Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 2:00:23 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: ST> Virtual Folders is a way to save search results together with search ST> conditions. And it will be possible to search within those folders. ST> Are you talking about something else? No. The above capability will do just fine. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Dear Greg, ST>> Did you look at "Edit|Use previous conditions" menu of the Finder? ST>> Beer? ;-) GS> This is a *history* of searches which is only the last 9 searches. Correct. But it was the answer to request to keep settings for search. They are kept in this way now. Hopefully, it would save a couple of minutes for those who needs it before Virtual Folders get implemented. :-) M>>> What if we could define a special kind of Global Folders, let's call M>>> them Virtual Folders, that their Properties had only the General and M>>> Memo tabs PLUS the Options and Advances tabs of Message Finder? We could M>>> then run a search and see the results on the main window with messages M>>> listed on the list pane and viewed in the preview pane. Ideal for me! ST>> It's already in works now. Sounds like you have a hidden camera in our ST>> office or something like that ;-) GS> Will the capability to *save* a search be included? Virtual Folders is a way to save search results together with search conditions. And it will be possible to search within those folders. Are you talking about something else? -- Regards, Stefan ..."There is nothing new under the sun, but there are lots of old things we don't know." - Ambrose Bierce pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Folder View Modes
The viewmodes have become better and better. On the other hand, they are still missing the possibility to configure the thread internal sorting. And the dialog structure and naming is not the best (e.g. "new thread sorting"). New folders should have the "use parent folder column settings" as default. -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 2.04.4 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Kaspersky Antivirus Personal Pro With The Bat! V. 2.04.04
Hi listers, I contacted Kaspersky Labs to find out when the release of the antivirus plugin will be. They will release it as soon as possible. They have sent a beta of this plugin to me. Users of Kaspersky Antivirus Personal Pro could send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to ask for this plugin. Everybody tests it on his own risk. -- Regards, Ali Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
New versions (was: OT: Access Violation in View Mode management dialog)
Hello list, On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:05:13 +0700 GMT (25/02/2004, 00:05 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: >>> Did I miss the announcement of this version? I just used the Message >>> Finder in addition to my aging memory, but also without success. >> This is a final, which means no announcement in TBB. [...] > Thanks. Downloaded it from the Ritlabs site. I received a PM that suggested that final versions should be announced on this list as well. I second that strongly (if there is such a thing a seconding anything "strongly", but you get my point). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Police Departments give their officers personality tests to make sure they are deliberately assigned a partner who is their total opposite. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Folder View Modes
Hello Anne, On 24 Feb 2004 at 23:06:57 + GMT [00:06 CET] you wrote: C>> I STILL think, given the number of questions asked here by people who C>> are enthusiasts and beta testing the app, it is obvious that View Modes C>> usage is FAR from intuitive, and someone coming to TB as a new user will C>> have serious problems with them. A> Agree wholeheartedly Chris... I think their complexity will scare A> off some new TB! users. As I said, I was ready to give up and go A> back a version to be able to see things the way I want to. A A> rethink of some of the options (there seems to be far too many A> ways to invoke them!) might be a sensible idea? I disagree. The intuitiveness of the bat's view mode implentation has increased a good deal since the feature turned up the first time in a beta. I don't think that's the problem. I don't think the various places where you can apply them is the problem either. You can set them from within preferences, folder properties, the message list, and folder and view menus. all of these places are logical. All of them make sense. Somebody wants to apply a view mode so (s)he goes to any of these places and does it. (S)he doesn't need to woryy about the other places. Think the opposite: Somewhere you can't set it where you would expect it. You would need to search elsewhere desperately trying to find it. The implementation is not the problem. It's inuitive in my opinion. Changes have been made since 2.02 but now it should stay that way. It'd certainly confuses people if view modes changed with every new version just because people still have problemes with it. Most of the time when somebody has problems with view modes somebody on the lists explains the concept to her/him, especially the difference betrween folder and global view modes. Normaly the person is then able to solve the problems. So the interface is not the difficult thing but the underlying concept. There needs to be a chapter in the help file which extensively explains viewmodes, how to apply them, how to spread them across folders and the differences folder versus global. Complex features are nothing new to the bat users. The reason the bat is so powerful is because of it's complex features. The downside of this is that some things just need explaination. How many users have posted on tbudl that they learn so much just from reading the list. That they learn new things even after a quite long usage of the program. View modes is one of these features that at first may be a bit difficult to master but as soon as you do all their power is at your disposal. -- Cheers, Andre "If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 10:53:27 AM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: M>> I am sure we all more or less often repeat certain certain searches for M>> messages in several (or all) folders, like find all messages in a Colour M>> Group, From/To someone, with certain keywords in subject, etc., etc. ST> Did you look at "Edit|Use previous conditions" menu of the Finder? ST> Beer? ;-) This is a *history* of searches which is only the last 9 searches. M>> What if we could define a special kind of Global Folders, let's call M>> them Virtual Folders, that their Properties had only the General and M>> Memo tabs PLUS the Options and Advances tabs of Message Finder? We could M>> then run a search and see the results on the main window with messages M>> listed on the list pane and viewed in the preview pane. Ideal for me! ST> It's already in works now. Sounds like you have a hidden camera in our ST> office or something like that ;-) Will the capability to *save* a search be included? To me the ability to *save* a search is different than having *history* of last 9 searches especially when you use your message base as a resource of information. Sometimes you can't find what your looking for immediately and you need numerous searches. In this situation the history does not really help much except document what did NOT work rather than what did work. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Hello Stefan, M>> I am sure we all more or less often repeat certain certain searches for M>> messages in several (or all) folders, like find all messages in a Colour M>> Group, From/To someone, with certain keywords in subject, etc., etc. > > Did you look at "Edit|Use previous conditions" menu of the Finder? Errr... NO! Or at least I didn't remember. I guess I'm human, like everybody else . > Beer? ;-) Of course! A couple of them! :) > It's already in works now. Sounds like you have a hidden camera in our > office or something like that ;-) Oh! Am I glad to hear those words! No, no camera ;-) But given present functionality its is just a "logical next step" in the development. In case you don't know, although I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years now, I was in software development for over 25 and have taken these "logical steps" many times. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Access Violation in View Mode management dialog
