Re: Connection Center and "Details"

[Bobi Jam]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 23:52:41[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was
13:52 where I live) Jonathan wrote at
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> I normally run with my connection center open, with full details being
> displayed.  Today out of curiousity I turned of the details, and was
> left with a dark grey box, with no information in it at all.

confirmed!

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Re: IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

[Bobi Jam]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 23:18:50[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was
13:18 where I live) Jonathan wrote at
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> This email is concerning IMAP and message fetching quirks. It'd appear
> randomly TB wants to "hang" on fetching emails. I have sat here for an
> hour with 2 emails (yes only 2 emails) sitting in the queue to be
> processed with the "Status" of "In Queue". It can sit there for ages.
> If I click on other messages, they get added to the queue, and nothing
> happens. If I then delete one of those messages that was in the queue,
> it'd seem like TB suddenly wakes up, and then processes a few of the
> messages you had in the queue, then goes back to sleeping away. If I
> then delete /all/ the tasks, then give it a few minutes, /then/ try
> getting a new message, everything is back to normal again.

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Re: c:\a.htm

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, Raymund Tump wrote...

> Hello TBBETA,

> really interesting this file :-)

> But as a restricted user don't have access to my c: drive, TB! simply
> show a message box that it can't create that file.

This came up in the past... several times if I remember correctly. I
think Val9 or Stefan said it was for testing purposes on something,
but I'd have to look over my archives.  I also think they had a lot of
beta testers complaining about permissions on that file (ie users
cannot create it), and they said they'd remove it... but again, from
memory, would have to go back over my archives.

Hey, what a perfect time to test searching in the alpha ;)

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Re: Redraw problem

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, Tony Boom wrote...

RT>> Funny thing is they stay halfed even if I restart TB! :-)

>  It's probably because your using the wrong icon set with the wrong
>  batskin.ini and they don't line up properly.

I have the same issue, however after a few seconds of having the
message selected, it goes away.  Weird huh? ;)

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Connection Center and "Details"

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi,

I normally run with my connection center open, with full details being
displayed.  Today out of curiousity I turned of the details, and was
left with a dark grey box, with no information in it at all.
Shouldn't it at least have the connection status in it?

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IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi,

Okay, I'm kind of liking this new look, there are some odd quirks,
like the envelope icons in the message list half appearing randomly,
but I'm sure they'll get sorted (along with the other things).

This email is concerning IMAP and message fetching quirks. It'd appear
randomly TB wants to "hang" on fetching emails. I have sat here for an
hour with 2 emails (yes only 2 emails) sitting in the queue to be
processed with the "Status" of "In Queue". It can sit there for ages.
If I click on other messages, they get added to the queue, and nothing
happens. If I then delete one of those messages that was in the queue,
it'd seem like TB suddenly wakes up, and then processes a few of the
messages you had in the queue, then goes back to sleeping away. If I
then delete /all/ the tasks, then give it a few minutes, /then/ try
getting a new message, everything is back to normal again.

Mildly  annoying, I wasn't expecting a degredation of IMAP handling, I
was  hoping  for  an  improvement. Though I guess it is an improvement
over  beta  10  where  I couldn't use it at all as it'd close the IMAP
connection, and never work again.

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Re[2]: IMAP and filtering quarks

[Matt Thoene]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005 @ 5:37:54 PM [-0700], AC Martin wrote:

> I'm surprised that as an IMAP user, you're able to get along with that
> beta. My server connections last mere seconds with that beta that
> implements multiple server connections support. The same exists for
> this alpha.

It does work pretty well, other than my original odd issue. I haven't
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Re: IMAP and filtering quarks

[AC Martin]

Hi Matt,
 On 22/2/2005 7:09 PM, you wrote:

> I have filtering set up on two different IMAP accounts. On both IMAP
> accounts, I have a main Inbox with several sub-folders that I have set
> up to filter messages to automatically. Both filter, but one does not
> until I physically highlight the Inbox. The other filters just fine
> without my intervention. Both of the accounts have from what I can
> tell identical settings.
>
> Is this a simple switch I'm missing or just another quarky TB IMAP
> issue?

Another quarky IMAP issue. My autofiltering is triggered sporadically
at best. When I see the messages move automatically without selecting
the folder, it's an occasion for me. :)

I'm surprised that as an IMAP user, you're able to get along with that
beta. My server connections last mere seconds with that beta that
implements multiple server connections support. The same exists for
this alpha.

