StartTLS & TLS

[Eddie Castelli]

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Dear readers from 'TB!beta List',

What is the difference of StartTLS (25,110) and TLS (465,995)?
   And
How to know if my Freemail Provider and ISP supports these ports 465 &
995? I've tried to my ISP eMail Server but nothing happen. The Log
Info is not very Informative.

===><=== LOG info
> !17.01.2002, 22:27:22: SEND  - Could not connect to the server
> +17.01.2002, 22:27:22: SEND  - connection finished - 0 of 1 messages sent
> ?17.01.2002, 22:27:22: SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the
> log for details 
===><===


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Re: 1.54 Beta/30

[Eddie Castelli]

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Dear Dierk,

 --->>> Dierk Haasis / Donnerstag 17.01.2002, 21:27:35
1.54 Beta/30


>> [*] Message Ticker view now has a separate title and own column
>> settings

> Yeah!

Where to set it? Didn't find the Properties!

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Re[2]: RTV delays - bughunt feature suggestion!! Yes, MaXxX suggests a feature among bugs! :)

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello MaXxX,

17. januar 2002, 20:58:00, you wrote:

M> Sure enough - but what do you think about the debug-log idea? Not a
M> difficult one to implement (one new form, one string array, several
M> DebugLog('Now we start something...',DEBUGLEVEL_1);  calls to put around
M> in TheBat!)... How's that?

Probably not even a form is needed - just print all the debug info to
stdout or stderr. It's very easy to redirect such output to file...

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Re: smtp authorisation

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dierk,

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 9:07:34 PM you wrote (at least in
part):

DH> The *line* is un-secure, the *data* is secure (if the encryption algorithm
DH> has not been broken). Their is a difference.

As Johannes mailed me OffList too I decided to answer OffList and stop
this thread.

There's only one thing left: with a 'Man in the MIDDLE' neither the
line nor the data will be secure. A 'MITM' is not located at server
side but 'in the Middle' so if he's good enough neither me nor the
server will recognize there's a third party. If he's to dumb we will
and therefore stop talking.

So a MITM-situation is an unsecure one. Without any doubt. Without
restrictions on what is unsecure, it's everything that has made it's
way through the line until MITM is recognized.

I'd like to continue further dicussions on TBTECH, TBOT or even
OffList, not only for not being banned by Marck *g* but foremost
because this discussion ain't a Beta issue any more, it's more a
technical one :-)

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Re: RTV delays

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Leslie,

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 5:07:38 PM you wrote (at least in
part):

LC> It seems to me that the more RAM the system has, the quicker the RTV
LC> displays, which is quite obvious really :)

Could be a fact :-)

63 fonts installed, 512 mebibyte of RAM, 336 free at the moment and a
delay that I'm not able to measure in displaying whatever when using
RTV. I don't know if there's a time difference between PTV (Pay TV?
*G*) and RTV on my system for displaying mails.
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Re: 1.54 Beta/30

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Stefan,

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 7:36:53 PM you wrote (at least in
part):

ST> [-] Some problems with mouse wheel

ACK :-)

ST> [+] List of shortcut conflicts in the shortcut editor

Is this the new extra form?
'Warnings' nevertheless exists, although there aren't necessary
because defined for different tasks.

ST> [-] It was possible to change hierarchy level of a pre-defined folder

"Inbox - Known" does not fell into "pre defined"?
If located as a sub folder of 'Inbox' and named literally "$KNOWN$"
(as per default suggested) it's displayed as '$KNOWN$'. 'Inbox -
Known' is only displayed if this folder is in root level.

ST> [-] Backup was broken in Beta/29

Fix acknowledged :-)
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Re: smtp authorisation

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Johannes!

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 7:13:01 PM you wrote:

[ PC ] ->> - via Internet ---> [POP-Server]
>^^^ <- Versuch, den Kanal mitzuschneiden oder abzuhören

> Dieser Versuch schlägt fehl, da der Kanal per SSL verschlüsselt ist.
> MITM geht folglich nicht, die Daten sind wertlos. Wenn nun aber jemand
> am POP-Server sitzt, wo BTW die eMails *eh* schon *unverschlüsselt*
> vorliegen (!), ergib sich folgendes:

So Peter is right, the line is not "secure" as the MITM can get hold
of the data submitted over the line.

