from:"MikeD \(2\)"

Re[2]: Is the beta group dead?

2008-03-12 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Mark,

Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 8:20:11 AM, you wrote:

MP> Hello MikeD,


MP> Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 12:49:17 PM, you wrote:

M2>> OK ... it has been quiet here for a while.  I didn't think much
M2>>   about that (it has happened before right after a big release), but
M2>>   I just got an email announcing 4.0.18 is available for download.

M2>>   So has the beta program died or is something else going on?

MP> And where have you been since the latest "big release"?  :-)

MP> CC-d to be "sure" this reply reaches you.

I got the CC, but apparently something is blocking the regular list
mailings :-/  I just checked and they are not sitting in my spam
folder ... guess I will have to do some digging.  Thanks for the reply
Mark.


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Is the beta group dead?

2008-03-12 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Tbbeta,

  OK ... it has been quiet here for a while.  I didn't think much
  about that (it has happened before right after a big release), but
  I just got an email announcing 4.0.18 is available for download.

  So has the beta program died or is something else going on?

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Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.7 ALPHA

2008-01-04 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Friday, January 4, 2008, 3:39:16 PM, you wrote:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4007.rar

MM> [-] When viewing a valid S/MIME signature, and it was singed by a
MM> certificate which was issued by an intermediary CA that was stored
MM> in the user's account, viewing this certificate did show "root not found" 
error.
MM> [-] (#0006332) %SETEDITOR from account properties works for AB template.
MM> [-] clicking ShowURLManager AV 
MM> [-] (#0006605) Vista : flickering progressbar in Connection centre dialog

so far so good.  But then I have not been having any problems with
earlier alphas 

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Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.5 ALPHA

2007-12-31 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:41:28 PM, you wrote:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4005.rar

up and running.  Do far so good.

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Re: 4.0.0.4 ALPHA

2007-12-28 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Thursday, December 27, 2007, 2:35:26 PM, you wrote:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4004.rar

MM> [*] The Bat! is now protected from patches.
MM> [-] Certificate import have caused AV (Beta issue)
MM> [-] Fixed a minor bug in folder compression.


Seems to be fine here ... (assuming this ends up making it to the list



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Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.2 ALPHA

2007-12-24 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Saturday, December 22, 2007, 8:45:43 AM, you wrote:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tba4002.rar

so far so good

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Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-13 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Mark,

Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 2:54:38 PM, you wrote:

MP> Hello MikeD,

MP> Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote:

M2>> Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like 
M2>> I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks
M2>> "wrong".  Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and
M2>> something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what
M2>> you were using to display 

MP> Or, I wasn't accurate enough describing the case, or you misunderstood me.
MP> I'm talking about an html message with inline graphics, not a message with
MP> links to graphics on a remote server. If you "click on the 'html icon' on
MP> the left side attachment list" in such a case, besides the text, you get
MP> nothing but little "red crosses".

It was me not 'getting' your point, I think.

Mostly because I haven't see a difference. Maybe I have just been
lucky, but I never had something that didn't render correctly when I
'opened' the html version ... so I never really looked closely enough
to see if the graphics were local or linked in from a site.

MP> If you receive a message in which "inline" and "remote" graphics (or text)
MP> are combined, you won't be able to see the "total" correct message in TB!.

H ... is that in the preview or when you actually open it?  As I
said above, I have not run into one that didn't render correctly when
I clicked on the HTML attachment and I really don't worry too much
about what it looks like in the preview ... as long as I can tell who
it is from and what is likely in it.

MP> It's not often that one receives such a message, but it happens, and those
MP> can be "genuine" (I mean written/sent without "evil" intentions) messages.

MP> Some people seem to specialise in such a "style"...

Right ... we all know what we want   And in the hopes that tptb at
Rit are listening ... fwiw, I have been accused of being a polyanna
 ... I have tried to voice my preferences and the reasons
behind them.  That does not mean that someone else's view isn't just
as valid.  Of course I =hope= that they will end up with things that I
like, but when they don't  I will evaluate and continue with the
current version or move to the new one ... depending on my
evaluations.

I just didn't want folks to think that I was trying to say that their
pet feature was wrong of should not be considered just because I don't
happen to think it helps make TB better ... or something like that



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Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Mark,

Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 8:14:06 AM, you wrote:

MP> Hello MikeD,

MP> Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote:

M2>> OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side
M2>> attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by
M2>> Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion?

MP> Now, do that with an html-message in which the graphics are sent along with
MP> the message.

MP> Does it look as intended by the sender?

Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like 
I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks
"wrong".  Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and
something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what
you were using to display 

MP> What if, f.i., you wanted to make a pdf of such a message?

Never came up ... but I would have the same problem if I wanted to
save any 'web page' as a pdf.  I suppose I would just open up Open
Office, paste the doc in there and save it 

And I should point out that saving in PDF format is not typically
something one thinks of as an integral part of an HTML editor ... at
least it isn't a feature that I worry about.  If I am working with
HTML, I want a web page out of it not a PDF.  I would use a publisher
type package for that.

Maybe I am just too much of a dinosaur from decades of using Unix and
Linux  I like software to be really good at one thing and not
bloated up, slowed down and obscured with a ton of features that more
properly belongs in some other program.


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Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Thomas,

Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:50:49 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Jens,

TF> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jens Franik wrote:

JF>> I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting.

TF> This won't happen. HTML view will always be an option, with plaintext
TF> preffered by many.

JF>> Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be
JF>> displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the
JF>> Internet for this.

TF> Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible
TF> now.

TF> Another wish (this seems to have gotten lost while the thread
TF> progressed) is a real HTML editor, for those who want to use it. I
TF> have situations in the office were I need to reply to HTML mail in
TF> HTML, keeping the format (tables or colours), and maybe add some
TF> pictures in the middle. I am ridiculed in the office because my email
TF> client can't do what is standard on many others.

I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and
the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully
functional HTML editor ... especially when there are plenty of them
available already.

When I have to include HTML, I use the HTML editor I already own, have
installed and already **know how to use efficiently** to develop the
content, then cut & paste that into TB.

OK ... I have stated my case and will stop now 

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Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Gunivortus,

Monday, December 10, 2007, 9:23:40 AM, you wrote:

GG> Hi Thomas,

>> Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with*
>> pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a
>> myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs?