I'm not playing with ThunderBird now. I'm *using* ThunderBird and
playing with TB! these days. :(

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Alpha - Generic group tag in accounts frame

[Richard Wakeford]

What is the "Generic Group" tag for in the Account frame? It certainly
doesn't point to folders with the Generic Group definition and it
doesn't point to folders with recent messages.

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Alpha Smart Bat

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In Smart Bat there are no icons and none of the menu items work.

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Alph Quick Search

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Quick Search only works on the first item. CTRL + ENTER doesn't move to
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Alpha Account Tree

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Is there any way to have the total numbers left aligned as in previous
versions instead of right aligned? They seem so far away butted up
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IMAP and filtering quarks

[Matt Thoene]

Hi.

Using 3.0.2.10.

I have filtering set up on two different IMAP accounts. On both IMAP
accounts, I have a main Inbox with several sub-folders that I have set
up to filter messages to automatically. Both filter, but one does not
until I physically highlight the Inbox. The other filters just fine
without my intervention. Both of the accounts have from what I can
tell identical settings.

Is this a simple switch I'm missing or just another quarky TB IMAP
issue?

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Re[4]: Quiet?

[Cees]

Het was op dinsdag 22 februari 2005 om 23:39 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Quiet?' :

Hallo Tony,
  
>> poco is a toy for children... :-(
TB> That's why I'm playing with it :)

 I'm speachless. you've got me there... :-))

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Re: Quiet?

[David Calvarese]

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Tony Boom wrote:
>  On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:03:10 +0100, Dick H wrote:
> 
>> By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance
>> that it will disappoint a lot of people.
> 
> Well I've got bored waiting so I'm playing with Poco.

Poco's a nice little email program.  I recommend it to those that don't
need the power of TB! but want to get away from Outlook Express.

As you can see from mail headers, I'm playing with Thunderbird. (The
IMAP beats TB!'s hands down and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better
than the PGP support in TB! as well).

Dave
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Re: Quiet?

[David Elliott]

Hi TBBETA,

On 22 February 2005, at 23:37:31 +0100 (which was 22:37 where I live) Peter
Fjelsten wrote

>>> IMHO, this level of Alpha version should never go public, not even to
>>> this list.

>> I don't agree here. It was advertised as an Alpha release.

> OK as per BS standards (yes, I have recently been ISEB certified
> software tester), alpha tests/releases per definition take place
> in-house.

I have been using BS standards for at least 7 years.

:)

>>> Only after a program has been thoroughly tested by the developers and
>>> a very selective group of volunteers and the program has shown to be
>>> stable (not saying bug free!!), it should be made available to a
>>> wider audience, i.e. this TBBETA list.

DE>> I am sorry but it was released a alpha release.

Yea and ??

> That being said, I don't mind Ritlabs releasing an Alpha to the general
> public (although it as per BS standards would be a Beta :-) ) as long as
> it is clearly marked as such.

But they follow the correct protocols.

They announced it as an an alpha.

> People (including myself) have anxiously been waiting for news from
> Ritlabs and I suppose that they have released this version to give people
> something to "work with".

< ... >

Then wait for a beta.

:)


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Re[3]: Quiet?

[Tony Boom]

 On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:36:48 +0100, Cees wrote:
> poco is a toy for children... :-(

That's why I'm playing with it :)
 
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Re: Quiet?

[Peter Fjelsten]

David,

On 22-02-2005 23:24, you [DE] wrote in
:
>> IMHO, this level of Alpha version should never go public, not even to
>> this list.

DE> I don't agree here. It was advertised as an Alpha release.

OK as per BS standards (yes, I have recently been ISEB certified
software tester), alpha tests/releases per definition take place
in-house.

>> Only after a program has been thoroughly tested by the developers and
>> a very selective group of volunteers and the program has shown to be
>> stable (not saying bug free!!), it should be made available to a
>> wider audience, i.e. this TBBETA list.

DE> I am sorry but it was released a alpha release.

Yes. See above.

That being said, I don't mind Ritlabs releasing an Alpha to the general
public (although it as per BS standards would be a Beta :-) ) as long as
it is clearly marked as such. People (including myself) have anxiously
been waiting for news from Ritlabs and I suppose that they have released
this version to give people something to "work with".

Personally, I'll wait for the Beta. And then I will wait to hear if IMAP
is better than the one I am using now. Any version after 3.0.1.33 breaks
in my Exchange server environment.

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Re: Quiet?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Tony,

On 22-02-2005 23:28, you [TB] wrote in
:
TB> Well I've got bored waiting so I'm playing with Poco.
TB>  
TB> --
TB> Tony.
TB>  
TB>  :gentoo:
TB>    www.gentoo.org

Which apparently has a problem with sig delimiters... :)

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Re[2]: Quiet?

