions on any
actions. I kind of got the consensus that many were uncomfortable with the
spread of heathland landuse data but we never decided to do anything about
it.  It would be great in my opinion if we moved on as a community and
actually decided to act on our discussions.

Regards

Brian

On 8 February 2017 at 10:37, Marco Boeringa  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I know the opinions about the need to create multipolygons are as diverse
> as there are political opinions. It was just one example where these
> features cause issues. My main question is simply if there are any plans or
> ideas by the British community of how to deal with these features, or if
> there is any consensus whether they are desired or not. If not, would the
> community oppose someone else removing them?
>
> Marco
>
> On 07/02/17 19:19, Marco Boeringa wrote:
> > Lastly, the lack of proper multipolygon creation, means that other types
> > of renderers and styles than Carto, and GIS's like QGIS and ArcGIS, that
> > do not stack features based on size but need multipolygons to deal with
> > polygon-within-polygon problems, have many older detailed features
> > covered up by these new ones, as the original data may be hidden beneath
> > the newly added ones.
>
> That' a problem with the renderers.  Multipolygons are difficult for
> both (human) editors and (machine) renderers, so only be used where
> strictly necessary.
>
>
> 
>  Virusvrij.
> www.avast.com
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] frazione Molini - scomparsa

2017-02-08 Per discussione girarsi_liste

ALT!

Me ne sono accorto adesso, probabile un maprulettista ha colpito:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/83206359#map=19/45.90855/11.14947

Vedete se riuscite a farvene un'idea anche voi.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

Hi David,

I know the opinions about the need to create multipolygons are as 
diverse as there are political opinions. It was just one example where 
these features cause issues. My main question is simply if there are any 
plans or ideas by the British community of how to deal with these 
features, or if there is any consensus whether they are desired or not. 
If not, would the community oppose someone else removing them?

Marco

On 07/02/17 19:19, Marco Boeringa wrote:
> Lastly, the lack of proper multipolygon creation, means that other types
> of renderers and styles than Carto, and GIS's like QGIS and ArcGIS, that
> do not stack features based on size but need multipolygons to deal with
> polygon-within-polygon problems, have many older detailed features
> covered up by these new ones, as the original data may be hidden beneath
> the newly added ones.

That' a problem with the renderers.  Multipolygons are difficult for
both (human) editors and (machine) renderers, so only be used where
strictly necessary.

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Re: [Talk-it] Utente Fredie e modifiche grossolane

2017-02-08 Per discussione Fabrizio Tambussa

2017-02-08 10:44 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt :
> Se permettete di intromettermi.
> C'è un solo punto dove devo invitarvi di riflettere, quando scrive:
> "So all that landshape is only a timestamp of 2016 and of very fast
> expiring time, needs a lot of invest to keep actual,"
> Del resto penso che una richiesta di revert ufficiale sia di obbligo se ha
> utilizzato dati Google. Abbiamo una prova per questo?

Fredie e' tedesco, non e' un locale. Dice di usare immagini
satellitari del 2016 perche' Bing è vecchio.
Ha fatto modifiche a zone con palazzi di recente costruzione, ad esempio.
Sospetto fortemente che usi google per confrontare e modificare in
base a quello che vede.

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[Talk-it-trentino] frazione Molini - scomparsa

2017-02-08 Per discussione Davide Ondertoller

buongiorno
sto avviando un progetto di mappatura della Valle del Rio Cavallo, mi sono
accorto che l'intera frazione Molini (comune di Folgaria) non esiste

https://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=45.90894=11.15273#map=19/45.90887/11.15268

ci sono almeno 8 edifici storici, per il catasto non esistono? impossibile

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[Talk-cz] Konference GIVS 2017

2017-02-08 Per discussione Jáchym Čepický


Zdravím všechny,

připomínám konferenci Geoinformace ve veřejné správě 2017 [1]

Příspěvky se uzavírají do 15.2.2017

GIVS je tradiční konference, na které se schází zejména pracovníci ve 
státní a správě a samosprávě. Jedním z hlavních témat jsou i otevřená 
data a jejich další využití, stejně tak otevřený software. Svým 
příspěvkem toto téma podpoříte nebo máte možnost mluvit přímo s 
pracovníky úřadů a prodiskutovat s nimi konkrétní problematiku na místě.


Jáchym

[1] http://www.cagi.cz/konference-givs-2017
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kontrola schématu hromadné dopravy

2017-02-08 Per discussione Petr Kadlec

Ahoj,

2017-02-07 18:45 GMT+01:00 jzvc :

> ja se ani moc nedivim ze to moc nefunguje ...
>
> schvalne jestli neco nevidim ...
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport
>
> 1) trasa (jako top level prvek) je definovama master relaci (kvuli
> variantnim trasam predevsim) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
> wiki/Relation:route_master
> 2) soucasti ty relace jsou vyhradne relace (variant) tras
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route
> 3) soucasti relace trasy jsou uz silnice a zastavky  ale zadny relace
> 4) jenze zastavka muze byt definovana jako relace o mnoha prvcich
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_area
> 5) ovsem ta relace neni definovana jako soucast niceho
>

Ummm… no a? Podle network+ref dohledám route_master. Vezmu všechny jeho
členy (varianty trasy). Pro každou variantu vezmu všechny členy typu
stop[_*], které mi definují seznam zastávek, čímž v každé variantě získám
seznam zastávek této varianty. Mezi jednotlivými variantami ty zastávky
můžu propojit pomocí relací stop_area, jichž jsou členy.