GG> From the beginning of its first release, IM was better in
GG> HTML displaying as those you're mentioning; so I bought it
GG> and use it since then for my e-zines, etc, asking from time
GG> to time for adding full html display in TB.
GG> I never ever used Eudora or Outlook, nor did and do I plan that.
GG> So I can't agree they're better or not than IM. I don't bother.
GG> I just want TB doing it all, one emailclient should be sufficient
GG>  if it can all I need.
GG> And there's a lot others asked, that I don't need;
GG> No backupfunction, (I make my images), no RSS, no IMAP, no
GG> calendar, no Linuxversion (ack!).

OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side
attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by
Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion?

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Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Martin,

Monday, December 10, 2007, 3:40:57 AM, you wrote:

MS> Hello Sebastian,

MS> Friday, October 12, 2007, 8:39:05 PM, you wrote:

>> What normal user expect is:
>> 1. HTML templates
>> 2. HTML pictures

MS> Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable
MS> without showing the pcitures.

And that drives me nuts   I am quite happy with the text only
view as the default and hope that does not go away ... at least as an
option!

>> 3. Account like in OE (example: one  Incoming  folder for couple Accounts)

MS> No go. If it is optional I don't mind. But that is one of the reasons
MS> I never would use Outlook as mail client for more than one account. I
MS> simply need the separation of the incoming accounts.

MS> If you really do want that then make a gerneric incoming folder and
MS> define a filtering rule.

You can have either 'action' with either system.  A single "in box"
folder is easy enough to set up in TB.  But it is almost as easy to do
the opposite with IE (and just about any other client that has filters
)

>> 4. Improved backup and folder/message maintenance (.bin files problems)
>> 5. RSS native support

MS> Would be nice to have. Also like newsgroups. But let's focus on the
MS> main task of The Bat: mails... ;)

Right.  I am distressed at the tendency of programs to keep growing
and expanding into 'swiss army programs'.  While, in a pinch, it might
be nice to have a single emergency tool that will do everything, the
never have been able to make one that does everything as well as the
specific tools.  I want a mail client that is the best mail client
possible.  I don't want to compromize that so that it can get messages
from a news reader ... I already have a great newsreader that does a
great job of working with news groups ... which is different than
getting email in many small ways that makes a combined tool less than
optimum in both instances.

>> 6. better IMAP
>> 7. better calendar and exchange support

MS> At least a calendering feature that supports WEBDAV or similar
MS> protocols. That also would make it possible to use ZIMBRA as
MS> mailserver.

Again, keep the calendar function in the calendar program and not in
my mail client (see above rant )  I already have one that works
well enough!!

>> 8. Linux version

MS> Would be nice too, but I think when The Bat runs via Wine it also is
MS> fine, isn't it?

That =might= be a nice additional bullet point some day.  I think it
should be a low priority item ... at least for now.

>> 9. ldap v3 with TLS/SSL

MS> More important is that you would have the choice even to override
MS> invalid protocols (in case one is expired or something like that).

>> What I expect:
>> 1. Bugfixes

MS> Of course.

Not many bugs that need fixing in what I use.  And the more 'new
features' you add, the more bugs you will create.

>> 2. News and RSS native support

MS> Would be very nice.

As stated above, please don't invest any time in this.  Lets stay
focused on the reason for TB, email

>> 3. HTML tamplates and pictures

MS> At least the pictures are a MUST.

As long as I can preview in text and open the HTML if desired (that is
what it does now ... and mostly without problem, for me anyway)

>> 4. PocketPC version with synchronization

MS> As I don't have a pocketPC version... However this feature isn't as
MS> important as it looks like. When you have an IMAP functionality then
MS> it is enough for the mails. However there should be a possibility to
MS> synchronise Calendar and Contacts.

MS> But I don't think that this is a task for the mail client. This better
MS> is implemented on the mailserver (e.g. synchronisation with Active
MS> Sync over the air).

And as soon as you say "Pocket PC", you need to include "Palm" in the
mix as well.  There are more Palm based devices out there than Pocket
PC ... at least that was the case the last time I looked at the
numbers.

>> 5. Mouse gestures

MS> Well, I do like them but I never missed them in The Bat...

 Mostly I don't find those particularly useful.  But as long as
they don't get in the way of using TB ... 

>> 6.  ACAP  implementation  for  auto-choose  best  secure connection to
>> server

MS> Nice to have. But I also didn't miss that yet...

I agree that it =might= be nice for folks when they are 'on the move'
with a laptop.  Mostly I have not had need of it, however, and so
would not give it a high priority.

But that is just me.  My needs are fairly simple and that is what I
want, something simple and focused that does the best possible job
possible on the one task I need it to do, work with my email.  It is
damned close to that now for me.  So as long as we don't mess with
that success, I am willing to take a look and the new ideas 

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Re: 3.99.29

2007-11-01 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 11:09:28 AM, you wrote:

MM> 3.99.29 is the same as 3.99.27.2, but wrapped in the MSI.

MM> It only fixes the plugin api bug of 3.99.27. The IntPack has left unchanged.

Plugins working fine here too.

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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.99.27.2 fixed Plug-In for me

2007-10-30 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Martin,

Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 2:33:37 PM, you wrote:

MS> Hi MikeD

MS> On Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:28:58 PM you wrote:

>> Well, good news! OK ... so I had to wait a while to get enough mail
>> for this thing to have something to 'chew on', but this version seems
>> to have fixed the problem I was having with Agava anti-spam. It seems
>> to be happily filtering spam again 

MS> Where is 3.99.27.2 ?


I found this link in a previous message:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb399272.rar

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The Bat! 3.99.27.2 fixed Plug-In for me

2007-10-30 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

Well, good news! OK ... so I had to wait a while to get enough mail
for this thing to have something to 'chew on', but this version seems
to have fixed the problem I was having with Agava anti-spam. It seems
to be happily filtering spam again 

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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.99.27 without ASLR

2007-10-28 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello rmorris.r,

Saturday, October 27, 2007, 10:14:52 AM, you wrote:

rr> Hello Maxim,

rr> After rebooting my computer=my spam filter stopped working.

I thought it was just me.  I have noticed the same thing.


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Re[7]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-17 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Paul,

Monday, October 15, 2007, 8:46:02 AM, you wrote:

PVN> 10/15/2007  8:31 AM

PVN> Hi MikeD,

PVN> On 10/15/2007 MikeD (2) wrote:

M2>> very attractive to the geek community.  They picked up in it early.
M2>> When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had
M2>> gotten 'clobbered' by some 'problem' in IE, they would tell them to
M2>> use this here program.

