Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-15 Thread Mike Collinson 
At 06:37 AM 15/01/2009, D Tucny wrote:
>The namefinder uses 'near' rather than 'in', so you search for "hotels in 
>boracay" would be written as "hotels near boracay", which returns no results 
>for some reason... doing a search for "hotels near manila" returns some 
>results though, so it's at least finding some data (and not all of them have 
>hotel in the name)... I don't know if the name finder uses is_in tags though, 
>I have a feeling it works on distance between objects, so, between a place 
>named boracay and an object tagged with tourism=hotel... (actually 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Search
> suggests that is_in tags are used but, it seems, only when reducing the 
>matches of a place, i.e. "hotels in bonifacio, manila" to avoid matching a 
>place with bonifacio in it's name elsewhere in the world and finding all 
>hotels near there...)

I suspect the reason will be that Boracay is in as an island and the Namefinder 
service is not yet searching place=island - the service is down right now so I 
cannot confirm that.  When it comes up, try 'hotels near Malay"

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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread D Tucny 
2009/1/15 Ed Garcia 

> I was about to post the message below when I was pleasantly surprised to
> discover that this has been addressed now and the enhancement is already on
> the main map web page of OSM...
>
> >>> Gathering all discussions regarding resorts and how to locate them,
> one thing would be really "nice to have" on the OSM main map ... a marker
> icon and perhaps a baloon with info indicating the location of a searched
> item.
>
> This is excellent!  I tried to search one of the schools I added (Tungkong
> Mangga Elementary School) with the keyword tungkong and was so pleased with
> what OSM displayed.
>
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.78758&lon=121.07228&zoom=17&layers=B000FTT
>
> Now perfect for POI searching!
>
> Question ... I tried to search by "vicinity"  like:  "hotels in boracay"
> and it does not show any items.  I was wishing the search can be enhanced so
> that it has the ability to shortlist by category and by location,  I thought
> this would be possible since the POIs will have the tourism=x and is_in:
> tags anyway.  This is how resorts are organized in WaypointsDotPH.  If this
> can be done in OSM, then traveller queries like that of Jim Morgan can
> easily be answered by the search facility of OSM.
>

The namefinder uses 'near' rather than 'in', so you search for "hotels in
boracay" would be written as "hotels near boracay", which returns no results
for some reason... doing a search for "hotels near manila" returns some
results though, so it's at least finding some data (and not all of them have
hotel in the name)... I don't know if the name finder uses is_in tags
though, I have a feeling it works on distance between objects, so, between a
place named boracay and an object tagged with tourism=hotel... (actually
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Search suggests that is_in tags are
used but, it seems, only when reducing the matches of a place, i.e. "hotels
in bonifacio, manila" to avoid matching a place with bonifacio in it's name
elsewhere in the world and finding all hotels near there...)

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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread Ed Garcia 
I was about to post the message below when I was pleasantly surprised to
discover that this has been addressed now and the enhancement is already on
the main map web page of OSM...

>>> Gathering all discussions regarding resorts and how to locate them, one
thing would be really "nice to have" on the OSM main map ... a marker icon
and perhaps a baloon with info indicating the location of a searched item.

This is excellent!  I tried to search one of the schools I added (Tungkong
Mangga Elementary School) with the keyword tungkong and was so pleased with
what OSM displayed.

http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.78758&lon=121.07228&zoom=17&layers=B000FTT

Now perfect for POI searching!

Question ... I tried to search by "vicinity"  like:  "hotels in boracay"
and it does not show any items.  I was wishing the search can be enhanced so
that it has the ability to shortlist by category and by location,  I thought
this would be possible since the POIs will have the tourism=x and is_in:
tags anyway.  This is how resorts are organized in WaypointsDotPH.  If this
can be done in OSM, then traveller queries like that of Jim Morgan can
easily be answered by the search facility of OSM.

cheers
ed

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM, maning sambale  wrote:

> >
> > tourism=hotel
> > name=The Nice Hotel
> > is_in:country=Philippines
> > is_in:state=Xxx Province
> > is_in:island=Panglao
> > is_in:beach=Alona Beach
>
> Excellent example!  I think I've this area a bit.
> I agree we add this info to the POIs.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread maning sambale 
>
> tourism=hotel
> name=The Nice Hotel
> is_in:country=Philippines
> is_in:state=Xxx Province
> is_in:island=Panglao
> is_in:beach=Alona Beach

Excellent example!  I think I've this area a bit.
I agree we add this info to the POIs.

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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread Mike Collinson 
Excellent!  The ability to use OSM data as a national search and location 
resource for overseas tourism promotion provides a serious demonstration of the 
value of what we are doing.