Obecně vzato tím datovým schématem jde popsat extrémně složité kombinace,
které tím primitivním liniovým grafem nemám šanci moc dobře nakreslit
(ostatně už situace více než dvou variant tam–zpět je trochu složitá), ale
s tím se nedá nic moc dělat. V jednoduchém případě na tom principiálně
nevidím nic moc složitého (a ten nástroj, zdá se, zkouší řešit i nějaké
složitější věci, ale nezkoumal jsem, jestli podle nového schématu).

Pokud by někdo chtěl, zdrojáky toho diagramu jsou na
https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/blob/master/src/pt_diagrams/sketch-route-svg.cc
(a
https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/blob/master/src/pt_diagrams/processed_input.cc
pro zpracování vstupních dat). I když tedy je tam taky čtyři roky starý
nezodpovězený dotaz, jestli to vůbec podporuje route_master.
https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/issues/30

Vyzkoušet, co přesně hledá a jaká data dostane, můžete tím, že na konec
toho URL přidáte =yes

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Re: [Talk-it] Utente Fredie e modifiche grossolane

2017-02-08 Per discussione Volker Schmidt

Se permettete di intromettermi.
C'è un solo punto dove devo invitarvi di riflettere, quando scrive:
"So all that landshape is only a timestamp of 2016 and of very fast
expiring time, needs a lot of invest to keep actual,"
Questo è un punto che ho sollevato più volte per il Veneto: i landuse che
importiamo sono spesso  in parte inutili, perché troppo specifici, spesso
già sbagliati al momento dell'import e ancora peggio, quasi impossibili da
mantenere anche se avessimo 100 volte più mappatori attivi, perché noi
non-agricoltori abbiamo difficoltà distinguere grano tenero da grano duro
quando lo vediamo sul campo.
Devo confessare che anche a me, spesso è venuta la voglia di eliminare
tutti questi pezzettini di landuse, sbagliati spesso anche in geometria, ma
non l'ho fatto.
Non approvo, ovviamente il suo metodo, ma anche il mio approccio, cioè di
segnalare ripetutamente il problema agli autori, non ha prodotto nessun
effetto.
Scusate, devo aggiungere che non ho guardati in dettagli i posti in
questione, faccio solo riferimento alla situazione in Veneto

Del resto penso che una richiesta di revert ufficiale sia di obbligo se ha
utilizzato dati Google. Abbiamo una prova per questo?

On 8 February 2017 at 08:35, Fabrizio Tambussa  wrote:

> Sono senza parole.
> Questa e' stata la sua risposta alle mie segnalazioni:
> 
>
> HI Sbir
>
> I've deleted your post without reading.
>
> I've done reflections on my work since you shouted me heavily by just
> changing a ridiculous amount of your work.
> To be honest I must give in that when using OSM data on Navi, me myself
> never interested in the background, just only the conections available.
> So I wonder why I do a lot of effort to add landshape despite I don't
> use it. Indeed I prefer g_earth for planning my biketours. Those sat
> data give me far better feedback about the scale of the roads. OSM here
> sucks a lot.
> So all that landshape is only a timestamp of 2016 and of very fast
> expiring time, needs a lot of invest to keep actual, I 've decided to
> stopp my work along river PO now and here.
> That doesn't mean that I allow to revert my work. It covers only small
> region and you can do what any mapper can do: edit and change whatever
> you think is incorrect.
>
> In future I move back to the roots of OSM mapping, searching for missing
> connectivity, classifying tracks, adding major waterways, reduce
> landshape to wood and farmyard only.
> Further on I won't touch or delete other data, wrong or not, so as you
> correctly accused.
> I apologize for this, no intention to discredit any mappers' work.
> Not yet decided to keep on working region Po plaines or moving to Asia
> where there is a increasing community of bike travelers coming up recently.
>
> Let's be friends in mapping
>
> yours
>
> Fredie
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Re: [Talk-cz] Zalamování řádků v názvech

2017-02-08 Per discussione Lukáš Karas

Děkuji za odkaz. Prostuduji. To zalamování čínštiny vypadá jako pěkně 
zapeklitý problém... 
Některou z okazovaných knihoven bychom mohli začlenit do importu.

Lukáš

Dne středa 8. února 2017 10:09:01 CET Mikoláš Štrajt napsal(a):
> Zdar,
> nedávno se tu řešilo zalamování řádků v názvech (a nezalomitelná mezera).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Na blogu Mapboxu o tomto tématu včera vyšel článek - https://www.mapbox.com/
> blog/balanced-multiline-labels/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Je tam popsané reálné řešení, které v Mapboxu implementovali.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Severák
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[OSM-talk-fr] Rubriques manquantes de la page «éléments cartographiques»

2017-02-08 Per discussione Eric Brosselin - Osm


Bonjour,

Je constate que pas mal  de rubriques de la page 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Éléments_cartographiques ne 
s'affichent plus.
À savoir Sport, Tourisme, Waterway , et tous les "Attributs 
supplémentaires".


Les liens des templates sont bien dans le code et s'affichent d'ailleurs 
tels quels.
J'ai regardé sur d'autres versions de cette page : anglaise, 
allemande,...  il n' y a rien de tel.


Quelqu'un a une idée d'où cela peut venir ?

Éric B.

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[Talk-cz] Zalamování řádků v názvech

2017-02-08 Per discussione Mikoláš Štrajt

Zdar,
nedávno se tu řešilo zalamování řádků v názvech (a nezalomitelná mezera).




Na blogu Mapboxu o tomto tématu včera vyšel článek - https://www.mapbox.com/
blog/balanced-multiline-labels/




Je tam popsané reálné řešení, které v Mapboxu implementovali.




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