PVN> Hmm... Opera was around waay before Firefox and is waay more secure. A
PVN> quick check at Secunia will confirm this. As I recall
PVN> Firebird/Firefox started as a way to get rid of Netscape bloat and
PVN> then morphed into the "secure" replacement for IE. If you want a safe
PVN> browser get it here: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ See its security
PVN> history here: http://secunia.com/product/15549/?task=advisories

At that time, however, Opera did not work well with many sites.  There
are still a lot of sites where Opera does not render correctly.  That
is what has kept Opera as an 'also ran', unfortunate as that might be.

M2>> I cannot use TB for MSN now
M2>> that MS has changed the authentication (yet again ).

PVN> What a wonderful opportunity to move to a more positive email host!
PVN> 8-]}

I still (possibly because of familiarity) prefer TB over the
alternatives.  OE is still 'brain dead', Thunderbird is not as useful
to me (I use that on a company box since I can't have personal email
there).  I am still confident that eventually TB will catch up with
MSN and their new authentication 'scheme' 


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Re[5]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Gleason,

Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:59:25 PM, you wrote:

GP> I remember a techie friend in the early days of Firebird saying that
GP> it was superior because it introduced tabs.  He didn't seem to think
GP> that Netscape had tabs.  Never heard of Opera.  So what was the
GP> secret?  How did Moz get noticed?

The thing about FF was that it offered improvements over IE in the
areas of functionality, but more importantly, security.  That made it
very attractive to the geek community.  They picked up in it early.
When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had
gotten 'clobbered' by some 'problem' in IE, they would tell them to
use this here program.  Then the tech journals picked up on it ... and
then the main stream press got wind ... etc.

I don't know that the same tactic will work here. For one thing, there
are a lot of mail clients out there. When FF came out there were just
a couple out there. Look at all the mail clients and some of them are
quite functional. The other problem is that the 'benefits' are not as
'clear' in this situation. For example, I cannot use TB for MSN now
that MS has changed the authentication (yet again ).

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Re[4]: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message

2007-08-30 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Paul,

Thursday, August 30, 2007, 1:38:24 PM, you wrote:

PVN> 8/30/2007  1:35 PM

PVN> Hi MikeD,

PVN> On 8/30/2007 MikeD (2) wrote:

M2>> Well I guess I spoke too soon.  After I sent that message and moved
M2>> around a bit I am back to getting the Out of Memory error and then the
M2>> AV is back.  Just rebooted and not having a problem.  I will spend
M2>> some time gathering info about this to see if I can narrow it down
M2>> some.

PVN> It seems to be an available RAM or swap file issue. Depending on what
PVN> is going on it is even possible that it is a video chip issue. Task
PVN> Manager [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[Esc] might shed some light on the issue.

I'll certainly be using that as I try to zero in on the specific steps
needed to cause the problem.

But I should point out that I never had any 'memory' or 'AV' issues
with any of the '.99' builds before this one. And even if this is a
non-TB 'system problem' with my system with running out of resources
... I have no quarrel with the 'Out of RAM' message (if that is
indeed happening).  But I should not get an AV .


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Re[2]: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message

2007-08-30 Thread MikeD (2)

M2> Hello Volker,

M2> Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:17:31 AM, you wrote:

VA>> ·---·-Date---·
VA>> | Q&A  [1] | 2007-08-30 |
VA>> ·---··

VA>> Hello, folks!

VA>> While creating a new message I hit the shortcut for "Mark as Junk" by
VA>> mistake and got the following AV:

VA>> ---
VA>> The Bat!
VA>> ---
VA>> Access violation at address 0091ACF9 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of 
address .
VA>> ---
VA>> OK   
VA>> ---

VA>> Confirmations?

M2> I am getting something like that ... but only on folders with a large
M2> number of messages (happens with one with just over 200 messages, but
M2> not on one with just over 50 ... don't have anything in between at the
M2> moment).

M2> I first get an "out of memory" message. On the folder with ~200
M2> messages it can show the list of messages, but not show the selected
M2> message in the preview. On a folder with over 3000 I do not even get
M2> the message list.  Anything I do after that ... move the message
M2> pointer, move to another folder, etc. ... generates the AV.

M2> Unfortunately that only happened the first time I ran TB after the
M2> install.  After I shut it down and restarted it, the behavior has been
M2> normal.  I wonder if it could just have been a problem with 'debris'
M2> from the install?  Or perhaps the 'folder clean-up' at close fixed the
M2> problem   Can't tell now since it seems to be working fine now
M2> 

Well I guess I spoke too soon.  After I sent that message and moved
around a bit I am back to getting the Out of Memory error and then the
AV is back.  Just rebooted and not having a problem.  I will spend
some time gathering info about this to see if I can narrow it down
some.

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Re: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message

2007-08-30 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Volker,

Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:17:31 AM, you wrote:

VA> ·---·-Date---·
VA> | Q&A  [1] | 2007-08-30 |
VA> ·---··

VA> Hello, folks!

VA> While creating a new message I hit the shortcut for "Mark as Junk" by
VA> mistake and got the following AV:

VA> ---
VA> The Bat!
VA> ---
VA> Access violation at address 0091ACF9 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of 
address .
VA> ---
VA> OK   
VA> ---

VA> Confirmations?

I am getting something like that ... but only on folders with a large
number of messages (happens with one with just over 200 messages, but
not on one with just over 50 ... don't have anything in between at the
moment).

I first get an "out of memory" message. On the folder with ~200
messages it can show the list of messages, but not show the selected
message in the preview. On a folder with over 3000 I do not even get
the message list.  Anything I do after that ... move the message
pointer, move to another folder, etc. ... generates the AV.

Unfortunately that only happened the first time I ran TB after the
install.  After I shut it down and restarted it, the behavior has been
normal.  I wonder if it could just have been a problem with 'debris'
from the install?  Or perhaps the 'folder clean-up' at close fixed the
problem   Can't tell now since it seems to be working fine now



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Re: Thanks

2007-08-13 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello 9Val,

Hope you have great success at your new job.  It has been great
working with you here.

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Re[2]: 3.99.7

2007-05-24 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Roger,

Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 7:36:06 AM, you wrote:

RP> Hello Maxim,

RP> Friday, May 18, 2007, 6:32:09 PM, among other things, you wrote:

MM>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39907.rar

RP>  Installing  this  version resulted in all of my filter trees being 
partially
RP>  destroyed.  Has anyone else had this problem?

