Re: V2.12b6 : password protected account not functional

[9Val]

Hello Peter,

PO> using V2.12.b6 I notice a password protected account (this one) opening
PO> / expanding its folder tree / being accesible all by itself after TB
PO> startup.

PO> Any confirmation?
Tried  to  select  password  protected  account,  quit  program, after
restart  it  remained  closed. Just talked with Stef, perhaps we found
possible place of error

PO> To 9Val: any relation to the combination of password protected accounts
PO> with VF's, as encountered before ?
Think it is not related with VFs (previous was related with AB)

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Pictures in the header

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I've had a bit of a play with this and was thinking that in many cases
all that I might have for an individual is details of their company.
I usually put all addresses for an organisation in to the same AB
group. It would be nice if I could assign an image to the AB group
and have /that/ image displayed in the case of the lack of an
individual's piccy.

I know I can assign the company logo to each individual but ...

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Re[2]: BT Password Reset

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Peter,

   On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:45:08 +0200 (01.07.2004 22:45 my local time),
   received Friday, July 2, 2004 at 9:44:18 +0600,
   you wrote about "BT Password Reset",
   at least in part:

PM> That's indeed bad style to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounce...
This alias was lost in time-jungles somethere, and now replaced in BT
with separate live-address

PM> Chances are that Alexander Leschinsky will read your post and help you
PM> out.
Yes, I can, but without username| passord it's rather hard

BTW - it's posible now to add real names into bugtrack's profile - with
this add-on life will be more easier for me :-)

PM> You're absolutely right IMO. All users should be able to change their
PM> passwords
They can do it now (under "My account" after login)

PM>  or apply for a new one on their own.
I'll try implement "reset pass" on login-page - there are some troubles
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Re: Bug in displaying photos from AB

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear 9val,

@2-Jul-2004, 00:58 +0300 (01-Jul 23:58 UK time) 9Val said to
Richard:

RA>> 2. Can you reproduce the two bugs and fix it?
> I'll try :)

One more bug. If you open the AB entry for the sender of a message
(right click and 'Add to AB' when person exists) and try to change
the AB photo to a gif file, TB gives an AV error at 443597.

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Beta6 - Replacement

[Ethan J. Mings]

Is there a time line for a fix on the current Beta6.  I cannot test it
given all of the tick boxes in the dispatch are missing making it
impossible to screen my incoming mail.

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Re[2]: message ticker JUMPS after deleting a message

[9Val]

Hello Paul,

PC> I'm not sure when, but it SEEMS to have disappeared in this beta...
So? Has it disapperead?

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insert picture as attachment

[Wallner 'Waces' Tamas]

Dear All,
Is there any possible solution to attach a screenshot easily into a
new message?
I use a quite boring solution for this (alt+prntscrn - open paint -
paste from clipboard - save as jpg - attach jpg).
So, I'm looking for a one move solution (like in Outlook).
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Re: Bug in displaying photos from AB

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Marck,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:51:15 +0200GMT(02.07.2004, 12:51 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

> One more bug. If you open the AB entry for the sender of a message
> (right click and 'Add to AB' when person exists) and try to change
> the AB photo to a gif file, TB gives an AV error at 443597.

confirmed here

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Re: insert picture as attachment

[marco]

Hello Wallner,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 2:08:13 PM, you wrote:

WWT> Is there any possible solution to attach a screenshot easily into a
WWT> new message?

alt-prtscrn, new message, options, format, html only or html/text,
paste   :)

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Re: insert picture as attachment

[Wallner 'Waces' Tamas]

Dear marco,
Friday, July 2, 2004, 2:14:10 PM, you wrote:
m> Hello Wallner,
m> Friday, July 2, 2004, 2:08:13 PM, you wrote:
WWT>> Is there any possible solution to attach a screenshot easily into a
WWT>> new message?
m> alt-prtscrn, new message, options, format, html only or html/text,
m> paste   :)
thx. i'll try :)
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Re: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello 9Val,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:59:02 +0300 UTC, 9Val wrote:

9> In the account folder create protocol.ini add the following lines:
9> [IMAP]
9> logging=1
9> log=log_file_name

Thanks.

9>>> Open  rogues.msl (from Leif) and put following string *before* Smiley=

CMG>> Why?

9> Why to add?
9> Don't you prefer to see sender of message not only name?