[Cees]

Het was op dinsdag 22 februari 2005 om 23:28 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Quiet?' :

Hallo Tony,
  
>> By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance
>> that it will disappoint a lot of people.

TB> Well I've got bored waiting so I'm playing with Poco.

 poco is a toy for children... :-(
 
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Re: Quiet?

[Tony Boom]

 On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:03:10 +0100, Dick H wrote:

> By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance
> that it will disappoint a lot of people.

Well I've got bored waiting so I'm playing with Poco.
 
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Re: Quiet?

[David Elliott]

Salutation TBBETA,

It was foretold that on 22 February 2005, at 23:03:10 +0100 (which was
22:03 where I live) Dick H wrote and made these points

>>   Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?

> IMHO, this level of Alpha version should never go public, not even to
> this list.

I don't agree here. It was advertised as an Alpha release.

> By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance that it
> will disappoint a lot of people.

Correct but it had a LARGE caveat.

> Only after a program has been thoroughly tested by the developers and a
> very selective group of volunteers and the program has shown to be stable
> (not saying bug free!!), it should be made available to a wider audience,
> i.e. this TBBETA list.

I am sorry but it was released a alpha release.

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Re: Quiet?

[David Elliott]

Hello TBBETA,

Rumour believes that on 22 February 2005, at 21:56:13 + (which was
21:56 where I live) Tony Boom wrote

> A reminder of what David Elliott on TBBETA typed on: 22 February 2005 at
> 22:51:27 GMT +0100

>> No one can get it to work.

> I'm waiting for some rather important court documents from Social
> Services so I reverted back to a more stable version.

I don't mind Beta's but Alpha are not for me.

> Not only that, I'm proud to still have a full head of hair at my age and
> I don't want to lose it :)

I wish I was. I have lost a bit since my pict was put out.

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Re: Quiet?

[Dick H]

Hello Tony,

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 21:33:17 GMT + (which was
22:33:17 where I live), Tony Boom wrote and made these valuable points
on the subject of "Quiet?":


> Hello TBBETA,

>   Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?


..maybe everybody is shocked...;-)

IMHO, this level of Alpha version should never go public, not even to this 
list. By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance that it 
will disappoint a lot of people.

Only after a program has been thoroughly tested by the developers and a very 
selective group of volunteers and the program has shown to be stable (not 
saying bug free!!), it should be made available to a wider audience, i.e. this 
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Re: Quiet?

[Tony Boom]

Hello David,

  A reminder of what David Elliott on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 22:51:27 GMT +0100

DE> No one can get it to work.

 I'm waiting for some rather important court documents from Social Services
 so I reverted back to a more stable version. Not only that, I'm proud to
 still have a full head of hair at my age and I don't want to lose it  :)


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Re: Quiet?

[David Elliott]

Salutation TBBETA,

On 22 February 2005, at 21:33:17 + (which was 21:33 where I live) Tony
Boom graced us with these comments

> Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?



No one can get it to work. :)



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Re: Quiet?

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Matt,
The original quoted text below was written on 22/02/2005 21:37 my local
time;
I would guess that many have not installed it yet and are awaiting
the "single file available as soon as the Alpha stage is finished"
version...
I'm one of those. I've 55 unread messages relating to the new Alpha as 
I've not had chance to read them, but from what I've heard, IMAP is 
lacking somewhat. As I am entirely IMAP based, I'm in no great hurry to 
test in this case.
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Re: Quiet?

[Cees]

Het was op dinsdag 22 februari 2005 om 22:33 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Quiet?' :

Hallo Tony,

TB>   Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?

 uh we've all together crashed. :-

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Re: Quiet?

[Matt Thoene]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005 @ 1:33:17 PM [-0700], Tony Boom wrote:

> Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?

I think it's because we're working with an Alpha...and from the emails
so far it's a challenging Alpha. I would guess that many have not
installed it yet and are awaiting the "single file available as soon
as the Alpha stage is finished" version...

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Quiet?

[Tony Boom]

Hello TBBETA,

  Surprisingly quiet on here under the circumstances isn't it?


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Re: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 19:35, Raymund Tump wrote:

>>> did You extracted thebat.lng file too? It is needed for this now.

>> Yes, I extracted all files, added the batskin.xml and the three icon
>> files from batskin.zip.

> I just tried to rename the thebat.lng file and it nearly looks like
> your screenshot after that.