RP>  I  have  got  things  back  to  normal  by  using the very tedious 'Restore
RP>  filters'  feature.  Putting the 'Orphan filters' of all categories into one
RP>  single  list  is not very user friendly; surely the orphans could at least
RP>  be categorised as 'incoming', 'outgoing' etc?

FWIW, Mine came through OK ... but mine are pretty simple.



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Re[2]: 3.99.6

2007-05-10 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Martin,

Thursday, May 10, 2007, 11:41:43 AM, you wrote:

MS> Hi Maxim

MS> On Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:37:40 PM you wrote:


>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/file3/the_bat/beta/tbb39906.rar

MS> I think it should be

MS> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39906.rar


I would agree since yours worked Martin and Maxim's gave a 404 

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Re: 3.99 MSI

2007-04-20 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Friday, April 20, 2007, 12:38:04 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> Could you please test 3.99 MSIs:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-1.msi 
MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-1.msi 
MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_3-99-1.msi 
(Russian MSI)

So far ... so good 



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Re: 3.98.15: Memory usage

2007-04-19 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Vili,

Thursday, April 19, 2007, 9:01:44 AM, you wrote:

V> I had TB running all night, auto check at 5 min on 1 MAPI account.
V> Original 16 MB mem/12 MB VM went up to 30/40 MB.

V> Not good...

Well I noticed that when I first start up, TB uses little mem between
15 and 20 meg. Once I have gotten mail the first time it goes up a bit
to between 30 and 35 meg. But it stays there pretty much from then on.
Of course I have not had it running for more than a few hours so far
  But I have done several gets and a few sends as well and while it
might go up a few meg *during* the get, it drops back down to that
30-35 meg range as soon as the connection is done.

FWIW, TB, even at the 30-35 size, is still using less mem than FF with
one tab/window open or MS word, so I don't find that number out of
hand or anything (although if it was smaller that would certainly be
better )


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Re: The Bat! 3.98.14

2007-04-18 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 5:46:24 AM, you wrote:

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39814.rar

MM> [-] Mail chat problem with national characters
MM> [-] Memory leak when a new message was stored into a folder (beta .12 issue)

Do far so good   I watched and it seems to be releasing all it's
memory during the DL process now.  Thanks. But I will be keeping an
eye on it for a while, just the same 

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Re[2]: Freezing of TB with dialog asking login/passw when IMAP account with more tasks is used?

2007-04-17 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello all,

Here is a bit more detail on the memory problem.  Based on how I
see the memory disappearing, it seems to be more problematical at
message download.  It *seems* as if it is allocating mem for each
message as it is retrieved but not releasing it properly once the
message is written onto the HD.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Mighty memory leak?

2007-04-17 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Michal,

Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 12:11:25 AM, you wrote:

MP> I thought Firefox would be the ultimate memory-eater, but it seems
MP> like The Bat! 3.98.12 beats all :)

MP> The screenshot shows Bat's memory usage on my computer after a couple
MP> of hours running. First column is Mem Usage, second is VM Size. Yes,
MP> that is well over 900MB :)

Yup, I had to dig out task manager to track down who was causing the
'Out of Virtual Memory' warning and it was TB.


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Re: 3.96.08 (BETA)

2007-02-16 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Friday, February 16, 2007, 12:26:22 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> [-] The AV on exit issue?

MM>   http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39608.rar

Well to be honest, I was not having a 'repeatable' enough problem to
tell easily.  For the last couple of updates I have been able to start
and stop with out problems.  It was only after running for some amount
of time that I would have an AV when I closed.  The longer / more work
I did the more likely it would be.  I only had one crash on 3.96.07.

So far so good with this one too 



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Re: The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) is now available

2007-02-06 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello 9Val,

Monday, February 5, 2007, 5:38:02 PM, you wrote:

9> Hello , 

9> The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) is now available from:
9> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

9> Here is a short list of changes:
9> [-] AVs on exit


It seems to have 'fixed' the 'error' at close that I was having with
3.96.01.  Since it did not cause any real problems, I didn't worry too
much about it at the time 

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Re[2]: bayesit.msi

2006-12-27 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Gunivortus,

Wednesday, December 27, 2006, 7:08:02 AM, you wrote:


GG> Quite awhile ago, a new version of AGAVA was announced here.
GG> I asked several times, directly through their webpage, about
GG> it, never got any answer.

GG> Two times I needed and asked for support, neither got any
GG> answer too on my emails.

GG> So, at least towards me, the support of AGAVA is awful bad.
GG> That's why I'm thinking of stepping over to another
GG> antispam tool.

I have not needed support ... yet, so cannot comment on it. Sorry you
didn't have a good experience with them ... since it means that my
posterior may be 'flapping in the wind' if I ever need support :-/

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Re[2]: bayesit.msi

2006-12-27 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Bob,

Tuesday, December 26, 2006, 1:39:36 PM, you wrote:

BR> My question has to do with the spam filtering plugin - I have started
BR> to use the free version of Spam Sniper for TB.  I have not used
BR> BayesIt.  Does one of you long time TB users have reasons for or
BR> against using either of those two plugins?

I used BayesIt for a long time.  On the plus side, BayesIt was the only
filter I used that never gave me a false positive, something that I
weigh pretty highly.  But, as someone else mentioned, it takes a lot
of mail to train it (I used to keep a couple thousand spam and ham
messages around for those time when I had to retrain it )  My other
complaint was that it tended to 'get lost' as to what was spam over
time and I would have to dump the training base and re-train (hence
the large training sample )

It worked ... OK for me, but I have moved on to Agava's anti-spam for
TB. TB is more stable with it installed and it learns pretty quickly.
But it is not free. But it is pretty affordable, less than $20 when I
last looked.

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Re[2]: 3.95.03

2006-12-22 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Marek,

Friday, December 22, 2006, 2:58:41 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello all,
MM> Friday, December 22, 2006, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> installed without problem, running OK now.

Same here!

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Re: 3.95.03

2006-12-22 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Friday, December 22, 2006, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> [-] (#0006134) "Access violation message" under Windows 2000 and
MM> below when connecting to dotted-decimal IP addresses.
MM> [-] Bug with permanent main form activation under Win9x
MM> Please note that this version is not yet fully compatible with Win9x.

MM> 
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-03-christmas.msi
MM> 
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-03-christmas.msi



FWIW, this one is DLing just fine   I'll have it installed in just
a bit.