No. The only reason why I bought TB! was for it's quoting capabilities.
The rest is textmode, so no smilies, nothing. Sort of like Mutt for
Windows.

After I bought it, IMAP became more and more of a problem. Now, beta/1
doesn't even start up anymore and I'm back to the previous version.

I'd like to get the serious features tackled first before adding (what I
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Re: Setting flags takes 30 seconds

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello 9Val,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:02:45 +0300 UTC, 9Val wrote:

CMG>> Ah, right. Maildir is server-side (instead of mail spool file) and I'm
CMG>> accessing it using IMAP.

9> Perhaps same thing as in:
9> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
9> and in
9> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

These messages have been expunged already.

9> Do you know which server is used?

Yes, Courier IMAP 3.0.5 without FAM support. I administer it myself so
if you have questions, fire away!

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Repeats (was: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 is now available)

[Wolffe]

Greetings BatPeople,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 1:53:42 AM, Martin wrote:

>>> [+] UI  : header pane shows photo for sender presented in AddressBook
>>
M> Yeah, same here. I posted this to another subthread here (didn't realize
M> that you posted that before).

Which is why there are so many requests to _CHANGE_THE_SUBJECT_ to
reflect what you are talking about.

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Re[2]: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag

[9Val]

Hello Charles,

9>> Why to add?
9>> Don't you prefer to see sender of message not only name?

CMG> No. The only reason why I bought TB! was for it's quoting capabilities.
CMG> The rest is textmode, so no smilies, nothing. Sort of like Mutt for
CMG> Windows.
BTW, nobody makes you to use smileys and AB-photos.

CMG> After I bought it, IMAP became more and more of a problem. Now, beta/1
CMG> doesn't even start up anymore and I'm back to the previous version.
Don't  think  so... IMHO (and some users confirm) IMAP becomes usable,
not so quickly as we wish, but ...

CMG> I'd like to get the serious features tackled first before adding (what I
CMG> called) Christmas tree ornaments.
Hmm, I understand what you mean. So, try to get my point of view. IMAP
(and  other  serious features) has higher priority, but ... I'm just a
man,  and  sometimes  it  is so boring to debug and fix, and debug and
fix, and again debug and again fix... Sometimes I need to do something
else  (something what I like not what I have to do) to have a rest and
to  get  new  and  recent  ideas.  If  not  -  my productivity greatly
decreases.  It  is  quite  difficult  for  me  to be serious all time.
Christmas  features  take  no  more than few hours but give energy for
weeks.

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Re: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag

[Foster, Graham]

Hello Charles

> I'd like to get the serious features tackled first before adding (what I
> called) Christmas tree ornaments.
I (and others) would strongly support you on this. This beta series
release was originally slated as a bugfix series, but sadly seems to have
been overtaken with "eye candy" features.

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Re[2]: Setting flags takes 30 seconds

[9Val]

Hello Charles,

CMG>>> Ah, right. Maildir is server-side (instead of mail spool file) and I'm
CMG>>> accessing it using IMAP.

9>> Perhaps same thing as in:
9>> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
9>> and in
9>> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

CMG> These messages have been expunged already.
Sorry...  Do  you  mean  that messages I pointed have been expunged or
messages which took long time to mark have been expunged?

9>> Do you know which server is used?

CMG> Yes, Courier IMAP 3.0.5 without FAM support. I administer it myself so
CMG> if you have questions, fire away!
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Re[2]: V2.12b6 : password protected account not functional

[9Val]

Hello Markus,

MG> The Bat hung/crashed while I tried to create a new (IMAP) folder in a
MG> password protected account (I'll post a separate mail about this). I had
MG> to kill it from the taskmanager. When I restarted the Bat the account
MG> was selectable without entering the password.

MG> Is this by design, or is there nothing that can be done against this?
Surely  it  is  not  by design, but I don't know the reason. It is not
reproducable for me (may be because of some today's fixes)

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Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6

[Richard Anders]

Hello Prezes,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 17:03 you wrote at 
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> What is your fantastic glyphs? Where can I download it?

On his homepage:
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or
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Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6

[Markus Wilhelm]

Hi 9Val,

Friday, July 2, 2004 
you forced some electrons to form words like:

> Beta/6  was  released  about  22  hours  ago.  Do  you  think  Ritlabs
> programmers waste time for sleeping? ;)
No way! :-))

> Seriously  it  was  fixed  about hour ago, like some other glitches in
> account managment introduced in Beta/6
Now I see...