I wish I could get my TB! to look as yours by renaming a file... I've
tried deleting all registry settings and running the alpha from a new
catalogue, but still no menu labels :-/ And yes, of course I made sure I
got all files this time too.

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Re: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)

[Raymund Tump]

Hello Marcus,

>> did You extracted thebat.lng file too? It is needed for this now.

> Yes, I extracted all files, added the batskin.xml and the three icon
> files from batskin.zip.

I just tried to rename the thebat.lng file and it nearly looks like
your screenshot after that.

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Re: Redraw problem

[Tony Boom]

Hello Raymund,

  A reminder of what Raymund Tump on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 18:28:26 GMT +0100

RT> Funny thing is they stay halfed even if I restart TB! :-)

 It's probably because your using the wrong icon set with the wrong
 batskin.ini and they don't line up properly.


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Re: Redraw problem

[Raymund Tump]

Hello Raymund,

> at least here the icons in the message list tend to be halfed and not
> been redrawn properly.

Funny thing is they stay halfed even if I restart TB! :-)

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Hello TBBETA,

at least here the icons in the message list tend to be halfed and not
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c:\a.htm

[Raymund Tump]

Hello TBBETA,

really interesting this file :-)

But as a restricted user don't have access to my c: drive, TB! simply
show a message box that it can't create that file.

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Re[2]: I like the threading

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

RO> So TB hung it to the
RO> first message with that subject. And as we were discussing a yearly
RO> returning event, TB thought the replies were related to a message
RO> almost a year old in stead of one a mere ten days ago.

I've just accused (nicely) a friend of replying to the wrong message.
Two weeks ago a message was sent with exactly the same subject as one
sent yesterday but the reply came to the message sent two weeks ago. I
thought it was their fault but it's not and, going back to 3.10, the
messages (I got a reply) are appended to the correct later mail and not
the first one.

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Re: Adding an action to a filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Stuart Hemming & everyone else,

on 22-Feb-2005 at 13:07 you (Stuart Hemming) wrote:

>> I wasn't, but now I tried that and the add button works fine in
>> 3.0.2.10 too.

> Bizarre! Anyone else?

Oh yes. No problem here, either.

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Re: Losing the ' [x]' when I reply

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Thanks all.
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Re: Losing the ' [x]' when I reply

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Stuart,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:23:50 +GMT (22-2-2005, 15:23 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

G> I know that there is an option to turn off reply numbering
G> (Re[x]: subject) but I can't find it. Pointers please.

  Account -> Properties -> Templates -> Reply -> Use Reply numbering...

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Re: Losing the ' [x]' when I reply

[Mic Cullen]

At 14:23 [GMT+] on Tuesday February 22 (actual time - 10:23pm on Tuesday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

> I know that there is an option to turn off reply numbering
> (Re[x]: subject) but I can't find it. Pointers please.

Account - Properties - Templates - Reply - 2nd checkbox from the bottom

(Have focus on the account you want to modify)

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Re: Losing the ' [x]' when I reply

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 15:23, Stuart Hemming wrote:

> I know that there is an option to turn off reply numbering (Re[x]:
> subject) but I can't find it. Pointers please.

You already got it, I said:

"Uncheck Account | Properties | Templates | Reply | Use reply numbering
in the subject line. Or use the proper macros in your templates,
whatever suites you best."

and Tony added:

"Put %SINGLERE in your reply template."

I'll cc this to you directly in case list messages doesn't reach you
properly.

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key-combo's

[Cees]

Het is dinsdag 22 februari 2005 en 15:28:31 uur :

Hallo tbbeta,

  apparently a lot of key-combinations I use have been changed/removed.
  To  delete  the  entries  of  the  junkfolder  I was used to ctrl+del which
  removed  all  of  the  messages  to  the  trashfolder.  Not  only  has that
  combination  changed,  I can't find the option anywhere in the menu's! Am I
  overlooking something??

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Re: I like the threading

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 14:43, Roelof Otten wrote:

> Yep, though it's somewhat of a double edged sword. Just was looking
> for a message and couldn't find it even though I could find the first
> message of the thread. Turned out that my contact had been using a
> thing called 'Internet mail system' that didn't include threading
> headers. Because of the Re: in the subject, it was rightly deemed a
> reply. So TB hung it to the first message with that subject. And as we
> were discussing a yearly returning event, TB thought the replies were
> related to a message almost a year old in stead of one a mere ten days
> ago. Got to revise my archiving system I think.