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Re: 3.95.02

2006-12-22 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Thursday, December 21, 2006, 3:12:34 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> 3.95.02 is available at
MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb39502.rar

MM> [+] Server information: you can unpack the "ServersInfo" folder
MM> with *.dsi files to the same folder with thebat.exe, and, when you
MM> will be creating a new account, you will be offered default
MM> settings. Please try this feature.
MM> [-] Fixed wrapping in the splash screen
MM> [-] Invalid national characters in the message dispatcher.
MM> [-] National characters were invalid in the connection manager's log.
MM> [-] (#0006133) OpenPGP Key Manager always caused an Access
MM> Violation. It is not possible to administrate the Keys.
MM>   

Well, what ever was causing a problem with the MSI giving me a 404, it
did not affect this DL 

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Re[2]: error 404

2006-12-20 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello MAU,

Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 7:39:22 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello MikeD,

>> I am still getting 404 :-

M> Keep reading till you get to  from
M> Maxim :)


Yeah, I found that one later and replied to it as well   Still
no joy.  Not sure why.  This is the first time I have had a DL problem
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Re: error 404

2006-12-20 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 3:03:10 PM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> the following URLs should work:
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-01.msi
MM> if you had previously downloaded these MSIs, please uninstall
MM> them and install the new files.  


I am still getting 404 :-/


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Re[2]: thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi & thebat_home_3-95-01.msi

2006-12-20 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 1:00:23 PM, you wrote:

PM> Hi Maxim,

PM> on  Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:40:59 +0200GMT (19.12.2006, 18:40 +0100GMT here),
PM> you wrote:

MM>> Could you please test 
MM>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi
MM>> and 
MM>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-01.msi
MM>> which are based on 3.86.11?

PM> I'm sorry, but I'm getting a 404.

I am getting 404 as well on both Home (the one I *do* have) and the
pro links 


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Re[2]: ASCII

2006-08-04 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Thursday, August 3, 2006, 5:22:29 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Hello Vili & everyone else,

ASK> on 03-Aug-2006 at 20:36 you (Vili) wrote:

>> ASCII goes upto 255, not?

ASK> I thought that ascii in the strict sense was only 7bit, not 8bit?

Both have standards. There is a '7 bit ASCII standard' and there is an
'8 bit ASCII standard' as well.

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Re: Bayesit! Confusion

2006-07-13 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Bill,

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 2:52:23 PM, you wrote:

BM> Hello TB Users and Beta Lists,

BM> I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good
BM> success on my laptop.  About two months ago, my laptop
BM> developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's
BM> desktop (XP Pro SP2).

BM> I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
BM> catch nothing :-(

BM> Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a
BM> bit confused.  From my log file:

BM> C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\spamdict.bye
BM> C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\nspamdict.bye
BM> Spam frequency dictionary:
BM> Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
BM> Non-spam frequency dictionary:
BM> Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
BM> Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode...
BM> No current recalculation session. Silent exiting...

BM> There is, of course, no such "bayesitbase" subdirectory.
BM> Looking at the Bayesit! configuration (under Basic filter's
BM> options), I noticed that I had browsed to
BM> "c:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit" for the working directory.
BM> When I manually added the trailing backslash, the log file
BM> showed me that it could now find both spamdict.bye and
BM> nspamdict.bye.

BM> That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not
BM> found any spam (I guess training is just starting now).

BM> However, looking at the Information page is see:

BM> Spam frequency dictionary:
BM> C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\spamdict.bye
BM> Size: 1386 letters.
BM> Capacity: 81940 words.
BM> Non-spam frequency dictionary:
BM> C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\nspamdict.bye
BM> Size: 13135 letters.
BM> Capacity: 649383 words.
BM> Current active dictionary:
BM> Currently active dictionary contains 155617 words.
BM> Status: OK

BM> Please notice the '\\' in those filenames.

BM> Anyone else seeing these problems?

BM> I am currently running the most recent announced beta,
BM> although I do not believe this is a beta issue - so I am
BM> including both mailing lists.

It has been a while since I used Bayesit, but IIRC, you go into
Options, Preferences.  Select Anti-Spam, highlight bayesit in the
window and select properties.  I think that is where you can tell it
where to put it's data files.  You should be able to delete the extra
slash there.  Then you want to be sure that the directory exists and
see if you can find the default files that need to be there ... I
don't remember if there is one or two that has to be there, but it
will recreate the dictionary and such if they do not exist.  But it
will not create a directory.

Sorry, that is all I remember.

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Re: Bayes plugin?

2006-03-03 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Matt,

Friday, March 3, 2006, 12:09:55 PM, you wrote:

MT> I am drawing a complete blank. What is the name of the Bayes plugin for
MT> TB and what is the url? I'm of course looking for a plugin that will
MT> work with 3.71.03.

There are at least three. BayesIt is, I think available at Rit labs.
There is Bayes Filter that some like better than BayesIt. I believe
that both of those are free. I am currently using AGAVA anti spam. It
is not free but works better than either of the free ones and at only
$12 for the Bat plugin, is pretty near free 

http://www.antispamservant.com/


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Re[2]: Strangeness w/ replies using 2 accounts

2006-02-10 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Thursday, February 9, 2006, 4:32:20 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Hello MikeD (2) & everyone else,

ASK> I assume that the "top" level folders you are referring to are not Common
ASK> folders (maybe you care to explain what you mean exactly with "top" level
ASK> folders). In that case, the information to which *account* the originating
ASK> message was sent to is preserved.

Yes, sorry, I couldn't remember the correct term.  Common Folders.

ASK> I furthermore assume that you're *not* using the %ACCOUNT macro to set the
ASK> address, but simply the folder "identity". That only sets the email address
ASK> and name, but not the account to be used.

Ahhh!

ASK> If these assumptions are correct, the behaviour is correct. Maybe you
ASK> should create a reply template that uses %ACCOUNT="miked(2)", and
ASK> everything should be as you except it.

Thanks I will 'fix' my templates. 

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Strangeness w/ replies using 2 accounts

2006-02-10 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  I originally thought that this was something new, but checking find
  it goes back at least to 3.70.03 (the earliest version I still had
  around) and perhaps earlier. I didn't notice it until today when I
  went looking for one of my sent mails.

  I have two accounts, 'miked(1)' and 'miked(2)'  Most of the generic
  stuff uses miked(2) but miked(1) is the first one in the account
  list.

  What I noticed is that when I reply to a message that is in one of
  the respective "inbox" folders, everything works as expected.  The
  message copy shows up in the appropriate "Sent" box.