I've mapped in each and every Boracay hotel and just used tourism=hotel but any 
other information, even if you invent your own tags is always useful. It is 
nice to know if I am booking my family into a resort not a short-time hotel :-)

I do not know if it is practical for you but another suggestion is to provide 
as much supplementary information as possible.  It is very easy to write 
scripts to pull out a list of hotels for an area someone is interested in if 
this sort of tagging is used:

tourism=hotel
name=The Nice Hotel
is_in:country=Philippines
is_in:state=Xxx Province
is_in:island=Panglao
is_in:beach=Alona Beach
...

Mike

At 03:05 PM 14/01/2009, Ed Garcia wrote:
>Regarding resorts listed at waypointsdotph ... no problem ... I will have 
>those resorts that have coordinates added to OSM.  Btw, what tag will we use 
>for resorts?  will we simply use Hotel?
>
>As to contact numbers.  You can use the ones listed on the website.  I can 
>give Maning the list.  Though I already tried to ask the resorts that do not 
>have gps coordinates to to send in their coordinates but they usually do not 
>have access to GPS receivers.  And locating and pinpointing their 
>establishments on the current map is not easy either especially for resorts in 
>the provinces.
>
>On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:  
>Great idea!
>Feel free to improve this for the Philippine setting: 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Weekend_mapping_projects/Form_letters
>Some tips in writing press releases: 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Writing_a_press_release
>> It occured to me as I was browsing some of the resorts, that this would be a 
>> good way to get more people hooked in. All the resorts have bad instructions 
>> on how to get there, and most of them are in fairly remote areas. So, if we 
>> were to approach them and suggest that they make sure their bit of the 
>> Philippines is "on the map", then they can use OSM as a resource on their 
>> websites, to make sure that customers (especially ones with GPS!) can find 
>> them.
>Some resorts are in Ed's webpage: 
>www.waypoints.ph
>Maybe Ed can also help us with contacts.  Informal/personal/social 
>contacts sends the message across a lot easier.
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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread Ed Garcia 
Regarding resorts listed at waypointsdotph ... no problem ... I will have
those resorts that have coordinates added to OSM.  Btw, what tag will we use
for resorts?  will we simply use Hotel?

As to contact numbers.  You can use the ones listed on the website.  I can
give Maning the list.  Though I already tried to ask the resorts that do not
have gps coordinates to to send in their coordinates but they usually do not
have access to GPS receivers.  And locating and pinpointing their
establishments on the current map is not easy either especially for resorts
in the provinces.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Great idea!
>
> Feel free to improve this for the Philippine setting:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Weekend_mapping_projects/Form_letters
>
> Some tips in writing press releases:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Writing_a_press_release
>
> > It occured to me as I was browsing some of the resorts, that this would
> be a good way to get more people hooked in. All the resorts have bad
> instructions on how to get there, and most of them are in fairly remote
> areas. So, if we were to approach them and suggest that they make sure their
> bit of the Philippines is "on the map", then they can use OSM as a resource
> on their websites, to make sure that customers (especially ones with GPS!)
> can find them.
>
> Some resorts are in Ed's webpage:
> www.waypoints.ph
>
> Maybe Ed can also help us with contacts.  Informal/personal/social
> contacts sends the message across a lot easier.
>
>
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> cheers,
> maning
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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread maning sambale 
Great idea!

Feel free to improve this for the Philippine setting:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Weekend_mapping_projects/Form_letters

Some tips in writing press releases:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Writing_a_press_release

> It occured to me as I was browsing some of the resorts, that this would be a 
> good way to get more people hooked in. All the resorts have bad instructions 
> on how to get there, and most of them are in fairly remote areas. So, if we 
> were to approach them and suggest that they make sure their bit of the 
> Philippines is "on the map", then they can use OSM as a resource on their 
> websites, to make sure that customers (especially ones with GPS!) can find 
> them.

Some resorts are in Ed's webpage:
www.waypoints.ph

Maybe Ed can also help us with contacts.  Informal/personal/social
contacts sends the message across a lot easier.


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[talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

2009-01-14 Thread Jim Morgan 
Hi,

I was just looking for somewhere for some visiting friends to stay when they 
arrive from Hong Kong during Chinese New Year. I was looking for somewhere in 
Zambales, and of course while I was looking I had a copy of OSM open. 

It occured to me as I was browsing some of the resorts, that this would be a 
good way to get more people hooked in. All the resorts have bad instructions on 
how to get there, and most of them are in fairly remote areas. So, if we were 
to approach them and suggest that they make sure their bit of the Philippines 
is "on the map", then they can use OSM as a resource on their websites, to make 
sure that customers (especially ones with GPS!) can find them.

How about communally drafting out an email which would persuasively put the 
case to them, and making it available here? Then we could all just cut and 
paste it into an email whenever we come across a likely site, and spread the 
word. 

Of course this approach isn't limited to just accommodation or tourist related 
businesses ... 

Jim


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