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Re: V2.12b6 : password protected account not functional

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

9Val wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Surely  it  is  not  by design, but I don't know the reason. It is not
> reproducable for me (may be because of some today's fixes)

Perhaps this observation helps: it works with POP3 accounts and fails
for my IMAP account.

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Re[2]: V2.12b6 : password protected account not functional

[9Val]

Hello Markus,

MG> Perhaps this observation helps: it works with POP3 accounts and fails
MG> for my IMAP account.
I know, you have mentioned it in previous post :)

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flags and photo

[Roland Burger]

Hi,

it seems that, if someone use flags and photo, the photo is not anymore in the header!

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Peter,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:34:26 -0400 UTC, Peter Gannushkin wrote:

PG> Once again, nobody feels upset when some bells and whistles arrive in
PG> the program which is stable and functioning well. But when it has real
PG> problems seeing new pretty but not so useful features introduced makes
PG> people worry about the future of your product. Great product, by the
PG> way.

That is exactly what I said. I don't care if people make a blinking
interface (albeit configurable :), but don't tell me IMAP has priority
and ...

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Using Val9's glyphs [was Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Richard,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 10:19:37 AM, you wrote:

Prezes>> What is your fantastic glyphs? Where can I download it?

RA> On his [9Val's] homepage:
RA> http://www.batworld.de
RA> or
RA> 
http://www.batworld.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=listarticles&secid=3

I'm taking this to TBOT, where we are desperately searching for .gif
sources which come without possible copyright-violation worries.
To upload to the pcwizesmileys page.

http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php

Surely we can have permission from 9Val to use  a few of his. 9Val?  :)

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Re: Using Val9's glyphs [was Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6]

[9Val]

Hello Mary,

RA>> On his [9Val's] homepage:
RA>> http://www.batworld.de
RA>> or
RA>> 
http://www.batworld.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=listarticles&secid=3

MB> I'm taking this to TBOT, where we are desperately searching for .gif
MB> sources which come without possible copyright-violation worries.
MB> To upload to the pcwizesmileys page.

MB> http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php

MB> Surely we can have permission from 9Val to use  a few of his. 9Val?  :)

It is not my homepage, perhaps it is Carsten Knobloch's homepage :))

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Re: Using Val9's glyphs [was Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6]

[Richard Anders]

Hello Mary,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 17:36 you wrote at 
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>> On his [9Val's] homepage:
No, the homepage of caschy [Carsten Knobloch]. I'm sorry for this
missunderstanding!!!

> I'm taking this to TBOT,
Sorry to answer to tbbeta - but I don't have TBOT.

> where we are desperately searching for .gif sources which come
> without possible copyright-violation worries. To upload to the
> pcwizesmileys page.

> Surely we can have permission from 9Val to use  a few of his. 9Val?  :)
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Re:The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 - Delete Key Doesn't Work

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Charles M. Gerungan




-
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:11:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:11 PM where
I live) you wrote:

> Hello Kevin,

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:07:55 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote:

KA>> The delete key (nor the right click/delete) does not work on the IMAP
KA>> Inbox. Oh well, back to Beta/1.

> Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, a sync
> fixes it. I have funny message list refreshes, though. Haven't pinned it
> down yet, but when I do, I'll post.

I'll try doing a sync. BTW, I have the same "funny message list
refresh" indication as well. It seems like the whole screen is
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Re: insert picture as attachment

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Quoting MaXxX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> Not to mention that apparently the screen-grabbing utility was
> set to
> produce high-quality JPEGs - a picture that small should never
> be 20k,
> which is the main reason why inserting inline or attached
> images is
> often considered a BAD idea...

...and with JPG images, there is always the possibility it
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Re:The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 - Delete Key Doesn't Work

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Charles M. Gerungan




-
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:11:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:11 PM where
I live) you wrote:

> Hello Kevin,

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:07:55 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote:

KA>> The delete key (nor the right click/delete) does not work on the IMAP
KA>> Inbox. Oh well, back to Beta/1.

> Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, a sync
> fixes it. I have funny message list refreshes, though. Haven't pinned it
> down yet, but when I do, I'll post.


Yea, a synch fixes the delete function most of the time.

