Re: Cannot install 3.5 over 3.5.0.14 (or There and back again)

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Mary, 

On 24 May 2005, 20:43 you wrote:

> Anyway, in the future, I'll just remove or rename thebat.exe before
> trying to do a downgrade msi install.

Another useful tip... make a copy of thebat.exe in your TB! folder
before upgrading, e.g. thebat-3.5.11.exe. I usually keep a few
different versions there.


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Re: Cannot install 3.5 over 3.5.0.14 (or There and back again)

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Simon, 

On 24 May 2005, 19:53 you wrote:

Mary>> If that doesn't work, I think I'm in Big Trouble!

> Mary, delete the "thebat.exe" then run the 3.5 installer - select
> the repair option - that will work...

Just to confirm... this is the way to go. Note: you may not see the
repair option. If not, just reinstall.


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Threading quirk

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Hello tbbeta, 

Occasionally I receive an reply to a thread that's orphaned, e.g.
 (see Capture1.png.) A
moment later, or after switching between folders the message has found
itself back in the thread (see Capture2.png.) At first I thought I was
imagining things... but now I have the evidence. I chose Tony's
"orphaned" message after seeing this behaviour with
 and
. The first jumped into
the thread as soon as I received Thomas's reply. Yet, they are
incorrectly threaded.

Can anyone cast some light on this? BTW, I'm using thread by reference
only.


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Re: [OT] Can any German please help with very short translation?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Manuel, 

On 20 May 2005, 15:58 you wrote:

>> Sorry, I don't know a word in German. Can anyone translate and send it
>> by PM?

>>> Sehr geehrter Herr Urech,
>>> wäre es möglich, daß ich die Newsletter auf Deutsch erhalten kann.
>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen

> Dear Mr. Urech,
> would it be possible to get the newsletters in German.
> Yours sincerely

I guess the answer's no! ;-)


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Re: IMAP - mail lost!

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Peter, 

On 19 May 2005, 17:00 you wrote:

>   on one of my IMAP accounts there were 13 new messages.

>   All of them had been displayed TWICE in the inbox. Well, I deleted the
>   duplicates and had 13 messages left.

>   Then I performed a purge&compress on that folder - with the result that ALL
>   new messages are gone! Including a really important one.

>   It seems that TB just displayed the messages twice "virtually" whereas they
>   physically were present once.

>   Has anybody else seen this "nice" (NOT) behaviour before? :-((

Yes, I found out the hard way too. It often happens after my PC
restores from hibernating. Fortunately, I can always recover the
messages as I copy all mail to a backup mailbox before sorting.

BTW, did you select and delete or simply use remove duplicates?


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Re: v3.5 status

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Hello Mary, 

On 19 May 2005, 00:13 you wrote:

> If I hadn't got the "yellowish icons" from MAU, which solved the
> problems that the default transparent blue ghosts were giving my old
> eyes, I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no
> diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox:

Diatribbles more likely! ;-)


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Re: v3.5 status

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Hello Martin, 

On 18 May 2005, 19:57 you wrote:

>> As Miguel says, if you don't like it don't use it. The choice is
>> yours... but please spare us your diatribe.

> This one is to easy - it sound like "shut up".

That is not what I said. I was referring to the use of harsh language.


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Re: v3.5 status

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Hello Alto, 

On 18 May 2005, 12:56 you wrote:

> I don't expect an answer from RIT to emails in which I accuse them of
> amateurism and incompetency in their development procedures, even if
> in my opinion one would be warranted nevertheless.

Your constant gibes, which are unwarranted and offensive are becoming
tiresome... to me and I suspect the developers. Contrary to what you
say, Ritlabs has shown considerable good will lately, is listening to
the community, and has produced a significantly improved product. As
Miguel says, if you don't like it don't use it. The choice is yours...
but please spare us your diatribe.


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Re[3]: IMAP in 3.5

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Alto, 

On 16 May 2005, 13:18 you wrote:

> Here it's worse then ever before. With v3.01, the connection would
> block at the start and resume after a few minutes of thinking (not
> transfering anything as evident from a line monitor). Now, I can have
> ten connections sitting there and not starting at all. Right now e.g.
> we have 15 minutes and counting.