Rather you should file a bug report and suggest that TB!'s threading
mechanism should be better. Of course TB! cannot know exactly where to
thread a message lacking the threading headers, but it would be a
advocated guess that it should first look messages written in the last
days/weeks before looking for messages one year old.

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Re: New GUI with the Alpha Build?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:31:00 -0700GMT (22-2-2005, 14:31 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> It's definitely GUI-challenged.

NA> Ok, but is it new? Do we have a configurable Toolbar or anything similar to
NA> that? Newer looking icons... or is it the very same desktop as previous
NA> betas?

It has a customize menu for the toolbars, even though that's a bit
heavier challenged than the rest.

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Re: I like the threading

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:29:32 -0700GMT (22-2-2005, 14:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> I like the threading of the alpha. I'm threading by references, but when a
>> message is lacking In-Reply-To and References but has a subject like Re
>> same subject then the message is added to the thread anyhow.

NA> That is something we've been asking for a long time... Nice to see it's
NA> finally implemented.

Yep, though it's somewhat of a double edged sword.
Just was looking for a message and couldn't find it even though I
could find the first message of the thread.
Turned out that my contact had been using a thing called 'Internet
mail system' that didn't include threading headers. Because of the Re:
in the subject, it was rightly deemed a reply. So TB hung it to the
first message with that subject. And as we were discussing a yearly
returning event, TB thought the replies were related to a message
almost a year old in stead of one a mere ten days ago.
Got to revise my archiving system I think.

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Re: New GUI with the Alpha Build?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Nick,

@22-Feb-2005, 06:31 -0700 (22-Feb 13:31 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> It's definitely GUI-challenged.

NA> Ok, but is it new?

Radically and drastically, while looking similar.

NA> Do we have a configurable Toolbar or anything similar to that?

We have completely configurable toolbars and menus. Being a deep
alpha, they barely function and are very difficult to handle. Much of
the original functionality of the UI is compromised, but I can see
where it's going.

NA> Newer looking icons...

Completely soft, so the question is immaterial.

NA> or is it the very same desktop as previous betas?

The "desktop" (basic layout) is unchanged, but it is clear that the
components that give the look and feel of the elements, menus and
toolbars are completely different.

This is very much work in progress and tales of woe are numerous. It
is very much at the level I would have feared when a developer is
forced into showing his hand too early by user pressure. (okay - cheap
jibe at the "are we there yet" mongers on the list - apologies) :-p .

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Re: Adding an action to a filter

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on Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +GMT, you wrote:

SH> If I open the sorting office and go to an existing filter, the "Add"
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Clicking the "Add" button works here. However, +A doesn't work
although the A in "Add" is underlined.

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Re: New GUI with the Alpha Build?

[Nick Andriash]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, at 6:29:51 AM, Roelof wrote:

> It's definitely GUI-challenged.

Ok, but is it new? Do we have a configurable Toolbar or anything similar to
that? Newer looking icons... or is it the very same desktop as previous
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Re: I like the threading

[Nick Andriash]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, at 6:28:43 AM, Roelof wrote:

> I like the threading of the alpha. I'm threading by references, but when a
> message is lacking In-Reply-To and References but has a subject like Re
> same subject then the message is added to the thread anyhow.

That is something we've been asking for a long time... Nice to see it's
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Re: Test from GMail

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> 
> A reminder of what Gmail on TBBETA typed on: 22 February 2005 at
> 10:41:46 GMT +0100
> 
> G> OK. If this works I need to work out how to sign using smime. Any 
> G> clues anyone?
> 
> You need to get yourself a certificate from thawte or verisign and
> then enable smime in Account Properties Options.
> 

He might try http://www.cacert.org/ as well for a free one.

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Re[2]: Adding an action to a filter

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> I wasn't, but now I tried that and the add button works fine in
> 3.0.2.10 too.
Bizarre! Anyone else?

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Re: Adding an action to a filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Stuart,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:38:29 +GMT (22-2-2005, 12:38 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Can't confirm, the add button works fine over here.
G> I'm talking about v3.0.2.10

I wasn't, but now I tried that and the add button works fine in
3.0.2.10 too.

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Re[2]: Adding an action to a filter

[Stuart Hemming]

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> Can't confirm, the add button works fine over here.
I'm talking about v3.0.2.10

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Re: Adding an action to a filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Stuart,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +GMT (22-2-2005, 12:17 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

G> I'm sure that if this is a general but someone else must have noticed
G> it...

G> If I open the sorting office and go to an existing filter, the "Add"
G> button is disabled. I have to RMB click and select "Add" from there.