It is quite another question if he can *read* it, or even make sense
out of the data.

The *line* is un-secure, the *data* is secure (if the encryption algorithm
has not been broken). Their is a difference.



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Re: 1.54 Beta/30

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Stefan!

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 7:36:53 PM you wrote:

> [*] Message Ticker view now has a separate title and own column
> settings

Yeah!

> [*] Copying messages with external attachments creates new copies of
> attachments
> [*] Moving messages with external attachments across accounts with
> adjusting location of the attachments

Hey, that was really fast ...

> [+] List of shortcut conflicts in the shortcut editor

Thanks. But there seems to be another bug (it was there before): I
haven't ever changed shortcuts within TB! (except for defining some
system wides, which always functioned alright). In the shortcut editor
window the "Warnings" is unticked. Nonetheless I get a message when
closing that there are some warnings.

Something is wrong here ...




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Re[5]: RTV delays

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Paul,

17. januar 2002, 21:26:01, you wrote:

PAT> Okay, that last statement is not entirely accurate... Just a few minutes
PAT> ago, I tried the RTV again just to see (on an HTML message), and it was very
PAT> fast, no apparent delay! I had a whole bunch of other apps open (MSVC++,
PAT> Dreamweaver, my own app under development, text editor...) at the time. I
PAT> was excited, thinking the problem had been solved (I just dl'ed Beta/30),
PAT> and rebooted my machine to check. After reboot, it was back to being as slow
PAT> as ever, and still is slow now, even after I've opened all the same apps
PAT> again.

I noticed the same thing (when I still had the slow-RTV problem) -
when system was low on resources, RTV suddenly became fast...

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Re[4]: RTV delays

[Paul A. Thiessen]

On Thursday, January 17, 2002, 2:34:03 PM, Paul A. Thiessen wrote:

PAT>>> I have 86 fonts, and I have a 15-sec delay when opening RTV windows.

ST>> What software is running at that time?

PAT> Nothing, aside from the usual accessories in the system tray (including NAV
PAT> 2001). But no "regular" apps open. The delay is independent of the number of
PAT> other things I have going at the same time.

Okay, that last statement is not entirely accurate... Just a few minutes
ago, I tried the RTV again just to see (on an HTML message), and it was very
fast, no apparent delay! I had a whole bunch of other apps open (MSVC++,
Dreamweaver, my own app under development, text editor...) at the time. I
was excited, thinking the problem had been solved (I just dl'ed Beta/30),
and rebooted my machine to check. After reboot, it was back to being as slow
as ever, and still is slow now, even after I've opened all the same apps
again.

This says two things to me: 1) it's not an inherent problem with the system
just being too slow, since it was perfectly fast there for a few minutes,
and 2) that it seems it's actually faster when a lot of system resources are
being consumed. (I think I remember someone on this list mentioning the same
thing a while back...) But it's hard for me to reproduce the change in
delay, so I can't be precise about the conditions.

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Re[2]: The PC Speeker bleep [ot]

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello David,

17. januar 2002, 20:59:33, you wrote:

DE> Ever tried that in a Lap Top ? :)

I did about a week ago - my laptop fell from the chair, and I
completely took it apart. Apart from one screw holder everything was
fine, and it's still working OK (the speaker is connected more or less
in the same way as in my desktop computer - just plug it out and it's
quiet).

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Re: 1.54 Beta/30

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Greetings Stefan

On 17 January 2002 at 20:36:53 +0200 (which was 18:36 where I live) Stefan
Tanurkov might have written

< ... >

I still get the same problem as soon as I start to the beta I get an error
box with the message 'A component named mNewQT_QT_9B9B3D4F already exists'

So sorry I can not test it.

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Re[3]: RTV delays

[Paul A. Thiessen]

On Thursday, January 17, 2002, 1:28:49 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

PAT>> I have 86 fonts, and I have a 15-sec delay when opening RTV windows.

ST> What software is running at that time?

Nothing, aside from the usual accessories in the system tray (including NAV
2001). But no "regular" apps open. The delay is independent of the number of
other things I have going at the same time. It's the same whether I just
rebooted and am running only TB, or have been on for a while with lots of
other stuff (big C++ development software) going.