> (Addendum: We are now at 20 minutes and counting.)

You forgot to turn on your modem again?


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Re[3]: RC9 Unfixed issues

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Julien, 

On 13 May 2005, 20:07 you wrote:

> Humm, I checked and re-checked and... but no. No .xml file, and no
> .png file. Only a tbuser.def in the /MAIL folder, but I still have the
> problem with and without it (only lose preferences)
> Anyway, even a fresh clean install gives me the problem, so it would
> have been strange.

> Any other clue ?

A long shot... try opening Windows XP Display Properties | Appearance
| Windows and Buttons and changing your default style to something
else and back again *and* only then using Apply. This fixes a similar
problem on another program I use and seems related to the way Windows
saves my favourite theme, i.e. My Favorite Theme.theme.


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Re: imap doing strange?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Cees, 

On 12 May 2005, 17:44 you wrote:

>   I'm noticing that messages are not being (re)loaded only the first few. And
>   I  get  a  hell  of  a  lot  of  duplicates   Anyone else noticing this
>   behaviour?

I have seen a few duplicates with RC8. Likewise, some messages fail to
load/reload. IMAP performance has definitely degenerated since RC7.


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IMAP TBB/TBI file naming

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Hello tbbeta, 

Does anyone know why IMAP TBB/TBI files use the following naming
convention, e.g.:

 038867D0.TBB
 03F2D9B4.TBI
 ...

It would be much better if folder names were adopted. What's the
rationale behind the current naming convention?


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Empty message in ticker

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Hello tbbeta, 

I'm still seeing the occasional empty message on the ticker...

Date: 30 Dec 1899
Size: -1b

It won't go away unless I restart TB!


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Re[2]: Current version?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Tony, 

On 10 May 2005, 21:50 you wrote:

AM>> It's IMAP. All about IMAP.

>  Thought as much. I still haven't tried IMAP, still a bit frightened :)

Go on, give it a go. Try a Cwazy account; it's not Gmail (only 135MB)
but you can check out IMAP for free. See http://www.cwazy.co.uk/.


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Re[2]: Cosmetic: Scroll Bars [was Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC7 is now available]

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Stuart, 

On 10 May 2005, 22:21 you wrote:

MB>> Further about Scroll Bars: scaling (empty lines/white space at bottom)
MB>> in Account Folder Tree and Message List still needs fixing.

> Yes only if you click on the scroll bar just above the scroll button.
> If you click on the scroll button it works as it should.

Confirmed. I hadn't noticed that since I tend to use the mouse wheel.


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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC7 is now available

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Mary, 

On 10 May 2005, 20:22 you wrote:

>> [-] Minor : costmetic issues

> Spelling of "Sorting Office" in icon textbox of Main Window toolbar
> fixed--thanks a mil, 9Val! :)

Also, scroll bars working correctly for folder tree and message list.
Could same fix apply to the preview pane? Currently, message keeps
scrolling until the last line is all that's shown, i.e. top of pane
(scroll bar stops but message continues to this point.) Using PTV...
okay with RTV.


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Re[2]: Memory usage

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Peter, 

On 10 May 2005, 15:04 you wrote:

MWot>> I use the RTV... and switching to PTV does help. Memory usage stays at
MWot>> around 30M whilst VM goes up to 305M (from ~20M.) PC remains
MWot>> responsive while message loads albeit it takes about 10 seconds to
MWot>> display the message. VM isn't freed up.

> Seems to be the problem described in
> ?!?

Thank you. I'll add some information to BT.


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Re[2]: Current version?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Stuart, 

On 10 May 2005, 14:28 you wrote:

MWot>> Could we have an authoritative statement on the current RC please? It
MWot>> isn't helpful seeing comments simultaneously relating to RC5, RC6 and
MWot>> and upcoming RC7.

> Actually, there was a RC6 released that was aimed only at people
> testing OTFE (the old secure bat). There were not supposed to be any
> other changes other than that.