Can't confirm, the add button works fine over here.
What bothers me is that Escape doesn't work anymore. After adding a
new action, pressing escape would undo that. Now my sorting office
doesn't react at all on the escape button.

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Re: Running! (was: The Bat! and Linux?)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Stefanie,

  A reminder of what Stefanie Weigel on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 12:20:11 GMT +0100

SW>  I have to do some more configs, and then
SW> try to post from Linux.  

 Glad it's working, posting shouldn't be a problem as long as your
 connection is working OK.


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Re: deep alpha

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Roelof,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:05:00 +0100GMT (22-2-2005, 11:05 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JR>> Templates seem to be working. How about your manaul QTs. Are
JR>> they working in alpha? Mine aren't. No
JR>> space action. Also can't find insert QT anywhere in menus. I
JR>> must be missing something.

RO> Confirmed

And what's worse, mass mailing doesn't work either. :-(

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Re: Just another test

[Tony Boom]

Hello Stuart,

  A reminder of what Stuart Hemming on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 12:15:37 GMT +0100

SH> Is it me that's generating the [x] after Re:? I'm sure that there's
SH> an option somewhere to toggle this but I can't find it to check

Put %SINGLERE in your reply template.


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Running! (was: The Bat! and Linux?)

[Stefanie Weigel]

> Hello Stefanie,

Hi Tony!

>   A reminder of what Stefanie Weigel on TBBETA typed on:
>   21 February 2005 at 21:28:03 GMT +0100

SW>> - and then you will find me singing, grinning and jumping around. :-)

> Woa there, get it working first and then start singing :)

*singsingsing!*
Now it's running! Jippie! I'm not sure what I finally did, but
clicking thebat.exe now launches it. :-) The import didn't work
completely, but basically. I have to do some more configs, and then
try to post from Linux. :-)

Greetings from Germany
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Re: Just another test

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 12:14, Stuart Hemming wrote:

> Is it me that's generating the [x] after Re:? I'm sure that there's an
> option somewhere to toggle this but I can't find it to check.

Uncheck Account | Properties | Templates | Reply | Use reply numbering
in the subject line. Or use the proper macros in your templates,
whatever suites you best.

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Adding an action to a filter

[Stuart Hemming]

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I'm sure that if this is a general but someone else must have noticed
it...

If I open the sorting office and go to an existing filter, the "Add"
button is disabled. I have to RMB click and select "Add" from there.

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Re[2]: Just another test

[Stuart Hemming]

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Sorry about the 'GMail' name popping up; it should show my proper name
now.

Is it me that's generating the [x] after Re:? I'm sure that there's
an option somewhere to toggle this but I can't find it to check.

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Re[2]: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)

[Paul Van Noord]

On 2/22/2005 Tony Boom wrote:

TB>A bit like asking for a
TB> Rasberry Ripple ice cream and getting plain vanilla.


2/22/2005  6:03 AM

Hi Tony,

D e e p   A  l  p  h  a

We will always be disappointed when we expect more than we deserve.
This thread has wasted more of the reader's time than I want to think
about. It doesn't even belong here as I recall the name is TBBeta.

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Re: Just another test

[AC Martin]

Hi Gmail,
 On 22/2/2005 5:42 AM, you wrote:

> To be honest, I normally just Cc myself but I've never had to with
> this list.

I guess that's GMail insisting on no duplication of messages on its side?

Took me a few messages to realize who this GMail is. I wasn't really
checking out your sigs. :)

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I like the threading

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo tbbeta,

  I like the threading of the alpha.
  I'm threading by references, but when a message is lacking
  In-Reply-To and References but has a subject like Re same subject
  then the message is added to the thread anyhow.

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Re[2]: Just another test

[Gmail]

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To be honest, I normally just Cc myself but I've never had to with
this list.

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Re: Just another test

[Tony Boom]

Hello Gmail,

  A reminder of what Gmail on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 11:29:33 GMT +0100

G> From my messagebase you'd have to conclude that Tony is talking to himself!

How strange, ALT+L worked that time...

Talking to myself isn't unusual, set up a filter to copy what you send to the
relevant folder. I used a filter like this, you'll need to edit it a bit as it
colours messages from me to a different colour.

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [4493D9A0.01C4CCD9.6DE93919.03D3C784]
Name: TBBETA
Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SetColour -1597849128
MarkUnread
CopyMessage folder \5C\5CG-Mail\5CTBBETA
IsManual
IsContinue
Ignore
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Just another test

[Gmail]

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Sorry about this. I've got my subscription preferences set up to echo
my messages back to me but it doesn't appear to be working. From my
messagebase you'd have to conclude that Tony is talking to himself!
8-)

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Re: Deep alpha Edit message box

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:01:05 +0100GMT (22-2-2005, 9:01 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
RW> Hello,

RW> Lots wrong with "Edit Mail Message" box.