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Re: 1.54 Beta/30

[Dimitry Andric]

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Hi,

Any chance of being able to delete more than 1 attachment before the
release? I thought this was easy to fix... It's possible with the
release version.

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Re: 1.54 Beta/29

[Andreas Wosgien]

Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 11:51:22 PM, you wrote:

> [*] National characters (not only of the current locale) are shown
> in the message list and the message header if the selected font
> allows it

Yes, but the Euro sign in ISO-8859-15 is still not correctly displayed
in the message list and in the message header.

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Bug report

[Anton I. Danilov]

Mousewheel problems since some of betas:

When message is opened in a separate window and I scroll message list
with mousewheel, the message itself scrolls, too. That behaviour
appears also in main screen sometimes (especially when scrolling log).
And, of course, it is not a permanent behaviour, just flashy.

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Re: The Bat deletes attachments

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Alain,

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:26:57 +0100, Alain de Gevigney
[ADG] wrote concerning 'The Bat deletes attachments':
...
AdG> 1) create an account 'test_FA' with attachments stored in special
AdG> directory

I was trying the same too, but I get a error message when I select
keep attachment files in a special directory and want to specify a
directory where TB! should store the attachments. I get a pop-up
message saying "Error setting path C:/program files/.../Attach".

When I browse the folder of the account in Explorer there is no attach
directory created. And when I check the messages.tbb file I can see
that the attachments are inside the messages.

What's going wrong here?

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Macro expansion in MAss mailing template unreliable?

[Graham Foster]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/29
  Serial Number F0060E1D
  under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:
The % macros are not reliably expanded when using the Mass mailing
template.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:
  - Create an address book subgroup
  - Populate entries with e-mail address, and fax number (it was just
  somewhere to hold information from a database search)
  - run the following QT
> %SUBJECT="XLFit license survey"
> Hi
> The computer identified as %abtofax was logged onto by you since Xmas,
> and the computer had a copy of XLFit on it. Please can you reply and
> confirm if you actually use XLFit on %abtofax.
.. etc
When this message was sent out (to 60 recipients) many of them
reported that the %abtofax field was occasionally blank. They forwarded their
messages to me and I can confirm that 1 or more of the %abtofax
replacements were omitted. Some people received the whole thing, other
the last one was missing, some had all of the references missing.

Mmmh - not a great performance? Is it a bug or is it usererror?
Example duff message
> Hi
> The computer identified as TP0041745 was logged onto by you since Xmas,
> and the computer had a copy of XLFit on it. Please can you reply and
> confirm if you actually use XLFit on 
Note the last substitution is missing,
> Hi
> The computer identified as  was logged onto by you since Xmas,
> and the computer had a copy of XLFit on it. Please can you reply and
> confirm if you actually use XLFit on .
Note BOTH substitutions are missing :-)

Regards,
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Re: The Bat! - bug report: tmp files which are not removed

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Jonas,

JK> The Bat creates TMP files and does not delete them.
JK> See attached screenshot.

Please specify when those files appear exactly. There are too many
where temporarily files are used and in most cases they ARE deleted.
On my system, for example, no bat*.TMP files are left. So, you should
do/have something specific...



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RTV delays

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hi All,

  I just wanted to ask those people who has problems with sluggish
  RTV: how many fonts are installed on your system?


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Re: The Bat deletes attachments

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Alain de Gevigney wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> I try it but couldn't agree with you:
> here is how I test it:
> 1) create an account 'test_FA' with attachments stored in special directory
> 2) create 2 sub-folders in Inbox
>- Test_FA_1
>- Test_FA_2
> 3) add 2 filters to dispatch messages in sub-folders
> 4) sent 2 messages with the same file attached: ADRESSES.DOC
> [...]

Thank you for your elaborate tests, I appreciate it. But you neglected one
specification. I am talking about *one* received message that gets
duplicated after having been downloaded.

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Re[2]: Ritlabs SecureBat! - bug report - Forward Flag not being set.

[David Elliott]

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Salutation David

On 17 January 2002 at 09:13:53 + (which was 09:13 where I live) David
Elliott thoughtfully wrote the following

DE>>> Forward Flag not being set on all messages.

ST>> This one has been fixed last year :-)

DE> I had thought that it had been seen before.

DE> I am sorry to say that I can reproduce this on both SecureBat! Version 1.54
DE> Beta/15/iKey1000 and The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/24. I would like to test it
DE> on Beta 29 but I can not upgrade it. (see separate message)

I think that I have found the key to the problem.