That may be the case... I'm simply asking for clarity. However,
testing a nightly build (or otherwise) in order help with a specific
problem should not lead to unofficial announcements and confusion over
the current beta. Unless specifically asked to test an alternative
version, I would have thought that we (beta testers) should stick to
the version identified in every message footer; Current beta is 3.5
Return RC/5.


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Re[2]: Current version?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Allie, 

On 10 May 2005, 13:41 you wrote:

> I must humbly, politely and subserviently apologise for my contribution
> to the confusion. My recent report on a crash with the subject having
> RC/6 in it, was wrong. I am currently testing RC/5.

There's no need to apologise... I saw from your signature that you
were using RC5 and assumed the subject was a typo.


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Current version?

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Hello tbbeta, 

Could we have an authoritative statement on the current RC please? It
isn't helpful seeing comments simultaneously relating to RC5, RC6 and
and upcoming RC7.

I was under the impression that we were testing RC5, i.e. what's
available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/.

Summary
Upcoming release version:   3.5.0   
Latest test build:  3.5 Release Candidate 5 
Issues being resolved:  Customisable interface and other improvements

Thanks.


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Re[2]: Memory usage

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello 9Val, 

On 10 May 2005, 10:36 you wrote:

MWot>> I exported the message and repeated again with IMAP and local folder;
MWot>> same result.

> Do you use RTV or PTV? Does switching help?

I use the RTV... and switching to PTV does help. Memory usage stays at
around 30M whilst VM goes up to 305M (from ~20M.) PC remains
responsive while message loads albeit it takes about 10 seconds to
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Memory usage

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Hello tbbeta, 

This morning my server sent an unusually large log file (30,000 lines
~ 2.6M) causing TB! to use 370M memory/VM. After switching to another
folder memory usage stays at this level and VM continues to grow.
Memory isn't freed after deleting/purging the message. The only
solution is restarting TB!

I exported the message and repeated again with IMAP and local folder;
same result.

Surely TB! should handle this better?


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Re: IMAP: Importing messages to IMAP mailbox/folder

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Allie, 

On 10 May 2005, 04:02 you wrote:

> I see that importing mail to an IMAP mailbox/folder leads to the
> messages being added only to the local cache. Restoring the cache
> deletes those messages and there doesn't seem to be a way for them to
> reach the *real* IMAP mailbox/folder unless you import them to a local
> TB! account and then drag and drop them to the IMAP folder/mailbox.

Confirmed. I'm sure this worked a few releases ago.


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Re[2]: AC on Remove Duplicates

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Matt, 

On 09 May 2005, 17:10 you wrote:

>> Happens about 1 out of every 2 times I try to do this...

>> IMAP account - Remove Duplicates - Access Violation.

>> I tested it a few times with some POP accounts but could not duplicate
>> it.

> Replying to myself...forgot to put in the version I am using.

> 3.4 RC4

What about RC5? Also, were there any duplicates? I haven't been able
to reproduce this... no duplicates reported.


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Re[2]: IMAP header wow

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Raymund, 

On 08 May 2005, 21:29 you wrote:

>> I'm sure this was resolved in an earlier beta or RC... I haven't
>> seen it for some time. Perhaps you need to clear the cache and start
>> over?

> Well, it reappeared here, too. But only after you clicked on a new mail
> before TB, was ready for it. That was the first thing Gary described,
> clicking on the mail and no message body appears. After that you get
> the wrong message body shown, if you use the folder view.

Do you use syncronisation? For me, I get best results with no
synchronisation. Only when I browse messages is the body retrieved;
this includes attachments < 10kB. However, the server is on my
LAN...so I'm going to try TB! with a remote IMAP server in the next
few days.


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Re: IMAP header wow

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Hello Gary, 

On 08 May 2005, 14:49 you wrote:

> However, I now click on an email and a different body shows up than the one
> that is in the list. So the email header in message list is associated with
> the wrong body, which happens to be the next one down on message list. Upon
> clicking on the two mixed emails, this does nothing... still shows incorrect
> body.

I'm sure this was resolved in an earlier beta or RC... I haven't
seen it for some time. Perhaps you need to clear the cache and start
over?


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Re: Whatever happened to Alt-L???