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Re: 2.12.07: Lost menu to change language

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Peter,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:14:59 +0200 UTC, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

PP> I guess you've extracted b/7 additionally to 'thebat.exe'?!?
PP> Name the '.lng' file exactly the same as '.exe' (except extension of
PP> course).

This fixed it. Thanks.

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Re: 2.12.07: Lost menu to change language

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Charles,

on Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:50:57 +0200GMT, you wrote:

CMG> [language menu]

CMG>  Has it been (re)moved? How do I get it back?

It is present here. As well in Options » Language as for spell
checking at the bottom of the message editor.

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Re: message ticker JUMPS after deleting a message

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Paul!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 7:47:02 PM you wrote:

>  no, it reappeared today. I had over 100 unread emails, and tried
> the ticker again, and it started jumping down the page. After every
> delete, it wouild jump down to another account. I would hit HOME key to
> go back to the top, hit DEL, it jumps down again.. HOME key

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Funky message list pane and message pane refresh.

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Whenever new message arrive in an IMAP folder, the following happens:

1. Message pane blanks out while fetching the new headers (or whatever
you have your sync prefs set to). This could take seconds and is
irritating because you can't continue to read the message you were
reading.

2. The message list pane refreshes by defocusing the selected message
line, moving the entries down, pasting in the freshly synced messages,
putting the focus back on the message you're reading.

3. The message you were reading appears again so you can finally
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Irritating...

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Re: TB! development

[Leif Gregory]

Hi MaXxX,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:11:34 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:11 PM where I
live) you wrote:
M> Free-time tinkering with production code is something that belongs
M> to the big "BAD ideas" pile, in my book. Bah, adding ANYTHING that
M> hasn't been previously scheduled and carefully planned, or at least
M> discussed with some project manager (does TB! even have one?) is a
M> bad idea. Adding something often results in making changes to
M> things that used to work already - and new bugs are introduced...

I won't necessarily disagree with you, but if it hadn't been for me
tinkering with the code I did at work when I got bored, people
wouldn't have the ability to upload screenshots for error tracking,
seeing images of their counterparts in other states on the message
boards (i.e. the epidemiologist from NM knows what her counterpart
looks like in every other state), nor would they be able to share
images of prophylaxis and emergency response efforts.

All the original application called for was for me to create them a
message board that displayed newest messages on top. Now they have all
that I listed above, plus much more (a document repository, news flash
tickers, web resource link libraries etc). Everyone absolutely loves
it now and would hunt me down and beat me if I were to only give them
back the original application as asked for.

I did all that in my free time during my commutes to and from work.
There was no project manager, just me and a boring ride to and from
work.

Sometimes the benefits outweigh the costs.


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OT: European Football

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello George!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 2:51:53 PM you wrote:

> Way OT but... GO GREECE !!! :)

Yeah, they'll be the winner of the championship. At least that is my
second bet for this EM, but only after my first (England winner,
France second) fell through.

On Monday my (new) bet was: 1. Greece, 2. Portugal, 3. Czek (?), 4. Netherlands.





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Re: Strange display glitch, beta 6

[Dave Gorman]

Friday, July 2, 2004, 12:59:39 PM, I wrote:

> Ctrl-right arrow to choose new message
> 2-6 seconds for initial message display (seems slower overall than B1)
> 2-6 additional seconds for header bar to be populated and attachments
> to be displayed properly (initially picture attachments are displayed
> as gibberish code under the sig, like when viewing source, then after
> 2-6 seconds they display properly as attachment tabs).

Well, I tried B1 before realizing B7 was out. However, the initial
fetch in B1 is not slower after all, still about 2-6 seconds per
message. However, the second step of 2-6 seconds for the message to
display properly. This is continuing with B7

> Now I'm off to restore B1 so I can use the dispatcher!

And the dispatcher works fine with B7!


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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 4:34:26 PM you wrote:

> New XP like interface is far from being finished. TB! looks just
> horrible these days and there is no way to switch the XP thing off at
> least.

How come I don't have a terrible XP look with TB?*


Rhetorical question, answer is: I use the Classis Windows Theme - the
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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Charles!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 7:18:18 PM you wrote:

> Here's another term for 9val to look up: "scope creep".

I'd rather have him programming on TB.