  However I noticed a "problem" when I reply to a message that has
  been 'filtered' to a "top" level folder.  Most of the folders have
  been set to use the miked(2) email address, and that is the address
  that is in the messages when I reply.  However, when I send them,
  they seem to be going through the miked(1) account even though they
  have the miked(2) address.  At least I find the copy in the "Sent"
  folder for the miked(1) account instead of the expected miked(2)
  "Sent" folder.

  Is this a known behavior?  Is it a bug or is it a
  limitation/feature?  It is certainly not a show stopper, but it does
  seem strange to me.

  TIA
  
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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.70.07 "Qigong" (Beta) is now available

2006-02-02 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Roelof,

Thursday, February 2, 2006, 9:49:56 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Miguel,

RO> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:40:56 +0100GMT (2-2-2006, 12:40 +0100, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

>>> The Bat! 3.70.07 "Qigong" (Beta) is now available from:
>>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

M>> I am not sure exactly when or how it happened but after a TB re-start I
M>> found I had lost all my customisations. No big problem because I keep
M>> several backup copies of my tbuser.def file.

RO> Can't confirm.
RO> Though currently my only customization is 'No toolbars'

I do not have many customizations either, just a few key assignments,
but they 'stuck' going from .06 to .07. However they were 'lost'
during another update ... I think it was .03 to .06, but it might have
been an earlier update.

Miguel, was yours a .06 to .07 or did you come from an earlier
version?

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Re[2]: Fwd: Strange "send" behavior (ver 3.63.09)

2005-12-12 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello MAU & Mary,

Thanks for the confirmation.  I have been somewhat busy with end of
year and so have not been able to keep up as well as I would like.

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Fwd: Strange "send" behavior (ver 3.63.09)

2005-12-12 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  I just managed to get around to installing the .09 version and
  noticed this strangeness when I send a message (reply or new mail).

  I get the 'pop-up' message asking to save a copy of the message when
  I click send.  This is the same dialog I see when I click to close a
  message without sending it. The message *is* sent ... and in fact will
  finish sending without waiting for me to select a response in the
  dialog box.

  1.) if this is already reported, sorry.  I didn't see it in a quick
  review by subject.

  2.) is anyone else seeing this?  If so, is this an expected
  behavior (i.e. a feature)?  If so, can it be disabled?

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Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.

2005-11-29 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Monday, November 28, 2005, 12:52:11 PM, you wrote:

ASK> When I think about it, it could be related to this bug:
ASK> 

Yes, that seems to pretty well cover what is happening.  Thanks.  I
have confirmed there and will be watching that bug now.

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Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.

2005-11-28 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Monday, November 28, 2005, 12:52:11 PM, you wrote:

ASK> When I think about it, it could be related to this bug:
ASK> 

I'll check that out in a bit (probably tomorrow now) ...

ASK> The bug is about the folder templates NOT working when using the new
ASK> message function. Now, if you are on a folder that has a folder template,
ASK> and that folder happens to be a common folder with no "identity" set, it
ASK> could be that you run into this very problem. I should try that myself
ASK> before philosophising about this any further. :-)

Thanks, I will experiment and see what I can figure out.

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Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.

2005-11-28 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Monday, November 28, 2005, 11:28:28 AM, you wrote:

ASK> Sorry Mike, I can not confirm any of the above (tried with the mailto link
ASK> in your signature, a test message should arrive any minute). Do you have a
ASK> screwed up folder template in place maybe?

Well I thought about that, but wouldn't that also mess up replies?
They work fine.  Also, can a template change the order of the buttons?

If it is just me, I may try un-installing and then re-installing when
I have some time.

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Re: Cannot send from mail created from email link.

2005-11-28 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello TBBETA,

If I click on an embedded 'mail to' link in a message I get strange
behavior. First I do not get the 'from' address filled in as I would
if I clicked to reply to the message that has the link or if I started
a new message from that folder. Secondly the "send the message" and
"Put message in outbox" icons are swapped in the upper left of the
message window.

Then I select a from address and composed the message as normal. No
problems there. But when I click either the send or save buttons,
nothing happens. I do get the appropriate "pop-up" confirmation button
box, but the message is not sent or put in the outbox. I cannot do
anything with the message except to cancel it.

I took a quick look and did not see any other messages that *seemed*
to be addressing this issue, but I did not read everything so I
apologize if I missed this problem from someone else.

This has just started happening within the last few updates. I am not
sure of the exact time, but I know it worked correctly early in the
3.62 series.

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Re[6]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should

2005-10-07 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello rmorris,

Friday, October 7, 2005, 2:32:47 PM, you wrote:

rrgc> Hello MikeD,
rrgc> Get Agava=it works!!!

That's a new one, I'll e looking it over.  I'll let you all know what
I decide/find.

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Re[2]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should (was: SPA*M)

2005-10-05 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Alexander,

Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 4:08:15 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Hello Wolffe & everyone else,

ASK> on 04-Okt-2005 at 22:45 you (Wolffe) wrote:

>> Is there anyway one can reverse the overtraining?

ASK> Just an idea.

ASK> You could keep the most recent spam mails, 30 days or so, reset the bayesit
ASK> database and then train it anew with the spam mails you kept for spam and
ASK> your sent mail folder for ham.


You beat me to that.  It is something that I started doing when I
started beta testing and was having to retrain BayesIt when things did
not go well   I have kept doing that every month or two.  Maybe
that is why I have not been having as much touble as others.  Also,
something that is seldom mentioned, be sure to have penty of 'Ham' for
your training as well.  Just feeding it spam will make it think
everything is spam.  You want at least as much ham as spam when you
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Re[6]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should

2005-10-04 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Paul,

Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 6:41:17 AM, you wrote:

PVN> 10/4/2005  7:39 AM

PVN> Hi MikeD,

PVN> On 10/4/2005 MikeD (2) wrote:

M2>> It is not a problem of port 25 being blocked. It is a different
M2>> authentication methode. Since you have TB, look at the authentication
M2>> methods. You will see one that is specific to microsoft software
M2>> called "NLM". It is a different authentication than anyone else uses
M2>>   TB is the only 3rd party client that I ever found that
M2>> supports it.  But I did stop looking once I found it 

PVN> Understood. I was attempting to rescue you from MSN and save you money
PVN> while gaining flexibility to do what you want instead of being told
PVN> what you can't do.


Ahhh ... but you see I still get MSN as a perk from when I did beta
work for them  Besides, how could give up such a great address
that I have had for over 10 years! 