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Mark, 

On 06 May 2005, 18:50 you wrote:

> I used to hit Alt-L to delete all the messages in a folder.

> That doesn't work any longer (probably already reported by others). Is there
> a way to get this working again?

Ctrl+Del?


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Re[2]: Anyone wants to try my yellowish icons?

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Mary, 

On 05 May 2005, 23:01 you wrote:

> I did this. Unzipped to The Bat! folder, but TB! is not using them. Is
> there a subfolder they should be in? (Note: I unzipped using WinRar)

Check that you don't have a new folder called "Program Files" in your
TB! folder... if you told WinRAR to extract in C:\Program Files\The Bat!
it will have added the full path so you need to extract to your root
folder instead. HTH.


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Virtual folder counts

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

Since moving to 3.0.9.20 virtual folder counts aren't updating
correctly, i.e. message status remains unread unless I use Ctrl-R (or
right-click Refresh.)


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Re: 3.5 ?

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Hello Cees, 

On 28 April 2005, 20:54 you wrote:

>   v3.5 coming up soon?
>   I'm so very sceptical with IMAP being as it is now.

I don't think it's there yet... but IMAP is really good for me. Better
than any other product I've tried (which is probably every
IMAP-capable client out there.) Of course, my good fortune isn't much
use to you. However, I think we could try to better understand the
circumstances that TB! behaves well or otherwise.

A while ago (3.0.1.33 through 3.0.2.5) we compiled some information in
a spreadsheet on different IMAP configurations. Would it be useful if
we resurrect this? For instance, I use TB! on a 100 Mb/s connection
and do all my filtering server-side. Whereas you use some client-side
filtering and may have a completely different network set-up.

BTW, I thought you were going to watch a movie. :-)


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Re: Save viewmode to... AV

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello,

On 23 April 2005, 11:53 you wrote:

> When I attempt to save a viewmode using the content menu I get the
> following AV:

>   AV at address 00AA3D2A. Read of address 0030.

For clarity, that is "Save Viewmode to..." and "New Viewmode..." It's
still present in 1.0.9.19. Moreover, menu items, tool bar buttons etc.
no longer work after this AV... I have to close (using x only) and
restart TB! Can anyone confirm? BTW, the viewmode isn't saved.


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Re[2]: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and "Browse Deleted Messages"

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Allie, 

On 24 April 2005, 21:54 you wrote:

> That's if you know which tbb and tbi files to delete. They don't follow
> the naming of the IMAP mailboxes. Additionally, doesn't clearing the
> cache basically do that?

Wouldn't it be nice if TB! followed the same naming convention used
with POP3 accounts, e.g. tbbeta.TBB?


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Save viewmode to... AV

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

When I attempt to save a viewmode using the content menu I get the
following AV:

  AV at address 00AA3D2A. Read of address 0030.


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Re[2]: still can't run TB on my desktop

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Dwight, 

On 19 April 2005, 20:50 you wrote:

>> Do you have the same problem with 3.0.1.33? If so, I think you would
>> do better seeking help on TBUDL as there are so many issues with the
>> current beta you may not get a useful reply here.

> The lack of useful replies there drove me to pre-betas, and enquiring
> here. At least here, there is some chance someone it trying to fix
> something. No one, I assume is making repairs to 3.0.1.33, and no one
> has ever addressed my question about whether start up settings can be
> changed when one is not running, so one can experiment about trying to
> start up.

You presuppose there's a bug that's causing your problem. Given that
the problem is present from 3.0.1.33 through 3.0.9.17 it may well be
something else in your configuration.

I still reckon you're more likely to get help on TBUDL since your
problem is *not* tied to the current beta.


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Re: still can't run TB on my desktop

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Dwight, 

On 19 April 2005, 16:49 you wrote:

> I have been unable to get TB! to run on my desktop at home for some
> months now. I have posted about this a few times and gotten no
> answers.

> Now, I keep hoping something will change in one of the betas and it
> will work, but no luck. No, I am not running any virus checkers. I
> know that there was an instruction about being sure to uncheck some
> boxes recently, but I can't stay open long enough to look at anything.
> Connection Centre runs a brief time, then things just vanish.