Hello Richard, On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:57:34 +0100 GMT (24/02/2004, 23:57 +0700 GMT), Richard Anders wrote: >> Did I miss the announcement of this version? I just used the Message >> Finder in addition to my aging memory, but also without success. > This is a final, which means no announcement in TBB. Look on > http://www.batboard.de, http://www.thebatworld.de, > http://www.batworld.de, http://www.ritlabs.com or the German Profi > mailinglist for an announcement. Thanks. Downloaded it from the Ritlabs site. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der Brite gibt sein Geld pfundweise aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Kill dupes
Hello Allie, On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:43:46 -0500 GMT (24/02/2004, 23:43 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: >> Can nobody else confirm this? Send a message to yourself, put your own >> address into both the CC and the BCC. See how the messages is >> downloaded again and again at each mailcheck. > What do you mean here? That there's always a copy on the server with > each check? I always leave copies on the server for 7 days. When I send messages from my office (I am talking about my private account), I BCC to myself, so I can download it at home. Some message where I reply to all, already have my address in the CC field, so the reply template adds an additional BCC. So that message will be on the server twice, with the same mid. It will be downloaded at home, but one of the two will be marked as "Receive" in the message despatcher at next check. (I don't usually use the despatcher, but verified this problem that way.) If I take the mark off, it will be set again at next mail check. so the message (one copy of two on the server) will be downloaded again at each mailcheck. > I can't duplicate this problem and it likely is that you have a filter > that's sending back a copy to the server and as a result a delivery loop > is underway. See above. At mailcheck, there is no filter sending it back. Have you verified that the message is on your server twice to begin with? TB checks the UID and not the mid to decide whether a message has been downloaded already. The UID should be different for each of the two copies on the server, so both copies should be downloaded once. I don't know why the Receive flag is set again each time, but only for one of the two existing copies of the message on the server. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes; why can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance ? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Access Violation in View Mode management dialog
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 17:17 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Fixed in 2.04.7. > Did I miss the announcement of this version? I just used the Message > Finder in addition to my aging memory, but also without success. This is a final, which means no announcement in TBB. Look on http://www.batboard.de, http://www.thebatworld.de, http://www.batworld.de, http://www.ritlabs.com or the German Profi mailinglist for an announcement. -- Richard Anders Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Hello MAU, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 5:52:25 PM, you wrote: M> I am sure we all more or less often repeat certain certain searches for M> messages in several (or all) folders, like find all messages in a Colour M> Group, From/To someone, with certain keywords in subject, etc., etc. Did you look at "Edit|Use previous conditions" menu of the Finder? Beer? ;-) M> What if we could define a special kind of Global Folders, let's call M> them Virtual Folders, that their Properties had only the General and M> Memo tabs PLUS the Options and Advances tabs of Message Finder? We could M> then run a search and see the results on the main window with messages M> listed on the list pane and viewed in the preview pane. Ideal for me! It's already in works now. Sounds like you have a hidden camera in our office or something like that ;-) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Kill dupes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Fernandez wrote: > Can nobody else confirm this? Send a message to yourself, put your own > address into both the CC and the BCC. See how the messages is > downloaded again and again at each mailcheck. What do you mean here? That there's always a copy on the server with each check? I can't duplicate this problem and it likely is that you have a filter that's sending back a copy to the server and as a result a delivery loop is underway. - -- Regards, Allie Martin - -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.02 iD8DBQFAO38799Uk9gEHIdwRAnySAKDJT2Bn58C9wMxNj18sAZO0crbCCACglmcM NSeC+G2IUVsCw65sqrA4DKk= =pHyc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches
Hello George, > According to Stefan, one of the features of 2.1 will be search (virtual) folders. I didn't know. But I have seen a message from him in TBUDL where he mentions Virtual Folders and I have replied to him with a Ops! message. Do you know if my proposal is similar to what he has in mind? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with address auto-completion
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Re: Access Violation in View Mode management dialog
Hello Richard, On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:40:39 +0100 GMT (24/02/2004, 20:40 +0700 GMT), Richard Anders wrote: > Fixed in 2.04.7. Did I miss the announcement of this version? I just used the Message Finder in addition to my aging memory, but also without success. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My parents put us to sleep by tossing us up in the air. Of course, you have to have low ceilings for this method to work. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Kill dupes
Hello TBBETA, On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:09:41 +0700 GMT (13/02/2004, 21:09 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: >> When I send private mails from my office, I BCC to myself, so that I >> get a copy when I download mails at home. By mistake, my address was >> both in the CC and th BCC. So when I downloaded mails at home, I got >> two copies. >> No problem, "kill dupes". One of the messages was deleted, as >> expected. >> When online at home, I check mail every 10 minutes. The deleted >> message was downloaded every time! > This is still true in 2.04RC/2. Still true with 2.04.4, both under Win98 and XP Pro. Can nobody else confirm this? Send a message to yourself, put your own address into both the CC and the BCC. See how the messages is downloaded again and again at each mailcheck. Since it is happening to me on both computers and under different OS'es, it is either TB itself, or it is my email provider (GMX). I haven't tested it with another provider, but will if nobody can confirm. Thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight." Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