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Re: Big IMAP problem (was: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 is now available)

[Allie Martin]

Peter Gannushkin wrote:

> My IMAP account is not usable any longer with this version. TB! just
> get stuck on synchronizing my inbox folder. If I kill it and leave
> the retrieve message as my only task in IMAP then TB! loads
> something for many times (I can see the progress indicator at the
> bottom of the message preview) and then finally shows the message.
> If I choose next message then TB! dies on synchronization again.

Whenever there are glitches with synchronising a folder, it's good to
start afresh by deleting the folder's cache and allow it to be rebuilt
on the next synchronisation.

See if that helps.

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Re:Strange display glitch, beta 6

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Dave Gorman




-
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 12:59:39 [GMT -0500] (which was 10:59 AM where
I live) you wrote:

> I'm still 75 messages from being caught up with TBBETA messages, so
> apologies if this has been discussed already.

> With beta 6, IMAP fetches seem to be slower. I'll revert back to beta
> 1 later and will see if I can confirm (the missing checkboxes in the
> mail dispatcher are a dealbreaker for me in B6, I use that several
> times a day). But in addition to the fetch being slower, the display
> takes a while to catch up. Here is the sequence:

Confirm with regards to apparent slower refresh and display blinking.

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Dierk,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:45:27 PM, you wrote:

>> New XP like interface is far from being finished. TB! looks just
>> horrible these days and there is no way to switch the XP thing off at
>> least.

DH> How come I don't have a terrible XP look with TB?*

DH> Rhetorical question, answer is: I use the Classis Windows Theme - the
DH> only usable one.

You forgot to add "IMHO". :) It is "the only usable one" for you. XP
look doesn't exist under this theme anyway, so you question doesn't
make so much sense rhetorical or not. It was quite fine for me not to
have XP look at all, better than to hove a broken one. Same logic as
with the IMAP - better not to have a feature than to have the one
which is broken.

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello 9Val!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 7:49:59 PM you wrote:

> Even my girlfriend hasn't so much care about my sleep time :))

Interestingly, although several people complained about you taking
free time for work related stuff, no one complained about you having a
girlfriend - the biggest distraction a working person can have. ;-)

Take few hours off and enjoy being with her, drinking tea, instead of
getting bashed for putting in good work - and communications! - for
and with us.



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Re: TB! development

[Mark Partous]

Hello MaXxX,

You're not on TBOT, are you?

We may be talking about the same thing, but from a different perspective.
I was mainly speaking about the legal side of your "decision"

Friday, July 2, 2004, 8:41:53 PM, you wrote:

M> A weak point, I must say.

No it isn't. Your country now is part of the EC and soon it will have to
adapt it's legislation to -minimal- European standards, if that hasn't been
done yet. If you were to fire your employees for such a trivial reason, they
could sue you, it would cost you money and it wouldn't take long before you
weren't an employer anymore...

Besides, before you can fire people, you have to recruit them. You would have
chosen them, so, if they're no good, it would be yourself you'd have to blame.
(Unless a change of personality would have taken place, of course :-)  )

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Re: Big IMAP problem (was: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 is now available)

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Allie,

Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:47:05 PM, you wrote:

AM> Whenever there are glitches with synchronising a folder, it's good to
AM> start afresh by deleting the folder's cache and allow it to be rebuilt
AM> on the next synchronisation.

AM> See if that helps.

No, It doesn't. I have to clear the cache all the time in order TB! to
work with my account. With this beta it just got worse than ever.

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Dierk,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:45:41 +0200 UTC, Dierk Haasis wrote:

>> Did you look it up?

DH> No, I didn't look it up and I don't intend to. Nothing personal.

It proves you have never done any serious software development which was
exactly my point. Thanks for confirming; it puts your message in the
right perspective. No offence.

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 10:30:54 PM you wrote:

> hundreds of confirmed or assigned bugs already.

Now, confirmation from other users: Invaluable, because this is the
only way to identify real bugs (reproducibility).

Confirmation from developers: Why? Just to get a little recognition?
I could never warm to that idea. Granted, it is nice to know someone
listens, but I'd still tell of the bugs if I got the impression
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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 10:41:39 PM you wrote:

> You know, I didn't answer your last XP message because it looked like
> flame to me.

It wasn't.

>  This looks like it too.

Never judge a book ...

> Guess I have nothing to add to this conversation.

