Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, Just realized that that also happens if you start in a subfolder of an IMAP account. this one is driving me nuts. So In an IMAP account, you have a long list of entries all parked. Then I deleted tehm all and some of them come back... Obviously because the folder is refreshed while deleting the mails. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
constant AVs for Image Download Manager
Hi all, every time I try to create a rule in the Image Download Manager I get a lot of AVs and have to close TB via Task Manager. ,- [ AV message ] | Access violation at address 009EA164 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of | address . `- But after restarting, the rule is working (the good side of an odd behaviour *g*) When reopening the Manager window after restarting TB the AVs come back. Also when setting the option 'show rules' I get AVs. Can anybody confirm? -- Regards, Feli Using The Bat! v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 I have discovered the heart of bushido: to die! [Yamamoto Tsunetomo] Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hello, I have many troubles with setting IDLE mode to work properly with gmail. I have several folders under my main Inbox folder and set filters to sort all incoming and ongoing mail. I've noticed that IDLE command only works when Inbox folder is selected in The Bat! - then I'm getting instant notifications about new mail and filters are working as expected. But when any other folder is selected then IDLE is not working and I have no notifications at all. It should be possible to use IDLE mode regardless of selected folder as in current form it's unusable. -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hello Darzur, Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 11:41:35 AM, you wrote: Hello, I have many troubles with setting IDLE mode to work properly with gmail. I have several folders under my main Inbox folder and set filters to sort all incoming and ongoing mail. I've noticed that IDLE command only works when Inbox folder is selected in The Bat! - then I'm getting instant notifications about new mail and filters are working as expected. But when any other folder is selected then IDLE is not working and I have no notifications at all. Itshould be possible to use IDLE mode regardless of selected folder as in current form it's unusable. As I understand it, IDLE mode can only watch one folder per connection and there are some issue with that e.g. idling in the wrong folder. See: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8351 However, if all of your new mail arrives via the Inbox (it does unless you have server-side mail sorting or another Bat! running elsewhere that filter email before this instance does) the reported bug should fix it. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Dear Darzur, @26-Jan-2011, 12:41 +0100 (26-Jan 11:41 here) Darzur [D] in mid:mpg.27aa26c1757799d0989...@news.gmane.org said: D I have many troubles with setting IDLE mode to work properly with gmail. D I have several folders under my main Inbox folder and set filters to D sort all incoming and ongoing mail. I can only dream of this functionality (sigh). D I've noticed that IDLE command only works when Inbox folder is D selected in The Bat! - then I'm getting instant notifications D about new mail and filters are working as expected. But when any D other folder is selected then IDLE is not working and I have no D notifications at all. Strangely enough, I see the opposite effect. I only get notification of new messages at the instant I change to a different folder than Inbox (or manually request new messages with F2 or the menu/toolbar options). -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpEhF88DpDJO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hello Marck, Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:13:45 PM, you wrote: Dear Darzur, @26-Jan-2011, 12:41 +0100 (26-Jan 11:41 here) Darzur [D] in mid:mpg.27aa26c1757799d0989...@news.gmane.org said: D I have many troubles with setting IDLE mode to work properly with gmail. D I have several folders under my main Inbox folder and set filters to D sort all incoming and ongoing mail. I can only dream of this functionality (sigh). Oh dear! Which IMAP server do you use? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:03:37 +, Tony Hoare tony- az5zprsq3fs9fhfhhbb...@public.gmane.org says... As I understand it, IDLE mode can only watch one folder per connection and there are some issue with that e.g. idling in the wrong folder. But for me (and probably for many others too) it will be enough. My entire filtering is done on client side so every message goes through my Inbox folder. Problem is that this folder have to be selected in The Bat! for IDLE to work. It works perfectly in Firebird - no matter what folder is selected I'm always getting instant notifications and all incoming messages are properly filtered. If it can work in freeware app, then why it can't be done in The Bat? See: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8351 However, if all of your new mail arrives via the Inbox (it does unless you have server-side mail sorting or another Bat! running elsewhere that filter email before this instance does) the reported bug should fix it. Exactly. See above. :) -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:13:45 +, Marck Pearlstone marck- x1nb5wr35zavvamlhrw...@public.gmane.org says... D I have many troubles with setting IDLE mode to work properly with gmail. D I have several folders under my main Inbox folder and set filters to D sort all incoming and ongoing mail. I can only dream of this functionality (sigh). But it works perfectly in other aps. Even free Thunderbird does it without any hassle. Strangely enough, I see the opposite effect. I only get notification of new messages at the instant I change to a different folder than Inbox (or manually request new messages with F2 or the menu/toolbar options). Mybe you don't have Automatically connect to the server - At startup selected? And maybe it's some problem with your mailbox. I'm using gmail and it works as I've described. -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Dear Tony, @26-Jan-2011, 12:20 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:1374568907.20110126122...@parkinch.co.uk said to Marck: ... snip I can only dream of this functionality (sigh). TH Oh dear! TH Which IMAP server do you use? MDaemon 8.0.3 - I am unable to upgrade this version - long story. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgp75jVtxW4rh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Dear Darzur, @26-Jan-2011, 13:43 +0100 (26-Jan 12:43 here) Darzur [D] in mid:mpg.27aa356a9d2bda3e989...@news.gmane.org said: ... snip I can only dream of this functionality (sigh). D But it works perfectly in other aps. Even free Thunderbird does it D without any hassle. Confirmed!! I do use ThunderBird in some virtual dev machines and for testing MAPI functionality in software I write. It has no problems like this. Strangely enough, I see the opposite effect. I only get notification of new messages at the instant I change to a different folder than Inbox (or manually request new messages with F2 or the menu/toolbar options). D Mybe you don't have Automatically connect to the server - At startup D selected? I do. D And maybe it's some problem with your mailbox. I'm using gmail D and it works as I've described. I use GMail too, but not often. It seems to work ok, not that I get more than two messages per month. My K-9 mail app on my Android phone also has no such problems. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpYYiOvTfvCx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:16:42 +0200, Vilius Šumskas vilius- s1cezwje...@public.gmane.org says... That's the way IDLE works. It can only work on one folder per connection at a time. And ONLY on IMAP SELECTed folder. It doesn't mean that The Bat! should issue IMAP SELECT command if user changed his current folder on the client of course! However I personaly vote for the current behaviour. That's because I'm using server-side filters and new mail can arrive in multiple folders for me, and I usually be idling on the most important for the moment folder. So this behaviour should be selectable. Thunderbird works in a way I've described without problems. It's very annoying to remember to select Inbox after any new read message and I often forget to do this. And if you have server side filtering then you never know when you have new mail in a particular folder before you select it? Then how can you know that you've got a new message? -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
That's the way IDLE works. It can only work on one folder per connection at a time. And ONLY on IMAP SELECTed folder. It doesn't mean that The Bat! should issue IMAP SELECT command if user changed his current folder on the client of course! However I personaly vote for the current behaviour. That's because I'm using server-side filters and new mail can arrive in multiple folders for me, and I usually be idling on the most important for the moment folder. So this behaviour should be selectable. Thunderbird works in a way I've described without problems. It's very annoying to remember to select Inbox after any new read message and I often forget to do this. And if you have server side filtering then you never know when you have new mail in a particular folder before you select it? Then how can you know that you've got a new message? I think you are confusing IDLE with synchronization. It doesn't matter what folder you have selected, as long as your client syncs every 2 or 5 or ... minutes the new mail will arrive. It just a little slower than waiting for IDLE. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hi Vilius, I think you are confusing IDLE with synchronization. And I think you meant subscription here. As you have to be subscribed for synchronization to work, don't you? -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:05:53 +0200, Vilius Šumskas vilius- s1cezwje...@public.gmane.org says... I think you are confusing IDLE with synchronization. It doesn't matter what folder you have selected, as long as your client syncs every 2 or 5 or ... minutes the new mail will arrive. It just a little slower than waiting for IDLE. No, synchronization isn't what I was writing about. During synchronization email client have to poll server every defined period of time. So first its not immediate unless I set very short (i.e. 1s) synchronization period, and second it makes unnecessary network traffic especially when synchronization period is short. Of course before 5.0 I had to use synchronization because former TB vesions didn't support IDLE mode. But now it works but not in the way I was expecting and not how other clients (i.e. Thunderbird) works. -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hi Vilius, I think you are confusing IDLE with synchronization. And I think you meant subscription here. As you have to be subscribed for synchronization to work, don't you? No and Yes. Subscriptions are not Syncronization (or Pooling in Thunderbird's case). Subscriptions are server side and mainly are used by the IMAP client to separate important and other_available folders. In IMAP you can have hundreds and thousands mailboxes available. For example: user.userA.INBOX user.userA.INBOX.tbbeta user.userA.Trash user.userA.Sent Mail shared#.digitalfax shared#.conference IMAP mailbox shared#.fax can be shared by mail server admins to all users. But not all of them works with fax or need it. So they decide to unsubscribe from that folder. Syncronization works on top of all this by doing actual job by syncing mailboxes, but IMAP client can sync any folder. It doesn't matter if it was subscribed or not. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:05:53 +0200, Vilius Šumskas vilius- s1cezwje...@public.gmane.org says... I think you are confusing IDLE with synchronization. It doesn't matter what folder you have selected, as long as your client syncs every 2 or 5 or ... minutes the new mail will arrive. It just a little slower than waiting for IDLE. No, synchronization isn't what I was writing about. During synchronization email client have to poll server every defined period of time. So first its not immediate unless I set very short (i.e. 1s) synchronization period, and second it makes unnecessary network traffic especially when synchronization period is short. Of course before 5.0 I had to use synchronization because former TB vesions didn't support IDLE mode. But now it works but not in the way I was expecting and not how other clients (i.e. Thunderbird) works. Thunderbird does so by opening 5 connection to 5 different folders. And as far as I know 5 is the limit. So if you are using more than 5 folders you have to enable syncronization anyway. IMAP IDLE does not replace syncronization. There is IMAP NOTIFY extension on the rise to combine best of both worlds but for now there is no easy way to make IMAP IDLE command work in all folders. Again, The Bat developers can decide which folder the client should idle, but current method is the best IMHO. It follows the whole IMAP philosophy. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Hello Vilius, Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:55:50 PM, you wrote: Snip... Again, The Bat developers can decide which folder the client should idle, but current method is the best IMHO. It follows the whole IMAP philosophy. My vote would be for an option to idle in Inobx or idle in last read mailbox. With multiple connections, option for one to idle in the Inbox and the others to most recently used. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Sveiki, Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 5:04:52 PM, you wrote: Hello Vilius, Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:55:50 PM, you wrote: Snip... Again, The Bat developers can decide which folder the client should idle, but current method is the best IMHO. It follows the whole IMAP philosophy. My vote would be for an option to idle in Inobx or idle in last read mailbox. With multiple connections, option for one to idle in the Inbox and the others to most recently used. +1 but this should be low priority, considering other more important things (like syncronisation) currently doesn't work at all. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:55:50 +0200, Vilius Šumskas vilius- s1cezwje...@public.gmane.org says... Thunderbird does so by opening 5 connection to 5 different folders.Andas far as I know 5 is the limit. So if you are using more than 5 folders you have to enable syncronization anyway. Hmm... checked it again. With only 1 active connection Thunderbird works like you described - Inbox have to be selected to get new emails. But when I've enabled second connection it started to act as per my description. I have almost 60 subfolders in my Inbox and with 2 active connections and all synchronization options disabled I'm always getting instant notifications and proper filtering. It looks like with one available connection it idles in actually selected folder, but when there is more connections available one of them always idles on inbox. And I think this is very good compromise - good for me and good for you. Unfortunately I hate Thunderbird so I hope The Bat! will finally have good IMAP service. -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
Thunderbird does so by opening 5 connection to 5 different folders.Andas far as I know 5 is the limit. So if you are using more than 5 folders you have to enable syncronization anyway. Hmm... checked it again. With only 1 active connection Thunderbird works like you described - Inbox have to be selected to get new emails. But when I've enabled second connection it started to act as per my description. I have almost 60 subfolders in my Inbox and with 2 active connections and all synchronization options disabled I'm always getting instant notifications and proper filtering. It looks like with one available connection it idles in actually selected folder, but when there is more connections available one of them always idles on inbox. And I think this is very good compromise - good for me and good for you. Unfortunately I hate Thunderbird so I hope The Bat! will finally have good IMAP service. I think that it should work the other way around. If 1 connection is available then selected folder should be idled. And if more than 1 is used then one of these connections should idle inbox. I would really hate The Bat! for using 2 connections just to IDLE. This really makes no sense from IMAP point of view. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:29:25 +0200, Vilius Šumskas vilius- s1cezwje...@public.gmane.org says... I think that it should work the other way around. If 1 connection is available then selected folder should be idled. And if more than 1 is used then one of these connections should idle inbox. I would really hate The Bat! for using 2 connections just to IDLE. This really makes no sense from IMAP point of view. So it's exactly like I described for Thunderbird in my former post - it works that way. And in my opinion it's most logical solution. P.S. Please do something with your email/newsgroups reader as your posts are barely readable and very hard to quote. Every line should be wrapped at 80th character. :) -- br, Zurek Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange behavior od IMAP IDLE Mode.
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 1:08:33 PM, Darzur wrote: P.S. Please do something with your email/newsgroups reader as your posts are barely readable and very hard to quote. Every line should be wrapped at 80th character. :) while making suggestions about client behavior, it would be an improvement if your messages would thread by reference. :) -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When using Locate original from VF, there is empty preview sometimes
martes, 25 ene 2011 at 15:16, it seems you wrote: I have used Locate original today manytimes and in half of cases, TB jumps from VF to folder and selects original message, but preview pane is empty and displays No message loaded only. Anybody can confirm? Confirmed here partially. I tested changing the viewer to plain text and after this change it goes ok. After this test I changed another time to rich edit viewer and now it runs ok. m I closed and reopened TB! and the first time goes wrong. The next time I waited a bit and the message appeared. It could be related with the CPU eating of the last versions of TB! -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering in 5.0.0.132
I had a message in a non account based folder that I wanted to filter to another folder. I built the filter and checked the option to filter the current folder. When it filtered it did not filter the message (this was also broken in v4.2) but what it did is start deleting messaged starting with the oldest. By the time I stopped it 150 messages were deleted. I reloaded 4.2 to be able to view deleted messages and got them back. -- Rick Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering in 5.0.0.132
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 5:57:44 PM, Rick wrote: I reloaded 4.2 to be able to view deleted messages and got them back. actually, viewing deleted messages is working fine in the current betas -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