Create a new folder.
move / copy in three messages.
Highlight them all.
forward them in one message as attached email's
Send.

Check the flags.

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Re: BugTraq (was: Can not backup)

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Alastair,
On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:59:54 [GMT +], you wrote:

>>Where can I see BugTraq?

> https://bt.ritlabs.com/ ...

Just a small suggestion to the moderators:

Maybe this could be added to the mailing list footer. Because there is
no place where someone who missed Stef's first announcement could get
that information from.

I'd even take it one step further and distribute new betas only via the
the BugTraq site, with only an announcement of the changes to the list,
and the URL could be accessible from the first page after the login.

What do you think?

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Re: National characters - nearly there

[Alastair Scott]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:43:12 +0100, Alinda Helleman wrote:

>If you want to set the font for the message list, go to:
>
>Message | Colour Group | Edit Colour Groups | Font
>
>Yeah, it is rather hidden and suggests it is associated with the
>various colours which it isn't, but it works fine for me to change
>the
>font of the message list.

Gosh, that is a deviously placed button! Thanks :)

Q: will I get my head knocked off by RITLabs for calling that a
"usability bug" and daring to suggest that it is moved to Options |
Preference | System (Fonts area on the tab)? ;)

Alastair




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Re:Can not backup.

[Alastair Scott]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:49:15 +, Sergey Uvarov wrote:

>Where can I see BugTraq?

https://bt.ritlabs.com/ ... set up your username and password and
start raising or confirming (or not confirming) them. There are
plenty out there waiting to be found !

Alastair

PS I'm using PocoMail 2.5 just to see what the competition's like ;)



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Re: The Bat deletes attachments

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Alain,

On Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:26:57 AM you wrote (at least in part):

AdG> I try it but couldn't agree with you:
AdG> here is how I test it:
[...]
AdG> 4) sent 2 messages with the same file attached: ADRESSES.DOC

As you already have set up a test account, would you test this:

- do not send two messages with same attachment, but only one.
- _Copy_ this one message after receiving from "Test_FA_1" to
  "Test_FA_2".
- have a look what attachments are in attachment directory, from
  Markus description I'd guess: one: ADDRESSES.DOC
- have another look into .tbb-files and I assume you'll find someting
  like "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Test_FA\Attach\ADRESSES.DOC" in
  both of them.
- delete one message of this two, referring to the same attachment
- if Markus is right the attachment will disappear (may after purging
  Trash folder)

This is the reason why 'hard links' or 'index counts' would have to be
introduced when continuing the possibility of storing attachments in a
separate directory.
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Re: The Bat deletes attachments

[Alain de Gevigney]

Hello Markus,

 On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, at 10:21:22 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:21 where I live) you wrote:

MG> Hi,

MG> it would be nice if somebody would verify the following behavior.

MG> A message with an attachment exists twice in two separate folders (this
MG> not the problem but intentional), when one of it gets deleted (or moved?),
MG> the attachment gets lost.

MG> The account is set to store attachments in a separate folder and to delete
MG> messages when they are removed from the Trash.

MG> Could it be that when one copy of the message gets moved to the trash and
MG> deleted the Bat is not aware of a second copy existing and simply deletes
MG> the attachment?

I try it but couldn't agree with you:
here is how I test it:
1) create an account 'test_FA' with attachments stored in special directory
2) create 2 sub-folders in Inbox
   - Test_FA_1
   - Test_FA_2
3) add 2 filters to dispatch messages in sub-folders
4) sent 2 messages with the same file attached: ADRESSES.DOC
5) verify:
5.1) diff attachment ?
   found 2 identical files in the Test_FA\attach directory:
 - ADRESSES.DOC
 - ADRESSES1.DOC
   in Test_FA\Inbox\Test_FA_1\Messages.tbb I found:
,- [ ]
| X-Content-File: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Test_FA\Attach\ADRESSES1.DOC
| Content-Type: application/msword; name="ADRESSES.DOC"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
| Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ADRESSES.DOC"
'-
   in Test_FA\Inbox\Test_FA_2\Messages.tbb
,- [ ]
| X-Content-File: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Test_FA\Attach\ADRESSES.DOC
| Content-Type: application/msword; name="ADRESSES.DOC"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
| Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ADRESSES.DOC"
'-
5.2) del attachment:
 I delete the message in Test_FA_1 and remove it from Trash, the only
 file that was remove from the attachment directory was ADRESSES1.DOC

Regards, Alain
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Bug with deleting messages from thread

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello TBBETA Members!