RW> Alignment icons work but none of the bottom ones do (and corresponding
RW> menu items don't either).

RW> Spell checker menu dead.

Confirmed

RW> Options Message format only works if you scroll through. You can't pick
RW> one choice. What's worse it's easy to get to "HTML only" (never use it
RW> myself) and virtually impossible to get back to Micro-Ed! In fact, if
RW> you play around with it too much it goes in a huff and freezes and then
RW> dumps your message in the outbox. Could be embarassing if you were on an
RW> automatic blink at the time!

Confirmed
When I was playing with it, it was easy to get HTML only, but from
there I couldn't switch back to MicroEd. Had to switch to plain text
Windows and from there I could get back to MicroEd. Didn't need to
scroll though, I could use the mouse.

RW> Whilst composing a message The Bat! message screen behind flashes every
RW> ten seconds or so as though it's trying to do something.

Can't confirm

RW> Trying  the  "Privacy"  menu  solicits  nothing  either  but then that's
RW> probably  because  I've  stopped using PGP but it doesn't even tell me I
RW> don't have it installed.

PGP still works here, even though not all menu options are available.

RW> Not just lots of non working functions but also full of inconsistencies.
RW> errors don't seem to be consistent. Faults occur in different ways at
RW> different times.

Confirmed

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Re: Test from GMail

[Tony Boom]

Hello Gmail,

  A reminder of what Gmail on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 11:02:49 GMT +0100

G> I see that you're using a Thawte certificate. What document did you
G> use when registering for it? I'm not too comfortable using my passport
G> number.

 To be honest, I don't remember, I didn't use my passport number though.


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Re: deep alpha

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jan,

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:47:06 -0500GMT (22-2-2005, 2:47 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JR> Templates seem to be working. How about your manaul QTs. Are
JR> they working in alpha? Mine aren't. No
JR> space action. Also can't find insert QT anywhere in menus. I
JR> must be missing something.

Confirmed

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Re[2]: Test from GMail

[Gmail]

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>  You need to get yourself a certificate from thawte or verisign and then 
> enable
>  smime in Account Properties Options.
I see that you're using a Thawte certificate. What document did you
use when registering for it? I'm not too comfortable using my passport
number.

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Re: Test from GMail

[Tony Boom]

Hello Gmail,

  A reminder of what Gmail on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 10:41:46 GMT +0100

G> OK. If this works I need to work out how to sign using smime. Any
G> clues anyone?

 You need to get yourself a certificate from thawte or verisign and then enable
 smime in Account Properties Options.


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Re: 3.0.9.1 - cannot run it under another windows user

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 06:55, Boris Anders wrote:

>>  Right click your desktop icon and make sure the "Start In" box
>>  points to your Bat directory... "C:\Program Files\The Bat!" or
>>  wherever you have it installed.

> Works now for me, too. Thanks a lot. I hope developers has seen this
> bug/read our messages :-).

Stefan was the first one pointing this out, so I am sure they know :-)

See 

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Test from GMail

[Gmail]

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OK. If this works I need to work out how to sign using smime. Any
clues anyone?

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Re: The Bat! and Linux? (was: TheBat and GMail: POP Question)

[Stefanie Weigel]

> Hello Stefanie,

Hello Tony!

>   A reminder of what Stefanie Weigel on TBBETA typed on:
>   21 February 2005 at 21:28:03 GMT +0100

SW>> - and then you will find me singing, grinning and jumping around. :-)

> Woa there, get it working first and then start singing :)

Bah, that was a selfforfilling prophecy! So it is your fault. ;-) The
Shortcut (to /home/steffelchen/.cxoffice/.../ doesn't work (I'll try
to translate the error massages into english, but I'm not sure if it's
correct!), it says: "The child-process cannot be started". The
"child-process" is not specified.

The same with copy to /home/steffelchen/.wine/.../ .

When I try to install TB! with COO by pointing to the copied
thebat.exe, it installs, asks the "first-start-questions" and then
freezes with a black window with "unregistered test copy". *sigh* I'm
just some kind of motivated beginner with Linux, so it's difficult to
find the solution, even Google exists. :-) Using wine I found really
hard. First I had to install it - this part was ok :-) - but when I
got *something* to run which looks like wine, it tells me, that it's
not configured and tells me to configure a file which doesn't exist.
If you had some "Linux - first aid for dummies", let me know!
Thanks for your help so far!