> I will ask again if there is a way to change settings without having
> TB! running which would stop the mail checking, to see if it would
> stay open if that wasn't going on?

Do you have the same problem with 3.0.1.33? If so, I think you would
do better seeking help on TBUDL as there are so many issues with the
current beta you may not get a useful reply here.


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Re[2]: Drag and drop not working correctly

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Greg, 

On 17 April 2005, 16:42 you wrote:

>>> I can no longer drag and drop a message from the message list to the
>>> account tree if the destination folder isn't visible, i.e. off the
>>> bottom of the screen.

>> Can't confirm.

> I messed up on install of v3.0.9.16 which is why you probably can not
> confirm. See my message to Mary per
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've just got in and restarted my PC and it's fine. Notably the
scroll-down button is now present on the folder tree.


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Drag and drop not working correctly

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

I can no longer drag and drop a message from the message list to the
account tree if the destination folder isn't visible, i.e. off the
bottom of the screen. Beforehand the account tree would scroll as you
moved the message toward the bottom of the screen.

Things work correctly if you view the bottom of the tree and want to
drop a message into a folder at the top.

Can anyone confirm?

I also note that there isn't a scroll down button on the account tree.


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Re[2]: thebat.exe has generated errors....

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Martin, 

On 16 April 2005, 20:45 you wrote:

>> Getting "thebat.exe has generated arrors and will be closed by Windows.
>> A log file is being created". Beta 16 won't load at all on my system.
>> back to 15 for now.

> Ditto.

Deleted batskin.xml and batlogo.xml before reinstalling 3.0.9.16...
and it works.


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Re: thebat.exe has generated errors....

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Chris, 

On 16 April 2005, 20:44 you wrote:

> Getting "thebat.exe has generated arrors and will be closed by Windows.
> A log file is being created". Beta 16 won't load at all on my system.
> back to 15 for now.

Ditto.


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Re[2]: Some more interface and IMAP observations

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Henk, 

On 13 April 2005, 12:03 you wrote:

MWot> 2. When minimised to the System Tray TB! requires two-clicks to come
MWot> to the foreground.

  Can't confirm that, one click here.

MB>>> Confirmed here. Two clicks.

C>>  nope, not confirmed here.
C>>  This  behaviour I noticed with the previous beta, this one requires only 
one
C>>  click.

> Confirmed and not confirmed ;-)

> When I rightclick I get the small menu with restore but when I
> leftclick this goes in one.

For some it does... for some it don't. :-) For me, I no longer require
two clicks. I used the context menu once (right click) and now things
work as expected. How bizarre... This even applies after a reboot.


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Re[4]: 0 Byte IMAP messages still an issue

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Matt, 

On 12 April 2005, 22:20 you wrote:

 I am still getting the random empty message, 0 byte size, with headers
 only on my IMAP accounts. I have confirmed that I can see the same
 messages just fine with alternate IMAP clients.

>> I haven't seen this since I started uses the 3.0.9.x beta series. What
>> IMAP Fine-Tune options do you have?

> Retrieve message structures together with headers, checked
> Compress folders when switching to another folder, checked
> When online refresh folders every 30 seconds
> Courier IMAP server compatibility mode, checked
> Auto Filtering, checked
> Use precise counters, checked
> Allow up to 2 connections.

Pretty much how I'm set-up. The only difference is that I don't use
Courier IMAP and have When browsing messages, retrieve... checked. I
can't be certain but I think the last time I saw a zero-byte message
was when I used UW-IMAP. I recently switched to Dovecot (again.).


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Some more interface and IMAP observations

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

I only started using the latest beta in earnest a week or so ago and
have made the following observations (some trivial):

1. Line spacing in the message list in incorrect (compressed) when
starting TB!. Opening and closing Preferences puts thing right.

2. When minimised to the System Tray TB! requires two-clicks to come
to the foreground.

3. There's no "Manage IMAP Folders" option in the folder tree context
menu. :-(

4. The Verify OpenPGP Signature icon, attachments icon etc. (message
viewer) is shown on a white background. Move the mouse over the icon
and the theme is correctly displayed. See screen shot (Capture1.png.)