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[nednieuws | charles]

Op 2-jul-04 om 22:36 heeft Dierk Haasis het volgende geschreven:
Although I consider IMAP important, I don't see it as a core
functionality. At the core of TB lies POP3.
From the website of Ritlabs:
The message dispatcher is a special feature of The Bat!, which lets you 
look at the messages stored on your POP3 or IMAP mail server without 
downloading them.

Where does it say that only POP3 is "at the core"?
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Re: Re[2]: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[nednieuws | charles]

Op 2-jul-04 om 22:33 heeft 9Val het volgende geschreven:
Hello, Charles.
CMG> * I'm sure that there are not a lot of people actively monitoring 
your
CMG> BT, judging by the fact that I see a lot of "confirmed" in the 
forum but
CMG> not many "entered in BT".

Developers   look  to BT more frequently than to list, especially when
there is a lot of work.
Which proves my point that you should have someone enter them for you.
CMG> * I'll leave it up to you to determine if my report is valid. I 
simply
CMG> can't know if it's an isolated issue only applicable to me, or if 
what
CMG> I'm reporting really is the issue. It could be something entirely
CMG> different that I'm not aware of as I'm not closely related to the
CMG> project.

Good  point.  But  look  to Prezes. He adds BT entries based on TBBETA
(AFAIK  added  today two or three bugs, which were confirmed here, but
nobody added them to BT)
Maybe you could ask him to be the person managing your BT.
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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Charles!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 10:56:43 PM you wrote:

> It proves you have never done any serious software development

To be precise: I never did *any* software development.

I was always proud of my user POV.

> which was exactly my point.

For what?

> Thanks for confirming; it puts your message in the right
> perspective.

Could have asked me directly. As I wrote above: my perspective is the
one of a user, not someone actually developing. Curiously I am the one
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Re: Funky message list pane and message pane refresh.

[Prezes]

Hello,
Friday, July 2, 2004, 9:36:07 PM, you wrote:

CMG> Whenever new message arrive in an IMAP folder, the following happens:

CMG> 1. Message pane blanks out while fetching the new headers (or whatever
CMG> you have your sync prefs set to). This could take seconds and is
CMG> irritating because you can't continue to read the message you were
CMG> reading.

CMG> 2. The message list pane refreshes by defocusing the selected message
CMG> line, moving the entries down, pasting in the freshly synced messages,
CMG> putting the focus back on the message you're reading.

CMG> 3. The message you were reading appears again so you can finally
CMG> continue to read.

Please confirm:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003196

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Re: Funky message list pane and message pane refresh.

[Charles M . Gerungan]

Op 2-jul-04 om 22:38 heeft Prezes het volgende geschreven:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003196
Where do I click? Do I need an account? Is your opinion not trusted? 
Are you not the one who can assign priority be it high or low?

I'm not being sarcastic, just tell me what you want me to do.
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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Charles M . Gerungan]

Op 2-jul-04 om 23:06 heeft Dierk Haasis het volgende geschreven:
It proves you have never done any serious software development
To be precise: I never did *any* software development.
I never stated you did. I said it proves it.
which was exactly my point.
For what?
The fact that you're not a software developer. For putting your message 
in perspective.

Thanks for confirming; it puts your message in the right
perspective.
Could have asked me directly.
Why it was already obvious.
 As I wrote above: my perspective is the
one of a user, not someone actually developing. Curiously I am the one
defending the developers ...
Of course you are, you don't know what scope creep is.
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No icons in front of groups of contacts in 2.12 Beta/7

[Prezes]

Hello,

  Create new message. Field "To:" fill from addressbook - there is no
  icons groups of contacts!

  Please confirm:

  https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003198

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Re: 2.12.07: Lost menu to change language

[Carsten Thönges]

* Charles M. Gerungan writes:

| 2.12.07: Lost menu to change language

> Has it been (re)moved? How do I get it back?

Did you by any chance rename your thebat.exe? I mean, a
thebat_beta.exe wants a thebat_beta.lng as its language file.

Carsten
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Re[2]: Using Val9's glyphs [was Re: No outbox in new accounts in 2.12 Beta 6]

[9Val]

Hello, Mary.

MB> BTW, 9Val, there are a whole *Bunch* of us Batters who truly enjoy the
MB> smiley function which you gave us. Let me add my thanks to theirs.
MB> :)

Glad to hear that ;)

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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello nednieuws!

On Friday, July 2, 2004 at 11:03:55 PM you wrote:

>> Although I consider IMAP important, I don't see it as a core
>> functionality. At the core of TB lies POP3.