  "I think I've got it ..."

  I hope everyone remembers the problem: I couldn't delete some
  messages with just one hit of ; that just moved me to the next
  message in the thread.

  Now, with beta 29 the default for threading was like the official
  version, I just set it back to "Oldest message first" and - boom -
  got into "trouble" again. I tried to delete a message which at that
  moment was the first in a thread, it only got me to the next one. I
  had to go back and delete it again.

  I hope I am right, can anyone confirm, so RITLabs can squash that
  bastard?


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Re:Can not backup.

[Sergey Uvarov]

Dear Marek,
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, at 00:23:38 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:23 where I
live)  you wrote:


MM> this bug was added to bugtraq this morning and Stef fixed it, as I
MM> saw. Please wait for Beta/30.
Beta NNN:
[-] old bugs
[+] new bugs
[*] some bugs renamed to features :-)


Where can I see BugTraq?


mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Best regards,  Dr. Sergey Uvarov 
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Re: National characters - nearly there

[Alinda Helleman]

Hello Anton,

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:09:15 +0300 GMT (which was 17/01/2002, 01.09
+0100 GMT where I live), Anton I. Danilov wrote this about "National
characters - nearly there":

AS>>> Q1: where is the message list font set?

>> Look under Options | Preferences, tab System, group-box Fonts.

AID> There is no preference for the message list font... Or I'm missing
AID> something?

If you want to set the font for the message list, go to:

Message | Colour Group | Edit Colour Groups | Font

Yeah, it is rather hidden and suggests it is associated with the
various colours which it isn't, but it works fine for me to change the
font of the message list.

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Re: The Bat deletes attachments

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Stefan Tanurkov wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> This is why we give you a choice: either keep attachments in body and
> have no problems whatsoever (maybe speed, but really big attachments do
> not come often)

How do you know that? Are you going to add a sticker to the Bat! package
saying: May cause file loss if you try to organize attachments separately.
Do not use with big attachments!

Every 1st of a month I get a mail with a 8 MB attachment. I store this in
two separate folders. In one folder messages are deleted after five days.
The other folder keeps messages indefinitely. Every six months or so I
delete the attachments from the Attachments directory. I need to keep the
messages as a proof of having received them. To my surprise attachments
were already gone the time a copy of the message had been removed from my
short-term folder.

> or keep attachments separately and live with limitations this way gives.

'Limitations' is hardly the right word. It works when my POP server feeds
me dupes and I un-dupe folders. This works because every message gets its
own internal ID, even if it is a dupe. Why not create a new ID when a
message gets copied and have references between attachments and messages?

How does it currently work? How does the Bat 'know' which attachment
belongs to which message? Obviously some logic is already in place since
separate attachments with the same name get unique file names.

Regards,

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Re: Beta 29 still flags DrWatson on shutdown

[Graham Foster]

Hello Chris

> Same error as earlier betas when closed under NT4 SP6 No apparent long
> term harm, but annoying.
Confirmed.. but not every time. It is also different in that it is not
related to having received messages.. (at least not under IMAP)

  
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Can not run Beta 29

[David Elliott]

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Hi TBBETA,

I usually just run SecureBat! I do have The Bat! installed.

The last beta that I was running of The Bat! was 1.54 Beta/24.

I upgraded to Beta/29. When I run this beta I get 'A component named
mNewQT_QT_9B9B3D4F already exists'


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Re: Ritlabs SecureBat! - bug report - Forward Flag not being set.

[David Elliott]

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Hi Stefan

On 16 January 2002 at 00:27:36 +0200 (which was 22:27 where I live) Stefan
Tanurkov emanated these words of wisdom

DE>> Forward Flag not being set on all messages.

ST> This one has been fixed last year :-)

I had thought that it had been seen before.

I am sorry to say that I can reproduce this on both SecureBat! Version 1.54
Beta/15/iKey1000 and The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/24. I would like to test it
on Beta 29 but I can not upgrade it. (see separate message)

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