5. The IMAP Fine-Tune display has problems: see screen shot
(Capture2.png.)

6. When new messages arrive (IMAP) the message counts are correct but
folders containing new messages are not highlighted with bold text
until another folder is selected.

7. If you drag a message to another folder the folder tree text
temporarily turns black. Only affects folders with colour group
applied.

8. Scroll bar behavior is erratic. For instance, the bar will not move
to the bottom when using the mouse wheel albeit all messages/folders
are displayed. Conversely, dragging the bar down results in a
partially empty pane.

9. If IMAP is set to disconnect after n seconds TB! fails to reconnect
if another message is selected from the same folder and isn't cached
locally. Switching to any folder re-establishes a connection.

10. Dragging and dropping messages (IMAP) can sometimes corrupt the
mailbox. TB! just shows an empty folder whereas Thunderbird reports an
Internal Error. The only solution is to delete the mailbox file. I
have retained a sample copy of a corrupt mailbox file.

11. Using the Delete key to delete messages sometimes causes an AV at
0040451E read of address 4C0A9E88.

That's all for the moment... apologies if some of these have already
been reported.

However, I must add that IMAP support is good and on par with
Thunderbird on a fast (LAN) connection and much quicker than KMail
(running on SUSE 9.1 and Windows XP/Cygwin.) Thanks 9Val et al.


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Re[2]: 0 Byte IMAP messages still an issue

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Neal, 

On 12 April 2005, 20:21 you wrote:

>> I am still getting the random empty message, 0 byte size, with headers
>> only on my IMAP accounts. I have confirmed that I can see the same
>> messages just fine with alternate IMAP clients.

>> Still a HUGE issue. Anyone else seeing this?

I haven't seen this since I started uses the 3.0.9.x beta series. What
IMAP Fine-Tune options do you have?

> Oh yeah - bigtime. All attachments are 0 bytes. It's very
> disappointing to me to have to fire up Thunderbird to run IMAP
> attachments. the only thing I'd like to do with Thunderbird is make
> Thunderbird Soup.

Is "When browsing messages, retrieve only message text" checked in
Account Properties? If it is, it's quite normal to see zero-byte
files. To retrieve, simply double-click the attachment icon.


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Re[2]: Indication of status Online/Offline for IMAP account in accounts pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Stuart, 

On 12 April 2005, 13:14 you wrote:

>> How about making some change to the icon next to account name in the
>> status bar - bottom left corner?

> Alternatively, allow the user to define a colour to associate with the
> various statuses. That way those not interested in this functionality
> can left the selections as the default (black) for all of them and no
> one needs lose any screen real estate.

That's why I suggested the current icon... no loss of "screen real
estate". Moreover, using colour with folders is not an option since
that's how you define additional tabs: All, Unread, Virtual, Lists
etc.


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Re[2]: Indication of status Online/Offline for IMAP account in accounts pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Alto, 

On 12 April 2005, 10:42 you wrote:

> If this feature is integrated, please use another way of representing
> the status or at least make it optional.

How about making some change to the icon next to account name in the
status bar - bottom left corner?


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Re[4]: Custom headers and preview pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Martin, 

On 10 April 2005, 17:39 you wrote:

> Even stranger behaviour... see attached image. Header is displayed
> twice!

Forget that... I have two identical headers in the message. It looks
like I need to use 'formail -a "X-Folder: $MATCH' instead of 'formail
-A "X-Folder: $MATCH"' in my .procmailrc.


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Re[3]: Custom headers and preview pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Martin, 

>> Most likely you have defined to "Display this field on the scrollable
>> part of the header pane". Uncheck that option and you should see it without
>> the necessity to scroll.

> That was it... of sorts. Although I had changed this setting a restart
> was required to get the desired effect. However, things went awry
> while testing this out. When I changed two of my custom headers TB!
> confused both of them. For example, I selected X-Folder and
> X-Spam-Status was displayed and visa versa.

Even stranger behaviour... see attached image. Header is displayed
twice!


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Re[2]: Custom headers and preview pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello Peter, 

On 10 April 2005, 17:05 you wrote:

MWot>> However, the new header isn't available without a restart. Can anyone
MWot>> confirm?