> Where does it say that only POP3 is "at the core"?

They don't say anything about core or not core, it was me. And my
point is debatable, I am sure Allie, who uses IMAP a lot (solely?),
sees IMAP as a core feature.

Whatever can be considered "core" is highly a matter of taste. My
statement comes out of the history of TB; It began as a POP3 client;
IMAP was added much later (too late many think).

Kevin's (I think it was him) original point was that TB is broken in
core functionality and unstable. I don't think this is right. I can't
show up any statistics but I am quite sure that most users just work
with TB and don't encounter many problems. And surely not very often
do they find TB unstable and underdeveloped (the first being
objectively measurable, the second subjective opinion).

Nothing against honest bug reporting and discussion but lately the
reporting takes on more of a complaining manner - and not a very
constructive one, to my eyes.

Perhaps its just me, a little tired (in the physiological sense), a
bit too much involved, having read too much complaining for nearly
every piece of software I am interested in from TB and Agent through
QImage and Vuescan to Photoshop etc.




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Re: TB! development (was: IMAP: Delete key doesn't show Deleted flag)

[Charles M . Gerungan]

Op 2-jul-04 om 23:39 heeft Dierk Haasis het volgende geschreven:
Perhaps its just me, a little tired (in the physiological sense), a
bit too much involved, having read too much complaining for nearly
every piece of software I am interested in from TB and Agent through
QImage and Vuescan to Photoshop etc.
I have 25 licences of Adobe Photoshop (one is in the background now :) 
and three for Vuescan. So that coves both ends of the spectrum. Have 
you ever frequented the Adobe support forums? Nice forums, and noone 
complains about scope creep. They discuss bug fixes of current or 
sometimes neededfeatures. Of course, needed in that respect is dictated 
much by a) the intended use of the software (which is pretty much fixed 
and niche) and b) the feature set of the software which is defined for 
that release. Now that is where scope creep comes in. You set your 
project goals, finish them (which means bug-free, the Mac is a good OS 
where its users freak out over bugs, hence the fact that CorelDRAW 
never made it on the Mac) and not get distracted by Yet Another Feature 
which broadens the scope of the project, hence scope creep. Set your 
scope, stick to it, and move on.

Ed Hamrick handles his project the same way.
But we're digressing big time so I propose to leave it at this if 
that's alright with you. E-mail is always welcomed should you like to 
discuss any further.

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Re: A bat! wish

[Peter Fjelsten]

Claude,

On 02-07-2004 18:54, you [CR] wrote in
:

CR> In the options/preferences/system/Complete addresses from we
CR> have an option "all address books".
CR> This option apparently concern all local address books. What about
CR> including in the "all adress books" ldap adress books too ?

Please support my wish:



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Re: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 is now available

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Charles!

>> I cannot change the SMTP settings of a POP3-Account (no MD5, no Auth
>> etc)!
> I can.

Sorry, I meant that I can modify the settings but when I click on OK and
leave the account settings menu and re-enter it, there are the old settings
again (talking about auth and md5 in the seperate menu).

Regards,
Martin

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Re: TB! development

[Leif Gregory]

Hi MaXxX,

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:55:23 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:55 PM where I
live) you wrote:
M> Precisely my point. That was your own one-man project, so you were
M> the manager, the designer and the programmer, all in one. TB is a
M> much bigger project, requiring meticulous planning and scheduling.
M> Freelancing within such a big project spells trouble.

4,000 users 50 States.. Small project.. Hardly. Many less lines of
code than TB... Certainly.

M> Just look at it, however. Look at this list. I was not the
M> trouble-starter this time - and every time a new version comes out,
M> a big discussion over the way TB is developed ensues. Doesn't it
M> feel at least unsettling, if not downright alarming?

Never intimated you were. I was only trying to clear up what I
perceived as a misperception about 9Val and his comment concerning his
free time.

At any rate this is all OT. I've CC'd TBOT to continue or we can PM
it. Either way.



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compress ADB files?

[Martin Sebald]

Hi all,

by adding and removing some pictures to the address book for this nice new
function since Beta6 I noticed that the address book files are getting
bigger and bigger. Is it possible that old and deleted data (pictures,
whole addresses etc) don't get purged out of the file?

What about a routine which compresses the address book files?

Regards,
Martin

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