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Re[4]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should

2005-10-04 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Paul,

Monday, October 3, 2005, 4:50:58 PM, you wrote:


PVN> Novocon at:
PVN> http://www.novocon.net/ndexspec.html?refid=findanisp.com&refsessid=3725643
PVN> offers access for $7.95/mo. and they do not block port 25.

It is not a problem of port 25 being blocked. It is a different
authentication methode. Since you have TB, look at the authentication
methods. You will see one that is specific to microsoft software
called "NLM". It is a different authentication than anyone else uses
  TB is the only 3rd party client that I ever found that
supports it.  But I did stop looking once I found it 

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Re[3]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should (was: SPA*M)

2005-10-03 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Stuart,

Monday, October 3, 2005, 2:34:52 PM, you wrote:


SC> I get too many false positives as it is I could not lower the
SC> threshold.

No, if you are getting false positives you need to make the threshold
number larger not smaller.

SC> I followed a lead someone else left to check to see if my
SC> ISP was adding a spam line. While this was not my problem I am now
SC> using it to send anything with a header x-smartermail-spam: to my Junk
SC> folder and will see if this works OK. So far so good.

SC> This is just a workaround though as only half my mail goes through
SC> this ISP and the other ISP don't provide this service.

Well talk to Peter and the other very satisfied proxy based anti-spams
like K9, Spam Assasin, etc.  They are quite happy with them.

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Re[2]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should

2005-10-03 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Peter,

Monday, October 3, 2005, 3:06:33 PM, you wrote:

PM> There is not much to deal with, once installed and set up for the
PM> accounts. :shrug:

Unfortunately I could never get proxies like K9 to connect to MSN's
servers. They use a  proprietary authentication (imagine that MS
being proprietary :-/ ) method that is not widely supported (but TB
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Re: BayesIt doesn't work as it should (was: SPA*M)

2005-10-03 Thread MikeD (2)

Hi Stuart,

on Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:39:26 -0500GMT, you wrote:

>> I guess this is really to the creators of BayesIt and Bayes Filter,
>> but what the heck is going on here. I have two computers, one
>> running BayesIT and the other Bayes Filter and I have had to quit
>> using them both as they are now starting to classify more good
>> e-mail as bad than it actually catches spam.

Have you tried adjusting your 'threshold'?  I have been using BayesIt
and have not had that problem.  I almost never have false positives.
But between 20 and 30% of the spam doesn't get filtered.  Just adjust
the threshold up a bit each time you get a false positive and that
should solve the problem ... but you will end up letting more spam
through.  But for me, it is less of a problem to deal with the little
bit of spam tht gets trhough than it is to have to deal with a proxy
like K9.  But others feel that K9 (or other proxy) is worth the
hassel.  YMMV

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more 3.61.04 buglettes

2005-09-16 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  None of these are show stoppers but it is frustrating that some of
  these are bugs that were fixed in an earlier version and are now
  back ... again 

  The problem of Ctrl-A Delete (and other commands) not working unless
  one of the messages is selected is back.

  The micro-Ed problem not reformatting an HTML message that is
  converted to plain text using Options/Message Format is still
  present too.

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Re[4]: The Bat! 3.61.04 BETA

2005-09-14 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Maxim,

OK ... I still have the 'weirdnesss' in the folder list window and I
think I have it nailed down as to how to 'trigger' it now.

expand enough folders so that your list exceeds one window and the
scroll bars appear.  Scroll down the list so that the top of the list
is off the screen.  Now collapse enough folders so that the list is no
longer bigger than one window, but leave the top of the list off the
top of the window.  At this point you still have the scroll bar along
the right side of the folder window.  Click anywhere on the scroll bar
and it will vanish and the top of the folder list will still be off
the top of the window (Often it will scroll most of the list off the
top of the window).  You now have to use keyboard commands to get the
top of the list back down into the window.

I am curious to know if anyone else is able to duplicate this ... or
is it just me?

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Re[2]: 3.61.03 nits still around

2005-09-07 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Greg,

Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 12:52:55 PM, you wrote:

GS> If you'd like to confirm in the BT, please do so at
GS> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5080.

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3.61.03 nits still around

2005-09-07 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  The folder list scroll bar still misbehaves occasionally,
  disappearing even while much of the folder list is up off the top of
  the window.  FWIW, it has never done this while the folder list was
  scrolled off the bottom of the window.  But I don't know if that is
  just because I have not done ... well what ever it is that triggers
  this or it does not happen in that situation.  More if I discover
  it.

  Next, there is still a problem with formatting ... re-wrapping lines
  in particular ... when I select to reply to an HTML message and then
  use the Options/Message Format to select plain text - micro ed.
  However if I delete the HTML from the source message and then reply,
  it works fine.  Most of the times this is not a problem, but some
  times I want to keep the HTML message intact yet send a plain text
  reply.

  Finally ... when scrolling between windows there is a problem.  This
  is probably related to a similar problem from an earlier version.
  If no message is loaded, then everything works as expected.  Tab
  will cycle between the folder list and message list (and find window
  if that is open), no surprises.  However, if a message is displayed
  in the preview window, there is an extra stop for the tab cycle.  It
  *seems* to be the header for the previewed message.  The "lost" tab
  stop is not visible.  It is after the message preview window and
  before the folder list window.  There is no indication where the
  focus is, **BUT** if I use the arrow keys while this "lost" window
  has focus, then the cursor and highlight appears in the previewed
  message's header area.  Once that happens, I cannot "tab" out of
  that place and have to use the mouse to click to another window.

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Re[2]: BayesIt plugin, establishing internet connection at startup

2005-09-05 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Marek,

Monday, September 5, 2005, 3:31:35 PM, you wrote:

>>> I have been using Beyesit since 2.something and this has never
>>> happened to me.  TB does not try to connect until I tell it to.  Sorry
>>> I am no help.

>> BayesIt is not jet arrived at Number 0.9 How have you been able to use
>> it in Version 2 ???

>> Or do you use BayesFilter?

MM> as I thought, he meant since The Bat! V2.

Yup, that is what I meant.  Sorry for the confusion.


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Re: BayesIt plugin, establishing internet connection at startup

2005-09-05 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Vili,

Monday, September 5, 2005, 7:51:46 AM, you wrote:

V> (No,  Check  mails  at  startup,  no regular mail check is set, it was
V> traced back to the plugin.)

I have been using Beyesit since 2.something and this has never
happened to me.  TB does not try to connect until I tell it to.  Sorry
I am no help.