> Confirmed.

MWot>> Also, I note that the header area is of fixed size, i.e. only three
MWot>> headers are viable at any one time. Is this intentional?

> Not confirmed!

> Most likely you have defined to "Display this field on the scrollable
> part of the header pane". Uncheck that option and you should see it without
> the necessity to scroll.

That was it... of sorts. Although I had changed this setting a restart
was required to get the desired effect. However, things went awry
while testing this out. When I changed two of my custom headers TB!
confused both of them. For example, I selected X-Folder and
X-Spam-Status was displayed and visa versa.


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Custom headers and preview pane

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

If you want to display a custom header in the the preview pane (e.g.
X-Spam-Status) you first create an entry under Preferences; Messages;
Message Headers. However, the new header isn't available without a
restart. Can anyone confirm?

Also, I note that the header area is of fixed size, i.e. only three
headers are viable at any one time. Is this intentional?


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Re[2]: Dodgy Split modes

[Martin Webster on TBBETA]

Hello Roger,

Thursday, March 31, 2005, 6:57:33 PM, you wrote:

SH>> Of course, my understanding of what's meant by horizontal/vertical
SH>> split could be at odds with everyone else's.

> I thik it is just that Ritlabs, as opposed to other people such as you
> and  I,  interpret  split  in a different way. I think of a horizontal
> split  as  meaning a window with horizontal 'split lines'. Ritlabs use
> horizontal  split  to  mean  a  horizontal  row  of panes. As far as I
> remember it has always been like this; which one has the majority vote
> I don't know.

No, I think things have gone awry. Try full-height preview pane...


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Re: B8: Font colour changes for IMAP folders

[Martin Webster on TBBETA]

 
Hello Gary,

On 01 September 2004, 18:58 -0500 (02/09/200400:58 local time) Gary [G]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...

G> I only mentioned it as I am now tracking problematic IMAP servers using TB!
G> and this would help me. If you recall, someone previously had problems with
G> Courier IMAP, enough so, that a specific fix was offered in the TB! account
G> properties... I am trying to get a feel for those IMAP servers, no matter
G> what OS is used, or what mail format they use, which have problems with TB!,
G> and what those problems are, which you were kind enough to indicate.

...

I use UW-IMAP with mbx... That is, all messages are stored in a single
file, which is seen by the client as a selectable folder containing
messages. Physical folders that contain these files should be
non-selectable.

For instance, the default setting on my system (ClarkConnect 2.2) is as
follows:

/var/mail/user-id
  Inbox

/home/user-id/
  .mailboxlist
  /home/user-id/mail/
Sent
Drafts
Outbox
Trash

mail/ should non-selectable. Moreover, you cannot see this folder using
Squirrelmail (albeit there may be an option to view these folders) and
in Thunderbird the folder is visible (grey) but non-selectable.

G> Try setting the Root folder in IMAP options to
G> either INBOX or INBOX/  or INBOX.  see what happens..

This is set to /home/user-id/ but it makes little difference either way.

One thing I have noticed is that TB! sometimes takes an inordinate
amount of time to refresh the folder list and after this is done _all_
folders are grey with the exception of Inbox, (Sent and Outbox*.) They
only return to black after a restart or if I Abort all in the CC.
However, as soon as another folder is selected all folders not processed
return to grey.

Also, TB! sometimes seems to get bogged down executing a command (e.g.
scanning a folder) with loads of other commands queued up... then
it's time for a restart (or frequent use of Abort all.)

Overall the latest build is a very good IMAP experience. However, I do
use Procmail for filtering now.


*These are local folders. I use a local Sent Mail folder and then
automatically copy messages to the server's Sent folder.


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Re: Version 3.0 storm

[Martin Webster on TBBETA]

 
Hello MaXxX,

On 31 August 2004, 21:38 +0200 (20:38 local time) MaXxX [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

M> I myself am just inches away from starting a counter-project, some
M> "freeBat" or something, under GPL, just to poke RITlabs' eyes out.

...and you could call it Mozilla Thunderbird or TB for short! ;-)


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