HAND
Steff

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Re: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Mic,

  A reminder of what Mic Cullen on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 07:36:26 GMT +0100

MC> To be fair, it's been clear all along that it's NOT a Beta, it's only an 
Alpha.
MC> (Says so in the Subject line.)

 And this IS a BETA list,(says so in the address). Truth is I was being fair,
 they ask for input, I'm giving it. It's hard to rave about something that is so
 deeply flawed.

 Surely all these bugs we're finding must have been the same for the developers.
 The basic fundamental things like icons and spell checker, missing menus and
 blank menu items and yet they still released it to us. They've put their self
 in the firing line by releasing such a flawed version even if it is an Alpha.

 Sorry but the word "Wow" just doesn't spring to mind at the moment.


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Re: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)

[Roel]

Hi Kian,

On 18 Feb 2005 07:53:57 , Kian Andersen wrote:

KA> I am trying out your plugin,
KA> but every time I close and reopen The Bat!
KA> the plugin is not loaded and I have to add it again!

I can confirm this problem:

I did a clean install of bayes filter plugin 2.0.2 in a custom
directory and it doesn't reload after a restart of TB! (also tried
installing to the default-directoy, no effect), nor does it show up in
TBPlugin.ini.

Bayesit however loads perfectly.

I even have deleted the tbplugin.ini file, bayesit continues to load
after a restart of TB!.

It can't be a permission-problem on the TBPlugin.ini-file since it is
on a fat32-partition (it's also not read-only).

Further, I did some testing with the 'mygaterunner'-plugin and it too
loads fine without the 'TBPlugin.ini' -file (or with an empty one).

IMHO the 'TBPlugin.ini' file isn't used anymore, but I don't know what
does account for the loading of plugins.

Anybody got an idea?

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Re: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)

[Tony Boom]

Hello Marcus,

  A reminder of what Marcus Ohlström on TBBETA typed on:
  21 February 2005 at 00:46:37 GMT +0100

MO> I really don't think it's fair of you to complain about the usability of a
MO> alpha.

I was expressing my disappointment rather than complaining. It was such an
anticlimax after such a long wait that's all.

With all the hype and "When is" posts flying about I was anticipating greatness,
as I think most people were.  A bit like asking for a Rasberry Ripple ice cream 
and getting plain vanilla.


ALT+L don't work either by the way.

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Deep alpha Edit message box

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello,

Lots wrong with "Edit Mail Message" box.

Alignment icons work but none of the bottom ones do (and corresponding
menu items don't either).

Spell checker menu dead.

Options Message format only works if you scroll through. You can't pick
one choice. What's worse it's easy to get to "HTML only" (never use it
myself) and virtually impossible to get back to Micro-Ed! In fact, if
you play around with it too much it goes in a huff and freezes and then
dumps your message in the outbox. Could be embarassing if you were on an
automatic blink at the time!

Whilst composing a message The Bat! message screen behind flashes every
ten seconds or so as though it's trying to do something.

Why  are there two alignment menus, one under "Format/Alignment" and the
other next door under "Utilities/Format block"?

Trying  the  "Privacy"  menu  solicits  nothing  either  but then that's
probably  because  I've  stopped using PGP but it doesn't even tell me I
don't have it installed.

On trying to re edit a message you can't resave as draft. You have to
use the close button where it will ask the usual "save message" and then
the message is saved as "parked" in the outbox.

a few seconds later. Now it's saving to the outbox using the toolbar
button.

Not just lots of non working functions but also full of inconsistencies.
errors don't seem to be consistent. Faults occur in different ways at
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Re[2]: sort order

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

C>> I've got the latest messages in top, I kinda like that, but
C>>   Battie want to put those at the bottom.

That's weird  because I like my latest messages at the bottom but it
wanted to put them at the top so I've had to change everything - only
the once though and it remembers all those settings now.

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Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

RO> Well, I don't have that option set (couldn't find it though), but over
RO> here it expands a little.

In that case I think the option is broken because it expands a little
here too. In fact it is the eigth indentation where it won't expand
further.

RW>> Where are the Keyboard shortcuts stored. ALT+F12 just gies an ampty box
RW>> :-(

RO> You can find them in the shortcut.cfg file in your mail directory.
RO> When I try to use my only self defined shortcut, it doesn't work.
RO> Close TB and start an older version and it works, so the file isn't
RO> corrupted...

Yes, found that out too.

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