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Re: Select all and delet bug is back

2005-09-02 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello MikeD,

Friday, September 2, 2005, 3:43:37 PM, you wrote:

M2>   It looks like the folder window scroll bar weirdness has been
M2>   addressed, but an old bugaboo is back, thanks for that one 

Well I spoke too soon on that one   That little nit is still
there too, sorry.

Just to refresh ...

If, in the folder window, I expand folder trees until they exceed the
length of the window, the scroll bar is displayed (as expected). If I
move the mouse over the scroll bar and click on the "raised" portion
that represents the visible part of the window on the scroll bar, then
... some times ... the scroll bar vanishes while most of the folder
tree is up beyond the top of the window.

I have not figured out exactly what triggers this yet. I hope to have
more details after it happens a few more times.

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Select all and delet bug is back

2005-09-02 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  Well two steps forward and one step back 

  It looks like the folder window scroll bar weirdness has been
  addressed, but an old bugaboo is back, thanks for that one 

  Go to a message list window, hit Crtl-A to select all messages
  without having a message selected (the preview window shows "no
  message selected").  All messages are "highlighted" but delete does
  not delete the selected messages.  As soon as any message is
  selected, Ctrl-A / Del will work fine.

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3.60.06 mostly good news

2005-08-31 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  All my previous little nits have been picked as far as I can tell.
  The only thing that I have noticed is a tendency for the scroll bar
  on the folder window to 'disappear' occasionally.

  Now this is not the same as the scroll bar going away when all the
  folders fit in the window.  This happens when I have enough folders
  'exploded' to bring the scroll bar into play.  I am not sure exactly
  what I am doing to cause this, but it seems to be when I am
  scrolling the window up.  I will end up with Most of the folders up
  off the top of the window, but the scroll bar is hidden.  The only
  way to get the list back in the window is to highlight a visible
  folder and then use the arrow keys to move the highlight back up the
  list.  The whole list will eventually scroll back into the visible
  part of the window.

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Re[2]: Bayesit help

2005-08-31 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Goos,

Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 12:54:56 PM, you wrote:

G>>> Are there blacklists available?

M2>> Black and white lists are now available for it.

G> Where are they for download?

Clearly I needed to give you more info. The black or white lists are
there for you to enter sites you want. My white list would not be of
much use to you, for example 

G>>> Got already enough SPAM, but the learning process
G>>> didn't start.

M2>> You have to explicitly select messages and tell it
M2>> what they are using the Specials/'mark as junk' and
M2>> 'mark as not junk' functions

G> You're sure? Should I really every day over 200 times
G> open a message (if I'm not sure) and if it's SPAM, goto
G> 'Specials' and choose 'mark as JUNK? and then delete the
G> messagep...

You only have to train it once to get it started. Otherwise it doesn't
know what is good and what is bad. After that, only the messages that
are misclasified have to be explicitly processed that way. Also, when
you mark something as spam, it is moved to the spam folder, so you
don't have do do that extra step.

From what I hear from other users here, there are anti-spam programs
that work better than Beysit. I just don't want the added headaches
and overhead from running a proxy server process which is how the
programs like K9, SpamCop, etc. work.

But while it may not be perfect, Beyesit works well enough for me.

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Re: Bayesit help

2005-08-31 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Goos,

Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 11:02:26 AM, you wrote:

G> Hi,

G> wanna experiment with Bayesit again
G> Got some questions.
G> Is my old database from 2003 usable?

I would bet not.  I would suggest that you re-train it using current
ham & spam.

G> Is there any help file?

Nt really (yet )

G> Are there blacklists available?

Black and white lists are now available for it.

G> Got already enough SPAM, but the learning process
G> didn't start.

You have to explicitly select messages and tell it what they are using
the Specials/'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' functions to tell
it how to treat the selected messages.  It will use that data to
process incoming mail.  If it "guesses" incorrectly with incoming, you
then use the same two options to "correct" it.

HTH, let me know if you have further questions.



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Re: 3.60.05 Micro-Ed problem after Message Format change too

2005-08-26 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello MikeD,

Friday, August 26, 2005, 11:14:19 AM, you wrote:

M2> Hello tbbeta,

M2>   I have not seen this mentioned ... but I have just been skimming the
M2>   messages since I am a bit busy at the moment ... so if this is a
M2>   duplication, sorry.

M2>   I noticed that if I replay to an HTML message, it now defaults to
M2>   opening an HTML reply.  I am sure I can turn that off, that is not
M2>   the problem ... just an observation.

M2>   The problem occurs when I then go to "Option" menu and select "Plain
M2>   text Micro-Ed" from the Format list in the reply window.

M2>   The message changes to plain text with all the correct quoting and
M2>   such ... and it *seems* to be the Micro-Ed (not windows) editor as I
M2>   would expect. But some functions don't work. The most blatant (and
M2>   the one I have tested the most) is Alt-L to re-wrap lines which does
M2>   not function.  It seems to do nothing.

M2>   On the other hand, using the same original message, if I delete the
M2>   HTML portion of the message *before* I start the replay, it opens
M2>   the plain text Micro-Ed and Alt-L (and everything else as far as I
M2>   can tell) works just as I would expect.


Same behavior in .05

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3.60.03 Micro-Ed problem after Message Format change

2005-08-26 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello tbbeta,

  I have not seen this mentioned ... but I have just been skimming the
  messages since I am a bit busy at the moment ... so if this is a
  duplication, sorry.

  I noticed that if I replay to an HTML message, it now defaults to
  opening an HTML reply.  I am sure I can turn that off, that is not
  the problem ... just an observation.

  The problem occurs when I then go to "Option" menu and select "Plain
  text Micro-Ed" from the Format list in the reply window.

  The message changes to plain text with all the correct quoting and
  such ... and it *seems* to be the Micro-Ed (not windows) editor as I
  would expect. But some functions don't work. The most blatant (and
  the one I have tested the most) is Alt-L to re-wrap lines which does
  not function.  It seems to do nothing.

  On the other hand, using the same original message, if I delete the
  HTML portion of the message *before* I start the replay, it opens
  the plain text Micro-Ed and Alt-L (and everything else as far as I
  can tell) works just as I would expect.

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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available

2005-08-24 Thread MikeD (2)

Hello Simon,

Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 2:53:50 PM, you wrote:

9Val>> The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available from:
9Val>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

SF> Installed, running smoothly, continuing to test

Yup, same here (so far, so good).

FWIW, my actual memory usage is down about 10% with this one verses
3.60 ... but I have just fired it up. I'll see how that is after I
have run it for a day or so.


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